Episode 030 - Nick Taliadoros, Recapping Season 1

Join David and Nick as they reflect on the incredible stories and lessons from nearly 30 episodes of Adventure Habits. From rowing across oceans to mental resilience, discover the habits and mindsets that turn extreme adventures into life hacks.

Timestamps:
00:00 - Season overview and diverse guest stories

00:40 - The importance of having a "why" that fuels challenge

02:40 - Dawn Smith’s Atlantic rowing record and her positive outlook

04:07 - The reality of adventure and perseverance in extreme environments

05:05 - Capturing irreplaceable moments and the value of authenticity

06:12 - Life lessons from extreme expeditions and hardships

07:40 - The significance of maps, navigation, and mental clarity in adventure

09:17 - Diverse adventurers including military responders and youth mentors

10:43 - Personal habits: routine in pursuit of consistency and growth

13:39 - The necessity of breaking routine for adventure and excitement

15:42 - The importance of a meaningful "why" beyond superficial goals

16:41 - Embracing neurodiversity and mental health challenges as strengths

20:06 - How goals and "why" evolve through the journey

24:59 - Living fully in the moment and celebrating the present

25:29 - The value of mindfulness during high-stakes experiences

28:37 - The significance of being present in performance and everyday life

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:05

Hi and welcome to Adventure Habits with me, David Overton and Nick Telidoro, a man from behind the scenes, an essential part of the production team here at uh Splash Maps' Adventure Habits. And uh good morning to you, Nick. Good morning. How are you? Yeah, I'm really well, and I'm I'm really looking forward to actually um you know, going back. This is this is like an end point. This is the 30th of our Adventure Habits pods. Um it's it's been great working with you so far. And um I I I'm just blown away by what season we've had, you know, just that the people have been able to attract in.

SPEAKER_00 0:44

Yeah, it's been incredible. And I think for the team it's been uh fantastic to go and edit through a lot of the content and see so many people's different stories from what they've done. And uh I think with 29 different episodes, there's a great eclectic range of different stories of different people from different age ranges for different things they've done. So there's always an episode for somebody, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:08

Yeah, I mean, no kidding. We we've had from uh people we've had the retirement rebel uh right down to uh Tamara Amara, uh automotive and her her car thing, her bicycle car thing that she's going around the world on. Um so from entrepreneurs to mountain leaders and record breakers, and uh I just find find it astounding that these uh these people will um will spare the time for us. So uh yeah, what a great season. What a great season.

SPEAKER_00 1:38

She's 30. Wow, wow. It's um it is lucky that we've uh managed to get so many people who are so interesting to actually have time to then talk to us. That is that has got to be one of the big things.

SPEAKER_01 1:51

Yeah, and you know, some of them just come out of the uh come out of the woodwork. You know, that there's there's times where it's been a customer that's just said, Oh, I've got this this person that I sponsor. Uh, would you like to have them on adventure habits? Well, why? What have they done? And like, bloody hell, they did that. Well, you better on adventure habits. There'll be stuff to learn from that guy.

SPEAKER_00 2:15

Um I'm I'm not as clued up as you in terms of remembering names and things. So I I've got everyone on Spotify right now uh to have a little look at the people uh who we've talked to. So uh is there any who specifically stand out for you, David, in terms of like any stories that you can think just off the top of your head? I'm putting you on spot here. But is there anybody you can think of uh just randomly off the top of your head that you've enjoyed over the last 29 episodes?

SPEAKER_01 2:43

Well, it might be slightly to do with my goldfish type memory, but um, I think it was great to close the season out with Dawn Smith. Um, and she's the the world record breaker for the person who's rowed across the Atlantic the most times. She's rode across the Pacific as well. Um, so just to add that into the thing, um, but uh yeah, just an extraordinary person, tremendously positive. There's such a vibe of her for the whole uh of the session. And and she's she's that case, she's a case in point, you know, uh customer who's bought a map from us. His brother runs uh a charity that's that deals with PTSD. And um that that charity put her in contact uh with us, and you know, so she's so she's just another one of our um our great adventurers that are supporting people uh recovering or living with uh PTSD, uh which has been a real common thread. I mean, she stands out, uh she stands out mostly just because of her very positive aspect on stuff, but it was actually one thing that she said um which really drives home that adventure. And for me, it put me in that boat. And it is if you're rowing the Atlantic, it's not like rowing the rivers, you know, however remote those rivers might be, it's not like uh it's not like running with all of these things. So we've we've dealt with some great adventurers, you know, that the uh the longest ascent of Everest with Mitch Hutchcraft, for example. All of these people have got the options, they've got the team around them, they've got something that means uh I've had enough, I'm getting out of here. And she just that you don't have that option when you're rowing the Atlantic, you know, that that's it. You stop rowing, you're finished.

SPEAKER_00 4:37

Yeah, yeah, no, it is uh it's uh so I know a few of the guys who did the Talascale whiskey challenge, and um, I guess when you're multiple people on a on a boat rowing, it's hard enough, let alone doing it yourself. Um it's yeah, it's a pretty pretty amazing feat. And apparently, when you get out there after a certain amount of days without seeing civilization, you start hallucinating things out on the water. Um, but apparently the wildlife and the things that you see you just wouldn't expect, and it's some of those like sunrise mornings out on the ocean when it's still apparently uh things you can never ever forget. So I think that really goes into what I like about the Adventure Habits podcast, which is that it captures those moments that you cannot recreate with technology, you cannot recreate with well, I know I know it costs money to do things, but you can't just buy that moment. You have to either train for the moment, you have to go to a moment, you have to plan a moment, it's very, it's very human, it's very involved, and I think that's what um is so fantastic about the adventure habits is that you hear all these stories of people's moments, and it kind of maybe gives you inspiration to do it yourself, you know.

SPEAKER_01 5:50

Yeah, and I and I'm I'm really pleased that the format works. So these, you know, you get these adventurers, they've got they've got to think of five things that they're gonna leave you with, and every one of them is an absolute stormer, you know. But you're right, out of that adversity that they've experienced while doing these extraordinary things, um, you know, they're there's great advice for life. I I kind of think of them almost as they're they're adventure habits, right? That have been born in moments of hardship uh in a lot of cases. Um but they're life hacks. They're that it's how how do you cope with those things when they happen in your daily life? And um, I think it was Steve Till, who's the he was Team GB's one of Team GB's runners from the 1980s. Um and uh, you know, his his attitude was was very much that everything is an adventure, you know, and and so you can see how these adventure habits they work in the extremes, they go to work for you, you know, and how you sort out your daily work routine, for example, or or your workout routine, or whatever you're doing.

SPEAKER_00 7:05

I still think like even people like Mitch Utterback, he was uh definitely one of the people who, when we heard his stories, were it was incredibly interesting to hear from uh kind of a military perspective. Um even like well, this is it, like even adventuring doesn't have to obviously just mean just the vocational way of like traveling. I think that's actually one of the things that I'd say when we look at uh just segmenting segmenting quite nicely here. Uh, when we look at people who purchased the Splash Maps product and we're always looking for feedback. Uh so listen, if you're listening, give us feedback. Uh it's uh to try and obviously develop and continue. Yeah, there'll be a link somewhere. Um, but just we're always trying to develop and create a better product for a better experience of people, and a lot of uh any negative comments I usually find are people who actually just don't understand the the scale of adventure that these kind of maps go on in what they're doing, which is absolutely fine. Like if you're a novice to it, it's you know it's absolutely fine. But you have got people who are rowing, you know, the Atlantic, we've got people who are military, we've got people who go up mountains for a month at a time, and when all the batteries run out and you've got nothing else, the only thing that's gonna keep you directionally sane is a splash map. So um it is it is incredible that you've managed to get 29 different people. I know one of them was technically your co-founder Ian, but and I think one of the episodes I was.

SPEAKER_01 8:35

I mean, we we were scraping the barrel, really, weren't we? Having said that, he's uh he's living the dream in Manila.

SPEAKER_00 8:43

So uh he is yeah, he's the he's the core adventure you know traveller there. He's he's he's one in that book, but it is fantastic to see all the different people doing different things, and um just the scale, like I said, the scale and diversity of what they've done is fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 8:58

So and it and it's but it's people who do it as as routine, as a job, or you know, there's um Paul Taylor from React and and and their role in uh being kind of early responders to huge uh international disasters and and things of the routines that he has. Um and and Steve Late, who's who's uh you know, he he's on, ex-cuss, you know, he's a customer of ours, and he's uh a Duke of Edinburgh Awards um uh instructor. And I wanted to have him on because you know that's what a lot of uh kids could go through. And I think a lot of people who've got uh a lot of parents who've got kids that have gone through DV can see the difference that it makes. And it's lovely. He talks through that process of getting teenagers to go out somewhere and go and do something extraordinary, and they'll make out that they're hating it, and they do. And I I talk to uh to my son, and and you know, oh that was the hardest thing I've ever done. But you know that it's a life experience, and it's improved them, it's enriched them, and and he just gets off on that. And and for 30 years he's just been doing Duke of Edinburgh Awards uh and then you know, taking his his world out there to help more people adventure more often. And again, his philosophy is pretty much everything is adventure because adventure by its nature means you've embarked on something and you don't know what the outcome's gonna be. And isn't that just what happens every day when we wake up?

SPEAKER_00 10:36

Yeah, no, exactly. That's that's exactly it. So that's uh that's a good uh good transition there, David, into what are your five adventure habits. We've heard everybody else's. What are yours? So let's start with number one.

SPEAKER_01 10:48

Well, my mine kind of um is slightly juxtaposed in in a way, and they are based upon what I've I've learned from these, uh, from these adventures. And I hope I'm taking them into daily life, but um I so that you know one that really came through with Jamie Ramsay. Um, so he ran across uh the Americas. I mean, not just America, but started in Vancouver and ran down to Buenos Aires. Um, yeah, a lot of pairs of shoes. Um he uh his his thing is all about routine, you know. You you run and he's pushing a three-wheeler as as as he runs. He's running a marathon distance pretty much every day. He has to stop, he has to put a tent up, get get the uh get the stove going, start eating. During the day, he's had to buy stuff to to get things going. You can't carry it all with you, obviously. Um and so for him, routine. Absolutely, it has to be routine. Those routines have to have to be in place. And for a lot of people, that's that's the way you do it as well. And it it's it is kind of that that mentality. I've arrived, I need to prepare for this evening, I need to be prepared for tomorrow morning, I need to make a quick getaway, I can't waste time doing this stuff, and it's cutting that procrastination out of life. Uh I think that's a real take-home message from from the adventurers that that I've got, you know. So the routine can apply to you know, doing cold calls or warm calls to people, or or it could be um you know, whatever your daily children.

SPEAKER_00 12:29

I think the routine one is a fantastic uh first adventure habit purely because it's so I don't know, every single person sh will benefit from a routine of some form. I'm not talking like the super extremes of get up at 5am and you know the the ice bath guys, and you've got the people who like get in the gym and do an hour workout before you do anything else. And I'm not I'm not necessarily talking about that, but even you isn't it, mate. Not absolutely not, I'm not an ice bath guy. I go to the gym, 100% go to the gym, but not I'm not the ice bath guy. Um and I don't go in the morning, and there's no way I I did it before of getting up at 6 a.m. is it's not for me. I I definitely train better later in the eveningslash night. Um, probably because of my touring years. That's probably why, because I'm just used to being active at that time. Um, but I just think everybody can benefit from it, especially all the way down to like what time you go to bed, making sure you go to bed at the same time every night, make sure you wake up at the same time every morning, make sure you either you either are a breakfast person or you're not a breakfast person, I'm a black coffee person. That's that's me. But just any form of routine will always help you, and I think that's fantastic. And the procrastination one, you're not wrong, it you know, it keeps it away.

SPEAKER_01 13:41

Yeah, my my my I'm gonna have to disagree with you though, Nick, because my uh my habit number two is to break routine. Um so it has to be be dynamic.

SPEAKER_00 13:53

Well, this is it. Like, I I think you're being you're being as um you're being as hypocritical as the stoics. So in one hand you're saying routine's gonna incredibly help your life, but in the other hand, you're like, but don't stick to routine too much, like because you know that's not human, and you've got to be dynamic to things that come your way. So how can't why is your why is your second one break routine?

SPEAKER_01 14:15

Uh well it's it's because you know it's too easy to to fall into the routine. Once you've got the routine set up, um, it will lead you so it will lead you so far. But you can only stay on a level if everything becomes a routine. And and let's face it, the enjoyment of life isn't there. Where's the adventure in routine? Um, surely adventure is about breaking that routine, about not knowing routine is all about um doing your best to take the bumps out of life. Um then adventure is all about putting those bumps back in again. Yeah, so maybe the the routines that you get mean that you can jolly along uh better with the extra bumps that you're putting in your life. And the deliberate bumps are you you know, or why not go and plan to climb Kilimanjari, or why not go and uh go and and row the Atlantic? Why not go and cycle across Africa or something like that? You know, it it they're they're the things that um they're the things that make life interesting.

SPEAKER_00 15:21

And and you know, you can't Well, you need routine one though, you need your adventure habit one to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_01 15:27

Uh yes, yeah. I I think what we've got here is a Russian doll of of habits that's emerged out of this um this very scientific study we've done.

SPEAKER_00 15:39

What's so what what would your third Russian doll be in your five habits and your five Russian dolls?

SPEAKER_01 15:44

Well, it it's actually um it does come from from the latest one. Like I say, I've got a memory like a goldfish, but um with uh with uh Dawn Smith, it was about um having a why. And she was very strong that you know people come to her. So she's a big rowing coach, you could imagine that she she would be. Um and uh she has people that come to her from far and wide before they go and have a go at uh rowing across the Atlantic. Um and she always asks them why are you doing this? And a lot of them will say, Well, I'm raising money for guide dogs for the blind, or I'm doing this, that, or the other. And she'll absolutely drill into no why are you doing it? And and this is something that's come up from all the all the other adventurers as well. It's your why has to be deeper than that. You're not raising money for blind for guide dogs for the blind. There's something that's led you to want to row the Atlantic, which when you think about it, is a pretty impossible thing to do, uh and it brings in all kinds of dangers and uncertainties, and um, it's not, you know, for many of us, it's not something we'd want in our lives.

SPEAKER_00 17:01

Yeah, I also think uh the knowing your why is super important, and I know exactly why she'll be asking people that it's because if you're about to go on a perilous journey where it's quite literally life-threatening, when it gets to the like the part where your body's kind of giving in on you and you're you're you're mentally tired, and if you're mentally tired, you make bad choices. When you know your why, you won't give up. And I think that's something that people don't live with uh at the front of their mind every day. And you can you can relate this, I can relate this now to business. I could relate it when I was touring in a band and it got hard to the chip on my shoulder. Like I could you can relate everything you're doing to a why, and I think it's like it's why people fall off with habits that are meant to be good for them, but it's because they don't associate the why with something that's actually truly deep and internal, and I think that's why you've got like a just just from what I see in my perspective uh of business adventures is you've got a lot of young business entrepreneurs cut up and coming, which I think is fantastic, but they're not grinding out those early years that really shape you as a person and develop you into being somebody who is successful because they're so financially driven that they only care about making money, which you don't make, as you well know, in when you're starting your own business for years, like you you really it is really running a business. I've always but this is it, like we we are like and we're doing well and we're we're spreading the word, but just running a business is just taking just punches in the face every day, and then out of nowhere you might get a right hook, and one day you might dodge the punch and you go, that was a really good win, and then as you've gone, that's a really good win, something else just punches you in the face again. And I don't think uh if you know your why, you can deal with it and you can keep going, and it is fantastic, it's a beautiful journey, it's a great uh highs and lows, it teaches you everything you need to know about yourself, it really exposes you in that way. You have to know your why to keep going. And I think, like a lot of people, when they go into anything, not just business, if they know their why really deep down, they really know themselves, they know what they they're doing something for, they will see it out in in the hardest of times.

SPEAKER_01 19:14

Yeah. Uh which is which is why it's really difficult that my fourth habit is to um oh here we go. Don't have a why. Well, just I mean that it I'm yeah, well, I'm being I'm I'm trying to make a juxtaposition here, of course.

SPEAKER_00 19:30

Yeah, I can see that.

SPEAKER_01 19:31

Um but don't don't have a why, because uh you know, you've just said it for your business, and you've said the example of all the you know the young entrepreneurs that you see as well. That it is true that the first motivation is right. Well, this time next year, Rodney, we're gonna be millionaires. Um and so isn't that a motivation? You know, why am I doing this to become a millionaire? Well, no, it it's it's not, but my my sense is, and I'm holding on to this one. Okay, okay. My sense is that the why is something that unfolds with time. And I kind of I can see that with um I'll go back to Jamie Ramsey's one. So Jamie uh had a uh, you know, he he was raising money by running across the Americas um for uh uh charities for um men's mental health and suicide charities as extraordinary um levels of of young males uh committing suicide. So um he was doing that, but it it wasn't something that he had personal experience of, and it wasn't something that he had uh you know a direct connection with. No, for him, it was much more something he picked up along the way. He was learning about himself as he went along that journey. And it when you read his book, you can see this realization dawning on him as as he goes from country to country, interaction to interaction, weird experience to weird experience, is he he basically got comfortable with himself. And um, a lot of the adventurers that we deal with, and another another one, Mitch Hutchcraft, they've they're all uh there's a lot of uh neurodiversity amongst adventurers. Um, as as well as we've talked about PTSD already, as as well as you know, things that have happened from the external world and impacted impacted their mental health. There's people that are born with these conditions. Um and uh Jamie Jamie is not comfortable in people's company and social situations, etc. He loved being uh on his own and he he's now learned to embrace that uh through that uh through that travel and he continues that in life. He's doing the most extraordinary adventures. With Mitch Hutchcraft from an early stage, he was he was fairly fairly well aware of his condition and treats it as a superpower. And and how else would you do the longest ascent of Everest, you know, if he didn't have a superpower? So these people are kind of I'd say with with with those guys, and you know, to an extent, the most of us in life won't know why we're here in the first instance. So you develop that why, but the trick is to look out for the signs as you go along. And with Jamie in his run, that caused it.

SPEAKER_00 22:28

Is that developing a why? I'm gonna bring this back to you. Is that developing a why, or is that changing your why, which is completely acceptable? Because, like, so I'll I'll give you an example, right? So he obviously started to well, I'll use his one, he started on his run because his why was in that moment uh to do this for you know suicide and so on and so forth, like I'm raising awareness and I'm raising charity and all this sort of stuff. That's that is my core why, it's really deep to me. I want to do this, but as he's doing it and he's changing as a person because something that physical is going to change you, you get to the end and your why might still be that, but you might have a different North Star because you're almost getting through the completion level. So as you're completing it, your brain, and there's a person who people who do that always strive for greatness, so they're always trying to progress in life. So the why has to shift like shift to like I was that 16-year-old who wanted to drum on stage in front of thousands of people. That was all I wanted to do. I was convinced that my entire life was gonna be predicated around drumming in front of thousands of people, right? That was it. It was very super, it's a very superficial thing if I really think about it. Like it's uh it's very selfish, like, but as I was doing it more, the music that we were creating, and I was getting stories of people coming to me and saying, you know, like your music helped me through X, Y, and Z Dark Time, or I'd post a lot of motivational stuff on my socials a couple of years ago, and I'd have kids like message me and say, Look, I've you know, I've had a horrendous day, this actually really helped me, and then my why became helping people, and I built six point as a result of going, Well, actually, I think I can help more creatives by creating a different atmosphere for work. So, like, my why was always I want to drive in front of thousands of people and to prove people wrong because I had a little man syndrome at the time, um, and now it's shifted, so but the you know, I th I think I think that's what it is. It's not necessarily that we don't have a why, or like not necessarily lean into not having a why, but I think it'd be okay with change as you grow.

SPEAKER_01 24:32

Ah, well, you see, I think that's inevitable into the to into the fifth um into the fifth habit that I've got here because I I I would say, well, yeah, okay, so I can lean into that a bit with um you know the changing in why. And and I think the chain change in why does happen, you know. Yeah, I'm I'm at a transitional stage, my kids have have suddenly grown up. All of a sudden, it's quite a surprise to me. And uh suddenly this new phase of life, and your why changes again. Um, you know, I think you've got to so my fifth one is, and it's common to absolutely all of the adventurers that we've spoken to. So all 29, I'm pretty sure, including Ian and yourself, um it's about being in the moment, you know. You get one crack at this, um, and every moment is special, every breath is is a privilege. And uh, you know, you you just have to uh love the process and and run with it. Uh so just enjoy the process, you know, enjoy actually make a note that you're enjoying the process, and that's uh that's about um you know celebrating the the little wins as well as the big wins, even if it's something that comes in every year routine, this time of year, this happens. Um thanks to thanks to you guys at six point. We went viral on the weekend. I'm celebrating, you know. That's that is a big thing. That's that's a great thing. Um and uh yeah, that the responses coming back are are broadly positive. I did get accused this morning of looking like Kevin Spacey though. I don't know, don't really know how I'm gonna take that one, but you know, that's you get goods and you get bads.

SPEAKER_00 26:19

Yeah, I was gonna say it swings and roundabouts for sure. Um but nah 100%. I think the the take the moment in and like be present is so huge because life is so intense that you naturally kind of just go into either your fight or flight mode sometimes, or you're just running the motions, you are in your routine, you're out of your routine, you know what your wire is, so you're driving for it, or sometimes you're in the middle of change, so it's sticky. So all of these come together to that one moment, which is just be just be present. And um, I remember like my my one story just to round that off is I remember when I was touring, we were playing at the time to thousands of people in Europe, and there was a stretch of shows where we were playing thousand cap venues, and they were almost all of them were sold out, and we were head we were headlining as well. So, but every night I wasn't I wasn't worried about or I wasn't thinking about like oh I've got I've got the emojis up on my screen. I wasn't thinking about um like what the the crowd or like the whole superficial thing of being on stage, I was worried about playing perfectly so that people in the crowd didn't think oh he's bad, but they also enjoyed the show to the maximum capabilities. So I was I was so performance-led in what I was doing, um, which meant that I was like I was I'd get off stage and I'd I couldn't tell you what happened during the set because when you're I think you're so drilled in focused, and I think these adventurers go in doing these massive adventures. If you're so drilled in and focused on what you're doing, you forget. Like there's a lot of shows that I don't remember that happened. The ones that I do remember happen is because halfway through the set, I just I learned there was like a one-minute uh interval where like music was playing, and every show on that run, this is why I remember that run so well. I would take my in-air out, let it dangle, and I'd just sit back, I'd put my sticks on the kit, I'd look back, and I'd look out for the crowd, and they'd all be singing in that part to the rest of the band. So I just sat and just looked around, and I like I think that's how I I I look I'm present in the moment is I I look and I like look at the shapes of things around me, and I really take it in that's taking and just build the memory, you know. Um, and they're some of the best shows I can remember because I literally took my headphone out, listened, smelt the air, like just looked at all the different shapes, and I was like, wow, that was incredible. We'll put my inner back in, and that's it, you straight back into it.

SPEAKER_01 28:44

So um isn't it isn't it Keith Richards that says he couldn't remember any of the 1970s, but that might have been for a slightly different reason.

SPEAKER_00 28:50

Yeah, that's I was gonna say different reason for that. I wasn't that guy, I was I was clean bean the whole way through. Like I didn't uh yeah, I wasn't one of those. I've met plenty of bands who were, and uh I I do know what I have almost more respect for how they played so well whilst so so influenced. I don't I'm a bit like I don't know how you do that. That's yeah, I've never I've never been down that route. So but yeah, I think his was different, slightly different. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:18

I mean, that there's I mean, and there's so many routines that have come out to you know to help you with that from the last series. Uh I remember Liz Dernstein's uh the the uh lady that ran the Appalachian Trail, the fastest that any human being's ever done it. Um and her thing, her routine was you know, it it was to take in the surrounds, but it's also to engage with the environment. And for her, it's to be in a wide open space and yell something visceral. You just whatever's I remember that one, yeah. And and um, and that that kind of reminds me, you know, that because that's what happens in the crowd, isn't it? The crowd of people watching you play is they're then yelling back whatever has been uh whatever's come at them. Uh that's beautiful 100%. So there you go. You've condense, you don't have to see any of the other adventurers at all. But yeah, please don't.

SPEAKER_00 30:15

If anything, that's I was gonna say that's that's giving people like a bookmark of like ones to start with, and then go and watch the rest of them. But it's been a fantastic season one, David. You've you've killed it.

SPEAKER_01 30:23

Well, thank you very much. Thank you very much, and and thank you very much for putting it all together for me. And uh it it's been a great pleasure, and and we're looking forward in the future that we've got uh Nick Goldsmith lined up, so it's gonna be more bushcrafting, more PTSD, more stories from the Royal Marines. That just as a as a headlight, there's a lot of Royal Marines and uh ex-service people um in the back catalogue uh now, as well as you know, people like you, dear listener. Uh, anyone can go out and have an adventure, go outside the door now and go and uh claim yours.

SPEAKER_00 31:03

Sounds good.

SPEAKER_01 31:04

Okay, do you reckon that's a good place to I think we're good.

SPEAKER_00 31:08

I think the listeners have heard enough of my voice, and uh yeah, we'll uh we'll see them in season two.

SPEAKER_01 31:14

Okay, on to season two. Subscribe below.