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EP 21: When Service Calls: Choosing Duty Without Abandoning Your Spouse

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The question sounds simple, but it opens a deep well: if a husband wants to deploy or take a faraway training, does that mean he doesn’t want to be with his wife? We tackle that tension head-on, drawing out real motives, addressing insecurity without shame, and reframing service as a shared purpose rather than a wedge. From the first minutes, we set aside quick fixes and rush-to-advice answers and instead walk through the heart work both spouses need.

We share candid husband and wife perspectives shaped by decades in and around the military, church planting near bases, and mentoring dozens of couples through deployment. You’ll hear how clear motives—calling, competence, protection, discipleship—can coexist with deep love for a spouse, and why failing to articulate those motives breeds suspicion. We name the hard truth: sometimes a deployment or course can become an escape from conflict. That’s where courage, humility, and community step in. We offer practical questions that de-escalate: help me understand why this matters; is there anything else; remind me why we chose this life. We also explore how deployments act as marriage accelerators, speeding growth when foundations are strong and exposing cracks when they’re not.

Identity sits at the center. Service members cannot replace God with rank, ribbons, or risk; spouses cannot replace God with constant proximity. When each seeks ultimate security and worth in the right place, distance becomes bearable and even purposeful. We widen the lens to the mission—readiness, protection, noble service—while keeping the covenant of marriage at the center. Along the way, we address fear, the difference between voluntary and assigned deployments, and the role of church and mentors in helping couples pivot from bitterness to partnership.

If you’re navigating a pending deployment or debating a training slot, this conversation will give you language, perspective, and next steps to move from accusation to alignment. Listen, share with your spouse, and start the talk tonight. If it resonates, subscribe, leave a review, and send us the next question you want us to unpack.

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1. An older couple from your local church. Don't go at these conversations alone. Find mentors whom you value their marriage and know that they will speak truth into your lives.

2. If you are having marriage struggles and there are cracks that need mending, consider bringing in a Biblical or Christian Counselor. Your marriage can thrive, shed appearances of a happy marriage and actually work to have one.

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SPEAKER_01:

Welcome back to another episode of the Military Wellness Collective. I'm going to be your host today. I'm Brittany Brown, and we are going to talk about a question that we have received multiple times, uh, verbally, individually through text messages, through our Instagram account.

SPEAKER_04:

Thousands of things.

SPEAKER_01:

This is a listener question. And it's a new year, and we haven't introduced ourselves in a while. And so before we dig into this question, I want to quickly introduce who we are, where we're at, and why we get this question often. So let me give you the question and then we'll do a quick intro of who we are. So the question that we get in multiple different forms is this when my husband says he wants to deploy or chooses a faraway training, does that mean he doesn't want to be with me? And there's so much to this. And so, like I said, I'm Brittany Brown. My husband is Joshua. We've been married 22 years. We served, he was a Marine for 20 years, and I was with him the entire time. And now we're ministering to the military outside of Camp Lejeune at Pillar Church of Topsall.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, I'm Joshua. And we we actually both got saved while we were in the military earlier on and spent our entire military time as new believers growing in Christ. We got saved at a small church right outside of Camp Pendleton, California. And now we're at Camp Lejeune, North Carolina, and planted a church, Pillar Church of Topsil, right outside of Camp Lejeune. And now we're serving those in the military right across the border from us, the same way we were blessed to be from the churches around Camp Pendleton. We're doing the same thing here. So we're a church full of military members, and we're just we get a lot of good questions and we love to answer them.

SPEAKER_03:

So man, I just love uh you said it really fast, but like you became a Christian while on active duty, grew as a Christian on active duty, and then you transitioned from active duty into planting a church, pastoring a church so God can grow you spiritually while you're in the military community. And he's he's done similarly through Britney. She's a women's ministry leader and does uh really well ministering to the ladies, so that's really cool. Yeah, just I'm Brian O'Day. I serve as one of the pastors of Pillar Church in Jacksonville, North Carolina, also adjacent to Marine Corps based Camp Lejeune. We're about 35 minutes from each other. Our churches, so also heavily military. Our church is probably on average 80% active duty military in their immediate family. I also have the pleasure to serve as executive director of the Praetorian Project, which is a family of multiplying churches in military communities around the world. 16 churches right now in military communities. And I served for 10 years on active duty in the Marine Corps, and then I call it, I played Marine for like another 10 years serving in the Marine Corps reserves. Very cool.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

This is my wife.

SPEAKER_00:

Hi, I'm Kelly, married to Brian. And yeah, just I've been with Brian. Yeah, we've been married almost 22 years, and we have five children, two grandchildren, another, the third one on the way. And I'm a public high school teacher in Jacksonville.

SPEAKER_03:

And a ministry we do together is called we call it deploying well. It's a small group that meets in our home, and we are walking with married couples through the deployment journey, pre-deployment, during deployment, post-deployment. And so we get lots of these, lots of the topics here are from real people. We have probably walked through a deployment season with somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 couples.

SPEAKER_01:

It's awesome. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

You said something after you said this and I said this, I realize some people might be confused. They're both called Pillar Church of the city that we're in. And all of the Praetorian Project churches plant pillar churches near military bases to reach the military communities. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And so learn more at Praetorian Project.org.

SPEAKER_02:

There you go. But I do want to mention, like, there's this thing out there called the Pillar Network. We are not that. But they're great folks too. They're great. Great folks too. It's an awesome network. But just because it's called Pillar at all of our churches are called Pillar, it gets confusing.

SPEAKER_03:

So we'll fix that somewhere. Not long away.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, we'll go with it. That's not what we're talking about.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm going to repeat the question because this there's just so many layers here. So when my husband says he wants to deploy or chooses a faraway training, does that mean he doesn't want to be with me? I think there's a lot of other questions probably inside that question.

SPEAKER_03:

Um the the Bible passage I just want to start with is Proverbs chapter 20 and verse 5. And it says, English Standard Version wording, the purpose in a man's heart or a woman's heart, the purpose in a man's heart is like deep water, but a man of understanding will draw it out. And so when you say there's layers, there's layers, yes, and we're so this conversation, we want to draw out what's going on in the husband and or wife. Because there could be different reasons, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

For sure. So many reasons. We can talk about it.

SPEAKER_02:

If this person were in front of me, I would have so many follow-up questions before I actually got to like, okay, here's where where I see the issues.

SPEAKER_03:

Because we want to rush to like, well, that's that that is awful, and he should never do that, and whatever, or we should rush to, or we could rush to like, he's doing something awesome and you should be okay with it. Right. We've we just rushed to advice. The first thing we want to do is slow down. We are not rushing to advice except for let's examine, let's ask questions.

SPEAKER_00:

And I think examine your own heart when you're thinking about all this or asking these questions. I can remember your first deployment on a Mew. You got to visit some really cool countries. And my first instinct flesh thought was like, Oh, he's seeing all these cool places about me. And but I remember just needing, I knew I needed to shift that because it wasn't gonna be helpful, and being like, man, that's so cool that he gets to see these cool places. And then another time when you were on a deployment, you're an artilleryman. So I know how much you love your job. And when you got to do a deployment and actually like shoot artillery. Yeah, shoot artillery. It was it was exciting for you. And it yeah, it was just that was a joy to see. And and I had to remember like you enjoy your job and you're doing important things, even if that means because you just have to wrestle with that. It feels hard and bad because we're separated, but it's really it's a perspective, is what I hear you saying.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, the first thing we have to explore here is for the guy, he wants to go and do these things. Why do men want to go and do these things?

SPEAKER_03:

I mean, yeah, so for me it was I I don't think I was good at articulating why I was in the military to my wife. Yeah, and I would have done better to explain why. I felt like maybe it was obvious the season that we joined in. So I I joined literally in response to two major events in my life and the life of society that happened three months apart from each other. So I joined in, so sorry, I was saved, God saved me, in June of 2001.

unknown:

Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

Right before September 11th happened. And so I joined in the wake of September 11th, 2001. And I can, in hindsight, I can say I joined the Marine Corps for two very explicit purposes. One was to make disciples of Jesus Christ in the military, and number two was to stop terrorists from flying planes into buildings on in U.S. soil. That's crystal clear now. I don't know that I articulated that to myself and/or to the Lord andor to Kelly in the moment. And so when she's seeing me, you know, in Sicily to sharing pictures of me in Sicily doing a med cruise, she's like, I wish we could go to Sicily together. Now that probably shifted when I went into Kuwait and Iraq.

SPEAKER_04:

Right, right.

SPEAKER_03:

On that same deployment. But yeah, we just have to wrestle through some of those things.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, there's this, it's hard for a guy who's in the midst of it to say, hey, I want to go do these things. Right. Because it's then saying which I don't want to overgeneralize here, but ladies are great at finding what you're not saying and then making it the thing. I don't know what you're talking about. It's like a guy goes, hey, there's this really cool like special weapons course I want to go to where I'm gonna go shoot MP5s and M16s and a couple different saws or or whatever the new new weapon system is. And the wife is like, you're saying you don't love me and you want to go away from me and you want to do this. And it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. All I'm saying is I want to go do these things. I'm not saying I want to be away from you.

SPEAKER_00:

That's what brought you. Don't hear what I don't say.

SPEAKER_02:

That's right. That's right. Don't hear what I don't say.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, men do well to articulate these things. And also affirm our love for our wife in those moments. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, we need to communicate better. Yeah. Uh as as a as an overgeneralization, many of us struggle, as you struggle, as I've struggled, with going, hey, there's this thing in the military that I am compelled to do. I want to go and be a protector, be equipped, be trained to do X, Y, and Z, whatever it might be, because we see those things and it's like our eyes bug out, and we're like, man, I want to there's something in us that gives us this desire to do those things. We have to articulate that to our wives and explain to them how much we desire these things, and it's not just one-dimensional, it's also for other purposes because we love you, not because we want to be away from you and hate you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And I think if that's the specific case, it's important, wives too, to encourage that and to know. I mean, it's a sacrifice on both ends, but it's it's the sacrifice that's good and for good purposes.

SPEAKER_03:

I know we're hijacking this, Britney, and we're gonna hear the woman perspective here in a second. No, no, you're good. Keep going.

SPEAKER_04:

It's fantastic.

SPEAKER_03:

The so the question we want to ask the guy who's who's going deciding to go on this deployment or deciding to go to this training is ask yourself why? Why are you doing this? Because we've been talking about it in a very positive light. Yep. But if you are running away from a marriage that is miserable, that's right. You need to do the work to work on your marriage.

SPEAKER_04:

Yes.

SPEAKER_03:

If you're running away from your problems, and the military is a great place to run away from your problems. A lot of us join the military to run away from problems.

SPEAKER_04:

Yes.

SPEAKER_03:

And so military will give you ample opportunity to run away from your problems. So if you're doing that, then you need to not do that and you need to cultivate a healthy, God-honoring, Christ-exalting marriage, not just run away from a bad one.

SPEAKER_01:

I think that's important to note, Ryan, because if you are doing that, guess what's gonna happen when you come back? The problem is still gonna be there.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, it'll be worse. We call deployments marriage accelerators.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes.

SPEAKER_03:

There it's it's an accelerator. So if it's on its way to awesomeness, uh the deployment will accelerate it to awesomeness faster. It may not always feel that way, but it does. By God's grace. Amen. By God's grace, yes. And if it's on its way to destruction, it's gonna accelerate that destruction.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, like you so I agree with Brian and Joshua, like positive, there's also negative to it. And this is where communication comes in, right? You need to be communicating with one another. And sometimes you need if it is a negative thing, you need to bring somebody else in, like and evaluate those whys and start going after it. Yeah, to help your marriage through deployment.

SPEAKER_03:

So, wives, I think some questions you could ask us is help me understand. Help me understand why why you want to do this thing.

SPEAKER_01:

That's a great question, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Is there and then once he answers, like, is there anything else? Are there other reasons? Right. Like just ask the second question as well. And also when he starts to answer, just listen. You know, listen. Try to say it back to him what he says. So seek to understand to ask those questions. Like, help me understand what's going on. You might even zoom back, like, remind me why are we doing this military thing again? This is really hard. Like, can you remind me why are we doing this? Yeah, some of those questions.

SPEAKER_01:

And I think from the husband, I'm thankful Joshua learned to do this early on, was to not be annoyed by those questions. I think sometimes men in the military, I mean this in love. You are strong, you have been told to be prideful.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

And it's irritating to you sometimes when the wife is asking those questions, but she loves you, she wants to be with you. She's given her life to you, and now you're telling her, Yeah, you want to leave her. That's what she's hearing. Yeah. And while I'm hearing from these men, that's not what we're saying, usually. It could be on a negative aspect, right? Sometimes it is. You have to be able to communicate through those things gently with her and lead her well. Don't be harsh and ugly and annoyed and like, this is what I do, you know. I just want to encourage you in that. Hear that as like a spiritual mother in moment. Be gentle and kind. She is your wife. Like she's committed to this covenant relationship with you, and she wants to help you and encourage you. Now, hopefully that's where her heart is. You need to communicate through that.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. And whoever initiates this conversation will set the tone for it.

SPEAKER_01:

That's a good, that's a good point.

SPEAKER_02:

When you go to initiate this conversation, you need to go into it humbly and and it it'll usually be the wife going to the husband and asking this question. If you ask it in a way of like, hey, why do you not love me anymore? The guy know what you're thinking. He cannot read your mind, he cannot read your heart. You have to explain where you're coming from. Say, hey, this is what's going on, this is what I'm what I've been thinking, this is why I think this way, this is what's happening in my heart. Like, I just need you to like help me understand so that, and then give the reasons why you're asking the questions as well. Like thoroughly explain that to the guy so he knows how to answer as well.

SPEAKER_01:

And for the wife, this is usually coming from a place of insecurity. I think we talked about that before we started recording, just like you're insecure somewhere in the marriage. And that if we were peeling back the layers and you're sitting in front of us, we would ask more questions about that. Where's that coming from? And I know we've talked about this a lot on other episodes, but communication is an intimate thing, and maybe you're not in that place in your marriage. But you need to be willing to hear from one another. And just like Brian said, maybe he is trying to get away. Maybe he doesn't want to be distracted, maybe he has his reasons and and looking at that, and like Brian just mentioned about the accelerator of deployment, like this is going to accelerate you in whatever direction you're going. If you realize you're headed in a bad direction, you want to bring somebody else into that before this deployment happens and start addressing the insecurities you have in your heart, start addressing maybe whatever's going on in his heart, whether it's sin, whether it's he wants to get away, whatever that is, because you want that deployment, if this isn't a negative aspect, to be a time of healing and restoration. And it can be. So when we talk about it's an accelerator, you kind of have a choice on which way the car is going. So you get to turn it. So don't hear us saying if you're head headed in a bad area, it's just it's all over for you. Right. Like you need to make the choice before that happens. And if you're in the middle of it, make the choice now. Pivot.

SPEAKER_00:

And maybe God's gonna use this time to grow both of you, and this is gonna be yeah, like a good thing. Just a good time because he's sovereign over our separations in that way. And I think too, just speaking on the women perspective, like I sometimes we just want well, there's comparison, comparison to maybe couples not in the military. So we just don't even want our husbands to leave at all. And in the military, that's just not realistic. And it's not helpful to think that, like knowing that this is a part of being in the military, it's a sacrifice that is worth making. And yeah, just finding how the Lord can use you in that and you can be present. And because I yeah, we've talked about deployments, but just like how sometimes you just don't want to just exist in that time apart.

SPEAKER_03:

But God has rich good things to teach us about our own hearts and that's I'm hearing we're we're using this question to like zoom way into the heart, yes, right? Like, you know, what's going on? What insecurities are in your heart to ask this question? What is your husband doing that, you know, is this you're running away from a difficult marriage or you're running towards something? Like, what are what's going on? So we're like zooming way into the heart. We're also zooming like way out. Like, do we want our entire nation's military to be sitting at home uh doing nothing? No, we don't. Like, I'll just tell you, as now a private citizen, like I don't want our military sitting around doing nothing and sipping coffee in the mornings with their wives all day, every day. We need to be getting out there and doing things. There's some really bad people in the world, and they need to be stopped. And so just it's it's just interesting that this one little question that seems kind of innocuous at the on the surface is like, no, no, no, there's some your your heart is a deep well. Let's get into that, let's ask questions, let's talk about it. And also just big picture like what why am I in the military? Why do we have a military in the first place? What are we doing here?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and it's good. You have to be careful because I think, yeah, just those roots of bitterness can grow for the the wives that are, you know. I just I see that. So much. I've seen it myself and I've seen it in others where it's just like, I this is not good. He's not here for kids' birthdays. He's not, you know, it's just like focusing on those hard negative aspects. But I think that when we look at it from a different perspective from just what the Lord has, like it just can really shift a lot of things for us.

SPEAKER_02:

And when you know why your spouse wants to go and do these things, it helps you in those times to see the purpose.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

And without that, that's how we get those bitter, crusty military wives and guys that are just like that's what happens though when when when a when a wife is sitting at home and just going through all these motions and going through these difficult times, and they're just bitter that he's gone. They're mad at the military, they're mad that he's in, they're mad that he has to be away, and they just like feel like the world owes them everything. And then they just get irritated. Yeah, they're entitled, and they get bitter and crusty. Right. And then they just live, they walk this real dark path. And so communicating with your husband before he leaves about why he's going and doing what he's doing and the purpose behind it, you get a little piece of that purpose. And then when you're doing these things, you're going through these hard times, you're like, yes, but he's doing this for a purpose and it's good.

SPEAKER_00:

And a question I would have for a wife would be are you trying to find in your husband something you should be finding from the Lord? Amen. Because man, that was something I feel like God taught me a lot. Yes. Was I just I found myself not wanting to be apart for long periods of time from a husband because it's like, I need him. I can't do this. I'm gonna, but it's like, no, I like I actually can. I just need the Lord. That is who I need. I need to find everything that I need from him. He is enough. He is enough.

SPEAKER_03:

So for the for the men, don't find from your military service what you should be getting from the Lord. It goes both ways. Do not and do not treat the military or any work as a mistress. Right. And so, yeah, marriage is difficult, military is difficult, but there's something about the like the nature of military, and like often we have pretty set, here's the goal, here's my job, here's what I do. And then we we receive promotions and we receive feedback and you know, evaluation reports, we get ribbons to put on our chest to wear, right? And so, like, it's all pretty like obvious feedback, and so that can become a mistress, and or that can like I need to feel like a man. Like, honestly, deep down inside, one of the precursors for joining the military at a at a deeper level than the two I mentioned a second ago is like, am I a man? Like, am I would I could I actually do that? Could I actually slay the dragon in the commercial? Could I actually whatever like climb the wall? Yeah, whatever the whatever the thing is. Like, could I actually do that? Could I actually go overseas? And so, but that's a really deep thing that can really only be answered by the Lord, not by I'm a United States Marine. And so that means I'm gonna be on the streets of heaven guarding heaven. Like, that's not true.

SPEAKER_01:

Something, a piece of advice we received when we church planted, and I think this applies to the military, was we were asked a question, you know, if your church plant fails in five years, your marriage will still be there, right? Like hopefully. And I'm just thinking about this in military context. Let's say you go to retire 20 years, your military service is going to come to an end. Where will your marriage be? Your marriage should still be intact and thriving and left there. So when Brian mentioned your, you know, your military service shouldn't be your mistress. I think that's what you're kind of getting at. Like, where's your your marriage is still going to be there and what is going to be left of it, or is it going to be in shambles? And I know we talked about this in an very early on podcast that we hear this all the time as military wives from people outside the military. Well, you knew what you married. And that's hard to receive. But in this situation, I do want to say sometimes as a woman, it is good for us to consider that truth. We did marry a military man and we married him for reasons, right? Like maybe you didn't know he's going to be in the military, but like you liked him how he looked in uniform. But that's not everything. And I'm not saying it like the civilian people say it to us. What I'm saying is when he's telling you, I want to protect our country or I want to do these things, I want to protect you, I want to protect our kids. Listen to what he's saying and remember like you loved him for those qualities that he has in the military. Does that make sense? Yes.

SPEAKER_03:

What are you putting your identity in? Yeah, like and it's a noble, it's a noble thing. Like if you're doing it for the right reasons, standing on a wall and protecting innocent people is a good thing.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

So military law enforcement, people who put their lives on the line for the protection of other people, that is a good, noble, right thing that is commended by God. And we just can't forget that.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And we've got to keep doing it for the right reasons.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, instead of your own selfish. And I think that's a good point too. Like the wife could have a fear, like, well, what if something happens to you? But like Kelly mentioned, it it really does strip you of that idolatry of your spouse. Your spouse cannot take Jesus' place, and that's a really high expectation to place on them to be your God. And so to take that down.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, and so just on that, he could die. Fear. That's a real, that's a real fear. I had a I had a very good friend and mentor who died very unexpectedly two years ago. Oh no, almost three years ago, sorry. And I had a I had another mentor in my life who said, you know, this could have been worse. And I'm like, Work, like he's dead. And he's we had no clue. I got a phone call and he was dead. And he's like, Yeah, because this this is a pastor friend. And uh my other friend, my other mentor said, Yeah, well, he could have had an adultery. He could have had an affair, he could have ruined his life and his marriage and his family with a moral failing. And death is actually better than a moral failing for the ramifications from that. And so that fear of death is a problem, but we we actually there's there's some deeper fears of we don't want to fail morally and we don't want to throw away our life and our marriage doing something that looks that looks holy.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, and at the end of the day, death, nobody dies early. If if we truly believe in the Lord and his sovereignty and who he is, and we put our identity in him, then when we see death, that's that's a transition for that person when God appointed for him to do so.

SPEAKER_01:

Which this is a whole other episode, right? On the fear of death, I need to write that down.

SPEAKER_03:

Fear of death, but also God's sovereignty. One of the things we talk about in our deploying well group quite regularly is the sovereignty of God. So this one seems like the question is about a voluntary training or a voluntary deployment. Yeah. But for the ones where the government's telling you to go move or to go do something, we have to trust God's sovereignty. That that God is sovereign over these things. He's not surprised, he's not running around freaking out. And so as we look to him, that will calm us down from this running around freaking out thought.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

One thing I want to say before we close out to you, when we ask the question, when my husband says he wants to deploy or choose a faraway training, does that mean he doesn't want to be with me? Sometimes I hear this from wives whose husbands were just assigned a deployment, and the husband is saying to them, Well, I want to go. We have to remember, most of the time, they don't actually choose when they want to deploy, and they might be trying to comfort you.

SPEAKER_00:

Like, yeah, I want to do this. Yeah. Like we don't want them to be miserable.

SPEAKER_01:

And yes, they can volunteer for deployment. And I know that is more difficult, and that's what we're getting at here. And one thing, just before we cut this out, that I want to leave you all with is you've got to talk to one another. We've said that over and over. Communication. Communicate. And you've got to get to the heart of the reason and you need to be willing to hear it. And so if it truly is, like I joined the military because X, Y, and Z, and I want to love people and protect people, hear your husband saying that and say, How can I help you do that? If it is a negative connotation, like he wants to get away from you, pull a wise biblical mentor into it and you've got to go after it. That's the dragon. Y'all need to be slain. And if you're not part of a local church, you've got to plug into one and find the people there. If you are, go to your pastor or another pastor you know, somebody that's gonna walk you through who is for your marriage and wants to see it thrive. So it's very important that you hear that from us. This is a deeper question. It's a heart question. And we love you for sending this in and we hear you, and we hear this often. Does anybody else have anything real quick before we close this out?

unknown:

No.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. Well, thank you for joining us for another episode of the Military Wellness Collective. We love you guys. We want to hear from you. We want to talk about the things that you find important. If you're not following us already, follow us on Instagram and send us a question. And we cannot wait to hear from you and see you guys back here next week.