Hokas and Heartache

This week on Mood Swings The Podcast, the internet is in chaos and somehow Kendra is at the center of it.

Apparently the Hoka community has entered the chat, because a certain opinion about men in Hokas sent the comment section into a full-blown cardio session. But if you know Kendra… you know one thing:

She ain't never scared.

The hosts break down the funniest reactions, the internet outrage, and why some people are taking their running shoes WAY too seriously.

Then we dive into the viral Facebook groups “Are We Dating The Same Guy?” — where women are comparing notes, posting receipts, and exposing serial cheaters, double-lifers, and professional time-wasters.

Are these groups female solidarity… or messy chaos?
Is it girl code… or internet surveillance?

Either way… the screenshots are WILD.

In this episode we talk about:

• The Hoka sneaker controversy that has the internet sweating
• Why the comment section is doing the most
• The viral Are We Dating The Same Guy? Facebook groups
• Dating detectives, secret girlfriends, and shared receipts
• When protecting women turns into pure internet mess

Grab your drink of the day and get ready because this episode is petty, messy, and hilarious.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

The following segment is intended for entertainment purposes only. Mood Swings does not encourage, support, endorse, promote, inspire, co-sign, validate, or spiritually align with the behavior you're about to hear. Any resemblance to your personal habits is not our fault and should be discussed with a licensed professional. By continuing to listen, you agree to, mind your business, drink water, and please stop. Proceed at your own risk.

SPEAKER_01 0:22

Hey everyone, it's your girl Jay. I'm Kendra, and you're watching Mood Swings the Podcast. So to finally have some sun, it's been everything for me.

SPEAKER_00 0:58

Girl, you know I know it. I was just out in Monterey this weekend, and it was absolutely beautiful. Now, let me just tell you, I act completely opposite of what that weather was gonna be because historically it's muggy, it's it's uh overcasty, it's got a lot of um humidity in the air, right? No, it was absolutely ocean. Well, I'm looking like an asshole with turtlenecks and fucking Uggs on and shit, and it's hot and people got bikinis on and they're over here surfing with the seals and shit. So I Oh my gosh. My husband and I had to do a little quick little shopping trip. But I I made it work out and it came, it it worked out because it started to get a little cooler at night. Um, and then I woke up on Sunday on our drive home and then it got overcasty again. Um it's still hot as hell out here in Vegas right now. Um so hot that I made myself um a raspberry lemon drop. And the only reason why I did this too is because I had it this weekend and it was it I had it at claim, um, sorry, at Chart House, and it was the puree was so thick I couldn't even drink my alcohol. So when I got home, I decided to make my own version and it's making me feel a little messy today.

SPEAKER_01 2:11

And I think that's my mood. Okay, I love it. Oh, it's pretty too. It looks like red Kool-Aid, or as I would tell my girl Tamara, looks like regular juice. Looks good. Thank you. Well, what are you drinking on, Kay Mac? You know what? I don't even know. I want to talk about my drink. It's fucking dumb. I just, you know, I was running late today. I was running late. So I just had to hurry up and just like make a concoction. And I was like, what's in here? I don't feel like wine, haven't eaten, like, what do I want to get? So out of all of that, what do I reach for? Tequila. The mescal tequila, and I try to do something extra. I put some bitters in it and some more apple juice. Anyways, it's stupid. So I'm just, you know, but I don't believe in letting a drink go to waste. So it's going to get drank. Waste not whatnot, you know? What not? Exactly. I know. There are there are alcoholics in AA wishing they had a drink right now. Jay, before we get started, I want to start a new thing where we're shouting out our fans of the show. And I'm talking about real fans, fans that are like constantly they're constantly engaging with us on our social medias, they're leaving us messages. They just, you know, you can feel the vibe. You know that they love the show. What do you think?

SPEAKER_00 3:22

I absolutely love that. I want to make sure to let them know that we love them as listeners and we consider them part of our family.

SPEAKER_01 3:30

So I was thinking they could join our swing set here since we are mood swingers.

SPEAKER_00 3:35

They'll be like, Watch out, Beehive. We got the swing set.

SPEAKER_01 3:39

We got the swing set, right? Our swingers and the swing set. So I want to give a shout out to this particular um uh fan, and he is gonna be our official fan of the week. His name is Blue Dog1975. Thank you so much for joining the swing set and being a fan of the show.

SPEAKER_00 3:57

We love your comments. Yes, thank you, Lou. I appreciate it. Thank you for liking, for sharing, for letting people know about it. Where the where the hell is it at? So uh the last time he did that, we were actually on our our winter break, um, but we didn't actually explain that. So next time we'll make sure to let our listeners know when we plan our breaks so you don't have to wonder when we'll be coming back. But yes, he was one of the ones that pointed it out. We appreciate and every comment and suggestion helps us to better our program. Um so we'd love to hear from you. And thank you again, Lou. I appreciate you.

SPEAKER_01 4:30

Thank you, Little Dog 1975. All right. So, what mood are you in, Kay? So I don't know. I'm in a like a very playful, happy, cheerful mood. But I I what mood would I call this? I'm in a fun-loving mood. How about that?

SPEAKER_00 4:47

Fun loving mood. I love that. Hey, that's a great mood to be in. I hope everyone else, all the listeners are also in that mood. Unless they share the messy mood with me, because I'm feeling a little messy today. Because, you know, I've been on the internet and I've been seeing a lot of internet drama happening. It's it's it's people I don't know, but for some reason, they feel that they need to share their drama with us online. And we get to watch it unfold story by story, TikTok by TikTok, Instagram by Instagram. Part two is loading. But before I get into what I wanted to talk about today, there is a little bit of mess that I did want to sort out for our listeners. Um about a month and a half ago, there was a a post that was circulating Instagram, and uh my best friend Kendra was was perusing that post and thought it would be funny to make a quick little little comment on it. And this it didn't just just fade right off. She didn't think anything of it, but unfortunately, over a thousand other people thought about it. They thought about her comment and felt that they needed to stop what they were doing and make sure to let her know what they felt about her and her comment. Okay, so for the audience, if you can do us a favor, K Mac, and uh kind of just revisit that time where you were just scrolling around on a Sunday afternoon and and you happened upon this post and you so innocently made a certain comment. Could you kind of walk us through that?

SPEAKER_01 6:24

And girl, I was just minding my black-owned business. That's it. Minding my business. So there's this Bay Area creator named I Am Saucy, who's from the Bay, like I just said. And he's so funny. I love him. He cracks me up. I love like his style of comedy definitely matches up with my sense of humor, right? So I love his post. And he had just made a funny post saying, you know, he was acting like he was on a show, and he was talking about this something that he suffers from called OLW, and it stood for only liking white women, right? And he's giving like he's giving scenarios. He was like, I went to college in Utah, and that's when I knew I developed OLW. And he's giving all these scenarios that were showing him like the symptoms of OLW. And one of them was that he goes into a Dick Sporting Goods and he puts on a pair of Hoka tennis shoes, right? The running shoes. Yeah, yeah. So he's in the Hokas and he's running up and down the aisles in the store. And, you know, it's it's funny, right? And I have a love-hate. Never mind, it's a hate-hate relationship with certain tennis shoes. I don't know. I I I let focus on clouds. I'm saying it. Move on something. And apparently something called Brooks, which I'd never heard of before, but the people that were clapping back at me made sure to let me know about Brooks. So apparently Brooks are ugly as well. But anyways, all three communities coming right at you, along with Sasuke and all of everything. Bring it, bring it. I live for this shit, live for it. So all I said in my comment, all I said, and I'm gonna read it so that I quote it correctly so that I don't, you know, that I don't take anything out of context. All I said was whenever I see a black man in Hocus, it tells me everything I need to know.

SPEAKER_00 8:23

Now, listeners, I do again want to add a disclaimer here. Uh at Moose Wings, we do believe in growth, and sometimes growth comes with art support. Okay. So we are we are in this together because we're all on the same day. We don't need to hate. There we go. Some people think I'm nice. I was getting my nicety on this weekend. Nice tea, or whatever you want to call it. You know, whoever wrote that for Dr. Graham.

SPEAKER_01 8:52

Right. Dr. Dre probably wrote it for oh yeah, I don't know. Okay, so Jay. All I said, I didn't even I didn't even go hard, and you know I could go super hard. I didn't go hard. All I said is when I see a black man in Hokas, that always tells me what I need to know. Did I ever say what it is?

SPEAKER_00 9:07

I mean, it doesn't say anything other than It doesn't say anything. Here's an invite to get in my ass. That is what your your whole statement said. Here's an invite to get in my ass. Taken number one, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 9:22

No, what it tells me is that men that wear hokas are exactly not my type of guys because they're sensitive as phu. It's just, you know what I mean? Like it's just, it's just orthopedic foam. We don't have to fall out behind some orthopedic foam. And listen, if I see you in some shoes that look like they should come with a referral to the podiatrist, then listen, I'ma say something. Period. So let me just tell you some of the shit these people are saying. They are so mad at me, right? So this guy, I tap 88, right? And I'm I'm I'm giving out names. All right. So this one one guy, his handle is ITAP 88. He said, Hold on, ain't no hoka slander will be tolerated, lol. Which I I put a heart back. I'm like, okay, I'm not mad at that. And also, what I'm not mad at either is how some men are on here, like, listen, I work at a hospital and I wear these for work. And I did that, okay, listen, let me let me give this disclaimer. If you are working a job that's about to pay you a check, and it's required that you wear these on the job, then by all means, get your money. Get that money, and then when you get your check, buy you some Jordans. But until then, you wear your hokas on the job. I'm not mad at you for that. I am not mad at you for that. So, Dr. 77 Brown, who at my back said, Hokas are the ugliest shoes ever. That's that's a real one right there. That's a G right there.

SPEAKER_02 10:47

Next to Unclide.

SPEAKER_01 10:52

They're like neck and net. Or arch and arch. Let's say. Arch and arch. Support and support. Okay, so this other guy, I am Don Wolf. He wrote, You know how many black women wear those? Laughy face, laughing face, laughing face, laughing face. Stop it, sis. So to you, I am Don Wolf. No, I don't know how many black women wear those because none of the black women that I know wear hocus. So I have no idea. And guess what? I don't want to know. I don't think a lot because I feel like my sisters are fashionable. I feel like my sisters are killing the game, and they're not doing that in Hokusville.

SPEAKER_02 11:29

They're not.

SPEAKER_01 11:30

But you did get some calls from sisters too, didn't you? I did. I wanted to find this one, and she straight up said. So surprising, right? I know. My husband wears Hokas and I wear Sacroni, and we're fine. Well, guess what, sis? Wasn't talking to you, was I? Just want to be in everything. Just gotta be in everything. No one was talking to you, sis. I specifically said a man, and I still didn't say what it tells me. Maybe a man in Hokas, maybe that could tell me when I see a black man in Hokus, that tells me everything I need to know. Maybe that everything could be this is a working man. He got a job. Right. Maybe it could be, maybe this could been, hey, this is a dad right here. These are some suburban dad shoes. He's a dad. People depend on him. He's respectable, a pillar of our community. You don't know what I said it was telling you. You just, in your sensitivity, was like, hocus, you're judging me because I weren't hookers. Now that's true. I am judging the fuck out of you because you got some hookahs on. But didn't mean I don't like you.

SPEAKER_02 12:32

I'm just saying it tells me what it means to know.

SPEAKER_00 12:34

Everybody wants to be Ralph Trazman, but nobody wants to be Ralph Trazman. You know what I'm saying? Just saying. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 12:41

This other guy had the audacity to tell me that then you must not be very fit. And I was like, see, almost says I'm real life.

SPEAKER_00 12:49

Much for my pearls. I was like, I'm about as good as your mama. How about that? Did you get a chance to look at his profile? Because I'm pretty sure, because those types of comments come from a certain breed. And we know what kind of breed that is.

SPEAKER_01 13:01

I did look at his profile. All it had was a picture of a foot. Now I will say this. For him to be a man, he had a very nice foot. I was like, okay, you're good to pedicure, taking care of yourself. Got it. Yeah, it looks good.

SPEAKER_00 13:12

Well, but it was just a- Apparently, he really cares for his feet and the support in which you just literally just came for him. So I guess I get it. I guess he wanted to let you know that, you know, uh Arch support is is is important in society today, you know. I I get it.

SPEAKER_01 13:29

I guess so.

SPEAKER_00 13:31

So one official girls, so I totally understand, but no one ever told me to wear hokas, though. You know, they just said, stop wearing hokas.

SPEAKER_01 13:38

Are you going to?

SPEAKER_02 13:40

Yeah. What? Are you going to wear hokas?

SPEAKER_00 13:43

No, I'm going to wear my Lamonica twos. I'm going to wear my Lamonica twos like I always do. Shout out. No Lamonica. Silly of me.

SPEAKER_01 13:52

So this is why I should probably say this too. I don't mean no harm. I clown all types of shoes because I do clown you about those Lamonicas. I clown you about them quite often. And then end up buying you some Nikes because I wanted you to get rid of the Lamonicas, right? Am I right?

SPEAKER_02 14:05

And I love them.

SPEAKER_00 14:07

I've worn them, but they just are not as comfortable as my Lamonica's and my Lamonica twos. And this is. And for everyone who knows what a Lamonica is, okay? They're actually co-wellers or something. I don't know. I never wear any brand name, and it really, really, really chaps K-Max Hyde. And she's like, we're getting ready. She's like, ah, you going out with those? I said, yes, I am, bitch. And she's like, great.

SPEAKER_01 14:30

Who could? And I thought that if she really wanted some nice titties, I'll buy her some tinnies and she can wear those, and that'd be cute. Some cute little naked with a pink swoop. Nope, she still wears little moments.

SPEAKER_00 14:42

You can't shame me out of comfort like a motherfucker.

SPEAKER_01 14:45

You can't do it. Apparently, you can't shame these men out of it either. So, okay, so Charlie McNarly said, Laugh out loud. I'm a big who? What? Charlie McNarly. Okay. I like his name. I do. Charlie McNarly. He said, laugh out loud. I'm a big man and I work in healthcare. I must, with all caps, where hokas are suffer when I get home from work. And that's why I'm saying, Charlie, I'm not mad at you. You get that paycheck. You get it. But when I see you on the weekends, better Adam J's on. I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_00 15:15

But oh you gotta get a paycheck. He walk on the side, he walk on his on the sides. That's why. He do the side bend and the shoes be all just busted up on the sides. No, I'm saying, so the hokas allow it to balance out and provide the correct support. So I get it. I told you, because you know what? My ass walks sideways sometimes, you know? At that little toe. I know. It's my hip.

SPEAKER_01 15:39

So I'm gonna read a couple more. Um this guy, I think it's JLy77. He says, smiley face, yo, stop. I love my hoca's and my newbie and queens. And I love you for that. But are the newbie and queens loving you back with them hokus on? I'm just saying. I'm just saying. It's all love.

SPEAKER_02 15:58

I mean no harm.

SPEAKER_00 15:59

You know, you're actually coming with the real nice ones. I've so I've come across we've had conversations and we've had some crude ones come across there as well, which made absolutely no sense because we're here for fun, light-hearted, joking. No, we're not here to actually really make fun of someone. It's just to make someone laugh. But these people took it seriously and and like they're kind of for you.

SPEAKER_01 16:25

And I'm like, I didn't know that orthopedic shoes were this triggering. Like, I really didn't. People were triggered. Some folks, and you know, my my first instinct was to get on them real tough. I like making boys cry. But then I said, you know what? No, I'm gonna be easy. I'm gonna be so I took you would have been so proud of me. I took the honorable way. There was one gentleman, and I don't have my notes right now to even give out his name. But he said some crazy stuff about, I can't remember and I don't want to get it wrong, but whatever it was, I ended up going to his page, like, damn, that's a lot of hate for someone that what I wasn't even talking to you, homie. I don't even know you. Two, I never said what it told me. And if you got a closet full of hopus, then just say that. I mean, like, if you're I don't even know. So, anyways, so I went to his page and I found out that he, well, I found out I saw him there he had just graduated and got an advanced degree. And I was just like, you know what? I said what I said.

SPEAKER_02 17:23

And I'll say it's a good one. Was it an advanced degree in podiatry? Facts, right? I don't know. Was it in Dr.

SPEAKER_00 17:32

Schultz? I don't I don't understand why he was so still. That gave me no understanding.

SPEAKER_01 17:38

He got a doctorate in Dr. Scholes. That's how funny. Go. I don't know. I don't know what it was, but I know that he was defending these hokas like it was his little cousin. Like he was on it. So I just went to his page. I mean, I didn't go to I mean, I went to his page, I saw that he had graduated, I went to his comment and I just said, listen, I said what I fucking said, and I say it again. But I see that you just graduated. Congratulations on a job well done. You have a prosperous year. It's not that serious, dude. It's just a little foam. Just a little foam and cushion, not that serious. But I mean, fuck you.

SPEAKER_02 18:13

Laughing for life.

SPEAKER_01 18:14

Pretty much. Pretty much, yeah. Pretty much. So yeah, some of So it was just like a whole thing. People were really, really pressed about me not liking Hocus. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 18:25

Well, that was invigorating. It's nothing like some hate to get your day started. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 18:32

So I mean, you, I was just saying my piece. She would have thought I slandered their mama. Like they were going hard in the paint. It's not that serious, guys. It's not this is what I was saying. So I was talking to my dear friend who has a pair of hokas. That was my first time I'd ever seen Hokas, and he was like, Well, the lady that sold them to me was really pretty, and she said that these were really good running shoes, and they would change everything about the way that I run. So I got them, and I was like, Okay. And then after that, I started seeing them everywhere. Like, but I was seeing them like on old white men, and I was like, oh, okay. And then you have a friend who was wearing the OCs, and I was like, what's happening? Because you know, I clown people's shoes. So I was clowning him, like, dude, what are those? And he was like, These are the most comfortable shoes you will ever see in your entire life. I was like, okay, well, it's all good. Then you tell me.

SPEAKER_00 19:20

And what's funny is that both of these people have been long time uh shoe heads. I mean, you can sneaker heads with one single, one single crease in their freaking Air Forces. Any type of shoe that they had, my husband has shoes from 1993. People, he pull them out and like, oh my god, you got the retros. We're all well, I actually got the originals. Don't don't quote me and don't come for me, Hoka community. Uh there, I was thinking there was like an age, right? That when you start to graduate into those types of shoes. But um, obviously in the workforce, you can be of any age to wear it, or if you just enjoy it because you're a runner or a sprinter or a Hoka earl. So, you know, power tool.

SPEAKER_01 20:05

Do you? Yeah. And leave it. Do not left me alone. You know what I mean? Like, you can't, you don't know me, right? Like, you can't get caught up on because I listen, I have a sense of humor. I got jokes, okay? Apparently, y'all got feelings, I got jokes. It's all good. Don't even worry about what I'm saying. If I see you in real life and you have them on, I'm gonna clown you again and we'll just do that until forever. I have a sense of humor. I feel like you all should have one too. So just lighten up, okay?

SPEAKER_00 20:32

Right. It's all fun and games until you roll up with two bunions. I call you Paul Bunyan in a second. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 20:39

I don't, and listen, and uh, and let me just say this too. I don't care who you date. I don't care about your your preference for whatever your preference is. I could care less. I got a husband, and he don't wear focus. So I don't care. Do what y'all want to do. I'm just that was just my me having fun. That's all.

SPEAKER_00 20:58

Anyways, cheers. Cheers. Or speaking of more internet beasts, that was more of what I was trying to get to uh with this particular episode, and I'll make it really quick. I just wanted to kind of just let you know and the listeners know that this is an ongoing trend. It is something that started city by city, caught on, and now ever almost every city has one. It's called, are we dating the same guy?

SPEAKER_01 21:24

That type of are we dating the same guy, sis?

SPEAKER_00 21:27

Yes, I'm in that group on Northern California Facebook. Yeah, it started small. But now, I mean, there are so many of them. And I just wanted to kind of go over. Yes, a couple of just little things that just stood out to me in this particular one. I'm trying to go down the rabbit hole. It's just too much. And there's like lawsuits go pending because of defamation. Men are suing because they're saying that that you know it affected their jobs. Men are so sensitive. Of course they're suing. They're probably the ones that wear hokas. They were wearing hokas. Ones that are suing said Timothy McMuffin was wearing hokas during the time that he walked into the uh courtroom to file his injunction. So one story this one went viral in multiple city groups. Why? Because the woman posted Is anyone else dating this man? And another woman competent commented. Yes. Why? Well, the timeline revealed that he celebrated a one-year anniversary with two different women. Same restaurant, same photo pose, same captions, two different weekends. Well, you know what? If you think about it, if you're gonna be playing double agent, why not keep it the same? Date the person with the same name, then you're you're set because you were never gonna get caught because you're everything that if your your memory of everything you've done, other than the conversations, maybe. Yeah. It's kind of ingenious until you got caught. Wait.

SPEAKER_01 22:57

But wait, you said same captain, so he was actually posting pictures of his one-year anniversary with the two different chicks on like his socials?

SPEAKER_00 23:04

I'm sure he had two different socials, obviously, because obviously they couldn't catch that. And then the two women caught it and was like, wait a minute. Risky. That is so no, did you fact check this story? Because that is risky AF. Oh, there are so many more fact-check stories. Just listen to this one here. But what about this? Story number two? A pose asked, has anybody dated him? The reply was yes, but careful. Then he told me his dad died. The other said, he told me his dad died too. And he said, he also told me his mom died. Same man. Three women, three dead relatives. Comment section, the family resurrects fast because all of them were not dead. Oh shit. Because I was gonna say, well, they could be dead. I mean, you could have a dead mom and a dead dad. Well, those are three women in three different again. Why didn't you just say it was your grandma all three times? Keep it consistent. Consistency is key if you're gonna go ahead and run with something like that. But men, you know, men with hokas, they don't have the greatest decision-making skills. So this is what happened. Let me move on to story number three. So the Venmo detective. A woman posted, he says he's single, but never stays overnight. Another woman commented, he stays at my place, then he says he stays at my place, and he's like, not in my house. Then someone dropped Venmo screenshots with recurring payments labeled rent. Turns out he was living with one woman, dating two others, splitting groceries, and the comments are meaning, yeah, he's not cheating, he's just budgeting.

SPEAKER_01 24:37

Yes, I heard that. But the one woman saying he's always like he can't spend the night in Netherlands, like, that's because he lives with me, bitch. And here's the demo showing that he's paying rent. Exactly. Is that what you're telling me?

SPEAKER_00 24:50

I am telling you this. I am telling you this like this. And I love it where I love it when a story comes with receipts. Because when you don't have receipts, like you say, how do you know if it's true? I mean, it could been made up as well. It could have been receipts from another said person. Could have made that up. With AI, you can do anything you want to, but I think these guys are not as uh as internet savvy as they think they are. Savvy and caught up. So um, story number four. We have city to city rotation. Yes, I said city to city because it was city to city, me and Libiddy.

SPEAKER_02 25:23

Get your toilet paper because it's gonna get shitty.

SPEAKER_00 25:30

So this was rightly discussed online in a press coverage. A man appeared in the NYC group, a Chicago group, and a Miami group. Same photos, same job title, same opening line. I travel a lot for work. And he did, just not for work. TikTok reaction videos, blah blah, and women start calling him the regional manager of lies. That was a good one. That was good, the regional manager of lies. But here's the thing, though. We have the downloads, we have the DLs, we have all these things happening. These men are flying and doing things in different cities. They're probably the ones that fly out to the countries and do their little things and then come back with the diseases, and then they're living this uh this second or third life while having a full-on fucking family?

SPEAKER_01 26:20

That's what's crazy. And having herpes and incurable gynerhe and late Dick is not that good. Dick is not that good, Kate. My God. Come on. It don't make any sense. Dick is pretty amazing, but I mean, but I don't I don't want it that bad. I mean, you can always find some good kind. It doesn't have to come with all that baggage. God damn it. Exactly. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 26:47

Good dick, but bad dick? Or multi-home dick, I don't know, rented dick, I don't know what kind of dick it is, but it's some dick shit.

SPEAKER_01 26:54

Whatever that is, keep that dick away from me. That's right. Right. See dick run.

SPEAKER_00 27:00

So, story number five: the lawsuit that made headlines. Several men publicly filed lawsuits against group members and admins claiming defamation and reputational harm. In one reported case, a man claims posts in the group harmed his business. He argued accusations were false, and it became national news. That's when the debate shifted from girl code to legal code. And that's your pivot to when is it too much, right? Or is it just somebody hating and really trying to ruin a person's life because maybe they were jilted, they were scorned, you know? But you can't be now. I think that when you're on this site, you do have to cross your T's, dot your I's, because you never know that if it's just another person in there wanting to ruin your relationship and never once knowing this person. But it seems like these people are coming from seats and they're having those conversations in the back end and they're coming to their own conclusions and uh finding out that this guy really is a piece of shit.

SPEAKER_02 28:03

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:04

I mean, I feel like if you're going to be, if you are the woman that is slandering and, or should I say lying, just lying on a man to ruin his life, then I feel like you're not gonna probably go the distance. So if for instance, if that man gets a lawyer and he's trying to take you to court and all that, I feel like if you were lying and making up some shit, you would kind of find a way to bow out of that. You're like, oh fuck, I gotta go to a court and you know. But if you're standing 10 tones down and you're like, get a lawyer, bitch. Like you, I know what you did to me, then I feel like it's you're probably telling the truth. You're probably you know what I mean. This man probably really did some harm.

SPEAKER_00 28:40

I know. Well, these groups are basically Yelp for men, but with screenshots. And you know, dating apps connect you. Facebook verifies you. Check mark. So I'm just saying, there's so many God. See, Facebook and Instagram, I believe even TikTok allows you to create multiple personas online as long as you're over 13, right? Yeah. So you could be whomever you want to. And now, with the deep faking and all the AI, it it's gonna go crazy all over the place now. Okay, okay, we've reached this part of the episode where I wanted to kind of give you a little rapid-fire quiz. I'm gonna give you a scenario. You yell out if you think it's a red flag or just messy. And then kind of give me a little, I'm telling you why you said it, what you said, okay? All right. Let's do this.

SPEAKER_01 29:29

Okay, first one. He still follows the Zix. Well, okay, is Messi and red flag kind of the same thing? Give me a definition.

SPEAKER_00 29:37

Like messy is just red flag is cut him out. Messi is like, oh, am I being messy? Am I being messy because I'm just, you know, we're in a relationship. Should I be so it's like a him or her, right? You or him.

SPEAKER_01 29:51

I don't know. I don't necessarily think it's a red flag, unless if it's bothered you and you said to him, do not follow her anymore, and he still does, then it becomes a red flag. Okay. People have that like that. I mean, I don't necessarily mean that, you know. Okay. You like that?

SPEAKER_00 30:08

I I like that too. Okay, well, he says he doesn't like labels. Ooh, that's a red flag to me. Red flag, I think so too. He likes options.

SPEAKER_02 30:18

Yeah, why why the fuck?

SPEAKER_01 30:20

You're one of twelve. Isn't my virginer a label? You like that, right? So you do like labels.

SPEAKER_00 30:27

He does like labels. For sure. Next.

SPEAKER_01 30:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 30:30

Scenario number three. He hasn't posted you and says he's private.

SPEAKER_01 30:35

I don't like that at all. That goes red flag, too. Yeah. Well, I guess it depends. I can't just it depends. If you guys are just like three months in, then okay, I can kind of get that. He may not be ready to do all that right now. But if y'all are in a good seven years into it and 12 kids later, uh this is your right, this is your baby mama, like you guys are about to have a child or you have a child, or it's been longer than a year. I feel like at that point, come on.

SPEAKER_00 31:03

Yeah, is he private or is he just selectively private?

SPEAKER_01 31:07

You know?

SPEAKER_00 31:08

But yeah. Okay. All right. How about this? He says his last three relationships ended because the women were crazy.

SPEAKER_01 31:17

No, red flag. All the way. No, and lacks accountability. You did something. You did something.

SPEAKER_00 31:24

Because if everyone else is crazy, the math is mathing. You know what I'm saying? Judge Mathis. So, okay, we're good. Scenario number five. He double texts you after you don't respond.

SPEAKER_01 31:37

He double texts you? So if he's like, Where are you? and you don't respond, and he texts us again and says, Where are you? Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 31:45

And then he puts a low jacket in the bottom of your car and show happens to show up at the same funeral that you said you were gonna be in Wisconsin.

SPEAKER_01 31:53

Listen, I like a little bit of a little bit of that possession with Jesse. I like just a tad bit of it. Not crazy, but just a little bit enough to let everybody know that I'm yours. So I'm not mad. Double text all you want. I'm gonna look at my phone, I'm like I've never seen this shit.

SPEAKER_00 32:08

I like it, Brittany Spears. You see I'm crazy? I got you crazy. I got you crazy.

SPEAKER_02 32:15

That bitch is crazy.

SPEAKER_00 32:16

I'm just saying I've been trying to tell y'all from day one. Yeah, so it's it's it's not it's anxiety, it's not messy. I think it's just he just kind of wants to know where you're at. Maybe he missed it. But I mean he continues to do it and it makes you feel a little weird, then then that's up to you. But if you you like a little bit of that, then you can't.

SPEAKER_01 32:35

And I feel like if that's your man, if you guys are casually dating and he's doing that, then that might be a bit of a red flag flag. But if this is your man, like how uh Method Man says, I'm gonna shoot up the club for you. Wait a minute, what? You gonna shoot up the club for me.

SPEAKER_02 32:51

Right? Wait. Well, what about if he only texts you after 10 30?

SPEAKER_01 32:56

Red flag. That's a straight up booty call. Don't don't do anything like that. No.

SPEAKER_00 33:00

I agree, because I feel daylight hours are for girlfriends or wives and you know uh and significant others. And sluts that you know that are booty calls.

SPEAKER_02 33:12

It's three o'clock in the morning. You know what I'm saying? Well Okay.

SPEAKER_00 33:17

All right, here we go with this one. What do you think about this? He says he travels for work constantly, but never posts where?

SPEAKER_01 33:24

Regional manager of lies.

SPEAKER_00 33:26

Regional manager of lies. Is he Delta Diamond or is he just lying?

SPEAKER_01 33:30

I mean, you could post why I mean you don't need to if it's going for work, you wouldn't put all what you're on there for work or like you wouldn't do all that anyway though, right?

SPEAKER_00 33:39

That's true. But I guess he doesn't have to post it. But I as long as he's telling you, right, where he's at. If he's telling you that.

SPEAKER_01 33:47

Okay, so I would think that's just if I'm at work Well, but if I'm traveling for work and then afterwards I'm going out for night light and stuff, night life and things, I may not want to post that either. I want my co-workers to know that they were all asleep after the conference and I was out in the club or you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 34:01

So I work Okay, well then he what about this? He tells you his dad died, and someone else comments, he said that last year too. But you could have two dads. You could have two dads. In fact, you got three dads, you could have as many dads as you want to in this world.

SPEAKER_01 34:17

Or you could get a detective friend like myself, and I'll find his dad, where he was buried, who was the casket manufacturer, what they buried him in, his birthday, his dad, and where his dad is buried. We just do a little detective work, that's all.

SPEAKER_00 34:35

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SPEAKER_01 34:44

You know I will. I'll have it by noon.

SPEAKER_00 34:46

I like it. And I've got your money back. I like a timely response, you know? Uh, one of the last scenarios here. You find a toothbrush at its place and it isn't yours. Or tampons. Or that would be awkward. Toothbrushes, I can see as like, I mean, I have a guest room downstairs and I have guest toothbrushes all the time. But I mean, if the used one is actually sitting inside the actual dedicated spot right next to you, his?

SPEAKER_01 35:10

But that's because you have a guest room at your house. If you are a single person, there is no guest room. Why are we finding toothbrushes or tampons or ladies' items like a cup or a glass or I don't know, I don't know. But why are we finding remnants of feminine things at your house if you have no guest room and you're the only one there? I mean, what in the two wrong thing happened in here? You know what I'm saying? But he but see, this is the thing. How do you even ask him? Because then he could be like, oh, that was from my mom, or or that was my sister's, or my little baby cousin was here, and these are her things. Or you know what I mean? So I would say, use your instincts, ladies. Use your instincts, believe your gut. If it feels like it doesn't, it doesn't belong there that he's lying to you, then chances are he probably is. God gave us this intuition that is out of this world. Use it. True that. True that.

SPEAKER_00 36:04

Okay, ready for this one?

SPEAKER_01 36:06

He says he's single, but won't FaceTime you at night. So for a woman, I would think I wouldn't want to FaceTime anyone at night because you know, one of me and one of my girlfriends, we talk about this often, like our go-to-bed routines. Like we got shit on our face and bonnets on our heads, and scarves, and makeups off. And so, you know, you don't want to see anybody at night. But I would think for a man, less complicated.

SPEAKER_00 36:25

Yeah, men, they look the god dang the same from morning to night. They look exactly the same. What would you not be able to FaceTime me for?

SPEAKER_01 36:33

Yeah, I agree. I totally agree.

SPEAKER_00 36:35

You I mean, you may want some one-on-one face sexy time. You may want to do some of that. How can you, right? Um, someone's in that house. I say that's a red flag. Someone is in the house. Maybe it's his mama. Henry, why is that girl's kitty is showing on our camera?

SPEAKER_01 36:55

Weird. Well, the mom is the mom's Filipino?

SPEAKER_02 36:59

Why am I yelling so much, Henry?

SPEAKER_01 37:01

Why did you just slip right into that accent?

SPEAKER_02 37:04

No.

SPEAKER_01 37:05

But even if it is the mom, the mother should be in her own bedroom, right? And he's in his own bedroom. Yeah, red flag, red flag. The red is the flags.

SPEAKER_00 37:13

Okay. Well, wait, wait, wait. One more, one more then. He says you're doing too much.

SPEAKER_01 37:17

No, nigga, maybe you're not doing enough. Do not let anybody dim your shine. Yeah, mm-mm. You're not doing enough. Don't let anybody dim your shine. You do all the much you want to do. You do it to the top of much island. To the top of much mountain. And when you get there, climb another 30 feet. Do as do I hate that. I resent that shit. Do not dim me.

SPEAKER_00 37:41

Don't dim my light. This ain't Mal Sue.

SPEAKER_01 37:45

Don't think you can dim my light.

SPEAKER_00 37:47

Well, I mean, I thought that was quite interesting to hear because we obviously, with through experience, through our relationships that we've gone through. Uh, we are uh women who have been in a dedicated relationship for over 30 years. We see it from a different perspective. Looking at younger women right now going through this, I feel horrible that you have to go through this. Going through things. And again, back in the day in the 80s and 90s, this shit happened kind of more in private. Now we have people gossiping, but it was that small town gossip. Your information is being spread out through countries now because it is now on the net and it does not die. And let's say, and you know, the main things I always hate is when women andor men put all of their relationship information out there and just talk so badly about that person the next week, they are all in the background, and you're right back with them. But what's sad is maybe it's been 30 years. That video is still there that you've done that. So um, I think it's the people who are who don't know you, we're the worst critics. We're the worst critics of you, right? And now it's on the internet. And the person that you have loved and everything has already forgiven you five years ago. But let me come across that post. I will talk shit about your ass and about your on clouds and about your fallen arches. I talk about it all.

SPEAKER_01 39:05

Especially if you're a grudge holder, which unfortunately I very much am. So if you, if he did something awful to you five years ago, don't tell me because I'm gonna hate that person for the, especially me. I'm such a protector, like just naturally, of my friends, of my family, of my people. Anyone that knows me knows that I am your protector. And if you tell me that someone did something bad to you, I don't give a shit if it's been 20 years. I'm gonna hate that person for the rest of my life. So don't do that. Just don't tell me. If you plan on getting back with this person, don't tell me. Don't tell me a person right now. Exactly. There is a person right now that knows there will never be any get back.

SPEAKER_00 39:47

Yeah. Uh-oh, you made a mistake. You shouldn't have said that. Now you want them back in your life and you want me to be all chummy chummy with them and have dinner with them. I don't believe so. Yeah. I don't think that's gonna happen. I'll be it'll be a hot day in Hoka Hell wearing no shoes and shit for you, right? She's saying.

SPEAKER_01 40:02

Girl, you better be careful. They're about to come for you now. It's a whole Hokka crew out there. They're hard.

SPEAKER_00 40:06

They're like the beehive. They're not giving up. I can take, I can take them in my Lamonica twos. I'll be getting my ass out now. My shoes, my bust, and mile too, because they're just like cheaply made, but I'm gonna give a shit. They're comfortable on my wide feet.

SPEAKER_01 40:17

That's what I'm saying. Don't come for me in them hocus, because I'm gonna have all my Nike boot. I'm gonna stomp your ass out in them. Not in the Hokus, though. You're just gonna you're gonna rock back and forth in those bitches.

SPEAKER_00 40:27

Yes. Oh my god, K Mac. That was just so fun to talk about because sometimes it's just nice to look on the internet and laugh and say, hey, somebody else got worse than me. So that's what makes your makes your day go on. And I can sleep, see soundly. But I do have one thing before I end with this, and this is actually for the listeners, if if you don't mind as one say, you know, besties, if you can help us grow, if you've laughed, gasped, or sent this episode to your friend chat, just do us a favor. Please hit subscribe, like this video, leave a comment, and even just Moose Feams Gang can help this algorithm. Just share with one friend. And if you really rock with us, then we have a donation link that's on our Buzz Sprout show notes. Every dollar goes right back into the production and keeps this show independent. And don't forget, we're also Amazon affiliates. So everything we show or talk about is linked below so you can shop and support us at no cost. So let's reach some masses together.

SPEAKER_01 41:28

That's right. Yeah. All right. I think that's great. I think that's great. I'm gonna I'm gonna link my 30-inch ponytail for the affiliate link. Cause yes.

SPEAKER_00 41:40

Yes. So that would be our first link here on this show. If you're interested in uh the ponytail that K Mac is wearing, she looks awesome. War to Nini. She wore it the weekend she was out here and she got so many.

SPEAKER_01 41:52

That was a different ponytail. That was a different one. That was my bubble ponytail.

SPEAKER_00 41:56

Well, both of them. I'll link that one for two. This is different. Thank you so much, Kate, for it's always been a pleasure. I know we have we always can steal away a little bit of time in the day so that we can connect and have these conversations. But I know we are still wives, mothers, got things to do. But for this hour that we're together, I am totally just with my best friend in another world, and nothing else seems to exist until we say cut and we're back to our regular lives. So with that, I just want to say cheers to UK. I love you so much. Cheers. Love UK. Watch out for the hockey. Cheers, quick, quick, click, cheers, click, click, click.