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Daffodils and Growth: How True Friendship Evolves
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Ever wondered what it's really like to stand by someone battling PTSD? This raw, laughter-filled conversation between best friends Melissa and Mel pulls back the curtain on one of the most meaningful relationships in mental health recovery.
From their first meeting at a running group to an adventurous three-day hike where they "could have died" (Melissa's words!), their friendship story takes an unexpected turn when PTSD enters the picture. With remarkable candor, Mel shares what it was like watching her vibrant, outgoing friend struggle before her first hospitalization, and the fear and uncertainty that surrounded that critical turning point.
The most powerful revelation? How PTSD actually deepened their connection rather than destroying it. "I think that your PTSD has made us get there a lot quicker," Mel reflects on their unusually honest friendship. Through impromptu daffodil photoshoots, poker tournaments, and countless small adventures, they've discovered the art of finding joy even on the darkest days.
For anyone supporting a loved one with mental health challenges, Mel offers this golden insight: "Lead with love, not fear." She explains how the tendency to walk on eggshells actually creates more problems than it solves, and how honest communication transformed their relationship. Meanwhile, Melissa shares how vulnerability—initially terrifying—became the unexpected gift that enriched all her relationships.
Whether you're navigating your own mental health journey or supporting someone who is, this episode offers both practical wisdom and emotional reassurance. As Mel beautifully puts it: "Friendship turns moments into memories" and "Good friends are sunshine between storms."
Listen now and discover how two friends learned to laugh together even when life wasn't funny, and how the right kind of support can make all the difference in healing.
Song of the week:
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Meet Mel: Best Friend and Special Guest
Speaker 1Hey there, welcome to Mad Mel's Mic. Thanks for joining me. My name is Melissa and this is a podcast all about me, about my life, about my life with PTSD, about my life with a husband and kids and friends and everything in between. Thanks for tuning in. Hey everybody, and welcome to episode 28. This week's episode is special because I have a special guest, so we will get started. Special because I have a special guest, so we will get started. Hi, welcome again to episode 28.
Speaker 1As I said, I have a very special guest and it is my bestie, and I will let her introduce herself. Hi, I'm Mel. This episode is going to be insightful, but I'm just going to warn everybody that there probably will be a lot of giggles because we make each other laugh in the most stupidest ways. But I think it's important to get different people on who have been walking through this journey with me, and Mel has been a big support during my rollercoaster of a ride with PTSD. So, as I do with all my guests and I know there's only been three of them and they've been my kids, but the guest is in charge of the Song of the Week. So what is it this week, mel, I've chosen.
Speaker 2You've Got a Friend in Me, and who's it? By Randy Newman.
Speaker 1Randy, I'm like is it Newsome?
Speaker 2We'll play that for you now.
Speaker 1So apparently I'm really professional, which I think is funny, because I have no idea what I'm doing and I just make shit up as I go, anyway. So let's, I've got a few questions here for Mel and, like the kids, she doesn't have any idea what they are. Some of them will be deep, some of them will be a little bit lighter, but let's just first discuss on how we became friends.
Speaker 2I think you had started the orange running mums group, yeah, and I was looking to join and I sent a very long message about how I would be nervous about going. I don't even remember that. Yeah, I don't think you do. Anyway, I went to a few runs and then we maybe said hello and stuff, but it was at the Christmas party that we really connected and it began of me not liking you.
Speaker 2Only because I won a couple of ribbons at a Walgett show only because I won a couple of ribbons at a Walgett show. I love to show bake and I've always tried to get best in show and that's what we connected on. But then she showed me her ribbons and I was most upset. And now I'm one best in show Against me as well, so that was really even more upsetting.
Speaker 1That was for my sourdough. It's like I go through these different phases and then get my grand champion ribbon and go. That's it, my sourdough's done, my baking's done. I'm done with everything. I'm still trying, all right. So just to begin with, can you share a little bit about our friendship and what it's meant to you over the years?
Speaker 2Yeah, I think, like from that moment we we'd been messaging but probably really hadn't hung out, and then we decided, as was learned during our friendship, that we jump into things, and you said let's go on a three-day hike, and again, we hadn't really, you know, spent a lot of time together.
Speaker 1So we packed our bags and went on a three-day hike, and I think that was in the middle of nowhere, doing the stupidest shit ever, I'm sure, like how we didn't die. Um, look in hindsight, my stubbornness very well could have killed us all, like and and I'm not exaggerating with that like that's the actual what happened, like we were like that.
Speaker 2There's one video of me when we've crossed this water thing and I was shaking now we can make it just take your boots off and we'll go through.
Speaker 1Mind you, it was floodwaters, because they just had a massive storm the weekend before. Anyway, the ventures that we do.
Speaker 2But it's meant the world. To me it really has. I think it's like developed so much from that first time of talking about show baking to that three-day hike, and then it's just kept evolving more and more, and then obviously your injury in between all of that.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, how long ago was that? It's probably been about seven years, hey.
Speaker 2Yeah, I think so. Because it was 2020, we went on the hike.
Speaker 1And so we met before that?
Speaker 2Yeah, how do you remember that? Well, I think it was COVID. So we're trying to find the right moment that we could go, because of COVID.
PTSD Impact and Hospital Experience
Speaker 1Yeah, I think. Gee, you've got a good memory Now getting into my broken head. Do you remember the first time you noticed signs of my PTSD?
Speaker 2I don't know whether I remember the first moment of the signs. I mean, I remember the moment that you know you sort of did it yeah, and then you know then going back to work.
Speaker 1So I remember that moment, but I don't know whether I remember like the moment that yeah, yeah, I don't think there was any warning signs for anybody, though, like it just sort of happened. Yeah, and what was going? Oh, it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2All right Professionalism so professional.
Speaker 1It doesn't help that I don't think I've read through these questions thoroughly either all right. Do you remember? Remember the moment we officially became best friends and who made the first move?
Speaker 2on two levels as well, because we're often going around together like pickleball in active wear, and we spend a lot of time together.
Speaker 1And everybody thinks we're in an intimate relationship. Like who made the first move it was you, it was me, it was you. I don't think it was the first move, I think it was just an involved thing.
Speaker 2I think it was because you think about like that hike and then like we've done all these weird adventures together, so like we've trained for that half marathon, we did the triathlons, like we've gone on all these weird things and I think every moment of those are those memories that are locked in that just evolve into this yeah, yeah, laughter fuel friendship.
Speaker 1Who made the first move? I know I've said this to Mel before, but there's been points where I go, oh, don't message her today, Like don't be so needy, and then she'll message me. Oh, she does love me as much as me. How has my PTSD impacted our friendship, both challenges and the positives.
Speaker 2Yeah, I think like one of the challenges. I think early on before going to the hospital for the first time, we both were, I think, doing things probably just to make each other happy in that space, if that makes sense friends, information session with the psychiatrist. It made so much of it all clear and it was also then when you got back. I think the best thing about it is being able to talk to each other about what's working for us and what's not working. Yeah, I don't think we would have ever got to having that deeper relationship because it has made us go. You know you understand me better because I'm also a person that when I've had enough social interactions my battery goes and I don't respond to people. You know that. But also you know, if we don't feel like doing something, we'll say actually we don't feel like doing it, where before we were probably just doing it to try and appease each other, and I think that's been the greatest, which has then made our relationship even deeper. Yeah, not romantically.
Speaker 1Much to everybody's surprise. When you do a dispatch, what's been? This is a tough one. What has been the hardest part for you as my friend?
Speaker 2I think it was the first part. I think that was the hardest part for you as my friend. I think it was the first part. I think that was the hardest part, the first part, and then the first time that you went to hospital. So the first part before the hospital, before the hospital, post-injury, pre-hospital yeah, I think that part is the hardest because you found it really difficult to go anywhere by yourself and that was really challenging for you to do and it's really hard to see somebody go like that. And then for you to go to hospital for the first time is a really scary thing as well.
Speaker 2I think from being on the outside it was the greatest thing, but you don't know that at the time. And so when you go and also like once having that session to understanding why hospital was such a good place for you, you know you were there for a long time and felt really comfortable, why hospital was such a good place for you. You know you were there for a long time and felt really comfortable and you know then they explained why that is and it made so much more sense and I think that was probably the hardest part. But I think, like watching your growth, each time getting better and better has been such a great experience to watch.
Speaker 1Yeah, and I would say to the kids I think if I kept going to hospital and there was no improvement from when I got in until when I got out, there'd be issues.
Speaker 2But I think it's positive that we can all see those positive changes as well, yeah, so like when you need to go to hospital again, you know that it's okay, it's going to be better for you, and I think that probably was the hardest part, that first year between yeah you and I think that is probably was the hardest part that first got between yeah, yeah, and just a little segue, and Mel's been talking a lot about, um, the family and friends video, and that was by Professor Steele, zachary Steele.
Speaker 1So if anybody wants a copy of that, just let me know and I'll send it to you because it was well.
Speaker 2I well, I have watched it, but it was very informative for Mel and my family and stuff like that too, so so if you need some insight in relation to that, I think also for me, like when I was saying about those things that you would just do. It also made me realise that I need to also express then how I'm feeling you know like it's you know. So then we were able to talk a lot more about it, and I think it just made our relationship so much stronger from there.
Communication and Growth in Friendship
Speaker 1Definitely All right. What's one funny or random memory of us that you think perfectly sums up our friendship?
Speaker 2There's so many. But I think because on the way over here I was laughing about the random stuff we'd done and we wanted to do a photo shoot. I had a bad day at work and I rang Mel and she could tell in my voice and she came straight over and we were like she was like let's go take a photo of me.
Speaker 1It was for the motivational speaking stuff. I needed, like professional photos for my bio.
Speaker 2So we just go to Cook Park. I was like, where do I get down in the daffodils, these photos with her face around these daffodils, like it was a nothing and I'd had a bad morning at work and we were just laughing like the whole time, and it was spitting rain as well, and I'm lying in the bloody garden bed. So I think it's like just like out of nothing, we have fun, and I think that's like sums up our relationship.
Speaker 1We have fun by doing nothingness Like our days will consist of me picking her up and going to get fuel or running errands and stuff like that. So it's not about rainbows and lollipops every day, no, but yeah, but making the best out of those times, yeah, yeah yeah, what have you learned about PTSD through being close to me?
Speaker 2Oh, that's like a, I think it's that. It's like ever evolving, like changing. I think that there's like good days and bad days, but they all just go together and knowing that that you know, even through the hard days there's going to be good days on the other side. Just always remembering that and I think also like having those conversations about, like you know, are you okay? I don't think necessarily, I ask it like that, but what's the level that I need to be concerned of today? Or you know, like it's been just freely opening those and they're not awkward conversations.
Speaker 1I think you've been able to have a mate as well, understanding the sub scale. So if I am particularly bad, I can go. No, I'm going to eight, yeah, in the sub-scale. So if I am particularly bad. I can go.
Speaker 2no, I'm going to eight, yeah, and then understanding that, and so then, yeah, yeah, what do we need to do? Do we need to go laugh at daffodils?
Speaker 1Yeah, so our challenge to you is to go lay in the garden with some daffodils. Has our friendship changed the way you think? About mental health in general, I think yes and no. I think you've always been very aware of mental health, like you've worked in the industry yourself anyway, and I think you understand it on a personal level too.
Speaker 2Yeah, and I think that it's given me insight as well on, I think, if somebody was up to ask about being a friend to someone going through it, like I have more of a lived experience of that. So I think that it's taught me a lot and, like I said, those conversations sometimes are quite hard to have and I think, like with a close friend, it's not as much, but it also then teaches me then how to have that conversation with someone else because you've practiced it so much, you know like where are you at, yeah, and then, like it involves, to how we communicate.
Speaker 2But I think, going forward, I have those in my toolbox a lot more because it yeah, your handy dandy toolbox. Yeah, my handy dandy toolbox, just pop out like tape measure.
Speaker 1What do you wish people understood about being friends with somebody who lives with PTSD?
Speaker 2That's a good one, I think, like being open and honest, I think maybe, yeah, like I think and I go back to it but you know, at the start I was probably doing things that were, you know, becoming tiresome for me, you know, like not tiresome of you, but like you know that need of not being able to do things, and I think being there for someone is so important, but it's also about then communicating that to each other.
Speaker 2Yeah, you know, I think that we didn't do that at the start, but then once we did it, it it just like sailed so much. Oh, yeah, yeah. And and you understanding me, I think, is also really important like I'm also a complex person, yes, um, and so then you know, because also that's the hard thing as well at the start, like if I didn't respond to a message then you would because you were in a bad space. Yeah, overthink that and it was nothing to do with you, it's just me and my social battery. So I think then we started I'm start catastrophizing, going oh my gosh, that's it, I'm being dumped, yeah, and so I think that is like the really important thing I think I've learned is that you just have to be both open and honest, and then you have a better, stronger relationship.
Speaker 1Okay, this is a good one If our to you. Okay, this is a good one. If our friendship was a movie, what genre would it?
Speaker 2be comedy, drama, thriller or all of the above.
Speaker 1I feel like a romantic comedy I think it's great With a rom-com no intimacy, none, none, none.
Speaker 2We're both too lazy for that.
Speaker 1So a rom-com I think so.
Speaker 2I think it's a comedy.
Speaker 1It's full of laughs, it's definitely a comedy, and I don't think there's no thriller.
Speaker 2No, there's no drama to it, it's pretty easygoing yeah yeah, Like you know, sure, we all have bad days, but everybody does. So I think those are like part of the what do you call in a movie like the cliffhangers? We have the crescendos.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2And we are all happy again.
Speaker 1Yeah, but we've never actually and I know you were talking about this after listening to an audio book. We've never had a blow-up or anything like that. No, no, so we're sort of holding our breath, waiting for that to happen maybe after this you fucked it up now has supporting me ever taken a toll on you and, if so, how have you looked after yourself?
The Hardest Parts and Shared Adventures
Speaker 2I think maybe like not a toll, but I think it's the worry as well. And I think before you went to hospital for the first time and you know you're worrying a lot about you and I think that takes a toll, and then so when you know you need something, then you're going to go do it.
Speaker 2But I think that that was a really hard part because you found it really hard to do most things and it's hard to see you in that space who you know, like not having the motivation or like, as you would probably pick up Mel's, like personalities, talk to anyone, do anything you know, and that and that wasn't there and that's really hard to see. But then, yeah, I think it's, we've both just evolved with it, yeah.
Speaker 1It's amazing because, in hindsight, talking about that first hospital stay, I didn't have thoughts about anybody else but myself.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1Like I remember saying to my husband like what if I'm not crazy enough? But like I didn't think about the effect it would have on you or the kids and things like that. I think probably more so the kids, but I guess when you bring it up it's like, yeah, it does have an impact on you too.
Speaker 2Yeah, because you were really bad before you went to that hospital?
Speaker 1I was, yeah.
Speaker 2I mean, you've been bad times since, but that first time, I think because you learnt so much in that hospital stay too and you were keen to see it and because it's not unfamiliar, you were happy to go back because you knew you had to. Yeah, but that first time there's so many questions in your mind, also our minds that that, yeah, what's the most thing like is that one flew over the cuckoo's nest how mad is it?
Speaker 2yeah, so I think that part was the hardest part, and then everything since has been yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1Sorry.
Speaker 2No, no, but it wasn't bad. No, I know.
Speaker 1And I know we say this and we're on this journey of life together and stuff like that, but sometimes you just can't help but feel a little bit bad for putting other people through everything.
Speaker 2But it wasn't bad either. It was just that it was such a I'm sure moment other people through everything, but it wasn't bad either. It was just that it was such an unsure moment, yeah, yeah, like, it was just the uncertainty of it all and not knowing. You know, like and the same for you, like, will you ever get back to something that you were a little bit before?
Speaker 1Yeah, Because yeah, and I think it's easy for us to talk about it now because I am in such a better spot now than I was say even 12 months ago. Yeah, there's been a lot of growth from all of us, a lot of work.
Speaker 2Yeah, and I think that is something that you have to remember too when you're coming through it with somebody, that you know there is bad days, but you know there is going to be, you know, brighter days and it will go back a bit, but it's that backwards and forwards, but that first part was, I think, the scariest part before you went to hospital for the first time because of all the unknowns.
Speaker 1Yeah, what has surprised you most about our journey together?
Speaker 2I think the way we evolve into different things happily Like. So we started off with the running, we've been on the hikes, we got into triathlon. Whatever we want to try, we just try it together and poker.
Speaker 1We played poker last night, so this one here just goes to young and plays in a poker tournament.
Speaker 2Came fourth. It was the first time ever. It was the most amazing experience, convinced she's the world champion.
Speaker 1And then, next thing you know, she gets home that night and we're going to play poker right now.
Speaker 2And so I think that's what I love the most that we've done all these different random things and we just keep doing them. Like we've played poker, we've gone from running to poker and we like pickleball. You know, we've done just and we're happy I think both of our personalities to give anything a try, and I think that's really nice. You don't always get that. We just give anything a try and I know that I could have rang her and said hey, you want to go play poker?
Speaker 1Yes, we will go play poker. Let me give you a quick lesson from the other half, quickly, before we go. Learn how to shuffle these cards how to shuffle. This is the funniest thing watching her deal. It's very nerve-wracking. She was having hot flashes.
Speaker 2I think we're pushing each other out of our comfort zone. Yeah, because you push me out of my comfort zone. You make me do things that I'm not comfortable doing. You make me do things that I'm not comfortable doing. Yeah, and I think that's really nice. Yeah, but in a safe way. You know we're not putting pressure on each other. There's no pressure. It's just, yeah, I think, understanding each other, knowing when I need a push and when.
Speaker 1I don't yeah, and knowing when to go. Oh, hang on a second. No, that's too far.
Speaker 2Yeah, she's not coming yeah.
Speaker 1Are there things we've done that made it easier for both of us to stay strong in our relationship, in our friendship, yeah, I think, just being there for each other.
Speaker 2I think that what I just said is also understanding each other, so knowing when to push and not to push, just, you know, when I rang that day for the daffodils, you just heard in my voice straight away, you know, and then you came straight over and we went to daffodils. Like, I think, just the understanding of each other and knowing you know, if I don't respond to a message, you know, like, if you send me six messages, you know I'm going to only answer one.
Speaker 1And it does. Yeah, if there's too many messages with different topics, I know that the first five aren't going to get responded to and don't have to be next time I see her or whatever. So it's only if I want something asked. There has to be just one thing. But I think maybe we should put some of those Daffodil photos up on the show, you should.
Speaker 2And I was thinking just a photo of the river crossing, or me shaking at the end. Oh my gosh that was so funny I can't believe I just did that.
Speaker 1What's something silly or unexpected about me that listeners might not know, but you do? Oh that's concerning I think that you're like a pretty open book too, but there's things you know that people don't need to know.
Speaker 2I'm scared People might know this, but she's not great at washing her hands after the toilet and what she calls me out on a pickpocket. Did you wash your hands?
Speaker 1Because I know she doesn't either. If you're going to throw me out of the bus, I'm throwing you under too. It wasn't a bad thing. That could have been a lot worse. I'm okay with that. It wasn't a bad thing. That could have been a lot worse. I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2Just don't shake a hand or share food with her after she's gone to the toilet. I feel community.
Supporting Through PTSD and Final Thoughts
Speaker 1That's why I'm not often sick. Nobody's going to hug me again, okay. What advice would you give to someone who wants to support a friend with ptsd but doesn't know where to start?
Speaker 2I think, just be there, love and support and not be afraid to have conversations that may seem hard. You know, I think at the start, like you sometimes feel nervous to say, hey, this may this is making me feel this way and, like you said, you weren't able to think of that so you're not even aware. But if I was to say to you at that time, you know like, hey, you know I just can't do this today because of this, you would have been receptive to that. But I think there's fear at the start and I think just got to lead with love and not that fear yeah, that was good, Was that good? But I think it's fear, isn't?
Speaker 1it. No, that's exactly right. Your fear just pays off.
Speaker 2to you because you don't want to upset you. Yeah, to you because you don't want to upset you. Yeah, but that's actually not helping us at all. No, no, because then I'm not being open and I'm not sharing, and then you don't know why. Then maybe I don't answer a message, and so then there's all this uncertainty. But once you lead with the love, then yeah, yeah and not fear.
Speaker 1Looking back on our friendship, what are you most proud of?
Speaker 2I think everything. I think like the way it evolved from the start to us going on that three day hike to when we go let's do a half marathon to like then from from the injury, for how we've grown and developed and became a lot closer, where we are open and honest, and I think that's what you want in a friendship and you don't always get there, but I think with you and the PTSD has made us get there probably a lot quicker.
Speaker 2A lot quicker yeah, and so then it's a really solid friendship that we both can share things easily.
Speaker 1I think, looking back, for me it's probably that first hospital stay where it taught me that it's okay to be vulnerable and I think that has then flowed on to like our friendship and my relationships and stuff like that.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's taught me then to be vulnerable too, like it's a two-way street, isn't it what you've learned? Then come and helped me like, and then same as what I learned in that video as well. You know, it just changed and I think it's really nice.
Speaker 1Yeah, it is nice. And finally, what do you hope people listening to this episode take away from your experience?
Speaker 2To have laughter, I think, even on the cloudiest, cloudiest, cloudy, cloudiest days, cloudiest or what? Yes, cloudy, cloudy days. Even on the cloudy? Yeah, no, cloudiest isn't the word I'm going to use.
Speaker 1Anyway, we might get a new one later, like just to find that laughter.
Speaker 2I think that we've always found a way to giggle at the silly shit yeah, yeah, and also like not to sweat that small stuff. What we've also learnt is that we both forget shit, yeah, and our friendship doesn't get any way offended if I'm like, oh, was I meant to do that? Yeah, oh any way offended if I'm like oh, Was I meant to do that?
Speaker 1Well, did that happen already? Yeah, I forgot. Did you tell me? We both? Yeah, I think it's about just having the understanding and being able to forgive too, I think I think so too, like, because everyone's not perfect.
Speaker 2No, and I think just to forgive for some of our shortfalls on some days than others, and yeah, and just enjoy the company of each other. Yeah, like I think that just. Yeah, enjoy the little moments, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1Go get petrol together or go to the chemist, go do gross visits.
Speaker 2And then have, like you know, like, no matter what we still have, yeah, we always giggle A giggle at something. Yeah, even when we're both maybe feeling a bit shit we're still able to find a giggle in it, and maybe it is because we've both forgotten something like oh, there we go again, yep, we go.
Speaker 1And so it's like getting you know, accepting both of our sometimes forget some of our misgivings in some space and, yeah, accepting those misgivings is a good word, okay, before we get into the thought of the week, oh yes, one last question who's the bossier out of the two of us?
Speaker 2It's a really tough one, like I would. My initial answer would be Mel, but I think if I'm like chucking my toys out of the pram, I'll dig my heels in if I need to Like. On the three-day hike. On the three-day hike I threw my bag down and she's like get up. You're getting up and I'm like I'm not.
Speaker 1We've had a few domestics but no big blowups. But my first thought was to go. You know I'm the bossy one. But I don't think we're necessarily either bossy.
Speaker 2No, I think your personality is to lead Like I feel like that's just naturally who you are like, in a sense of like well, also because I can't make a decision.
Speaker 1That also doesn't happen, so you'll be like, okay, we're doing that.
Speaker 2And then so then that's fine, Okay, we're doing it. If I make a decision, she's like well done. So I think naturally you're probably more of that assertive type of that and I'm probably more of a laid back, so I wouldn't say that. But I think if I need to dig my heels in, like one time, I will throw my bag down, sit there and not move, and you can't make me. I did, she did end up moving and we hitchhiked.
Friendship Turns Moments into Memories
Speaker 1Which is another story from the other day, which is another story from the other day.
Speaker 2All right, mel, so what's the thought of the week? Um, my thought of the week is sorry, one moment please. Oh shit, I think I can't. I think I had two, but I think the one that kind of sums up everything of what we talked about is friendship turns moments into memories, so just those small moments where they're all our memories, like, you know, going to the park in a daffodil, that's a core memory and it was just a moment out of nowhere. And I think that's what my thought of the week is that friendship turns moments into memories. Read the other one. Okay, my other one was like good friends are sunshine between storms.
Speaker 2And I think that again just goes into that, doesn't it? Yeah, it's a stormy day and a little bit of sunshine peeks through, with just being there.
Speaker 1Yeah, was there anything else you want to add before we wrap it up?
Speaker 2I don't think so. It was really fun.
Speaker 1I was a little bit nervous. We won't listen to it, but anyway, we have also got one episode out there called Two Males, one my, where we started a podcast. Well, that was before I did my ankle, so that was again. So it began in 2020. We did a half marathon training. Yeah, and we did one episode and then Mel figured that she doesn't love it.
Speaker 2So I just find it really daunting to share. Like that's the difference between us as well.
Speaker 1You're very good at sharing, where I use this as my personal journal.
Speaker 2Yeah, and that's wonderful.
Speaker 1Yeah, personal journal, yeah, and that's wonderful. Yeah, I think. But I think that's what makes our friendship so nice is because we are different and we can bounce off one another and stuff like that. But then we're so similar, yeah, yeah, in a lot of ways. Yeah Well, thanks for tuning in everybody. Hope you've enjoyed our chat with Mel. We might have her back again one day. Have a good week and be kind to yourself. Bye, thanks for tuning in to mad males mic. I'm melissa smith and I hope you've enjoyed listening. You can find me on facebook and instagram and don't forget to like and follow. Have a great week and don't forget to be kind to yourself.