Is This Episode Iconic or Just Messy? (Dawson’s Creek 2x11)

Season 2, Episode 11 turns the emotional volume up just a little higher—and suddenly the cracks everyone’s been ignoring are a lot harder to overlook.

In this episode, we unpack the growing tension between expectations and reality as Dawson, Joey, and the rest of the group continue navigating feelings that are getting harder to define. What starts as another seemingly small moment quickly reveals deeper frustrations, lingering jealousy, and the complicated question of whether everyone actually wants the same things anymore.

On a rewatch, this episode feels like another quiet shift in the season’s momentum. We talk about the subtle power dynamics in these relationships, the moments where honesty almost happens, and why this part of season two feels like the show slowly tightening the emotional screws.

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Season two of Dawson’s Creek continues to blur the lines between friendship, loyalty, and something much more complicated—and this episode proves that avoiding the truth only works for so long. 🎙️

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:01

He got an A. He did get an A. Congratulations, Stacey. The first day of his entire life.

SPEAKER_01 0:10

You know what? That whole scene of Jen, I'm going to bring it up again, of her going off on Abby. Oh, yes. I want to use that and like quote it for the Abby Morgan in my life. I want to like you're pathetic. I mean, because how pathetic can you be as someone double our age running around running their mouth and like harassing people with the thought that we would be in our 50s talking about how someone half our age doesn't do their job at the same time that you're not doing your job. Right. Look in the mirror is all I gotta say. Okay, well you look in the mirror and you might see Abby Morgan. That's what you might see. If Abby had grown up, I think this is what she would be like.

SPEAKER_00 1:20

Well, I hope that when Abby grew up, she became a better person. Some people don't become their best versions of themselves. And I'm quoting something that my family would laugh at.

SPEAKER_01 1:41

I wonder if any of our listeners or viewers know what's gonna happen. And we don't hear you don't know what's gonna happen in the episodes to come. Welcome to Press Play Again. Two Roommates and One Remote, the rewatch podcast where we dive back into the shows and movies we couldn't stop talking about in college, and probably still can't. We're your host, Anna and Megan, two roommates with one remote, ready to laugh, debate, maybe get a little too nostalgic as we revisit the classics and discover a few new favorites along the way. So grab your popcorn, press play, and hang out with us as we rewind it all, episode by episode, movie by movie.

SPEAKER_00 2:40

So what was your mood going into this? Okay, yeah, I guess I need to going into it. I knew what was coming. Good for you. The synopsis for episode 11. Abby and Chris find an anonymous love note at school and set out to find out who wrote it. Abby figures out that the author and intended recipient apparently had sex the night before, and in her true devious fashion, she sets out to expose the affair. The three suspected couples are Dawson and Jen, Joey and Jack, and Andy and Pacey. Abby and Chris work from clues about Joey's night of sketching after discovering her drawings of a nude Jack, while Angry Dawson sets out to find Joey and Jack, while Pacey becomes distant towards Andy after their romantic dinner. And in a true gothic theme mystery novel backdrop, complete with a thunderstorm and lightning, Abby and Chris gather all six suspects into a classroom after hours to bring out the author and which couple, if any, went all the way.

SPEAKER_01 3:54

This one was on January 20th, 1999. It has a popularity rating of 89 out of 128. I believe it. You did not like this one. I'm not saying that, keep going. And a user rating of 31 out of 128. Okay, so I knew what the episode was. So it's hard for me to I was excited because I do like this episode. But I like how I like the whole thing. Like I just like the episode. So I was excited going into it. Coming out of it, I I'm ready to talk about it. The next couple episodes have me kind of like, eh, I'm ready to get through those. So I'm kind of right now, but I'm ready to talk about this one. Except I have a feeling I'm not gonna like what you say.

SPEAKER_00 4:40

I don't think it's that you're not gonna like what I say. I mean, I've already kind of said it before we started. When I realized that I had misread a few cues, it changed a little bit of how I saw and read this episode. Yeah. Then in a way, I'm not saying it was a letdown, but it just kind of took something away for me. Okay. But at least I was right about my two predictions that I didn't really think that either of the other two couples went through. So I didn't think that Jack and Din did did. I didn't think that I know I meant to say I didn't think that Dawson and Jen did it. And I didn't think that Jack and Joey did it. I was concerned about how far, like I said, that Jen was gonna push Dawson. We left off with the impression that Pacey and Andy did not, but they did.

SPEAKER_01 5:40

The misdirect of this episode was good. Like there were so many misdirects, even to the point where we get to only six minutes left in the episode, and you had misread the whole thing. Correct. Even knowing what came out, you're still going.

SPEAKER_00 5:53

Well, see, and I told you I can't remember any of this from the last time we watched it. I remember the closing scene.

SPEAKER_01 5:59

Well, it is I don't know if it's just iconic. I say the word iconic a lot. It may not be iconic to anybody else. But Dawson holding the jacket over her when they're walking in the rain. I see that picture everywhere. It's memes, it's it's I see it everywhere. And like to me, I know that that is season two.

SPEAKER_00 6:18

Well, I saw that, like, I didn't think of it when you know, earlier in the episode, they stand there someplace and they wait out in the rain. And I didn't think of it then, but like when they come back to it at the end, I'm thinking, oh, I or at least I started to remember a little bit of that. That wait a second, I think I know how this ends. And I was right about that, but I was not right about the Andy and Pacey thing.

SPEAKER_01 6:43

Yeah. Okay, well, this episode really kind of gives me darker breakfast club vibes, like, because it still has that tone of like this group of people, everybody together, but it's darker. Abby is the monster. She is literally a monster, and it's thundering and lightning, and it doesn't rain that often in Capeside, so you know something's happening when it does. But it just gave me Breakfast Club vibes for some reason. I could see not as much as detention, obviously, but it just was like a darker gothic style, like it said, the synopsis. But um, we have we pick up this episode where we left off in the last episode because it wasn't to be continued. And so Jack and Joey are coming out on her porch, and I mean all the clues are pointing to And they want you to believe that it's happened.

SPEAKER_00 7:43

Absolutely. He's asking he Jack is asking Joey, do you have any regrets? Yes. You've got Jen and Dawson, and he's ready to talk about it, and she's like, let's give it a 12 hours before we dissect this. And then you got Andy and Pacey outside the car.

SPEAKER_01 8:01

Who we just assume the other two we're led to believe at the end of the last one that they are, Pacey and Andy, it's the opposite. Yeah, we we're led to believe that they don't. Correct. Then it's a flip in this episode.

SPEAKER_00 8:13

Yeah. I mean, I didn't I didn't take the bait on Jack and Joey and Dawson and Jim. I I no, but they did a really good job of making the I think of of trying to make you think of them.

SPEAKER_01 8:27

I mean, just little things here and there. They make you suspicious. They were all so awkward with each other. Yes, they made it very suspicious.

SPEAKER_00 8:33

Embarrassed of the night before and Or just how awkward things can be after something has happened or gone further than you expected.

SPEAKER_01 8:41

But it it makes what do you do now for it to be awkward after it didn't happen either. So, I mean, all of it still makes sense for it to be the scenario we actually have. Correct. But they really if you're watching it for the first time, especially, I mean, if I was watching this in 1999, I would be on the edge of my seat. Like, because I would have never guessed that Pacey was the one that wrote the letter.

SPEAKER_00 9:04

No, and I well, I said Joey at first, like when it when we when Chris first finds it, I'm like, is that Joey's note? And then I started thinking, I don't think it is, because that would be the most obvious answer. And it crossed my mind, I think it could be Pacey's, and especially when we go to the first scene of him and Andy in the lunchroom together. That immediately his lack of being able to talk, or just just he's he's really not talking to her. He's he's kind of weird, lends to the fact that the note says that he's like, or whoever has written it is saying that they they they want to say these things, but they keep coming out wrong, so they're just gonna write it. But I didn't think too much further into it, but I still read it like, or at least listen to the way it was read in the content.

SPEAKER_01 9:56

We should not do this because it will change everything, yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:00

Or that we should continue to wait. But yet we find out it's because it actually took place, and before they do it again, they should wait.

SPEAKER_01 10:10

Yeah. But Abby spins this entire episode because she needs to get her project for and so sh that she stumbles upon this mystery is who done it, so to speak. Who screwed it?

SPEAKER_00 10:23

Chris.

SPEAKER_01 10:24

That's what she said. Chris is gonna help her. Chris Wolf. And it's not even for his project. You know what? His character I'm so confused by him. Same. Because sometimes, not sometimes, all the time he gives off the sleazy vibe, but then sometimes he gives the the the vibe of like he actually isn't a terrible guy. Right. He's just playing into the role that he is, or he just thinks that that's who he needs to be. That is kind of the front he tries to put on. Yeah, the election episode, you could tell, like, I think even some of the stuff that Abby was doing made him uncomfortable. He want to know part of it, but instead of standing up to her and saying we're not doing this, he made the comment about I'm gonna go kiss some babes.

SPEAKER_02 11:10

You know.

SPEAKER_01 11:10

So it's like he he he just doesn't want to stand up to the wrong. But in this episode, we see a little bit of that. Like he he still has this the gross comments about helping her because she's gonna let him touch her in bad places. But then at the end, when she ha does not turn in the project, says no, she doesn't have it after Jen ripped her a new one. Camera cuts to Chris and he's got this little smirk on his face, like he's proud that she made the decision not to humiliate them. Like, I don't understand him. I don't either. Um We're not going to because he's gone.

SPEAKER_00 11:52

No, yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_01 11:53

But no, he's still here because he's in Dawson's movie.

SPEAKER_00 11:56

I'm sorry, but anyways. Well, right, but my point too is that you've got, I mean, here's the other conflicting pieces to his character. The way he can turn on genuine kind of good guy to act out the audition scene for Dawson's movie, and at the same time, he goes from like having this jock like, you know, personality or whatever that he's putting off with Jen. So that, you know, at one point he sleeps with her. Well, he's throwing himself at Abby, and she's like, Ew, no, I don't want your diseases, you know, and like all this other stuff. And I'm just like, hold up. Abby's the one trying to throw herself at other people, and all of this just feels it does feel weird off track.

SPEAKER_01 12:49

Because he doesn't even like talk to Jen like they know because just two episodes ago, he they're partying every night together. Right.

SPEAKER_00 12:56

I mean, that's not I won't I for what it's worth it wasn't me, but I witnessed some things in in high school that you know that that could track.

SPEAKER_01 13:05

But it just feels it kind of it just feels kind of weird.

SPEAKER_00 13:07

No, all of it because he's still somehow inside this group, and uh in its own way, they're the fourth couple, yeah. You know what I mean? Like whether they're actually a couple couple or not, they're the fourth couple. And you know, she's instigating all this uh in in the vein of saying this will be my mis my mystery project, you know. And no, she ultimately does not turn it in on some air of integrity, but uh we know she possesses none, truthfully.

SPEAKER_01 13:42

No, Jen even says, I feel bad. If you're like this at 16, I feel bad. Yeah, I feel bad for what you're gonna grow up to be. Yes. You discard me.

SPEAKER_00 13:54

Yeah, you're you're pathetic. I mean, I won't want to be. That for me is my MVP moment. Yes, that's it.

SPEAKER_01 14:02

MVP moment of the whole episode is Jen. Yes. Even her standing up and saying, that's not the truth to Dawson and Joey. I liked that. Because she, I mean, they're I know they're in the moment and they're yelling at each other and they forget that there's other people around. But she stands up and is like, I am not gonna be a pawn in this game. And I like that. Even though she's had her moments of making him her pawn, yeah, and she pushed him to this, and she was fine with him writing the writing the scene in his movie script. Of course. She okay, I'm torn because it could be interpreted as her just standing up because she doesn't want to play this game, or she's standing up and stopping it because she's not the center of the attention at this moment.

SPEAKER_00 14:53

I don't think it's that. I think it's a genuine standing up for the truth.

SPEAKER_01 14:59

But she's hurt that she's not the center of attention.

SPEAKER_00 15:02

Right, but his attention, not just the reality of the situation, and the fact that Abby is taking it way too far and trying to exploit it and on camera. So, I mean, let's let's at least acknowledge the repercussions of what would have come from if this had been aired in class. We know that's not gonna happen, but if it had, and it's not true, the river meal, the river mill is already disastrous, it is, okay. Which is how this episode tries to gain its momentum anyway. Um, you know, pitting everybody against each other in a way to try to get somebody to tell the truth or let the cat out of the bag somewhere.

SPEAKER_01 15:48

Yeah. Um, but Chris even makes the comment. I'm starting to think they all just did it.

unknown 15:56

Right.

SPEAKER_00 15:57

You know, it could be any of them or all of them. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:59

But I mean, really, the way the whole episode is set up, it really could have been. Honestly, I think I remember, and I actually it took me a few minutes into the episode before I even honestly remembered it was Pacey that writes it because every single time I watch it, I think it's Andy. Hmm. I don't know why. I can watch it however many times, and I still my brain does not track that it's Pacey that writes it until we're well into it, and I think, oh, it's Andy. And then I'm like, wait, no, that's not how this episode works.

SPEAKER_00 16:36

Well, I'm sorry, but for it to say that they're having a hard time saying it, Andy has no trouble with words. Yeah. So to me personally, I never suspected Andy.

SPEAKER_01 16:48

Well, I only did because I knew it was about them. I knew they were the couple that actually had sex.

SPEAKER_00 16:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 16:55

But you didn't even realize that part, so never mind.

SPEAKER_00 16:57

No. But I I they were not on my radar at all because I was under the angelic impression that they left and it didn't take place.

SPEAKER_01 17:05

Yeah. They do a good job of keeping you under that impression because even though she's saying like last night was so great and so magical, and you were such a gentleman, that could be just because of the way he handled everything.

SPEAKER_00 17:22

But I made a note that she is very, very well coming on way too strong. She is, but you still didn't even think they had sex. It made me there was a thought that crossed my mind, but I was like, they didn't. Does that make sense? Like, I was like, okay, girl is trying too hard because they didn't. Okay, okay. Does that make sense? Like she's almost try I would the way I impression I took from it was that she's playing this up in a way that she almost thinks that he backed out because he doesn't think she's ready. Yeah. So she's almost trying too hard. That yes.

SPEAKER_01 18:02

So what about when Abby tells her that he was disappointed? Just disappointed because she didn't go through with it? Is that how you took that?

SPEAKER_00 18:12

Well, I don't know why that didn't fully register in that direction, but I took it, I guess, as yes, that or just in general, that overall she's inexperienced compared to what he had. Oh, don't say what he's used to, but what he's had previously.

SPEAKER_01 18:28

The only thing he's had, so he's used to that. Yes, that's all he's had. I don't know that it was long enough to call it used to, though. Just it's the only experience he can compare it to.

SPEAKER_00 18:38

Correct. But at the end of the day, it does explain why she was so deeply hurt by that thought and notion. But at the same time, let's also acknowledge that Andy's had a few moments here of feeling things a little too deeply at times, which that's not something to feel too deeply about. Like that that's legit. But it it really does make that's that's why when when it clicked, and as a you'd already paused or something, I don't know, as hold the pause, I gotta make a note. But I also had to process that I had watched the whole episode pretty much wrong. The wrong viewpoint. So, okay, when Pacey I did know that he got an A. I knew that when he was acting funny about his grade, it was not because he failed.

SPEAKER_01 19:30

I forgot all about the A because when he's trying to keep the note in my mind, even just now, I was like, oh, he doesn't know he lost his note, and he thinks that it's in that stack and he doesn't want her to see it. That's where my brain went. I didn't even think I forgot all about the A until he got in the car and pulled out the paper, and I was like, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But him, the whole when he chases her down, oh my gosh, I compare lots of TV shows, but when he chases her down in the rain and goes to the car, it gave me the whole Nathan and Haley outside of her house after the whole picture situation. Same scenario. But I love it, but you know.

SPEAKER_00 20:11

But it was sweet.

SPEAKER_01 20:12

It was.

SPEAKER_00 20:15

It left me feeling some type of way though.

SPEAKER_01 20:17

I don't know that that would ca I just don't know about what about his reasoning behind it all.

SPEAKER_00 20:30

I need you to see. He's just scared of what this okay. To me, the way I took that after I'd had a moment to digest re-digest the episode was that I mean I could see the boy would be scared. All right, she has literally rocked his world in a way that everything has completely changed. He is wanting to be the better guy, he is wanting to get good grades and actually study. He's actually been successful at making an A for the first time in his life, and the literal only person he can thank for that is her, who he's also not his first time, but was her first time after he said he wanted to be the good guy. I'm not saying that he's conflicted about that, although you you could raise that question, but personally, I think that there's a lot of weight sinking in as he's realizing that there's now a new expectation that if he was capable of making such a good grade, now he needs to continue that. They've now crossed this line. He's wanting to say we need to pump the brakes, but there is an expectation of crossing that line again at some point.

SPEAKER_01 21:48

But he only wants to pump the brakes because he's scared. Right. Not because he doesn't want to continue. Correct. That's clear. He I wonder too if there is a notion of like just how connected they are to each other at this point. Yeah, he only has her to thank for his grades. Yeah. Now they have this soul connection. Right. They have a physical connection. It's scary when you realize and I don't think I don't think that either one of them are realizing kind of like Joey have that realization of like you're all I have. I don't think that Pacey and Andy have that. But that's essentially what it is at this point. He's like it's some uh like this is he doesn't say it this way but I wonder if part of that is like a part of his fear comes from that deep down without fully understanding.

SPEAKER_00 22:49

Right. I think it it's some other version of that because there are other people in their lives. It's it's not a Joey and Dawson you're all that I have to that extreme. But I mean he he ends up admitting to her that he is falling hopelessly in love with her. And I think that that is also the other piece to what scares him the most because he's never experienced love. I mean let's at least acknowledge the fact that home life doesn't sound very loving. No. So literally he is experiencing love for the first time for real in his life there's a lot to unpack right there.

SPEAKER_01 23:26

Yeah and I there is a layer of when you are that connected to somebody that in love with somebody and their age plays a role in this of like how to navigate and handle this obviously but when you're that in love and together with someone like that the fear of like hurting each other because he probably has some fear that he's going to be the one to hurt her. Or that there's some fear of disappointing the other. Yeah he it's never gonna cross his mind and I think that he could could be afraid that she could hurt him but I don't think it's the same kind of hurt that he thinks that he could hurt her with.

SPEAKER_00 24:15

Right. I I do think but again that goes back to there's gear shifting here there's there's a lot of realignment taking place in his life and how much she has changed his life and he's realizing it.

SPEAKER_01 24:29

I just the scene in the car with Pacey and Andy I thought he his performance was great. Um I think they gave him more depth in this season they gave him more meat to work with in this season and so his performance he's stepping up to the plate he has it's he he has more um well he's being more vulnerable he is well rounded it's not just the goofy kick sidekick which I know we have said he is vulnerable he is a leader he is compassionate he thinks of other people before himself every time he thinks of other people above himself and even like he doesn't fly off the handle like in the classroom with Abby oh my gosh I can't stand her but when Andy is so hurt when she realizes that he's the one that wrote the letter and he I did like that he didn't like jump up and try to explain himself right there. Right.

SPEAKER_00 25:28

I mean this whole group of people it would be my first instinct I think to defend myself so that I mean because well I mean furthermore let's back up and go to the book fair where she brings it up to him at that point that she's completely hurt and he's like well if you believe that then off he goes because of what Abby Morgan has said to her about you know that she didn't live up to whatever or it was a disappointment to him.

SPEAKER_01 25:57

And that that lends to what he says at the end though correct of like how much how deeply he's in love with her and just how much she's showing him who he can be the good in him what his potential is and so when in that scene beforehand where he's he looks at her and is and and thinks in that moment that she sees like that he has that in him to do that and to go around and say that for him to to think this person who only sees the good in me and has pulled out the good and the potential in me to be better but now she sees this it's like that episode earlier in season one where it happened with him and Dawson when he looks at Dawson and goes if you believe that yeah it was the say it's the same thing where it's like you believe this about me then we have nothing well then we're done we have nothing else to talk about.

SPEAKER_00 26:56

And that's that hurts whenever you see somebody who has who has always seen good even when other people see bad angle just acknowledge what's in this episode and how it ends the person that he is falling hopelessly in love with is straight up bashing him and angry.

SPEAKER_01 27:22

If we get into her mindset she has every right to be yeah now because all she hears she has like this insecurity and she this was her first time he does have experience. So when somebody is coming to her to say all these things that she doesn't think anybody else should know about the only other person that was there was him exactly it would be the same conclusion that I would go to honestly right at the same time I think about last episode and how easily triggered by Abby she was then it's like okay girl take a step back and realize the source that it's coming from we've got enough nods back to the previous episode and or two episodes ago excuse me that literally but at the same time it's it's that quick gut reaction quick hurt your hurt yes yeah and and immediate instinct of like you go into protective mode of like I don't know what you're talking about or I I don't know where you got that information from and then turning around and being like what are you talking about into who and it adds to the hurt it adds to your hurt when it's somebody that you are also falling in love with and you thought that would not be able to hurt you like this because you just the night before shared this moment together and now he is seemingly hurting you in the worst way.

SPEAKER_00 28:53

Yeah and he's barely talking to you. Yes and things are weird and that's part of where I had to go back and be like wait I need to pause for a second this is how he's acting yeah so I get why she reacts the way she does I had to I had to take a minute and pause and kind of feel for her in a way you know yeah but he he comes clean.

SPEAKER_01 29:19

He does but in the classroom when she walks out and he just closes his eyes and shakes his head I'm telling every every hit I just look Joshua Jackson I don't know that I can continue to say anything great about him. It is just that everything that every choice he makes every subtle I mean just and I know gosh this is so off track. Let me say what I was going to say about that scene first and then I'll get into the acting of it all. When he stands up and Jack stands up and he says that's not it's not what what is it it's not what you think or it's not that's not how it is or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 30:02

Or it's not like that. Well I think personally his moment of like eyes closed head kind of hung there's almost at least the way I read the scene there's almost a conflicting moment internally for him of like again this this is how I perceived it it's like like old Pacey versus what's going on with new pacey if you will I mean he's getting up to go after her but there's been character previously like season one he might not have gotten up and gone after her.

SPEAKER_01 30:46

Yeah but he loves her I know that I know that but that's that's my point like there to me there was this moment of like she thinks this about me old me versus like the new me I I don't know me at all so like is it worth even going after if she believes this about me maybe not even that deep but just just this I just felt this moment of internal like warring of of just I'm better than this and she's you know this is the way this is playing out but like it almost feels like a a what's the word I'm looking for where it's like it's an old moment has come back or like an I'm trying to find my words and I'm sucking at this right now but just it's it's almost like a some of the old tendencies or the old crap used to come up in his in his life it's almost like a moment like that but this is a different pacey yeah well I even said that about a scene in with Dawson where it felt like the Dawson from season one the way he was reacting to Joey it did not feel like how we've seen him so far in this season. I'm I'm struggling really hard to put into words it's it's just I didn't get it but I understand what you're saying though. I just didn't get it when I watched it but I understand.

SPEAKER_00 32:12

Well I feel like it even translates into the moment in the car where he you know hops in and he's he's like putting himself there. She's telling him to get out and he is not he is he is sitting there sitting down to tell her this is this is what's up like it looks like this but that's not true. I'm scared and this is what you're seeing of me because of the fact that I'm scared and and basically he's just trying to process and that's the hard thing to do.

SPEAKER_01 32:46

The easy thing would have just been it would have been hurt it would have hurt but the easy thing would have been to just fine that's what she thinks just let it I can't it it would hurt too bad I don't want to be that vulnerable I don't want to have to explain it. We're just gonna move on.

SPEAKER_00 33:01

Right and I think that in some old version of Pacey that if he didn't have the feelings that he actually has for and if he didn't actually care at all he wouldn't have dealt with it.

SPEAKER_01 33:12

I just but you know I don't know that there is any universe where Pacey Witter doesn't care about people because even season one in his goofiness and in his just being the town clown and he I think that even then because even when he was what having whatever with Tamara we saw tendencies of him and characteristics that were good that were kind that were protected that were compassionate that was looking out for other people I'm not necessarily meaning it in that kind of doesn't care.

SPEAKER_00 33:57

I'm meaning it more in just like not caring enough to expend the energy to go after fixing it. Oh there was plenty of times in especially season one where grades are bad oh yeah crap is happening and he's just like he's still caring about people around him yes but just I don't care because it would it's too hard to change.

SPEAKER_01 34:20

Correct that that's the internal it was too hard for him to change on his own it took her coming into his life and kind of holding him accountable and saying no we're doing this. Yes you are gonna change so that that's what I am trying to get at I love them. But his and okay the choice it went I don't know I'm not an actor I wish I was and every project is different I like to listen to these different podcasts especially the companion ones where they're currently still airing and it's just going alongside of it because they talk to them and a lot of questions will be like was that on the page how what were you feeling when you read the script? Did you how how did you play this? How did you figure out how to play that for your character and like what feelings were you supposed to have in that moment and I just really wonder a lot of things from 1999 to 1998 of what their scripts looked like and like what when they read it I feel like at this point most of them know their character enough to know what they would do and wouldn't do and how they would feel as that character. And so just when like they got this script and he read that scene of them in the classroom and Andy was I just wonder what it looked like on page versus how it came out across on camera. I get that I wonder the behind the scenes of it like that because I just think that Joshua Jackson is stunning in every sense of the word yes he is by far my biggest crush I have you heard of the show Paradise I don't know so anyways I'm not gonna try to explain it all to you but anyways I was listening to this companion podcast today and the main actor you know the show This is us. Okay Randall I think I do this is us that sounds familiar with the three kids and it show it's like the back and the present day and the back with it's on Hulu I think I mean it's over now I think I've heard of it I've never watched it okay so the three that they Mandy Moore and Mila they play a couple and they have triplets well one of the triplets dies in childbirth they adopt a black child so they have two white children one black but they still trip like they're twins. He was born on the exact same day so like they're triplets I said twins they're triplets that's the basis of the whole show anyways the the s the son who the black son he's the the because that show is like it shows them when they're kids it shows them when they're adults it goes back and forth the adult version of that son is played by an actor named Sterling K. Brown. He is also in Paradise that's that's where I'm tying it in.

SPEAKER_02 37:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 37:40

Okay today I was listening to the podcast his wife in real life is the one who's hosting the podcast cool and so she says I don't remember how it came up but she said my husband Sterling he has a list of people that he loves so much that he would literally kick me over a cliff for one of which whether it's to act with or whatever one of which is Meryl Street Brad Pitt yes and Joshua Jackson. She said that he you was obsessed with Dawson's Creed he would sing the song he would watch it every week he had to see what was happening with Joey and Pacey and I watched that today and I was just like me too me too Sterling. Joshua Jackson is my whole list it's just him that's it I want to hug him I want to talk to him I want to tell him he's phenomenal I want to hold his hand I want to pick his brain about all of his projects he's got a couple more coming up so I will be watching but anyways I just think that he has hit his stride in this season and everything that he's doing I love. I love it.

SPEAKER_00 39:09

Do you have anything else you want to talk about Dawson rewrites his story for the movie and includes a sex scene after all um which is also supposed to lend to our suspicions as to what took place between him and Jen. Because he tells her that he was inspired which I won't lie her face in plenty of scenes tells you they didn't and especially when he makes the comment that you know at the when they're in the lunchroom and she's basically asking him if he's okay he's I mean he's way too chipper and she is not at all and he's like oh yeah I'm completely fine blah blah blah blah blah we're still friends and you can literally see the the the pain that that inflicts when he says that so it's like a word we knew it wasn't them um I mean I did wonder did did Joey's art project ever get turned in? Because did she get it back? He gave it to Jack I can't remember if it's given back to her in the classroom when they all meet or not I don't think so but I mean my thing is did it ever get turned in it got folded up into a square so like all right you couldn't submit the first one because it was covered in chocolate milk now you like can you even submit this one and it's been folded up like where's this been you know what I mean like I don't know but it that also goes back to when when he's like can I have it I don't know it's just strange. And then the end of the episode with Joey and Dawson they basically are telling each other that they're glad that each other didn't do it with the respective partners that could have been and then they miss each other.

SPEAKER_01 40:58

Well and and honestly I cringed when he first said I miss you and she said it back but then the more they then his his line about I know we can't um bring back 15 years. Yes I really took it more I mean obviously I know he still has feelings for her so I'm not discounting that but this scene felt more like he was saying I just miss a friend friend like because they haven't really communicated or had no interaction for real yeah and so I can see that that that was very believable. I I miss my friend we we don't communicate we don't know what's going on in each other's lives and I want my friend back and and I do think that she misses that too. I think he misses it more. Yeah well I she has other things and he doesn't necessarily he does but it's still still attached to her.

SPEAKER_00 41:51

Correct I I made a note that he begs for whatever little interaction she'll give him yeah and you know she's agreeing and saying you know slowly we we can start trying to you know reintegrate into each other's lives slowly and then you know that makes him immediately just elated yeah he's not gonna be able to do that. No and furthermore he's like well it isn't like this rain's gonna let up I think we make a run for it. She's like no I think we walk which is against her bringing him back to the slowly thing.

SPEAKER_01 42:25

Mm-hmm. Yeah that was that's kind of a cool parallel there.

SPEAKER_00 42:29

It is you know but I do I do sorry no go ahead I was gonna say I do appreciate I forgot where I made the note that you know when Jack and Jen are having their conversation and he's like I really don't like playing second string and she's like I totally get that oh that scene was the beginning of Jack and Jen.

SPEAKER_01 42:50

I know I I and you can feel it.

SPEAKER_00 42:52

You can I mean when they're looking at each other it was the beginning of that scene telling her how he he just wishes he could be that open and that honest and you can tell he's got stuff he needs to let out yes he ain't there yet but but yes it's coming it is it's coming quick and you know if Jen could all I could think was when I'm watching the final scenes if Jen could have seen the look on Dawson's face at just the crumbs he's begging Joey for and he's that excited Yeah it ain't happening.

SPEAKER_01 43:30

Girl would leave him alone I don't know that she would I'm telling you I think that she does have feelings for him but I still think it is a game and she just can't have him so she's gonna keep trying.

SPEAKER_00 43:44

Yes but I feel like it would put a I I really think it put a hitch in some of that if she could see the difference. I mean how can you not already he wrote an entire movie script about her. I know but she it's some kind of delusion that she can overlook If she thinks that there's still some level of hope. And again, that goes back to the whole girls are so guilty of this. We create our own backstories. We excuse things by rationalizing everything in our own heads. That it literally has nothing to do with reality. Um I mean it can, but most of the time it doesn't. So I'm just saying, I think that if she literally could see that from an outsider's perspective, I really think it would put a hitch in some things.

SPEAKER_01 44:37

She just needs a new friend. So she's about to get I know, thanks for a little word. Praise God. What um what rating do you give this one?

SPEAKER_00 44:49

It was conflicted, but I'm gonna give it a six.

SPEAKER_01 44:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 44:52

I didn't I didn't I wasn't so let down to take something away from it, but I I didn't end this like, woo!

SPEAKER_01 44:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:02

I'm not saying that this episode was heavy. It it I went into it just like chomping it, but I got I gotta remember how this ends, but again, I I watched it and realized at the end that I had watched it wrong on some level for the episode.

SPEAKER_01 45:17

Six is still very high for you. It is, it is that's still good. I'm going seven. Um, and honestly, I just liked the all the mysteries. I got it, it was more so not the storyline, it was more so Convincing acting. It was well done. I mean, all the different mysteries of even me watching it, I've seen it, and I'm still going, I could I see how that we think that it could be them, or we could uh and then there's even more mysteries, even when we know it wasn't them. It's like, but okay, but what happened then? Like, yeah, so there's I I think it was a well done episode overall. Um, there's still way too much Abby, so I just can't deal with it. Oh wait. Um Pacey and Andy are always going to make it higher for me than it probably deserves. Or Pacey, Pacey, because I'm gonna be completely honest. I like what Andy adds to the show, sure, but the character of Andy sometimes really gets on my nerves. Because she's too much sometimes. She is, she can be, but she adds what's needed to be. She's bringing out this whole deeper side of Pacey. So I'm going seven. I thought about an eight, but I was like, I I think about some of the other eights I would give and I just can't. I get that. Do you want to spend? What shall it be? Oh do you want the two or the ten? I'll take the ten. Oh my gosh. I didn't hate the episode of the title.

SPEAKER_00 47:05

Aww. Alright, so the title is a quote from Pacey. You are the single most important being that ever graced my existence. It's a spoiler. Sex She Wrote is one of the most fun, anxious, and exciting episodes from season two. Monica Kina still That's a pleasure. Yeah, but I think their grammar's wrong. Um stole the whole episode with her evil yet sweet performance. The way she set things up and manipulates that's sets things up and manipulates the whole crew is just beyond predictable in any teen show. I love how this episode their grammar is terrible. Focuses on sexual. I'm trying. Focuses on sex, but not just physical, or not just the physical parts, also the emotional parts, which I think is left out in many other series. While watching, we feel curious as to who wrote the letter and why Pacey and why Pacey do that and why Pacey does that. I I I love that towards the end how Pacey explains to Andy his carelessness. That literally makes no sense. His carelessness, he wrote on the letter and how the dialogues match the perfect situation. Alright. We also see the beginning of Jack and Jen's friendship, how they tell each other their secret, and their you know, and and last, the adorable relationship between Dawson and Joey. Bravo to the writer and director. A memorable episode. It's a memorable episode.

SPEAKER_01 48:50

I cannot stand the internet.

SPEAKER_00 48:52

I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_01 48:53

That was painful. Sounds good. Someone disliked it. Yeah. Was it you? No, but check your grammar, please. Mesh the movie freak.

SPEAKER_00 49:06

Mesh. Do better.

SPEAKER_01 49:07

Okay, so I'm gonna read the two.

SPEAKER_00 49:09

Okay.

unknown 49:13

What?

SPEAKER_01 49:14

This is by Leanne. Okay, Leanne. Okay, Leanne said just stupid.

SPEAKER_00 49:22

I wish I'd read this one. Keep going.

SPEAKER_01 49:26

I see other reviews saying they were surprised Pacey wrote the letter, and I don't get why. It was so obvious, especially after the way he was talking in the last episode. And again, that Abby chick is so unnecessarily mean and nasty. It could be because I'm in my 30s watching this and I no longer relate to teenagers, but it's hard to watch the show at times.

unknown 49:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 49:47

I hear something about you. Some of what you're saying.

SPEAKER_01 49:50

But something that oh stupid. That's the kind of review I need, though. That's the ones I want to read.

SPEAKER_00 49:57

Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_01 49:59

Oh my gosh. Okay, that was so funny. I'm sorry. They're just stupid. The grammatical errors were distracting in this. And that's to wrap on today's episode. If you loved hanging out with us, make sure you like and subscribe on YouTube where you can watch this full video and follow us on Spotify so you never miss a rewatch. You can also find us on Instagram and TikTok for clips, behind-the-scenes moments, and all the nostalgia your heart can handle. Leave us a comment, rate the show, share the episode with a fellow Roomie. It truly helps more than you know, and we love hearing from you. We'll be back every Tuesday and Thursday with more laughs, more nostalgia, and of course more rewatches. Until then, keep the remote close, the memories closer, and always be kind. Rewind and press play again. Bye Roomies.

SPEAKER_00 50:42

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