Off Stage and On Duty

Thriving in the Chaos with Sarah Nino

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What does it really look like to thrive—not just survive—in the middle of the beautiful chaos of touring life?

In this episode of Offstage & On Duty, we're sitting down with our friend Sarah Nino, a touring wife, mom of four (with baby number five on the way!), and someone who has spent the last decade navigating the unique rhythms of marriage, motherhood, and life while her husband is consistently on the road.

Sarah doesn't pretend to have it all figured out, but she shares the practical wisdom, perspective, and grace she's gained through years of embracing this unconventional lifestyle. Together, we talk about raising children while your spouse is away, building healthy routines, protecting your marriage, finding joy in the everyday chaos, and learning to let go of perfection.

Whether you're in the thick of diapers and school drop-offs, counting down the days until your spouse comes home, or simply looking for encouragement from someone who's walked this road before, this conversation will remind you that you're not alone—and that thriving is possible, even in the busiest seasons.

Grab a cup of coffee and join us for an honest conversation full of laughter, encouragement, and hope.

In this episode, we discuss:

  • Life as a touring family
  • Raising children while your spouse is on the road
  • Finding joy in the middle of the chaos
  • Building rhythms that actually work
  • Protecting your marriage through busy seasons
  • Letting go of perfection and embracing grace
  • Encouragement for Stage Wives and touring families

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SPEAKER_03

Hello, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Offstage and On Duty. I'm your host, Rai. And I'm your host, Ray. And today we have our new friend, Sarah. Everybody say hi. Hi, Sarah. We did not plan that. Well, that's the beauty of this podcast. We never do. Okay, so I was jealous a few weeks ago because Ray got to have coffee with this amazing stage wife named Sarah. And Sarah, you've been married for 10 years. Yes. And you have four kids with another one on the way. Congratulations. Yeah, seriously.

SPEAKER_00

Another, another little stage kid coming in October.

SPEAKER_03

Yes, yes. But I just, we are a collector of people, and we are a collector of people who have done this lifestyle well. And we want to hear your story, how you make it work in the chaos. Like you have a lot of joy on your face and in your life, and you come across as somebody who no one has it all together. You know what I'm saying? But like you're it feels like you're thriving in this lifestyle. So uh hey, how's it going? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

And what's your secret? I love it. Oh man. I mean, I feel like we could we could get it deep, right? But the main secret is like it's not all together. Like I'm laughing at the context of that, with like, especially this week, it's just been like madness. Caleb got home from a week and a half long trip, and it's been a lot of like up and down and all around. And just yeah. How old are your kiddos? Um, so my oldest is eight, and then we have six, four, two, and then this baby's due in October. Oh, yeah. So they're all pretty. And we have four girls, and then we're having a boy. He's gonna be so loved. Oh, he's gonna be the baby doll. Like, oh yeah, yeah, this poor kid. Wow.

SPEAKER_00

Yes. He's gonna grow up with like glitter and stick-on tattoos, probably permanently.

SPEAKER_04

Yes, for sure. And dress up baby doll clothes on him. Yeah, I'm already seeing it. That feels like really great planning. Like they're all evenly spanked. You know what's funny though? It wasn't like at all. Everybody says that. They're like, you're all the two apart. And we pretty much were like when we started having kids, we were like, we're just gonna have kiddos. Yeah. And then truthfully, like this baby is very loved, but this fifth one was very surprising. So we were like four, we're done. Like, my youngest feels like the youngest. We were so settled. And then in February, I was like, no, no way. Oh so now we're very excited. But I never really thought I'd have five kids. So, you know, here we are, especially with this life. Like, it's just wild with him traveling so much and we live away from family. It's like, now let's throw a newborn into all of it. Where are you guys uh from originally? Arizona. Arizona, okay, yeah, and all our families there. So that's been, yeah, that's the biggest thing. Like it's definitely been better job wise and Caleb's home more often, but support-wise, it's been really hard. Yeah, yeah, especially with five kids. Yeah, it's madness.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Pure madness all the time. Yeah. You're definitely outnumbered, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_04

For sure. Yeah. Yeah. They help a lot. I feel like, especially having they're not that old, but like my six and eight-year-old are awesome. Like they'll go get things, they'll do stuff.

SPEAKER_00

They they tend to be very independent.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Well, and I feel like when you have multiple, like the younger usually grows up a little faster because they see their older sibling, and so then they like you have like another little trainer. Yes. To pass on the knowledge. Yes.

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SPEAKER_00

Okay, so Caleb is your husband's name. Yes. And what does he do on the road?

SPEAKER_04

So Caleb is a well, he's in lighting world, and he does anything from an LD to an Emmy to a tech to a crew chief. Pretty much whatever hat needs to be worn, he will wear it. Okay. He wears them all pretty well. He did a ton of LDing at the beginning, and he's kind of found his spot in more crew chief front labor land paperwork. Both of us hate. That's been this week. Um, but he's really good at it.

SPEAKER_03

So yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Gee.

SPEAKER_00

Again. Again. I'm that's gonna be happening a lot. It's fine. Story of our lives. It's fine. Great. I love it. Um, so was he touring? You guys have been married for 10 years, but how long have you guys were you together before 10 years? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

So, well, we were together only like a year and a half, truthfully. We met and got married. I think it was like a year and a half-ish. So it was kind of fast and wild. Um, you know. I know. We did. Honestly, well, that's a whole story. I could get into that or not. But when we first met, I wrote him off big time. Like he's a year younger than me, which doesn't matter. Or two years, year and a half, right? Yeah, yeah. Doesn't matter. But when you're 19 and 21, I was like, oh, you're cute, go away. I was just quiet and shy and awkward. And like, pretty much my first interaction with him, I saw him. He barely looked up. He had hair down to his waist when we met. Oh my god. Oh, yeah. Oh yes. This long curly hair, which was not my thing back then. And he literally like was sitting in the tech booth. I was singing at this thing, and my friend introduced me. He's like, Hey, this is Caleb. He's helping out tonight. And he barely looked up from his hair and just said hi. And looked straight back down. Oh my immediate first thought was like, Wow, you're a weirdo, like major weirdo. Oh my god. But we were in the same friend crew and we hung out all the time, this group of us. And like, I really just thought he was strange. But we were in the same crew, you know? And eventually he started being like, Let me carry your guitar to your car. Like, we're all gonna go hang out. Like, let's go to Denny's. Can I ride with you? And I was like, Yes. But like you little little puppy dog. Yeah. Like, and even my best friend at the time was like, I remember saying, like, should I give him a chance? And she's like, No, no, he's so weird. Like, I had no idea. Oh my god. The long story short, I was recording some songs actually. I needed to do some demos. And him and my friend Nate, who's the one who introduced us, were supposed to help me. And um, you know, we're meeting in our church building. Like, we were gonna set up a little rig, like very DIY situation. And conveniently at the very last minute, our friend Nate couldn't make it. And come to find out later, it was definitely not an accident.

SPEAKER_03

Oh my god, it was very set up.

SPEAKER_04

And I'm over here like, this is gonna be so awkward. Like, I really didn't know him because we just was hung out in like this group of like eight, nine people. Yeah. And we showed up and he set up everything, and it wasn't this like flirty, gushy. We just literally like cracked up the whole time. We had so much fun. Oh, it wasn't awkward at all, it wasn't weird. Like, and I just remember thinking, like, for the first time, we ended up like having a conversation. I was like, Who are you? Like, what's your story? And I was immediately very humbled because it was very, very wrong about him. So that's the long story short.

SPEAKER_00

I love that though. Yes. So that's how we met.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, so we we were both kind of in music tech world together when we met. He then got a job working at a church full-time, and he was on staff as like a production director for eight years. That was the first eight years of our marriage, and then um, it'll it's just about four years ago now that he took the jump from full-time salary safe benefits nine to five to touring.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Um, and that was the best decision we could have made. That's a whole new story.

SPEAKER_00

So honestly, that's what what Hunter and I feel too is like when we made that switch, we were so nervous about it. I mean, you remember we were like it was a it was a whole thing, whole kerfuffle, but kerfuffle. But like it it ended up being fantastic. And there's like, you know, there's ups and downs to it. Like insurance is super high, and you know, taxes and all that like retirement, retirement, all those campaigns, yeah. Savings, gross, gross, gross, gross, gross. But it in reality, like the flexibility of doing that was so nice because, like, if we wanted to prioritize a certain weekend or do things, like he had the ability, at least because production side, you have a little bit more flexibility to say no to a certain gig. Totally. From music side, you have a little bit less flexibility. But yeah, it was so it was so good when we moved to it. Was that transition hard for you guys? Like deciding to go from the safe to the honestly.

SPEAKER_04

No, it was such a long time coming. I think we both fought it for a long time. Like he started to get little opportunities and he'd take like a tiny thing, never like touring, but like a smaller one-off show where somebody would offer him something local. And like I could just see how he thrived. But for both of us, I think there was always this like, ah, that's terrifying, which is so silly, truthfully. Like, anyway, like it's just funny how we think that's safer, like the schedule and all that. Anyway, um reach into the client. Yeah, so yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00

So at the time you okay, so that was like four years ago. So you had two kids at that time, or you had three?

SPEAKER_04

Uh, we had we had just had our fourth. Oh no, we had three. We had three, yes. Um, we had three, and truthfully, again, longer story, but I was in the when we decided to pull the trigger, I was in the thick of like some really serious health trouble, and it did not make sense timing-wise at all for him to be traveling. He had told his boss he probably was gonna leave, and then I got like tanked. Long story, was having like just severe like issues functioning even day to day. And so he went back to his boss like even a couple weeks later and was like, I am leaving, I just don't quite know when, which is not something you want to say, but like, what do you do? And pretty much they gave him the cold children. It was like, you should be gone. Oh no, and it was super disappointing, but at the same time, I think we both knew we needed that like shove. Um, I ended up calling my dad, crying, and I was like, I feel like he's supposed to just do this. He's so like just fulfilled and joyful, but like I feel like I need him here and all this stuff. And my dad, who's so wise, was like, sounds like you need to just take the leap, enjoy the ride. Like, don't worry about it. And truthfully, like again, it took a long time, but everything ironed itself out, and yeah, it was wild at first, but he is so I don't know if Hunter's the same way, or like he's so like invested in his work, and so it's made it possible for him to be like all in when he's traveling, yeah, and then to turn his brain off when he's home. And that's nice. You can't do that with a nine to five.

SPEAKER_00

So yeah, I think like depending at least in the production industry, what I've noticed is like the nine to fives in the production, you can't really turn it off because like it's never done. Yeah. Now, now Hunter just recently took over doing PM stuff as well. So that's a different world. That's a different world because it used to be very much of like that of where he could like really turn it off and then just be focused on home life. Now that he has to do advances and all that, so it yeah, it's a little bit in there, but um, he is very, very good at like focusing through, powing through that, getting it all out, and then being present. But I think it depends on the person too. But yeah, the fact that Caleb can do that is awesome and just an attestment to him as a father, too, be present when he's home.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, it's huge. I feel like it's work for sure to like learn how to do that. Yeah. Um, but it's definitely worth it.

SPEAKER_03

Were you guys in Arizona in the middle of all that? Okay, so when do you make the leap to Nashville?

SPEAKER_04

We moved in 2024. So August will be two years. So we're pretty fresh. Welcome to Nashville. Yeah. And I mean, that's the the pro of that has been that he's able to take like weekend warrior stuff and all those things that keep him home more because he's not traveling long distance, or he just would not take those jobs, truthfully. So anyway, yeah, thank you. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_00

I I do love the Nashville area. It's beautiful, yes. Yeah, it's so funny. And it's really nice too that there's so many people that are in this lifestyle. It's taken forever to find them, you know, up until now. Uh ergo, stagewives.

SPEAKER_04

I listened to your guys' podcast, one of them, and I like the first time I was like, I feel so seen. I feel so understood. Like, I need to know these people.

SPEAKER_00

So well, I'm so glad that you're a part of the community now, too. It's like thank you. Me too. I I just like getting to know the girls and stagewives has been so such a blessing too. Cause like Ryan and I found each other, all of you if you listen to the podcast know the story, but we found each other in 2018 and it's there's not really been groups like this. And so we made one. And we're really excited. If you're listening to this and you resonate with this lifestyle, if you have a spouse who tours, travels, traveling salesperson, doesn't necessarily have to be in the music industry. Yeah, that's true. Is a space for you here, and um, so quick little plug for our socials, but yeah, follow us on Instagram and on Facebook and TikTok occasionally when we're feeling spicy. Um, but it's all at Stagewives, and then we have a private Facebook group called We Are Stagewives, where you can get to know the other Stagewives, find community, set up little meetups and whatnot. And um, yeah, we're also we have a website, uh stagewives.com. And there you can get your new book that we're releasing as well. Lots of new things, but we can talk more about that later. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

But yeah, um, there shall be more plugs.

SPEAKER_00

Follow us. Click like, subscribe. Like and subscribe. Oh, we're on YouTube now, so we should say subscribe.

SPEAKER_03

That's a brand new one. Yeah, actually, we haven't done that plug yet. So that was a that was a good plug.

SPEAKER_00

YouTube. Hey. We are now on on YouTube as well. So uh welcome video. This is what the third video that we had for off stage and on duty.

SPEAKER_03

Yes. Uh-huh. Yep.

SPEAKER_00

Yep. So welcome. Beautiful, beautiful. Bravo. First video guest. Really excited. That was so exciting. So we're really, really pumped. We have attempted in the past and you know, worked out some kinks here and there. But we've got a new set, guys. Tell us what you think about it in the comments. But new couch, it's nice. New couch. Yeah, I'll just nice. But um, back to the matter at hand, Sarah, our lovely Sarah. So, okay, so we are moved to Nashville. You guys have switched to independent life. And uh, what would you say was one of the most difficult things about this lifestyle for you and your husband to kind of navigate through in those 10 years?

SPEAKER_04

Oh gosh. I feel like it's the back and forth because I I know so many have talked about this, but like the going from and learning how to function in him being gone as a family, especially with so many kiddos, you really fall into like such a routine or you just get depressed, frankly. For me, like I I definitely am a little bit more of a how do you just I'm not type A. Like I'm I'm definitely more like fluttery, whatever you want to call it. And so if I function that way when he's gone, I actually go more insane, truthfully. Like I need I need routine, I need structure. Um, because if I'm by myself, I kind of just like shnump, I just get sad, but he's gone. So that's taken a lot of time to learn. But I think the hardest part has been learning how to like navigate the routine, make something work for me and my girls. And then when he comes back home, like us working out how he fits into that and it almost changing while he's home and then changing back. And like that's been the ever going to be, yeah, yeah, like process. I think so.

SPEAKER_00

How do your girls handle that kind of back and forth? Do they do well with it because you have the structure while he's gone? I think it depends.

SPEAKER_04

I so when he's gone for like you know, a week and a half-ish, that feels like the sweet spot. Like they don't this last time they didn't even really ask when is he coming home. When it's longer than that, it definitely starts to be like, when is he coming home? Or if he has like a a day or two home and then leaves again. Those are the hardest for sure. Um, but I do think like when we first started it, when he first jumped into this life, it was really rough. Like it took a long time for them to adjust to him being home. It was or gone rather. It was just always like, where is daddy? Where is daddy? Um, but then I think after a little while, they got used to it too. And so they're used to like when daddy's at home, daddy's home. And when he's gone, he's gone, you know. And um, we try to pick FaceTime and send texts every night and just keep things consistent like that.

SPEAKER_03

So are you a stay-at-home mom with them? Yeah. And are they homeschooled, public school?

SPEAKER_04

They are currently homeschooled. We've kind of been through like a roller coaster journey of school. Yeah, trying to figure out what works for them and works for us. And with Caleb traveling so much and no family support, we definitely considered public school, and there's nothing wrong with that. But the biggest thing was like the lack of flexibility. Yeah. And we didn't want them in school when he was home. Yeah. So they've done kind of like a tutorial type thing, like a couple days in school and then homeschool. That seems to work the best. We're trying out a new thing this fall, um, just to take some load off of me.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. We'll we'll talk off mic about that. I also, it's no secret to our stage wives, but I definitely want to homeschool. And I was not. I I was a public school hooligan. So I don't know what it's like to homeschool or be homeschooled.

SPEAKER_00

But we you and I were also public schooled in a not great area.

SPEAKER_03

So that changes things.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, I'm like outside of St.

SPEAKER_03

Louis and you were like Pine Bluff, Arkansas.

SPEAKER_00

So our experience is probably not the best.

SPEAKER_04

I would I would guess that Tennessee is a bit better. Like where we are, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

The running like scoring system for the education system in Tennessee, depending on where you're at, but where we're at is actually quite a bit better. So I have a little bit more hope for the public school system here. But I've heard good things for sure. I've heard great things. Yeah. But uh yeah, no, I that's one of the things I'm most worried about for my daughter, is that she is going to kindergarten this fall, and the lack of flexibility is definitely gonna be an adjustment. So we'll have to see what end up ends up happening with us. We'll try out at least kindergarten and then see see what happens from there.

SPEAKER_04

But yeah, I think that's the beauty of it, right? Like I think we're told not just in school life with our kids, but just in general, like you have to choose something and stick to it. Yeah. And I think saying, like, hey, we're gonna try this, and if it doesn't work, we're not gonna force it, has been the best thing ever. That's awesome. And so that's why we've had a little bit of everything.

SPEAKER_00

And yeah, you know, it's okay that changes. Um and I feel like uh from the people that we've talked to when we had Lori Phelps, shout out, love you, lady. Love you. Um, she she has changed what they've been doing per kid and what they needed, and that has just been super helpful for her children too. And I think like people, especially with a lot of kids, you just kind of have to shift around based on what's needed at the time.

SPEAKER_03

Uh it gives me a headache trying to balance that and figure it out. Like, just because I only have one. Yeah, you know what I mean? And I come from a small family, so I'm just like, what do you mean that it shifts with every kid and that you have to like balance all of these? Whereas Benj, he comes from a really big family. He's one of six. Okay. And so, and they're all so great. Like, we just came back from his family's house, and there's so there's a million, and they're all amazing. Like, how is this possible? But it does, it gives me hope that it is possible. And watching you do it, and knowing that you obviously, Sarah, have a lot of kiddos, but there's a few stagewives that I'm thinking of that have like five and up children that do this and do it really well. Whenever we're, you know, asking you to come on the podcast just to talk about how do you do this in the chaos, and how do you find the peace in it and do it so well. So I'm curious to know like what are some routines that you've got in place with your kiddos whenever he's gone and like stuff that you do to make this work? Cause you honestly, you sound like Ray and I, yeah, in the sense of like type more a little type B and like well, loosey goosey, like totally. Yeah. But I also understand the whenever you're in stress, it's like, no, I need control over this situation. Actually, like right now. Like I had a the yesterday was a terrible day for me. And then I immediately went into must have control, must fix, must find the solution, must, you know, yeah, like everything. Why is this dish on the counter? It needs to be in the sink. Like, you know, don't go into like militant, like fix it mode.

SPEAKER_00

You know what I mean? So, like, mm-hmm. I've just been my entire like last two weeks. So just like I'm like, I have so many things to balance. I'm gonna become the most organized person I've ever been in my entire life for this span of two weeks. Yeah. And then I'll crash out for the next leg. And then I will be just bed rotting. Like, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

I do feel like that's how it goes with more type B people. Like when we try to be more structured, we do it really well for a small chunk of time. And then you're like, I need some fun in my life. We call it Caleb and I call it my fun bug. Like, I'll just text him. I'll be so cute. It's adorable. It the problem is it usually leads to me spending too much money. Because I will literally text him and be like, I'm I want to go on a vacation. Like, I'm just gonna drive like to Florida right now.

SPEAKER_03

And is this our problem? Yeah, it is. Do you remember whenever you came to my house and I had like 15 packages sitting and you're like Rye?

SPEAKER_00

I know. I literally send her a picture and her entire island is just a mound of packages.

SPEAKER_03

Just Amazon. I love it.

SPEAKER_00

I sent a picture and you're just like, ooh, sorry.

SPEAKER_04

You just you just write that. That way sometimes you just need a little therapy. Exactly. I'm not condoning overspending, but you know, sometimes you knew sometimes it helps. Sometimes get yourself a boba tea. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I gosh, as far as like rhythms, I'm like trying to think of some specific ones, but I feel, or maybe that's not the word used, but maybe that's what my brain thought. Yeah. That's that's the biggest thing. Because I'm not like very structured all the time. The biggest thing I think that we have found that like just kind of fallen into over the years is rhythmic living. Like which sounds I feel like I've heard people say that, and sometimes it can be like, what is that? Like, but it's really more of like like our days look the same every day. Like my girls wake up, we have breakfast, they play, whatever that looks like. We usually have lunch, but like the timing is flexible. While it might fall like in a similar time frame, it's never like it is now lunchtime because it is 12 noon. Like everyone draws everyone's. Yeah, if everyone's exploding at 11:30, I'm so willing to be like, let's eat. Like it's fine. And same goes for bedtime. Like we are, I have found like my girls and I just function better. Like we're early bedtime people. We don't do stuff in the evening, which is sometimes boring for my like social life and like adult life. But it's been so much better because it means like if they're in bed by no joke, like 7:30, like winding down, listening to like a story or something. The girl.

SPEAKER_00

This is beautiful. My girl does not. Oh, she is a late nighter. Is she hear me, stage wives? I am not a bad mom. This girl just parties, parties hardy until like 11 p.m. Oh, she reads it. Like I don't know how it's amazing. She she just functions so well. She's like, she's just like, I'm just chilling. That's kind of impressive. I just want to read my book in bed until 11. And we do let her stay up in bed and like read. Like, that's the one thing that she's allowed to do is she can stay up and read. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

I feel like sometimes though, those are the kids that like you can just do things. Like you can just go to the barbecue, you can just go to the thing. Yo, for sure. And then not yet implode.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, she she doesn't implode very much. That's amazing. There's like a clock with your son, and it's so funny to watch because like it hits his bedtime, super sweet, super just awesome little boy. And then, like, then he just like he's like, Yeah, yeah. And all of a sudden you see him in the corner, silent, downhill, silent, and just will stare at you. Oh and then, and then a little bit later, if you go past that, then he started staring at the ground, and it's just like his focus just goes more to the ground and he just like slowly devolves, and it's the cutest thing to just watch him because it's it's like Ho Hunter when he when he drinks, he gets very quiet, and like it just is the fly on the wall, and then there's just like one glass too many, and then he's like, Whoa! Like it just implodes, and it's the cutest thing to watch the little progression.

SPEAKER_03

You're like, You're done, you're done. Yeah, the other night we were having a work party at my house, and the kids were being so quiet, and we're like, What's going on? What is happening? Because we put on a movie, and my boy is just asleep in her daughter's lap, and she's just playing with his hair, petting him, he's dead asleep.

SPEAKER_02

And cute. Oh, sweet babies. It was literally the sweetest thing ever. And she was really sweet.

SPEAKER_00

And she was just like, he fell asleep. And I'm like, Yeah, he did. And then we did not wake him up. Yeah, yeah, but seriously, we made a joke.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, we made a joke and we were laughing, and she went, he's sleeping.

SPEAKER_00

I love that. And then she's she still made it all the way home. Still brushed her teeth, did all over bedtime routine, in bed, probably at that night at 11:30. Not the greatest moment, but it was a Saturday the next day.

SPEAKER_04

It was fun. It's impressive.

SPEAKER_00

But yes, woke up at 7:30 the next morning. Hello, just happy as a clam. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Oh man, that's beautiful.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that was like me and my siblings though when we grew up. But but she probably got it from you. Hunter and his family though, they were early. They were early bed people. They, I think his parents for a long time went to bed at like 5.

SPEAKER_04

Dang.

SPEAKER_00

And uh then she would wake up at like between 3 and 4 30 in the morning to go work out.

SPEAKER_03

Do you know how many times I would have snuck out of my house? My parents went to bed at 5 p.m. Right? I know what I mean. As a teenager, like, oh, I would see you later, like usually.

SPEAKER_04

I feel like my parents were always up, at least my dad, like late at night. I never went to bed before him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So I think it runs in families though, too, because like my grandparents are how old are they now? Um, about to they're like real close to 90. They're between 88 and 90. And they still at that age are up until 2 a.m. usually on most nights. Party hardy. Party hardy. They just no lights on, just on their computers, just the glow of the laptops, just chilling.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. So well, and I'm like, I'm laughing that we're saying that because my girls go to bed early, but that's so that I can have some peace and quiet. Because I am not an early bed girl. I am a night owl, like to the max. And it's almost worse when Caleb's gone because I just feel like it's like endless. And I my brain's like, oh, I could do this project, or I should I could paint a piece of furniture, or I could like I am I come alive after they go to bed. And so, you know, I'm 11, 12. Like, that's good for me. That's real good. 11's really good.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah. If I can get to bed before midnight, I've considered I consider it a success. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

But it keeps me sane that like I know they're in bed.

SPEAKER_00

They're like so what time do they wake up then if they go to bed that early? Seven. They're amazing. That's not bad.

SPEAKER_04

Oh no, they've got like 12 hour it's not morning in our house before 7 a.m. Like no one's getting up and getting going. Pretty much. It's kind of an unspoken rule. Right. That's great.

SPEAKER_00

I love that. But yeah. Kind of live in the best of both worlds there. I know. You get them to bed early. They've got their routine, they've got their structure. They've got, and then uh I'm gonna throw in a word from Samboretta. Uh, your ritual then that you get to do. Yeah, uh, you get to have that solo time, which I feel like is so healing for stagewives to have that solo time to be able to do what you need to do after the kids go to bed. Yeah. And like whether like you're choosing to use that time to clean the house or choosing that time to take a bubble bath. Yes. Oh, yeah. What's your thing? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Oh. Do you I I love a good bubble bath when I'm pregnant, especially. Like that's gonna go. Um, I love food TV. I love food network, like competition shows. Because it's mindless. Oh, yes. GPB for that. Oh, yeah. Do you see me come alive?

SPEAKER_03

Anything PVT, baby.

SPEAKER_04

I love it. Yes. It's either it's either food shows or like a good like British drama situation. Oh my god, there's some good ones.

SPEAKER_00

This is what I was telling you. Crap. I was like, mommy had to get on the show.

SPEAKER_02

I love it.

SPEAKER_00

We'll buy a new mic now.

SPEAKER_02

Bubba.

SPEAKER_03

Damn it, Sarah.

SPEAKER_04

Sorry. Sorry, not sorry. Oh man. But yeah, it just depends. Like sometimes I want to be really productive and I want to like be creative and like sit down and play piano because my kids scream when I play the piano. So I never do that during the day. So sometimes I want to like be productive and fun and creative, and other times I want to be mindless. Yes. So it just depends. Um, it really doesn't matter. Half the time, that's the only time Caleb and I get to talk too, because being on the phone with four little people that just are desperate to see daddy, like, oh yeah, I don't get to talk to him. Like, and we've just kind of accepted that. That's fine. Um so if he's not like working late, you know, which it depends. But if it's like a load-in day or something, like that's when we'll FaceTime and talk for like an hour or something, which is good. Is great.

SPEAKER_00

What does he do then when he comes home? What's his like reset? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Um, yeah, what's re-entry look like for you guys? That's funny because I was just talking to somebody about that the other day, actually. I feel like it's for both of us. I've heard a lot of like husbands come home and like they take re-entry time, which is beautiful. Like, don't get me wrong. We have found, and some to some ways I feel like this sounds selfish, but I am usually so up to my max. Like, even if it's been a good week or whatever, totally. Yeah, I am just beyond tapped by the time he walks in. And because um, I live with four little girls, like these aren't just kids, they're girls. And I am also a youngest child. And so I want all his attention. Like, let's be real. That's just how I'm wired. And so sometimes, even as a mom, this might sound bad, but I feel like I'm fighting for his attention. It's so real though. And so the best thing we have found is that most of the time, like I would say 99% of the time, he will literally get out of the Uber, walk to the front door, and I will already have my shoes and my purse on. And we all say daddy, daddy, daddy, and everybody goes crazy and freaks out and says hi and is so happy. And I give him a kiss and say hello, and then I get in my car and I drive away. And I leave for a couple hours and they get their fill of daddy, and he's so happy to see them. That's actually crazy. If it's evening, he'll do bedtime and I will not come home until bedtime's over. And I'll bring home takeout. Yes. And we'll have like a little date night after they have gone to bed. And so they get all his attention and I get all his attention. I love it. I know. It's so good. We literally just did it. And guys, when we so yesterday, was it yesterday? Wow, he came home yesterday. Feels like it's been an eternity. And he is currently working on a show where he has a bunch of paperwork to do at home, which sucks. Yeah. Um, because he can't just turn that off. Right. Yeah. But he's a little behind, whatever, you know. And so we didn't do that because I was like, Well, you need to work. So he kind of walked in the door, said hi, and then just jump right. And both both of us were so off. Like for hours. Like, I didn't know why I fell off. He was like, I don't know why I feel off. And I was like, I think I need to leave. He's like, I think you need to leave. I think I need to work later. And I was like, I'll bring home in and out, and we'll sit on the couch and I'll watch something while you work. Like after we've had our little dinner date, you know. And both of us instantly felt so much better. Like, it's just funny. That's been such a good yeah, thing for I have not heard that before.

SPEAKER_03

I haven't either. That's a really good idea. It's really nice.

SPEAKER_00

I've like thought about that in concept, but then was like, I don't know if I could just walk and leave, leave. But he's always like wanted to be with her in like immediately just like, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Like I feel I usually feel like I'm so sorry, I'm leaving you. You just walked in the door. But like, it's actually better for both of us, not just me.

SPEAKER_03

Good for your kids too. You know what I mean? Because like they get their full-on attention with dad and uninterrupted. And that's sound that's kind of great. Such a good idea. I love if you've not tried that. Get out the house. Yeah, try it, try that. See if you can just be gone even before he gets there. You know what I'm saying? Leave the chance alone.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, they'll be fine for two minutes.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Nine month old. You mim. Wait a minute.

SPEAKER_03

Oh my god, no. Okay, I rebuke everyone. I take it all back. I take it all back.

SPEAKER_00

She's kidding. She's kidding. It was all kidding.

SPEAKER_04

Was she though? Loki.

SPEAKER_00

Oh my god. But I I do I do think that sounds amazing. Yeah. But it was like, I think, at least with my personality, your personality, you know, saying our collective person. Uh seven on the Instagram, we name my tendency is when I get really overwhelmed, I want to just escape.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And I want to like walk away. And the amount of times that I have texted you pictures of flights just to random locations, like when I've been stressed, and I just send you like a picture of like what the current rate is for a flight to Greece. Like that sounds great. That sounds amazing.

SPEAKER_03

And it usually is out of the blue. It is. And it's like just a picture of like uh flights to London. I'm like, how you doing?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's kind of like my little like our little SOS like crying for help. Like, I'm not okay.

SPEAKER_04

Sometimes, and you don't even have to take the trip. Sometimes I think it's just like looking at the flight.

SPEAKER_00

Looking at it, just knowing that it was it's there, dude. There's an app I saw there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, I was like looking at like Great Wolf Lodge tickets. I was like, I could go next week without you. It's driving distance. Like, I'll take all of them by myself.

SPEAKER_00

Like I would be the mostly just to do a trip to like a park to ride roller coasters by myself.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, the amount of times I've looked at cabins and smokies just for a weekend by myself, hot tub cabin done. Nothing. But I also am a fun bug shopper and I have a whole Amazon wish list. Yes. So that I can go shopping without spending the money because especially in the in the dark times, um, it was really bad. I was spending way too much money. Like to the point where I put a time limit on my shopping apps because I was like, I recognize this is not good. Totally.

SPEAKER_00

Hunter called out a few times like back when we were not doing as well. Yeah. Even in the in-between, when we're just like, meh, we're okay, but we're, you know, better, but not you know, every single time that he would leave, he he would see that there's at least three Amazon purchases. And every single time. Or I would go out to Marshall's or TJ Maxx and like just I just could not help it. But like I think You needed some endorphins. I needed some endorphins. But I think like right now, you know, even though we've got a lot going on on you and I's plate with like life, um, I feel like it's a sign for me. I'm like, I haven't purchased on Amazon for non-business related things in like two weeks.

SPEAKER_03

So my gosh. I'm doing good. Yes, well, dude, speaking of doing good, I feel like it's really refreshing to hear from you that you're in a healthy marriage, you've got great kiddos, but you still feel tapped out, like at the end of him being gone. I feel like that's actually a breath of fresh air for our stage wives, because at least for me, I'm like, what is wrong with me if I'm feeling overstimulated or overwhelmed?

SPEAKER_00

Like, shouldn't I figure this out by now? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Or even just like there must be something wrong because I'm so exhausted. But it's just like being a my mom actually said this to me. She was like, being a good parent is always tiring. Like it means you're doing something right. Yeah. When you're so exhausted and just stretched so thin at the end of it. Because if you were a crap parent and just sat there and were on your phone all day, you're like, oh, this is easy. Stage wife, you're exhausted. That means you're doing something right. Totally. Totally. You heard it.

SPEAKER_04

So take a breath.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. And it's madness, like all the time. Yeah. And it's okay. Like, yeah, it's okay. I will say too, like, on the whole, like, you know, healthy marriage, it's hard, all those things. Like, I feel like we've talked a lot about the good, and like that's wonderful. But like, I just want to acknowledge too, like, it's work. Like, this is 10 years speaking. Like, we've been through it, and like it's refreshing to hear you talk about like some tough years because our marriage has done this, and you know, we both have our past and like family blue, especially. And like counseling is amazing. I love, I love some good counseling.

SPEAKER_00

And just did you guys do couples or individual?

SPEAKER_04

We've done mostly individual because we found that our problems weren't really marriage problems, they were trauma problems. And so, truthfully, like we weren't fighting because or maybe at all. It was just us having not healed places. Um, so we've had to do a lot of work, and so like while it's healthy, I think that honestly, a marriage that is sometimes a mess is still healthy. Yeah, if you're working on it. Like that's been our conversation lately because we've had not bad, but just some like rougher ups and downs. Like the moments when you're exhausted and you have to like sit down and have a conversation and you're like, I don't want like, can we be done with this for both of us? Like, we're just tired, you know? Yeah. But I think that's the proof is in the pudding. Like, if you're willing to, the healthy marriage is when you're willing to work on it. Yeah, for sure. Not that it's perfect.

SPEAKER_00

And I think that's what love is, is choosing to love someone through that. And I think with any relationship, like even with you and I, like, you know, if you can have arguments about it.

SPEAKER_03

There's some stuff we have had to love each other through. I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_00

But we we I mean, even with your friendships though, like if I think you know, with a really good, deep, healthy friendship, there's going to be things that you're gonna have to sit down and talk through and like figure out. And a lot of it is like what you said, it's like more on the individual that just then like individual trauma expectations, lack of communication, all the things that end up reflecting onto the relationship. Yes. And so, like for me, a lot of times when I, you know, hear people that are just like, oh, well, we have the best relationship in the world, we never fight, we never have arguments, we never have hard conversations. And I'm like, ooh, uh-huh, okay. Well, when that hits, it's gonna hit hard.

SPEAKER_03

Like, you know, and you're gonna have to work through that. And I think that's that has been one of my favorite topics, at least with stagewives, is making sure the pendulum also doesn't swing the other way. Yeah. Because we don't want those conversations where we're just bashing our husbands because that's wildly unhealthy. Yeah. And honestly fills me with rage. Like, where is the good in that? I feel like we should be able to have good, healthy conversations sitting down either with a counselor together or separately, or just sitting down with each other and being like, I need this, and it bothers me when this happens. Yeah, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00

It's just like we can vent and like talk to each other to find commonality, but also like if that's done with the intention of trying to solve it instead of with the intention of just trying to like for sure. What's the word you use all the time? Commiserate.

SPEAKER_03

Commiserate, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, at least that's what our goal with Stagewives has been is to make that the torque.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Because even at the even in the dark times, the dark times.

SPEAKER_05

The dark times.

SPEAKER_03

You never said a harsh word against my ex and always listened and then helped me problem solved to be like, okay, here's the problem. How do we fix it? Yeah and like good at brainstorming with me.

SPEAKER_00

We would we would acknowledge, like, okay, this is definitely not good, right? Situation, this circumstance, this thing that was said, but like, okay, how do we address that? How do we talk through this? How do we how do we bring this conversation forward? I am a full believer in that there is redemption for everybody. Oh, for sure. 1,000%.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Some people take a little bit more work than others. But there is redemption for everybody.

SPEAKER_03

Myself included.

SPEAKER_00

Listen, but I do believe any issue, at least this is what one of the things that I talk about a lot is any issue is a breakdown of communication at the core of it. Totally. Is like finance issues, it's usually a breakdown of communication. Do you and your husband think about finances the same way? Do you uh communicate about finances the same way? Because I do not communicate well about finances with inward chuckle.

SPEAKER_04

We don't have to get there. There's so much there.

SPEAKER_00

There's listen, like that would probably have been one of our biggest arguments back and forth is that like he is structure, he is organization to the max. He's a five on the Enneagram, and I am a seven. I like to think of things as fluid and like he's like one dollar comes in, this dollar, this specific serial number of dollars allocated to this item. And then for me, it's like this dollar I'm gonna borrow from here. We're gonna put it here, and this one's gonna come back here. If I'm on the new couch because I play a constant trading game with Facebook Marketplace, yeah, and the little bit of girl math, but I think accurate girl math is fine. Like this couch, technically, because I traded my other couch and then a couple other furniture items, was like only 25 bucks for me. I'm at least at the end of the day. What are we gonna spend it on? Exactly. Okay, I got 25 extra dollars now. What do we what do we spend?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I'm more of the oh, the budget for groceries is uh 40 bucks. That means really 50. You know what I mean? Like round up a little bit.

SPEAKER_00

Well, and it's like for at least for Hunter and I, like, there is so and I I laugh about it now. Like we laugh about it all the time. And you know, I don't remember if I brought this up on the podcast before. Oh my god, yes. You know, I don't think you've talked about that on the podcast. It was so funny because for it was again one of those scenes where it's six one way, half a dozen the other. And so like both of us were saying the exact same same thing, but in a different way. That's the worst, and like, but it was funny because like I at the time he he just like couldn't get through his head that there was a different way to think about that was saying the same thing because my words were different, and I was trying to explain that it was the same thing, and I just start laughing hysterically, which did not help in an argument.

SPEAKER_03

Because at this point, it's like the maniacal laughter losing my mind.

SPEAKER_00

Oh my gosh, we're we're saying the same thing, it's the exact same thing. Oh no, like and it was just so funny, and if now then it was it was less funny, but then uh he was like, No, no, he is so sweet, he is the we have to talk it through, we cannot leave a conversation, which is so good. Yeah, but when you're a runner And I'm a runner. I literally and I was like, I just need some space to think this out. And I like ran upstairs. I'm like, just give me some five minutes, give me five. He's like, no, let's talk this through. And he's like the most calm person, and I'm not. And like, I'm just leave me alone. Leave me alone. Leave me alone. And then he's just like, forget it.

SPEAKER_02

Forget it.

SPEAKER_00

Forget it.

SPEAKER_02

Forget it.

SPEAKER_05

Forget it.

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Forget it.

SPEAKER_00

And I literally just repeat, forget it, over and over again. I'm just like, it's fine. Just forget it. Just forget it. And then two corner, I'm like in the closet under the clothes. And he's like, let's talk about this. And I'm like, if you don't get away from me right now, and it was all out of love. And it was like the most sweet. Like, he's like, babe, I just want to understand. And I'm like, I don't know how else to say this to you right now. I just need some space.

SPEAKER_03

Have you ever met a cornered cat? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

That was like, and like a lot of that, like it was so, and I laughed. It was like maniacal laughter in between the me saying, forget it. And like, I just needed space. I'm like, I just need away from the situation. Yeah. But out of love, he was just like, I want to talk about it. Let's communicate. I want to understand the poor thing. And I'm just like, don't touch me.

SPEAKER_04

You're about to die. I feel like we're the opposite. I am, I am the talkat. I'm like, we have to figure this out. We have to work through it. All of that. And again, out of like sincerity. Oh, yeah. And he's very much like the give me 24 hours, and then I'll probably know what I'm thinking. Like half the time, maybe not always 24, but like sometimes he just literally, I'll be like, what are you feeling? What's going on? Why do you feel off? You seem weird. What's why are you weird? And he's like, I didn't even know I was weird.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Well, and like one of the big communication things that Hunter and I had to go through was we had to figure out that one, we think about things so differently. And so like I finally was able to describe my head a little bit better to him and was like, okay, I do not have a filter from here to here. She knows this, most people know this. Like, I just like I that's why you have to edit a lot of my my talking on podcasts because it's just like blah blah. Like, and he thinks through every single word that he says before it comes out of his mouth. Like he has already said the entire sentence in his head before it has left his mouth. And I am not like that. Like half the time I don't know what it's saying until I am hearing it as well. And I'm like, oh, look at that. That was a good point, Rachel.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, good point.

SPEAKER_00

And like, so I just imagine like a scribble in my head that I'm slowly pulling out, and I don't know where the end of the scribble is until it's out of my mouth. And him, he is like calculating and measuring the scribble in his head before it even leaves. That's such a good visual. Yeah. Yeah. And so like we had to, we had to learn that. And so for me, I needed the time to figure my scribble out. And like, I'm like, I need time to like translate the scribble before I can actually figure this out. Because if I let it out just the way it is, yeah, it's gonna be messy. We're gonna be yelling, forget it, forget it, and running away.

SPEAKER_03

Like Benj was laughing at me the other day because I had a whole entire thought process that I just said out loud. Because I was like, ooh, today would be a good day to take the boy to the pool. No, it's gonna storm, but we could do that later. Maybe tomorrow after lunch. Yeah, let's try it then. And then I just walked away. And he was like, What out this?

SPEAKER_02

Did you need me for that conversation? I was like, oh sorry, no. This is an active audience. Yeah, I was just like, I was just processing. Sorry.

SPEAKER_00

Uh-huh. All that's to say, yeah, communication. Yeah. The point.

SPEAKER_02

The point.

SPEAKER_04

So I'm like seeing a little bird. I don't know why.

SPEAKER_00

That's what it feels like. There you go. But communication is at the forefront, so important to relationships in general, but let alone this lifestyle. Oh my gosh. Yeah. I feel like if you cannot figure out communication when you are, you know, hundreds of miles apart, time zones, schedules don't line up. Like if you cannot figure out a way to communicate with your partner, yeah, everything falls apart. Finances, sex, real other relationship stuff, like you know, resentment.

SPEAKER_03

So if you're dating anybody who is in the touring industry and you're part of Stagewives, make sure you get that communication down before you get married and he starts going on the road more full time because an agreement to work on it.

SPEAKER_00

And we did not, I think we went into our marriage saying like we're gonna have communication figured out and we thought about, oh yeah, this is great. But yeah, we just had to sit, say, like, hey, we can we need to have a pow-wow and like address that there needed to be time to discuss stuff. Also, stage wives, if you see a long-haired, shy, weird guy, give him a chance. Give him a chance. Yes. Or or pre-stage wives. Yeah, no, I said what that felt weird.

SPEAKER_03

Pre-stage wives.

SPEAKER_00

Stage wives. No.

SPEAKER_03

That sounds culty. That sounds before you take the blood oath. The sweat dark. Real dark.

SPEAKER_04

Cap tip across the veins. Maybe, maybe just have the conversation and find out he's really that weird. Because if he's real that weird, maybe run. Yeah, then you can. Some of them are a little I mean, I shouldn't talk, but you know, but some of them are real good.

SPEAKER_00

Make sure they shower.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Oh.

SPEAKER_04

Good one. He never smelled. He just had long hair.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

He does not now.

SPEAKER_00

I have long hair or smell.

SPEAKER_04

You're gonna say shower.

SPEAKER_03

He does not know. He does not know. Have long hair. Oh my goodness. Well, I think between hair and finding the point and children, we have covered a lot. We have just all of it, you know? Yeah. Love it.

SPEAKER_00

This is fantastic. And I'm glad the stagewives that you get to join us and getting to know Sarah better. And I I'm just so grateful that you're on and that you've given at least me, I hope you stagewives as well, like this sense of hope that like there is peace and the madness, and you can handle the chaos, and the chaos is manageable.

SPEAKER_03

Totally. Well, and it's nice to talk to somebody who is also at a 10-year mark who has multiple kids and doing this well. Like our last in-person meetup you hosted. And you can't do that if you are an empty well. Like you have found ways to fill yourself up and to do this well with you and Caleb. And like you said, it gives all of us hope that there is other stage wives. There are other stage wives. There is other stage wives. Are whatever grammatically is correct there, fill it in. Um in this community that just want to grow together. And we've had a lot of stagewives on that have done this for like 30 plus years or 40 plus years. And it's like, oh well, when I get there, but no, you are proof that like in the thick of it, you can find ways to do this well. So thank you so much for coming on, Sarah. You're awesome. I'm sure we'll have you back. I was not joking. Like, we just need to buy another mic, right? I love it. Sounds fun. Hey, but we've already given our social media plugs, but again, if you know, I don't know, you went and folded laundry or paused or whatever, please follow us on all socials, YouTube, the YouTubes. The YouTubes, the YouTubes, and Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, at Stagewives, and of course our private Facebook group at We Are Stagewives. Um, just to give our girls a little bit more of a layer of safety and uh, you know, permission to be more vulnerable is why we have that space and we get into deep conversations there. Everyone who is watching this right now, all of you, doesn't matter who you are, all of you, you are invited to our book release party on July 28th. 6 to 8 p.m. 6 to 8 p.m. at the barn at Homestead Manor or Thompson Station, Tennessee. If that is hard for some reason to find on Google Maps, which I heard it was. I don't know why. Oh, really?

SPEAKER_00

Okay, just search 1819.

SPEAKER_03

1819 coffee. Yeah. Yeah. Same thing. The barn, you'll see it. It's a chic barn. Don't go looking for a red barn. It's a, you know, it's she nice. You'll you once you pull in, you'll know where to go. Yeah. You're all invited. Please come hang out. We are gonna have some very special guests. Super exciting.

SPEAKER_00

And we're gonna have activities for the kiddos. We will be doing a book signing of our book. You'll be able to get your copy there. We'll also have a couple pieces of Stagewife merch, but if we will have our whole line at stagewives.com.

SPEAKER_03

But Stagewives, y'all are gonna have a great time. Kiddos, y'all are gonna have a great time. Husbands, y'all need to come because you will also have a great time.

SPEAKER_00

Woo-hoo.

SPEAKER_03

And you won't know why until you get there.

SPEAKER_00

I'm also going to be having a six to eight foot. Haven't decided yet on exactly the the footage. The feedage. The no.

SPEAKER_03

Don't say feedage. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01

Roll the bag. Don't say that. Feedage of sheet. Ma'am, we got about an eight-footer of feetage on that charcuterie.

SPEAKER_02

Don't say feedage. Don't say feetage. Got it.

SPEAKER_00

Got it. Put it. Anyway. I haven't decided if it's gonna be eights or six feet yet, but I will have a grazing table, aka a charcuterie table.

SPEAKER_03

For all of you that are uncultured like myself, uh, that's a charcuterie table. I did not know what it was when she put it on the thing. And I was like, what is a grazing table? She was like, You uncultured swine.

SPEAKER_00

She didn't, she didn't. But there will be cultured swine on the table. Hey, it all ties together. Bravo. Bravo. But it's gonna be super fun. Uh, we are going to have just a blast, and so please come out. It is open to everybody. So if you have anybody who wants to support the stage wife community, if you know, bring your men, have them engage and interact, and then you can meet stagewives.

SPEAKER_03

So we can, you know. If you know someone who travels for work that would benefit from this book, bring them athletes.

SPEAKER_00

If you just say on people, if you just want to come out, if you just like what we're doing here, please like come out and say hi. We would love to see you.

SPEAKER_03

And if you don't like what we're doing, come and tell us why and come hang out.

SPEAKER_00

Maybe after the end of the end, but buy a book.

SPEAKER_03

Well, Sarah, yeah. This is not the last time that you will be seeing us or that we will be seeing you. And be sure to go join the private Facebook group and follow us on socials to see when the next in-person meetup is. Because who knows, maybe Sarah will host again. I wasn't there, but I got to see lots of pictures and I heard really great things. Yeah. So it was fantastic. Again, FOMO. I was very jealous. Uh-huh. It's whatever. We'll do it again.

SPEAKER_02

I appreciate that. Please invite me. Just please invite me. I work so hard. You just want a cracker.

SPEAKER_00

I don't know why.

SPEAKER_02

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00

The way that we just devolve as the day goes on. It's fine. It's too late in the day. Yeah. We're losing it.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, anyways. Buy a book, release party. Come to the release party. Follow us on socials. We love you so much. All the things we do are for you, Stagewives. And we hope that this episode has benefited you.

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It's benefited me. Oh, my soul.

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And happy. This has been great.

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Happy. Happy.

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The fun bug has spoken.

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Happy.

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The fun bug wants coffee. It's too late in the day.

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But if this if this episode and this podcast is spoken to you, please give it a share, give it a comment, give it a like, a review, all the fun things because the more that you engage with it, the more it can reach stage wives who need it.

SPEAKER_03

That is true. We do need reviews, comments, and all those things. Please. So please. I beg of you. Beg of you. Just an emoji. It could be the fried shrimp emoji.

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Like just engage with it. If you really listened, comment the fried shrimp emoji. Ooh. Oh. That's a good one. I like that. Ooh, and stay tuned because I have some fun things planned for the social media and some fun engagement and stuff that I haven't even told Ryan about. If you want fun things and just you know.

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Okay.

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Follow.

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Feedage.

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Feedage.

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We will see you guys. We will see you guys next time.