98 MPH And A Murder Charge: The Crash That Shocked Everyone

A car rockets into a brick building at nearly 98 miles per hour, two young men die, and the only survivor becomes the center of a debate that won’t quit: accident, reckless impulse, or intentional murder? We talk through Netflix’s The Crash with full spoiler energy, because the details matter here. The black box data, the missing brake tap, the shifting into neutral and back into drive, the relationship history, and the way the story is edited all push you to form an opinion, then second-guess it five minutes later. 

We also compare what Netflix shows versus what we learned by watching Hulu’s Mean Girl Murders and Killer Cases. That extra context raises big questions about intent, planning, and prior threats, but it also highlights a truth about true crime documentaries: the cut you watch can shape the “truth” you think you’re seeing. Along the way, we get into the messy parts people argue about online, including parenting choices, drug use, the POTS claim, and why the legal defense left us stunned. 

Then we pivot to Hulu’s The Nightmare Upstairs: What Happened to Ty and Bryn, a custody nightmare where allegations, therapy influence, and social media attention collide. It’s heartbreaking, infuriating, and weirdly familiar in a world where TikTok can pour gasoline on family conflict. We’re not here to sensationalize pain; we’re here to process it like real moms with real anxiety, trying to make sense of how quickly life can go off the rails. 

If you’ve watched either story, tell us where you land: psychiatric treatment or prison, and why? Subscribe, share this with a friend who loves a good deep dive, and leave a review so more overwhelmed moms can find us.

Transcript

Welcome To Anxiety Ridden Moms Club

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You're listening to the Anxiety Ridden Moms Club, the podcast for moms who love their kids deeply and still feel anxious, exhausted, and overstimulated. Here, we talk about the messy stuff, the thoughts we don't say out loud, the pressure to do it all, and the journey back to ourselves. Progress over perfection always. Let's go. Welcome back to the Anxiety Ridden Moms Club. How are you, my friend? Oh, I'm good. I'm good. I'm excited for today because we've had a couple of really good episodes of uh some shows that you had me watch that I think are for great discussion. I'm excited. I'm excited. Me too. So should we say spoiler alert? Yes. Or prepare people. Yes. So we'll set the

Why The Crash Is Everywhere

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set the scene. No, I was actually, I was on a walk with my mom a couple weeks ago, and she's like, oh my gosh, have you seen the crash on Netflix? And I just don't know what to think and goes into it. And I think probably for the first time in my life, I was like, What are you talking about? Because normally I And bringing it to her, I'm sure. Yeah. Or like a sibling will talk about it in a group, you know, like the family chat and be like, hey, what is everybody watching? Whatever. But this time she was like, What do you think? And then, you know, you know how the people in our phones listen to us because then shit started pop popping up on social media, and I was like, Okay, okay, I I get I have to watch it. So today we're gonna talk about a Netflix show called The Crash. Do you wanna do you wanna tell him what it's about? It's about a crazy ass girl. I think she was 17. Yeah. She um I don't even know. To me, I'm just so like, I don't even know what you would say about this show. To me, it's it's such a it's all about a toxic relationship, that's my personal opinion. It's about a toxic relationship that really turned horrible into a crash. Into a crash. So it's a 17-year-old girl.

The 98 MPH Wreck Breakdown

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She this whole it there's so many levels of like messed up to it though. So it's a 17-year-old girl who drives her car, like her and her boyfriend and a friend are at a party, a couple of parties now, and that they'll deny that's not really a party. It's more of like their typical sleepover that they regularly have. And and first off, anybody who has not watched it, if you don't want to hear all about it, obviously stop now, go watch it, get back on. But so we don't ruin anything. But ultimately, it's that uh her friend had said it was just a sleepover. They do this all the time. It's just a smaller group of friends and they get together and they smoke pot and hang out and chill and nothing, nothing overly exciting. Pretty much. Nothing overly exciting. So it was early in the morning, very early in the morning, and she drives her car um like 90 miles an hour into the side of a brick building. I think it was 97, almost 98 miles per hour. 98 miles per hour. You know, I don't pay that close close attention to the details. It was crazy. And and on the and then you listen to it go, who like there's just flying by somebody's house, and you hear it on the camera, and then the big old crash. And that's where the whole debate comes in. That's where the whole debate comes in. Yeah. So a motorcycle is then passing by, and I think it's like an hour after after the crash, um, and calls the police and notifies them. And the girl, and I feel like it's important to note too that McKinsey, so her name is McKinsey Kinsey, um was found like laying over like the passenger seat. And I don't, I obviously I don't know if that's a result of the crash or whatever, but then her boyfriend, Dom, and his their friend Damien, who was in the backseat, was actually towards the front of the car also. But um, Dom and Damien both passed away in the crash. And so Kinse was then lifelighted out to the hospital. Um, and the show picks up. I mean, this car is just absolutely freaking destroyed. I mean, a hundred miles an hour into the side of a yeah. It's a brick. It's crazy. It's crazy. Right. Just straight into it. Straight, yeah. There were no hitting the brakes, nothing of the sort. Um, so it's, I guess, a miracle, if you will, that she survived at all. Um, but the two boys, and I think one was 19 and one was 20, but they both passed away. And she was air flighted out. Um, and this whole thing was just it it then picks up like of her mom and dad in the emergency room. And the police are like, yeah, the people that were with her, yeah, they died, but like, didn't like it was the most awkward. Yeah, it was very odd. It was it was odd. And then when the mom was asking questions, they were kind of stirring. I don't know, the whole conversation around even telling them um the situation at hand at the hospital with the kids was strange. It was very strange. It was so strange. So from I guess everyone's perspective, like the community's perspective, like they were mourning the loss of two boys and like rallying around Kinsey because you know, she was in this horrific car crash, she lost her boyfriend. Um, and then more and more starts to come to light, and they start questioning if this was an accident.

Toxic Relationship Or Planned Violence

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And so, Gina, you mentioned like part of like you feel like it was just a toxic relationship. I think it was a toxic relationship all in all. I don't, I feel like there was it was just on both. I think that they just had they fed off of the toxicity. I think a lot of people get in relationships like this, especially when you're young. I think you hear about it even more often. But um, you know, one minute they could be screaming at each other, but then the next minute you'll hear from their friends that they're the most loving, just so drawn to each other kind of couple, you know, just so in love. And then you hear more about how they basically are cussing each other out on text messages, yelling and threatening each other in person. And then all of a sudden again, it turns right back to, oh my god, I love you so much. It is full of toxicity. For sure. And they do put a lot of that blame on her, but I personally can tell you, I, in my personal opinion, it was a two-way street. I think they've they've both brought their toxic behaviors to it. And they and maybe it's just that they're just that way together. It's just their dynamic together was that way. And I don't think that that may, and I don't mean it in a manner that they're bad people. I just think that you have two people who have a, they just together have a toxic relationship for sure. So they friends start coming forward um and showing like life 360, and they start like putting some of the pieces of the puzzle together. They pull the quote unquote like black box out of the car, and they find out that um the the she never hit the brakes. Right. Um, and I I kind of get some of my details confused because I started to go down a rabbit hole with this, and things started showing up on social media after I watched it. Because when I got through the Netflix, like the Netflix series, I was almost like dumbfounded. Like, what? Like, so she gets arrested for murder, she goes to jail, and I was just like, What? Like, what is I just I don't feel like like I didn't have this urge that like she's so freaking guilt. Like I had a lot of freaking questions, but I wasn't like this was a toxic relationship, she was guilty, like this bitch is crazy. I was left more with like this girl needs an institution. Yeah, I okay, see so for me, I don't I don't feel like she intended I I can't I'm really torn because since we don't obviously we don't have the the two boys to to speak to say anything. I was very torn as to was she truly with intent that her idea was I'm going to drive this fast and drive it right into this building. Like is that was her total plan? Like that's up for debate to some degree, obviously. But they do say that the um that somebody had shifted and the it into neutral and then went back into drive, and then the car was shifted again into neutral and then shifted back into drive, which would kind of tell you that there was some people saying, Stop what you're doing, you crazy ass. You need to stop. And she was obviously trying to scare him. That's obvious. I mean, because they show her driving at a normal speed prior, and then all of a sudden she's going almost 98 miles an hour. So, and then somebody's shifting the gears back and forth, which just would make you assume that somebody put it, she's not doing it. I mean, she can put her foot on the brake, so she's not shifting it into neutral. She might put it back and drive, but she's not shifting it into neutral. So I just I wondered because the relationship just seemed where it was very um toxic, that I just wonder if it was more of a scare tactic than it was truly like, oh no, we're all gonna die today. Because one, the the guy in the back is completely an innocent person and has nothing to do with the situation whatsoever. So it's just like I don't know. It I I really wish we had a situation where we knew what the what they were arguing about, or was there an argument that's what led to this, which is kind of what you would assume with their history. But um, yeah, I I don't, I just can't I just I just sit and think like, like, did she want to die that day too? Like I because otherwise that would be the only way you would drive 98 miles an hour straight into a wall and think that I mean you're just gonna walk away. I mean, I don't know.

What Hulu Docs Add To The Story

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So in my deep dive, I I feel like I feel like Netflix, and even at the end, they interview her. Um but in my deep dive of this situation, there are actually two other documentaries on this very same crash. Okay. Um, one is on, or they're both actually on Hulu. One is Hulu Investigation Discovery, and it's called Mean Girl Murders. And it's season two, episode seven. So season two, episode seven of Mean Girl Murders on Hulu. And then there's another one on Hulu called Killer Cases, and it's season four, episode twelve. So I watched both of these, and I feel like she definitely got a different edit in those. So more things came to light. Like she had driven this path before, and this wasn't a path that like it was off-route. And that night you can tell, like, they're driving, going home or whatever, and she specifically turns like on this industrial park, this industrial drive, that she's drove the route before. For what purpose? Does it lead to something? Right? No. Okay. So planning-for some unknown reason, she's driving this. Yes. Yes. Okay. Um and they also, and that's where I get them all confused. Like, I don't know which is included in what, but like um, that he part of their arguments before is that she was gonna crash the car. There were previous times where he had called his mom, pulled over on the side of the road because she was grabbing the driving, like she was drive grabbing the steering wheel, or she had made other threats about um crashing the car. And so the others, I feel like the other, they definitely started to build on the intent side of it, like where she was like planning this out, and this was something that she had talked about before. Like, if you're not gonna be with me, you're not gonna be with anyone else. Which they did say on the Netflix one that she has she kind of was like that there had been some of that. Cause even remember, there's at one point there's a text message where she said that he did that to her, was grabbing the steering wheel and was causing troubles too. It's just chaos. Yes, just chaos. And I mean, honestly, like even if let me know, I I guess I just look like this. If your son was in a relationship and was calling you about this girl, he's with why would you keep getting in a car with her? Like, why wouldn't you be sitting there saying, Hello, there's big problems here? You know what I'm saying? It's like that's why I just say I think it was toxic on both ends to some degree. She may be much more of the aggressor, but why would you continue to be with a girl who's constantly wanting to tell you she's gonna run your car off the road?

Parenting Choices Drugs And POTS Claims

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Well, and let's like talk about the parents for a second because she's 17, Dom was 20, she lived with him. She was still in high school because she was so mature. That's what they talked about. She was just like such a great kid and so mature, and I'm like, no 17-year-old should be doing that. And then I also thought, Dom has an awful lot of money. It was dealing with drugs. Right. You don't question that as a parent. I want my 17-year-old daughter to live with her product of this. Yeah. Her problem is. That was a big thing why she wanted to be with him. I mean, that's that's pretty obvious. She liked me with him for because he has this money. But then it made me really have a bad taste in my mouth for the parents because I'm like, there is no way in hell. First off, my daughter's 17. It's like her going now to go live with some guy, like, uh, no, you're this 17-year-old kid. But on top of it, if this guy makes all this money, and I know these people are not so stupid to not know where he's getting it from. So at the end of the day, that's should be a huge concern that that's a good thing. Well, her dad was living definitely a hippie because he was like, Well, you know, everybody smokes pot, whatever. She had mushrooms, like she had shrooms on her, but they didn't find them like in her blood. Like they I think uh, you know, the TikToks that she made and different things, like she was clearly drove high all the time. So, but then that was the only thing. I think they found like THC in her in her system. Um, I think that it's heartbreaking that the car shifted into neutral, and then I think they were trying to stop her. Yes. Um, and I think that's why they probably had their seatbelts off because the boys, both of them, had their seatbelts on. She apparently never wore her seatbelt, but she did that day, or she was that night. But the only thing is what I I so my husband and I talked about that because I was like, like I said something about that she never wore it before, but he's like, I s but in some of the stuff they showed she was wearing it. So I'm so probably just speculation. Yeah. Yeah. What I so and then and then it's great. So the at some point in time it comes out that she has pots, which can make you pass out randomly. Okay, but why in the heck? Where is the physician to get on there to say she's been struggling with it? She has medication for it to prove that theory. And if you notice, they had nobody come up to say anything. I and then I felt after the Netflix, she had zero defense. Like that attorney did not defend her. No, he said they don't have anything. So I think he thought they don't have anything, so I don't need to do anything. It would they would and that's where I go back to at the end of the Netflix series, I was like, what the what the fuck just happened? Because she didn't have any sort of like I've you've seen murder shows where murderers get off because their defenses are and they were just like Yeah, exactly. She's good, she's good. Like, but when she was talking to her mom on the phone, she was talking in pig Latin. Did you see that? I don't know. I don't know if that was on the Netflix one. I'm telling you, I'm gonna. I don't think I remember seeing that. Yeah, they have a whole phone call about can't we just tell him we passed I passed out or something? And she's talking to her mom in pig Latin. It was so freaking bizarre. Like this chick had issues, but at no time back to the defense, like whether it was pots, whether it was crazy, it's crazy. Say insanity, plead insane. They didn't do anything. They didn't try it all for her. I mean, I think that he just felt like they didn't have anything, but I don't know how he figured they didn't have anything. I mean, they have way too much. And her and Dom had all that stuff, even that he recorded her, like when she was acting crazy when he she was came to his house. And so I mean it was very obvious they had a volatile relationship. That's very, very obvious. Now, sometimes they take that with a grain of salt. Anyone could be in a relationship, something could get just emotions run high in relationships in general, so it could have been a one-off day, right? That he decided to be like, oh, I'm gonna watch this, watch her acting nuts, because I don't think that that shows that that was all the time, but and then it's like every so often though they they'd have a new thing, so you're like, Yeah, that's kind of a pattern. Like, it's not just like that. But she also is a 17-year-old. She's a 17-year-old girl, which is why some of it I just kind of blew off too. She is just a 17-year-old girl, and it's a serious relationship. This guy has a lot of money that she's enjoying. There's a lot of things that draw her to it. She's on, takes way too many drugs because that affects her brain drastically on top of it. So, I mean, like, as a whole, she's had a lot of problems and she did not have family that was parenting her, which was not helping any. And my thing is, is that like I I'm not into like, I don't think that as a as a mom, I can just sit and say, you will do this or else and bubble, and think that that all pans out. So it's not that I think that they should have just been crazy, you know, lock her in the basement kind of thing, but you could tell they taught her probably nothing while she was growing up. Like they were way too loosey-goosey parents, and you could tell that they were not respected. And that judge, oh, when that mom got up and spoke, and she was like, Oh, that judge was like heads, she could tell this kid's not been parented, and that has a lot to do with it too. And then, so like, I think if you have like an emotional issue, some sort of mental situation that that girl was dealing with, and the parents that aren't monitoring, helping, nothing. I mean, I think the mom should have probably never gone up there and spoke because what she said was kind of stupid. It was just kind of stupid. I'm like, you just proved that you're an idiot. Yeah, the judge literally said we're hearing a lot about your daughter and nothing about the victims. Um and then she went to say something like, I didn't well, I really didn't know. Um, what was the friend's name again? It was Damien in. Damien, okay. I really didn't know him. I I mean he's only around for like two weeks or something, and she's like, um, like that means like this life doesn't matter. Yeah, it's like if anything, his him for him, and I mean they're both tragedies, don't get wrong, but that is honestly such a horrific tragedy that your son was killed because two people have this relationship, and he has nothing to do with any of it. He's just a new friend in the group, and just it's exactly what I've talked about before, though. My dad says, I mean not my dad, my husband says, one small one wrong decision can affect so many other people's lives, not just your own. And that is like a prime example of like why you have to pay attention to who you're around and what's going on, and and you don't get into people's cars. I don't, and especially not when there's two people that can't get along very well and get let people get behind the wheel. Obviously, she wasn't on drive. Drive something in the morning. Yeah, drive something in the morning when yeah you've been out all night. And yes, it just absolutely bizarre.

Defense Strategy Judge Sentencing Parole

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Yes, the most bizarre. I also like what I don't understand the thinking behind the judge versus the jury, like making that decision. I don't know who this defense was. They should have called me for a consultation because I would have had a better job keeping this chick out of jail than whether she's guilty or not. I can't speak on, but like what I can speak on is she had no defense team. Yes. I don't know. Now the only thing I didn't understand though is that the judge said it's 15 years to life, but I expect you to be in there for life. She's did 15 years, but they could basically at the same time. So like she got 15 years to life for each of them. Right. Which was then if you do the minimum of the 15 years for both, would put you at 30 years. They ran congruently. Is that the right word? Oh, okay, I gotcha. And one of one of one of the interviews, they they talked about how the family was like disappointed in that. Um because she's up for parole, like yeah. 10 years or something. Yes. Um and the that's why the judge said I I I expect to see have see that you'll be in in jail for the for the rest of your life. She doesn't see people hitting out. People were posting um pictures of her jail, which looks like Like a freaking high school. There's couches and TVs, and like it's it's just insane. But like, I don't know, but you gotta watch it because this whole thing is just bizarre. We want to know your thoughts if you think she needs an institution or in jail. I can tell you that my daughter, who is 17, said she did it and that's crazy. So she just right away is like, that's it. She did it and she's crazy. And I'm like, yeah, it's I mean, no matter what, at the very end, like I said, I don't know. And maybe see, I didn't see the other shows. So at the end of the day, I did not know like she's driven that route and kind of planned something. But it just makes you, I mean, I don't know. I still think she had a she got pretty beat up through that whole situation. I mean, she's got a mental problem to want to go through all of that for sure. I think that she's absolutely guilty. I think that she set out to do it. Um, she showed no remorse. No, she was at a Halloween party like months after the accident and dressed as a skeleton, like no remorse. Well, now I will say that whatever it I don't even, it's a group or something. My daughter said that doesn't matter what she was wearing, too. Just like how they kind of said, She's like, who cares what she was wearing? That has nothing to do with anything. Which I do kind of agree. I'm not really hung up on the fact of the costume that she wore. I don't even care what she put on. She could have dressed in anything. But I think that my problem with it was the fact she looked like she's having a pretty good time after she was. Oh, out partying with zero regrets. Yes. You completely look like you're having the greatest time of your life. Three months. I think she went to like a concert in her wheelchair. Yeah, like that's my problem. I could care less that she's dressed in a costume of any sort. I my cons my thought is you have nerve. And your parents are seriously. They need to go to a psychiatrist while they're at it. Maybe they're the ones who need to be in jail and she can go to the psychiatrist. Right. That was, and at the end of the day, like I said, she's definitely guilty. I, in my opinion, she's definitely guilty. She did it. Yes. But like she's crazy. Yes. She's crazy. And she needs some mental yes. She needs some mental help. Yes. And then we're going to do that. And her mom says, oh, she's going to take it to the the Supreme Court, and that's what she has to do to get her out. So I mean there. Her mom didn't even pose bail. Yeah. Well, that's the whole thing, is I'm like, you're I mean, I don't know how she thinks she's gonna make all this happen, but I also think you I don't see you got her an attorney that did nothing. Maybe it was a public defender. I didn't look. Maybe it was just a maybe they couldn't afford and it was just a public defender, and but they still have an obligation, right? As your lawyer. To try. It was to at least try. To do something. To do something. But he did nothing. He said nothing. It was crazy. It was crazy. And back to the judge versus the jury thing. Like he could have this is such a bizarre case that I feel like you would have a better chance of convincing some jurors that you're not guilty. You know what I mean? Versus one judge. Like she's gonna see it the way she sees it. And um, that's that's the end of the story. But I feel like you could have strange. You could definitely have persuaded some jurors and you know, get a hung jury, whatever it is. Yeah, get it. It was such a bizarre. Because at the end of the day, you can say all of these things stacked up, or all the proof still wasn't an a lot of proof. You know what I mean? Like they have proof she didn't tap the brakes, they have proof that she ran the route, but like that's it. Everything else is circumstantial. And so there's still no matter what there's there's still a lot of questions. There's still a lot of questions for sure. But anyone who hasn't watched it needs to watch it. Yes. I should have gone to law school. My brother went to law school, but he does like lame law. Yeah. He does like acquisitions and shit. I want to be murder. Yes. No, because then I can free a murderer. I don't know. There's just the moral of the story is the I could have done a better job as her attorney. Yeah, I think yeah, I think yeah. It was not saying she didn't end up where she belonged. Oh, she did, that's a thing, and you never know. Maybe I don't know. And wasn't it the end of the Netflix where she like looks at I don't know if it's a producer or someone, she's like, did I say that right? Yeah. Did I say that that so they'll understand me? Did I say that so I don't sound fucking crazy? And you're like, Yeah, no, you still sound nuts. But again, she tried to act like she was normal, and I was like, You're like a whole new person. Like a whole new person came out. Yeah. Yeah, she didn't testify or anything because she didn't remember. That was her defense, is just that she didn't she didn't remember. Yeah. Yeah. It's a terrible, terrible detective. Terrible defense. Yeah. I don't know how that happened. I don't know how my foot just stomped on the gas. I don't know. It's horrible. It's a horrible story, though. Yes.

Institution Versus Jail And Your Vote

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Truly. So I'm gonna we're gonna share on social media um, you know, some of the additional evidence that I've uncovered. And um again, Netflix, the crash, and then we've got Mean Girl Murders, season two, episode seven, and then killer cases, season four, episode twelve. So check some of these out and get back to us and let us know your thoughts. Yeah. I would love to hear. Maybe we'll maybe we'll do a poll. Mental institute versus jail. Right. Because yes. But she's somewhere, at least for a few more years. Yeah, where she belongs for sure. And hopefully she gets uh hopefully she gets the help that she needs. Yes. I hope she does too.

Quick Review Mandalorian And Grogu

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So my movie review this week, um Mandalorian and Grogu. Grogu. Grogu. Mandalorian and Grogu. And it is a Star Wars movie. Oh lord. And if you know anything about me, I have never wanted to or have I seen a Star Wars movie. But I did it for my other half. Me and Nora both did it, and I did it for the popcorn, and she did it for the Mandalorian because she thinks he's hot. Um we did it. It was fine. I gave a seven. It is what it is. I did it because I am a good girlfriend, and that's what we do, and it was his turn, so he got to pick. I'm glad it's over. Right. Hopefully, there's several turns before he gets his again. Yeah. I get a couple of turns, Nora gets a couple of turns, and then one of the things. And then maybe he can get one again. Yeah. But I wanted to talk about it because if you are a Star Wars person, a lot of um people face away. Did he like it? What did he think of it? Do you think it was a good episode or a good show? He actually rated it Nora and I rated 7.5, um, and he agreed with a 7.5. So it's a movie to watch if you like Star Wars, but don't get too excited. Don't get too excited. It's not the best that there's ever been. Yeah. Okay. Grogu is adorable, and I would take one, but like that's that's it. I was there for the popcorn and the Jolly Rancher Gummies. Which are my two favorite things in the whole wide world right now. Um, so that's my movie review this week. But then we have another, we have another top show to talk about.

The Nightmare Upstairs Story Setup

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Um and again, if you want to pause and go watch and come back, but this one is also on Hulu, and it's called The Nightmare Upstairs. Um, what happened to Ty and Bryn? So Gina and I mentioned that we wanna we want to have a couple of lighthearted episodes, a little more fun episodes, a little of our movie reviews and TV show reviews, and just something to take our mind off of the anxiety and the hustle and the bustle, and it's summertime, and our birthdays were last weekend, and um we just want to share some of the stuff we we enjoy and just talk about other things that you guys can look into that are entertainment for the family or for you, or sometimes I think even just as a mom, it's like the um oh, what is it, snapped. You know, all women like all those kind of different things, and that's what kind of like oh, I think all this stuff kind of goes along. But this particular show I liked better than the crash. You did. I did, I liked it better than the crash because I feel like it was um, I feel like it was I I think it's it's actually extremely sad, first off, because I think it is that the mom in this particular show really needs some help from her past. So that I it's I think it's very sad, but I actually liked it better than the crash. And I my heart broke for the for the dad. And really for the whole family, it does, because I think it's a lot of uh I I think it's sad. I think it's sad all around for everybody. I don't think there's anybody who went out on anything but though their mom, I think for sure is the reason that this all happened. And it just makes me sad. The nightmare upstairs, what happened to Ty and Bryn, and basically I don't even know how old these kids were. I don't know, but Brynn I think I think she was seven when it all started. She was seven when she talked about um some sort of uh like her doll or whatever, and she put some sort of cream on the doll. She was seven years old when that happened. Seven years old? So according to the dad, so this is um a divorced mom and dad and two kids, and according to the well, I don't even know where to start, but she has this doll and she was putting some cream on its private parts. And according to dad, the only cream that he's ever put on these parts um was destined, and that's because when they were at their moms, they didn't get bathed real well. Um, and and she had quote unquote like hot butt. Um, so an irritated butt. And so they would put Dust and Cream. I personally have never heard that term. And it was used way too many times for me when it was it was over and over and over and over and over said she had hot butt. She had hot buttons said too many times for me. But anyway. But anyway, he just said that it was it was that was the problem and that they put dust and cream on it, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then Bryn was putting it on her doll, and her mom started asking

Therapy Influence Court Decisions Doubt

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questions. Um, and then it came out, and the dad was investigated then for sexual assault of the daughter. And then they the son irritated the piss out of me the whole time. I it was and then it was supposedly the son too. I so but I watched this whole show, and it's literally this mom and you know, mom and dad and two kids, and at the end of it, I'm I felt kind of gross for not believing the kids. Okay, me too, a little bit. I did too, because I feel like it's such a sexual abuse obviously is serious, should be taken seriously, and it's disgusting. But I do believe 100% that the mom had things happen to her when she was young that was never dealt with. So in turn she ended up kind of creating this issue. And I feel like that the daughter always wanted to go see her dad. So and also it was even stated that the daughter said she had hot butt, and she would go to her dad and ask him to put the cream on. So if he was doing something to sexually assault her, it's not usually that it's the child's idea to keep asking him to do that, which is what to me, right off the bat struck me as odd. It would be the dad going to her saying, Honey, I just need to put this cream on you. This is why you have these pro you know what I'm saying? He would have been the one explaining to her why it needs to be done and coaxing her to do something. And that's not at all what was said. And then when it came to the son, the son went on, it took some years before he finally, and I think he just went into protective mode over his sister. And then he started seeing that therapist, JP, whom was a completely inappropriate type of relationship with the family. So, I mean, he was coming over, you know, he was um was a part of, you know, had his own biker group, and you could tell even that kid's face just lit up. Like he just thought that was the coolest thing. And I could understand that. He was like, I think 13, maybe 14. You're 13, 14 years old, and this like biker group comes to your house and they're like super cool to you, make you feel almost like a part of their group, and then he's the one sitting there talking to him about like he thinks he's got memories that he like he doesn't remember, and then he's like, I had nightmares and these nightmares about my dad. Well, if you think about it, all this stuff going on around him from his sister saying something and his mom making an issue out of it, it puts things in your head. I mean, lots of dreams we have don't always make sense to why we're even dreaming. And it could have been a movie we watched that all of a sudden created us to have this nightmare, you know what I mean? And so I just think there was so much discussion around their dad. I think it's what did it, and then he was convinced, and JP convinced him even more that he has more memories that are gonna come out of this, and that for sure, like it's real. And I just think it was horrible. And then even the courts were like, that isn't not how that should be. And the daughter still wanted to go see her dad, and it was the boy that was getting to become to where he was adamant he's not, and and then after all this goes on, and then they wanted to hold protest by sitting in their room and shutting the door and doing all this stuff to do a protest, but he's gonna get on TikTok, and how many followers can he get?

TikTok Escalation And A Dad Breaks

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So she's so, and then the mom decides she's gonna get on TikTok, and somebody who's so she's such an introvert, she would just never do it. So annoying. She was so annoying. She annoyed such an introvert, and the next thing you know, she's got like all this makeup on, and she's like trying to be all cute on TikTok. It's kind of like, okay, lady. Like you you kind of have some serious issues, and then it was, and then the son, I think, felt responsible for her too, because he'd say, Well, my mom's never worked, you know. Like, I think he just felt such a responsibility. But in the end, the kid ditched the whole family to begin with. It was weird. I feel sorry for him because I think he's gonna have a it will cause him troubles for the rest of his life, too. For sure. I mean, it was the the DA didn't find enough evidence at all to charge the dad. Then they ordered visitation, and that's when the son absolutely refused, um, and they end up barricading themselves in the in the room. Um, and she gets them a microwave outside of their room. Like, no, the you're gonna starve until you come out of your room, you crazy freaking people. Like, yeah, I'm sorry, my kids are not going to barricade themselves in a room. I will get in that motherfucking room if it's the last thing I do. Yes. Um, and then it all becomes for their TikTok and their viewers and different things, and like that's where you just left scratching your head, like, what in the like wrong with these people? It was just getting worse and worse. And she and her whole thing of she played too much of the innocent. She played like she's so innocent. Like, she just drove me nuts. Everything came out of her mouth drove me nuts. And and I'm like you, but then sometimes I'd be like, whatever really is happening, you feel bad. But then I'm starting again, I just don't believe it happened. I don't believe the daughter right off the bat when that daughter was the one instigating the whole thing. That is not, I don't believe it all. And at the very end, when the father even they finally did have him get on screen and he was like had tears fill up his, you could just tell that man is is broken. And I also think, and he was married a second time. And that whole thing threw me off. That thing kind of threw me off too. But his second wife never once said she had ever seen anything or ever felt that he would do anything like that to any of those kids. Or to her, she just said that he that he coached her on how to how to answer. Yes, which I think she was special, so he he needed to well, that's what I think too. And I think he was scared, and he did a polygraph that was 99% he's telling the truth, which is pretty darn good. I don't know how that didn't play into anything to save him. I mean, not even uh something to talk about. Well, he was, you know, shady here or there. Like a lot of times you'll, you know what I mean? You'll hear like, well, there's kind of some questions and a few things, but otherwise, you know, he pretty much was telling the truth. I mean, that guy was telling the truth. And I just think I'm like you. I think his second wife is just not the brightest tool in the shed. So he decided he better say, you need to make sure that you're backing me because I'm right now, he was getting backed up against a wall. Yeah, and I'm not saying that he wasn't controlling or he wasn't those things, but I don't think that he handled the kids inappropriately at all. Um, and he ended up signing his rights away because which I don't know, which I would have done too. You would have. In a heartbeat. Yes, I would. Yeah, really. Because I don't know what it would take to get me to sign my rights away. I really don't, but I know I mean, I'm not judging him for it. He was tired. I don't judge him at all for it. He's going in majorly just spending hundreds of thousands of dollars. And every time he sees these kids, they're in tears and they're upset and they're distraught. It's like his presence is bringing them pain. At some point, I would just be like, this is just the courts weren't like doing enough to help to say that he had to see that, you know, that the kids need to see him or to fight for him enough. And and in some ways, I mean, really do you want your kids, like even when the kids said, I'm barricading because we're not gonna be drug out screaming by police and stuff. And really, do you want that happening to your kids? I mean, you know that what's going on is wrong at their house and what their mom is telling them is so wrong, but you're kind of put in a weird situation. And I think at some point I I would have done the exact same thing. I would have just said, I can't have my kids come to supervised visits where like literally I'm causing them pain really by them showing up. It's never, it's not ever wasn't it wasn't improving, it wasn't getting better. And unfortunately, the son started becoming the one in charge and driving it, and then I think he was done. But I mean you're lost, you you're gonna lose by then. That kid's never gonna. If he does, then you can pray. I would pray on it on a regular basis and hope that he gets some help himself and maybe someday that he can see that I didn't do anything. But he then, if you noticed his next therapist knew JP. So he's just gonna stay within those that group of people anyway. So he's never gonna see the truth or give cut his dad. He's like, So what are you fighting for? If you think about it. I guess that's true. I just leaving my kids in a toxic environment with some crazy bitch that's like brainwashing them. But at the end of the day, yeah, I mean, the money you spend and being assass your character assassinated and different things. I my heart broke for him. Um but then at the end, I I literally was like questioning myself because I'm like, yeah, well, those kids were like to not believe a kid, you know what I mean? Like that's so this world, man. I know it's crazy. It's so crazy. But yeah, I actually I actually really like that one better just because I felt like there was so much more of an emotional like tug of war a little bit, and um not the last one. That bitch was crazy and she was guilty. No. Yeah, it was that one was definitely you're like, she got what she deserved. But this one was more like he didn't get what he deserved, that wasn't right, and I my heart breaks for the whole family in the end, and those kids, I think will will it we they will have some trauma for something that was caused by their mom. And I bet this happens all the time. Yes, I bet it happens all the freaking time. And then I honestly thought it was really ignorant that then after all this was done and he walked away and they signed over his rights, that she couldn't wait to go fast enough to have her new husband adopt those kids. Like, seriously, like that just even to me Because at that point they were old, like there wasn't a lot of reason to do that. Now, don't be wrong, I don't care if it the it as time went on, they did they decided they wanted to, you know, uh align with him and and I could see them doing that, and that's fine. But it just was in bad, it was in poor taste as to when it was done. That's just my opinion. You couldn't have waited in, like you were you couldn't you couldn't go fast enough to get over there to have that done. Like it just it was distasteful, which just told me a lot of even more about how nuts she is. And her little innocent shit just I just want to smack her. And you're right. I didn't think about her background or what she'd been through and different. I just so I think it's she really does need some therapy of her own. And I and I I feel bad for her because I do think that I don't know, I don't think she intentionally necessarily was saying, I I'm gonna I hope that this happens to my kids so I can like make a thing about it. I just think she had a situation of something stupid that I think the kid was doing something that was just kind of normal, whatever, and I think she turned it into something, and in some degree I understand why she would. I mean, if you've had things happen to you, you're gonna be super hypersensitive anyways. And she obviously didn't get enough any therapy really that she needed for that. So I mean that one um that one lady that was on there that people went after her, um, I can't think of her name now. She was the she was um had to do with the courts and stuff too, I think. Remember, they interviewed her quite a bit towards the end. She was like a counselor and stuff, and she took a lot of heat for it, but she described absolutely to a T what happens to people who are not, don't get the treatment that they need, and then how that turns into their kids, and then how like even that they have everybody else to speak for them, so that those people are the ones standing up and speaking, and she gets to stay in the background and keep quiet and be protected by everybody. And it was so like just classic. Everything she said was just so perfect. It's like so sad. So yeah, I did really enjoy that one. That's one I think for sure people they need to watch both of them, but I enjoy this one way more. And I just went down the rabbit hole of the crash so much more. So that one, that one's my vote.

What To Watch Next And Wrap Up

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But yeah, just check them out. I know it's summertime, and a lot of the TV shows are probably on break or going on break. And if you need something to watch, just check these out. And we want to hear from you. We want to know your thoughts, we want to know what um you want us to talk about. Um we'll continue to weave in some of these more lighthearted episodes. And um, or if you even know of any shows that we need to watch that we can talk about too, let us know there's something good out there that you've seen. I'll jump on there and watch it. Yeah, we're not turning into a true crime podcast, but we're gonna we're gonna talk about random stuff. Yes, just random whatever. If it was good, if it was funny, if it was serious, or if it was crazy, whatever it is. I'd I I love true crime, but there's plenty of that in this world. For sure. For sure. Well, thanks for coming along this ride with us, and we will talk to you soon. Yep, definitely. Can't wait to hear what you guys have to add for us so that we can uh do some more of these. Have a good week. See ya. Thanks for spending time with us. Take what you need, leave what you don't, and be gentle with yourself. And if you want to stay connected, follow us on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok at the ARMC. And remember, you're not broken, you're becoming. We'll see you next time.