Sarah’s news, manatees, and ebikes

It’s finally time for Sarah to explain why she’s been lying to everyone for approximately four and a half months. This week on the show, she shares the news that only some of her friends guessed (the rest thought she was quitting cycling), and discusses how it will impact her career this season, how manatees might play a role, and her new appreciation for ebikes. Plus, Hannah manages to get a word in to recommend a new novel about trad wives. 

Shout out to TrainingPeaks for sponsoring this episode. Get 20% off a Premium membership with code Sturmy.

An additional shout out to Specialized (and their pregnancy-friendly ebikes) for sponsoring the show. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:01

Welcome to Talking Over You with Sarah Sturm and Hannah Sturm. Here we go. If you're gonna be an asshole, at least be funny. At least be funny. I thought it was a man coon. We need to have like a real athlete on here. It makes me consider different careers every time I have to pee in my chamois.

SPEAKER_00 0:25

Do you think people who have like real successful podcasts have somebody who just like does all this shit and they just show up and talk and then they go home?

SPEAKER_01 0:31

Yeah, Lily, fly down here. This is a sick nightmare. We just spent an hour? Two. Two hours. I think so. You think? Well, I don't know. I have no idea.

SPEAKER_00 0:44

Seven. We've been here for seven hours. We are in a different location than normal. We're back in our where we started.

SPEAKER_01 0:52

Yeah. Jason's little studio. Keeping it full, bringing it full circle. Do you remember when we first started? That's it's been like, I don't know, seven, eight months. I don't know how long it's been. Podcast baby. Yeah. It's almost been born. Do you remember how like exciting and fun and and now it's not? No, I was just gonna say that I I feel fun.

SPEAKER_00 1:12

Especially this episode.

SPEAKER_01 1:14

I'm excited about this one. Me too. Well, let's get into it. Wow, how should we get into it? Um yeah, okay. Well, first exciting thing um is that we have two new advertisers for this episode um who are currently some of my sponsors. Um, Training Peaks has come on as both my new sponsor um and an advertiser on this episode.

SPEAKER_00 1:41

Are you out of breath?

SPEAKER_01 1:42

I am. Take a breath. Just got me nervous. Um so actually, this is perfect because Hannah doesn't know what training peaks is, um, which makes sense. Uh, but it's basically so it's something that every cyclist, I would say like 90% of cyclists probably use training peaks. Okay. Um I started using it when I was in college when I first got my first coach, and it's essentially like a Google Calendar that is an interface between you and your coach. So training peaks is relevant for both athletes and coaches. Um, and it's great. Uh, it like I don't use my Google Calendar, I use training peaks. Like I put doctor's appointments on there because for me, it's an interface between me, my coach who lives in Spain, my nutritionist who lives in California. Um, and everything is on there. So it loads like weather. You can see like weather every day, which is honestly my favorite.

SPEAKER_00 2:37

It's like dream for you. This is like the perfect application for you.

SPEAKER_01 2:40

It really it's the tech thing that I actually really like. Yeah. Um, because it helps keep me organized and it emails you your training every day. So like my my my poach, my uh oh my god, my coach will plug in my training, and then when I turn on my garment, my training like appears on my garment. And I'm pretty sure that goes through training peaks. I don't know if that's actually a feature. I think it's really nice. Um, but then like any wearable that you have, yeah, um, it'll like sync that data. So like my coach knows how much I'm sleeping, knows my HRV. Yeah, it's really crazy. Oh, and then it gets crazier. So they've just recently launched um Training Peaks Virtual. So if you have their premium account, which I would say most athletes do, or if not, you should um it you have access to like if you have to hop on the trainer, you can load your workout into Training Peaks Virtual and it's like a virtual reality. So like it shows like you can pick different courses or new thing, it's called GP Explore. Um, you can upload the GPX file for an upcoming race that you have. So if you're going to Mid South, uh-huh, go on there, download the GPX file. You can upload it to Training Peaks um and go into like my routes, load that into uh virtual, and you can pre-ride the course virtually with your workout. We are living in the future. It's pretty crazy, like it'll have like it won't show like um like the ruts or anything on the road, but like it's it's like a little like avatar, like virtual reality. And and you never actually have to go outside. You don't, you never have to fix another flat ever again. Wow, that actually sounds incredibly cool. It is cool. So um, training peaks, thank you. And if you don't have that premium subscription, um, I have a code for you for 20% off, which is great. Um, it's sturmy, which is S-T-U-R-M-Y, not strummy, not not Sterny. Um, so thank you, Training Peaks. Also, another um exciting sponsor is uh my longest sponsor, which is Specialized. I've been racing for specialized since 2018, and they really took a risk on me. Boy. Personality hire. Truly. Um, but I feel like specialized needs no introduction. They're one of the biggest bike brands in the world, and I'm I feel I truly feel very lucky to race for them because they're their bikes are amazing. Um, I primarily race the Crux, um, but recently this year, I have been um training actually my last race was on the new Diverge. Um, and I raced Unbound on the Diverge, which launched at Unbound. Um, and I'll get into like why I chose that bike later. Um, but I've really been loving it. Um, it's sort of the like burlier version of the Crux. I mean, well, it's not a version of the Crux, it's a different gravel bike, but it's sort of made for terrain and races like Unbound. That's like flat power, you need more tire clearance. Um, it has a little bit of suspension under the handlebars, which I know people like don't think they need that, and then you ride it, and it's really truly it's going to save me money on my chiropractic bill and and will give me less arthritis in my neck incredible long term. So um I love, yeah, I've loved the Diverge. Um and I'm a 49 and I fit on that thing. It's because some people are a little worried because the suspension puts you up a little higher, but you can make other alterations. So yay, diverge. And then I've also been loving the Levo R, which is sorry, the Turbo Levo R, which is their new, their newest um mountain bike electric mountain bike. So that thing is pretty sick. It's fast. Lighter, yeah, it's it's really if you've never ridden an e-bike, like it's it is insane. It's for those who don't want to dabble in dirt biking, maybe just yet. Just baby steps. Yeah, truly. Um, but that that bike is great. It has um it's 140 in the front, 130 in the rear, um, 29. It's crazy light, super nimble, and it's electrified. So wow, you go up, you go uphill pretty quick. It's honestly, it's really fun. It's just like the e-bike thing sucks when you're on like a non-e-bike and someone just flies past you on like a grueling climb. So when I'm on the e-bike, I make sure to like really make a thing about it. It's just like oh wow, you're going so slow. Um, thank you, specialized, thank you, training peak. Sorry, that was a really long intro, but we have a lot to get to. So thanks. So buckle up, buckle up. Okay, what do you have going on?

SPEAKER_00 7:31

That is not the point of this podcast today. I really have nothing going on.

SPEAKER_01 7:36

Uh no, really, truly, nothing. Should we draw this out a little longer? Sarah's been lying. I have been lying. She's been lying for well, I haven't been lying. Unless you consider not telling the truth. Unless you consider lying to be the actual definition of lying, then yes, I have been lying. Or sorry, I should have said not disclosing all of my personal information. And I'm just gonna give the listeners, listener, um, you have a couple seconds to try and guess what my news is. This is how I've been telling my friends. Really? Does everyone guess? No. Really? What do people think? The younger friends don't guess. They don't guess anything. They guess that I'm quitting cycling, of course. Which I'm not. I'm not quitting, but I am taking a little break because um I got a baby and she is with a child. Oh, yucky. That's the worst way to say it. It is I'm Pegar Nart. Forget an ant.

SPEAKER_00 8:39

She's pregnant.

SPEAKER_01 8:40

She's pregnant. Yay! Yay! Oh, finally. Holy shit. Honestly, more excited than having a baby. I'm the most excited to finally get to talk about it. Or not keep it secret. So if you've been like, why is this podcast so boring? It's not been boring.

SPEAKER_00 9:00

I just haven't been able to talk about yourself.

SPEAKER_01 9:05

You've been bored because you haven't been talking about your own shit. Basically, like I haven't had the mic for like the last five months. Welcome back. Crazy though. It's been I'm like almost five months in. I'm four and a half. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:21

Okay, so I think of like I was thinking about it. Um, there's so much to talk about in it. But I was thinking in in the scope of like the podcast. Um, like when I told some of my friends who like also listened to the podcast, um, somebody was like, wait, so when you guys interviewed Is and talked all about like her being pregnant and like childbirth and all that stuff, was Sarah pregnant? And did you know?

SPEAKER_01 9:44

And we're like, Yup, we knew. We knew, but we had just found out, like I had booked Is uh on the pod before I knew I was pregnant.

SPEAKER_00 9:55

The episode, the first episode, I can't remember what what we talked about on the episode, but when you found out was the morning before we we recorded an episode.

SPEAKER_01 10:03

It was I have a photo, we can figure it out because I took a I'm really bummed that I didn't video me telling you because your face was exactly how I was feeling because I found out that morning.

SPEAKER_00 10:14

Yeah, and then we went to the bank to go set up our bank account for the bigger.

SPEAKER_01 10:17

I waited the whole appointment.

SPEAKER_00 10:18

I know, I was like, she is in a really good mood. We just giggled the whole time, and I was like, whoa, Sarah's fun today. I wonder what's going on. And then we sat in our little studio, or I was standing there and you're sitting, and you gave me your hand stick, and I could not pick my jaw up off the floor.

SPEAKER_01 10:38

I I was also shocked. Yes, I know, and I relived my shock that I had gone through three hours before that through your expression, because that was exactly how I felt. I got we got back from Moab, and um, I feel like okay talking about my period on this podcast. If you've been a listener, you're anyway. I like my periods are always like really long, and so I hadn't like missed a period or anything. Um, but I was feeling super weird in Moab. Like I just I was having like my boobs were crazy sore for like weeks. Yeah. And um I have never had um indigestion before. You already had indigestion? Yeah, it was weird. It was just like those couple weeks of like the beginning of pregnancy. It was like a weird symptom. And and I had insomnia, um, which I never like it was it was just crazy. I just was having weird symptoms, yeah. And I use um natural cycles, so I had a ton of temperature data, like from like, yeah, I'm really good at like taking my temperature this the first thing. So I loaded all of my temperature data into chat GPT. I'm kind of embarrassed about this thing. But let's hear it. Dylan was snoozing away next to me, and I was like, I wonder if I could be pregnant. And I like loaded all of the data. I was like basically asked chat GPT to analyze my temperature data and my cycle. Like, I uploaded all of my cycle data from natural cycles because natural cycles are.

SPEAKER_00 12:12

Chat GPT has all that information.

SPEAKER_01 12:14

I know, I know. It's not I'm not I'm not proud of this because I don't really like to use chat GPT. Um, and I don't recommend using it if you're pregnant, um, because it can just tell you a lot of wild stuff. Anyway, uh it was like you might want to take it. You might want to take a pregnancy test in the morning. And so I was like, oh my God, I guess I could be pregnant. And then uh I woke up, Dylan was making us coffee, I peed on the stick, and I was like, holy shit. And then I went back into bed and I was wait waiting for Dylan, and he brought me my morning cortado, and I just handed it to him, and he goes, Oh fuck. He knew because you just handed back the caffeine. No, no, I handed I handed the piece to Dylan. Handed you the cortado, and you were like, I can't have that. No, and I didn't even I took a sip and I was like, oh shit, I'm not supposed to drink coffee. And I was like, oh no, this is gonna suck. Oh wait, oh bummer. Yeah, it was wild. And then I had to sit on that information all morning because I wanted to tell you in person three hours. It felt like a million. Yeah. And then we got home and I just handed it. I know I should have had Dylan film it. I'm so bummed.

SPEAKER_00 13:20

Idiot. Well, you filmed everyone else, so that's good. Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 13:23

No, it's I was just like the most excited, and then you were just like, holy cow. And then we had to get on the podcast. And then we had to get on the podcast and pretend like we were just having a normal morning. Which, like, gosh, that feels like 10 years ago. It does feel like that was a really long time ago. I've learned I went from knowing literally nothing about pregnancy. To knowing also kind of still not much. But it's just been a wild ride since then. Yeah. That was back when I felt good.

SPEAKER_00 13:51

Well, I think one of the one of the things that like a lot of my friends ask me, because uh they're like, Well, was is this a surprise?

SPEAKER_01 13:59

I know yeah, that's a good that's a good question, I guess, to answer. Like, we were wanting to get pregnant. Um I do love when people are like, Yeah, so we're like trying to conceive.

SPEAKER_00 14:10

I'm like, oh, so you guys are just boinking a bunch.

SPEAKER_01 14:13

Like, yeah, it's like really personal. Sick, that's awesome that you're just like telling your grandparents that like we're trying to get pregnant, we're having so much sex. TTC. Yeah, there's so much gaggy like pregnancy stuff. Speaking of gaggy.

SPEAKER_00 14:27

Yeah, there if you listen back to there's so many times on all on the podcast leading up to now where Sarah just goes, Mom burp. There are times when I thought you were gonna actually have to leave and puke.

SPEAKER_01 14:39

I so needless to say, I had a really rough first trimester. Um, not as rough. Not as rough as it could have been. Yes, correct. Um, and what I've learned is boy, it's truly all over the place.

SPEAKER_00 14:51

And you have no control over any part of it.

SPEAKER_01 14:53

No, and that I'll get into that a little bit later. But like, yeah, the first first trimester, first trimester, just for those of you who like don't know anything about pregnancy, because I didn't know shit. It's such a weird part of the whole process because you've been given this information uh like from a P test or whatever, however, you find out, like go to your doctor, whatever. It's like the biggest thing if it's your first pregnancy or whatever, it's like the biggest thing that's ever happened in your life, like totally the biggest thing ever. And then there's just so much waiting, like so much waiting, and you kind of have to do it alone depending on what type of person you are. Because, like, I I mean, believe me, I wanted to share with the world that morning. And you did. Well, we could have on the podcast. No, but there's so I mean, I truly most of my friends have had miscarriages. Right. Most of them. Yeah. I would say, like, is and myself are the anomaly. Um, in that, like, and I bring up is just because she shared that on the podcast, but um, most of my friends had a miscarriage. So I sort of in the back of my head was like, okay.

SPEAKER_00 16:03

That wasn't even the like that was one of the first things we talked about that morning, was like, okay, like it's hard to get like that excited about it because it's like, well, it's so much so early, so early so many things that can happen. It's your first time being pregnant. Yeah, like there's you have no idea what your body's gonna do. I mean, some people, it takes them years and years and years and years and years to get pregnant and and like keep a pregnancy, and you know, there they're just are so many variables and so many things that can happen.

SPEAKER_01 16:32

So, like, I don't even like yeah, it's a weird my first thought was like, oh my god, yay! And then, oh my god, that happened really fast. Like my doctor told me like six to twelve months at best of traveling. And so I was like prepared. Um, so if you're asking yourself why did she sign up for the grand prix? Because there doesn't know how to fucking plan. Uh I'm sorry, pregnancy doesn't know how to plan.

SPEAKER_00 16:57

Well, I mean, you did have a little control in trying or not.

SPEAKER_01 17:02

Well, the thing is, I I sort of have felt like I've been putting it off for a few years because I prioritized my career. I really wanted to be grazing. 36. Are you really? I know. I'm also 35. I thought you were 35 too. Am I 36?

SPEAKER_00 17:18

Uh yeah, you must be. Because I'm 33 and I'll be 34. Yeah, you're 36. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:25

Jesus. So technically advanced maternal age. Like I was ready when I was 33. Really? Yeah, for sure. Oh, that makes me feel like I have better. I felt ready then, like with how my life was, other than the fact that I was racing professionally, and I just wasn't ready to give up my career. Damn, really, you knew when you were 33. It felt more. I I've never been like 100% like, I really want this. But I well, now I feel that way. I'm really excited.

SPEAKER_00 17:57

I mean, that's not also not everyone who feels that way.

SPEAKER_01 18:01

Like, I've known pregnant women who are like, you know, nine months pregnant and they're like, I still am not totally sure on this. I think that's actually accurate. Like, I wouldn't say I'm a hundred percent. Like, there's a lot of question marks.

SPEAKER_00 18:12

It does, like, and not to make this about me, but it is like, you know, it's it's hard to not have it like manifest in my brain about like, do I want to have kids?

SPEAKER_01 18:21

Don't I want to have kids? I think it's something that most women contemplate. It like for I mean, some people I think just know.

SPEAKER_00 18:28

That true, true. And so it's interesting for me, like, to hear you say, like, when you were my age, you knew that you wanted to have oh, she's gonna puke again. Nope, she's just burping. Uh, to hear that when you were 33, that you knew that that's something that you it just felt more clear at that point.

SPEAKER_01 18:43

Yeah, like I wasn't like going back and forth because like Dylan and I, when we first first started dating, it was just like, ah, we don't want to get married. Like the kid thing is like we weren't even talking about it. But the bike race thing was more important to me than yeah, it's a career, and it's this crazy thing that women have to, you know. And then I went like the last few years, I got really like kind of bitter towards the men that they're able to race through their wives' pregnancies. And yeah, I mean, I know it affected them like with sleep and whatever, but also it's like I don't have any sympathy for them, especially now after being pregnant. It's way different. There's so much like there's so much to talk about in like you being an athlete. If you followed my Strava, I had one friend that sort of figured it out because of my Strava. Because I totally forgot about inactive, um just like no, I was like medium active. Um yeah, I was like not doing, I mean, normally I'll be doing like you know, 15 to 30 hour training weeks. Uh-huh. And I was like, not. I have been not. Yeah. So if if I'm sure like people who are like looking no. I don't I don't think it's like a huge spread. I mean, who knows? You have you also still to as of today, still haven't announced it. Correct. Right? We're recording on Monday. This goes live Wednesday. Uh-huh. I'll announce on Instagram probably tomorrow. Okay. Um, but yeah. It's crazy. So yeah, I I would say like my first thought when I peed on that stick and the line showed up quickly and dark, I will have you say, which then the internet convinced me. You want me to say that?

unknown 20:23

Quickly and dark.

SPEAKER_01 20:26

Which then the internet convinced me that I was having twins because of that. And I was like, oh my god, I can't do that.

SPEAKER_00 20:32

No, could you imagine twin you holding twins on that frame?

SPEAKER_01 20:36

No, you topple right now. I'm nervous about our next scan because I have seen like women will go, like, it'll be like one pregnancy, like until their 20-week scan, and they're like, No, there's two in there. Really? Yeah, so I'm still not out of the woods, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 20:49

But no, I just stand up, let's see how pregnant you look. Oops. Ooh, you're heavy though. I mean, like, definitely pregnant.

SPEAKER_02 21:00

Not not.

SPEAKER_00 21:01

Not not. There's something in there. It's so cool to see. It is so cool to see.

SPEAKER_01 21:08

Keep reminding me of that. Dylan kept calling me free willy in Hawaii. Were you just did you just float? Yeah. It was honestly snorkeling was great. Would you just roll over onto your back though? They said if you so we wanted to do the manta night snorkel. But night? Yeah. So there's a night thing, which I was too seasick to do anything. I could barely snorkel, honestly. Yeah. Um, but I guess mantay is no if you're pregnant because it they can sense an extra heartbeat. And so I was I was like, that would have been so cool. That would have been cool. Also, I'm really not down to get into dark water. Yeah. During the date sounds fun. I was like, everyone who was talking about that on the vacation, I was like, oh my god, everyone just does this. I'm like, that is actually, I think my fear is getting into dark water. And then having like a creature. Come up to you, the creature really seemed to someone public. I mean, Steve Irwin died. From a yeah, the or maybe it was a stingray. Did the bar Did you say a manatee? I thought you said a manta ray. Oh. Why did I think you were manatees?

SPEAKER_00 22:17

Or pretty much like a Florida thing. They're cows. I thought you were talking about manatee the whole time in my brain. I had it. And I was like, you know what is really.

SPEAKER_01 22:26

Steve Irwin did not die from a manatee. Trying to milk the manatee. It's like a thing. Oh my god, yeah, that's the dumbest thing to happen. You know, Hawaii's really known for their night manatees. I really heard the people snorkeling with manatees. Yeah. They're super fucking aggressive. No, they're not. Manatees? Yeah. Yeah, bitch. They're aggressive. I think they're sweet. I thought they were nice. We have John helping us. He's cracking up right now. Okay. Who? Manta rays. Monterrey. Which I kept saying montereys because of Monterey. Let's talk about that baby in your belly so we can go on. But yeah, I peed on the stick, the thing. My first thought was like, oh yay. And then truly like instantly after that, I was like, oh fuck. That's my whole season. It's your whole life. Well, yeah, I know. But like you're not even thinking about that yet. Like I was truly like not. Have you even thought about it now?

SPEAKER_00 23:44

Like, I think the interesting thing about pregnancy, from like very much so like an outsider's view, but like, you know, now it's like close to where it's like everything, there's so many like hurdles to get over that that you can only really think so far. And then if like I've just now started thinking about like, oh fuck, there's gonna be like a baby, and then not, and then I've gotten to like, oh wait, there's gonna be like a like a kid, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:09

Yeah, no, I think about that. Yeah, I'm much more than a future thinker. Actually, my therapist is having me not try not to do that. Cool. So I have like a once I start fearing the future. Is it a few like are you allowed to think about it? It's not even like fear, it's sort of just like I start planning for these things that I actually have no control over. Yeah, like what? Um, like my contract, like mainly it's like cycling related. Do you want to talk about that stuff? Yeah, totally. Because I think um, yeah, I think pregnancy is like a crazy thing to navigate for any woman, especially if you work. Um and for me, the only thing I can speak to is being a a working athlete. Yeah, and it's really, really weird. Um, luckily, uh so yeah, so well, I'll go back to first trimester. We'll just do this chronologically, but what what's the right worst part? Right. Uh the wor the hardest part of the first trimester and the most shocking part to me was that one, how shitty I actually felt the whole time. Like I truly, like, I guess my friend, like, I'm like one of the last ones to be pregnant, but I like I just didn't know, like I travel so much that I wasn't like a part of their lives, and maybe you just don't know until you go through it or have a sibling. Totally. I can't imagine, like, some people don't even tell their close, close family early, which I I guess it just depends on who you are. But like you and I are like, there's literally, I told you that morning, yeah. And you know, a couple of my friends I told.

SPEAKER_00 25:40

Because like you guys, I mean, not and nothing, no shade against this, but you guys did tell like the people who you're close with, yeah, right away. And I think that's great because they would have been the people that you wanted to talk to anyway if something were to happen. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 25:53

Because like every person you tell, you have to imagine telling them then that you had a miscarriage if something were to happen. Exactly. Um, and those were the people that I was like, yeah, they would know anyway. Right. What I think it's hard is like, you know, when you're going into work every day and your life is totally different. And at least for me, it was like off season and then trade, like everyone's sort of like reclused anyway in my line of work. Right. So it was kind of easier, but it also it was the loneliest I've been in a long time. Yeah. And I was feeling like I truly Dylan was shocked. He was like, I've never seen you like that laid out, like just so. You were super laid out, tired. Yeah, like over my birthday weekend. Oh man, I was that was rough. Like that drive back home. Yeah, you're just I was just nauseous 24-7.

SPEAKER_00 26:43

Okay, so you were pregnant during Thanksgiving and Christmas and birthday, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:47

And you were now definitely well, you're definitely laying sideways all of hard. It was hard all of the holidays. Which I mean, in some ways, it was like really hard. It was just so different than anything I've ever experienced. Like it was so much more tired than I've ever been after a bike race. Well, and this is why I thought we could go for a run together and it would be fine.

SPEAKER_00 27:09

And I was like, nope, still can't keep up. Sarah's fucking like puking on the side of the thing, and I still am like, ooh, I'm gonna walk this section.

SPEAKER_01 27:20

There's just some good days and some really not good days.

SPEAKER_00 27:23

Yeah, I'm really sad to have caught you on a good day.

SPEAKER_01 27:25

That one sucked for me. I just like, you know, lucky, luckily for Ellen was one of the first who figured it out essentially, because we would like run to our strength class together, and there were some really rough mornings because it's like the middle of winter, I'm like super nauseous, like starting starting to get really symptomatic. Yeah. And I was like, I just need to stretch my back. And Ellen like started figuring out. She was like, This is super weird. Sarah's usually like not this slow. And didn't Payson on one of his podcasts?

SPEAKER_00 27:54

He was like, You look so tired, and you're like, Good for you for like turning around on a ride.

SPEAKER_01 28:00

I had to tell him after I'm fucking pregnant, dude. Yeah, after like weeks after that, I told him, and I was like, dude, you almost outed me on your podcast. He was like, We talked about like how he was like, that was really impressive that you had the like wherewithal and like you know, mental willpower to turn around. And I was like, Yeah, it's because this baby was forcing me to do so.

SPEAKER_00 28:21

Little dictator fetus.

SPEAKER_01 28:24

Yeah. So yeah, it's just been okay. So crazy.

SPEAKER_00 28:27

So uh I thought that it was a good question when we talked to Iz that you asked her how soon she told her sponsors. Yeah. And I feel like that was actually like without because anyone knowing, yeah, Iz didn't know. Um, that was good information for you on how to like move forward.

SPEAKER_01 28:43

I'd actually, I had asked her that before. Okay. Cause just because Iz knew that I was like ready. Yeah. And like there's a handful of my friends from the racing circuit that like knew that like we were ready to like start trying to have a family. Yeah. Um, I just didn't think it was gonna happen quite that fast. So fast. Um, which I feel very, very lucky for. Like, and and in my mind, I wanted to race this season. And then, like, if I could have planned it per no, no, sorry, not pregnant, but like trying. Like, in my mind, I was gonna try the whole season and then get pregnant magically, like the day that the season ended, you know, that like in my head, and it just didn't happen like that. And I've learned that there's truly just like, and our therapist told us this. He was like, There's just never like there's no perfect time, it's always like a good time and like the worst time. Well, and if it's really something that you want, then it it takes priority. And it also just will always take sacrifice. Yep. Um, and someone who's been really helpful for me has been uh my friend Ruth Edwards, um, who announced her pregnancy a bit earlier than I mean, she's a few months ahead of me. Um, but I was actually like talking to her on the way to record a podcast actually about her. She had just announced her pregnancy, and I was asking her so many questions because she's in the world to her. And um, that's a very different thing. Like you're basically like employed by your team, and they have like a pregnancy clause. And so she's she's pretty much like more set in in some ways, like it was a little more clear. Um, but then we were talking about it, and I was pregnant at the time and had no idea. Oh, really? I was like talking to her about all of that. So I had asked is like when she told her sponsors. So you sort of have to walk this line of like, okay, you need information from your doctor, you need these ultrasounds to like, I wanted to do the genetic testing to make sure everything was healthy, because like, you know, we have our own belief set with that.

SPEAKER_00 30:39

And sorry, I was just thinking about Steve Irwin getting killed by a manatee.

SPEAKER_01 30:48

Yeah, you know, the manatees barb through the heart. I'm pretty sure people swim with them. Like, I think they're friendly. I think they just poop a lot, maybe. No, they're really aggressive, they'll like chase boats. Manatees? Yes. Maybe I'm thinking hippo.

SPEAKER_00 31:04

Yeah, you can pose are really aggressive.

SPEAKER_02 31:15

I think manatees are super friendly, I think. Like it.

SPEAKER_01 31:21

All right, I'm gonna Google it.

SPEAKER_00 31:23

No, no, no, no, no. Just leave it.

SPEAKER_01 31:24

Okay, so talk about yeah, tell your sponsors. So, anyway, we got all the tests. You have to like wait a certain amount of time. I actually feel so much better that we got to the bottom of that.

SPEAKER_00 31:34

But you thought we were thinking it both.

SPEAKER_01 31:36

I'm I'm glad that you flipped that back around on me. And you're the idiot here.

SPEAKER_00 31:41

Okay, keep going.

SPEAKER_01 31:42

Um, okay, so we waited until I don't know what week I was. I've never cared about like weeks before, but this is how I know. Like I told my friend Tobin uh last night, and he was like, How many months long? And I was like, I have no idea how many months long. So I had to Google like what's 19 weeks.

SPEAKER_00 32:02

You didn't Google it? You didn't just use a calculator?

SPEAKER_01 32:05

I just like like well, no, because pregnancy weeks are calculated differently. Oh, oh, oh. It's a whole thing. It's a whole thing. It's not even interesting, but like, yeah, because you never know when you actually ovulate, even though I know exactly when I ovulated. So then can you calculate it differently? No, because they count it differently. Like so stupid. It's yeah. Like I said, I went from knowing nothing to knowing so much. Some. No, so much.

SPEAKER_00 32:33

Okay, so uh I think you were like a eight, it was early. Like you had had your first yeah, and then you told your sponsors.

SPEAKER_01 32:44

No, I waited until after genetic testing. Oh, right, yeah. So anyway, you like you just decide where your line in the sand is, and basically you make up these rules that aren't really rules, you just decide, like, based on what's going on in your life, when you're gonna tell people, and that's what because like I wanted to tell mainly I wanted to tell the lifetime grand prix. Yeah, like that's the spot because that affected other athletes. Um, and again, I can't stress this enough. Like, and I did feel bad. I know it's not my fault for living my life, but like if I had known that I was able to get pregnant that easily, I wouldn't have signed up for the Are you worried that people are gonna be upset with you about that? No, no, I don't care what other people think. I just felt bad for taking a spot from someone because this year was really competitive to try and get in. And um It's not like yeah, you were pregnant and then applied and got no no, no, but ironically, it was like when I found out um that I was in the Grand Prix, my the the cells were starting to divide in my body. I just had no idea. Wow, crazy. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it was so early, like I don't think it would have even shown up on a pregnancy test. But anyway, um so yeah, that was my that was truly like the bigger pressure that I felt was like to tell the Grand Prix. And if you don't know what the Grand Prix is, it's like, yeah, blah, blah, blah. Um Google it.

SPEAKER_00 34:14

And when you're at it, if you could just let us know about manatees, it would be great.

SPEAKER_01 34:20

Tell us, John.

unknown 34:21

They are uh famously docile.

SPEAKER_00 34:24

Famously docile. Not just dumb smile. Famously dumb smile.

SPEAKER_01 34:32

What about a nursing mother? A nursing mother manatee.

SPEAKER_03 34:37

Google that don't Google that.

SPEAKER_01 34:39

You don't need to do that. Don't use your data for that. Famously docile. People have you mostly free data at this point in time.

SPEAKER_00 34:47

Okay, so you're gonna talk about your fucking sponsors.

SPEAKER_01 34:54

So I told the Grand Prix and this. And you were stressed, like really stressed.

SPEAKER_00 34:59

This was like there were all these hurdles of like you need to like find out about the heartbeat and all these things. And then it was like, oh, and then I need to like figure out how to tell my sponsors if I'm gonna have like money coming in or a job or like any of these things.

SPEAKER_01 35:13

And I mean, there's still so many unknowns. In the back of my mind, I was like, there's a really low chance that any of my sponsors drop me. It's because of these. Well, not in not as an athlete in your contract, a lot of my contracts have this clause that most athlete contracts will have, um, especially like big contracts, um, have this, it's basically it protects them. So, like, if you just basically are like, I'm not gonna sign up for these races and I'm gonna be kind of chill. Um, so if you don't race competitively for like three months, sometimes the timeline is different, but like if you're not racing actively for three months, the sponsor then can terminate your pregnancy. Damn it, you sign those contracts. Including your firstborn. Ultimate contract. You really want to know you're gonna be a bike raiser. Okay, so no, that's take your firstborn child. You can terminate your contract. Contract. Oh my god. Take a breath. I really am like nervous this episode isn't recording for some reason, but it is. I hate when you say it's terrible. Anyway, um, so they can terminate your contract if you're not racing, but like I think that's so rare because like athletes get injured all the time and they don't get dropped. Yeah, you just have to communicate with people, it's just like any job. So anyway, um I the likelihood of someone dropping me because I tell them that I'm pregnant, yeah, I knew was fairly low, but there's also a chance. Sure. There's always a chance. Um, so yeah, I guess I was nervous about that. I'm still nervous because you know, my contracts end in 2026, so I have to re-sign for 27. Yeah, with a bunch of people.

SPEAKER_00 37:42

Anyway, but I do think that there like it seems like it does keep me up at night. Yeah, I bet. Um, especially because like there are other women who have done this, obviously, like is. Um but uh not a lot. There's not a there there are no.

SPEAKER_01 37:59

No, and it's always really different. Every contract is really different. Like there's there've been a lot of um world tour road racers who have become pregnant, had a baby, come back into the sport, and that's what Ruth is planning on doing, which is great. And and it's all like that that really did start setting the tone, at least showing people like publicly that you aren't just like some washed up mom after you have a kid, like you're still able to compete at the highest level.

SPEAKER_00 38:29

Well, and also some washed up mom is still fucking keeping a child alive, you know. Like now I know.

SPEAKER_01 38:34

I just like I'm I'm not saying like you're a washed up mom if you're not doing that, but just like that's the sometimes the mentality, especially amongst you know, I'm not even gonna get into that, but like it sometimes you feel like that, like okay, I'm not like I and I grappled with this new identity because like your life really does change, like the second and for me, like everything changed starting that first trimester. Like I'm not saying it's harder than like going to work every day as someone who's pregnant, because like that also is really hard to like go into the office every day when you're like feeling like you're gonna throw up or throwing up. Um but for an athlete, like I basically like stopped living my normal life. Like I stopped training, so like normally you gain weight in the second and third trimester, like your first it some women even lose weight um because they're throwing up so much. Um, but I gained all of the weight basically for the pregnancy. Not all of the weight. Well, not all. You're not done yet. It felt like I did, but I like you know, I have I've basically not my body hasn't changed since I mean, I don't know, in the last two decades, like oh yeah, you know, and it's it's been really hard to like see those change like because it happened pretty quickly, and I was prepared for that being challenging. It just is different, it's challenging in different ways that I didn't know. Yeah, like you knew it was gonna be hard, yeah, but then you're in it. Yeah, like you I think you ideal and everyone's really different, like some women, you know, and I'm short, like I'm five three, and pregnancy's hard for short girls. Like I've talked to a lot of my friends, and like you just I feel like I'm just getting closer to the earth and just slowly turning into just a beach ball. Yeah, which is honestly well like you're not super cool to watch gaining weight like in your uterus, like no, you're like my hips got bigger, yeah, which was cr that actually was like the the hardest thing for me because like I was like, oh my god, like I can't even put my like old pants on. And that happened in the first trimester, and I was like, Oh my god, am I gonna gain like 50 pounds?

SPEAKER_00 40:44

I mean, you might, yeah, because like you're also coming from like yeah, you go from like ultra-athlete, incredible fitness, like very low body fat, to then having to sustain another fucking life, and like you have to put you have to even get to like the normal set point and then go beyond that.

SPEAKER_01 41:03

So, like you probably will gain more than I don't know what is like what your doctor says, but like it all depends like how much weight you gain is like dependent on like what your body weight is when you get pregnant, right? Um, so like if you're really fit pre-pregnancy and like if you're an athlete, uh you're probably on the lower BMI side, which BMI is a dumb way to do it because it's but anyway, that's how they do it. And like basically the the thinner and leaner you are, the more weight you have to gain for pregnancy. So I'm looking to gain like 28 to 35 pounds. That's it. That that's a lot. Yeah, I mean, I know it's a lot, but five three, yeah. So how do you feel about all that? Honestly, better now. Like when it first you first start like not fitting in clothes, it sucks a lot. And especially before you have a baby bump.

SPEAKER_00 41:56

And I told you when you were going through this, I was like, let me do your guru for gaining and losing weight. I believe you said doula, your weight gaining doula, because I my weight has fluctuated all over the place, and I've gone through lots of different periods of things, and I'm like, welcome.

SPEAKER_01 42:09

Which is harder, I think, in some ways, because like for me, I have like maybe this is not good to do, but like I'm like, okay, this has a there is a birthday, there is a due date at the end of this, yeah, and then things change after that, like naturally. Like, I'm not saying I'm expecting it to just melt away, but like, you know, eventually, like, you know, you do get back to a life that's different than when you're in pregnancy.

SPEAKER_00 42:34

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:36

I mean, there's a lot to talk about with yeah, you know, but that's a whole different I guess like going back to because I want to say a couple more things about the sponsor stuff. Yeah. Um, but yeah, it's like first trimester is like super weird because you're like super secretive. I also wasn't ready to announce things publicly when I told my sponsors. Right. So you're like, hey, you guys also have to keep this. Yeah, because it felt really early, like for me. Yeah, you know, like now it feels appropriate because you know, if you see me, when you see me at Mid South, you'll be like, Yeah, she's pregnant. Um, but yeah, when I told my sponsors, I was like, oh, and also like by the way, this is on the super DL, which everyone really respected. But um, yeah, I think I think telling your employer is something that every pregnant person has to deal with, and it's stressful because you're gonna miss out on stuff. And um, anyway, so I uh I had one really cool thing happen, which is why I'm really excited that Training Peaks is sponsoring this episode. So I was starting a conversation with Training Peaks about working together for the season before I knew I was pregnant. So we I was like, I'm gonna do the Grand Prix, I'm gonna do the Gravel Earth series, I'm gonna go to Gravel World champ like UCI champs, like these are my goals, like la la la la la, like high performance athlete, and they're like Awesome. This is great. And uh then I was working with an agent at the time, and we were like, we're trying to get a pregnancy clause put into all my new contracts and even some of my older ones. And the in the time that we were going back and forth, and they were like, yep, let's get that pregnancy clause in there. It hadn't been like sent to what is the pregnancy clause. So if you have that, like it looks different for every contract.

SPEAKER_02 44:25

Oh, oh, oh.

SPEAKER_01 44:26

Um, it really does. Um, but like some of my some of the pregnancy clauses um have looked like basically it's a part of that, like we could fire you if you didn't race for three months, except for pregnancy. So it's sort of like an exclusion. And that like that's like Does that cover postpartum also? It's really vague. Oh. Okay. Yeah. But I think in some ways it's vague because people like if you're an athlete, like it's also kind of vague. So you can't really like put like parameters on that sort of thing. Um, I mean, I I don't know, that's at least what I I'll check back in. I guess I'll let you know what that looks like. Um, but I mean, it's sort of I mean, it's at least 10 months at minimum, if not more. Anyway. So with training peaks, we were in the middle of like getting that pregnancy clause put into the contract, ironically. And I found out I was pregnant and I was like, oh my God, I have so and like legally you have to well, no, I hadn't written I hadn't signed anything yet. We were in the middle of it. So I actually told Training Peaks a a new potential sponsor before anyone else, because we were in the middle of that. And I was like, hi, so about that pregnancy clause, we're gonna really test that. Yeah, and they were so awesome and they were so excited, and they officially signed me knowing that I was pre and I really could have easily backed out, easily, and like I would have actually very much understood totally because like what we went into that conversation all these deliverables, you know, that you can't deliver them like, but I also understand, like, hey, you want to find an elite athlete that's gonna be on the podium or whatever, like whatever they wanted. I would have really like and I truly was like, it's okay, like I'm not gonna go and tell the world like they're not gonna work with me because I'm pregnant. Like, it's just a totally different existence. Yeah. Um, and the fact that they were like, no, no, we're good. Let's tell the story, like, we're on, smart, good for them. So, yay, training peaks.

SPEAKER_00 46:32

I mean, it it also is like from an outsider's perspective and from like a normal person's perspective, I'm like, yeah, those are the kinds of like companies that I want to see like supporting yeah, like women doing all the things and like figuring out how to like, okay, then like postpartum, how you're like incorporating training peaks into like getting back on the bike and what that looks like and all the things.

SPEAKER_01 46:54

Like, there's a lot that well, I actually was wondering like if because I had I had told my coach really early, yeah. Um, obviously, yeah, and my nutritionist, and they're both on training peaks. So I was like, man, if tra I don't think legally they can look, but I was like, Yeah, probably not. But yeah, I was like, maybe they're looking and they're like, Oh my god, is she program? Because I think I had like ultrasound on my training piece. Oh, sure. Which that would have given it away. Maybe. I guess you can get ultrasounds other ways, could have been something else. Grady thought he knew from the podcast that I was pregnant because we had is on, uh-huh. And then we were going to ride in Moab, and I I couldn't go until a day later because I had to get blood work done, which is something I get done regardless of pregnancy. And he was like, What are you pregnant? That's fair. Like some people that's impressive for him. Not impressive.

SPEAKER_00 47:47

No, I think that's great.

SPEAKER_01 47:48

I think he just thought because we had is on the podcast.

SPEAKER_00 47:53

I mean, that also like, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:56

I just thought it was cool. Well, yeah, it is cool. It is cool. Is is cool. I feel like it's less cool now. Pregnancy, pregnancy. Do you?

SPEAKER_00 48:06

I feel like it's been really hard. I feel like your second trimester, like you were you were definitely like low there for the your first trimester. It was just a really big shock.

SPEAKER_01 48:15

So anyway, training peaks was like, yay. Yeah. And then the rest of my sponsors are like, awesome, great. So great. Do you want to talk more about sponsor stuff? No, I was just gonna maybe talk about the Grand Prix. Okay. Um so when I told that, and I'm still working through this with them, so it's a long process. Um, which, you know, I sort of like did like sidebar, like, hey, I know this probably doesn't work this way, but if we could instead of turning my spot into a wild card, can we put another athlete in? And specifically, I had an athlete in mind who I wanted to be put in. What'd they say about that? Um, they they're trying to make that happen. Oh, interesting. Yeah, it's just complicated.

SPEAKER_00 49:03

And that has nothing to do with like you endorsing it. It just is that like this person probably like deserved to be in.

SPEAKER_01 49:09

They were very much on the bubble. Yeah. Um, I think, you know, and if you've listened to other podcasts that I've been on, you could figure out who this person is. But um, yeah, they were on the bubble, and I was just like, and and the grand, you know, my contact at the Grand Prix agreed along with a couple of other people that you know that person should be put in, but I imagine it's really complicated. Because like when you're like, you know, you have it's it's a lot. Like there's we get writer cards, you have these things, like it's a whole there's only so much that you can so I'm just I'm I'm really wanting that to happen. But also, I was like, hey, this is a cool opportunity for the grand prix to start establ like I'm not gonna be the last female athlete that this happens to, and the situation is this. Um, I mean, luckily for me, it's it was before the season started. Um, so they would have to have very similar timing to, but I think that timing might continue to work for people because for me, we I I couldn't get pregnant during the season. No, totally. Like I we were sort of trying um at the end there. And it m your body, my for me, my body, I was still having periods, but like my my body was like, no, we're we're too stressed. There's there's too much. Like our body is taxed doing this bike thing. You're not gonna get like there's no room for baby in here. And then literally, like week one of the off season, I was like, okay, you're good to go now. So I think that truly, like that timing might actually happen for more women. Totally. Um, but anyway, so I'm trying to work with the Grand Prix to get my entry deferred to 2027 because I would like to race, and that's a yeah goal of mine to race in 27, but it, you know, it's complicated. Yeah, for this complicated. But for me and other women, that is sort of, you know, the Grand Prix is part of our lives and it's you know part of our jobs now as gravel athletes. Um and for them to do something like that, like in running when we had Abby on her spot, she got that spot to Western. Yeah, because someone was pregnant and dropped out. Totally. Which is crazy, which is cool that they like didn't just eliminate that spot, they bumped it down the line.

SPEAKER_00 51:25

Yeah, and and that makes sense for them to do that.

SPEAKER_01 51:28

And then maybe hopefully they let her back.

SPEAKER_00 51:30

I mean, what happened, like, okay, so obviously, like you know, and it's interesting because like obviously we talk a lot and uh you know, we have talked a lot about like you being pregnant, and and I think there are a lot of things that I'm like I haven't brought up questions to you because I don't I don't want to overwhelm you and I don't want to look too far into the future because at a certain point I don't think to you I've thought about it. I know, I know, but I at a certain point I don't think it's like incredibly useful, like what your therapist is trying to do, you know. So you know, I kind of prepare I'm kind of on the fence about even like bringing up questions about like well, what do you see yourself doing? Because there's so many things that can happen and your mind can. I was talking to one of my friends about you, and they're like, Well, is she gonna like keep racing? And I was like, I don't know, like Sarah, I think she like after like she has a baby, like she really wants to do it. And I was like, you know, and part of me feels really like nervous about that because we have no idea what this is gonna look like, what it's gonna feel like. And I was like, but on the other side of things, what Sarah wants, Sarah gets. And if Sarah decides that she wants to race, she will figure out a way to make that happen. Like you always have done that, you will continue to do that, but also you don't know what you're gonna want. Like things could be so different when you have a baby that like you don't necessarily you may not want that life, you know?

SPEAKER_01 52:50

Totally. And I've thought about all of that, and I talked to my therapist about that. And the thing that makes me the thing that's been hard is like my like here's the thing my identity has never been just one thing, totally, but your life starts getting taken over by that thing, and it can feel like really um what is the word um disorienting and pregnancy sort of uh felt that way in the beginning because it was like you know, I started fearing like, am I just and this is really no shade. Truly, I mean this from the depths of my soul. I love seeing other women's journey with pregnancy and motherhood. I think it's really cool. Um I just I don't feel like that. Like, like what? Like I don't want I don't want my life to just be the fact that I'm a mom in the same way that I don't want my life to be just that I'm a cyclist. Because I I want to be those two things together and myself as a person. And I was sobbing watching this one woman's in some ways the internet has been helpful, especially in that first trimester when I really wasn't telling anyone. Yeah. And and no one, I don't think I really told anyone who had had children other than like mom and Dylan's mom. Yeah. But it was really helpful to hear what other women were going through on the internet, which is funny. Um, and the thing that really made me tear up was like this woman who's postpartum, like freshly postpartum, and she's sitting in her car and she's like, I just miss my old self. And like it's gonna make me cry. And like, yeah, she's like, I will never be that person again. And like, yeah, just for my career, like my life has been about my career as a cyclist since I signed with specialize in 2018. Like, and my I've been so focused on that, and I love my life. And it also did feel a little empty too. Like, that's why we decided to do like we were really ready to do this, but at the same time, I don't feel I'm like bummed that I have to give it up.

SPEAKER_00 55:05

And I mean, there's grief, there's a lot of grief, I think. That yeah is and for everyone, but especially when like your job revolves around like the performance of your body. Yeah. Like there's gonna be some like challenging.

SPEAKER_01 55:18

Yeah, you've had spots.

SPEAKER_00 55:20

I think better give.

SPEAKER_01 55:21

Yeah, I cried in in Hawaii because it was um, you know, we brought our bikes, yeah. And I I will say, uh, I now understand why people care so much about what gearing they have on their bikes. I didn't, I I understood, but like now I really have felt that like my body, I am let me just preface like it was awesome having is on the podcast. I'm having an extremely different pregnancy than is. Of course, everyone, yeah. And I was not prepared for that mentally. Like I thought that if you were someone who liked suffering and liked to push themselves and have a fairly high pain tolerance, which I do, all those things, that you were gonna like, yeah, you're I was I knew I was gonna get slower. I knew I wasn't gonna like be winning any fun races. Yeah. But in the back of my mind, I was like, oh, I'll still be able to do like the things that Is did. That couldn't be further from the truth. Like, I have I the only thing I've been able to do consistently or consist, yeah, consistently is going to strength training. Yeah. But even so, I'm consistently getting weaker. It's crazy. Like well, the there's like weird shit that happens, like with the look relaxing in your mind. Relaxing really, really fucks with you. Yeah. It like but it also is like and so incredible that like your body is like everything is like held in two hands. Like what is really shitty in some ways is like is a really crazy cool thing.

SPEAKER_00 56:47

Like well, it's this like you're you're grieving, like it really is this like grief and celebration like uh balance, right? Where you're like grieving the stuff that you're like, oh, I can't do any of these things anymore, but I'm celebrating that like my body is doing these things to prepare for an incredible, like it just is there's a whole dichotomy of it, and it's yeah mind blowing.

SPEAKER_01 57:10

And I have I've had a really, really I don't like I've scaled down training, but and in some ways that has been easy because I really you just can't push through anything.

SPEAKER_00 57:20

I mean, the craziest thing too though is that like, you know, I know you haven't felt well, um, but you still have done a lot. And like there are some women who have what is the like HG or whatever it is where you like CG. No, no, no, it's the I can't remember what it's the hormone. No, that's not what I'm talking about. Just let me fucking spit it out. Um spit it out. It's the like when so it women are like so incredibly sick for the entire priority, like they cannot, they have to go to the hospital all the time to get like um IVs because they just are like they're they can't stop vomiting. Like it's just it's so like awful. You know, you have felt terrible and still there are like so many, they're just I know it's just hard for everyone, is what I'm understanding. Yeah, it just isn't easy.

SPEAKER_01 58:01

No, totally. And I'm sure like is had her day, like she and I know I've texted her, yeah. Um, but yeah, and and there's some women that are like literally like don't have symptoms, and that also kind of sucks because, like, let me tell you, what even when I was feeling really shitty, like you and I would say this, like, oh, well, kind of good. Like, and you know that like something is happening. That's true.

SPEAKER_00 58:22

I forgot that like every time, especially like early on when you were like, Oh, I feel so fucking nauseous. I'm like, good, phew, I kind of love that.

SPEAKER_01 58:30

It means like you've got a lot of hormones or things are ranging, some something's happening, yeah. And I think it's good totally, yeah. Yeah, and then you know, you go through like the walking up the volcano, basically, is what I did in Hawaii in my road shoes. Oh, and I I was like paperboying up a climb, which means just zigzagging backwards.

SPEAKER_00 58:51

And the shop the other day, they were like a cyclist person and uh immediately came in hot with a lot of terms, like I maybe knew what they were talking about, and I was like, No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. I don't know any of that, but they did say paperboying, and I pretended like I knew what that meant and I had no idea.

SPEAKER_01 59:06

Yeah, yeah. I guess that isn't or that is a cycling term. What does it mean? So, like uh, yeah, I don't know why it's called paper. Well, I guess paper boys, like on steep hills, because like maybe they had fixed gears. I don't know. They like instead of just climbing directly up the hill, it's like switchbacks, yeah. It's just you make your own switchbacks on the hill.

SPEAKER_00 59:24

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 59:25

Anyway, we hit this point. I mean, there was like moments on the climb that were like 16, 17% grade, which is steep, and I I was out of gears, and I just like I wasn't feeling well. We had driven half of it's like a a famous QOM, I think I talked about on the last podcast. Anyway, uh my friend Sparky has the QOM, which it's crazy. It goes from sea level to the top of this volcano, which is almost at 14,000 feet. Oh, wow. It's an insane, it took her six hours to do it, and she it's an impressive QOM. You did this ride? No, oh fuck no. I drove, we drove most of it. Good, and then we wrote which I already was like, that was killing me inside to drive. Yeah. Like, and I listen, I know I am pregnant. I know this, I feel it, I know it's not possible. It was making me sad to drive the climb that I would have loved to do. Like, I don't know the next time we get to go to Hawaii, and I have time to do that. I think when there's a little baby, yeah, and then and then we're on the like we're already doing it half-assed in my head, and I'm like, I didn't feel good, honestly. Like I really probably should have just not done it, but like we slept our bikes to Hawaii, like Dylan was being really supportive, and then he I was like, Can you please just like you don't need to ride behind? Like, I'm fine. Like, please enjoy like go and ride. Like, I was just I was looking at my power, and I was like, this is really hard, and it was just all uphill. And then we get to the observatory, which isn't even to the top, and I thought we were, and then and then we looked at the QM and I was like, Oh, you can go, or was sorry, we got to the visitor center, and there was more, and you have to go through this four-mile gravel sector, and the gravel was like so it was like sand, so you were just sinking in on the and I like almost crashed going uphill a couple times. I mean, crash would be like yeah, tipped over tipping over, yeah. But I was just like so frustrated with my body, and I like needed to turn around, but I really didn't want to give up because I like really I mean, you know, you've hiked with me, and like I just don't like not getting to the top of things, yeah. And it really was the first moment where I'm like, okay, this I really just can't do this. And I I was trying to push myself and I like don't have enough muscles in my legs right now. Like my muscles are gone. You know, it's interesting. I was trying. I I hear you. It's crazy. I do think it's interesting.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:51

Yeah, good, and you should. Um I I do feel like pregnancy is an interest, like it just kind of prepares you in a weird way for like what you're everything. I mean, and then I also think it doesn't prepare you. Like, I think there's you know, you you only can be as prepared as and then you're in it, and then you figure shit out on the fly. But like, you know, your life is gonna change in such a huge way that like yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:15

I think the thing that's triggering for most I've seen, I've seen this as like a trend on the the Instagram algorithm of pregnancy, which I am now on. Yeah, all my friends Vanessa will send me things not for me, but for you. I know she gets the same style.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:31

I said, did I send you the video of how to make your baby fart? Like, can you move them like a chicken? Yeah, you move just their bottom bit, you like hold their and just move their bottom. I was like, Sarah should probably need to know.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:47

Someone did that. Someone did that on their husband. We did that in Santa Fe. I did that on you. Honestly, a great trick for babies and pregnant bitches. Uh I was gonna talk about oh, the thing that does irritate me that I don't want to hear anyone tell me is the just you wait. Like when you like say something that you're experiencing, like I've been getting some insomnia, uh uh. Which is like definitely preparing me. Like, I've been texting Iz in the middle of the night. She's like, You up? It's like 3 a.m. Oh god. She's you know, does her baby doesn't sleep. Yeah. And neither does this baby. You. Me. Yeah. But um, I think it's really hard when when like you're just in it with pregnancy. And like, yeah, I don't know what is ahead of me. No, of course not. Yeah, I truly don't. And I will figure it out. And that's you totally will. Yeah, we just met with um a doula. I'm gonna have a doula. Yeah, I'm not doing a home birth. Don't you worry. That's not my journey. I think that's great for you. Yep. Good for whoever wants to do that. Not my not for me. Yep. She's like slowly like, you might want to think about a water birth. And I was like, mm-mm. You don't gloopy. That's so much gloopy things. Sure now. I don't want to see that floating next to you. You have like little big old manatees next to you. I'm gonna get birthed with the manatees. Yes, they're famously docile, so I think you could want a manatee to deliver my baby. Catch it with its flippers.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:24

Manatee doula.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:30

Is this the most unhinged pregnancy announcement? Oh my god. Anyway, um, so no water, Bertha. Oh, I don't know. She was like, we'll get there. We learned, but I I don't actually I don't want to hear too much because I kind of like just figuring it out for myself a little bit. Like pregnancy, like I do like hearing some things like that other women have experienced, but like with birth specifically, I certainly don't want to hear traumatic birth stories. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:02

I think you should just talk to your doula and because like they're trained to like tell you about the things that you need to know about and not the things that you don't.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:10

Like that's their job and the medical professionals to like take care of the stuff that like you don't need to know about.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:15

No, totally. And I'm not, yeah. I learned when Dylan and I were sitting on the couch, we met with her for two hours. Yeah. And she's one of our friends. She's our like, she's our neighbor, she's friends, she's an athlete. Yeah, checks all the boxes, and she's a doula. Um, but we were just sitting there like, huh? That happens? Like that happens. I truly like learned so much.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:34

What was the like thing that you were like, what? Like the one thing that you can remember that like blew your mind.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:39

Not not that she told me this, but I I didn't until recently, I don't think I learned it in pregnancy. I think I learned it earlier last year. I thought like labor was pushing. I didn't know because like in the movies, I don't know. I'm not listening I'm not one of those people who was into pregnancy. Not you. Just listen, world, honestly, listen. Listen me. Listen Linda. Listen. I just, yeah, I thought just you were just like for like, you know, 24 hours or however long people labor. But laboring is like active labor. Yeah, they're like the increase of like your contractions. And then you're literally only pushing for like five to forty-five minutes. Yeah. And there's a lot of because it's like really exhausting, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:24

Yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:24

Yeah. It's yeah. But anyway, I'm actually like pretty excited about we don't need to talk about birth. Um, I'm trying to think about what questions people are gonna have for us about birth. No, just about oh, I guess the thing that we have been asked, because now I look pregnant, so like all the women in my weightlifting class they want to know if it's got folds or if it's got a little wiener. That's what everyone wants to know. Yeah, so we're waiting. And I yeah, we're doing a surprise. Surprise. We're gonna find out later. Yeah, I guess we'll see what their genitals look like. Yeah, you need to see what their genitals are like. Am I gonna be using a baby wipe? Exactly. Which also I'm not excited for. Why do you think I married Dylan?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:05

You think he's gonna just do all of the diaper changing? I do.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:09

I don't know that, but like, yeah, all the yucky ones for sure will be him. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:17

I could totally see him being the kind of guy that just is like, uh. And I can see you being pissed about it.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:25

I think I'm gonna be that guy. I think you might be that guy too. We're just like, I'm definitely that guy. The only thing I'm nervous that Dylan and I are both nervous at about for him is he honestly Dylan does so many things really, really well. Like, so like truly couldn't be luckier. The one thing I don't think he does well, he and he would agree, um, he doesn't handle lack of sleep well. We are surely nervous about that because we are aware, don't, don't you just you wait me because I know we're not gonna be sleeping. So, right now in my head, I'm gonna be moving into our guest room with the baby and trying to allow Dylan to sleep as much as possible. Like four feet away from you, yeah, fucking right. Well, he's gonna have to get earplugs. Um, but yeah, we're we're gonna try we're gonna try that and we're gonna see how it works. Yeah, I know everyone's gonna be listening to this and like, yeah, good luck. Can I talk about just for a second, um, like what it means for our family?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:25

Sure. And like how I feel, how I feel about it.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:28

I would sorry, I have not asked. I would you have to do it. Hey, um, I'm also here if you felt like asking me this. It's just been like five months of me not talking about me. That's okay. You still have been talking about yourself just in other ways. You will always find a way.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:45

And you have. How has it been for you? I'm really, I'm really excited. I mean, I'm I'm nerve I'm excited and really nervous. I am because I because I'm nervous about well, I'm nervous about your mental health because that's fair. I mean anyone. Like it's not just like a you specific, like that's it's a huge change. And I also know who you are and how you are. Um, and I think it's I mean, I know it's gonna be really hard. Yeah. Um, and I also am like so excited about it because I think it's gonna be really fun. And you know, from like a selfish point of view, like I, you know, I've talked about like not knowing if I want or don't want kids, and I feel like it's this opportunity to um well it's kind of an excuse to not have like if I don't want to have kids, to like still because I it's not that I don't want to be involved in like the upbringing of of a kid in the world, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:38

Um, but I don't necessarily want it to be like my kid. I think it's fine. Um I I mean I love to hear that. I I'm like planning on being like really, really, really involved. Thank God, that is music to my ears.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:49

Well, I mean, I'm glad that I hope you're like still excited about it. But like my goal is to just be like you could live a little closer. I know, I know thirty thirty-five minutes is a little far, but I mean I'm planning on like really being there. Yay, yeah. Yeah, and not just like for like the beginning bits, but like like really being there, unless they're and and and then skipping like ages like two to four because I don't like kids of that age, which is funny because I I'm curious what I'm also not really into kids.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:16

Five, two to five, two to seven. I'm like zero to eighteen. See, I like them once they're like in middle school or like later elementary school. I'll remember that like when I have a middle school. It depends on if you have a boy or girl, honestly.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:28

I know, and and we feel really like I really hope you raise a cool kid because if they're an asshole or really annoying, then I'm not gonna want to be around them. I changed my mind. I'm actually not excited. No, I am so excited. And I was thinking about like, you know, our little family. And and like really, we have a small family. Yeah. There are no, I mean, we have cousins who live far away who have kids who are now like more grown up, you know, in high school and stuff. Um, but like you are gifting our entire family a new family member. Yeah, that's cool, which is so cool. Like everyone is so excited to have like we get to have a new person in our family.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:11

I know it's crazy, which is wild and so exciting. I know. I'm like when I need to like pump myself up about like the positives when I'm feeling bad. Yeah. Um, I honestly think about you being this kid's aunt. Oh, cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:27

Thanks. That makes me feel better.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:29

Yeah, I mean, truly. And I mean, Dylan and I have also really relied on you through the pregnancy, too. Cause like you're you're our family member that lives here. Yeah. And who were default who were the closest. I mean, you know your family when you walk into our house this morning and Dylan didn't speak to you totally. I was like, okay, good morning.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:52

I also had nothing to say to him either. I was just like, it's morning, Sarah's stressed. Let's get going. I'm a little late. Whoopsie.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:00

Cell phone holders. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:04

Yeah. No, I'm excited. And you know, the other thing, um, because Dylan obviously is part of this. Um, and especially the like first trimester, it was like a switch went off in him. Went on in him, honestly. He is different. Totally. Something has changed in him in the coolest way possible. Like, I notice how he is with you, where he like nice. He's so nice.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:29

Like, he's more like, I mean, he's accommodating and trying like it's nuts. Like, it has really shifted for him. Like, he is different. I truly don't know how people, how women get through this single.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:42

Sometimes I don't know how they get through it with their shitty partners.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:45

With a shitty partner.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:46

Like, I and he's probably gonna really piss you the fuck off. Oh, because uh women really hate their husbands.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:52

There's a there will be a moment for the first like and and vice versa. Five years of child rearing. And we're we are trying to prepare for that with I mean, thank God we have a good couples therapist. Oh god, yeah. We really are working to like, you know, we're we're aiming to have that as little as possible, but we know that it's gonna happen. It's gonna be a thing. Yeah, it's just impossible. Like you're both just so fried. I mean, we're already like I knew so early on in our relationship that Dylan was like the person that I would want to, you know, be with. And then when the kid conversation started coming up, like we made that together. And Dylan and I both felt really 50-50 for most of our relationship, yeah, until like our early 30. I mean, I I hit it first, like I would say, like I was like, Oh, I actually think I'm leaning more towards like 60-40 on this. And then Dylan would kind of like catch up to that, and then so on and so forth. But I remember like having that conversation with him, like we were sitting on the couch, and I was like, Hey, I actually think I really want to do this, and then like you know, it was a long process, like you know, getting the IUD out like was two years ago or whatever, and like it's a whole thing, but I was like, I don't want to do this if this really is something you don't want, because no one, I care about our relationship, and I like that's really valuable to me, like having you know Dylan in my life, and also like I don't know if I wanted a kid more than I wanted Dylan, so like if he didn't like I mean, I guess it's impossible to play that game, but like we would have figured something out, but yeah, yeah, I just I was like, I need you to sign on because like I'm not wanting to do this alone, and especially now knowing what I what the first trimester and pregnancy and like what everything we're doing has felt like, um, there's no fucking way. Thank God Dylan has been. I mean, we also have really we're really lucky in the jobs that we have right now that there's a lot of flexibility. Like, there's a lot of there's a lot of flexibility. That's a big deal to a fault. Like for me, it it sometimes feels like a bummer because I have like my life changed immediately, like yeah, day to day. But anyway, Dylan has been honestly, he's turned into quite the chef. He's he's I've been like, uh, you know what I'm really craving this morning are birthday cake pancakes and fried pickles.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:15

Yeah, the pickle chips. I think you pulled out, he whipped out some pickle chips, pibble pips right out of the air fryer.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:22

He just figures it out. I know. I the other day, my favorite, one of my favorite restaurants in town, RGP's, shout out. Oh, it's been so long. Um, they're closed on the weekends, bummer. Uh, and I was really craving an RGP's wrap, which Dylan used to work there in college, and he figured out. I mean, then they're very specific, like it's like a pizza dough that's grilled, and it's like a sandwich. Anyway, you figured it out. Figured it out. Made a Chipotle. You know, the I could spend the entire episode talking about like what food is yucky to me, but really the only food that's yummy to you is sourdough. Honestly, this baby is being born truly on just like mac and cheese and sourdough. It's a carb baby. No, that's my baby. I'm actually birthing my sister's child. I might just give birth to a loaf of sourdough at this point. And in that case, true, so I'm here for water birth. And we call him Mac.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:33

Oh my god. Okay. So yay, you finally get to talk about it. Okay, and I'm done. Um we do have, I mean, we have four more months to talk about your pregnancy.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:46

Truly. Like, that's it's oh, I sorry, I totally forgot to talk about uh the bike thing, why I chose I sorry, I was supposed to loop that in. This is an unhinged, unhinged episode. But in the beginning, when I was talking about the bikes that I've been riding, I was like, oh, if someone really knows me, like I'm not usually like an e-bike person or um actually I do like training on the diverge, but the diverge has been it's a great pregnancy bike because it sets you up a little bit higher. The butt my bars are a bit higher, um, and so there's like more room for the belly, and then also it just it's so stable on the descents, and so I feel really safe. And it honestly, like it has been the go-to rig because like some days, like you go out and you're like, okay, this is gonna be a 30-minute road ride on the diverge, and good, great, done. And then someday, like yesterday I went out and rode with Maud and Ellen, and I was like, I have literally no idea how how I'm gonna be feeling because like I bonked on a one hour ride. Like I got so bonked, like my I even had like tailwind in my bottle, like I was drinking a drink mix, and I still like my blood sugar just like plummeted. I didn't I didn't bring a snack because it was I was going out for an hour, and I got so bonked that I was like getting like weird visual things. And I it was when we were meeting our duel, and I was so slow that I was like had to go straight to that appointment and uh housed this cookie that then gave me the worst acid reflex.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:18

Wow, god, it does sound fun. I think being an aunt might be the way to go.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:24

Truly, I yeah, I couldn't recommend pregnancy less, honestly.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:30

If there was another well, I guess there are other means to have children, but there are.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:33

I understand why people choose surrogacy.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:40

This is brutal. Oh, we should probably get to wrapping it up. Okay. Um well, we also have to talk about Mid South. Oh, because we leave in two days.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:48

Okay, yeah. So we have a So when this comes out, this is this will come out on Wednesday. We'll be flying to Mid South, but um, we couldn't really talk about the dates because we're gonna be recording our live podcast during the pro race. Yes. And that would have raised some questions, perhaps. Like, wow, Sarah's really cares about the podcast over her racing care. She said, Fuck it. You know what's more fun, honestly, though. Yeah. So the pros will go off on Friday um in the afternoon, and then we're gonna start our podcast at 1.30, um, which will be kind of like a floating 130 because there also is the pro non-binary race that will go off at 1.30. So we won't, we're trying not to like interfere with that too much. Um, but yeah, so if you're at Mid-South and not a pro, um, once you watch all the pros go off before you get your packet and do all the, you know, event things, um, come hang out with us at uh District Bikes, um, which there's the address will be on the flyer. Um and we're yeah, we're gonna do a live little chat. I have no idea how it's gonna go. I mean, we never do. Yeah, but we will have some awesome stuff to give away. Like so many fun things. I'm like, can I get a door prize too? Yeah, so we have some door prizes. We'll give you guys a little ticket, um, and we'll that's how we'll sort out how to do all the door prizes. Don't worry, we've got it figured out. Yeah, don't worry, we have that super dialed in. Um and yeah, they're like Garmin has given us some sick gear and some of the things we've talked about on the pod. Uh, we got Topo Designs, we have Silka, uh uh we have sorry, Tailwind. Tailwind and Silka are the main presenting sponsors, and there is a sick uh prize from Silka, which you're not gonna Yeah, you haven't even seen it. No, I haven't even seen it. I can't wait. Yeah, and then Tailwind, which is great because um honestly, I wouldn't encourage you to try anything for race day that you haven't done, but truly, like especially nutrition-wise, but truly like Tailwind is the drink mix that people I'm like, you can do like drink it when you're partying afterward, right? You can electroly, you can get so electrolyte. Actually, you could you could pre-load so like people will like pre-hydrate. So slam that because it's gonna be really nice. Anyway, come and join us. We'll have tons of information on that um on our Instagram, my Instagram. Um, anything else? I think just a wrap wrapping up the sponsors. Okay, as I mentioned before, I feel like this is a sponsor-heavy episode. Um, we're really monetizing this pregnancy. It's really the only reason Sarah got pregnant. Yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:34

Oh, wait, can I just really quickly I just finished this book last night while I also couldn't sleep because Apple was staring at me. Yeah. Um, it's called Yesteryear. It comes out in April. And it yester yesteryear? Shit, now I can't. Yeah, I think that's what it's called. No, I'm pretty sure that's what it called. It just like sounded weird coming out of my mouth. But it's about um this woman who's a trad wife. Um, and then she like wakes up in like 1805 and is actually having to trad wife it. Oh, and like it's like these two stars. Um, it's it I can't remember exact her name. Uh this is her this is her first novel. Um, it's her debut novel, and it was good. I thought it was going one way and it went like I I really enjoyed reading it the entire time. And then I got to the end and was like, damn, I liked it even more. Like it was very good.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:24

Oh yeah, I did. I I've been having some, sorry, well, just kidding, it's not over. Um, yeah, I've been having some really bad insomnia, as I've we've talked about a lot. Um, and so when bike racing isn't on, that's the only plus is that I've caught like the strata bianchi. Watch that whole thing, both the men and the women's race at four in the morning. Strata bianchi. Yeah, I thought that was a type of like Italian dish. Yeah, like an Italian dish. I mean, it is in Italy. Okay. Um, and Bianchi is a type of bike, but yeah, it's a like a famous spring classic. Um anyway, la la la. Um we don't want to talk about that. Blah, boring. But I yeah, I try not to look at my phone when I like I just wake up at three or four in the morning because I have to pee a thousand times. Um, but then I'm just I really am my brain is just awake. Yeah. Um, and so Hannah suggested that I get a Kindle.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:16

Which, as a physical bookshop owner, like I don't always love that, especially because there isn't a way to get um like the book credit other than like if you go through Libby, it's perfect, but like Amazon has such like a corner on that. Idicate that. Don't love that. But an e-reader is huge for like nighttime and like one-handed reading.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:35

The book light would Dylan is a really good sleeper, other than light. Like, if there's like a tiny little flashing LED, he's like, and like has to like put a towel over. Yeah, it's crazy. Well, hopefully so that works. The Kindle will be great. It might be the move. Yeah. Anyway, you should read yesteryear because it's Okay, yesteryear. Sorry, I was supposed to ask you one question and I forgot. I said, remember to ask me about by the book I just read. Literally, but it's not about me.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:02

Yeah, but but I I don't know anything about it and has nothing to do with me.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:06

It does sound really good because I like figured you would like it. I think my brain is melting, so I like can't read anything of like and it's like it's unhinged in a like love that yeah, I needed to pull me quickly and it will, and I yeah, I like got to the end and was like, wonder how many pages that was.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:21

And I was like, Oh, that was 400 pages, but I like plowed through it.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:24

Yeah, didn't feel like it or not.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:27

Yeah, don't do that one. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, okay, now we should wrap it up.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:31

Okay, thank you so much, Training Peaks and Specialized. Um, if you missed the intro, I'll just quickly recap. Um, Training Peaks is a training platform where you can keep track of your training. Um, it looks different for coaches and athletes, which which I learned. Um, and you can have a free account, but the premium is the way to go because you get Training Peaks virtual, um, you get uh the GP Explorer, um, which is a great feature where you can load uh a GPX file of any race or ride you're doing and have that become virtual reality around you with a like little avatar. Um, and you get all that with the premium subscription so you don't have to go through other like you know, Zwift or whatever. Um, so you can use code STERMI, I think it's a capital S. Sorry, I'll clarify in the show notes, but STERMY S-T-U-R-M-Y for 20% off of premium subscription. Um, and then thank you, specialized my, you know, tried and true. Tried and true, but specialized bicycles, um, if you haven't heard of them.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:40

Specialized is the one that like when I tell people that my sister is a professional cyclist and they kind of like that, and I'm like, no, no, like she like writes for specialized, and then they go, Oh, oh, funny. She's like actually she's legit, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:53

That's the one might be on Instagram, and she's like, they're like, I don't know. She does seem like a personal. But we love, we love do bring a lot more color to the brand. Um, anyway, thank you, Specialized, um, for sponsoring this episode and allowing me to talk about all the great bikes that you make um for pregnancy, pregnancy bikes, honestly. Classic market. Uh, truly, I'm like really excited to like ride the shit out of the e-bikes this year because I usually don't have time to ride them very much. Like they're recovery day bikes, but um the Turbo Levo R has been really fun, especially as like more trails and Durango become e-bike friendly. Um, I'm really excited because God, I truly used to be a climber and now I'm truly not. Um, so thank you, specialize, thank you, Training Peaks, thank you, um with pace.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:46

And Hayson and Nicole for letting us use their studio today.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:49

Yeah. Yeah. Uh and thank you, Lily. Yeah, and thank you, everyone. Wow, thanks all around. Okay, see you at oh god, just Chris. I'm sorry, I'm gonna break the studio. We should get out of here. See you at mid-south. Bye. Can I you click it?

SPEAKER_00 1:27:02

I can't.