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EP 40: A Practical Guide to Finding a Healthy Church in a New Military Community

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PCS orders can scramble everything, schedules, friendships, routines, even your sense of home. So we’re getting super practical about one question that can make or break a duty station: how do I find a local church in my military community? We’ve lived the frequent moves, and now we’re on the other side as church leaders watching families arrive and depart week after week. 

We talk about why the best day to start is today, and why “churches near me” searches can slow you down instead of helping. Our first move is simple: ask a genuine, maturing Christian in the place you’re headed, or ask leaders and friends at your current church who they know. Then we share how we narrow the list to one to three churches using trusted directories like PraetorianProject.org, NineMarks.org, The Pillar Network, and The Gospel Coalition. 

From there, we dig into vetting a church through preaching. Listening to sermons ahead of time helps you see whether a church’s doctrine and tone match what they claim online, and it gives you a real feel for the week-to-week “spiritual meal” you’re stepping into. We also explain why choosing where to live based on church life can protect your family’s community when military life gets busy, and why it’s worth joining a church locally even if you plan to move again soon. 

If this helped, subscribe, share it with a friend who’s moving, and leave a review so more military families can find it. What’s been the hardest part of finding a church after a PCS?


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1. Our Churches - Praetorian Project

2. Church Search on 9 Marks- https://www.9marks.org/church-search/

3. Pillar Church Network Church Directory- Churches — Pillar Network

4. The Gospel Coalition – Church Directory

5. PCS Well: Moving in a God-Honoring, You-Flourishing Way – Brian O'Day

6. Amazon.com : 9 marks of healthy church

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Welcome And Why This Matters

SPEAKER_05

Hey, y'all. Welcome back to another episode of the Military Wellness Collective. We're super excited that you're here. And thank you for taking the time out of your schedule to listen and join a conversation with us. I'm Brittany. I'm going to be your host today. And I'm joined, as always, by my husband, Joshua.

SPEAKER_06

Yes.

SPEAKER_05

And our friends, Kelly and Brian.

SPEAKER_06

Hey y'all.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, we invited you, Joshua. We invited you this time.

SPEAKER_00

He's excited. I love it.

SPEAKER_02

He's worried that we're going to not invite him one time. I didn't know if she was going to do the introductions this time.

SPEAKER_05

So I was like, I took it as like, yes, I'm your husband.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, no. We all heard that a little differently. I was like, yes, I'm her husband. Oh, yes. Good answer. Good answer.

SPEAKER_05

Anyway, we're super excited you guys are here. And today we're going to talk about how do I find a church, a local church in my military community. We know PCS season is upon us. In the Marine Corps, there's kind of a defined season, and it's usually summer. I don't know how it is in the other branches, but I'm assuming y'all move places.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, across the military branches, there are way more moves in the summer than any time at other time of the year. But it the Marine Corps is the most like rigid in summer moving season, but yes, just Department of Defense wide, it's or Department of War wide, whatever we're doing now. Whatever we call it.

SPEAKER_05

For us, it's kind of weird because Joshua and I tended not to be on a normal PCS season. We usually moved in like November.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, it was weird times for sure.

SPEAKER_05

I think we had one summer move out of our 20 years in. So it's weird because we see it in the community.

SPEAKER_01

Do you know how many moves in 20 years?

SPEAKER_05

Oh yeah, well, we had a lot of moves, but different states.

SPEAKER_03

Permanent change of station.

SPEAKER_05

We would have had five, six.

SPEAKER_03

Hmm.

SPEAKER_04

Sorry, we're there. Well, to California.

SPEAKER_05

We moved to California.

SPEAKER_04

North Dakota. North Carolina. Then Oklahoma. Then back to North Carolina.

SPEAKER_05

And then another change of station in a different space in North Carolina.

SPEAKER_04

So does it five? We had PCAs that caused us to move multiple times within there. Okay. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So we're not just like making stuff up here. We all have moved before. We've moved a few times. We moved, so I I I count one of the moves. Well, I count moving to join. And I get to like six in ten years.

SPEAKER_05

It's crazy.

SPEAKER_01

Of active duty.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, because I think ours is because that would be we say you moved almost once every year and a half.

SPEAKER_04

It didn't work out quite that way. You move a lot at the beginning. If I count the moves before Mary, that's what I'm saying. Oh my goodness. That's a lot. We gotta add up three more there.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

But definitely PCA moves. I think we figured out one time it was like 11 times or 12 times in 20 years. It's like every two years-ish.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. How about that?

SPEAKER_05

I feel like that would be true.

SPEAKER_01

So we're we're speaking from a little bit of experience. And now we are church leaders in a military community where we watch people. This is the season where we are saying hello and goodbye. Or goodbye and hello, just kind of week in and week out at our church. And so we we see it. We're we're kind of in the in the mix of it from a little different perspective now. But we've we've been in the packing up the boxes and loading on the moving truck and figuring out how we're gonna get two cars from this place to that place or whatever the whatever the questions are.

SPEAKER_05

It's so true. Yeah, on the other side though, watching it happen is different, right?

SPEAKER_01

And so if you're asking this question, how do I find a local church in my military community? I just want to commend you for asking the question. Like you clicked on this podcast episode and you're like, oh, that sounds interesting. I just want to commend you for even asking the question, and hopefully we'll provide some practical answers to you.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

So do you have where would you start this process? Like, so if you're already in a local church, do you guys have a tip? Like, where would you start the process? How do you even start? Do you start hang on, let me back up. Do you start before you PCS or do you start after you get there?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, great question. You start now. Like today is the best day. If you know you're moving, or if you're driving across country right now, or you're whatever, or you just moved or whatever, today's a great play day to start. I would actually recommend

Start The Church Search Now

SPEAKER_01

moving it earlier and moving it higher in the to-do list. So I know there's a million to-dos when you're moving, but let's move up, find a local church. And I think it'll actually make every other to-do on your to-do list go easier and better. Right. So if you're trying to find where is my kid gonna take piano lessons, well, if you're in a local church, you're gonna ask around people, like you're gonna have community there, and you're gonna get a better answer to that question than just going to your preferred circuit search engine and doing that. So move it earlier, move it higher on the priority list. And then I would say a first like kind of practical step. I think it's the temptation is to get to your new duty station and to start to like live life, and then go into your preferred search engine on the internet and type in churches near me. I'm gonna encourage you to not do that. Okay. That is a recipe for just taking way too long and not getting a great result. It's amazing. We get a report every month about how many people are searching such things in Google, and it's too many. So, anyway, what to do instead? Do you know a genuine maturing Christian in your new community who has a church home? So, like if you're moving into that place or you happen to know somebody who's in that place, and they're a genuine maturing Christian,

Get Referrals From Trusted Christians

SPEAKER_01

and you talk to them, you're like, hey, I'm moving to your area. Right. We're moving, we're gonna be in town in a month or in five weeks or whatever. Have you found a church home? Oh, yeah, we go to whatever. And you're like, sweet, where is that? Tell me a little about that. Do a little initial research and confirmation, but that's great. Like you are now more connected with that person that you knew. You are trusting that they have done some of that research for you. And, you know, if they say, Hey, we're at this church, but we're actually getting ready to leave because of whatever, you know, use your use your wisdom in that.

SPEAKER_05

But you know, what about people that are in the church you're currently in? Checking and making sure, like, hey, have you been to this duty station? Did you have a church you loved there?

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Do you know anybody there? Could you connect me? You might not know somebody where you're going, but somebody else might know somebody where you're going that knows somebody.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, do you know somebody that used to be stationed there, right? Or knows somebody who's stationed there from your current church. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05

That's or church leadership might know somebody in the community that you're going to as well. With a praytoring project, which we are all a part of, it's a family of multiplying churches and military communities. So from the Marine Corps side, it's a little bit easier for us right now because we could say, Oh, so and so is in DC, or oh yeah, the bouts is there in Okinawa. You know, like we can do that. So if you're not in the Marine Corps community, but you're in Air Force or Army or whatever branch you're in, your churches might know people that are interconnected with each other. And so ask.

SPEAKER_01

Right. Especially if you're in a church that has a lot of military, then you're gonna, you know, they're gonna be doing this regularly. And if the pastors are taking seriously helping you connect into other churches, they've probably, you know, they're starting to see the the well-worn paths.

SPEAKER_05

So I can get stress paralyzed and get hyper fixated and just make a lot of lists. Do you have a recommendation of how many churches like you start with? When once you narrow, do you narrow that down or do am I looking for 15 churches?

SPEAKER_01

I'm trying 15 churches in this community I'm going to, or I think if you know what you're looking for, you can get it down to one to three churches that you're actually going to search, or that you're actually gonna visit.

SPEAKER_05

So what are you looking for?

SPEAKER_01

Okay. Let me let me go through a couple other ways of how to get that list.

SPEAKER_06

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, and then we can narrow it down. So if you get 10 from some of these websites, that's fine. So you're gonna ask friends, you're gonna ask people you know, genuine Christians that you know, ask them.

SPEAKER_05

So like people that are actively living the Christian life, not something that's just like, I'm a Christian, I've been a Christian my whole life, but I've never gone to church.

SPEAKER_01

Right, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05

Just clarifying.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, not just not nominal Christians. Yeah. All right. So when you do take it to the web, I would recommend Praetorian Project.org. That's my favorite churches. That's your favorite website. You you look at that website every day. Uh so Praetorian Project, as you rightly said, Brittany, we are a family of multiplying

Use Directories And Vet Sermons

SPEAKER_01

churches in military communities worldwide. We started focused on the Marine Corps, which is why we are most we have the most influence in the Marine Corps. However, at this point, only about half of our churches are in Marine Corps communities, and all of our newest churches are in other Army, Air Force, et cetera communities. Ninemarks.org. So if you've been listening to this podcast and you're like, oh, I kind of jive with their doctrines and their understandings of church, nynmarks.org is probably going to get you pretty good. They have a church search website, and so ninemarks.org. The Pillar Network, not to be confused with we are Praetorian Project. All of our churches are called Pillar Church, but there's this other thing called the Pillar Network, actually, a much larger network, but very similarly minded as us. They also have a church search directory, and thegospelcoalition.org is they have a church search as well. They've recently, and Joshua and I found this out recently. I have to get my church back on it because they've kind of changed their process of aligning with that. But anyway, if you go to those websites and you know where you're gonna live, work, and play, you will probably be able to get a list of one to three churches that you're actually gonna visit. I'd be fine if you have a list of one. I would say that's better because you're like, go get involved and join that church. And so, yeah, I'd recommend that one.

SPEAKER_00

And I just want to say, um, from our experience, the time that you did that, so we had six moves and ten years of active duty, and our second to last move, you did that. And our duty station was gonna be 10 months there. So I remember I remember like going, I don't know if we were driving across this the country, but you had said you had narrowed it down to two and you showed me like you would listen to sermons and stuff like that, and then we went to one of them and we never even visited the other ones. Never visited them. But just comparing it to other times that we moved, the time we got plugged right in, I mean, right away.

SPEAKER_01

And I think we met with the pastor the Monday or Tuesday after like our we went to church the first Sunday we were there, and then we met with the pastor probably that first week.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and just made lifelong friends. I mean, it that we were drastically changed our life. It really did. So it's just like crazy comparing it to the other times where we visited and had to talk about the different, you know, just it was really cool.

SPEAKER_05

I like what you said too. You listened to sermons before you got there. So you're getting an idea of what the regular Sunday meal is gonna be for you from the scripture. Like that's a good idea.

SPEAKER_04

I'd like to take that a little deeper. When you're listening to sermons, I recommend looking at who's preaching what sermons as well, and pick the guy who preaches the most and then listen to primarily those sermons if you're gonna listen to some. I only say that because you know, there's in churches like ours, we're constantly trying to raise up new people to and and some of them are here for a period of time and then and then not you might hear a sermon from somebody and just not jive with their personality or whatever the case is. I don't know. But you should probably look for the whoever's teaching and preaching the most and then listen to those ones.

SPEAKER_01

I think there's some real wisdom in that, but also I would listen to the new guys too. Yeah, one thing we do in our churches is we raise up new preachers. And I remember the church Kelly referenced was Pillar Church in Dumfries, Virginia. They were a very young church plant meeting in an elementary school, and I remember early on in our time there, this guy, Jamie Lamato, preached, and Jamie had been sent out from that very young church plant as a church planter, and he came back and preached a very faithful, very good sermon. And I was like, man, this is the guy they sent out. Like, that's pretty cool. And so I remember just being impressed that like guys preaching their first sermons or guys that had been sent out coming back and preaching sermons. But to tie a bow on all that, though, the most important thing you want to be looking for in a church is her doctrine, and that is gonna be manifest in the preaching, and so listen to sermons. Every church that is trying to reach new people has their sermons online. It's 2026. If you're a church and you don't, you should fix that like in the next two months. Because, and I know we miss some weeks because of technical difficulties and we're we're young churches and you know, whatever. But like by and large, like they should have their podcast on a website, on a podcast feed, on something. And so listen to some sermons. Yeah, while you're driving across country, while you're flying in an airplane, while you're whatever you're doing and moving, listen to some sermons. And I think that's gonna be the primary place you narrow it down. Is it faithful to the word of God? And that's like question number one. And then way below that, is it tolerable to listen to? Um, like sometimes it's just guys are faithful to the word, but you just for whatever reason, like I don't think I could listen to that week in and week out for whatever reason.

SPEAKER_04

But yeah, and try not to let sound quality cause any issues for you because honestly, sometimes meeting in a community center right now. Well, actually, our sound quality is like we have some really gifted people that are helping with that and it's doing great. When we first started though, I mean, it was it was pretty rough. You could hear everything in the background and it was it was it was pretty staticky and everything. So but those those guys are probably in a church plant situation. Maybe they're you would be a great help to that church when you show up. So don't let it distract you.

SPEAKER_05

I think it's interesting the sermon thing that y'all have pointed out. All three of you have touched on it, that listening to the sermons is important. So I from an experience we had, we had one church when we moved from Oklahoma to North Carolina for the second time. And we were like, this is the church. We had read everything on the website. They looked solid, and we were stoked to get plugged in. It was right around the corner from our house. We were like, what a blessing! Like, we could kayak on the little lake that we live to this church. How quaint would that be on a Sunday morning? We could have people over, like we had these big dreams and visions, we had read through everything. They did not have sermons online. And so we went and it did not match what was online. The things that they were saying was it matched somewhat, but it was a very like hateful spirit. And so then we were in a spot of like, okay, what's the second choice? Which is how we ended up at Pillar Jack's, and it was through the sermons because I said, I don't know about this church. We had come out of like a legalistic cult years before this, and I was like, all these churches are named the same thing. I'm a little leery. But we started listening to sermons, saw it on nine marks, which made us think, okay, this has to be somewhat legit. The sermons were good, the doctrine lined up, and it led us to that church, and we didn't leave. So, like Brian said, if your sermons aren't online, it is helpful to have them there. Listening to the sermons gives you a little bit of a taste of are they actually preaching what their website says they teach? It just shows a little bit of alignment. I would even say check out their social media feeds if they have it. That can be a good insight to the true life of the church. Yeah, there's just some things you could do to connect. It is 2026. Like we have all this technology. Utilize it.

SPEAKER_01

I think a couple other like to-dos in this realm is reach out. If you get the list down to one to three churches, you can reach out to that church before you show up. Yeah. You know, that could happen relationally, potentially, like between pastors or between former members. If you find a church that way, that's good. We get, I mean, literally, this is the season we're in where we're getting text messages from pastor friends who are like, hey, meet Bob and Susie. They're heading your way. And it's like this group text message with Bob and Susie. And uh, we're like, sweet, looking forward. When are you coming in town? Look forward to meeting you, some of those types of things. And so don't hesitate to do that. Like, reach out. Here's if I could give like one big goal. I would love to see you worshiping with your next church family the first Sunday you are in town in your new community. Now, that's the goal. I can understand why you did your homework, Brittany, and you had the vision of kayaking to church on Sunday morning. I love it. It's great. I appreciate that you were like, and that changed your life, that decision, right? Like, but I appreciate that you had the wherewithal to say, this, this is not, this is not gonna be good for us. So we're actually gonna drive 20 minutes down the road to go to church to find a faithful church.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, and actually what put us in that position was we already owned a house that we were going back to. And so we started our search from the wrong perspective, and that's where how we ended up there. So we had the home we were gonna live in, and we started from a radius, and we were like, wow, this church is so close. And it, you know, it seems to be right on, but it wasn't. So then we had to uh expand our search. What I would recommend, and I think you all would recommend as well, is if you're moving to an area and you haven't found out where you're gonna live yet, you find where your life is gonna be lived, i.e., what church or

Choose Housing With Church In Mind

SPEAKER_04

churches you're looking at. And then in that area is where you should be looking to live. We were in that backward space, and that's what caused a problem for us. So highly recommend looking at some of those more important things first, like what church you're gonna worship at before you pick which dwelling you're gonna be in.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, there's there's a temptation to like uh in some people to move as far away from work as possible. We we might want to get into why you might do that. But anyway, um, choose choose your church first if at all possible. Or or narrow it down and be like, okay, the the one to three healthy churches that I see are generally in this area. Maybe I don't need to live 35 minutes away in this like obscure place. Yeah, I was literally emailing a few weeks ago with a woman who she was like, Hey, when are y'all gonna plant a church down in this area? And it was like 45 minutes from the base, like they were active duty and they were like 45 minutes from their base in this very small obscure place. She's like, There's no churches here. I'm like, man, I I I would love to see churches everywhere, but that's a pretty obscure place you decided to live. Uh I didn't say this, but now I'm saying it publicly, I guess. Well be careful about doing that.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, and even where we're at in Camp Lejeune, there's there's your your your cities that are right outside the gates, and then you have cities that are the next cities out from those gates. And so you first of all, you want to know where your church is gonna be because those different cities are very far apart. And if you choose wrongly, like you're either gonna be driving and you're gonna struggle because you're not gonna have local community where you worship, where you do life. Or you're gonna end up being in a church that you're gonna wish you were at a different one, and that's not a good way to start a relationship.

SPEAKER_05

I also think it's really important because we know military life is extremely busy. It is full. There are late nights, there are early mornings, and as soon as you get too far away, one of the first things that's gonna drop off is connecting to that local community, which is what you desperately need, right? It's like your life source for your family, for you. So if you're too far out and you just, well, we're just not gonna go to life group because I gotta get up early and it's a 40-minute drive. Like you might just need to rethink some of that. So if you think about that on the front end, it's very helpful. And we have learned this by doing it the wrong way. Like Show has said.

SPEAKER_00

We learn the hard way.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, we learn the hard way.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, we did that in Oklahoma. We lived 25 minutes outside of the like the town that made the most sense. And so the church we found was in the town that made the most sense for us to live in, that was right outside the base. We lived, we're like, oh, we're gonna go up here, we can get a little more house, we can get a little bit nicer house, we can whatever. And yeah, we drove and then we found ourselves making those excuses. Yeah, we especially we adopted three toddlers all at once, and so that affected our life a little bit. And we're like, man, this 25-minute drive when it was just the two of us wasn't as big a deal. Now it's a bigger deal.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, when you're trying to get little kids' shoes on out the door.

SPEAKER_01

For us, it was nap time. No, we're trying to driving after church, coming back, and we're like trying to keep one of the kids awake because like if he gets a five-minute nap, he thinks nap is done. Yeah, it's a real thing.

SPEAKER_05

I feel like that was us in California because we drove about 40 minutes. Now that was different. We lived on base, and that church is where we got saved. We didn't know anything about like how to find a local church. But as we talk, we're we only have a few minutes left of this podcast episode. Is there anything burning in your hearts that you just desperately want to say about why it is so important to be connected to a local community?

SPEAKER_00

One thing that I was thinking about that we haven't mentioned, and it could probably be a whole other podcast, but just I have ran into women that are like, you know, we're members back home at our church and really plugged in there. And there's always like this detachment from where they

Join Locally And Final Resources

SPEAKER_00

are, and like, well, one day we're gonna go back there, you know, we're just here for a little bit. So it's like, I don't see why I need to and I would just encourage you to join a church where you are, because it can it can just drastically change your experience at that duty station and build community and family. I mean, it is our brothers and sisters in Christ, and I just I've seen that happen in our church. It's just a beautiful thing how when you're not around family, but you build this family around you, and it's just really beautiful. And and and so for people that I mean, it's lonely in the military, and I'm just like, but you could be plugged in and have this beautiful community that you're not because you think like, well, we're just here and then we're gonna go back home and we're gonna be back at that church.

SPEAKER_01

So yeah, I also remember you talking to other wives and you had friends, and they're like, Wait, how are you meeting friends? And you're like, I go to church. Like, and I'm involved in the church.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. I love what you said about them being plugged. Like, I've heard that. Well, we're plugged in to our local church back home. Plugged in. I think of like a socket where you plug, you know, like a lamp. I love lamps. So if you plug the, what is that? The cord, the piece, the prongs into the socket if we were videoing you. You plug the prongs in. If you move that cord too far from the socket, you're not only plugged in and there's no light. Like you don't don't deceive yourself. You're not really plugged in, you just know you have a church back home, but but you're right, you're disconnected friends. Like I agree with Kelly.

SPEAKER_01

And you can move back home. That's fine. Like later. And you can rejoin that church, that's fine. But you should join a church where you live.

SPEAKER_04

I have two things on that really quick. One, we throw around time frames like it's nothing. Um in the military, for some reason, you know, you get married, wife moves out, you're you're away from your quote unquote home church, but you're in near Camp Lejeune, North Carolina, or Camp Pendleton, or whatever. And you're just like, oh yeah, we'll we'll be going back there. So in three years, you know, we'll just it's like, well, wait a minute. Three years is a long time. That's that's that's a lot of time to just removed. And we even throw around like six months. Right. That's a long time. Like, can you count how many days, how many minutes that is? That's a long time to just be disconnected. And the other thing, the second thing.

SPEAKER_01

Sorry, you were just you were just talking about a member of your church who, in a three to four year time period, got married and is having their first kid, I think. Yeah, like in three years. There's a lot of life that can happen in three years.

SPEAKER_04

He met his wife, got married, has a child now, became a deacon of the church. Like he's he's serving, he's doing all the things that it was like three years. It's amazing. Wow, that's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_05

I think all of our oh, except one couple. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

But the other thing on the plugging in, sorry, one more and and that is we've said it here a couple times. Like, it's 2026. You can join a church pretty quickly. Even churches and churches that I would recommend going to that have a meaningful membership process can happen pretty quickly. And you can communicate to your church back back at your home state, wherever you're moving back to, and just let them know hey, we're joining here, joining here, we're doing this, we're being faithful where we're at, and then we'll come back when we come back.

SPEAKER_05

And if it is a healthy church, that pastor is going to encourage you to do that. Yeah. He wants you to be plugged in where you're at.

SPEAKER_06

That's right.

SPEAKER_05

Uh if not, then you should start asking some questions. That might be a little hard to feel, but I'm just saying, like you really when people leave our church to PCS, we do not want them saying, Oh, that's true. We're faithful to Pillar Topsoul. No, friend. We hope we we have sent you well. Go be a missionary where you're at. Like, yeah, go live well.

SPEAKER_01

Join your new church fast. Yes. Join your new church fast.

SPEAKER_05

No, I would say it doesn't matter how long you're gonna be there. Like you said, Joshua, you do we just throw times around like because we live in these short, like timeline periods in the military life. It doesn't matter how long you're there. Well, friends, we have come to that time because we don't want to keep you too long. And we know we we gotta do this quick. So we're gonna put those resources down underneath in our show notes. You'll find the four websites that Brian mentioned. You'll also find a link to his blog where he just kind of encapsulates everything that we talked about here. And then if you have questions for us on maybe how to find a local church, maybe some tips on how you did find a local church when you moved, or have questions for us, our email is going to be down there. Please choose an email. We love to hear from you. It's hello at wellnesscollective.com. Hello at wellnesscollective.com. And we look forward to talking with you guys next week.