Talking Over You

Passover, bike messengers, and flopsy (ft. Margie Weinstein)

• Hannah and Sarah Sturm • Season 1 • Episode 34

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Sarah and Hannah are back together this week to celebrate a belated Passover. They reminisce about the Easter egg hunts they never had as children and try to remember the name of Sarah’s least favourite party game. Hannah got to talk to a former bike messenger while getting a tattoo in Denver last week, and the experience might converted her into a cycling enthusiast. They are also joined by their Mom, Margie. Back by popular demand, she talks about her impending grandmother-hood and her advice to Sarah as a soon-to-be-parent. Plus, Hannah reveals her true Enneagram (spoiler alert: Sarah was wrong).

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Welcome to Talking Over You with Sarah Sturm and Hannah Sturm. Here we go. If you're gonna be an asshole, be funny. At least be funny. I thought it was a man coon. We need to have like a real athlete on here. It makes me consider different careers every time I have to pee in my chamois. Wow. This is maybe the latest we've ever recorded in the day. So nice. Yeah. You like that better to do afternoon? Well, we should do that. Yeah. Mornings are I like to just get all my shit done and then I have time to think about the podcast. Sure. You know, it's just well, we can do that. Yeah. Um, you look very cute. Little farmer Sue. Thank you. You actually look I mean, very cute. Let me just say, very cute. Um a little like a toddler. And I do love that. It's the overalls. It's just it's cute. It's hard to lip to. The hair clip. Hair clip. Can you see it? Yeah, it's adorable. Thank you. Ugh. This thing is kicking. I felt it last night. I know. All four legs, I feel like. I did have to get over how creepy it is, though, to touch your stomach. It is tight as a drum. It is taut. It is and it I've never like we aren't like incredibly touchy, you know. Like we don't like hug a lot. Um we don't like cuddle, you know. Um, so because of me? Yeah. Yeah, I don't like it. Yeah, I know. That is because of you. Um, so it's weird to like touch you for so long. Is it what's happening? It's just moving. Good. Swim around, little thing. Why me swim swim. Um, yeah, God, I feel like what has happened? We should probably talk about sponsors and then we should so much and so little. Um, yeah, I was trying to think. Okay, so uh our sponsor um today is specialized bicycles. Right. And there's just so much I can say. Like, there's this funny thing that happens when you're a sponsored athlete. Like, yes, I am paid to represent specialized. Oh my god, I can't do that. Your mom's crazy alarm. Oh, it's still going. It's still going. Um there's like there's so there's so much I could say about yeah, my bike sponsor that has sponsored me for eight years now. And everyone kind of is like, oh yeah, well, you have to say that. But I have to like it's one of those companies that like once once you get in, you hold on to. Um, not just because they make incredible bicycles, like that kind of goes without saying you don't you don't get to the top um of the industry, which they've been at for a long time without making incredible equipment, you know, no matter how much money you have, like their dedication to innovation is huge. And it's a big part of the bike industry. Um, and unlike, I don't know, it's unlike even the auto industry, like bike industry moves so quickly. Like innovation happens from year to which is a problem. Like sometimes it's a problem. Sure. Um, but it's really special and really cool to get to ride these bikes that are, you know, on you know, the cutting edge of new things. And sometimes, you know, they don't work and or the the technology is like ahead of its time. I shouldn't say they don't work, but it does. Um, and so that's been really, really cool. And it also is just cool to be a part of like a legacy company like that. And specialized is is definitely that. Um, I have raised the crux through my professional cyclocross career, and it was a killer cyclocross bike, and they've sort of adapted it. I mean, sad for all the true cyclocrossers out there, um, because the OG Crux was like a legit cross bike, and now the crux is sort of turned into um an O like the the cream of the crop gravel bike. I think it's the lightest gravel bike on the market, which is crazy. It they they are insanely light, they're so responsive. Um, but it's been it's just been really special to get to like represent the creative side of specialized also. Like I get to work with their team to come up with custom paint jobs for my bikes, and like I loved that they did the artist series a c uh two seasons ago. They've just done some like really creative pro and the first year that I was on, you know, signed with specialized, they did a collab with 10 speed hero. That was like the specialized 10 speed. And if you don't know what I'm talking about, scroll, scroll a couple. You could probably Google it and find it quicker. Google it. Yeah, Google it on on my Instagram. Like, there was just like were you about to say Google it on my Instagram? Yeah, I think I did say that. But you could Google it or see or see it on my Instagram. And it was this like really sick collab between like the biggest bike company in the world and like this little boutique, you know, kit company, artsy. Um, and anyway, I just was thinking about how special it is to like get to race for specialized on like not only are like they one of the more winningist bike brands, I mean Demi just won Flanders on the tarmac again, you know. Anyway, a lot of words. They just win, they just win a lot of bike races, and that's very important to them. Yeah, but it also is cool that they support kind of creative definitely folks and adventury folks too. So yay! And this podcast. So great. What are you looking at? Is that the garbage disposal? I don't know. It stopped. Well, I'm glad you called attention to it. Well, there's a lot happening in the kitchen. Um put it out of your mind. Mom is here. Um, she is currently making matzabal soup for our very late Passover Seder. No, it's Passover. I saw on my calendar, it's Passover day five. Oh, oh sure. Okay. Well, yeah. Pesach. Pesach. Yeah. Honestly, we don't celebrate many. We barely celebrate a Passover Seder, honestly. Our Seder is um a bit sacrilegious. I would say. We basically just I I love it though. It's my favorite Jewish holiday that we celebrate because it just especially the way that we do it. And I was thinking about um just like in years past, and one of our like It's like the only traditional thing we do. Well, and and one of the main traditions that we've done in years past is like invite people who've never experienced a satyr before. I know I really wanted to this year. I know. Well, who were you gonna invite? Okay. Um, well, and I it reminds me, I don't know, I think you maybe weren't in town for this one, but there was one that we did. I had a um, this was a friend of mine in college, and she was from like Bible Belt, Texas, had never like super, super, super religious Baptist, uh, and had never been drunk before, definitely never been to anything Jewish or done anything. And uh like halfway through the Seder and like Passover, you drink like four cups of wine. Like it's like seven. It's I don't think that's right. But it's whatever, it's a lot of a lot of wine. At one point, she was like, Wow, this is so fun. I feel really funny. I was like, did we get Mackenzie drunk? But she had a great time, and then I brought another college roommate once, and she was like, Whoa, Passover is the craziest drinking game I've ever I've ever experienced. So that's tonight. That's something to look forward to. Yeah, we don't we like kind of skim through the the Hagadah. Hagada and just get to the songs. There's like a little, there's like a booklet. Haggala. To all of our Jewish listeners out there. Hog Samaya. Hogs, Hog Samaya, and to all of our other listeners, I hope you had an Easter full of candy. Can I talk about Easter for a second? I don't like the pastels. Okay, great. That was all I had to say. Oh, really? Yes, I was literally gonna say like of all of the holidays I don't celebrate, I feel like Easter is my least favorite. I couldn't agree more, but I love the candy. Wait, what? This was okay. Tell me about the candy that you love. I like um the Robin's eggs. Okay, wow. I feel like we're on how do you feel about Robin's eggs compared to Cad's Cadbury, Cadsbury, Cadbury eggs? Um, isn't that just Hershey's chocolate with the little shell? I think so. It's like a big stretched out MM. But pastel and like matte. Matt, exactly. How do you feel about uh I'll eat them? People love them, people are obsessed with them. Mike likes them, but they're wrong because Robin's eggs are so much better. Way a hundred times. How do you feel about peeps? Love a peep. Frozen or stale. Disgusting. That's the only way you should eat them. It makes my skin crawl thinking about them. Really? Jelly beans? I'll fuck them up. I would rather have a peep than a jelly bean. Any day. The reason I don't love Easter, and maybe it's because let's be so clear, we've never celebrated Easter. No, we did one year. I remember when we were little, Hannah was like, I want to do Easter, and I like got up and hid a bunch of eggs in our yard. This is exactly what I like I wrote down in my notes. Oh, because I that was like a very core memory for me of being like, I want to be like the normal kids and have Easter. And you were like, I got you. Got it. And you hit a bunch, and then we were young. I loved deck, I love decorating the eggs. We did decorate eggs. Yeah. We did Pasanky eggs with mom. It was like art project. Yeah, that was really fun. That was really fun. Mom just said that she threw them out. Apple got into them. She she like I'm bummed that she threw them out. So Pasanky eggs, you like poke holes. I don't know where it comes from. You blow the yolk out. You blow the yolk out of it, and then you use like beeswax melted beeswax. Like this apparatus that you melt over a candle. Uh-huh. And it turns like the beeswax wax black, but then it basically, this apparatus that you use turns the wax, it's essentially like drying on the egg. Yeah. And so you can be beeswax pen. So you dip it in whatever color that you want to then cover in wax to maintain that color. And you do layers and layers and layers of that. Yeah. But every time you like dye it, it gets a darker color. It's basically what people do with crayons on uh like Easter eggs. With and the most like like way more extreme, and you can get really incredible, like in the world. And then you melt and then the fun part is you melt everything after it all dries, you melt the wax off and wipe it off. And then you feel the whole that was really fun, but mom finally threw those away. I think we'd had them for I would have kept them. I know. I think Apple ate one of them. Of course she did. Just crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch. Um I didn't like, I still don't like, I don't like Duck Duck Goose for the same reason or the chair. What's the chair one? No. Oh god. What's the chair one? I I know what you're talking about. Um it's not Simon says, it's is it duck duck goose? No. No. What's that called? We'll have to ask mom. Mom either we'll know it immediately or we'll have no idea what we're talking about. We we'll ask her though. I can't. Alright, we're like the channel. There's not enough Sarah and Ellen. There are not enough chairs. Yeah, it's not they're not enough chairs, and the music stops. And then you have to start ringing around the roses. What were you gonna say about it though? Same anxiety-invoking competitive feeling from a very young age. Easter egg hunts for me. I was like, gotta push these kids out of the way and get the Easter eggs. Do you feel the same way about finding the Offikomen? Totally. Really? I feel like. Do you think you won and found the Offikomen more than anyone else growing up? I mean, I I think I would like to think that. I don't know if it's true. But I just remember like sitting through the whole Seder, like, especially when we did the Seder at the synagogue, and I was like, I must win. Like I was just thinking about the whole time. Really? Yeah, it was very distracting. I was just I wish there wasn't a competitive component to it. That's so funny. The whole Seder, I was just like waiting for the Elijah part and just being kind of spooked by it and just being like, ooh, hey. I'm sorry if you've never been to a Seder. Um, you should come. We would love to have you. Yeah, we'll host. And and just with the understanding that the way that we do a Seder is not accurate. Nor does it have anything to do with religion. You know what I did think about doing and then decided no was um the Matza nails? No, the ten plagues. But that would have been good. Oh, maybe I should take this tag off. It's really itchy. A fly would be tough. And then like a like lice. How do you do light? You know? Oh, got it. But there were some other ones that I was like, ooh, that would be really fun. And then and I made a but I made ugly nails. I know. I also chose this is like my nails. I mean, they're not they're not ugly, but it's just such an example of my ability to not make a decision and choose all of the things that I wanted to do.

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All in one nail set. Same. I had the same thing. I could have just picked one of those things, either just full blue, yep, or chrome French tips, or black French tips, or alternating chrome and black, but I did all of it. I look back on when I was doing my nails and I was like, it did look nice when it was just plain. That did look pretty. And then I went, let's just put a bunch of shit on there and make it all look bad. And then I lost at least it's my dry. I have to like suffer through like it. Well, it's not even that. I was like, oh God. I guess I have to tip her a lot. But I did purchase this morning when I woke up at your house that uh Dylan's alarm went off at 6 30, but I thought it was yes, but only the vibrate, but it must have been like I swear it was in my room. Our walls are thin. I like I got like panicky because I was like, my alarm's going off and it's gonna wake them up. And then it turned off and then I couldn't go back. Anyway, so I ordered a a nail the like e-file. Um so Wow, I didn't even hear his so that I can take my stupid little nails off. Um I have a very well, we already sort of covered it, but what? I have baby named Tinder on my list. Oh my god. Just listening to you and I was like, so what are your baby names that you guys like? What are we thinking? And you guys both just like bickered back and forth, and I heard no names. And then and then you were telling me about, yeah, baby named Tinder, which I did not know was a thing. So Dylan and I like it was so funny. The weekend uh we spent in it was before I knew I was pregnant. Um, but it was weird. I had this one moment where like we were riding with my friend Sparky, it was Dylan and Sparky and I, and um, I was like, well, I guess I could be pregnant, like sort of as like a joke. And um, and then I said that, and like I remember riding the back of the truck, like driving to this ride, and I was like, I actually think I'm pregnant. Like I just had this like moment, uh like I will never forget that feeling. I didn't say anything, and then when we came anyway, so we were driving home from Moab that that trip, and I didn't I hadn't confirmed anything, blah blah blah. And and Dylan and I were like trying to like stay entertained because it was kind of later, and I was like, let's figure out some baby names. I don't know, like yeah, might as well. We were like already talking about like oh if we want to have kids, blah, blah, blah. And yeah, we just like sort of came up with this like very short list, which that was like the first of dabbling into the baby name internet world, which is a disgusting world that I don't want to be a part of. People make it like their entire like Instagram. You could hire a baby name coach or whatever they are. Wow. I mean it's not like a I mean it's not a small task. It also is kind of crazy that we like name babies and then like they go through their whole lives with these names unless they decide otherwise. A middle name is good for that to potentially go on. Yeah, like Sparky. Her her first name or whatever, primary name. I think first name is accurate, I don't know what it's called, but okay. First name primary sweet. First name, yep, is Isneresa. Whoa. And then her middle name is I don't actually know if her middle name is Sparky, but she said, like, since and sorry, Sparky. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe like her parents read it in like a National Geographic magazine, and they were like, We I mean it is a pretty name, Isneresa, but a bitch to spell. And then I think from when she was like a little baby, they were like, Oh, you're a Sparky. And she is a Sparky. Yeah. But I don't even know if that's she just had to suffer through first day of school every year. Oh. I don't think she even I think it was just always Sparky. Yeah, except for like they all like your first day of school, like they it has your legal primary name on there. Yeah, anyway, so baby name Tinder is when like you like it's a friends told us about this. This is how they named their son. Um they yeah, it's an app, and you both download the app and basically it just does flashcards of like different names, boy girl, boy, girl, or whatever, if you know you're having a girl. And if you swipe right and your partner swipes right, then it it matches that name. My favorite thing with it was watching you. It was like the tutorial of like, okay, swipe right to like it, swipe left. And so it was like mine's broken, it doesn't work. And I was like, Sure, you're fucking swiping the wrong way. Clearly, you've never done online dating. No, totally. I was like swiping to I was swiping the wrong way. I didn't matter you were swiping the wrong way. It was the app of it. It was wrong. Um, what I was thinking we should do, because we do have a special guest today. It was touching go. We weren't sure. Um, but we have well mom have we'll have mom come in later. Um but I figured if there are bike things that you wanted to talk about, maybe we should talk bike things. Yeah, what are the bike things that I have? Well, Flanders or Flanders. Is that a person or a place or a it's a place. Okay. It's a race. Okay. It's one of the spring classics road race. Okay. But I it really has nothing to do with the bike race and more about women's cycling right now, root women's road cycling, because Pagatcha is so dominant. He just wins everything. It's like he is a once-in-a-generation talent. Cool. Truly. I mean, unless it comes out that he was doping, horribly doping, and he had the only thing that no one else had, which I think I think he's just a freak of nature. Yeah. Um, but it makes their bike races boring, honestly. And then it just make the contrast of those races and now women's racing, like truly the top top 15 women, any of them could win these races, which is really exciting. Yeah. Um, and so yeah, Flanders is like this big, iconic Belgian race. It's always like shitty weather. There's like this really steep, slippery, like cobbled uh street that's actually in a famous cyclocross World Cup as well. Um, but it's like 22% great at one point. And it's caught like it's like is that the thing that you posted? I feel like I saw a story and I was like, I was waiting for something to happen. That wasn't even on the like nothing happened. Oh, well, it was the break. Oh, okay, where Demi got away. Oh or Damie. Um, I don't know what this was from. Uh no context, but I did see, and I think it was Pagaccha, um jump on like on the bike with the female Pauline. Yeah. What were they doing? They were like sitting on the bike together. Yeah, he was giving her that about while they each are engaged or married to other people. Oh. So it was very innocent. Uh oh, okay. But the bike world was like, it was literally the only and that's funny that you saw it too. It's like the only thing that came from which is so good for cycling, honestly. And like I'm just looking for drama where drama doesn't exist. Totally. How can we make this reality TV? So she won, she won the women's tour. Okay. And she got second to Demi. That's Pauline. Okay. Um, but yeah, she like rode on the he gave her ride to the podium on his bike. Aww. Because he's a nice guy. Nice. Honestly, Legacy kind of seems like someone who would be on the collegiate cycling team, who would be like the fun fast kid to hang out with, like who would kind of party and like, but he was like serious, but like only when it needed to be serious. Yeah. Like he just seems he seems like our friend Steven. He looks like him. Yeah, he does. Is that the one? Yeah, yes. That's who I like to the point where I've seen pictures and been like, I don't know if Steven listens to the podcast, but his boy might. Okay. Yeah, I think Jenny. Shout out. Shout out to Jenny. Um, okay, do you have more bike stuff? Because I have a bike thing that I wanted to bring up to you. Um, just like some pregnancy in relation to psychological. Boring. Okay, so my thing. Um, so I got a tattoo in when I was in Denver from this guy that I've gotten another tattoo for. Very cool tattoo. He's great. Um, he was telling me that he used to be a bike messenger in San Francisco. Yeah. And was like, I just was asking him tons of questions about what that world is like. That's crazy. It's so gnarly. I didn't understand. That's where fixed gear bikes came from. Uh yeah. It yeah. New York. I was curious how much you knew about that. A ton. Well, a ton. A ton, I mean. Well, I mean, I know enough. So, like, that's where Alley cats came from. Yeah, that's what he was telling me about. Uh, it it's a it's a legit job. Um crazy job. Like, I was like, what what kind of things are being delivered? Why is this happening? And he was explaining to me, yeah, where traffic is so bad. And it's like oftentimes like legal stuff or architectural things, like things like blueprints, things that need like the original needs to get to somebody. That's cool, and bikes. Are the fastest way that it can happen. And so they have like he worked for um I don't know, whatever this like agency, and they're all like on like walkie-talkies, and like sometimes they'll have to like ride next to a car in traffic and like grab the thing and then bring it to like it just sounded and the subculture part of it sounded very cool. Like he started tattooing, uh like he does he's a hand poker, and um like the reason he's now just like a full-time tattooer, like he started just tattooing all of the uh all the bike messengers. So yeah, it's it's a really sick, like it sounded very cool. I was like, what are you guys wearing? Like genre the outfit. There's an outfit. Yeah, there's a look, there's this brand chrome from yeah, definitely. Like this brand chrome. Like bike messengers always have those U locks like on their like in their pockets or like the big chains. Um but yeah, there's like it's it's totally a vibe. Yeah. And there's I mean, I don't we should have Chaz on because he um I think he was a bike messenger. Um, but yeah, there's I am assuming there's a different look between the like San Francisco bike messengers and the New Yorkers. But was he in New York or San Francisco? I don't know. I think he was in San Francisco because he's in Oakland now. Okay. Um, but yeah, they're also a part of that like subculture is uh this there's this crit series called the Red Hook Crit. Um and actually that cyclocross team that I was referring to used to be um the a red hook team. And it was it was basically so that the bike that Dylan raced, like a fixed gear, uh-huh. No brakes at mid-sound. No, yeah, yeah. Uh the no-brake type of bicycle where there's no free like there's no coasting. Like you can't just like not pedal. Like you always have to be pedaling and you slow yourself down by like ABP, always be pedaling. ABP. And you have to like slow yourself down by like slowing your it's really uh it's gnarly. Sounds awful. But then and normally people race fixed gear bikes on the velodrome. Oh where it's actually like much easier to do that. Like I like on a crit course, because you can't really clip your pedal on a velodrome because they're all banked. Okay. So like at the bottom of because normally, like in a normal crit with like a normal bicycle that you can coast, you always, whichever way you're turning in, like the shortest distance, that leg is up. So you're not hitting that pedal and you're not pedaling around those really sharp turns. But with fixed gear bikes, it's really sketchy on like stores. You don't you can't coast because you can't coast, and so you have to time it right. Yeah, it's it's really gnarly. Whoa, that seems really hard. It's really hard. But there was this like really famous crit, and I think it I don't know if it was a series just in Red Hook, uh, New York, but the Red Hook district, but it was called the Red Hook Crit, or if like they were all over the country, so right in, take it. It just was cool. I super cool. Be super interested to learn more. But and then I learned about alley cat races, and then I sort of like got to apply that. My uh my friend was in town from Moab, and uh I was just telling Dylan about this when we were on our walk, but you guys weren't there, but um, they just did uh a an alley cat race, but I think it was more of like a scavenger hunt type thing. Yeah. The sleepless jeepless or something. So it's during Jeep Week in Moab. And um they from what I understand, it's like a 24-hour like you have like teams of four, and they're all you have to like complete all of these different like silly tasks. Like Molly was telling me about how she had last year, she had to like um baby bird like beer out of her mouth into like an old jeepers guy's mouth, and he was like really stoked on it. Yeah, or like milk or something. It was either milk or beer. Either one, actually, milk sounds. We have way grosser. You do? Yeah, Chad, Chad will like organize. We yeah, they're Chad different than Chaz. Uh different than Chaz. Yeah, Chad Cheney. He does the like we would do those a lot with Devo, the junior team here, or the Fort Lewis team to like, especially in like winter months, yeah. They're fun, because like you kind of I mean it's not like good training, but listen, I don't ride bikes. I will never ride bikes. I'm feel very clear on that. If I ever did though, that's what I would be doing. It's fun. It sounds like so much fun. There's also like um like I do love these like big community group rides that are starting. Like there's a cruiser ride that happens in the summer in Durango. Like literally people are just like in normal outfits and they just go and like ride their cruiser bikes around town, like on the river path or something. Like it's not always that is why I like cycling. Like it's not always community, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I like going and riding now. I like I mean, I like all of it. Like I like a parade, I like an alley cat. Yeah, but I also but you're so competitive and you want to race. But I also want to be the best at the bikes. But I also really like training like Ellen and Maud and I. Yeah, Ellen and Maud and I, we went out on a ride the other day, and each of us had our own like workout. Um, and it was really funny. Like Ellen put her like headphone in for one of her efforts, and like we all did the same ride, but we all had different like we were all doing something at a different time, and it's kind of nice. It's really funny. It is really funny. And that's all I have for meatloaf. This is my favorite part of when mom's here is Sarah just fucking with like nope, the cord's not right. Nope, hold it up to your face.

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Hold the microphone up to your microphone. Oh, sorry.

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I was just in your bathroom um putting on all the makeup I could find.

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Oh yeah.

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So like not much. Yeah. I was gonna say it used to, I was probably all years at one point or from high school. What'd you put on?

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Well, I put on some lip stuff and some I have lip stuff? Yeah. Well, I think it's supposed to be for ends. It's Jones Road.

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Oh, you gave me that. I don't think that's lip stuff. Oh it is now.

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How are the Matzo balls? They're done.

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Great.

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And you had you didn't drop on the floor?

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Nope. Not yet. They're still actors. Oh, not this year. That was all you. Me? We did have tears today. Because of me. Really? Really? Oh. Sorry. Well, one of these days we'll have a podcast where not where nobody cries in the morning.

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I didn't know. I don't think that's a thing.

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We might not. Well, you never cry.

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It wouldn't make everyone cry. That's not true. Are we recording now? Oh, okay.

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Just checking.

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Yeah. Oh, sorry.

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No, it wasn't.

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Well, we could go, we can get into it on the podcast. That was great. I thought you knew that she cried. I thought she was crying in front of you. Guess she was just crying to me. Oh, I think I like maybe knew you were tearing up, but I just ignored it. Thanks. Sorry. And that does sound accurate. I'm not, I just don't love a I don't love a cry. Mom, I'm curious how you feel about Easter candy.

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Um, I used to go across the street to Lori Justice's house and raid her Easter basket because I felt really deprived.

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Oh. So there I don't even know the theme is that you guys really felt like Jews were missing out. On Easter.

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Well, on the candy front for sure.

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Yeah. Yeah, we get what? Macaroons? Which are the worst of all not macarons? Macaroons. Coconut macarons. The grossest dessert ever. I mean, I'll eat it. I mean, I kind of won't. The ones in the can or the tin. I don't like that.

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The ones from Brad love sugar. Well, we'll try the ones from Whole Foods. But um typically Passover candy was that um, it's all sesame seeds, like in sugar, crunchy. Oh, I do like that though. I do too. I don't like that. I have a hull of a time. Yeah. But I used to go across the street and get those marshmallows not the orange, not peeps. These had a hard candy coating on the outside. That's good. And marshmallow on the inside? It was just sugar. I don't know if it was marshmallow.

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Are you talking about the jelly like orange slices? Oh, damn. Okay. These were something from the 60s.

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Uh, I want to try them. So if somebody knows what the fuck you're talking about.

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Yeah, they were different colored. They were sort of uh egg-shaped little that does check out. Yeah.

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I've been watching, sorry, no, go. I've been watching Mad Men, which is like it starts in the 50s, and I feel like I'm more connected to your generation now. I feel more connected to your generation in um playing Racco. I can't wait. I found this game uh at our Airbnb and went to go pick it up because Ace Hardware said that they had them and they didn't have them. And so Dylan and I have been making Racco. Dylan was making the racks for the racco. I was just gonna do it out of cardboard, but he was like, he loves a project. Is he still? And he fixed the door. I broke our door. Poor Dylan. Dylan's doing a lot. I think honestly, Dylan just wanted to like really kind of. Did I talk about this on the last podcast? But I my I felt really hormonal. Like I hadn't really like been like bitchy or weird. Like I truly hadn't been in the pregnancy until last Monday evening. That's remarkable. And then I just, I guess on Tuesday morning I woke up and I was like, I hate Dylan. And I I told him I was like, I'm sorry, I'm just like really hormonal and I really hate you. I felt like you felt that way last night too. Yeah. Well, and I apologized. Yeah, I just I yeah. Hormones. Sorry. I'm glad it's not me. I don't care. My nipples have been so itchy. Your nipples have been itchy? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Wait, are we talking about itchy nipples now? Yeah, what do you have to say? I don't have them. Nipples? Clean off. Don't know what happened. That's why you scratched them right off.

SPEAKER_04

It is so it's so brutal. Oh, and she's scratching her nipples as we speak. I think it's just because they're growing because they turn into fucking dinner plates. Yeah, they're saucerers. I just wait for that. That's the thing I'm most excited about.

SPEAKER_02

And they bleed. Did anybody tell you that they bleed? There's so many colours.

SPEAKER_04

I've just seen those like silver, the silver nipple covers that you can buy. They're like these little like thin silver they look like thimbles but with like a a plate on them. I'll make you some.

SPEAKER_02

It's gonna be a new product. Why?

SPEAKER_04

Why? Because your nipples get really sensitive and there's something with the silver that like helps. That and cabbage leaves. Cabbage leaves are supposed to be good for like clogged ducks. Yeah, I think clogged ducks.

SPEAKER_02

Boy, I really, I really can't wait. I have no clogged ducks.

SPEAKER_00

Except for my right eye.

SPEAKER_02

Are you excited to be a grandma? I'm so excited. I really, I mean, as Sarah gets more and more pregnant, I get really I talk to the baby a lot. What are you saying? I'm just saying hi at your grandma floppy.

SPEAKER_00

Oh flopsy. Flopsy. Is it flopsy or floppy? Yeah, Sarah and I decided, how did it how did it become?

SPEAKER_04

Because of Hannah McCrew's mom, Martha is Moppy. She texted or she commented or something. It was a text, and she was like, has Margie decided what she's going to be called? And mom was on the text thread. And I was like, I don't know, probably floppy. Because Martha's moppy. Yeah. And I was just thinking, or cotton tailed. Flopsy, mopsy, and I feel like flopsy is perfect. Because what was Flopsy growing up? Was Flopsy bunny? It's a bunny. Flopsy, moppy, and Mopsy. Mopsy and cottontail. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00

I didn't know what you were talking about. Missed that. It was a bunny, you fucking idiot. You would do the same thing to us.

SPEAKER_04

Oh my god, heaven forbid we not know something. Flopsy. Oh, Mom, what was sorry, quick thing. Sarah and I couldn't remember the name. Um, you know, like all the like kids' games, there's like Duck Duck Goose and blah blah blah. What's the chair game where like the music stops? Oh, music.

SPEAKER_00

We're just missing the music part. Got it. Okay, got it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

It was the meanest game ever. And we always played it. And for the kids who went to the 1950s.

SPEAKER_04

Competitive channels.

SPEAKER_02

It goes right into the cactus. That would hurt. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Sarah was brutal. I hated it.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, we had cried. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

That was the one thing that was like, I know we need to like close the loop on something. That was that was it.

SPEAKER_02

I love that you mentioned the sonky eggs or finally threw those out. No, I'm bum that you did. Oh no. God. They were. I would have taken them. They were so full of dust. All that lacquer. You have to polish them with like beeswax and and they weren't that good. No.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, but they were so many fun memories. It was fun. Just everything. Throwing away our memories. I'm trying to crush spirits one at a time. Um, I'm really bummed that the new American girl dolls, they made all skinny. And they look creepy. I saw them. Um actually, uh I want to know if this is a girl or a boy. Only be maybe I'll just get it an American girl doll either way. But I'm like, should I get one on eBay? Wait, so why are you getting them an American girl doll? Because I I loved my American girl doll. Well, why don't you just wait and see what they're into? Okay. But I could also just get an American girl doll for the game. Okay, what happened to Kirsten? I don't know. That's why I asked you. I think Kirsten. Kirsten. I think Kirsten got thrown away. Remember it her leg was dangling. She had a dangled note. She had a dangly leg. We paid to get it repaired. We? Mom and Dad. I don't remember. We sent it in. I did. Did you?

SPEAKER_02

That was the hospital that you chose.

SPEAKER_04

I loved the American Girl Doll. They did modernize them in a really weird way. Yeah, they made their ex all skinny. Uh-huh. And like. I just I really loved it. Everyone, we've already had an American Girl Doll episode. And let's bring it back. Who were you? Do you remember them? Kirsten. Josefina. There was Molly, Samantha, Addy. Wow, yeah. Kristen. Roll. Kirsten. Kirsten. Kirsten. I'm sorry. If your name is Kirsten, Kristen, or Kirsten, fuck you. Same. Damn, Sarah.

SPEAKER_00

All right.

SPEAKER_04

Damn, that was March. Only because I have so many of them in my life, and I literally I avoid saying their names because I'm like. This is good for when you're naming your child, maybe Leah.

SPEAKER_02

Leah.

SPEAKER_00

Leah. Leah. Leah Leah. And I'm trying to think about the words. I'm gonna contribute to it.

SPEAKER_02

I'm not just sitting here holding the microphone. I want to say something. Leah.

SPEAKER_04

Okay, Leah. Leah is out. And also Leah. No, I'm just saying I'm just saying I it's a beautiful name, one of those three, but I we can we just need to stick to one of them. Because I don't want to be I don't want to be saying your name wrong and then being corrected. But do you know, like, you know a Layla and a Lila, and those two people are different people. Like those names are different. I was talking to Meg about that. Like the difference between a Meg and a Megan, huge. Different people. So many Megs, so many Megans in my life. And they're so different. Like well, all the ones I know are pretty similar. Well, I was like Megs, but none of them get along. Names are complicated. Like there's a lot to think about in naming a child. I then like I don't know. Yeah, totally. I wish I had gone by my middle name. We thought you would. Thanks for suggesting it.

SPEAKER_02

Well, you you were on your own trajectory.

SPEAKER_04

I mean, you can still do it. You can change it. Let's do it. Too far gone. I know. I remember when you tried to do it in college and then somebody be like Zoe Sturm. And I was like, uh-uh, okay. I had to go by Zoe in my classes because I was Sarah number five. Yeah, there's so many Sarah's. Yeah, and then I made the mistake of not going by Zoe on the cycling team, and that's where the discrepancy was. And it's weird to switch your name when you're in college, although mom did that. I have friends doing that now. What was she? I have two different friends who have changed in this last year. Yeah. Weird. Yeah. Really? Uh-huh. From what to what? Amanda to Andy and Lucy to Lou. Oh, well, I mean, those are name changes. You can still do it. They're in their 30s.

SPEAKER_02

I think she's taken. I mean the name.

SPEAKER_04

I wish she wasn't. I think Lucy Lou is very hot. Did you suggest Leah to her? And how about Leah?

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Leah.

SPEAKER_04

We all know Leah. Yeah. The name thing. It's funny. I like I know people get like really weird about their like baby name. Like they get like they don't say it. Oh. It's very close to the Yeah. I don't care at all. Well, I mean, maybe hold it. I mean, I would take I would say it on the podcast, but I I have I don't know what it is. I think Dylan would want that. Dylan doesn't give a shit. Also, I keep asking like what what are some of them? And and you I haven't heard Oh, I was waiting for Dylan to answer. I don't think he cares. He just couldn't think of any of them. I was like, well, that's probably not a good sign. I think about it every ride I go on because I'm like, okay. It's just fun. Yeah. But also I'm like, it's cra I did look up in Colorado, you can wait a year. Like you can't be a kid. Yeah. Which honestly, I mean, is crazy, but it kind of makes sense because I'm like, you're handed this baby that you don't even know yet. I mean, we named Norman Nacho for a week and we were like, well, you're not a nacho. Well, I named Apple, like Apple's the wrong name for her. Her name should have been like Wednesday. Wednesday. Yeah. That would have fit her so much better. Like Urs or something like.

SPEAKER_02

I don't think we named you right away. You didn't have a bed, you had a basket.

SPEAKER_04

When you went with Sarah? Yeah. Yeah.

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Damn.

SPEAKER_04

What were you deciding between?

SPEAKER_02

Uh Dad liked Zoltar.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. He did want to name you Zoltar. Kayla for you. Ugh. I don't think I'm a Kayla.

SPEAKER_04

You are not a Kayla.

SPEAKER_01

Not a Kayla. Dad would like Kayla.

SPEAKER_04

I'm curious about like what are the things that you're excited about and being a grandma, being a flopsy. Have you thought about it?

SPEAKER_02

Oh, a lot. Yeah. All the things that I loved about holding you guys and just when you're little, just blobby things, and just watching how you grow and just getting to experience that and watching you guys be parents.

SPEAKER_04

I mean, I know I was thinking about that on my ride today. I was like, that's gotta be super weird to watch like the thing that you babied and has have released into the world become a parent.

SPEAKER_02

I know, and it's cool because I hope you remember all of those things that, you know, the way you were held and all of the things.

SPEAKER_04

You remember how you were held, right?

SPEAKER_02

No. Well, I mean, I think it's feelings.

SPEAKER_04

I think it goes back to very primal sort of It's this funny balance of like you want to do you sort of want to do what your parents either did or you don't. Well, that's what I was gonna say. Like I feel like there's some things that like stick out from like parts of your childhood that you're like, I don't want to do that. Like I don't want to become like my parent in this way, or like parent this way, because this was really hard for me, or this was didn't work. But then there's also the other side of like, oh, these things were really great, and I do but then you're also coupled with someone else that had had a really their own thing, and then also like a new thing that I was thinking for you, you and dad, you have to share with another set of grandparents.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. Which is crazy. Yeah, I'm just excited about I love doing uh we always did arts and crafts stuff. I mean, you guys it's a ways away, but yeah, yeah. I mean, making Valentines and See that stuff I love like totally.

SPEAKER_04

We'll we'll be carrying that out. I mean, I even thought about like, oh, maybe we'll start doing like Shabbat. Like, I like that.

SPEAKER_02

Tradition, yeah, just is really fun.

SPEAKER_04

That's cool.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I'm really excited about it more and more every day, every time I see you, every time I think about it. Yeah, it's really just the whole thing of of family and expanding, and yeah, I mean cool. I remember feeling after because I remember thinking, how could I have a Baby after I had you because I loved you so much. And I was like, How could you love your second child as much? And as soon as I went into labor with Hannah, it was like, get out of the truck. I got something to do.

SPEAKER_04

So and then you loved, and then you were like, Oh my god, I love her even more.

SPEAKER_00

I was gonna say, What was this horrible mistake I made?

SPEAKER_04

I love her more than I like my first child. You were a tougher baby.

SPEAKER_02

She was a tougher baby. Yeah, you were just from the get-go, really independent. Yeah, just wanted to see what was going on in the world.

SPEAKER_04

I think Dylan was that like you and Dawson are the same.

SPEAKER_02

I think it's firstborn, second born. No, it is.

SPEAKER_04

I'm actually not throwing shade. It just, yeah. I think it's a lot clingier. Yeah. Still am. And actually, dad was telling me that on our ride. He was like, yeah, Hannah was just Velcro baby. But was I only Velcro to you? I don't think I was Velcro to anyone else.

SPEAKER_02

Just it seemed like just to me. Yeah. That's what I remember.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. And that checks out. And I still feel that way. Oh, I hope I don't have a Velcro baby. God, I hope you do. I hope not just you though. Yeah. It's Did that just make you nervous? Yeah. It stressed me out. Of having a baby that wants to be attached to you. No, sorry, this is gonna sound mean, but I just don't I hope I don't have a baby that just cries all the time like you did. I do remember that when I was younger.

SPEAKER_02

I was like excited when Hannah was. And then you didn't feel good. Your tummy hurt. Bitch. And so yeah.

SPEAKER_04

I know I could see that Hannah was getting offended. I feel like you can talk about your baby self-like it's not a part of you. I'm not offended at all. In fact.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it's it's crazy all the stuff you remember and how you remember it differently than maybe how it was. But yeah, I mean, I remember my therapist recently just saying because I was so upset about how am I gonna walk and hold the baby and walk with the baby, and Sarah was like, nobody's gonna do that but us. But you're not gonna have to worry about me. My therapist saying, You're the grandma. You sit in a chair and rock, and the baby sleeps on you, and yeah, just smells you and knows who you are.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. I do love doll.

SPEAKER_04

Like one of the things in my life that I really wanted to see was you become a grandma, and I'm really glad that you're giving that to her, and I don't have to do it. So thank you. Oh, sorry, Apple. I thought you would like that. Touching her with your feet.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, hell no.

SPEAKER_04

She said, I am not excited for a little baby. Yeah, she's gonna be able to do that. I think truly Norman is gonna be shell-shocked.

SPEAKER_02

I think he's gonna love the baby. I love watching those videos of dogs and babies and how sweet they are.

SPEAKER_04

I like watching all the dogs when the babies are like really little, like, and the dogs are just sitting in the corner, like walk this. Or like a lot of them will have their like paws over their heads. Or the dogs. The one husky was just like this in its bed. I like the videos of uh like uh the like grandchild that I gave or that my sister gave my my mom, and it's like this like pulls a socket and it's like a little cute little baby foot, and then it's like and the grandchild that I gave my my mom, and it's like you pull the socket, it's just like a furry little foot. And that does feel right. Yeah, uh-huh. Yeah, it's gonna be fun. It's the first baby and on our side of the I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

My sisters are stoked. Oh my gosh. Well, I know because it's been a long a long time, yeah. My sister Jane, who just turned 80, sorry, Jane, um, and is doing fantastically. But the sons are in their 50s, yeah. You know, so their daughters or kids are going off to college. Yeah, great. So yeah, big gap. Played a long time.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it is critic. Do you have any advice to give Sarah? Oh I love hearing it. I honestly I've really enjoyed hearing from a lot of women. Like, I think I was a little bit misleading on one of my Instagram posts where I'm like, please don't share your scary birth stories. I don't want to hear that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

But I have really enjoyed, like, I was marshalling uh the road race yesterday, the Fort Lewis College Road race, and um relieved this one woman of her marshalling spot. Um her name is also also Sarah. Crazy. And her her kids both race on the Fort Lewis team. And she was telling me about her pregnancy and her experience, parenting, and yeah, it's cool. I love hearing about it from strangers, from I'm sure it'll get old at some well or maybe not, but curious what you have to offer.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I think it is um for me it was immediate. Love at first sight. And there was everything that I thought, everything I thought I believed, you know, I thought I was having you know, two different times, two boys. So I was like, well, I have no psychic abilities. And it's just the if you give um your baby what they need, not necessarily what they well, tiny babies, you just are there to cater to their every whatever and you're constantly just guessing. Like, well, I don't know if this is right, but I'm gonna try it. And I always just felt like if you loved them and gave them what they needed, then all was well.

SPEAKER_04

How do you know what they need?

SPEAKER_02

You just go through a whole bunch of different stuff, and if it doesn't work, you go down to the next one. And if it doesn't I mean, I tried homeopathic stuff with you. I tried how far down the list did you get with Hannah harder? Just had to try harder. Well, I had to sleep with her and you know, nurse her.

SPEAKER_04

And that's all that I wanted. Yeah, is that honestly too much to ask for? I just remember you were purple.

SPEAKER_00

And this is fun.

SPEAKER_02

Um still am kind of purple.

SPEAKER_04

I'm cold, I'm still kind of purple.

SPEAKER_02

I swear you guys just came out. I I don't know if this is all babies or whatever, but you just came out who you are. And so if you pay attention instead of trying to control all of the behaviors and if you just sort of let them be, yeah, and just give them what they need, I think your baby doesn't come out.

SPEAKER_00

Because that would suck.

SPEAKER_04

Could you imagine your asshole too?

SPEAKER_00

That'd be real fucked up.

SPEAKER_04

I know you keep saying that like I have any control over you don't. That's why I'm just I'm just hoping it isn't. I'm just hoping it isn't an asshole because I want to hang out with it. I want to like it. You will be once more anxiety about that. I yeah, I I'm honestly like that. I'm I I've come a long way from like the first part of my pregnancy now that I'm like I'm almost 24 weeks, which is crazy. But yeah, I went from I mean, I really didn't like being pregnant the first half, I would say. And the third trimester could also be that for me. But right now, I'm like, oh, this is this is cool. Like it is nice to like have some time to like process and go through some changing before you have a little screaming baby. And um, you know, my life has changed a lot right now, but nowhere near as much as it's about to change. Um mainly like my my body is change changing from week to week, which is crazy. But that also sort of I hope prepares you for all the changes. But what I I think I told you this yesterday, like one thing I do like about pregnancy is that it changes so quickly. I was just about to say that. I was thinking about like thinking it's sort of like with my hair, like shaving my head, like it really fulfills that like need to like that is a core personality type of like and I really like I really like constant change. Totally. I was literally just gonna say that that was like a really comforting thing for me to hear from you is that like I really like that things are gonna be changing uh that are changing, and then like that's gonna continue to it. Also, is kind of reassuring to me of being like, I actually really hate that. I think I wouldn't like it. Yeah, like that would be a part that I would struggle with. I know I can hear dad like listening to this podcast. Oh, you hate change, and I actually really don't. Yeah, no, you need like the stimulation on sick. Yeah. When I was a freshman, and that was yeah, that was different. But you like constant, yeah. I think Dylan does too. Like we're always like adjusting something. But anyway, I do I'm excited for that. And I have been told by people um that like you know, especially the early days of baby, it just goes by really quickly because they are growing so fast. So I'm excited for that. Like what it they're like, yeah, when you hate a stage, don't worry, it's gonna end soon and be replaced with one that you either like or hate more.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, and people always talked about terrible twos and all that kind of I I just didn't expect I like hearing like some parents are like, I love the two to three year old phase.

SPEAKER_04

And some parents I think across the board I haven't yet stumbled across anyone who's like, I love the newborn phase. Like I haven't really met anyone who's loved that. I'm sure they're out there.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, you'll probably hear from them. Love that newborn. But I'm curious, I'm also just like I didn't know what I was doing. I was like, yeah, well, dad was like, I'm afraid to give her a first bath.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, or click nails. That looks hard.

SPEAKER_02

I just bit them off.

SPEAKER_00

Gross mom. Miss Turtle. Yucky. So it looks so gross dad. Really gross, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Kind of the same thing when you're how is that different when you're a baby? It's not like you're walking on your feet, you know?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, but you're yeah, I I don't know.

SPEAKER_00

Not our toenails.

SPEAKER_02

That was something that dad liked to do.

SPEAKER_00

Not on our toenails? No. Clip them.

SPEAKER_02

Because I was pretty, yeah, I was kind of like hating having him clip my nails.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, because you get it a little too short, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, in a hurry. Yeah, that's why he had him do it. You do all the yucky stuff.

SPEAKER_04

I was reminiscing with uh Dan has ended up doing with Norman. You give him the shot in the neck. Reminiscing with my girlfriends about you know, when we were kids growing up and they're we're sleeping at at our house, and for whatever reason, they slept in a different room, and I slept in in my room. Uh, and that night I got sick and puked on the floor right where they would have been sleeping.

SPEAKER_00

Um I remember going to dad and being like, I throw it up, you know. And he was like, Okay, we'll go clean it up. And then I was like, Mom!

SPEAKER_04

And you made him clean it up. So who's the one who's gonna clean up the barf? Because it's not gonna be me. Dylan. Oh, I sorry, Dylan. I honestly, if I could, I would. You can't. And when baby gives me, it makes me want to throw up. Well, but like baby barf is weird because it's just like milk. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's gross. I still have to. We'll see. I you know, only time will tell.

SPEAKER_02

Yuck. Yuck, mamma.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Um I'm curious if it's gonna have the daredevil gene. Yeah, I don't know how it couldn't. I think we're in.

SPEAKER_02

I told Dylan this morning, watching that video yesterday of him and Ben Kay and who Krady. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

What were they doing? They were they were just writing in test tracks. Yeah. Did did you watch it? I think I saw a clip. I don't know. I find all that stuff really boring. I didn't find it just because it goes.

SPEAKER_02

Oh no, I watch it because it's terrifying. I understand now why his knuckles are always kind of bloody because he hits trees and it goes really quickly.

SPEAKER_04

I rode a scooter one time with Dylan and I was like, nope, I'm good. Yeah, out. I'm out. Like got air off of a speed bump and like bottomed out the suspension.

SPEAKER_02

Uh yeah. Nope. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see. I yeah, I'm excited for all of it. And the grandparent name also, in some ways, you know, when the baby starts going, that may be my name.

SPEAKER_04

No, it's flopsy. You're on you can't do anything to get rid of that name. It's I know I told mom last night, I was like, oh, I fear that that actually might be your name. I don't mind it. I'm not starting, I'm about to call you flopsy.

SPEAKER_02

Well, wait till we the reciter gets going here in a little bit. We're a little late, but sorry, she's shaking.

SPEAKER_04

I don't know why.

SPEAKER_02

We're busy. You okay? What's happening? She good. It just got loud. Sorry, Apple. What else were you guys talking about this morning?

SPEAKER_04

Oh, I was gonna bring up Enneagrams again because Hannah I did. Yeah, so you thought I was a six, uh, which is the loyalist one. And I was reading like I that night I brought it up to my girlfriends, and we were going through all of them to try and you know figure out. And I was reading it and I was going, well, like some parts of that, but I don't know. And so Jordy and I took the test and I got my test results. You want to hear? Yeah. Lily, um, who is wonderful and edits our podcast will be our producer. Our producer, yep, that's what it's called. I'm a four-wing three, which is exactly what she is, too. Um and so it says, intensely creative with a need to express and produce, more socially bitches, still fucking yawning. Yeah, but does it say anything about judgy? More socially engaged and competitive than other fours, ambitious, they want their inner world to be successful in the outer world, and can shift between deep vulnerability and polished confidence. Okay. What do you think? Yeah, I say that tracks. Let's hear the bad shit. Um may chase external validation while also distrusting it. Oh, yeah, definitely. Here we go. She likes the bad shit. Shame spirals when they feel ordinary.

SPEAKER_00

And that's it. That's the only negatives.

SPEAKER_04

No, I just stopped writing it down because it was time to record. Yeah. Are you seeking external validation? I am. I'd like a little bit more than a yeah. Well, you were talking about how and you're not going to be able to do that. I need to read. I need to read through the whole thing. But yeah, I think that that that makes a lot of sense. Do you know what yours is, Mom? Yes.

SPEAKER_02

Yes.

SPEAKER_04

It's uh I texted it to you. Did she take the test or she just No, we were reading through all the personality types at your house. What was that? The Peacemaker.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, for sure.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, that does check out. Tell me about the Peacemaker. You forgot? Yeah, apparently. They forget. I don't know. I did not break. Perfect. Trying. Um my laptop is right next to you. See, this is why we need Lily on the I know. Lily. We're thinking of having uh I think it would be great if she was mic'd up. I think it'd be incredible if she was mic'd up. What I thought about that would be the hardest part of that, is that trying to pin us down on a time is really hard. Um I would really like to read The Peacemaker can't. Did you want me to get it? Uh it's in that.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, me too. I had a big week because I clearly am learning some.

SPEAKER_04

I have a feeling boundaries might be tough with a peacemaker.

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Definitely.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I never forget. Yeah, and so I'll never forget Sarah saying to me, uh, Mom, didn't you just finish reading the book of boundaries? When I told her I was doing something. I was like, not holding boundaries. Yeah, that okay.

SPEAKER_04

I do think it is helpful to find out the wings too, because I there's like wings are like not as prevalent, not as strong, just other ways of I'm actually not totally sure, but I think it just like hones in um on oh like your personality type or your Enneagram type. I think it's just like yeah, the combination of like your number plus your wing. I think. Listen, I don't know. I Sarah just told me about it last week, so I'm just now learning. So Hannah's a four, which is an individualist. Um your basic fear is that they have no identity or personal significance. Your basic desire is to find themselves and their significance to create an identity. Um the four with a wing three is it the aristocrat, whatever that means.

SPEAKER_00

An aristocrat.

SPEAKER_04

Um and I do feel good about that. We can we can dive deeper into this. But we've got mom, so we might as well let's see. Well, I mean just for so the peacemaker is a nine, easygoing, self-effacing type, um, receptive, reassuring, agreeable, and complacent. But okay, so complacent an Enneagram nine with an eight-wing or a one wing? What's the one? You're definitely not an eight-wing. The one is the perfectionist one, isn't it? No. The three is the the achiever. I thought one was what's one? The reformer. What does that mean? Umneagram podcast. The one is I got a lot of emails from people telling me about their Enneagrams emails. Uh-huh. I don't I'm really how do people have your email address? I don't know how they're it's probably I have no idea. It's not linked to our Instagram. Did you see a general Instagram? A general consensus of like what a lot of people what of our our listeners okay, great. Yep. Um an Enneagram one is uh a strong sense of right and wrong. They're teachers, crusaders, advocates of change, always striving to improve things, but afraid to make a mistake. Well organized, orderly, fastidious, they try to maintain high standards but can slip uh into critical and perfectionism. Okay, so yeah, that sounds like okay, just based off of your reaction. Yeah. Yeah. A nine wing one, look that up. Oof. That's that's what mom why it's not negative. No, it just is like on the on the nose. Yeah. Right?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Mom just said oof. Oof. Yeah. On the nose. Which one would you like to be? Oh, I don't know. I would like to be Mother Teresa.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_04

I think she was a nine-wing one, yeah. It doesn't make a pinopatholic nun. It does tell you like the other people in history who's a mom. Do you remember like John F. Kennedy Jr., George Bush, Reagan, Eisenhower, Gloria Steinem. Oh, I do remember Tony Venice. Ringo Starr.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, Ringo.

SPEAKER_04

Jack Johnson, Janet Jackson. How do they know that? I don't know. John Goodman. This is what we were talking about with Lily. Yeah. Winnie Harrelson, Whoopi Goldberg, Zoe De Chanel. Are they all logging their Enneagrams? They've been on podcasts talking about Enneagram numbers. Homer and Marge Simpson. Oh. How do they know that? That is so wild. Norman Rocky. I don't know. That has to be a bunch of bullshit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

They're just random.

SPEAKER_04

So an Enneagram nine with a one wing is the dreamer. Okay. Dreamweaver. They're typical spiritual seekers who have great yearning for connection with the oh, I read this to you. Um, to the cosmos, as well as other people. They work to maintain their peace of mind just as they work to establish peace and harmony in their world. The issues encountered in the nine are fundamental to all psychological and spiritual work. Uh being awake versus falling asleep to our true nature, presence versus um entrancement, openness versus blockage, tension versus relaxation, blah blah blah. What? That what that didn't resonate. I didn't that's why I'm saying, like maybe not on the podcast, but we can and you can also look at your compatibility with other people. I'm pretty sure. I did look at my compatibilities. And I'm pretty sure that Jeff is a five because it's like the super logical one. And that was the one that it was like, yep, that makes sense. Because like a four is super emotional. And the the balance between a four and a five with like their logic balances my emotion. Which does I do see that often in our relationship where like I'm super emotional about something, and uh because Jeff is so incredibly logical, um that oftentimes it helps me to like regulate where the fuck my emotions are coming from. Like uh I was flying back from Denver and I was on that incredibly tiny little eight-seater and I was super anxious because the way out there was so turbulent and like and I'm an easy flyer, but those flights make me nervous. Like it I swear we were doing barrel rolls, it was terrible. And so I looked at the weather and it was like there were the wind was like 20 miles an hour. And I was super nervous, and I texted Jeff and was like, I have a lot of anxiety about flying today. And um he was like, it does look like there's some big gusts. However, the like atmospheric rush blah blah blah that actually goes into like is part of what determines turbulence, um was like really smooth and low for that time. So he's like, you know, it you might have some, but it's like wind isn't the only factor that goes into it. And I and it like helped my anxiety a little bit. And Dylan just goes, you're fine. No work. Dylan's also a five. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Um, what are you guys most looking forward to for Passover? I'm looking forward to a glass of wine.

SPEAKER_02

Hey, we've got a good Alberino. Yay, thank you so much for that.

SPEAKER_04

What are you looking forward to? I'm excited about the matzo balls. Matza balls. Mom makes them with green chili. Um nobody's asked me, but I'll go ahead and ask myself.

SPEAKER_02

We just hadn't gotten there yet.

SPEAKER_04

I literally Harry even said balls. Nobody talked to me.

SPEAKER_00

Haroset. Oh it's the best part. It's pretty good.

SPEAKER_04

It's apple meat and walnuts and cinnamon and shitty Manashevitz wine, but like all chopped up together and marinated, and then you put it on uh the best.

SPEAKER_02

So we made a big deal yesterday at the City Market. Where's your yeah, Passover aisle?

SPEAKER_04

Oh my god, City Market, weirdly, there was there were no cars in the lot when we pulled in, and then it was just all of the weirdest people convened there at the same time. Like there was one lady that was definitely on crack, honestly. Like she was so crazy, and then she dropped a jar and the self-check. Oh my god, it was and mom and we were like sir, I've looked at the Passover aisle before. Like I know I knew that I knew that it was at like kind of the back in this one like near the pasta or the beans or something, and it wasn't like we all like went up and down the aisle so many times, and I was like, just looking for matzah?

SPEAKER_02

Just looking for like gefilter fish. Oh, did you get gefilter fish? No, nobody we decided that nobody liked it. Yeah. You like it? No, I don't really want to. That's exactly what we did.

SPEAKER_04

But then mom was like, we need to just ask someone. I was like, there's literally zero chance that these kids are gonna know what the hell Passover is. What the Gefilter fish is? She was like, Oh, if it's the cracker, it's in the cracker aisle. I was like, it's not gonna be in the cracker aisle.

SPEAKER_02

And that that's when I was like, oh boy, Sarah called this one. I wanted to. No, I was like, Oh, she was fine.

SPEAKER_04

I was like, there's no way I really missed out on this. Oh my god. Yeah, it was great. No, and then we were like, I was like, do you want me to spell matza? Because it's not like a phonetic word. And then how'd you spell it? Because there are a lot of different ways to spell it. M-A-T-Z-O-H.

SPEAKER_00

That's one way. What's another way? M-A-T-Z-A.

SPEAKER_04

I feel like Okay, yeah. Yeah. What's another way? Oh, I don't know. I I'm a bad speller, so I'm just curious what you how you would spell it. Anyway, anyway. We found it. Did you find it? Okay, great. It was on the aisle that it's always on. And I don't know how we else.

SPEAKER_02

And we we went, we were like, uh, we've got to be.

SPEAKER_04

And then we went there, and then we didn't get anything.

SPEAKER_00

We didn't give anything.

SPEAKER_04

Because we had all the things.

SPEAKER_00

We were like, yeah, it's like a thought I actually donate about the arm or couple to fish, but those Jordan Almonds look sick.

SPEAKER_04

They do always have Jordan Almonds in the Jewish section for some reason, and they look very good. Well, they're all probably 12 years old. Totally. They really expanded. Chances of those being actually good. Yeah, the almonds are just like so.

SPEAKER_02

I can't eat like really hard.

SPEAKER_04

I crack a filling.

SPEAKER_02

I crack a filling tooth.

SPEAKER_04

The whole thing will fall right out.

SPEAKER_00

$7,000 later.

SPEAKER_04

I was really disturbed. I went to because you know, like there's a certain point in pregnancy that they say go get, you know, go to the dentist because your teeth can fall out. Fall out? Yeah. Because if you don't get enough calcium, like your baby, what I have learned from pregnancy is bleaches, it gets everything. It is really actually quite efficient at getting what it needs. And if that means taking calcium from your bones and teeth, and the combination of that with relaxing is Sarah's been tootin'.

SPEAKER_00

Did you hear her fart? Uh when we were sitting at the table, that's what we were cracking up. It was really funny. All that relaxing, just your little sphincter is just like gave up.

SPEAKER_04

Oh my god. Yeah, you're so funny. Well, pregnancy does sound really fun. So I went to the dentist and then they went. Um they love having spongy teeth. They did a double double layer the lead thing on top of me. And then gave me an x-ray from my neck up because I was having some like pain in my teeth. And then he was like, Oh, well, once you once you have this baby, you need to come back in because we have to start replacing a lot of your fillings. And he was like, Why? What? Because I'm at the age now where then now like you have to get fillings replaced. Really? Mm-hmm. Yeah, maybe that actually made me feel old. I guess I didn't realize that when you get a filling, you then have to get it replaced. Eventually. Yeah, because sometimes they'll grow and like if it gets too close to a nerve and then your teeth grow? Wait, what's growing? The filling. Or the cavity, sorry.

SPEAKER_02

Oh yeah, the filling.

SPEAKER_04

Filling.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Um what kind do you have amalgam? Do you have you don't have the ones because some of the ones in my time. In the 50s, they had something in the 50s.

SPEAKER_00

Mercury.

SPEAKER_04

No, they're not giving me a fucking filling full of mercury, mom. That one dentists are. The one bad terrible move that you guys made. The smoker. Yeah, he'd just go smoke a cigarette and then come back in and just breathe into our mouth.

SPEAKER_02

He was very nice. Oops.

SPEAKER_00

The chances of him listening to the podcast are zero to none.

SPEAKER_04

Sorry, he was a bad dentist. Not great. We all had to get work done after the work we did. So much.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Anyway.

SPEAKER_02

Anywho.

SPEAKER_04

Um, any last little tidbits that you'd like to speak or share before we walk off.

SPEAKER_02

Thank you for um having me.

SPEAKER_00

I guess I had you. Is profound.

SPEAKER_04

I'm excited to watch you be floppy. Flopsy.

SPEAKER_00

I can't wait to see you flopsy around. Well, you've seen it. So there's more to come. She's gonna be flopsy in a everywhere.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, what I was gonna say, and this is oh, sorry. No, I want to hear Um, I feel like the baby is didn't I or maybe I did say this. The baby is gonna say who we're what our names are gonna say. You did say that. Okay.

SPEAKER_04

No. We're gonna say that's flopsy, call her flopsy.

SPEAKER_02

Flop, flap, flap, flap, flap, fap, flap.

SPEAKER_04

Well, hopefully it doesn't just say fap, fap, fap, fap. On that note. Alright, you wanna log off here? Uh yeah. Uh thing specialized. No, that's it's fun to have it's fun to have another generation on the pad. Sorry, we didn't talk about very many bike things. There's not much going on in the bikosphere. We have I mean, yeah. Just Flanders. I can just hear your microphone. Yeah. There you go. Um, okay, cool. We good to wrap. Yeah. Get to those matzo balls. I'm starving. Matzo ballin'. Um, thank you so much to Specialize. I feel like I did a very big ad in the beginning of this, but they're uh a special sponsor of mine, and they make very great bicycles that you can go check out on their website. I don't know. I feel like everyone listening to this podcast probably already knows what specialized. Probably already has a specialized bike. Yeah, yep. Yeah, totally. Um, but thank you so much again for your support and uh with Pace Productions mainly Lily for sifting through all of the stuff that we give her. Thanks. Thanks, Lily. And I can't wait to have Lily mic'd up on one of these episodes.

SPEAKER_01

One of these days will be so good.

SPEAKER_04

So good. Um, yeah, thanks. Thanks, ma'am. Bye. I love you. Let's go.

SPEAKER_00

Thank you, girls.