Military Wellness Collective
Military Wellness Collective is made up of four friends — two retired Marines (Joshua and Brian) turned church planters and their wives (Brittany and Kelli)— who have lived life both in uniform and on the home front. Together, we share real stories, hard-earned wisdom, and practical, biblical encouragement to help military members, and their families thrive in every season. Whether you’re navigating deployments, adjusting to life in a new town, or simply seeking hope in the middle of your military journey, our mission is to equip you with truth from God’s Word and tools for a healthy, resilient life.
Military Wellness Collective
EP 7: Surrender and Strength: The Gospel in Military Marriage
Marriage is challenging enough. Add military life to the mix, and the complexities multiply exponentially. How do wives maintain biblical submission when deployments force them into leadership roles? What happens when they must hand those responsibilities back upon their husband's return?
In this candid conversation, Brian and Kelli are joined by Joshua and Brittany Brown to explore how the gospel transforms military marriages from the wife's perspective. Drawing from their combined decades of military marriage experience and ministry to hundreds of military families, they offer practical wisdom for navigating these unique challenges.
"Nothing smacks you in the face with your own selfishness and pride like marriage," Kelli confesses, speaking to the heart struggles that make submission difficult. The women reframe this biblical concept not as weakness but as spiritual strength: "It takes a strong woman to lay down and surrender her will over somebody else's."
Through personal stories—from church decisions to career changes—they illustrate how submission works in real-life military contexts. Kelly shares her journey from resistance to acceptance when Brian felt called to leave the Marines and plant a church: "The Lord showed me what a beautiful thing He had for us, even getting me out of what I wanted or was comfortable with."
The conversation unpacks both Ephesians 5:22-24 and 1 Peter 3:1-6, clarifying that submission doesn't mean silence but rather respectful communication and ultimately supporting your husband's leadership. They emphasize that wives should never submit to sin or abuse and address the trend of "geographical bacheloring" with practical advice.
Whether you're a new military wife or a seasoned veteran of deployments and PCS moves, this episode offers biblical encouragement and practical wisdom for honoring God in your marriage while navigating the unique challenges of military life.
SHOW NOTES:
1. Ephesians 5:22-32, 1 Peter 3, Titus 2
2. Adorned: Living Out the Beauty of the Gospel Together | Revive Our Hearts
3. Amazon.com : helper by design elyse fitzpatrick
4. Amazon.com : the meaning of marriage by tim keller
5. Amazon.com : you and me together francis chan
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All right, it is good to be back. My name is Brian, I'm going to be your host for this particular episode and I am joined by Joshua and Brittany Brown and also by my lovely wife, kelly, and this one is primarily for the ladies. We're going to talk about how the gospel changes military marriage specifically from the wife perspective, and so guys stick around. But, ladies, this one's going to be primarily for you and I just want to thank you guys so much for listening in. This is a new endeavor for us still in the podcasting world and, man, it's just been quite a joy to be able to sit around and do this with one another. Thank you guys for listening in. Very much appreciate it.
Speaker 1:So a couple episodes ago we did what is the Gospel, what is the Good News of Jesus Christ, from Ephesians, chapter 2. And we learned that before Christ, we're following the course of the world, we're following Satan, we're following our own flesh, but God, if we're a Christian, god has made us alive together with Christ, and then he has good works for us to walk in. And if you keep reading through the book of Ephesians, you start to get to a lot of those good works. We get to Ephesians, chapter 5, and there are some very specific instructions for wives. So, brittany, would you read Ephesians 5, 22 through 24?
Speaker 2:Absolutely. Ephesians 2, or, sorry, 5, 22 through 24 says Wives submit to your own husbands as to the Lord, for the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. Now, as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands. I just want to caveat that the husbands are coming next, ladies, but we're talking about the wives today, so I'm stopping there.
Speaker 1:We'll beat up on the husbands later, next episode, stay tuned. Why submit to your own husbands? A whole lot of words have been written about this passage, but help me understand, as a husband, why is this hard?
Speaker 3:I'll say, like man, nothing smacks you in the face with your own selfishness, like marriage and pride and your pride Like just when we got married. I didn't know how selfish and prideful I was until married and then most of our conflicts or frustrations or whatever, yeah, I feel like the Lord just brought that up so much in my life of how I wanted to be right. I wanted to control.
Speaker 3:And you know when we read the scripture about submitting to our husbands, that goes against all that fleshly desire of you. Know that's coming up, so it's.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's good. Submission is voluntary. It's submitting to the will and authority of someone else to the will and authority of someone else, and it is not from a place of disrespect, rather a place of honor and obedience and, as a wife, that's very counter-cultural to what the world is telling us to do. They're telling us no, pave your own way and lead.
Speaker 1:It doesn't look to the husband as the leader, so Right, yeah, I think I'll add one other thing that maybe you're not thinking to say or not wanting to say, and that is that you're, you're not, you're following a very sinful dude, right Like you're submitting to a very sinful guy, and so that makes it additionally challenging. Submission in and of itself is difficult, but, as we say, the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church, okay, well, submitting to Christ, that sounds better because he's perfect. Submitting to this joker that I'm married to, that's more difficult, and so, yeah, so submission in general is very difficult. Just submission as wives to husbands is difficult. What specifically about being a military spouse, being a wife of an active duty service member? What are some of the added challenges you have?
Speaker 3:I think you're gone a lot and we have to take the role of making decisions and running the household, so to speak, you know, while you're gone. So it's really that's just challenging when you're back into the family and we hand some things back over, or just yeah, I mean we see in Genesis, just with Adam and Eve, in Genesis 3, eve, just from the very beginning, like Eve, wants to control, and we have that in us like to take control, and I think that's one of one.
Speaker 3:Challenge is just you're gone, so we have to assume some roles that we normally wouldn't have to. You're gone, so we have to assume some roles that we normally wouldn't have to. But then we have to learn how to readjust when you get back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree 100%. I think the thing that makes that easier as we grow in our knowledge of submission is understanding our husband's leadership when they're home. If they're leading in a godly way, it does help us to submit because we can assess the situation and how we would do that together. It is more difficult if those lines have not been established and you're not submitting before he leaves. It's a lot harder to submit when he leaves to what that leadership would have been. Does that make sense what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:Right, I think if I can attack it from a little different way. So if your husband has been clear with expectations for the household it's, and when he's gone it's easier to submit to that because he was clear early on, and so now you're you're continuing in that earlier, early on, and so now you're continuing in that, the heart of, and the desire that he would have, and again, if he's following the Lord and what his desire is is that we would all follow the Lord in the family. If he hasn't been clear, if he's not submitted to the Lord, if he hasn't been clear, that makes it more difficult to submit to Like I don't know what he wants. He just gets mad at me when I do something that didn't work out well.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I also think sometimes we look at submission in the wrong way, that we see it as a weakness in our culture instead of a strength. It takes a strong woman to lay down and surrender her will over the will of somebody else's. And if you're both following the Lord, the will inevitably should look similar, and I know that's not the case in every marriage. So when we're talking about submission in a military context, if you're both following the Lord and Christ is at the center, submission shouldn't be super difficult. You should be strong in your faith and ready and willing to follow your husband because you're trusting that he's following the Lord and ultimately your submission is to Christ.
Speaker 2:I don't just.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and yet it is really difficult. It shouldn't be right. We're talking about it in a nice, in a nice room and just. But it is difficult, it's really difficult. And so do you have any stories of where submitting to your husband and it's okay, I know we're here? But, any stories where it was difficult to submit to your husband, stories where it was difficult to submit to your husband and yet God showed you just the beauty of a strong woman submitting to a guy. That's really hard to follow sometimes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I probably have way more examples than I would like to think of.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, not because for my own heart, like before I really understood, like what it was. One that sticks out to me very clearly was I thought I was this great wife when I first became a Christian. Joshua became a Christian and he deployed to Iraq the second time and I was reading a book on what it looks like to be a Christian woman not necessarily a Christian wife and I realized I was real far off and I remember crying out to the Lord, literally I was praying please don't let him die, because I want to be a good wife to him when he comes back. So that's like a big, broad one.
Speaker 2:One more recently that I can think of was it wasn't that Joshua wasn't leading well, it was when we PCS'd back to North Carolina and we had to find a church and the kids and I really really, really loved this one church and after about four or five weeks of attending it, joshua came and sat the family down and was like you know, I just can't affirm some major doctrines of this church. I think we need to keep looking and it was a moment where I had to take a step back. I thought I knew what was right and say okay, I know you're praying about this and I'm just going to trust you and I realized in that moment like I'm submitting and surrendering to the Lord in this and he's calling me to obey Joshua is not asking me to walk in sin. And he's calling me to obey Joshua is not asking me to walk in sin. Therefore I need to follow, but it was very difficult.
Speaker 2:Now, years later, I can see praise God that he led us that way, because it led us into the Praetorian Project of Family of Churches.
Speaker 1:So he happened to be right in that situation where he picked the right church. One thing I want to encourage you guys is even if that didn't go, great then allow him to lead and change his mind Like whoops. I messed this up, or?
Speaker 3:to feel the weight of that responsibility.
Speaker 1:For him to feel that weight.
Speaker 3:I think sometimes, yeah, wives will say, well, I'm not going to send that to my husband because he doesn't maybe obey the word of God. So I think my encouragement to those wives is no, you're still called to submit to your husband. But even if he makes a choice now, if it's leading you in sin, leading your family in sin, that's one thing. But if it's purchasing, you know, a home or a house that maybe we shouldn't, or whatever, let him feel the weight of that and not come back and say I told you so, I was right, but let him feel that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a big aspect of submission is to not. I told you so at the end. Submission is not being silent about what you see. You are to be a helper suitable. Maybe we should have started this in Genesis, chapter two. The original design for the woman is to be a suitable helper to the man, and that they would be co-image bearers together. And so we're not advocating for you know, silence and never saying anything and never expressing an opinion or thoughts about things.
Speaker 1:What we're talking about is when it gets to those points where no, this is the church that I believe, the family needs to go to you submitting to that and then, if he ends up being wrong to not be there with an I told you so it's like, okay, well, what are we doing next? Where?
Speaker 2:are we going? I love that. Shannon Popkin said submission is only submission when we don't agree on how to proceed. So in things like the church or maybe something we didn't- agree on that.
Speaker 1:I told you so yeah.
Speaker 2:Like. One thing that I tend to ask myself is is he asking me to walk in sin? If he's not, then I can follow and I can be right with the Lord, and if he's wrong, that's between him and the Lord and how he's leading our family.
Speaker 1:Yes, to be clear, you are not to submit into your husband telling you to sin, and you're not to submit into perpetuating his sin. And so, yeah, that's not.
Speaker 2:Nancy Lena Moss said in her book Adorned men are never given absolute or ultimate authority. The only one who has absolute authority is God, and all human authority is delegated authority. So I think that's important with what you're saying. Like, God is the ultimate authority and we don't submit to sin. And I remember Joshua is my brother in Christ too, as well as my husband, so if there is sin, I'm supposed to call that out in a loving manner, just as he is in my life.
Speaker 1:That's great, let's pivot a little bit. There's another passage, so the go-to passage, I think, little bit. There's another passage, so the go-to passage, I think, for wives is Ephesians 5, as we just read. But 1 Peter 3 talks about well, what if my husband is not obeying God's word, whether he's a non-believer, or just in a particular situation he's not walking in the ways of the Lord. So would one of you read 1 Peter 3, 1 through 6, another instruction to the wives.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'll do that one without a word by the conduct of their wives when they see your respectful and pure conduct. Do not let your adorning be external the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry or the clothing you wear, but let your adorning heart be the hidden person of the heart, with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit which, in God's sight, is very precious. For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves by submitting to their own husbands. As Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him Lord, and you are her children, if you do good and do not fear anything that is frightening, I love how that ends with. Do not fear anything that is frightening, because sometimes it can be frightening to submit to your husband yes, I'm glad you said it so I didn't have to Like you're like okay, and in the military context all the more Like.
Speaker 3:I'm a little fearful in how this is going to go Absolutely.
Speaker 2:I don't want a PCS across the world.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, and I love I mean man, there's just so many amazing things from this scripture and I love, I mean man, there's just so many amazing things from this scripture. But one thing I do want to say. Just as wives reading the Bible, there's scripture that are two wives. That's the ones that we're looking at, the ones to husbands, which I didn't read in this passage, but it's the next verse seven. We don't. I mean, those are good, but we're looking at the ones to wives.
Speaker 3:You don't want to read the word, thinking like, yeah, my husband needs to do this, like we need to look at what we need to be doing, and so some things that stick out to me here is just that, even if our husbands are not obeying the word that they may be one without a word by our conduct. I think we're just so likely to have so many words. And then it says, when they see your respectful and pure conduct, and then talking about just our adorning being external, but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart, the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, I love that, Like imperishable beauty, we love beauty right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, of a gentle and quiet spirit which, in God's sight, is very precious.
Speaker 2:Which is interesting in a military context too, because it's very easy to have a grumbling and complaining spirit towards the military.
Speaker 3:It's a culture in a lot of ways, you know.
Speaker 2:I mean in some circles I feel like For sure and just towards life in general, the military life, and that's saying like Because it's hard.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it is hard. We'll just say it is hard.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's easy to do that, but what is in our heart comes out. And this is showing if we hide the word of God in our heart and we treasure it, then we're going to have this beautiful, quiet spirit. It doesn't mean you're silent, ladies, or like don't talk. It's talking about this calm, peaceful heart that overflows. So it's interesting you point that out, kelly yeah, I love so this, this verse.
Speaker 1:Obviously, some of what was read becomes the a distraction for what the passage is actually about. Like well, is it a sin for me to braid my hair?
Speaker 1:Probably not but you're getting at the heart of it. So I appreciate how you guys are interacting with this text. You're getting at the heart of it. When your husband is not obeying the word, your temptations are going to be to grumble, complain with a bunch of words or try to win an argument with him with a bunch of words. This passage would say no, no, no temper. All of that. Bring that down and win him with your conduct.
Speaker 1:Another ditch you may go down is to focus on external beauty. Oh, he'll listen to me if I look better. He'll listen to me. If I lose a look better, he'll listen to me. If I lose a few pounds, he'll listen to me. No, no, no. Like follow the conduct of the heart, follow the Lord, submit yourself to the Lord, continue to submit yourself to your husband and be subject to him. And so like great passage, if you're a wife and your husband is not a believer and or he is in some significant way disobeying the word of God, 1 Peter 3, 1 through 6 is your go-to passage. Read it every day for a long time. Read it every week for a long time. It's your go-to passage. All right, ladies.
Speaker 2:Did you have a question?
Speaker 1:Oh, sorry, I was going to say something that was me tying a bow on all the great stuff you said, but you can say more.
Speaker 2:I was just going to say in the military context. I really love this passage because in our churches we see this play out maybe more often than you would in just a traditional community church. The sin and temptation for our husbands is great with pornography, with being deployed in adultery and all these things. So if they're not submitting to the word, it doesn't mean we tolerate those sins, but that we are following the word of God and doing what we are told to do as wives, because we cannot control them. Brian's bow was much prettier but I just wanted to say how that applied in that context.
Speaker 1:Yeah, see, I tie pretty bows babe, yeah, so let's get practical. So just to lay this out so, kelly, you served as a active duty wife for 10 years and then you have been in a church in a military community with dozens of military wives coming through our church for the past almost 13 years. Brittany, you served as an active duty military wife for 20 years, and the vast majority of that as a Christian, trying to be a Christian husband and wife. And then now, joshua, has been pastoring in a church in a military community with lots of military wives coming through for the past five years, almost Going on, five years, close to five years, almost going on, five years, close to five years and and not dozens, I, you guys, have been doing ministry for a long time.
Speaker 1:I mean hundreds of military and military and wives like hundreds feels like a lot.
Speaker 2:It has been a few yeah. There's somewhere between dozens and hundreds.
Speaker 1:Hey, joshua Brown's with us. It's good to have you, brother.
Speaker 3:Yeah, trying to be quiet because you're not a wife the wife conversation yeah that's good, so all right.
Speaker 1:So let's get practical. What do you want to say? Like if you could go back and talk to yourself those first four years. Let's go to that. What, what do you want to say?
Speaker 2:Wow, that is loaded Okay.
Speaker 1:I can give some scenarios. Your husband is gone. Deployment, training, doesn't matter. Your husband's gone and you know his desires for something that's happening in your life, the life of the church, the life of the family, something like that. You know his desires and there's just something in you that's like man. I think I know better. What do you do?
Speaker 2:Well, hopefully you submit to the word of God and you have other women in your community that are encouraging you to do that. I can think of a couple times that happened when Joshua was deployed, just realizing what will be best for our family one, what would honor my husband and what will he think of this decision that I'm making, what's the ramifications gonna be? And moving from that place is what I would tell myself in my first four years. Sometimes I did not always do that the best, especially our first four years, because I was a newer believer, learning what that really looked like to walk out the Christian faith. So I would tell my younger Brittany self hey, submit to the word of God, love the word of God, be in the word of God, know the word of God so you can apply it to these situations.
Speaker 1:Let's say the family's really struggling. So your husband's gone and you're struggling, and or the family is struggling. How are you using your words in that season Like? This is hard. I am literally living in. This is hard. Husband's complaining about how hard things are on his front. Kids I'm seeing the struggle in their life. I'm looking in my own soul as a wife, realizing how difficult it is. Like what are we doing with our words? I think like being honest about where we are is so important.
Speaker 3:We can say something but not really live it out. You know, I mean, I've been there where I have submitted with my words but my heart was not there and I think early on in our marriage I wouldn't speak up as much. But I learned to be honest about this is hard to submit and this is why Because, again, you're the help, we're supposed to be the helpmate, and I think there are times and I just think that's a tricky thing right there, like knowing when to speak up and help and when to just submit. So I just think that that comes with like wisdom from the Lord and just seeking the Lord.
Speaker 1:Yeah, open, honest communication.
Speaker 3:Absolutely yeah, because it's just not always like okay, this is what I'm supposed to submit. And I'm going to submit because I do think the Lord uses us to help our husbands in some circumstances. So us submitting to the Lord first is important if that makes sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love what you just said there, Kelly, because I think sometimes we think submission is just do it, because he said which is not true submission. And, like Brian said, communication, communication. You as the helper should say what you feel about it. The submission comes in if he decides to make that decision and you don't agree with it. A lot of times you're going to end up agreeing on it and you're both moving forward and you're still submitting to the authority. It's not a silent, passive voice Like the Holy Spirit is called the helper. The Holy Spirit speaks to us, it teaches us. Like, as wives, we're imaging we need to help our husbands and if we, he decides something else even after we've talked about it. That's where the submission plays in.
Speaker 3:I think that's really important to recognize and God will use us. You know, I just feel like God confronts our sin. In that too, there's sin there, of like we want to be right or in control. He uses that to confront our sin, and we need to be. That's why we need to be honest, so our sin can be confronted, and it's just this beautiful way that the Lord grows us and in their leadership.
Speaker 2:It helps them and their sin be confronted, because they're hearing our perspective and it does challenge them. They have a huge responsibility to lead and, yeah, I just think that's important.
Speaker 3:I do have a story I didn't get to tell Go for it. I think it was like eight years into active duty you came to me and said I want to get out of the Marine Corps and plant a church near.
Speaker 1:Camp Lejeune, which, at year three you'd have been like, sounds great, right. Anything but this, because of all the deployments, I would have.
Speaker 3:But this was eight years and we had just spent, man, one of the best years of military life. It was just a blast. I was loving it, embracing it. So it was just interesting the timing. And I remember submitting to you with my words in a way of like okay, but my heart was so I did not want to. I knew that you weren't asking me to sin. I knew this was a good thing. It's like I knew that this is what the Lord wanted. But all of me was like I do not want to. I don't want for you to get out of the Marine Corps, I don't want to be a pastor's wife. So just like I don't want to, and that was just like a real strong feeling that I didn't have a good reason.
Speaker 1:I heard that story slightly differently. I'm just saying we do have different versions.
Speaker 3:We do have different versions.
Speaker 1:Well, it's interesting. So, Kelly, you said open, honest communication and we got there.
Speaker 3:We did, we got there. It wasn't there at first communication and we got there, we did, we got there.
Speaker 1:You finally said you finally got to open honest communication. But initially all you could muster was silence.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And so let me talk about some.
Speaker 3:Well, can I finish the story? Yeah, you finish the story, but I just want to finish it to say how beautiful it was. Like I was honest, the Lord showed me that I needed to, you know, submit to my husband and the Lord showed me what a beautiful thing that he had for us, because he knows best, even out of getting me out of what I wanted, or comfort or whatever, like he knew what he was doing in such a beautiful way and he's continuously showing me that since then.
Speaker 1:But yeah, it was just, it was so strong, but yeah, when your husband tells you something clear that God is calling him to do, the best thing you could offer is encouragement, godly words of encouragement. God's calling you to do it. That sounds like it's going to be really hard, but let's do this. I'm in this with you. That's the best thing you could offer. Kelly was unable to offer that for most of two years Looking back.
Speaker 3:I wish I was there, but I was not. But God had to teach me. He was very patient, you were too.
Speaker 1:Most of two years. She wasn't able to offer that, and so she offered the second best thing, which was silence on the topic, so that I could hear from the Lord, I could hear from the Holy Spirit and I could walk into that. And the most likely scenario and this is the open, honest communication is you provide both. I don't want to do this because of this, that and the other. However, if God's calling you to do it, you should do it, and so I think most of the time, it's going to be a word with a conjunction in it, right, like you're going to say this is hard, this is hard, this is hard, but God, this is hard. However, let's do this, we'll figure it out, let's figure it out together, and so we want to do those things.
Speaker 2:I love that story too, kelly, because that translates to military life so well, like when they're praying about reenlisting and if they feel God's asking them to stay in even and you are coming off maybe a hard season of deployments and you're like I don't want to do this anymore, just trusting that God is leading them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he has them as the head of the house or the family, for a reason.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's so true, Ladies. Your words to your husband will speak life or death into him. I cannot overstate that statement. Your words matter a lot. And so speak life, speak encouragement, speak honesty, Honestly talk about where it's hard, talk about where it's difficult, but also do so in a way that encourages him to obey the Lord.
Speaker 3:And I would just encourage women to be open to what God is trying to show you and teach you.
Speaker 1:So I got one more scenario when should you live?
Speaker 2:With your husband. Is that what you're getting at?
Speaker 1:Like together. That sounded like a question.
Speaker 3:Well, when possible, in the military.
Speaker 1:When possible, live with your husband.
Speaker 3:Times when you're deployed. I think.
Speaker 2:I know what you're getting at.
Speaker 1:Yeah, y'all are acting like this is a given, but anecdotally, I don't know that anybody could actually do a study on it. Maybe they could or did. Anecdotally, I don't know that anybody could actually do a study on it, maybe they could or did. But geographical bacheloring, where husbands and wives live separately for extended periods of time, seems to be on the rise in the past 20 years, and so an encouragement is be together, live together when at all possible and don't spend extra time apart, because those words matter, that presence matters, and so let's live together. If you're not able to, or if right now you're realizing like you're in the throes of not living together, maybe commit to not do this again in the future and realize this is hard, and maybe it's harder than I, than I need to make it All right real quick. What are some? What should I be reading if I'm a wife in a military community, to help me do this better?
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, I love to read. So if you're a military wife, obviously you're a wife. So it doesn't matter what kind of wife you are, you're a military wife. I really love the book Helper by Design by Elise Fitzpatrick. She gives a lot of practical tips that really are helpful, even in military context. We talked a lot about submission and there's a book by her last name's, easleen, and it's called what Submission Got to Do With it. Anyways and ladies, she breaks down some great things. We didn't hit on this in the episode about if you're in an abusive situation, you do not submit to abuse, you do not submit to lawbreaking. She has a chapter in there on codependency. There's a lot of really good things in there. It's fantastic.
Speaker 3:And then Undorned by Nancy Lee DeMoss. Wogglemuth is fantastic. Breaks down Titus too. I would add a good one that just early on in our marriage I read Power of a Praying Wife, Just when we're going to be quiet and gentle with our spirit, like the best thing we can do is go to the Lord and pray on behalf of our husbands.
Speaker 1:Power of a Praying Wife More wives praying for their husbands Sounds great, there's probably more. Thank you so much, ladies, and next time we will pick on the husbands. Thank you, guys, so much for listening.