Why Did Everyone Enable Abby? (Dawson’s Creek 2x12)

Season 2, Episode 12 leans fully into the emotional tension—and makes it clear that nothing in Capeside is staying simple.

In this episode, we break down how everything feels just a little more heightened: conversations carry more weight, reactions feel more personal, and the space between what’s said and what’s meant keeps getting wider. Dawson is still holding tight to what he thinks things should be, Joey is navigating what she actually wants, and Pacey continues to exist right at the edge of the truth.

On a rewatch, this episode feels like a slow burn that’s getting closer to ignition. We talk about miscommunication, emotional vulnerability, and why this part of the season feels like the point where the show stops pretending these dynamics are easy to manage.

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Season two of Dawson’s Creek is steadily building toward something bigger—and this episode makes it clear that the emotional stakes are only getting higher from here.

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Press play again. Two roommates, one remote. The rewatch podcast where we dive back into the shows and movies we couldn't stop talking about in college and probably still can't. We're your hosts, Anna and Megan. Two roommates with one remote, ready to laugh, debate, and maybe get a little too nostalgic as we revisit revisit the classics and discover a few new favorites along the way. So grab your popcorn, press play, and hang out with us as we rewind it off. Episode by episode, movie by movie. Well, season 12. You mean season two episode 12? That's exactly what I meant. Uncharted Waters. Whew. Okay, so I before I read the synopsis. I didn't really have a a rem I knew what the episode was, I knew it was the fishing trip, but I don't think I had a preconceived idea of how I felt about it in my other times watching this. I knew there was some emotional stuff with Pacey and his dad. But like it was just kind of another episode in my memory bank. But I really can't wait to talk about this one. Yeah. It's like I'm watching it with an adult perspective, I think. It's like different. But anyways, I'll read the synopsis if you're ready. The synopsis for episode 12. The gang explore the gangs explore uncharted waters. When the girls, Jen, Joey, Andy, and Abby spend a day with Gail doing a TV report on teenage behavior amid the tensions between all of them over Jen and Joey's continuing feud and Abby's continuing insensitivity. That is putting it politely. Meanwhile, Dawson and Pacey explore their own uncharted waters when they go on a father-son fishing trip with Mitch and Pacey's grumpy and critical father, Sheriff John Witter, as well as Jack, whom Pacey invites to tag along, which brings out more tension between Dawson and Jack. This episode aired on January 27th, 1999. It has a popularity rating of 124 out of 128. Ouch. And an IMDB user rating of 100 out of 128. Wow. So where we left off, episode 11, was the note and the secret of Pacey and Andy, but then Pacey also he got an A. So we left off on a pretty intense emotional I probably should have looked back and a lot happening in that episode. Um so how did you how did you have any specific feelings before going into this episode? No. Um like I said, I honestly not thought to look back or revisit where we would have left off. I probably should have. Usually when I watch, when I have watched it, the girls has kind of been irrelevant to me. Yeah. And and I still, it's not that I felt like it was irrelevant, but it just was not something I really totally felt invested and cared about. This one I had some thoughts, but this I'm watching, I had some thoughts. Still don't feel like it was my favorite part of the episode by any means, but I still have thoughts about it. Um I mean, the major A storyline obviously is Pacey and the fishing trip, but well, I feel like the theme or the proverbial theme of this one would have been that the proverbial poop was hitting the fan. Yeah. I mean, but like we have the it's like a fathers and sons, the boys within their own group. Yes, fathers and sons, not fully, not you can another theme of like you can know somebody, but not really know somebody. Oh, sure. Like, how does Dawson not even know about Jack and the situation with his dad? But and and I know Dawson lives in his own world, but I'm just meaning that in the theme of the episode, it's like not fully knowing, just like he didn't fully understand the things of facing his dad. But then also the word respect was thrown out in every single conversation multiple times. Truthfully, there's another underlying current that runs the whole entire episode of everyone like internally being in competition with everyone else. Yes, like between the girls, between the boys on the on the boat, I mean, even just pacing his dad, and there's this underlying, you know, just thread that really eats at everybody. I mean, they're projecting and and everybody's feelings go haywire. I thought this was a good episode. I thought it was kind of heavy, like there were heavy conversations, heavy, heavy storylines, like Pacey and his dad, obviously, but then even with the girls, so the conversation with the girls and the whole them going over to Gail's house, I I to me, I think why I've not cared about it in the past is like, is this actually realistic that they would all be there? No, right. So I know, I know it's just a way to get them all together. Right. I get that, but it still feels a little this is weird. There, I and and they read it like you can read the room, you can you can see that their body language tells you it's weird, like we're supposed to feel like it's weird. But Jen painted it as it was Gail's idea, but then Gail thanks Jen for the idea. Correct. So and Joey caught that. So okay, so this whole I I also fully never I guess quite understood what the assignment of this news report is, but like you're trying to find out, like, because the question she's asking about, like, why do you think girls are trendsetters? And like it's like, what is the purpose of this? Like, what is the story? Well, I mean, didn't she ask at one point, like, what are some of the main cares of teenage girls these days, or something? She tries to ask Joey first, she doesn't say anything. Oh, in the very beginning of that, yeah. You know, like I don't I don't know. And it I'm sorry, it's not very realistic to think that this would be a hard-hitting piece on the six o'clock moves, you know, to be featured. Um, cool if it really was, you know. But I think it's a really important conversation. I'm not saying that, like trying to get down to the approach was all wrong. Yeah, it's just a weird, it's weird how it was all set up. But like the the storyline of teenage girls, and it would have been different if it was not for the news, but like the the teenage girls are pitted against each other and being in competition with each other. And I that is a different thing. That's not what that felt like in the beginning, and also it would never be on the news, but just like if if if okay, if Gail saw, because Gail is like besides Graham's, but she hasn't even started being in it pretty regularly. If Graham, I'm sorry, Kolly, if Gail, here's here's how I feel like this could have been done better. If Gail saw an argument between Joey and Jen, and we see her face like, oh, that's like that's an ugly conversation, or I hate that they're like this with each other, and she saw a little bit of insight into their relationship, and then her will start turning up. I want to bring this group together because I see this animosity. And then even bring Bessie into it. Make it a full girl's night where you're trying everybody's trying to come together. That would make a lot more sense than this random camera guy in the corner. It is who wants to open up with him? No, and I mean, this is what gonna be shared on the news with the public? Yeah, it it uh none of it none of it really makes any sense or seems like it's in the right place. It it seems very out of place, which speaking of some of the the weather and the attire and and all that didn't it feel like it either should have been, I don't know where it would have been, but it did not feel like it went after the one we just watched. Right, no in the fall. I don't know where it should have fallen. I mean they're in like we talked about, they're in full-on heavy winter jackets with mention his turtleneck underneath, and I don't know. I don't I don't know. That didn't make sense, but because in just a couple episodes ago, they're in shorts and t-shirts or tank tops. The end of season one was like the spring. Right. And this is not a new school year, no, so I don't fully understand. We're not supposed to read into that. No, I guess fictional, but the whole um like the I wish that they would have with the girls at least. I wish that they really would have like dove more into like the insecurities that teenage girls face and things like that. It would have just it would have been better. It it had a huge opportunity, in my opinion, yeah, for something that could have been very impactful. You just like it, they barely scratch the surface of like, yes, Andy's insecure because she's got her family situation. Jen opens up, she's insecure because she's moved here to be the new girl, thought it would be relief, but it really wasn't. All that Joey obviously says it once again, like she has in other episodes, that she's just the girl that will live and die at the creek. So they have all of these their own insecurities that they somewhat share with others throughout the show, but then they really don't. They hold it tight to the vest, and it's like they all live in their own bubbles in a way that they can't see past their own insecurities to see that other girls are feeling the exact same way, and that really is a message to any teenage girl. Yes, whatever you're dealing with, I promise you someone else is dealing with something else. It does not make one thing heavier or worse than another, but but you are not alone, right? You know, as as basic as that sounds, it's just like we all have things that we are. I mean, even Gail, I liked how what she said to Joey at the end. I could have cried when she says that she wishes that she had a daughter, but then she realizes she does. She has Joey. It was really sweet because and you see it on Joey's face, like it it's like a big thing. It meant something to her, yes. Yeah. But because we have said, like, this is she is close with this family. This does feel like a second family to her. Agreed. And I can only imagine, like, clearly, my mom has not died. So I don't know what that feels like, but I did grow up being very close with my friends and their families, and so I can only imagine that if I had lost my mom and one of them had made a comment like that to me, yes, it would have meant the world. So I can only put myself in those shoes. But and especially in that moment, I feel like that also lent to it being so impactful and powerful, is just the fact that, you know, Joey had just made her confession to basically the things that Jen kind of calls her out for. And she doesn't really acknowledge it when Jen is saying it, but um, you know, now she's confessed. And anyway, I just I really thought that was a a special moment. And then we have the Jen and Joey having their well, they have their blow-up, and I thought, as I'm watching, I'm like, they both have valid points. They do. Both of them, it's going back and forth, and they're both pretty valid. Yes, but Joey's RBF was I mean, ruthless.

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It is, it is.

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She has she has some serious RBF points. She really does. It's scary a little bit, like it's very intimidating. I'm like, girl, fix your face. And and listen, I I am no one to talk because I don't mean to, but I mean my daddy has told me before, hey, look look a little friendlier. I mean, I don't, I don't know what my face is doing sometimes. I don't either, and and I I have a little bit of the opposite problem, and I don't want this to sound like I'm tootin a horn by any means because I'm not really a people person, okay? But I have that kind of face where it's like no new friends, okay. That's the kind of face, and yet people come up to me and want to be friends, and I'm like, what aura is exuding off of me that I am inviting you into my space and want to be, I don't understand. Now, I'm I'm open to new friends. I don't mean it that way. I just mean I'm not one that's gonna go down the aisle at the Walmart. And if there's only one other person on the aisle, we don't have to conversate. We we just don't. I'm not that kind of person. I'm not gonna be rude to you if you talk to me, but I don't have that open, welcoming face that's like, hey, how are you today? What are you buying? Have you tried this? What's your take on it? It's not me. So don't turn to me and ask me because I'm just gonna be like, ha ha, yeah, I know, in the most polite way possible because I'm not an overtly rude person. No, I can be if it's called for unless provoked, yeah. Yeah, if it's called for. But I'm just not gonna be just rude just for the heck of it. But I also am not going to strike up a conversation with a complete stranger out of nowhere because I'm I'm just going with the Walmart thing here. When I go in, I'm ready to get out. I feel that. And every single time, every single time, I I know I can feel it. When I walk in, I'm like, I'm gonna see somebody I know here. I'm I just know I am without a doubt, every single time. Usually it happens as I'm walking out. That's unfortunate. I just I just do drive up. Well, then it's the awkward thing of like, this is so off track, but then it's the awkward thing of like you see somebody that you that you know, but you don't have like that kind of relationship. Like some people it's like a hug type situation. Yeah, some people it's like you know them, so you're like, hey, so it's that awkward, like you don't really stop. Right, you keep passing, you're like, hey, how are you? But you just keep walking. It's like, hey, good to see ya, see you later. Yeah, or you know, like it's just it's just awkward. And you know what? Girls are the friendliest in bathroom situations. Oh, absolutely, yes. Yeah, I don't I don't know if I have something plastered on my forehead that just says, please be my friend. Because it's not here from here down. It's not, so it's got to be up here somewhere. Yeah, I don't know. Your light must be on. I'm I am straight up relating to Joey and all that because I get it. My face is the same way, but but Jen calls her out on like I've but okay, about being friends, which you just have all this attitude toward me. But then Joey says exactly what we've been saying about you had him, but then I had him, and now you just want him back. Yeah. Which I just noted that that in some ways both points are not a hundred percent invalid. Right, but they're also both not a hundred percent valid. Right. They've they fall in some gray areas of just like they they have some truth behind them, but it's not I don't know the the perfect perspective from either angle. It's still all rooted around Dawson. Yes, and and too, their their competition between each other internally that they constantly fight that leaves them in this constant, you know, I don't want to say it's it's not like a toxic state, but just tense state of you know, feeling like they're both fighting for his attention. And it the world is so much bigger than one boy. Yeah, that's what I'd love to tell him. I know, and I know it doesn't feel that way though, when you are that age, it really doesn't. It feels like that is well, for Joey, it has been her world, he has been the center of it for so long. True, and I know her world is opening up a little bit more now, and I think she's kind of in this stage of like she wants that. We've seen that, she's had that conversation with if she wants more, but then it's a little bit of like, I don't really want to let go of that either because there's comfort in it. But then Jen, I think, feels safe with him. It's just they're looking for things in the wrong places, for sure, yeah, for sure. But Joey and Dawson both have the same comment at different points about you stole them from me. Oh, yeah, true. She says it to Jen, and Dawson says it to Jack. Not true in the slightest, because they were broken up, correct? So there was no stealing involved. But I don't know, because I'm like, y'all could be together if you really wanted to be. So why do you have all this animosity toward the other person? I mean, I get him because it wasn't his choice. No, it was really her choice to kind of move into, but kind well, kind of. He did technically break, they broke up in his bedroom after that dance, but she was the one making the steps towards new things. So I get him being a little bit mad still, because he doesn't feel like he can't have her back right now. But she, if she said the word, he'd be done. Oh yeah. Immediately, he'd be there. So he's already told her. So her saying, acting like she can't have I don't I don't make sense.

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That relationship is exhausting.

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It is.

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What else about those girls?

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Um so I mean, I know that when Jen and Joey are kind of having their heart to heart in Dawson's room, in some ways, when Joey tries to call Jen disingenuous, I I was like, okay, wait. I mean, I really think that there is some like true root of of Jen genuinely trying to patch up this friendship or just just finding some common ground because it is so tense all the time. Yeah. It it did not come across to me as as you know, frivolous or or just no, not this episode. Other episodes I do feel like there has been some of that with Jen. But this one in particular, and then you know, Joey's like, you're so disingenuous, and I'm like Yeah. Wait a second, she really was trying to be a friend here. I agree. I think so too in this episode for sure. Um I think Joey again is just trying to hold on to how she's always Jen has made the comment before I about um you don't want to give me a chance because you're afraid that I'll actually True, but you know, you you won't actually be able to hate me because there's no reason to hate me. And I think Joey does want to hold on to that a little bit. Right, that's their insecurity.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. But the last thing about the the girls basically is just that um, because we've already talked about Joey and Gail, um is Abby who gets kicked out by Gail because she's just And then has the nerve to say that to Gail about sleeping around. And yes. So oh my gosh, I can't imagine. Where did I I put a note on here when the girls were all just hashing it out right there in the living room. Abby being the pot stirring broom bride and witch she is. Gail cast around. But you know, we find her outside because supposedly her mom thought that she was spending the night, and she's whining about her boring life, and this felt like an extreme juxtaposition to Dawson and Jack, which I'll come to in a second. But I mean, Abby whining about her life has no drama, and her parents are normal, and her life is so boring because everything in her life is normal, so she just so I create drama. It's her extra it's an acceptable extracurricular activity. Yeah, no, that's it's absolutely so screwed up. But I I also cannot understand people, or especially girls who love drama, no offense. That's just not my. It I'll you want to tell me all about it? I want to hear all about it. I don't even care to hear about it. I just I I like to hear about it because it's not me. No. But you know, she's standing there or she's sitting there telling Abby. I mean she's Abby is telling Andy about it. And Andy's looking at her like, Are you for real right now? But you know, then her Abby's mom pulls up and they end up giving Andy a ride. But really, where was Andy's mom? Home by herself? Do they have somebody to come care for her at this point? Do we know if she stayed at home the whole time? Like, was she? Right, because both of them are gone. I don't know. I was wondering about that through some of it because I didn't realize that the girls actually did spend the night. That was something I didn't remember. I remembered that we were gonna be like seeing them have their little interview. Like I remembered bits and pieces of that. So I don't want to I know I said earlier that I didn't remember the girls, but I remember parts of it, but I forgot that they spent the night, and I forgot that Abby is outside the next morning. But I don't know. I mean I I was wondering the whole time, like, where is their mom? Maybe they have somebody to come help care for. I don't know. Now maybe they uh I don't know. It's behind the scenes, we don't know. But that's all I had to say about the girl. Yeah, yeah. Oh gosh. This is a Pacy Heavy episode when it's about the boys. It's more back it's more backstory of his life, which we already could have we we have, we have already assumed and used context clues based off of what he has said and other people have said and the way Doug has treated him. We've known what he's dealing with, but then to see it from a father, not just an older brother, but from a father. And it was it like his dad, the sheriff, he's a very tough, hard man. Um, and that could, you know, there's a way to play that that's just very drill sergeant and like tough and expects a lot. And then there's the the emotional and verbal abuse, and just your kid you he never feels like he can will amount to anything because of his dad. But there comes a point with with Pace, and it's through Andy, really, where he's gonna become something in spite of what his dad is saying about him. Right, and you can even see that already starting in this episode. I mean, down to the moment when he's outside on the beach having his big heart-to-heart moment with his dad, who is too drunk to stay coherent. Um I cried. Yeah, well, it it was it was a heavy scene. It was. It was. I mean, very emotional on top of it. Well, we see fine. I mean, you know, in other episodes, he's just he's kind of almost brushed it off of like that's my dad. Like, you know, or um the the episode where he was talking about his dad saying he would sign the papers for the emancipation, like that kind of thing. Not that he brushes off like he doesn't care, but we've already seen that it's starting to to weigh on him more and more and more. Now he like fully broke, it is actually affecting him, not just roll my eyes and this is what they think of me. It's like it hurts him. Well, furthermore, this has been done in front of his friends and Mitch at this point. Like there's been a lot of this that has been exposed or been visible, it's not just at home. Um, so I feel like there's optics to this that that make it even bigger or heavier or and even more than that though, he's seeing him treat Dawson and put Dawson on a pedestal. That all he wants is his dad to just say he's proud of him one time. He doesn't have to even be put him on a pedestal like he is Dawson. He just wants one I'm proud of you, son, unconditional, like not with the other things come going on. And he's having to watch how he just dotes on Dawson and and and it Jack is the one who even calls that out at the bar that night, and it's like he's having to see this. Your dad is do his dad is doing all this, you're the prodigal, I mean, you're the the genius, wonderkin is what Pacey says. Like yes, which you know just further underscores the the fact that Dawson just lives in his so self-absorbed world. He walks up to the boat, and I'm sorry for jumping ahead, and he finds Jack in his sleeping bag telling him that he doesn't feel good, and he's he's nauseous that he has been the since he first set foot on the boat, and Dawson is like saying something about, yeah, I know what you mean. I've wanted I felt like I wanted to throw up the whole time that I've been out here. And he's like, No, man, like I don't feel good. Yeah, yeah. This is this is not just like it makes me think you're here. This is yes, and he he has another comment where he asks Jack, where is your dad? Okay. Jack says he left us, and then Dawson says, I understand that. Jack's like, no, you don't. So I think I think what I like about this episode is kind of peeling back in more layers of like, okay, how Dawson feels about the things going on in his life, valid. I understand, like your parents, your mom cheated in a very scandalous way. Your dad doesn't work and has a dream for something, but doesn't fully know how to make this dream come alive. Now they're getting a divorce, your dad has moved out. You all his girlfriend and him broke up that he's whatever. Yeah, all these things, okay. I understand. To Dawson, this is such huge stuff. Cut two, we have Pacey, whose dad is just horrible to him all the time. Nobody believes in anything that Pacey does. Then you've got Jack, whose dad is not even there, and his mom is literally losing her mind. And him and his sister are taking care of her. You've got Andy, same situation as Jack. You've got Jen, who has her own demons and things that she deals with. Her grandfather just died. Joey, dad's in jail. And I know these are not things that you should just constantly hold on to and use on a whim, and like like Joey did that time. At least you have a mom. I I understand that. That's not what I'm saying. I just mean everybody, again, everybody has things that they're going through. Right. So none of it is like yours negates mine and this and that. Dawson can't see past his, though. Right. And and Dawson tries to equate his his whole situation, his life, to how absolutely rough things are for Jack. Yeah. Because Jack's like, dude, your dad left, but he moved up the street. Yeah. Mine's in a whole nother street. Bonding with you. Correct. He's mine is gone, gone, basically. And it to me, Dawson just literally, he, yes, we've said he's self-absorbed, but it's almost like he has little to no respect for anyone else's issues or problems being bigger than his because it's his world. Does that make sense? And even he can't even grasp that his dad is actually. I know I know we've said our things about Mitch, and he's not perfect, but his dad is present. His dad is there, and his dad wants to try, and he's, you know, he's not he's not doing what Mr. Witter's doing. He's not exhounding Dawson. He's actually being somewhat of a father figure. And he's not perfect. He moved out, but he's still involved in your life. He's still trying. But Dawson can't it's like he's in the situation, so he can't see the the situation for what it really is. And like he he's complaining about his dad to Pacey. I know. And he's still, he's even there with him and still is making excuses for Pacey's dad, and can't even see what's happening right in front of him. Until the very end of the episode, and I think all the things like hint the conversation with his dad, and and his dad's saying, I'm sorry that you're embarrassed or disappointed, whatever he said sitting there on the dock. I don't know if I can't remember if he said, I'm sorry you're embarrassed of me, or I'm sorry you're disappointed in me. I can't remember. But it it Mitch says that to Dawson because Dawson's asking him the questions about I thought you'd begin a job. I yeah, okay. Normal questions for a child. Well, I wouldn't say normal, but I see a child wanting to know, like, okay, Dad, what are your plans? Because you don't have a job. But I think some of it is rooted in worry, but some of it's rooted in embarrassment. I and so Mitch saying that, I think it hurts Mitch when he's doing everything he knows how to do to be a good, respectable father, but it's just not enough for Dawson. I think part of that conversation, and then the conversation with Jack and Jack talking about his dad literally just being gone, doesn't want to have anything to do with us, and then seeing, slowly seeing things with with um John Whitter at the end, and then when he sees that whole interaction between Pacey and his dad, and Pacey literally hangs his head. It was so sad. I think at the end, Dawson really did, it's like his eyes were open to things around him. Right. I mean, I think that it doesn't help Dawson in his case that if he's the one receiving the favor, to him, the world isn't so bad because again, he is so self-absorbed that he's not seeing other people's situation for what it is until the very end where he sees that. Yeah, I mean it shouldn't to me it's if okay. You've been friends with this person for so long, we're to assume their entire lives basically. You can't convince me that he hasn't been around Pacey's family at some point. You also have seen how Doug has talked to him. Um, you've heard what Pacey has said about the way his dad talks to him and the way what his family thinks of him. So constantly like negating everything that Pacey is saying, it's not that bad. He was clearly kidding, things like that. That doesn't help. No. And it really is gaslighting. Yeah, it's hurtful. I mean, you he just said in front of to you in front of Pacey that you can come back here and visit Pacey at whatever fast food restaurant he's working at. Like, well, first of all, like that is a shame. He's using that in a shameful and just despicable way because he'll make nothing of himself. And Dawson's gonna be this big shot. It's just show a little bit of the whole then the whole theme of the episode is respect. Because you don't have to be older to get to be the one getting respect. You can respect someone younger than you, you can respect your children. Yes. I mean you should respect everyone, period. Yes. Just human decency to just go into something with showing respect and getting respect. And then people show who that who they are, and I know that some of that respect can be taken away real quick, but it just it was I just feel for Pacy. Which I mean is is the point of the episode, truthfully. I know. Um but I thought Joshua Jackson has never looked better. I will say that him on that boat taking charge, his gray sweatshirt and that jacket up, his little sunglasses, never looked better. I thought he looked hot. And I say that with confidence because he was in his 20s, so I can say that. I'm not saying a 16-year-old, I'm saying Joshua Jackson was. Yeah, I just love him. I I'll say it every episode, I don't even care. I love him. I thought he looked good in this one. I just think his swagger is I know. Pacey is coming into his own. He is, he is. Now, just on a lighthearted note, I did want to at least bring up the whole Jack showing up late. Everything is just just disheveled life vest on one shoulder and hanging off the other because he ain't put it on yet, but he's the only one on the boat wearing one. Oh my gosh. And then Dork, he's got it on. Okay, the conversation with him and Dawson. I know. He's like, You even then, I didn't even catch this. Even then, he's like, You you better respect me. Yes, he said that. I looked at you, and then he gets up and he takes up. I didn't get my words together. I didn't clock the respect in that conversation at the point. Because he said, if you respect Joey, you better respect. We should have counted every time they said respect. What's the respect count on this one? I don't know. I don't want to know. But he he says it just was so okay. I want to talk about this conversation. I didn't like it, it was weird. Yeah, but um I can only imagine, okay. Uh this is where I take Dawson's side on this one because if I couldn't take it seriously. If let's just put ourselves up in this situation, let's say that I was dating somebody, and like we're strangers, okay? And then we break up, and then you come into the picture and you're dating them, and then we're thrown onto a boat together, and you come up to me and say, if you respect them, you'll respect me. I think that I would have laughed right in your face, like absolutely not. I do not have to. No, I don't even know you. It was just so like I can respect that person, but I don't know you, so you don't get my respect just because of association here. My thing is, I personally try to respect everyone, but if you walk up to me demanding respect like that, okay, I'm sorry, but you you probably gonna get a few laughs and ha ha's in your face because you you will respect me because I'm with this person. Well, no, it's you better respect me. You bet you better go get that life jacket, buddy. There was no, um I'm just gonna be honest. If if Pacey had been holding that conversation, he would have come across and delivered it with a little more power behind it that might have been like, oh, okay, I've I better respect you. But there is none, there's no authority behind his voice. He does not say it with his chest. It's like there was something else, I don't remember, so I want to I don't remember something else that was like, oh, I don't like when you say that. There's a few things, but this um this episode, because I know the next few, I know what's coming, and so I know we're s I think Pacey is going to start over the next few episodes, he's gonna internalize all of this pent-up emotion with his dad and how other people are making him feel about himself, and it is going to explode in a few episodes. It is. I think I vaguely remember that episode, but I like it. I I like it, and I'm just here to say four episodes before it happens, I'm team pacey. I'm fully team pacey. Well, the characters in the show are not team pacey when it comes to this situation, and it makes me mad. I hear you. So we might have a debate or a discussion. I'm not sure how you'll feel about it. I don't know if you even remember it, but anyways. I think I vaguely, I mean, I remember, let's put it this way, I remember some kind of like a feeling or something resonates, the thought of him exploding, but I I can't remember what happens. So Well, we'll get there, but I just my last thought to bring up was you know, when Jack has shown up and Dawson looks up and sees him as like, oh, you've gotta be kidding me. And go ahead, sorry. Nothing then we see Dawson at the back of the boat looking at the dock as it's oh my gosh, drifting away, and there's there's this. He's literally looking over. Yes, yes, there's this moment of contemplation of life, and this is my last chance. I I can I can make it right. Yeah, I I think I've got just enough time. I can I can just skip this. I can just skip this. But then he okay, so he goes after Pacey's dad has just reamed him out because he put the wrong pole on the wrong side of the boat. Yeah. Dawson runs up because again, Dawson's world is the most important, and he's like, I can't believe you didn't tell me he's coming. Pacey doesn't f go off in that moment. He's like, I know, I'm I'm real sorry, you know. And he says, Andy is wanting me to include him. He's trying to explain. And then Dawson's like, I get that, but you still should have told me like you should have told him about tomorrow? Yeah. I mean, like, there there's a few things that that Dawson's neglected to share. Stop for a second, look and see. Your friend's life does not revolve around you. He's got things happening too. Yeah. Bottom line here is just be kind. Respect is a whole different subject. Yes. But just be kind. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's that whole you never know what anyone's going through. So just be nice to people. And he doesn't know the full extent of what Jack and Andy are going through, but he knows the stuff with their mom. So just be right, but I even almost wonder like how much of that is just what he's been told. Because I don't he hasn't seen it. Well, yeah, he's not. No, no, no. No. So I mean, obviously, Pacey would know more because Pacy's dating Andy. He still may not know that their dad is not there, but he should know. I've never heard about their dad, they've never talked about him. I'm kind of wondering if he's even there, which hmm, would mean that these two teenage kids are taking care of their mom. Now that's a lot of that's a whole lot of. I don't think that his brain even calculates any of that. No, can't. This was the first time that we see Pacey's dad. We've heard about him, but this is the first time we actually meet him. And you know what? A lot of shows, when you don't see a character pretty regularly, they change the actor because they can't get him back or whatever. Um, you know, no judgment. This one does not. He is his dad, no matter when he shows up. That's good. Same with Joey's, like they don't recast. I like that. I can appreciate it. You know, because we don't see him as often. Now, Bodhi did get recast at some point, but I won't lie. That's something that bothers me is that he's not around. Oh no. Oh, recasting, sorry. It's like, me too. Yeah, Bodie, come back. I mean, I just don't like you have a new baby at home. Yeah, wherever you're yeah, seriously. I've I've been wondering about him a little bit, but you know, Bessie and Joey, they they got it, they're holding down food. But no, I mean, I I can't stand it personally when they recast. I mean, sometimes it's for the better, but a lot of times it's like and sometimes it's because it gives me. But I'm like, if you if if it requires recasting, just write them out because it bothers me. Agreed. It it bothers me. Figure something out. My continuity brain is like, you know, screaming when that happens. I just look at them and go, okay, you tried to pick somebody that looks similar enough, but you really think we're dumb enough to fall for that? We're not stupid. Yes, absolutely. Um, I'm not going there with the movies because of that whole scene in Dawson's room. Oh no, we're not. No, thank you. There were a couple that are actual legit movies, but anyways. Um, do you want to play a game?

unknown 42:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:40

We only have one. One on the random wheel for right now. We'll spin, we'll restock it after this one. Um, it's rapid fire. This is gonna be difficult for you, I know. Let me pull in my rapid fire questions here, and I'll answer two. This is a mix of Dawson's Creek Rapid Fire and 90s. Just the 90s.

SPEAKER_02 43:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 43:10

So we'll just do a few, we'll do five of each this time. Okay, and we'll change them up the next time it's picked. Okay, first of all, I feel like I know this answer. Not I feel like I do know this answer, but team Dawson or Team Pacy? Team Pacey. For sure. Yeah. Most annoying, annoying character. In Dawson's Greg, Abby. Oh, yeah, okay. I sometimes I would say Dawson, but Abby for sure is like a consistent. She gotta go. She gotta go. She will soon. Okay. Um gosh. Okay, Joey Potter, relatable or frustrating? That depends. On the episode. I feel like overall relatable. Yeah. That can still be frustrating at times, though. It's a little both, honestly. That's what yeah. Most unrealistic storyline to this point. That one's kind of tough. Unrealistic. Mine would be Tamara and Pacy, not the actual them getting together. That's realistic. It happens. Look at that. It's the fact that when even a rumor was come out about it, no type of investigation was done. She just left. Yeah. Of her own. Yes. And got another job. I was gonna say that, but at the same time, just like you said, unfortunately. Yeah, them being together happens. That's not the unrealistic part. It's the how it all transpired after the fact. Right. I totally agree. Um I mean, honestly, that was my first thought.

SPEAKER_00 45:04

Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 45:07

Last Dawson's Creak one was Dawson a good friend in this episode. So far in this show. In some ways, he's getting better. I do think he's getting better. Better than season one, Dawson. I do. I agree. Okay. 90s. Ready? I don't know. I lived under a rock growing up, so go ahead. AOL instant messenger or phone calls? Aol. AOL. Although, once it was like after 7 p.m. and calls were free, I did have a phone in my room. That was funny. I had that too. Okay. Tamagotchi or Game Boy? Game Boy. Oh, well, I didn't call it a Tamagotchi. It was a gigapit. No, I didn't have one. I mama said no. Mine all died or ran away. That's unfortunate. I had a complex amount. I I still have Game Boy games that I found recently. I mean, I had both. I had a Game Boy too. I loved my Game Boy, but I did you only have one or did you have a couple? Oh, I had a couple. And then we had all the different bags that you could like. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Same. Yeah. Okay. Scrunchies or butterfly clips? Both. I'm going butterfly clips only because I have some right now that I have recently worn. Like my grandmother used to get the ones that had the spring wings. Yes. Oh. Oh, yes. When you walk. Oh, yeah. They just. Yeah. That's so funny. Um VHS or DVD? That depends. We're probably DVD. Truthfully. I, you know what? I have to say VHS because I have so many VHS tapes still that I love like from childhood that I went and bought a VCR in the past 15 years or so. And like I couldn't find one, not even like on Amazon, just a plain VCR. I had to get the double. Yeah. So I have to go with VHS for that, just because of that situation. Right. But I personally appreciate that a whole movie can fit on a DVD.

unknown 47:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:18

And you don't have to rewind? Yeah. Yeah. And just zip zip zip zip with a button. I mean, you can use a button to rewind, but it ain't the same. Yeah. Um, ooh. Did you have posters on your wall? Of horses. I used to buy the posters at the reading fair. Yeah. And I'd put those on my wall. I didn't like take them out of magazines or anything. Um, but I would buy them at the reading. Okay. CD player or walkman. I didn't have a walkman. C D player. C D player. I didn't have a walkman. Oh, I that thing went everywhere. I did. I was obsessed with music though. Well, and I'm not really, but but I had my CD player and I would listen in the car and I would be singing along. And I will never forget. I had a friend when they were like going shopping or something, and my mom turned around and goes, Who sings that? I was so confident. I was I don't remember who I said. But anyways, I know what's coming. Yeah, she said, you should let them do it. No, I went everywhere. I had so I had a Waltman, and then I even had like I had portable radio headsets that were dad's, but I would borrow them. And then I accidentally it fell off my head into the creek and got ruined and I tried. Yeah. We've got creeks on our property. No, I'm just talking about Dawson's Creek. Oh, yes. Well, one of the ears went out and I didn't immediately tell dad, but he figured it out and we had a conversation about it. And I apologize. And I I didn't get in too much trouble. But anyway, the back to the point though, I had the CD player, right? It eventually got a CD player that I could um or that had the anti-skip. And buddy, I put that like through the ringer because it would ride in a backpack while I was outside playing or running around with the kids on the street or in the woods or whatever I was doing. Last one. Disney or Nickelodeon. Oh Disney. I never got to watch Nickelodeon. I was Nickelodeon. Good for you. Okay, MVP moment of the episode. I unfortunately am gonna give this to Dolphin at the very end where he goes to Pacey. I'm going Gil and Joey.

SPEAKER_00 49:43

Yeah, that too.

SPEAKER_01 49:45

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