Western States, Hannah’s shin, and Sarah’s glottis

This week, Sarah and Hannah talk about the historic Western States ultrarace in which multiple course records were made, and why all the World Cup soccer players are wearing sports bras. Sarah talks about her last birthing class, a turbo-charged e-bike ride, and swamping, again, and Hannah reminisces about her unhinged 16th birthday party. Plus: unicycles, ‘Yesteryear,’ hospital pre-rides, active labor crafts, and puffy glue. 

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Welcome to Talking Over You with Sarah Sturm and Hannah Sturm. Here we go. If you're gonna be an asshole, at least be funny. At least be funny. I thought it was a man coon. We need to have like a real athlete on here. It makes me consider different careers every time I have to pee in my chamois. Can you see my my injury from today? Oh my god. Hannah was worried about not having anything to talk about on the podcast, and then she hit her shin and blasted my shit. Look at it. Look at it. And now it's like the tiniest little fucking thing. It's still voting. Oh my god, she's brought it up so many times. Just wait until you have a fucking kid. I'm just trying to get you all trained up. Because it's gonna be having a kid's gonna make you tougher. No, it's gonna it might make you a little softer, which would be ideal. No, that does hurt. Wow, that was good, Sarah. No, it does hurt. I mean, listen, I just learned what I'm gonna have to do in five short weeks, if not less, maybe a little more. And I'm having a hard time having sympathy for shit. I'm not pregnant. I didn't choose this. I didn't choose to blast my shin on your bed frame. You put it there, and I hit it so hard. We do actually have so much to get to. Do we? Well, there was a lot of gosh, I watched so much athletic things this weekend. Did you really? No, not really, actually. I just like Saturday afternoon, there was a lot on. I was like watching the Western States live stream. That's the running race. Running one that our our girl Abby was in, defending champ. Yeah. Tough role to be in. Yeah. Um, and then I was watching that on my phone, and then we had the first, potentially only World Cup game we'll watch, Colombia versus Portugal. Oh. Which was actually crazy. Was it? I mean, I just haven't watched soccer in a little bit, and it was pretty entertaining. Welcome to my house. We watched all of the soccer. I usually it's constant. Hannah, we grew up playing soccer, and I I just remember I didn't even like watching it when I was playing it. Yeah. I just like don't I just get stuck on so many things. My only um talking point for this week, really, is uh I was watching it and it was I can't remember which game it was, but they were in like white jerseys and and they were all like sweating through their jerseys, and I was looking at all these players and I was like, Did you see their nipples? No, I was like, are they wearing sports bras? They are, they do. It's like a heart rate thing. Yes, I had to look it up. I was like, what? I know it's so weird. The refs are wearing them? I was like, Oh my god. Everyone holding their pecs in? Like, what's what's happening here? I don't know why they can't just do a heart rate strap. I also had that thought. Why they don't just I mean, I guess sports bras are so down. I don't, yeah, but they are like full-on bras. They're weren't they're all wearing sports bras. Also, do they need that data while they're I don't know while they're playing soccer? I don't know. I this is enough. Contact sports they need it for their Strava. Right? That would just be an orange blob. Yeah. But I bet it actually would be pretty crazy to see. Like see, that's funny that you think that data would be interesting. Yeah. Like once, you know? The game is very interesting. Is it? Strava's like the game within the game. Oh, actually, I have some really good news about Strava. What? So our girl, Lonnie Bones, uh-huh, is full-on famous now. I didn't like it. It's awesome. She has one video that has like seven million views. Cool. And she's just funny as fuck. Anyway, I DM'd her and I was like, I feel like it's time to have you on the pod. Oh. And she was like, Oh my god, I would laugh, I would love it. And so we're trying to get her in. So I was like, let me know. I was like so bummed that I missed her when she was in Durango. Yeah. She just got married this weekend. Congrats. Congrats. Um, but she's gonna come back and I hope I'm not in labor. But I would love yeah, is she coming back? Uh some uh mid to late anyway. I don't want to like, yeah, sure. We're gonna have her on the pod. At some point. Yes. Pre-baby or post-baby. Three guests lined up. Yeah, what I meant to ask you about before we started recording. Really excited. What our schedule is. Yeah, I'll fill you in afterwards because I don't want to give it away. Oh, okay. Yeah, give it a wee, give it a wee, give it a wee now. That almost sounded right. Yeah. Okay. So back to Western. Okay. So I was watching the soccer, Dylan was watching the soccer game. Uh-huh. Um, and and that actually was pretty interesting because it was like one team almost scored, the other team would take it and almost score. And then it was just like back, it was sort of like tennis. Actually, it was like back and forth. Well, there's usually like a lot more faffing about in the middle. And a lot of falling and a lot of crying. Yeah. One guy fell. I was watching half of a second of a game with Jeff, and this guy was on the ground rolling around, but he was bald. And the way that his head was wrinkled, I was like, it looks like a soccer ball. Missed opportunity. Yeah, it was to paint that sucker. It just like the wrinkles. Have you seen the clips of the Norwegian guy? Holland or whatever. He has like a blonde ponytail uh bun thing. Yes, I was actually just to like just. He's kind of scary. He's kind of scary. Um, I saw a video of him like mowing down on like a New York deli like uh sam sandwich. Sure. Whatever. And I was like, I had to turn, I was grossed out watching him eat food. I don't know, there was something like super icky about watching him um mow down on some food. Yeah, I'm grossed out by everyone eating food these days. Really? Or Dylan. We like actually had a chill morning where both of us got to have coffee in bed, not just me. Um, which I actually didn't like in retrospect because I could you're like, ah better when it was just me. Hear him gulping. And I was like, wow, that was a big sip of coffee. And that's not possible aggressive at all. I was trying so hard. Yeah, we have okay, yeah. We've been sleeping in different in separate rooms lately. Because it's yeah, yeah. Well, it's so hot or so hot because we can't have our windows open because there's so much smoke. Oh, really? Well, it it just like last night it definitely looked like it was gonna get real smoky. What do you mean, weird? There's so many fires. No, I weird, though, because you guys aren't getting any. Uh we only got a little bit last night.

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I know. I'm so sad about those. That thing is just swelling up as we speak. Look at the profile of it. Look at it. Wow, if you're not tuning into our live pod or our visual podcast, you're gonna want to for this episode. Bruising as we talk. Our little delicate peach. Okay, back to Western States. It was really funny to watch. I've never watched a live stream of a running race or anything else other than cycling. Um, and I have to say, it was really well done. Good job, Corinne. Um, she was the female uh announcer, and she did a really good job. Awesome. She's also the one who put us in touch with Abby Hall, who is the defending champ. Anyway, she did a great job. Uh I watched a lot of it. And it my take is that it's slower gravel racing. I mean, in that not in that it's not exciting, because it was, and it was like really interesting for me because I was like, wow, this is a totally it's like feels familiar, but it's very different uh type of endurance sport. Like everything is just you're running, so it's slower. Um, and it takes longer. But it was really cool to see these athletes. How many miles is this, right? It's a hundred miles. Okay. It's from like uh Olympic Valley um to Auburn, California. Okay. Both in California. And it didn't seem like it was too it's really fascinating. So like in running, you don't get the same aerodynamic advantage um from drafting, and so you're allowed to have pacers, right? Which I think is really funny because like it was it was really I I okay, runners, maybe turn off the podcast because this is just gonna piss you off. Because I don't actually know very much, and we need to have another runner on. So like I just know people are gonna be like, no, that's wrong. No, you should have said this. So this is my very vague understanding after watching one live stream and following some runners. You can have pacers at certain races, but only there's like a lot of rules around when they can start with or like when they enter the scene. Yeah. Um, but anyway, you I was like watching them come through these feed zones, and the runner, it was hard to tell which runner was racing because they would have an entourage of people. Like there was like a film crew that like everyone's like running next to them, like filming with a thing, filming with another thing. There's like people that look like they're actually running, and then there's the racer, and they're like clearing the way. There's like all these people on the sidelines. It it's yeah, they need to be wearing helmets. That's a pretty good indicator of who's racing, you know. Like you can usually tell, like, oh, that person's racing and that's their crew, because that one has a helmet on and that one doesn't. But that's pretty much it. I appreciate Ncara, she's a our Durango girl. Um, she did great. Uh, I appreciate her crew because they all were in pink, which is really funny. Um, because my friend Maggie has told me in the past she hates wearing pink and she was one of the crew. So I just saw all these photos of her in pink, which was really funny. But yeah, it was like it just seems like it would be really distracting too. Like I don't know, to just have that would make a race. Like that would Oh, I think it totally changes the game, like mentally for sure. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I I'm so curious what runners I I mean it's like having your friends out there, but like there's like this whole coordinated running crew thing. It feels like a lot of pressure, too. I'm sure it's also like a safety thing for these like super long races that like you have somebody who's like accountable and after watching the hard rock last year and that guy's band-aids. What? I think I talked about this on the podcast. What band-aids? Maybe it was on Payson's podcast. I don't remember. Did you just puke a little bit? Having really bad heartburn. Gross. Those things are delicious. I had one, I was like, that's candy. This bitch is lying. Or Pepto. The chalkiness grosses me out, so I have to get the chewable candy. Um I watched Hard Rock last year, which is a hundred miler in the San Juan Mountains. Um, and so we made a camping trip of it, and we the the number of hours these people are out there is insane. Yeah. Um, we had time to like watch Courtney come through, the sunset, we slept, had dinner, like, had dinner, slept, had breakfast the next morning, and then at the same place where we had seen Courtney the day before, we watched some more people come through. Damn. And this guy, I mean, these people were not the finishers. Like they, I don't I think they like hit the next time cutoff. But uh, this one guy was running. I don't think he was even lucid at this point. Like he was just dead eyes walking. It's hiking. Yeah. The hard rock. Yeah, is what I could tell. He was hiking in front of his pacer, and he had these two huge band-aids that had flopped down on the backs of his thighs and were just waggling about and his pacer was behind him, and I was like, Rip those off. Rip them off. Ew, band-aids? Or were they just like no, they were band-aids because there was uh uh okay. All right, um, what else did you see? Anyway, the funniest thing is that there was this Italian guy who was leading, and then he was in second to this Frenchman who ended up winning. So congrats, Vincent Bouillard. Um, first and first guy under 14 hours ever, which is crazy. But second place, Poopy! His name's name is Poopy. Spell it. P-U, P-P-I. That's puppy. Nope, it was poopy. Ah, that's puppy. I the only reason I listened to the entire stream. You're just waiting for them to say poopy again. Said it a thousand times. Drinking game. And then the comments, I like I don't know if they were as bad as unbound. I think they were a lot more mild, but there was some shit talking for sure. But a lot of it was about poopy. Go poopy, poopy pants. I feel like even if like that is the correct pronunciation, you just go, it's puppy. It's puppy. No, it was funny that it was poopy. Um, and at one point, there was a there was an ace highbrow uh podcast. I know. Yeah. Wow, we're really giving some deep honestly, it was really entertaining. Oh my god, Hannah, the shin. Look at it. I mean, shin stuff does hurt. It is shiny. Yeah, because it's swelling so quickly. Yeah. We're literally talking about athletes who ran a hundred miles on Saturday. Listen, I didn't choose, I didn't choose that. I also didn't choose to run into your thing. Anyway, there's this aid station called I'm almost called it poopy point. What's it called? Pointed rock. And they said poopy into pointed rock. I've had that happen before. You ever been backpacking? Poopy into a pointed rock. Painted the rock. But then anyway, so congrats to Boleyard and Poopy. Um, and then I'll get to Jen later, the woman who won. There was a couple things, and I'm like, there's the equivalent in cycling that's just as annoying. And I felt like I was seeing little bits and bobs of the satisfy running cult thing. Uh, that annoying internet thing. There was one aid station that had all of the the volunteers working were in these like, and they were all men, they were in these like gray cropped cotton tees that were like fringe, you know, the like those like 90s style, like they just cut up, yeah. Yeah, and like tie little knots. Uh-huh. And the live stream was like every comment was like, where can I buy a shirt? Where can I buy that crop top? Where can I get that crop? And I was like, I think it's done. I think we're done with with marketing. It's like, also make it. Have you ever looked at it? I know that's why I was just before. I was like, if this is a satisfy shirt, it's gonna be $200. And I was like, uh, we're done. Hang out with some high school girls sometime. Actually, probably don't. Probably not. No, yeah, don't. Don't do that. I'm ready for puff paint to come back. Uh remember how we puff painted everything? Yeah. Everything had puff paint on it. I remember going to like all these baby showers and we would puff paint baby showers? Baby onesies. Oh. Which is funny because the thing that everyone knows about puff paint, when you actually wear the shirt, it's sharp. Yeah, there's some points on it. Yeah. If you're not careful, if you yeah, if you haven't rounded things out, it's a little pointy. Yeah, totally. Yeah, I feel like for was it my 16th birthday that we did puff paint panties? Right? I don't remember that. You don't? That was the that was the birthday party. I think I dressed up like Slick Rick. Um we did like come as your favorite like musical artist, you know? Wow, honey, I don't remember any of that. You made that cake, that bloods and crips cake. What? That was my 16th birthday party. You don't remember that? Oh my god, I don't remember any of that. I got pictures for you. It was great. And then we made puff puff paint panties. I feel like I remember the ones that you did. What did I do? Uh, this was while we were in Capoeira, so I think you did some kind of like Brazilian flag something or other. Wow. Oh I remember the panties. Yeah. They were like a like a uh like almost like a tidy whitey style. But they were like little buttons. Yeah, totally. Like the bathing suit I just bought. Exactly. Exactly, but with puff paint. Oh, speak of there we go. That's what we can do for your arts and crafts. Oh, my labor crafts. Yeah, Sarah called me this weekend and was like, you I'm I mean, I imagine Oh no, we can get into it. Well, we I do want to talk about the winner of More Sports. Oh, can we sub can we just like supplement it with like a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of two more things from Western. Okay, let's hear it. Um and then we'll get to the other stuff. Um but anyway, so I'm watching the finish is exciting. I mean, the the races, the like top three on like men and women's the times were not separate separated by that much. I'm gonna ask you if they have uh separate starts. Men and women have separate starts. I think they all start together. I didn't watch the start. Okay. But I believe because there's no drafting advantage. Oh, sure. I think they all start together. You have one curl that's like Is it in the way? There. Got it. Thank you for saying something. Because I I would look at it and it would drive me crazy. I know. Well, you've been looking at it and it's driving you crazy. No, I just I knew that you would see it's like I wish you had stopped me in that one episode that we had that one reel go viral, and I look like you dragged me out of the fucking hospital, the insane person hospital. Which one? And uh rolled me down the street into the podcast. What did you want me to do differently? Because I thought you looked cute. Which one? The most recent one where I was wearing the maternity or the patterned shirt. What do you want me to stop it and say, actually, you need to change shirts? Yeah. I thought it looked cute. I didn't. Okay, we were uh overalls are crooked. Thank you. There okay, finish about the running. So anyway, these runners come into the finish and they finish on the track in Auburn, and um there's like the entourage again, like the pacers, the video people, people like like crab running next to them to try and get the footage. It's really a funny scene. And uh, and they hit the track, and the men one of the men's finishers, um, there was a guy just standing there on a one-wheel going next to him. Do you know what a one wheel is? It was like stupid little It's one big fat, it looks like a tractor wheel. And there's two boards on either side, and he was just standing there. And I think I'm a little bit turned off by those because there's a guy in Durango that any Durango listener, I'm sorry, you're gonna know who I'm talking shit on. But he definitely lives up the street from us. There's a guy, a new a guy in Mancus. And he wears a crop dog. Oh, really? Uh now I've just outed him. So well, there's a guy in Mancus who just got one of those, and so I've been watching, like, and he goes by my house and also the shots. And I just am like, first of all, he's not wearing a helmet, which seems absolutely gonna say underwear for some reason. He might not be. I don't know. But I've watched him just get he started out real shaky and he's um still pretty fucking shaky. And as yeah, aside from not wearing a helmet, he's actually hasn't improved at all. Oh, it's great. This is my argument with like we were in Moab one time, and there's like there was a a unicycle convention. Cool. That sounds fun. Does it to watch? They were on the trails, and it actually was really annoying. Uh, but we were like, oh, that's cool, because this is like objectively harder than mountain biking. We were on like Ahab, which is a really technical trail, and they were climbing, and there was there were so many of them, and it was like, okay, a bit of annoying, but whatever. This is a spectacle. And we like were like, hey, can we get around? Like it's single track, and uh just like whenever you can. Yeah, wow. They were like mountain bike unicycles, and I'm just gonna have you use your imagination, the types of people. I already know them. I went to high school with them, they were in the band. They play the tuba. I know exactly who it is. Okay, I was like enthralled and I was so pumped, and I was like, Good job, you're killing it. Like, let me know when we can get around you. And most of them were really rude. Really? And they they had okay, I kind of understand because like they probably just get teased all the freaking time, but they were like shaming us for being on normal mountain bikes. They're like, Oh, we got some handle bars. Yeah, they're like, we got some two-wheelers back. That's so funny. Some two-wheelers, losers, losers. Look at these idiots up to handle out. That's but my thing with unicycling is that it is, and especially on these mountain bike trails, it's so hard. It's so much harder than mountain biking. Yeah. And yet, it still doesn't look that cool. No, I've never seen anyone on a unicycle where I'm like, that person looks confident. They aren't gonna fall immediately. Like they aren't gonna fall. Or they're doing these huge drops and they just land and then just like smack onto the seat, and the seats look super weird. They're doing big drops on your unicycle? You should look that shit up. Ugh. It's kind of how it feels like that. What shoes are they wearing? You know, I didn't look. Toe shoes. Definitely like Vibram, Vibram, some of them for sure. Five toes. What are they called? Moab finger shoes. No. Toe shoes. Yeah. Whatever. Yeah, I'd be curious. Anyway. And honestly, they probably are. You know, I wonder how you get there. I wonder how you're like, you know, two wheel. Not for me. One wheel. That's where I want to go. That's where they want to go. Where are their arms? Are they holding onto the crotch? Because I feel like they hold on to the crotch or they have their arms out here. You know, it's like a it's a balancing thing, but it's down here. I'm gonna throw up. I had so much watermelon before this. Damn, you put it away when I got here, dude. I ate it all. You put it away. Put it away. Oh my god, just watching you do this. I think I think the one wheel and the unicycle might be your jam, Han. Oh, yeah, because my balance is exceptional. Because I do well with two wheels. I feel like I would fall over on a tr on a tricycle. Those things actually do tip quickly. Tricycles? Yeah. Yeah. Like if you take corner with too much speed.

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Anyway. Okay, so the women's winner, Jen uh Lichter. Amazing. It was insane to watch her run. She's this like 30 30-year-old, 31-year-old from Missoula. She has a crazy story though. Yeah. So she was a Colombian um orphan. Uh, because her family was like torn apart by the drug cartel. Whoa. Yeah. And um yeah, crazy. So she was in and out of orphanages when she was very young. Her and her brother got adopted by this family. Um, and she struggled with some eating disorder stuff when she was very, very young. Um, but I mean, crazy. Like her dad was shot and killed in this neighborhood. Her mom was dealing with substance. Anyway, so wild. And she just set a record at her first ever. This was her debut, right? Yes, it was her first ever time running a hundred miles, and she beat Courtney DeWalter's record by 55 seconds. Wow, it was cool. That's awesome. It was super, super cool to watch. That's a big deal for her. Yeah, yeah, cool. Good for her. What's her name? Say it again. Jen, uh, Jen uh either licked her or liked her. L-I-C-H-T-E-R. Got it. Yeah. She ran in 15 hours and 28 minutes. How did Abby do? Okay, I think Abby, she when I was watching, she was in like she was in fifth and Tara was in sixth. And then I think she looked really, really limpy in one of the aid stations. And um our girl Katie, she's uh a listener, and she was gonna be one of she's like one of the top ultra runners in the world. She's also injured, but she was part of Abby's crew. Okay. And um, I just saw her post today saying she was really proud of Abby for finishing a really hard day. So I think I don't know, I think a lot there's a lot of DNFs in these races, and it looks like Abby, I didn't look up the results, sorry, I should have, but I think she finished. It just was a really hard day. Yeah. Okay. Um, but anyone who finishes running a hundred miles, I just simply you don't even get to coast downhill. Like the finish they were saying is like, and now the runners hit the white bridge into the Auburn track and it's all downhill. And I was thinking, downhill running is sucks the most. That's arguable, but yeah, I mean it's I would say it's harder than downhills riding riding your bike because you just can't just coast in. Yeah. Anyway, good job for anyone who attempted or finished or crude or did any of the watched it, you know. Watched a lot. It was a lot to balance. I was Dylan was Did you hear that? Yeah, I did. Do you need to go get an antacid? Um if you puke, I'm not. I'm never doing the podcast again. What's the fear of throwing up? I think our family has it. I have such a bad it's like a thing. Ugh, I have it so bad. I know. If I'm in like the vicinity of somebody puking, I'll have like the shakes the rest of the day. You want to know a crazy stat? I learned about birth. You're gonna puke. 50% puke pukes. And so I was in the birthing class with one other girl. I don't think I want to be there anymore. I was feeling good about helping you out, but now I'm thinking I don't want to go. I think I can hold off. Anyway, I could just picture you just spitting. Ugh. Yeah, I can see you doing it. Can I tell you about my dreams that I had? Wow, we're really digging deep into the bucket for content. And it's gonna be really short. The first one was fucked up, Sarah. It was I was watching you race, and this was like you were pregnant, and it was Why am I listening to this? I well Why are you sharing this? It was fucked up. You crashed. Um my god. And you were like rolling down the like there were like stairs, and your helmet came off, and I was watching this. So anyway, I woke up yesterday morning and I was feeling really freaked about it. And so I tried calling you, and then you just didn't answer, and I looked at your location. You were at home, and I was like, Okay, bitch. Oh, I saw your call. No. Yeah. Anyway, so that was one, and it was awful. And I was like, okay, she's fine. What day? Saturday? It was yesterday, yeah. That's Sunday. It was Sunday. It doesn't matter. Oh, I was on the phone with Danny. Oh, okay, great. Um, and then the other one, that was the sad one. Um, that was I like I thought about it the whole the whole day. It was it was really bad. So I just had to say it so now everyone else can think about it. Wow, hand thanks. I feel so much better getting that off my chest. And then the other, I had this dream that I was pregnant. Um, and I was like, oh my gosh, like you can, I could like feel the like baby moving, and I was like, Jeff, feel it. Um, and then I woke up and I was like, that was weird. I think I just have to fart. Like, I think, you know how you like incorporate sounds into like your dreams. I think my stomach was just like and I was like, it's a baby, but I was just pregnant with a fart. I'm so glad you shared that. It just it didn't have any more, it wasn't that deep. Just gas. Honestly, that's what like kicks in your first and second trimester feel like it's just like, is it a gas bubble or is it a kick? It's like these little flutters. Crazy. And now you can definitely discern gas. I was gonna say kicking. Oh, because it's it's painful, full-on baby. Yeah, yeah. A roll. Um, well, maybe that's a good uh segue. Segway, thank you. A one a one-wheel. Why do they name those things Segways? Oh, I don't know. Those are different though. I know, those have handles. Those are one wheels with with handlebars. Yeah, it's like the ones that the cops ride. Yeah. Have you seen the one the like clips of those going like rogue and people like they get stuck in like spinning? Death spiral. Yeah, people were like getting them for their kids, and then their kids would like get tossed off, and then they would not be able to catch them because they were just spinning. No, I haven't seen that. Yeah. Anyway, um, we finished our birth class. Oh, yeah, tell me about it. Well, it was really, really funny. Um, it was a pretty tame class because all we were talking about, I'm trying to remember. I have notes in this exact notebook. Um, like we've gotten into some the nitty-gritty. The nitty-gritty. Um, oh, we were talking about like once the baby's born, like all the vaccinations you can get, bathing, the fourth trimester, uh, nursing, that sort of thing, circumcision, all that. But anyway, so I'm sitting in class and obviously we're making this documentary series, and so we're waiting. I'm sorry, I'd like to just go back and have Lily edit out the mmm I just made after you said circumcision. I was more like, mmm, that's a big decision. It sounded yummy. I just would like to Lily cut that. It was really weird. I didn't even clock it. I know, but I didn't. I was like, ugh, fuck, that sounds so weird. I really was like, that's a big decision, but it came out as mmm, mm-mm. Okay, keep going. So anyway, this girl really embarrassed by that. This young girl who works at a local bike shop in town, she's like really talented videographer. She was hired to shoot the the birthing class, like Dylan and I at this class. So this poor girl shows up and she had to film this class. She's 19. Oh. I'm just learning all of this for the first time. And I talked to her. I like I had to sort of put it out of my mind because I was like, I need to actually like focus on the information that's been given to us, not the like I was like trying, I was experiencing it through her girl. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, oh my god, I this is really funny. Cause I hadn't even met her either. Like, she was a new person, she just like was tasked with filming this thing. Anyway, so we like go through this class, and I was like, oh, phew. It was like a pretty tame class. And I like go up to her, talk to her afterwards, and she was like, That was wild, man. She's like, she has like this, you know. Anyway, she was awesome, but she was like, I've never heard anything like that. When and I was like, You even missed the circumcision part. But they were just talking about nursing, and she was like, I just like she was blown away. I was like, wow, what an education for a 19-year-old. I was like, Well, listen, I birth control. Yeah, totally that's what like if you could just give kids the actual information of what your body has to go through and like all the things, like make them take a birth class. Birth control. Truly information is birth control. Absolutely. I think I've de-influenced more people in pregnancy than I don't think so. I do think I was told that yeah, but at this point, I mean, I've I don't it's not like you've had like a crazy hard pregnancy. The ones that like really de-influenced people are the ones people who are like so sick for the whole thing. No, I think I've I've de-influenced in that I've shared a lot of like I'm having an easy one and still this is what I'm learning, this is what I'm going through, this is yeah, all the things. Wait, so what did you learn in your um well I had it was a big week. Oh my god, it was a big week. It was really funny. Uh it was a big week for our studio getting built. It was also we had it was a a birth and building intensive week in that Dylan was extremely occupied, you know, putting a subfloor in, and we had all of our friends help us carry these heavy ass walls. Anyway, and then I was, you know, meeting with our doula at our house, and we're like talking about like what birthing position I want to be in, and I'm watching like Samson like shoveling gravel, and like Dylan and Beckett are like cutting wood and hammering things in the backyard. So there's like a whole scene of them going on in the background, and then like Kelly and I are like talking about. What are the different birthing positions? Well, so a lot. There's a lot of different ones, like you could be in the water, you can be squatting, you can be in the bed on your back, you can be on hands and knees. All fours, all fours, and I was like kind of laughing about that, and I was like, Will you cover? And Dylan had to like come in and uh get something at that point. And so Dylan, I think, was in the house when we were talking about it, and I was like, Can you cover my butt if I'm in that position? And Dylan was like, I hate to break it to you, but he was like, I've seen your butthole before. And then I was thinking, what if we just get like a little jewel like those cats? Well, somehow I feel like okay, this is where my fucked up brain goes. Like the way to attach it would really try to probably be a butt plug. And at that point, you're pushing really if you're pushing really hard, you're gonna push it right out. It's gonna pop something in the eye. I think at that point it's a liability. You can't do that. That's exactly what that looks like. We could put a jeweled butt plug in here. Or we could like do like a belly chain. We could do like a belly chain and have it dangling from the chain. I think we could make that work. We could be a craft. So yeah, Sarah called me and was like, I think I want to do like, like when I'm like in the early stages of labor, will you come over and let's do like a craft project or something to like try and distract me and it's something like that. Labor can last a long time. Yeah, and you want to do as much of that at home. And so now I've just been like, a craft project. I'm honestly really excited. I've been pretty and now I'm thinking maybe we do a little butt jewel. A little belly chain with a butt jewel. We can decorate our own butt plugs. And then wear puff pants. We can decorate them with puff paint. We could do it. We're not gonna ever have a non-R-rated podcast. No. No, I think our first one, I think our first one was it. So that was it. That was it. Hope you guys Do you have any craft ideas that you want to do? I was just thinking my nails. Well, but I also want you to like be, you want to paint your own nails? Like I want you to be distracted doing something too. It would be fun to do some like prints. Oh, we could do some yeah, print making. Yeah. Feels like a wild step going from bejeweled plus. Yeah, those are a little tame. Kind of boring, but I was hoping you'd have a better idea. Um I don't know. No, I'm not crafty mind. Don't worry, I'll bring everything over. I'll have everything in my go bag. Anna has her hospital bag. You're like the Miss Frazzle or Frizzle or whatever. I'm like a clown. It's just like a bag full of like googly eyes. Yeah, coronavirus. Could you imagine a googly eye butt plug? Oh my god.

unknown 35:58

The third eye.

SPEAKER_00 35:58

I'm just watching you. Okay. I think I think we're gonna have to make it funny because it sounds pretty stressful. Yeah, no, we'll have to make it funny. Yeah. I wonder if we could decorate your little I think it'll be funny for some of it, and then there'll be a point where like it's really bad and painful. Yeah. And then you and then you wave goodbye. Have so much fun. Yeah. So that's what we talked about. There is oh, we do have um so there's so many decisions you have to make. Like when you get into the hospital, do you want to get measured? Like your cervix. It's so good. I don't think that that's how that word should be pronounced still. I I have to think about it every time. You think it should be pronounced cervex? Okay. How is it spelled? I feel like there's an easy way to do it. I'm just saying, my it's stuck in my brain, it's cervex. I know, you know what's fucked up though, is now I get I get stuck on it sometimes and I'm like, it's cervix. And I hate that. And that's your fault. So if I sound like an idiot, it's because of you.

unknown 37:08

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 37:09

Cervix. So you can just this is how mental the whole birth laboring process can be. Obviously, the goal is 10 centimeters. Not obviously, the goal is 10 centimeters, and you don't want to get to the hospital too early because then you're just stuck there laboring in a room that is a hospital room instead of like at your house. Anyway, it can take anywhere from one to 30 hours to get to 10 centimeters. And Maidula is uh this woman who's also an endurance athlete, so sh it's really helpful. So she puts it into perspective of endurance racing, and she's like, You have to prepare for it, like it's gonna be either a sprint or the longest ultra of your life. Yeah, you got a rig to flip. You got a rig to flip, truly. Which is funny that anyone has a birth plan. Like they make you, like, they don't make you, but they re uh recommend that you put a birth plan together, to which I say, why? No one seems to follow their birth plan. Yeah, I wonder if it's just solely to like ease your anxiety about it, to be like, I've got a plan, this is how it's gonna go. Because there have been like these funny parallels to racing. Like we toured the birth center as a as a group, and it felt very much like showing up early to like pre-ride the course. Just pre-riding the hospital. And then, you know, my nutritionist Kyla, she and I are putting together a fueling plan. Wow. This is a race. This is a race, and you don't know where the finish line is. Well, you do know where the finish line is. It's that you have a baby. Well, sure. Or you guessed it. You know what is a finish line. Yeah. But you don't know how long it's gonna take. Yeah. Yeah, it's a mystery race. It is a mystery race. Could you imagine if that was a thing where it was like, okay, you start this race and you don't know how long I feel like I would be really good at that. Yeah, you would be. I'd be terrible. Yeah. A lot of the I think a lot of the women I race against would be bad at that. Yeah, not knowing. Well then you might be really good at this. Could be. Yeah. Yeah. I think the the tough thing for me is like, uh, when you're laboring at home, you don't get to like, ow, uh, feel the baby stops moving as much when you're in labor, which makes sense because you're you're contract like your muscles are pushing it into place. Crazy. Um and so like not knowing if it's doing okay. But anyway, so the mind fuck is that you get to the hospital and you like, you know, we chose to have a doula, so basically a birth coach for people who were like me, you know, nine months ago and didn't know what the fuck a doula was. Yeah. And you know, it's just like another person who's experienced who can help you make these decisions. So she's like, I'm gonna, I think I know how you are, but like I've never seen you give birth before. So like I don't know when your limit, what your limit is, like when anyway, so it's her best guess because she can't like it's not like they just like you spread your legs and they measure you easily either. What? So like the goal is to get like we'll just measure you at home. No. No, the duelists can't. They no, I'm saying no diligence. No, no, no. We could do this. You want to glove up? No, I just look at it and just eyeball it. Where do you think your cervex is? Your what? Oh my god. Oh, I guess that's true. It's like pretty far up, huh? That's the most unhinged thing you've ever said. I just yeah, that's a good point. You also don't so my point is I guess, okay, here's the thing, like, and this is uh uneducated and something I've just never really thought about. Like 10 centimeters, I'm like, I I I guess I wasn't picturing your cervix, I was picturing um your vulva. And like, no, that's just cervix is inside. Yeah, it is inside. I do know that. Yeah. The the the journey is from the cervix out. That's the journey the baby makes. How far is that? I don't know. Like, I think it varies. You're asking me how long my vagina is. How tall is your vagina? Oh my god, there's probably so many listeners that are like, we're really excited for Sarah to finally give birth, so we don't have to hear about this shit. So many vaginas. I don't know. We posted that thing about uh your callous pussy, and so many people were like, more talk about vaginas, please. And I'm like, do not tempt me because this is a health podcast now. Obviously. So it's a okay. So here's here's the here's where you can get kind of in your head about it. Um so I could be laboring at home and like myself, you, Dylan, Doula, everyone's like, she's between uh six to ten centimeters, like for sure. Like, let's bring her into the hospital. How do we know that? Because you your contractions change, like pain. You do and you don't know. That's the thing. You don't know. Oh god, so you could get there and it's like two centimeters. So you could get there and then you can opt out of having them measure you because you're already there. Oh, and so this is when having a doula, it's like a mind think she was like, So what if you get there and they measure you and we're thinking you're eight centimeters and you're four, and it stops you, and then you're mentally in it, and then you like can get out of it and you stop your labor. Whoa, okay. Crazy way you yeah, don't measure me. Don't measure, yeah. Just and that's what we've decided. So you have to make those decisions. That's a that's a really well can't they just measure you and then not tell you? Which, like, yeah, but then also like it's painful. Like, you know, getting an IUD inserted, they're measuring the painful part is the measurement. You know, I don't know if that's the same thing. I don't know if that's true. I mean, I do know I know when your cervix feels like and it is. Yeah, when I when you're measured for an IUD, when they like make sure the thing will fit, that feels like a big cramp and it's ouchy. That's the pain for me, that's the painful part of an IUD. All of it's painful. Um, huh. Wow, yeah. Cervix pain is bad. I mean, I don't know. Damn. Okay, so that's that's one of the decisions. That's one. One. How many you have to decide if you want to get an IV because it's gonna be this thing in your arm that could be like kind of annoying. Annoying. And like the thing that I've learned about labor and birth is like you actually do want as much movement as possible. Like you want to try you're trying a lot of different positions. Kelly was in our house, like standing on our couch, feet on the ch Like she was just it was really, really funny. Like I I cannot wait. Like, she's gonna be great. Yeah, cool. I I love You can like hold on to these like they're these like Mexican birthing blankets that have a name that I can't remember, but they like toss them over a door and you can like hold on and hang. Yeah. Cool. Do you have all that stuff? She does. Okay. She has like fairy lights and oh, hell yeah. Let's decorate it. Except for the birth part. Except for the birth part or the blood part or like emergency part. Yeah, it's how I feel about fishing too. I could like I want to stand in the waiters and like pass, but I don't want to touch the fish. I want to make the flies. No. Yeah. Is that what they're tie the flies? Tie the flies. Uh-huh. Same. But I don't want to catch the fish. And I didn't realize you make tie flies according to different fly types. I'm going to just let you think about what you just said. I didn't know that you make you match them to different flies. You're like, this fly looks like this. I'm going to make this thing look like that. Why is that dumb? Because why is that not dumb? I actually want to hear you argue your point on that. I just thought you go to the fishing store, you pick a fly, and then you can't. You're literally cute. Yeah, I I actually didn't think that they because you don't think any of them were different. I didn't think about it. Oh, okay. And then when I thought about it, I was like, that makes sense. And we got there. And it was slow. And that's okay. We're all different. Thank you. You put your you pulled your bed out. You knew that I was gonna have you tried to move that thing? That thing never gonna move. Our foundation and the bed will be left. Nothing else in our house. After what? After a few years laboring in here? Yeah. Oh gosh, I'm just trying to look. You have to decide if you want to put eye ointment on. On your eyes? I'm like, what happens to you? Do your eyes dilate too? No, to the babies. What kind of eye ointment? I think it's just like an antibiotic cream. I mean, I bet their eyes are all fucked up from all that gunk inside of you. Well, there's like sorry, that was so gross. Oh god. No, there's like, I guess if you have an if you happen to have an STI or an STD and you give birth, then some of them can affect your like you if the baby were born vaginally and you had an STI, it could cause blindness blindness. And so it's like routine practice to like put eye ointment. But you can opt out of that if you're if you're like, I know I don't have an STD. Yeah, it seems like the better thing to do is to just like do a quick test for an STD, you know? I yeah. Like one of the options. Okay. What other what other things do you get to Well, there's all different types of labor. What do you mean? There's early labor, active labor, transition, and then pushing. What's transition? The ouchy one. So that has you are dilated at that point. Um you're tired, you're frustrated, you're doubtful, you're dependent. You want to hydrate. This is when your birth partner needs to take charge. And then still in your birth partner? Uh-huh. Okay. And then it's all about like breathing and did you practice breathing? Not really. What are you doing? What is your breathing like? I don't know. It's just breathing? It's just normal breathing. They don't are you referring to the like Lamaz class? No, you don't really do that anymore. Oh, okay. Well, there's like I wanted to hear you do like a there's like, yes, they actually did talk about breathing. It's called open glottis pushing and closed glottis pushing. And I don't ask me what a glottis is. I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. That's between your cervex and your vulva. And that's your glottis. And that's where you start breathing out of your pussy. Deep breaths? It seemed like everyone else knew what a glottis was. No, I think it's that part in your throat that like the the punching bag. No, that's your uvula. Your mouth vulva. Your throat vulva. No, a glottis, it's the like uh, I think it's the like flap in your um throat cervix. To your throat cervix. Cervix. Um because there's like glottal stops is like a thing in like linguistics and stuff. Okay. Yeah. So you breathe in. Hope you don't have as many have as many boogers as you just did. And then you exhale as you push. Oh, I'm not gonna read this next sentence. Oh, please, for the love of God do. I guess we're already in. We've already said vulva. You what did I write? Bulge a vulva. What? You bulge it? You bulge a vulva. So it's like you're pushing a tape on it. You bulge that's fine. You bulge a vulva? A vulva thing you puck from the air. Just bulge it, bulge it, inhale, belly pig, exhale, belly picker. Belly pick, exhale, belly picker. That is so crazy. Oh my god. I wonder if everyone has this conversation. I don't think anyone has this conversation. And now you don't have to because we have and you're listening to it. If you haven't turned off the podcast by now.

unknown 50:08

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 50:09

Okay. Okay. Not even gonna go into closed glottis pushing. Well, that was just one part of it was open glottis. That was open and then closed. Breathe in, hold, and then push. Chin to chest. Curl around the uterus, make down pressure. Yeah. Big, big old poo-poo. Big poopy. I have heard that it's more similar to pooping than like pushing, like a Kegel. Oh, that reminds me there was also uh steamboat gravel this weekend. Which part reminded you? Because Kegel's won. Keegan knows that we call him Kegel. Every time you say Kegel, I just I'm like Keegan. Oh my god. Uh yeah, Keegan and Sophia won. Oh, did they? Yeah. Whoa, so crazy. What? What? That's so shocking. Uh anyway. Is that part? That's not part of the Grand Prix. No. That's just they did it for fun. Yeah. And money. Um yeah. You have a little tear. You should just like wipe your right eye. There you go. My glottis. Gotcha glottis. Gotcha glottis. Bulge Bulge Volva. Just one. Anyway. Uh, that's all I got. Wow. Well, that's what uh Dylan and I went uh on our first bike ride in a long time together. I think since Traka, actually. Um and you know, I've entered the phase of pregnancy. I'm almost 36 weeks now. Are you really? Yeah. Isn't that like pretty fully cooked? 37 is the big goal at the moment. Well, 40 is ideal. Yeah. Really ideal because I'm going on a trip next week and I'm really nervous. Yeah, but you could 37 is considered term. Sarah, please hold that baby in. I'm gonna try. Please, please hold that baby in. Because I really don't want to cut my trip short. It is about you. Well, Jeff was like, what does she need you there for? I mean, my labor crafts. I know, I know. Well, I mean, technically you guys don't have to be here. I would really like to be here. Yeah, it would be a bummer. I would really like to be here. Well, if it happens, you just Jeff is gonna have to drive home alone and you're gonna have to get on a flight. It's I don't think it's gonna come early. Well, God damn it, Sarah. Why did you fucking say that, you idiot? Oh, that was so dumb. Lily, cut that. Cut that, cut that out. Um so Dylan and I went e-biking together yesterday, which was his idea. And there's only so many e-bike-friendly trails in Durango. So we went on this more technical trail um on Jones. And I realized that we ride e-bikes so differently, which I don't know or well, Dylan realized because he was riding behind me and we're climbing up. And um, I have the Levo R, which is a really great like e-bike for people who like want your e-bike to feel just like a mountain bike, and it does, and it's really fast. And turbo, turbo mode, the fastest setting, is really, really fast. Like it's really scary. Yeah, no. And he ride Dylan rides mo I've never ridden a moto before. Yeah, and you don't need to start when you're 36 weeks pregnant. I felt like that's like a no-duh kind of yeah. Not to Dylan. Ugh. He was like, he was like kind of laughing, and he was like, I just didn't realize people didn't like why would you ride e-bikes if you weren't in turbo? He literally didn't understand. That's so dumb. That's so dumb. He says the guy who had three bars when we started and then rode a dead e-bike at the end. And I was like, maybe if you wrote it on like, you know, auto or eco. Were you also just like, I'm fucking pregnant? I mean, I actually did put it in turbo, it was pretty fun, but it like when you get to like technical sections, it's way different. Oh, yeah, that's scary. And then we met up with Brit, who's like my daredevil friend who's had two kids, and even she was like, Don't put it in turbo. And for Brit to say that, I know, and she dirt bikes. Yeah, that's for real. Don't put it in a turbo. It was just really funny because I was like it's fine, it really is fine. Like, I'm so cautious. I know. Well, you weren't you were doing a whole different thing. Um what? And that so I honestly the e-bike has really I do feel a little bit guilty because like, okay, hear me out. And this is part of it for me that I don't want to be in turbo. Whenever somebody says hear me out, I always think that they're gonna talk about somebody that like like a cartoon character or something that they had a crush on that they'd be like, hear me out. You know, like there's like what? Have you heard that trend? My god, this feels like Kiki and Boo-Boo.

SPEAKER_01 55:00

It's like Kiki and Boo Boo.

SPEAKER_00 55:02

No, there's a a whole trend of like a hot cartoon character where you're like, hear me out, you know? Like this is actually like this is why I think they're hot. So like my hear me out is Stu Pickles from Rugrats. Oh, really? Him? The dad. Yeah, he was like disheveled. Yeah, hear me out. Hear me out guy from Dirty Jobs. I know he's kind of a dick. No, he's my crow. That's an easy hear me out. Yeah, okay. Anyway, that's like basically being like Anthony Bourdain, hear me out. Okay. Trying to think of one. Give me give me a cartoon character. I honestly can't think of any cartoon characters. Okay. Wow, that's fun. That's a fun game with you. Sorry. Okay, tell me your hear me out with your uh well now. I can't remember. Oh, it's probably boring anyway. Oh, I know. There it is. I don't get too many endorphins these days. Just from watermelon. Just from truly, just from watermelon. Yep. And while I love that e-biking makes it so comfortable that I do actually want to like be outside. It's also been like 90 degrees here. Yeah, it's hot. And it's just hot. Um, it's almost a little too easy in that I feel like I don't get any not that I like need a workout, but like there's none of that pushing hard. So like you don't feel it's just a different experience. I know. It's a hard sell to you as the crowd. Yeah, I'm going and Dylan. Maybe you just enjoy being outside. I do, I did, and I had to tell Dylan that because it actually like I was like, go ahead of me and do turbo. Like go turbo boost. Go turbo your little tushy up the freaking hill. Like, I'm just enjoying like being able to climb up this trail that honestly Jones is not ever really that enjoyable because it's always dusty, it's always hot. Anyway, but it was like the closest that I will get to the high country in pregnancy because you can't ride e-bikes up there. Anyway, so I was just simply enjoying being outside. But then I just noticed I wasn't that tired at the end of the day. And I was like, oh. So you haven't you're not tired just from like being pregnant yet? Not really. That was super crazy. That's awesome. I mean, I'm I didn't even I couldn't even fall asleep last night until like 11 30. I read, I'm almost done with yesteryear. Boy. Dang. Crazy, no? I get why people don't like it. Totally. Do you like it or you don't like it? I like it, but I also want another yesteryear to be written about like in the way that I wanted to learn about, like, I wanted to know exactly what like a trad wife in 1855 would be like. Like, I wanted more of like the historical comparison. I do think the people that don't like it thought that did you hear my your glottis? My glottis um thought that it was gonna be more like fantastical. Like there was gonna be like an element of like fantasy in it, and and there isn't, or of like time traveler of like something. See, I wasn't miss me on that, honestly. I was like, I do think that some people who are disappointed in it, aside from I wanted more historical fiction, actually. That's what I thought it was gonna be like. Interesting because that's always kind of like my and I do sorry, we're really hopping around here, but like so different normal. I was like, I do kind of feel bad for Ballerina Farms. I'm really excited to read her article. I'm waiting until I finish yesteryear because I didn't want anything to get given away, but I cannot help but picture. Give it away, give it away, give it away now. And now we can end it. We just did full circle. And yours was better? Yeah, it was so much better. Oh my god. We can compare. Listeners write in. Ugh. What Sarah Knight and I went on a hike with Norman. Oh, I don't want to hear about it. My little chihuahua. My little pony. My little pony killed or maimed a chipmunk. A baby chipmunk. Ugh, Norman. It was a really big bummer. And I am the uh it was awful. Poor Sarah. She had to kill it. That's terrible. Thanks so much for sharing that though. I'm so glad you shared that with all of us. I just it was like in the moment like decision making, because it was like, is it gonna die naturally? No, I think this is gonna be like messed up if we leave it. Ugh. And I was like, I can't do anything. I'm useless. Yeah, that's and it's funny. We went for a hike yesterday. Sarah has cats, and so she's used to killing the rest of the animal that has been maimed. Ugh. Cats cats are fucked with when it comes to that stuff. We went for a hike yesterday, and there were a bunch of pikas, and Apple was like chasing them, and you know, Jeff was I kept like trying to call her off, and Jeff was like, just let her do. She's not gonna catch them. And I was like, Yeah, but if they're sick or babies or old. Yeah, she's never caught anything on her own. She's only caught stuff she and Norman are terrible, like they're good hunters together, and I hate it. Ugh. But she didn't catch anything because I was calling her off. We didn't even because I'm better at training. Oh my god. I didn't even like we just had Norman off. She just was too slow. She just her library hasn't hit yet. Ugh. Yeah. Anyway, poor Sarah. Both of both of us were crying. Yeah, it was terrible. And I had plugged my ears and was closing my eyes, and she was like, boy, you really are useless. Is that how you wanted to end the podcast? It's not. I want to end it on a swamping update. Oh, okay, definitely. Okay, so I rode with a friend and another friend. So the one friend was the one who swamped. Swamped. And told me there they were the swamp they were the swamper. The swamper. Um, the swamp monster. They told they were the one who like in five minutes told me like a brief description of this thing. And then we talked about on the podcast. The other friend. And they were like, you got it completely wrong. The other friend listened to our podcast, and they told me, they were like, oh my god, I listened to your podcast about swamping, and I have to tell you, you got it totally wrong.

unknown 1:01:32

Ha!

SPEAKER_00 1:01:33

I bet you did. I bet you did. And and they were like, they explained what it is. Let's hear it. It's actually sounds pretty so they went to like all these classes with the person who wrote the book. It just, here's my thing. It just has a bad name. What's the book called? Swamp Star. It's okay. I don't know. I can't. No, Ellie. Well, you put it in the show notes. Give her no information. So it's this woman that made it's like a it's like a group therapy and like and release for like people that want to like uh God, I'm not gonna do a good job explaining this. I wish that I had just like recorded this person telling me about it because it sounded cool actually, and it sounded less it's not for me. I'm not like sure, I'm not like a group person like that, but like I do understand the like therapeutic thing, and it was like this person like flew to New York multiple times to learn these. Like I need you to tell me more about it. Uh tell me the pieces you remembered. Um, this woman wrote a book. Give me the bullet points. Uh, and the bullet points are you go through all these different like phases of like you say something that you have a brag, and you like have to like verbally brag about yourself to another partner, and you do a brag, and then you do two other things, and then you get to like the yelling part. And like Sarah, I did a bad job listening. No, no, I feel like I feel like I really understand it now. I just remember she was like, there was ah shoot, I gendered. I think that's okay. You have a lot of female friends. I do. Um anyway, uh gosh, I'm really doing a disservice. I should have looked about they don't want to be named. I'm not named. I didn't I didn't ask. Okay. I didn't ask. Okay. But I did want to clarify that like swamping is less like you're not just like meeting up with a bunch of strangers and then yelling in a room together. I figured you weren't. Oh, see, I that's what I retained from the first person. Enough people would sign up for that because that felt like, oh yeah, no, this'll be good. It's like a way to like deal, there was like different methods of like dealing with like frustration and just like and rage and like reactions to just, you know, I mean, oppression and things that you're going through. Well, I do feel like I understand it so much better now. Thank you so much. I'm sorry. It's okay. Uh I'll talk to whoever's gonna be. It was also in the swamped middle of a ride, and there was a lot of other stuff going on in my head because I felt really bad that we did like this, and now I'm doing it again. A disservice to swamping, something that they've really cared about. So we need to just make a formal apology to the swamp stars in our lives. Um, you guys are in fact swamp stars. Yes. And swamping does sound very interesting. All right, Sarah's changed her to I can't wait to hear you what you think after you go to your first swamp stamp. I'm honestly just blanking on what they said, and I know the second I push end on the podcast, I'm gonna be like, oh yeah, it was this. Yeah. Write it down for next time. I know. Yeah. So I did have an update, but I can't remember. Pregnancy brain. Babies eating your brain. It is insane. I know. What did you text me yesterday that I was like, what the fuck is she talking about? Oh, I said I didn't want to fuck up your nails. Uh and you were like, Do you think you'll fuck them off? I was like, what? I don't know, I don't know what that means. I was like in the middle, we were like having some friends over for dinner, and I was like trying to text you because I really I don't like having polish on my nails. My this one broke or like ripped and snagged. Uh, gel is just superior. I know. But same kind of idea with like putting ointment on your baby's eyeballs. Um, if like sometimes people can develop gel allergies, and no, no, like it happens all the time. People who do their gel nail at home gel nails at home. So at home. At home, it happens a lot that they like develop gel allergies. And so like at home versus in a salon. Because they're not professionals, they're not applying it in a professional man. Like, you know, if you get it like on your skin like that, can and like cure it like that. Like there are a lot of ways you can try and avoid it, and obviously I like try and avoid that for myself. And I would be fine to do your nails after you aren't carrying a baby. But I don't want to give them a because the reason it's not that you just like can't go get your nail nails done after you have this allergy. It's that it also that um like allergy exists in like a lot of dental products. Oh my god. And so you can't like it it affects other other things. Whoa. And that's all I have to say about that. So that's why I didn't want to do that anyway. Okay, fine. But we'll paint your nails tomorrow. Damn it. No, we might have time. We should get off the pod though. Well, I wanted to say one more thing and I just get off the pod. I can't remember what it was. Oh, I know. Um, we have another episode of uh Reroute coming out this week on Thursday. Ooh. And I just saw it. It I feel like I've worn a lot of hats this week or last week. Literally have a lot of hats on in the show? No. Oh, okay. Like just editing and but yeah, I'm really excited. So it's a little bit funny because if you listen to the podcast or you follow my social media, it will be about things that are in the past that you already know have happened. But I mean, there's no shockers. Like pregnancy is like a pretty boring thing, but it's I think it's gonna be a good episode because I I'm excited to see it. Super excited to see it. So Thursday. I also like don't know how people are reality TV people, like just getting everything filmed is so like, and we didn't, like, there's so much that like we could have put in this episode, but I just thank God I didn't have anyone filming. Um I did have one more thought. I was thinking about like how much I like watching reality TV and why it just like feels really comforting. And I was thinking that I wonder if there's some kind of correlation between like kids who like to play Sims growing up, if they also now really enjoy watching reality TV because it's like this confined, it's just like interpersonal, you know, like relationships in this like confined thing, and you get to like it, it feels controlled in a lot of ways. Um I don't think it's even yeah, for sure. Yeah, I was like, you like that's a lot of reality TV people, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But I I like especially listening to like the giggly squad and those girls come from reality TV and oh gosh, and that's even that's at least just like a house that you go. Like, I'm just thinking about like the it's crazy that the card, like, no wonder they're unhinged in the way that they are. Like, they've had camera crews in their lives, it changes your psyche. I can't imagine how it's like. Well, I got to the point where I was like, Oh, we should be filming this for the the series, and I'm like, oh my god, we're just gonna be able to tell some part of this story. So it but it's really hard to like find that balance. Yeah. I'm like, I really want to be like so honest and authentic, but like we have 10, you know, we're doing these 10-minute episodes, right? Right. So you only have so much, and the tiny glimpses, you know. The director was like, Do you have any videos of you crying? And I because I like there was one moment in Hawaii that like was really hard that was a poignant part of you know the second trimester and pregnancy for me, but we're not like Dylan and I, I don't know, he's not gonna like flip the like his phone on and film me. Yeah, and I'm not I'm really not the person who can cry to my own. I like can barely talk to my own phone. Yeah, no, that sounds terrible. Yeah, I can't even picture you. And like hats off if you can do that, like good for you. I really just can't. But I'm like, oh, I feel like I'm lying because I'm like, we didn't have any footage of this moment, and anyway. Can't wait for you to watch the episode. Wow, can't wait to see what what did come through. It was yeah, it it is really, really good. Cool, yeah. I'm excited to see it. So um Thursday. I really hate that like YouTube is like this whole thing that you have to promote. It's like a whole new beat. I'll I'll promote it for you. So subscribe to your station. Um and like the video and comment. Share it around, share it, or whatever. Because everyone wants to be a reality star. Oh that's what I'm saying. That's all that was my takeaway from that. So nailed it. Like and subscribe. Smash that subscribe button. Gross. Subscribe to your station. Okay, gotta go ice on that shin. Yeah, god. Look at honestly though, it is really swollen.

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No. Massive. Look at how swollen my feet are. Okay. Ew, I can see how dirty they are. Time to go wash your feet. Oh, uh, thanks to With Base Productions and Lily for producing this R rated episode, and congrats if you've made it this far. Always and forever. I never wanted to change bite.