Lady Whistledown, the Cape Epic, and race coverage

Sarah and Hannah are back from Mid South after a very stressful return journey that ended in free ice cream. Sarah has some grievances to air and also some pregnancy purchases to discuss, while Hannah has a theory that connects gravel to the Netflix period romance ‘Bridgerton.’ A lot has been going on in the bike world lately, so they catch up on the nail-biter of Milan-San Remo and the drama at this year’s Cape Epic. Plus, they dive into the renewed controversy surrounding race coverage and rider safety. 

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Welcome to Talking Over You with Sarah Sturm and Hannah Sturm. Here we go. If you're gonna be an asshole, be funny. At least be funny. I thought it was a man coon. We need to have like a real athlete on here. It makes me consider different careers every time I have to pee in my chamois. God damn. It's just never easier. I I wonder for other podcasters if they just like walk into a place and it's all set up and they just put headphones on, they just go, okay, here we go. I actually did hear the Giggly Squad girls won like some podcast of the year award. Yeah. And um they were like, Yeah, we went up there with like their Gen Z producer, Grace. And they're like, it was the three of them, and all these other podcasts had like teams of 30. Crazy. And so I'm like, yeah, I don't know. We're in our tiny office, and like, I don't know, I'm just getting larger every week. And so I want to fuck with the camera angles. And I hear you. I hear you. Well, we'll give you all the good light, you'll get the best camera angles, all sit in the fucking shadows and look like a little gremlin. No problem. I got it. Oh man. Hi, happy Monday. Um, I went and just got my haircut, which I so I went and saw a new person that I haven't seen before, but she works at the same salon as my last person. And I was like, I feel like I need to send a text and be like, oh, I I'm going to see somebody new. Cause like it's a whole thing of like having to like break up with your hairdresser. Um, and then she came in like halfway through the haircut, and I was like, the old one, the old one that was like I'm so sorry, I feel like I'm cheating on you, but everyone was very cool about it. Um, but it was really funny because the girl who I just went and saw, she like specializes in curly hair, and like what a dream to which anyone with curly hair knows. Like everyone without curly hair is like a a specialist. Even the fact that I am here without a hat on. I do have my hair in a ponytail and like my baby has faced some adversity. Hey, listen, it is she's overcome. Sarah, you don't understand. Like, what happens at getting you do understand, you do, but you have shaved head. Um yeah, it makes me definitely not understand that at all. But like I always wonder what it's like to like go get your hair cut and get it like blown out, and then like you know, when you see people leaving the salon and they go to get blowouts and then don't like fuck with it afterwards. Oh, like I love coming, like they plan things so that they have something like to like big after not curly girls, not curly girls, not curly girls. You put a hat on, yeah, you go home and you wash your hair again and you style it your way. Slap a helmet on, yeah, and then I shower, and it doesn't look good for like a couple days. Yeah. Oh, days, two days, yeah, two weeks. It takes it, and even today I'm like, okay, this is like acceptable, but like we're gonna need a few, like, see me next week and it'll look better. But we were joking, uh, you know, just talking about all like curly hair things, and I was like, okay, like, do I need to get a silk pillowcase? And she was like, you know, I don't know if it makes like a huge difference, but people swear by it. And I was like, you know, marginal gains it's like Hannah Broadway. Oh my god, I learned something from the podcast. Recycling lingo. So curly hair, marginal gains. I'm thinking about getting a silk pillowcase. I thought you already had one. No, I don't like how they look. I also don't really like how they feel. Don't get one. I think I want one. Okay, get one. I want to give it a loves of product. Listen, I want to give it a try. Um, I'm gonna introduce Dylan's. I'm not gonna introduce Dylan and his bad attitude today. We got a new soda stream, but I'm really glad that he's just decided today to do it. We got like a fancy one because we need fancy things. Speak you literally just were like, she loves a product. So does Dylan. Okay, talk about our sponsor. Um I just feel like it's so crazy to be back in the studio recording just after like a whirlwind. And I had a podcast yesterday. Yeah. Anyway, just a lot. I do want to talk about coming back to real life, but yeah, talk about um okay. Well, we're picking right back up with specialized. Um they have been a sponsor of mine since I became a pro athlete. So they really have believed in me since 2018. And boy, a lot has happened. I was thinking back to, I mean, a lot has changed in the bike industry. Like gravel bikes have come a really long way since 2018. Um, and it's really special to get to um race for a company that um is sort of like leading the charge. I mean, it's really wild. The total innovation that comes from specialized is pretty impressive. And it's like a little bit of a stressful point as an athlete because you're like, okay, I'm gonna race this totally new technology at Unbound, like the biggest race of my calendar. I mean, I really like it. Some athletes that are a little more type A kind of struggle, but like they've come out with some really sick bikes for gra, especially for gravel, um, because it's sort of like this new frontier, um, like the STR, which is this like, I mean, dual dual suspension, if you will. It's called suspend the rider, but that was like a couple years ago, and then that's evolved back into like the diverge that was like kind of their first gen, and they've adjusted things with the diverge. And it's just cool to see like how they adapt to like what we do in races, like tire clearance is getting bigger, and it's not just specialized, but specialized, I would say when they when they do something, they really, really do it and they figure it out um really well. So it's awesome to get to like race bikes that I'm like, I just have full confidence in them. And I'm like, yeah, they're big time, they are big time. I was uh this guy came into the shop, and we don't I don't talk about the the podcast a ton unless it like really comes up. He was like, Well, what do you do? and all the things. And I was talking about the podcast and he was like, Well, do you have sponsors? And I was like, Yeah, we get sponsors. And he was like, he goes, Man, one of these days maybe you'll even have specialized we do achievement. Get out of here. He was like, What? That's crazy. No, it isn't. I was like, don't listen. You won't like it. I promise. It's so many people, they're like, Oh, you have a podcast. I'm like, honestly, I don't think it's for you. I'm not even gonna give you the name. I'm not gonna tell you. I'm not gonna, if you don't find it organically, it's maybe not for you. Surely, surely. Uh, but a specialized bike might be. So specialized is for all. Honestly, like, I have been asked f several times like the last couple weeks, like, which bikes I recommend. And I'm really honest with people. I'm like, listen, I've I will tell you my honest opinion, but I have to like fully disclose the fact that I've exclusively ridden specialized equipment for pretty much the last decade. And I was like, how does so unbiased? And I was like, but I really truly believe in the stuff that they make. Like, there hasn't been something that I'm like, ugh, this is such a bummer that I have to have to use. And I with their like they have a women-specific saddle that I like, even if I leave the brand, you know, when I retire, whatever, I will still recommend the specialized women's saddles to other women because it they're incredible. Anyway, um, I just had this whole conversation with people I ran into yesterday um riding mountain bikes here in Durango, and they were asking me, and so I told them all the things. All the things. So okay. I just need a little bit to complain, and then I'll get into like the fun things. You want to complain right now? Yeah. Okay, go for it. Let's hear it. You can't complain about Dylan. No, I'm not gonna complain about Dylan, but he would be first on the list. But if you could, you would. Um, no, we're just getting to the point with like pregnancy and like prep for everything that it's like, oh my god, we have so much stuff to go through. We just had a huge gear sale here in Durango. I got rid of so much stuff. Like, as an athlete, you just acquire, you acquire a lot of hats, like literal hats. People just give you hats all the time. So we have a lot of hats, a lot of water bottles, and a lot of chamis, and I sold a lot of them. Used chamis, big used chamois market here in Drain. I do think that's icky. I agree, but also they're like$400. So like you're not you don't wear underwear wash them though. I know, but it is like sharing underwear. Wearing unwell, but like underwear that absorbs stuff, which is a good thing. You wear it, you're sharing, you're sharing diapers, and I think that's yucky. But I also get that that's maybe the appeal. Like, people want your pads. Oh, yeah. I don't even want to share the story, it's too embarrassing. Oh, please. No, I will tell you offline, but I'm not prepared to like have people know of that about me. Um, but anyway, uh, we had this like huge gear sale. Uh, and honestly, like the funny thing is like it's just like all the little Devo kit, like the little junior athletes that fit in all my cycling stuff. And so then the next day we were on a ride uh yesterday with all the like Rafa girls that I train with, and because I'm finally feeling better so I can ride with people again. Yeah. Um, and we saw someone in like one of our team kits, and we were like, oh, is that Lauren? We're like, who was that? And then it said Sturm on the side, and I was like, Oh, it was one of the girls that bought my skin suit. You're selling the stuff that's like your it's like I guess it's like getting jerseys. Yeah, totally. I mean, some of it's like I mean, I sold them for like 20 bucks, you know, it's a$400 skin suit. Damn, that's awesome. Yeah, but I mean it was really cute. We're like, oh, that's fun. She was stoked. I love that. She looked like part hop in. What else do you want to complain about? I am at to the point where um we have so much stuff that I want to get rid of, but like I'm one of those people that attaches sentimental value to literally everything. Everything. Yep. Like I have a pair of van slides that we bought when I we were in town for Lauren Shonda's memorial. And I don't want to get rid of them. Yeah. They're that's 2018, 2019. Yeah. Anyway, I so it's just like going through stuff like that, but then also like the anticipation of like how much stuff we're gonna get. Yeah. And I don't want a lot of stuff. Like I re we really haven't bought anything yet. You know, but then mostly I'm to the point where I'm like, do I wear my pants over? No, I know, but then there's like this whole thing, it's really weird. Is it uncomfortable to wear it down? It is really uncomfy, and I just it looks like a beer belly. Anyone who's been pregnant knows this feeling. Totally. And I'm telling you, as somebody who's not pregnant and not just you like it, you look pregnant. You look pregnant, you don't look like you have a beer belly. Like, I actually kind of wish, you know, like how the thing, like in you know, modern culture is like you never assume that a woman's pregnant, ever. I kind of wish people would. Well, yeah, because you're pregnant as somebody who's super skinny. These people just think I would hate if somebody assumed that I'm not sure. I know, I feel like there's there is the alternative, and that's the reason why you don't. It's not for the it's not for the women who actually are pregnant. I know, but for all of us who are pregnant, it's really annoying when you're like having this whole conversation. Like, there's like a couple people that were like, Why aren't you racing at Mid South? And I was like in my spandex, and I was like, Do I not like do they do I not look pregnant? Your spandex is a little bit harder to tell pregnant. It does smush it down. It smushes it a little bit, but like Which I'm sure is really good for it. This is a problem, this is a problem that you're gonna have for another week, maybe. Like every single time I see you, I'm like, you look more and more pregnant. Like it is unmistakable. It's just it's also people don't I haven't bought maternity stuff yet, so that's part of it. I just am wearing Dylan's pants. Yeah, and I think that's great. Yeah. Oh god. I know. I think the the body stuff seems it is hard. Yeah. And every woman struggles with some part of it. Like, I thought it was just gonna be like your tummy just blip goes out. That's fine, but no, you're like your hips get really wide. That was really an adjustment for me. I almost don't want to say this. I'm actually not going to, because I don't want you, I don't want you to fixate on it. Um well, like some women's like like faces change a lot. I know noses change a lot. Do you think I have it? No, Sarah, I don't think you have it. I just it was a of course I know about pregnancy notes. I was like, ah, I shouldn't fucking put this in your head. I don't want you to be in there. I already know. It's so crazy. Yeah. So anyone who's fighting pregnancy right now, yeah. I don't know what the antidote to it is. I don't think there is one. I think I mean, other than the fact that you're like you have a healthy baby and that's totally cool. Okay, but it's so then the good things we have a fun 20-week scan, or well, there it's called the anatomy scan. So you get it at like halfway in pregnancy, and you get because like this thing is just growing in you. Your skin's stretching, you're feeling all these weird things, and you're just like, I don't know, I think it's still in there. You have no idea. So every time you get to see an ultra uh an ultrasound, you're like, woo! It's in like there it is, and it was crazy to see it moving. It was like sucking its fingers and like kicking its little legs. It looked really long to me, so then I convinced myself while sitting at the ultrasound that I was like, this is a really long baby, it's huge. This thing is huge inside of me. And then, you know, they don't tell you anything, they just are like, There's its gallbladder, and I'm like, Cool, thank God. Oh, that's really what I came into. It's not actually. They don't need it, but they're like, There's its lips, and Dylan and I are like, ugh. Oh my gosh, the picture that you sent me, I was like, those are its eyeballs. The eyes are so guppy. It does look yucky, like a yucky little guppy. Everyone who I've I mean, it's so funny. Like, all my friends will be like, oh my god, so cute. Like everyone's really excited for the oh my god, you're getting the enabled. It's so cool. And I'm like, it is really cool, but at the same time, one, I don't know what the hell I'm looking at. Like it really, like if anyone's seen an ultrasound of any body burned, like these, these the tech is just like moving this thing around, and she's like, okay, counting the vertebrae. And I'm like, where's the vertebrae? Where's the baby? Are you sure you're like, honestly, I kind of want to just see what all my other organs look like. Counting my ribs. Those are mine. That's my vertebrae. Oh my god. But then we like go to the doctor and she basically interprets everything. And I was like, So, like, can you like tell us how much it weighs or like how long it is in comparison? She's like, Well, we can measure its femur. So she measured its femur, and it was like a very clear, like you could see the femur. Yeah, when you point it at her. And I was like, it's a long femur. I told Dylan, I was like, it's a really long femur. She was like, the femur's 3.5 centimeters. Oh my god, you're thinking it's like Dylan Feminism. I was like, it's like a Dylan femur inside of me. Nope. No, tiny. And then she was like, and that puts your baby in the 30th percentile. So it's a tiny little baby. Little baby. She's like, but there's also a reason we don't tell people this information right now. Be kind of nervous about it. No, she was like, because there's so much growth that happens in the third trim. It's that pregnancy nose, it's getting in the way of your mouth. It sounded like a third trimethro. It sounded like a fart, an actual fart. Oh my god. Uh-oh. So anyway. So, and I know like going into this, you know, because last week we were at Mid South and you're now very like public about being pregnant, and it was right before it was. And this is a big scan, you know? Yeah. So I imagine you feel yeah. I in the back of my head, I wasn't like super, super stressed, but there's like this little thing in the back of my head every time like someone would come up to us and say congrats, which was awesome. In the back of my head, I was like, God, I hope everything's okay. Yeah, totally. Yeah, it was really scary. Yeah, of course it is. Yeah. And like we, you know, I wanted to obviously get the scan, you have to get the scan at 20 weeks or like 21 weeks. Yeah, you can't do it at 19. And if we went before mid-south, it would have been at 19. Yeah. So just how it's really glad that everything is okay. Yeah, it's a big hurdle. And it's so funny, like, I didn't know any of this shit. Like, I just was on the Bonk Babes podcast yesterday with Iz. And um, Danny is one of the women who who hosts the podcast, and her mom was like, Danny, are you sure you're prepared to interview these women about being pregnant? She's like, You don't know anything. She's like, I'm pretty sure I know more than Stermy.

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Probably true. That's funny.

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She's correct. That's awesome. And she knows you well. She knows me really well. It was really funny. I was like, honestly, it is crazy. Like, I remember, you know, you pee on the stick, and then you're like, okay, I just like I guess I better learn what my cervex is. Your what? Cervex. Cervex? Yeah. Cervex. Oh my god, Hannah. Oh my god, sorry, cervax. Cervex. Jesus. Um, whatever. Say it weird. That's fine. I'm just trying to help you. It's not helpful. Okay. Never tell a pregnant woman how to say cervex. See, you said it right that time. I said it the same both times. No, you didn't, but that's okay. We can listen back. Um, it's recorded. How is it coming back from Mid South? Um, I napped for the first time in my pregnancy. No, you napped at Mid South. That was you already talked about the second time. Liar. She's a liar. Uh yeah, I did nap at I mean that was like five minutes though, yeah. We napped. But no, I came home and we I was really oh, that was a crazy day of travel. Oh yeah. Did we talk about that? Uh-uh. Oh, it is kind of funny. I'm gonna like try to summarize the whole story, but essentially we all missed our connection because like we all missed our connection. We all mixed everyone missed their connections by like two minutes, and then Hannah got on the next flight out, and this is the like the the final flight back to Durango from Denver to Durango. There were a couple more that were scheduled, but everything was like continued to be pushed. You got on the next one, Dylan and I got put on standby for the same flight that you were on, and we were like, oh boy, there's no chance, like everyone's missing stuff, like it's gonna be crazy, and it was. And then uh they call everyone onto boarding, Hannah's on the plane, Dylan and I are sitting there, they call me, and I'm like, sick. I just got a seat on the flight. Sorry, Dylan. Bye. Good luck flying out of here at 7:30. Uh no, I actually felt really bad. But then I took my seat and um buckled in, started talking to everyone around me. Yeah, I watched, no, I watched you come in. You took one of the like empty seats up front. Uh, and you're at this point, like Sarah has melted down in the in the airport, like was in full meltdown mode, rightfully so, but like super, super melted. Um, and so you like went to the front, like I watched you go to the seats like at the front of the plane, you're putting your stuff away, and they're like, That's not where your seat is. And you were like, uh No, I said, Oh, I'm sorry, I wasn't paying attention, and there was oh I it was a full plane, and there were two open seats, so I figured I was totally. I thought you were in one of those two. Well, I saw three open seats, and I was like, Okay, Sarah and Dylan are definitely both gonna be on this flight. Um, so I watched Sarah get on the flight, sit down, and then you called me from we were sitting on the plane together at the back. Yeah. And um, and then the flight attendant comes back in like 10, 15 minutes later, and she was like, Hi, so we might have to remove you from the flight again. And I was like, What do you mean? And she's like, Well, the pilot's doing all the calculations for weight on the flight, and we might have to boot you. And I was like, Okay, and then honestly, at that point, I was like, Oh my god. It was crazy. Your mood shifted. You were like, all of a sudden you were fine. Yeah, I was like, This is ridiculous, I can't do anything about it. Yeah, it was so insane. So watch Sarah get on the plane and then get off the plane. They booted her off the plane. Booted the pregnant lady at the back of the plane off, and then Hannah and I are on the phone, and she's like, now they're giving people$800 vouchers to get off the phone. I was two seconds too slow because I would I fuck that guy. Fuck that guy. I was like, oh my god, I I texted you and was like, as I was sending you the text, he like said he'd do it. What a dick. I know, and I really should have done it. I really I really should have done it for so many reasons because then after that, it was like such a sketchy flight, and I was like, I'm not supposed to be on this plane. I know I do that all the time. I did the thing where I'm like, I wasn't supposed to be on the final destination as those movies or like something. Like butterfly effect or something. I mean, it was such a sketchy flight, and one that will like when we were land trying to land, we like it was so windy we touched down and had to lift back up. I hate that. And I was like, I wasn't supposed I should have taken the flight, I should have I should have gotten off. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, so that guy got off. I got off, and then they gave the dude behind me eight hundred bucks. Another guy? No, the guy so they booted me, and then they they gave they like were like anyone, any volunteers. Yeah, I wasn't gonna volunteer. They should have just asked for two volunteers. But anyway, so so we were both off the flight. Then they handed this dude the fucking eight hundred dollar voucher, and then this is what really Got it. And you didn't get a voucher for getting kicked off. No, no, no. They just booted me back off. They were like, sorry, standby. You're off. And then in front of me, they give this dude my seat on the next flight. The guy who got the$800 voucher, then took your seat on the next flight. So then you're booted on that one, too. I was like, what is happening? That's so good. And this was real like I you saw my crash out, but then I go into this mode where I'm like, I wasn't pissed. I was just like, this actually isn't fair. It's wrong. Yeah. Yeah. And then I just had a normal conversation with people. Um, the guy gave us meal vouchers, and I was like, okay. And then I was like, you know what? I'm gonna go to the lounge and just see if they can hook us up and tell them like what happened. And I like walked in there and I was like, listen, I know this is not you. I know the lounge is fully separate. This is a customer service issue. I'm just wondering, like, if you can just let us sit in these seats because we have like five hours to kill now. Yeah. And she was like, uh, no, but what I'm she was like, I'm curious. I used to work at, you know, ticketing or whatever. She's like, what happened? Told her. She was like, oh my god. And she's like, and then I was like, also I'm pregnant. And she was like, what? And then this girl, this woman, uh, she's like this French woman who works at the lounge. She gets the, she was like, Well, did you ask for the supervisor? And I was like, I'm really not that kind of person. I'm not gonna like Karen. I should have. This woman calls her supervisor and tells him the whole story, and he like takes a picture of my ticket, gives me an$800 voucher, and then we got to hang out and eat ice cream. Hell yeah. Honestly, incredible travel day. Truly. I mean you saw my crap. Like, it's just like crashed out really hard. It's it is the fact that like 15 of us missed that flight and the plane was still there, they could have let us on. That's what I was upset about, especially with like the airport being what it was. Like, there was no reason, even the flight that the woman at the counter was like, there was no reason for them to like shut the door. It was shitty all around. Anyway, but also, yay,$800 credit and nice. Yeah, whatever. Anyway, it was travel, it was it just was really funny. I was like, oh, okay, so they're booting the pregnant lady, and then I was like, I wish I looked more pregnant. You look pregnant, it's okay. Honestly, it would be way worse, like it's way harder to try. Not as not being pregnant, whatever. You're just like a little hotter, a little sweatier. Uh people who have kids, they're the ones who really should get the$800 vouchers and ice cream. Yep. Yeah, that looks that will be us. Yeah, that will be. I feel really bad for anyone traveling with children. It looks hard. It looks really hard. And especially I see a lot of like especially out of Durango, I see a lot of women that are flying with two little kids, like one baby strapped, and then another toddler. And I'm like, oh my god, let me please let me help you, but I don't want to hold your kid. Please let me help you, but I actually get you some ice cream. Uh don't touch me. Um, I have one more. Yeah, keep rolling. That's it. I did, I did purchase a couple, I I go through these phases. I'm like, okay, I'm not. I've looked at this thing every every spring, every spring or summer when it starts getting a little hot, and I'm like, I really want this purchase. It's a really expensive purchase, and I never do it. And the other night I was like, fuck it, I'm doing it. And I bought one of the it's like a three. I love late night purchases. We're like you do you don't have anyone that you can talk to to be like, should I get this? Should I get it? You're just like I'm just doing it. I because I won't be able to go to sleep. I keep researching it. Oh yeah, I've researched that I learned I've I know everything there is to know about it. I could sell it, I'm buying it. Yeah, so I bought a chili pad. What's a ch what's a chili pad? This is not they should pay us, they should give me one for free now. Well, um maybe I'll take it. Uh it's like a mattress topper that heats or cools your bed. So there's also one called 8 Sleep, which is it looks nicer. They do the exact same thing, but here's the creepy thing with eight sleep. You have it's the exact same product. There it like it pumps like water through and then it heats and cools the water. So it has like a little pump um that you have to like put under the bed. So I research it. Sounds like a a fan cooling a laptop, is what they've told me. With water though. Well, just the noise, like the decibels. Oh, oh, oh, okay. Anyway, so um I bought the chili pad for one reason and one reason alone over the eight sleep, even though I liked the look of the eight sleep better. It's a little mattress topper. You don't have to. Well, you see the like little unit. Anyway, um you have to get a subscription every year with 8 Sleep. It's a$200 subscription for them to tell you what your wake cycle it's like more data that I'm like not. You're already getting it from whatever you have. The one cool like I think Sophia and Keegan have one, and I thought it was funny that it detected Wally on their bed and it could like pick up Wally's their dog. Yeah, his heart rate. Oh, that's weird. Oh, yeah. I don't think I want that from a mattress. No, and it's like it'll like sense when you should be waking up. It'll like sense how much sleep you're getting and then wake you up according to like you're good. I'm gonna wake you up. What? With heat.

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Mm-mm.

SPEAKER_00 27:15

I want one that's like just a reminder, you guys are it's been a while since you've had sex. It's time to heat things up. We're gonna make it really hot. You're gonna have to really pull the covers off and take all your clothing off. I think they should think about that. I would be more interested if it were icy, icy cold. I'm literally never gonna use the heat feature on it. But I've been I've well, not anymore because it's 90 degrees outside, but I had a heating pad this winter. Incredible. I loved it so much. Hate I loved it so much. Worst. But now I'm so hot. So okay, great. I think that's a really good thing for you to get. Yeah. I'm excited. I wanted to tell you about it last night, but I paused. Save it for the pod. And then I also bought my first actual like pregnancy item, which is a pregnancy pillow. Like the big body pillow things. It's like it's like a wedge that goes under your the your gut, your belly, uh-huh, and like your back, and it like velcros together, so you like kind of just it's like wedged in there, and then you can put something between your legs. Sounds great. I feel like I would enjoy that. Yeah, all the other ones I was like, I've just been using our pillows, but I like every time I turn to the other side, I'm like, there's no way Dylan's sleeping through this. Damn. Yeah, I bet sleep is a whole lot. Sleeping is wild, it's crazy. You just wake up at 3 a.m. Someone did tell me that like pregnancy sleep is actually harder to deal with than like newborn phase sleep. Um, and I can't remember the reasoning now. I'll think of it. Yeah, that sounds like a lie, but I think that's great. Yeah, I just have my routine three in the morning. I come, I wake up, um, I chug some water, I go pee, and then I slam some uh frosted covered mini weeds with Norman on the couch, just in the dark eating it. Sometimes grape nuts. Oh wow, really loud. Yeah, and Norm's like, this is awesome. Weird existence. Anyway, that's kind of all I got before we get into cycling stuff. Yeah, I don't think I I mean I don't think I I'm curious what you so like you've had some decompression from Mid South, and we sort of like talked about it in our little like bonus episode intro. Yeah. But what are your takeaway thoughts from race weekend? Also just like getting a glimmer into like I mean, I've sort of seen you at your I mean you've seen me at my job before, but yeah. Um, I mean I loved it. I had so I people loved you. I had so much fun. I like I like came back and was like, whoa, I feel like I feel better. Um yeah, it it was like personally like so nice to just like get away from the shop, which is like pretty all-consuming. Did you ever think you would go to Oklahoma, come home and feel like, oh, it was a fun little vacation? No, no, I really and anytime somebody's like, Oh, you were gone, like where where were you? I was like, Oklahoma, and they're like, Oh, okay. And I'm like, No, no, no, you don't understand, it was incredible. That's so much fun. It was like really like trying to get people to sign up for Mid South, truly, they're like, you would love this race. I mean, because I do have like people in in Mangas who like ride bikes and like these people all would love it. Yeah, um, yeah, it just uh I I felt the like come down for sure. Yeah. Um I was so it actually worked out perfectly because Jeff was gone. And so I and I had a few days uh before I had to go back to the shop and uh I just went completely nonverbal. I stayed in my house and just like was just completely silent and like uh did some like art projects and yeah, yeah. That was really good. No, I felt I felt and still feel just like like a little spark back that I I feel like I have lost. Um just when you get like so one track and just like doing one thing, and like and as far as like the podcast goes, you know, like we do this and it's fun because we're talking to each other, but we're not out of the world. Well, sometimes it feels like it's just like we're talking into like the void, you know, like we don't know where where it goes. Um and it was cool to have some feedback, um, and that was really like assuring. Um I did have a thought about uh Lenny with Holy Spirit of Gravel. Oh yeah. Have you ever watched Bridgerton? No. Okay, do you know what it is? Isn't it like a period piece? It is it is like period, but it's like it's also contemporary in some ways. Like all of the music is like um like contemporary music, but they do it like it's all like strings and uh orchestral. Um anyway, it's all about like the tawn and uh like coupling up and like wedding season, like marriages, and so they're all trying to like couple up. Um, but the whole like the first few seasons, the main point is that main point, whatever. There's um this character called Lady Whistledown, and she's part of like the Bridgerton. Well, I'm trying to set this up so that you understand what I'm the comparison I'm about to make. Um so she is like in the mix, but nobody knows who she is. She's quiet and she's kind of observing, but she writes a like a basically like gossip piece every week that's like created to everyone, and everyone is like spirit. Oh my gosh, like you know, this person is hang out with this person, like it's all very like ooh, the gossip. Yeah. And I feel like Lenny is like Lady Whistledown of the gravel world because she's like seeing, you know, because she's kind of quiet and like doing her own thing and observing all of the pieces. She's then life smart, really smart, yeah. Um, and then putting out all of the inform like all of the memes are basically just like her. That was my main takeaway, really. Totally. I think that's I mean, I I've never watched Bridgerton, but now I'm curious. Um Bridgerton Curious. Uh-huh. And I feel like I'm curious if uh Holy Spirit has watched it. That's Lady Whistledown, as far as I'm concerned. That's what I'm telling my kids.

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Yeah. My experience. I mean, I followed Holy Spirit of Gravel since they it's sorry, it's a meme account for anyone wondering. Um it's they're on Instagram. Um I don't understand most of them because I don't understand the ground world. To be honest, I'm like, I didn't get that one. Uh like, yeah, there's a couple where I'm like, but there's some really funny account. Yeah, me too, truly. But other people do. Yeah, there's some really funny cycling meme. Honestly, meme accounts are the best. Like, I follow um one in running, and it's helped me understand a lot of nuance in running. See? Yeah, your boy Scott Urick. Shout out. Shout out. Yeah, so that was one of my one of my takeaways. Um I've been watching some stuff. One, I've been watching Euphoria. What I recommend is you don't watch it. I've watched to the point where I was like, someone's gonna get murdered. I like felt like uh the um the uh character that Hunter, whatever her name is, plays. Uh-huh. I felt like she was gonna get murdered, and I was like, I'm out. Oh. Um wow, you probably didn't watch very much of it. I I just think I just it's a great show and it's super intense, but I just feel like as somebody who's about to have a child and then have to raise a teenager at some point, not worth it for you. I think about teenage anyway. And then one last thing about what I've been watching, and then I do want to talk about wow, I really want to talk about bites. Me too. What's going on in the bike world? I mean, a lot has happened. Okay. Um, there's a show, and there's only one episode out yet so far. Um, it's called Born to Bowl. Oh, it's on HBO. It's the Who do you think you are? I am. Is that what it's from? Is that what that's from? It's gonna be, mark my words. This is gonna be a good show. Is it is it uh uh satirical? No, or is it real life? It's a docuseries. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the there was uh a clip that went viral of this professional bowler that won something. He bowls a stripe. But did he have like a big like white boy fro? I don't know, but he just goes, Who do you think you are? I am and I love that. Mark my words, this show is gonna be so good. The first episode, I was like, I'm hooked. Because these are different things. No, no, no. I think you'll like this because it kind of reminded me of being like cycling, a cyclist and like a privateer because these guys, yeah, like do they make like livings? Uh sort of, but they also have like other jobs, but they like have sponsors that they have. Like one guy is like sponsored by like beef sticks or something, and like it's and they're funny. One guy is like a a rapper. Oh, you're in. I'm in. I'm so in. I was like, I really want to binge it, but there's only one episode out, and I'm waiting. I don't know when you and the other thing. I've been binging Mad Men. Is I I think I I think it's gonna be my new show. Okay, it sounds great. I'm really excited about it. I can't wait. Let's talk about bikes. Okay, let's talk about bikes. Um boy, well, we are we are witnessing spring. It's so weird to say spring classics because in Durango, we summer. It's summer. Well, if you're in the west, you've experienced the heat wave, the heat bubble, what are they calling it? We're having this like fucked up heat dump. That's what it is. Um we went from like starting to feel like spring to like middle of summer weather. So like I we were talking about Dylan's nephew's bike, and I was like, wait, for spring, but no, wait, summer, like I just got really confused with the season. So anyway, spring classics are on, which are um the one day, the big exciting one day races in Europe um on the road. Okay. And uh there was a really big one called Milan Milano San Remo. Um, and it's the one that Pagacha, Facacha, Facatha hasn't won yet. Oh and so there was all this talk, the Dylan lookalike. Dylan's doppelganger, Vanderpoel, was supposed to win. He's like, you know, the big hot shot big dude who can like he can really sprint, he's good on flats, he's not like a grand tour guy like Pagacha and um Vingergaard are, but he was like, he was supposed to win. Um, and then honestly, we were doing our gear sales, so I literally just saw the sprint finish, and it often ends in a sprint. Um, and Pagaca had gone down in like he had crashed in the Peloton like 20k before the finish. Uh-huh. And then somehow you just watch these clips of um his American teammate, Brandon McNulty. McNulty? McFlurry. Uh he like they bob and weave through the which is crazy. Like, it was just crazy to watch him get like off the ground, like calmly get off the ground, like request that this guy get off of his front wheel that he was crashed on to. He calmly hops back on his bike with his$250,000 watch that he was wearing. Because he's sponsored. Sponsored by who? I don't know, some fancy watch company. I don't know any of them other than Rolex, so it might have been a Rolex. Who knows?$250,000. Yeah, I think that's what I saw. Some like anyway, I saw that on the internet, so it could be incorrect. And he just bobs and weaves, gets back up to the front group, and then is in the sprint with uh Tom Pidcock, this little flea of a boy. And uh the it was like three centimeters that separated the win and Pagatcha got it. Wow. Pagatcha! And that's what he said at the very end. Pagatcha! Well, they really did Pagata. Pagatum. And then the women's race was the next day. Or no, sorry, that same day, just hours after. Have you seen that footage? Yes, I was gonna ask. I didn't know what race that was, but that was the one with the huge crash. Yeah. Crash it, like all the people crashing and then the over the guardrail. It was so insane. It was really horrific. I saw somebody posted it and it I couldn't even finish it. I it made me a little ill. Yes, it was hard to watch. Her injuries, she like broke. Anyway, I'll explain what happened there. I I think it was like around a turn, so it was like a high speed. I mean, these like roads in road racing in Europe is so gnarly, and this is what there's some like drama about this. Because like, of course, there's like idiots on the internet saying stupid shit. Um, so it's like a high-speed technical, you know, descent, and it's shit just happens. It's a pellet, it's like a Peloton is like a ball of people. I mean, I think Peloton means ball, but it's like uh yeah, right? Because Pelota is ball in Spanish. Anyway, shit just happened. Someone crashed, and then a bunch of people crashed, and it was around this turn, yeah. So then people coming high speed couldn't see that there was a crash, and then they kept hitting. It was awful. It was awful, and then this it was right on the guardrail, and it was a a turn on the main road, but then there was like a smaller road below it, like 10 or 20 feet, and this one girl hit the crash pile and then catapulted herself over the guardrail, and she you just see her like splat onto the concrete, and it was really terrifying. She I I feel like I saw her get up. Sh I don't know if I don't think you saw her get up. Okay, she did move a little bit, but it was horrific. It was, I mean, it's gotta be so traumatizing. She is okay. I don't I shockingly don't think she has a head injury, or at least it wasn't listed in her injuries. She broke some ribs and then fractured part of her shoulder. But really, she said she's very lucky to like I mean, all those women are like it was really cool too to see like a like Kim Lecourte. Um, she got out, she was in the crash on a different team than Cassia. They they both were battling uh last year in the women's tour de France. Kim was in the yellow jersey for like most of the race. Casia was the defending champion, like you know, they're they're competitors, and Kim immediately gets up, and Casia is sitting there with her like helmet, like her hands on her helmet, and she's bleeding, and she made sure she was okay and weighted, and it it was really I mean, these women are still racing, too. Like the the the race didn't stop for it. Ugh um so it was anyway, then really intense. It was super intense. Road racing is so gnarly. Yeah, everyone does. Um, and then you have these fucking idiots on the internet that are commenting on um, you know, oh, you know, that's what they get like for women riding bikes, or like there was just all these comparisons of like, I wonder how they drive. And it was like, oh my god, like people, oh god, it just brought me so I honestly think that's why I'm still fucking pissed this morning. Like I woke up because I was like reading that. Um uh Cecile, who you met, we interviewed her. She wrote this really awesome poem in response. It was really, really great. Um so we can link that in the show notes. Yeah, but it was just in response, and like anyone who's like been a professional athlete or or done scary stuff, it's like these I I get it. You like you shouldn't even like think about these like keyboard warriors that are sitting on their couches commenting, like these dumb asses have no fucking idea. Well, they're also just like so desensitized and like it's you know, you don't even know it's AI anymore. Ugh. Anyway, which is a whole different thing, so annoying. Yeah, but it just was like a little bit of a twinge where you're just like wow, we were actually really boy, you feel it in Europe a lot. You're like, have women come that far? Like, have we have we broken through anything? And it just makes me respect them even more because like these are professional women. A lot of them, some of them are earning a lot of money to do this, and they're really, really good at what they do. And also, like, Pogacik crashed in the men's race. Like, they're crashing is a part of the sport, it's just it doesn't mean that you're not good at it. You just can't read that shit. I know, just people didn't even know she was okay. Ugh. Like, what is it? They don't care. They it's what is not worth your time, not worth your time. This is the happy podcast. Sarah is gonna route it. No, I mean that would that's fucked. Anyway, um glad everyone's okay. Yeah, they're okay. And then Lotta Kapeki won in a sprint. Lotta Kapeki. Great name or Lottie. Um I don't know how you added to the list. I mean Lottie is on the list. Yeah, it's a cute name. LOTIE. She spells it L-O-T-E, I think. I had a dream. I yeah. Um, I had a dream that Dylan was like, I know he could see through my stomach too. No. He was like, I know the sex of the baby, and I was like, he was like, Do you want to know? And I was like, Yeah. What is Do you want to know? What did what did your dream say? Girl. Really? Yeah. So Okay, interesting. That was what my dream said. I kind of think it's a boy. Yeah. I feel like it's a girl. Dylan also thinks it's a girl. Everyone I've talked to thinks it's a girl. Crazy. Which means it'll be a boy. And because I had a dream that it's a girl, it'll be a boy. Yeah, you just said if I if it's a girl, it's my dream and break things. And then Cape Epic. I almost said Cape to Epic. Cape Epic, right? Cape Epic. Yeah. Yeah. So I like was scrolling and saw something about that and then was like, no, I want Sarah to tell me. Like I don't, I don't want to look into it. I don't know anything. So Cape Domatic is an eight-day. No, I mean I know what that is. Well, I'm just explaining to people who don't. I think we've talked about it. Oh, okay. It's a big, it's like the biggest like mountain bike like international. It's not gravel. No. Oh, okay. Well, I guess it didn't know. You actually don't know shit. Okay, great. I thought I knew and I know. Um, yeah, it's sorry, I just wanted to make sure we're recording. Jesus. Um, yeah, big, big mountain bike race in South Africa. Um, there was a lot of drama because like Keegan was supposed to race with Matt Beers. They were like the number one team going in. Keegan gets injured. This kid, I I'm so sorry, I don't remember his name, but he's a specialized racer um in South Africa. Very young. He still had braces on. So cute. Um, actually, I have no idea how old he is. Um, sorry, I don't follow the men's race yes much. I'm so sorry. He's actually 35, uh just adult braces, which is great, which is awesome. We love straight teeth. Yep. Um actually like crooked teeth. But they're both South African. And there was the men's race was really close. Is it over? It it ended yesterday or two days ago. I think it was yesterday. Um, and the men's race, like the the leader jersey kept switching back and forth between these teams and team specialized Toyota, uh, Matt and this kid. I'm so sorry, I shouldn't know his name. And you probably also shouldn't call him a kid, but that's I know, I know. No, I mean that's how we know him now. The kid. Yeah, sorry, the kid. Um, we call Pagasha Fakasha, so whatever. You can't wait to get on this podcast. So they're like 13 seconds down. They have one day to pull it together and it's tight racing, and they did it. They made up the 13 seconds, won the whole thing, um, and they made history. They're the first South African team to win. Wow. Yeah, which is or maybe just the men's race. Um, but yeah, pretty cool. Great, and then the women's race, full of drama. There was like there were like three top teams. Um, Kate had to find a new partner because Melissa, no, no, sorry, Melissa broke her arms. Which, like, yeah, bummer. Crazy. Ugh, I I was thinking about Melissa because I'm sure she's like watch. Actually, I don't know. I don't know if I would watch. Is she part of the Grand Prix? Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah, I don't know if she's gonna be able to start. Whoa. I need to check in. Um, yeah, Melissa. You have to start like in order to I don't know. I don't I need to look at the rules. Okay, and that checks out.

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She will probably be able to like roll across the start line, but she might have to take a DNF at Seattle. I don't know. I I don't know how her injuries are or how she's progressing. We still have like a little less than a month away, so she maybe could pull something together. Crazy. But yeah, it looked ouchy. It looked like a bad one. Um, so she's down in South Africa prepping for this race that she and Kate have been like training for, their new friendship developed. This is really like honestly a drama series. And I'm here to share all about it. They became friends, like they became friends after Leadville stage race when they were like each other's top competitors, and they both they both broke the women's record last year. Girlhood. This is incredible for the girlies. Say more. So then Kate breaks the record, but also Melissa did too last year at Leadville. Of course they did. Together. It makes me want to cry. I know. Um then Kate invites, I'm assuming Kate invited, I almost said an vote. Like past tense. Hebrew past tense. Hebrew past tense. Okay, invited. Invited, got it. Uh, Melisa to join her. I'm just making some, I'm just assuming I'm filling in a lot of the blanks that I don't I didn't confirm with either of them. So sorry, Kate and Melisa, if this is not how it panned out. I'm just assuming. Um someone invited someone to do the Cape Epic. Um, and Kate has won it before when she she posted like a before and after photo of like the last time she was at the Kate Epic. Cape Epic. She called it the Kate Epic. Oh, which is I was anyway, she was she looked like a child uh the last time she won it. She was especially young. She was very young. Okay. Um, I think she raced with Annika Langvad, who's Sophia's teammate now. Okay. Anyway, uh blah blah blah. They start training together all season, like prepping. Melissa's like go doing big days, like a lot of work. And when you're Melissa and Kate have a lot in common, you know, mainly that they're incredible athletes, but I think the focus that they both have is is probably one of the like bigger things that bonds them. Again, I'm just this is my hot take. Um, and a downside of that is like you get really focused and then shit happens and it's devastating. And you know, you could tell I could tell just you could just tell that that was a huge thing for Melissa and it really How could it not be? How could it not be? Yeah. I mean to do the the Cape Epic with Kate. And she didn't have a bike crash, right? I I think she did crash on her bike. I'm gonna go ahead and say that I did a little research and it sounded like she crashed on a scooter. Oh, really? Mm-hmm. Fuck. That sucks. I know. And like not doing anything like stupid, obviously. I think just like I I good sleuthing, Hanny. Well, I am an internet sleuth. Oh my god. I need to you know what could solve this? I could just text Melisa and ask her. That's true. But I also don't want to buy it. Anytime like a friend of mine starts dating somebody new, I'm like, I got you. So I'm gonna go around town. I think so. Shoot. I mean, just like, I don't know. The only time I see any of this is when I'm on like when I'm logged up to the podcast Instagram, and then I get fed all the stuff and then I can see it. But so Melisa was out uh some sort of crash, either on the you know what life just happens, like totally it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. Shit just happens all the time. Um, yeah. Keegan had an unfortunate crash as well. Barbie hinges. Barbie hinges out. So then Kate is like one figuring out how to get Melissa home with two broken arms, like flying home internationally. All the the stuff with travel is crazy. Anyway, she's dealing with that, and also like her cape cape epic might be done. She finds a new partner. She's this World Cup racer that Kate races against during the season. Um, Greta something, um, on the something team, the rock rider. Good job. Rock rider forward. There it is. Know that. Uh, and they pull it off, and they're like racing in the top off the getting her here or there or whatever. Yeah, I don't even know how that like it was like two days they had to like sort shit out. And I'm like, was she already in South Africa? Yeah, because it's not like it's like close to a lot. It's close to nothing. Yeah. Um, so yeah, she goes down there and they have like they won a stage, which is crazy. And that was that was super, super cool to see. Um, and they're racing against uh these other two World Cup racers that Candace Lill and uh Alessandra Keller, who are incredible mountain bikers. Um and then there's this other team with uh these two other cross-country racers as well, and the three of them, those were like the top three teams, and they were really duking it out. The the leaders stayed in the leader jersey pretty much the whole race, but Kate and Greta were getting really, really close. Um, and then the girls in third place, they had a day with a lot of flats, and then the next so then that bumped them down to like seventh place, and then the next day one of the girls crashed and like broke her teeth off, like in the middle of her broke her teeth? What do you clean off? Off of what? She smiled and they were like jagged toothpieces, she broke her to so then they had to bail because of her teeth. Toofs, gone, gone. I don't know. I don't know the tooth drama. I'm gonna try and like I want to hear about the false information on this podcast to a minimum. So then it's like Kate's team and then the Haleys. So Haley Smith, who's in the who was a Grand Prix racer, um, now competing for wildcard grand prix this year. Okay. I would uh definitely keep my eye on her because I would say her form is quite strong right now. Okay. Her and this other woman, uh Haley Preen, who also was in the Grand Prix last year, two Haleys, they then get bumped up to third place. Was it third? Yeah. So they're in third, okay, um, competing with like Kate. Um, where's Kate? Kate's in third. They're in second. Uh-huh. And then um, it's eight days. And like the thing that people don't see watching this race or like following it on the internet is that there's a whole other race that goes on that's not televised, which is the behind the scenes of like you like stage racing is nuts, and especially it like a mountain bike stage race, because you're not just like it's not like the Tour de France where you're like staying in hotels, you have tour buses, like you're schlepped around with the same people, you have team doctors, blah blah blah. Most participants in the Cape Epic are camping. Okay. And communal eating, communal everything. Illness spreads like cra everyone's systems are taxed. So like everyone's getting sick. Are the men and women racing like at the same time? So there's some there are some uh categories. I'm just wondering about the con women's like, are we are we having sex like we are? People are too tired to have sex. Arguably people would be tired at the Olympics, too, but I think the Olympics is different. Okay, just curious. I honestly think people are more tired at at stage races, yeah. And like I truly, there's no time. Yeah. Really, you have enough time, especially if you're like a normie doing it. You're like finishing, you barely have time to like shower, you're cleaning your own bike. Like it's really like the pros are cleaning their own bikes and doing all this. Like, do they have a whole crew? Like, if you're a pro. This is a great question. Cape Epic is uh I wish Well, this is the one that like you were, I think I feel like you told me about it earlier that they have like a huge you have to spend a ton of money, like you have tons of money. Yeah. I think um I was riding with uh Hannah Shell, who's done it, um, and she was saying, I think it's like a ten thousand dollar entry fee. Wow, and then you have to pay tick like plane tickets and food, and like, you know, um Jenna and Leah, two women also in the Grand Prix, uh, well, not this year, but they have been, um, they went down there, just kind of like got a group of sponsors together, and then their husbands were their their crew. Um, but it's expensive because like I mean, really, like realistically, if you're gonna be in the results, like solidly a good result, you have to have like a huge like you should look at the the um the winners like finishing photos and stuff, like with the whole team. Yeah, it's a ton of people like specialized team specialized, puts they that's why they want you to win if you're unspecialized. So they put a ton of money towards it. It's a huge crew. Like you have massage therapists, I think they have people cooking for them. They have I there's like I'll have to ask Sophia because she's done it and won before, but like she I think they stay in some Airbnbs. Okay, but then there's like yeah, like and then some days are in RVs. It's a it's a whole setup. And and then also like the disparity between like the resources, the the resources the winners have compared to like not even the participants, but the resources the pros at the bottom of the barrel have is huge. Damn, yeah. Okay, so so getting sick is really common. And like uh Ellen was telling me that Howard he's done it like eight times or something crazy, but he was like, Yeah, like three the three times that he's won, or whatever, he was like, Those were the only years I didn't get sick, and the rest of the years you just like you either win or you get sick, kind of thing. And so Greta, uh Kate's teammate, yeah, gets a gnarly fever two days out of the final. Oh and they were like really solidly in second place. Like it was gonna be a stretch, I think, for them to come back and win. Yeah, and so then Kate has to like they bail. And but Kate keeps racing the last two days, like riding, yeah, but so devastating. Ugh. Poor Kate. What a what a journey. Oh, I know, and like, God, poor Greta. Like, can you imagine being the one that's I she was in her kit? Like, I think she really was like, I'm gonna try to do this. And then she feels so much. Oh, totally. Like such a letter. It just happens to and then Matt Beers, who's won it a bajillion times, he was telling me, because um, we did migration gravel, which is a stage race in Africa, and it pretty much like screwed like screwed the rest of my season up because we got COVID when we were there. I had to I raced with COVID, which you're definitely not supposed to do, but we were like, I just traveled for 40 hours. I'm gonna race. Um Damn and like pulled it off, like got the win, but then the expense, the expense of doing that was immense and like truly like did not feel good for the rest of the season. And Matt Matt really like helped me understand like what a stage race like that does to your body, especially he was like, the years that I get sick, the years that I get sick at Cape Epic because it's just a thing that can happen. He was like, Yeah, it it really takes me like months to recover if I'm recovering correctly. So it's crazy that these people who are doing the Grand Prix are also choosing to do Cape Epic. Yeah, I don't know if any of those girls are in the grand she's a wild card. She well, she's it they're gunning, they're all gonna be racing for the wild card. No one has received a wild card entry. But she still is trying to do the grand pre. Yes, sorry, yes, yep. That seems crazy. A lot of them will be at Sea Otter. When is Sea Otter? In like three weeks, and that's the very first um Grand Prix race, and it's a hard one, and you're going to that one. Cool. Yeah, yep. I'll be back on around. Well, they Lifetime had asked me, they're like, Do you want to be on the e-bike following the race? And I was like, uh no, I don't I don't think I'm capable of doing that. Sounds scary and fast. I mean, it would be fun if I were like fit enough to do it. It would be like a cool way to like because they'll have like people and in at the Cape Epic, they have the way that they get like a lot of the race footage. They have a helicopter, then they have like that's with the cameras, and then they but then they have like people with like these insane camera setups um on e-bikes, and they're previous winners of the race. Um, well, because they're like the only people that can have enough skills and fitness to do this, but they put them on e-bikes with like probably a hundred pounds worth of camera equipment. They have like a whole backpack of like batteries, a whole chest cam setup, you know, the dash cam, whatever head cam, face cam. Um, and this might be something that we cut because I actually don't know if you want to talk about it or not, but the drama from mid-south what was the drama with the Yeah, we can talk about that. Okay. Um, yeah, so the drama from Mid-South um happened in the women's race. And I'm I'm just gonna blanket statement say that this is not the first time that this kind of stuff has happened. Quick pause. Will you say who won Cape Epic for the women? Oh yeah. Um Alessandra Keller and yeah, I just was also thinking about that. Yeah. All Alessandra Keller and Candace Lil, I believe. Okay, great. Next. Um and then the Haleys got second. Oh, cool. Yeah. And I'm sorry, I'm so sorry I didn't get the I didn't remember third place. Or second and third from the men's race. So or any of it really. Okay. I'm so so sorry. I need to have like a computer in front of me. Yeah. I know some people really care about that. So and I bet they have Google. Listen, you're not listening to this podcast for the race results. We know that. Yeah. Um, okay, so the drama at Mid-South has been drama at Unbound, has been drama at Big Sugar, has been drama at most of the big gravel races. So I I don't want people thinking this is just a mid-south problem. Got it. Um, yeah, so at gravel races, you have these like dune buggy cars that get footage of racers. Um, and most of the time, like you'll have depending on the the production, like unbound, there's tons of those things all over the course. So you're just used to riding around these these things. Um, and the issue is that they so their goal is to get footage of the leaders usually. And um Sophia and Paige were in the lead on this, like it was a very different part of the course. So like 99% of the mid-south course is like dirt roads, like a normal dirt road. It's pretty straightforward. Like it's a really long straight road, and then you either take a left turn or a right turn, and it's the same situation. Well, they turn into this private ranch that we got to race across for the race, and it's like this open pasture, like cow pasture. Like you basically just turn into someone's like grass ranch, and there were like these little pink flags on the marking the the course. But it was, you know, they're racing, they're like they've just attacked, they're off the front, and the car also seemed like they didn't know where they were going. And they they were I don't know, I don't know the ins and outs of what happened, but like it looked to me from outside perspective that there's there's a video of it. Yeah, there's a video um that the car almost clipped Sophia, which is very scary. Super scary. Yeah, they fucked up. Uh and then Sophia is Sophia, so she yelled. And I mean anyone would have yelled. Like it's that's terrifying. Yeah. Um, and then they overcorrected. It was a weird situation because Sophia and Page weren't like right together. They were sort of split. And I don't know if they were split because they were like compensating for this car kind of being in between them, but the car was really close to them, somehow almost cut off Sophia and then overcorrected it, and then almost hit Paige. So they like almost got a double whammy. And I think it was really scary for those women. Um, had I known that that would have that had happened, I would have asked Sophia in the posters interview, but we had no idea. Didn't know. Um and she didn't say anything about it, so um, we just saw it when the clip came out. But it it's a bummer because um, well, really from my perspective, like it these races don't happen without volunteers, yeah, right? Yep. Like so many, like I want every single bike racer to understand this. Like the people checking you in, the people selling swag, the people marking the courses, the people you don't even see, they're all volunteers, and they're literally the reason that we can do the races that employ us. Totally. So, like, let's just have a blanket statement there. The people in the car, I think were either volunteers or barely, you know, barely above that. And one guy is like trying to get footage, and then the driver, I don't think the driver knew where they were going. And that is a bummer. And that's on the race to make sure that anyone driving a vehicle that can harm cyclists or themselves, others need to know exactly what they're doing. Exactly what they're doing. Yeah, they need to be then, but then you look at like you know, European road racing and that spring cli uh the stratabianchi and the moto, one of the lead motos, led the chase group, the peloton of women trying to catch the the lead group down the wrong way. Oh no. And like that was the race. Like for all of the all of the big names that were gonna that were supposed to win that race were in that like demi, Pauline. Whoa, yeah, all the SD works girls, they got fucked. That's a big deal. But also, also, the commentators were like, Technically, all of those women should have had the GPX file on their head units. Like they should have known. But like when you're racing, you're just following yeah, yeah, yeah. And especially in road, because like gravel, there is still a part of it that you're like, Am I going the right way? Am I making a wrong turn? People make wrong turns all the time in gravel. Yeah. Because the course is not marked, right? Road, it's like a little bit more like understood that like you're like, I feel like the wrong turns are fewer or seldom. That really sucked. That's a so the moto didn't know where they were going and they took the wrong fucking turn, and then they all had to turn around. Oh my god. Well, and then there's stuff about like drafting too, right? So, yeah. Yeah, and that's been a big issue at Unbound. Like, I know uh one of the women was accusing another woman of like drafting off of the the lead car. Those things are called something, and I can't think of their name. Sure. People are gonna be so pissed listening to this. I saw like did I say like SXS? Well we call them fast couches in Moab. Also SSX, SXS. SexXX car. SexXX. Oh my god, I just figured out what XXX is. Like, you know, when like XXX is sex. Sex XX? XXX? Is that not a thing? I don't know. I mean, where else would that come from? I mean, maybe XX? Sex XX? I feel like not that like significant of a discovery. Well, because really I felt like I was like, a light bulb just went off. That's unbelievable. I've never made that connection before. I just figured out that two of the trail names in Durango are like dirty, dirty names. Which ones? Snake Charmer. Okay. I had no idea. And Kitty Charmer right next to it. Oh, funny. Had no idea. That's great. Until like last week on the boy ride. Yeah, classic. I was like, they're like, yeah, like Snake Charmer. I can't remember how it came up. And I was like, oh my God, Snake Charmer. Yeah. And they're like, yeah, I'm Kitty Charmer. I was like, ew. God, yeah, it was getting too serious here for a little bit. Anyway, um, the resolution um is that I believe, well, Sophia posted something on the internet, and then that, you know, went up in flames, as it does. And then Paige called Bobby, the promoter, and they all came to some sort of uh Bobby made a public apology on behalf of MidSouth to specifically to Sophia um and Paige about I mean it's scary, and that's that's super scary. Yeah, totally. Um, and the driver made an error and they needed to know where they were going and they need to be trained, and I think it's a big learning for MidSouth's team, but I hope other uh race promoters learn from that as well. Because gravel, gravel is really unsafe in inherently. Like racing basically a road race on dirt next to people is really scary, but then you have all these other things that like promoters are truly doing their best, but it's just like there's there's a lot of pieces. There's a lot of pieces, there's a lot of growth. Safety is you know with the sport. Umbound like everyone's had to everyone's had to learn a lot over the last five. Like truly, like year to year, things get faster, faster, faster. So they're having to adapt to that. Um, but yeah, I mean the the race vehicle, like being filmed during the bike race is a part of being a bike racer, and like there's been issues with helicopters being too close to racers and blowing them off bikes. Oh my gosh. Truly, I mean, epic sugar, we were like the whole women's Peloton, we got blown apart because of the helicopter. Wow. It j but it's like it's just part of and this is what pisses me off going back to the keyboard warriors. Uh-huh. They just have no fucking idea. Of course not. Of course not. So, like, I mean, what's the solution? Can they just like have drones that uh there are drones? Yeah. But it's like if you have live coverage, it's hard. I don't know if drones can do live. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. I imagine like, well, you have if you have drones, the battery issue for drones is a thing. Like our races are 10 hours. There's certainly our batteries barely last that long. Yeah, that's true. And there's certainly not a drone battery that lasts that long. And also people that fly those things, it's so crazy. Like, there's this kid who works for uh the lifetime filming crew um who was well, actually, I don't know if he works there anymore because they changed, you know, whatever. But he would be, and I don't know how he didn't get so motion sick, but he was the drone flyer because they they're professional flyers of these things, they're like basically professional video game players. He would have his like VR goggles on, sitting on the back of one of those dune buggies, flying the drone, looking at other footage moving forward while he's moving in a diamond. I don't know. That's my nightmare. Makes me like nauseous too. That's impressive. It was really funny. He was always like just sitting in the back like this, covered in dust, like with a little bandana, just like playing his drone video game in the middle of this like 200 mile. I think he gets paid more than a lot of people, than a lot of the bike race. And honestly, like he should be pretty impressive. Sounds like a crazy gig. So funny. Damn. It's a production, truly. I think the more interesting side of the sport is you know, the shit you don't really see. Yeah, but it is for me, yeah. I think it is for most people. Yeah. So damn. Okay. That was a lot of bikes. That was a lot of bikes. I feel like I had oh, I started listening to a new podcast, not to like promote someone else's, but uh, has nothing to do with cycling. Um two is company is what it's called. Okay. It's these two British women um that are who are friends, and it feels very similar to talking over you, but they they bring a lot of like they do like a very small like politics segment. I think one of them is in like in the influencer space. Uh, the other anyway, they're pregnant or one is pregnant, one has kids. Anyway, it's it's pretty good. Pregnant pod. Yeah, I wonder if this turns into a no. Okay. I mean, I feel like for a while there it's gonna be like the only thing you've got going on is that like you have a baby on your baby. How we're gonna navigate the podcast after I have a child. Well, I think we're gonna take some time. We have to, right? Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think that unless I'm going cra I'm the most nervous for the fourth trimester. Yeah. We all are. Well, I mean, we are, yeah. Yeah, like oh, uh Dylan's cousin Tilly came into the shop and uh she's also as pregnant as you are. Yeah, she's a week ahead. Yeah, and we were kind of both um commiserating about like, oh, yeah, we're all a little worried about like Sarah for that fourth trimester, just having to like what do you mean? Just be bored and be sit still. I've never seen you sit still. Um and I'm super curious to see. I think it's your it's gonna be your time to watch below deck. What else are you gonna do? Also, like we might not have to sit still. I think I think you kinda do. I think you kind of do for a little bit. But maybe not people just telling us that you don't necessarily have to. You just figure out what works. Yeah, you'll figure out what works for you guys. It'll be the middle of summer, so it'll be hot. But we did, I mean, we bought the camper, so hopefully we can just schlep everything into there and go sit somewhere else and be bored. Yeah. Yeah, it's gonna be wild. I mean, luckily, there'll be like a lot of bike racing to watch. Yeah. I feel bad that I'm not there. Yeah, or maybe not. I don't know. I'm so curious. I think I think hormones are a crazy thing, right? Like, I mean, we all hope that like your hormones just are kick in like crazy and you just are like so enamored by this thing that like it also feels I think that happens a lot. That you're like so stoked to like that, yes. The the thing being your baby, yeah. No, no, I guess. Was that not clear? No, no, I thought I I I thought you were talking about something else. Oh, okay. Um, not a different baby, but yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, no, I mean it just like the chatting with is and we we keep up, you know, fairly regularly now, and just chatting with her on this podcast, she was pretty vulnerable about how hard postpartum has been. And you know, just figuring out like how to keep a baby alive and yourself. Seems like your plate's gonna be pretty full. Yeah, can't wait. Cannot wait. Um, so I think we have a couple things coming. Like next week, I'll be out of town, so we'll do we'll do a thing, but um and then I I think after that we're gonna have mom on again. We also might I've been chatting with um Veronica Ewers, the woman who used to race for EF who had to retire because of red S or Reds. Um so she's gonna be on the pod. Just my least favorite part is scheduling. What else? Do you have anything else from for for now for this week? Wait, can I do a nail update? Please. Hannah texted me a video um from Jeff sitting on the toilet, zooming into their bathroom floor, and there there lie uh Hannah's nail. All right. Apple must have gotten into the trash and pulled shit out. Because I was like, it was anyway, so all the ones popped off from Mid South, of course. And then I I redid them, and we are a week a week out, and not a sign of peeling up or chipping. That's so good because I kicked part of my nail off the other day at strength class with your foot? Well, we were doing like you had to grab your foot and stretch, like do a quad stretch. Oh, oh, oh, oh. And I like misgrabbed it and I chipped my nail. Gross. All right, that was all I had. Cool. Great. The people want to know. They do, they do want to know. Um, thank you everyone for tuning in. We had a lot of listeners uh the last couple podcasts. So we yeah, cool. Couldn't be happier. Um also go ahead and leave us some reviews. I we've Yeah, then it feels like we're not talking into the void. If you think of it. I leave actually I do leave reviews. I don't ever it's only five. You you can leave whatever star you want, but I only don't even unless it's a five. I only leave five stars. I just think it's like no one wants to Well, yeah, because if you don't like it, then just move on and don't listen. Yeah, truly. And like what's a forced, what's a three-star review doing, truly? Like, what is what is that? Our first two-star review. Oh, yeah, what did they say? They didn't say anything. It was just the stars. Honestly, I couldn't. It just probably wasn't for them, and that's totally fine. Or maybe it was a mistake. That would be you. Oh, they may accident. Probably. It was honestly probably mom. That's what I was thinking. I was like, it's probably mom or dad. Like, how do I do or Kendra? Just fucking it up. Whoops. Yep. Um but yeah, I don't know. I just I like to go on there and just say, love this pod. Yeah. Um, but mainly people have really funny shit to say. I just like seeing what you say. So love that. Thanks for being creative. Also, we are maybe gonna do some swag coming up. Oh, yeah. We have some ideas. We have some ideas. I was curious, like, you know how on Giggly Squad they call the people who listen to their show gigglers? What do people what do people call that? Like yappers. Yeah, but I feel like there's something to do with toy, right? Because we have a great, like, talking over you, toy. 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There you go. Uh well, I kind of have been vacillating between the diverge um that I raced last year at Unbound, which is a fabulous, you know, bike for racing on gravel, but it's also a fabulous bike for tootling along as a pregnant lady. Um, so I've been really enjoying that for some training rides. Although I think I'm like finally to the point where I can't take gravel bikes down like super chunky uh mountain bike trails because I tried doing that and I thought my abs were gonna tear into two pieces, so which I think they already have. Um but I just built up my new crux for the season, uh, which is a little bit sad that I don't get to raise it, but it is very pretty, and so that will be announced at Seatter. But the Crux is pretty much the bike that I ride like 90% of the time. Um yeah, thank you, specialized. Um, and if you have any questions about specialized equipment, please DM me. DM Dylan. DM Dylan. No, honestly, I have I have a lot to say about specialized because I've been missing it. Um cool. And also thank you for uh helping us make this pod. Sorry, my brain is I can see you. Why don't you do the last one? I really don't want to be put on the spot, but I am really appreciative to everyone who has been involved in helping us to do this. Um it's been a really fun way to get to know you better and do all the things to yell at you and honestly so that everyone can really understand our dynamic and see that you're wrong about a lot of stuff. Um and that's really important to me. And I and I really appreciate all of our sponsors. I appreciate um Payson and Nicole and Lily, most of all, um, because she does so much work. She's she's the best. That's all I have to say. Oh, you forgot to say the name with pace. There you go. Okay. Okay, bye. With bye, with bye. With bye bye.