Are We Supposed to Take This Seriously? (Dawson’s Creek 2x18)

Season 2, Episode 18 gives us chaos, comedy, and a surprising amount of emotional weight—all wrapped up in one very eventful Capeside wedding.

In this episode, Joey’s world is shaken when her father returns to town after being paroled, bringing big ideas (and bigger concerns) about expanding the Ice House into a wedding venue. That decision pulls everyone into the mix, turning the gang into last-minute wedding staff… which goes about as smoothly as you’d expect.

We break down the absolute comedy of errors that unfolds—Dawson and Jack trying to calm a panicking bride, Pacey and Andie scrambling to fix a wedding cake disaster, and the general feeling that nothing is going according to plan. Meanwhile, Andie and Pacey find themselves on completely different pages about weddings, Joey is struggling with what her father’s return means, and things get even messier when Mitch shows up with Nicole—triggering tension that no one is ready for.

And of course, we have Jen and Abby fully embracing chaos, crashing the wedding for their own agenda… which starts off wild and funny, but takes a turn that shifts the tone of the entire episode.

On a rewatch, this episode feels like a blend of lighthearted disaster and serious turning point. We talk about family, trust, relationship expectations, and how quickly things can go from fun to something much heavier.

 Follow & Listen:

Make sure you’re following the podcast on Spotify so new episodes drop right into your feed. If you’re enjoying the rewatch, leaving a rating or review really helps support the show.

 Watch on YouTube:

You can watch full episodes and extra content on YouTube, where reactions, expressions, and all the chaos play out in real time.

 Find Us on Social Media:

We’re sharing clips, polls, hot takes, and behind-the-scenes content throughout the week. Come hang out with us and join the conversation.

Season two of Dawson’s Creek proves that even the most chaotic, funny episodes can carry real consequences—and this one definitely leaves a mark.

Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:00

I gotta say this.

SPEAKER_01 0:01

What Bessie's hair looked like the mayor of Hooville.

SPEAKER_03 0:08

You know what I'm talking about? Can you picture it? Yes, I can. She looked like the mayor of Huville. And it didn't come to me like who exactly she looked like.

SPEAKER_02 0:15

I I the first time she came out the kitchen with that hair to on this episode.

SPEAKER_04 0:21

I was like, oh, this is this is bad. But when Joey and their dad were dancing and she comes from out of the kitchen, that's when I went, Mayor of Piville. Yes. That's what she looks like. If only her nose was like pinned up, she would look like that character from the Grinch. It just was cracking me up. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 0:39

In the case. Well, Abby's hair in this episode was pretty awful.

SPEAKER_01 0:45

Random pigtails or just ponytails everywhere.

SPEAKER_03 0:48

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:49

Don't speak ill of the dead.

SPEAKER_03 0:53

Excuse you. Finally. Okay. Welcome to Press Play again. Two roommates, one remote. Why did I do that again? Oh no. What the heck? I didn't even think about it. I don't know where that came from.

unknown 1:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:12

Welcome to Press Play again. Two roommates, one remote. The reward. Holy tongue twister. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:27

Welcome to Press. Jesus have mercy, please.

unknown 1:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:33

We're gonna get it together.

SPEAKER_03 1:52

Welcome to Press Play Again, Two Roommates, One Remote, the rewatch podcast where we dive back into the shows and movies we couldn't stop talking about in college and probably still can't. We're your hosts, Anna and Megan. Two roommates with one remote, ready to laugh, debate, and maybe get a little too nostalgic as we revisit the classics and discover a few new favorites along the way. So grab your popcorn, press play, and hang out with us as we rewind it off episode by episode, movie by movie. Okay, so the synopsis for episode 18. With Joey's father back in town after being paroled from prison, he persuades Bessie to expand the ice house to cater weddings. Needing help, they enlist the services of the gang as of the gang ass staff. Andy tells Pacey that she hates weddings, but he loves them, while Joey doesn't think her ex-confather should be seen around Capeside. In a comedy of errors, Jack and Dawson battle to help a scared bride, Andy and Pacey scramble to fix the wedding cake, while Mitch shows up with his new girlfriend. That's probably a stretch, the word girlfriend. Nicole Kennedy, making Gail sad and Dawson angry. Also, the troublemaking Jen and Abby crashed the ceremony to steal some food and liquor for another night out, which eventually leads to tragedy. So from the last episode, we went on a bit of a hiatus. So that makes more sense for that cliffhanger of Joey's dad coming back. Because that was March 10th. This episode aired on April 28th. So went on a bit of a hiat hiatus in 1999. It has a popularity rating of five out of 128. Interesting. And an IMDB user rating of 33. That's kind of surprising to me. Okay. Well, we got rid of somebody. I guess it made people happy. I mean, I'm not trying to speak ill of the dead, but I am glad that she's finally gone. I know.

SPEAKER_04 3:47

I know. But it's still a long time before we get rid of that negativity because Jen spirals after this.

SPEAKER_03 3:57

Yeah. But okay, I just want to start with those two because Jen, I don't know if if things it couldn't have aired, I mean it couldn't have been filmed in a different order because of Joey's dad coming back. But no. Jen, this back and forth and her personality of of being helpful and kind to Graham's, but then also being still being friends with dogs. This episode she acts like she can't stand any of them. I I it's not like whiplash again of her personality.

SPEAKER_04 4:32

So yeah, she's so bored of this place and she needs something to do.

SPEAKER_03 4:36

So of course she's gonna go to Abby, who she has barely spoken to in several episodes. I don't know if because there was like this hiatus, if we're just to somehow track that she's gotten bored in the last X amount of time that we're too. And when it was in the past, like we've watched it back to back.

SPEAKER_04 4:59

It's easier for us to pick up on continuity errors or timeline errors or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 5:05

Then even if it was once a week, it'd be easier to go, yeah, there's just old Jen and Abby again, even though they haven't even hung out. And especially this being over a month since the last episode, it is just something that probably as you're watching it live, you wouldn't have even thought about. But me, I'm like, they have not even hung out, and Jen has has actually hung out with well, Dawson, I guess.

SPEAKER_04 5:30

She's been in class with him and helped on his movie and stuff, but she hasn't. I don't know. It's just it's a lot of things. It did feel out of place. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 5:39

But I do have a s a small note. Okay. But I mean it's not a big deal, but I just made a note that at least Abby heard the sweetest thing anyone has ever heard to her or heard said to her before she died. And that was from Jen in the hallway. That when Jen was thinking back when she was saying how bored she's been and all that mess, how um when she's been thinking back to her best nights in the last year that they've all been with Abby. And she's like, Oh, I think that's the sweetest thing anyone's ever heard or ever said to me.

SPEAKER_01 6:17

The the uh when they're hanging out at Jen's house while everyone else is at the wedding, it's so awkward. The the awkward dancing, and it's so strange. I can't handle it.

SPEAKER_03 6:33

No. And then when Abby mocks Grams, her voice was spot on the way. It was, but that was uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_04 6:43

It was it was rude, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:46

But then we uh Jen finds out. I'm sorry, Abby finds out where ever where the rest of the nerd squad is, and um notice she doesn't call Dawson.

SPEAKER_04 6:58

She says Dawson and the rest of them, but this kind of makes me think of when she was trying to flirt and and get cozy with Dawson and get friendly with Dawson. I think she kind of likes him a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 7:10

Yeah, but it's been a minute. Yeah, well, it's been a minute since these two have hung out. Yes, which basically she complains to Jen about that. She makes a comment. Jen makes the comment that they didn't even think to invite me to this wedding to say about it. Well, you're not making an effort to be friends with them either. Joey didn't invite any of the others, she mentioned it mentioned it to Jack, and Jack said, I'll be there. And Jack went around to Dawson and Pacey. Andy's there because Pacey then turns and tells her about it. So you're not in this friend group at this moment because you're so bored. So no, nobody's going out of their way to tell you when you act like you don't want to be around any of them. Right. I mean, I I mean, if if it was up to Joey to come up with help for this event, I don't know. I don't foresee Joey running out to go ask Jen. No. Truthfully. No. And it doesn't really seem like Joey asked that many people. It kind of seemed like Jack did more to get help. So again, I don't see Jack running out to go and ask Jen. He's barely had conversations with Jen. Correct. Yeah. No. So they end up crashing this wedding though. Oh god. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 8:35

Because basically, for the thrill of it, I think Abby is just always looking for something she's not supposed to do. Yeah, she's chasing the plot.

SPEAKER_03 8:42

So yeah, so they show up and they're just standing in the corner drinking free champagne. Yes, getting tipsy. And Andy tries to kick them out. Oh my gosh, Andy is brave, honestly. She is. If I'm gonna be honest, if it was me and I saw that I needed to confront Abby Morgan about this after how horrible she's been, I probably would go the other way and just let somebody else do it.

SPEAKER_02 9:07

Just leave it up to somebody else.

SPEAKER_01 9:09

Or I might go tell Bessie or some I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 9:12

I would not do it.

SPEAKER_03 9:13

But Andy is brave and she's like, you can't be here. And you know that that makes me question or leaves me with questions. It's probably a better way to say it with Andy sometimes. It's like where she can go from I don't want this is probably a harsh word. She can be such a weenie sometimes to just y'all need to leave. You can't be here. It's invitation only, and yeah, you know, confronting them about drinking and stuff like that. It's just yeah, and kicks them out. I mean, yeah, literally grab walks them out, like gotta go.

SPEAKER_00 9:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:51

It just it still goes back to, you know. Don't they say that she has bipolar or something? Well, Abby says something about have you been maybe you need to take more of that medicine. She makes yeah, the the mood stabilizers comment. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about in back when Andy is seen and given her diagnosis.

SPEAKER_00 10:12

Maybe I think the bipolar was one of them.

SPEAKER_03 10:15

Yeah, yeah. Uh-huh. Um Andy, this I honestly, this episode is kind of where I am losing Andy or Andy's losing me.

SPEAKER_04 10:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:28

I'm just I'm past it a little bit because while I like the characteristic of Pacey that he is taking care of her and he wants to protect her, and it's like he he also just needs somebody who can just be level-headed, and not where he's having to constantly take care of this person or bring them back down to earth or stabilize them, or he doesn't need that long term. Nobody does, nobody does, correct. And so this is where she's starting to lose me, and her just flailing her arms everywhere. I mean I told you there's there's moments that I can get wound up and I too can I know get a little spastic, but I I just it it this is where she's losing me though, yeah, which is really like it tracks with what else is gonna come, like it tracks how she's losing me, honestly. Well, uh I wrestle with her whole angle on not believing in marriage, with her history or her her saying and talking all the time about, you know, how she grew up and how wholesome and nurturing it was for her growing up.

SPEAKER_04 11:57

But it doesn't fit with her personality whatsoever.

SPEAKER_03 12:00

It doesn't. But I mean I understand that it had to be written this way so that they could kind of play that it feels very backwards that it's Pacey that loves it. Right. And she doesn't. Yes, but they they need that argument for of a theme of this. But it it does come out that she actually really does love them. Oh, well, of course, and you know, they get to talking about their future wedding in Venice.

SPEAKER_04 12:29

That felt that was such a weird.

SPEAKER_03 12:31

It was, and you could read Pacey. He was I know, but I didn't know I didn't know how to read his face, to be honest. To me, it was a it was a check. It was a Okay, see, for me, I I see that for sure, but then part of me wonders is he just one is he just kind of hesitant because they come from two different classes, because he's already made that comment about weddings in my family. I didn't take that. And now she and she's from a wealthy, which I know it's not as what it seems on the outside with her family, but she does come from a different class a little bit, and so her saying we're gonna get married in Venice, it's like who is? Yeah, who's paying for that? Right. Yes, but okay, his his whole MO from the beginning of the episode is that he's gonna get her to come around to weddings and marriage, okay. What could have been a clear moment of like, I got her, the bet is over, you know, because he tells her that if you're not fully convinced by the end, you can have all the money that they're being paid to help out. That could have been a full moment of him like got her, but it wasn't. And I mean it the writing is already on the wall, and and honestly, I've been seeing him kind of slightly I don't want to say fully pulling back, but do you get what I'm saying? Yeah, it's not like it was in the beginning, no, or even just a few episodes. Even when she says we're when we get married, our wedding's gonna be a bit the way she said it was very childlike, or just a little out there. I didn't like it. No, I didn't this is probably harsh, but it had a a slightly cuckoo element to it. It did, it was it was it it didn't fit, and it I'm sure it's not supposed to. Yeah, well but yeah, nah. I think we read it the way we were supposed to, one way or the other, yeah. And like how we're so how it it's how we're supposed to feel about her progressing going going forward.

SPEAKER_04 14:51

I really do think we're on the right track with that.

SPEAKER_03 14:53

Yeah, I mean I did get tickled at them trying their best to salvage the top layer of the wedding cake that she knocks off. They're in charge of the wedding cake. Dawson's why did anybody put them to that job?

SPEAKER_04 15:08

Well, I don't know, but who else are you gonna put on it?

SPEAKER_03 15:10

Dawson would have been better. Dawson and Jack, because also Jack is clumsy, she put them in groups. Oh, yeah, they were in groups.

SPEAKER_04 15:18

So obviously the McPhee family is full of kluts. That's what well and spastic klits because Andy was just flailing her arms trying to make a point about weddings, and that's how that happened. But it was really funny when they come back out at the end with the cake on the cart, and she's she starts to and he's and then she tries to pick it up to put it on, and he stops and says, I'll do that.

SPEAKER_01 15:42

Yes, it was I mean, who would have known who would have thought that Pacey would be yeah, because he had clumsy moments himself.

SPEAKER_03 15:49

Yep, it it's true though, there's moments that somebody has to step up and rein themselves in. And to me, that was one of those moments. And Pacy. Yeah, I love him. I really do.

SPEAKER_01 16:05

I really do.

SPEAKER_03 16:05

I I even made a note that I mean, I know I mentioned Pacey looking handsome in the last couple episodes. Dawson has even looked, I think, handsome in the last couple of years. I completely agree. I really think that this is one we've said this several times this season. This to me was one of his better episodes, too, though. Yeah, just in in every conversation he had, even when he would have a conversation with Jack or um when he hurt would hear something he didn't necessarily like or it made him feel a certain way, it's still the way he was restrained a little bit. Because it would just a few episodes ago, Dawson would have reacted to Joey in a different way when she said she went to Jack and he calmed her down. But Dawson is really showing restraint and taking what is being said to him and figuring out a way to do better. Yes. Because after he Joey says to him, Jack has a way of just calming me down, and then he saw it with his own eyes with the bride. So then he asks Jack, How do you do that? Right. Jack gives an answer, and then Pay I love Bayes. Dawson takes all of this information, and the next time he approaches Joey and he sees that she's upset, he puts that into action, and it really does work. And it's just a slow, it's a slow, gentle way that he's talking to her that's saying, like, basically, without saying this in exact words, I know you, I see you, I know exactly how you're feeling. He really, you know, in other episodes it would be this is what you should do, this is how you should act, because he has such a cloud of positivity all the time. That I think this is what I thought when she found Jack at school that morning, um, the morning after her dad was there, and she he can tell something's wrong, and she finally says, lays it all out there about I haven't seen him in three years, I don't know him. And I I felt that felt her pain, felt her hesitation, all of that. But I think that at one point, if this had been Dawson a few seats a few episodes ago, absolutely would have been like, well, give him a chance.

SPEAKER_02 18:17

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 18:18

Even when they went to visit him in prison that episode, it was very, he's trying, he wants to know you, Joey. He wasn't he wasn't listening to how Joey was feeling. I think this episode and and in the past few where he he has been showing that he's trying to actually hear the words that she's saying. Right. He's learning how to absorb process, and then like the word is escaping me, but much I can't find the word. Well, he's listening to responding to listen first instead of listening just to respond in that moment. It's like he's he's listening, absorbing it, and then figuring out what needs to be said in that moment. I don't know. I just the whole him, him and Joey in this episode, I was on board for. I even was rooting for the kiss at the end, honestly. I was like, okay, we have made it to this point, we have gotten back together, and it does feel like this is the right time for them. You know, if we're watching it in just this moment and not further down the road. Like it's like, okay, it's not him forcing the issue anymore. It felt very natural. She we have seen because he hasn't seen the work she's been doing lately where she has been having this inner battle of, I think I want to get back with him. I think he doesn't know that she's also been feeling this way. We've gotten the privilege of seeing both sides of it without him forcing it on her and pushing her further away. She's been dealing with it on her own, and now they've just naturally come back together because she sees he really was trying to be a good friend. It wasn't him saying all this to her with hopes of gaining her back as a girlfriend. Right. There was no prerogative behind this, yeah, it was just a good friend. Yeah. It was a really interesting there.

SPEAKER_04 20:14

Well, yeah, because he does love her. He's in love with her.

SPEAKER_03 20:16

Yeah, they tell each other that they love each other. Yeah. And but you know what? When they said it, when they're dancing and she looks at him and says, Thank you for putting up with me for 16 years and being a good friend to me. When they said I love you, it felt like they were saying it to friends. Like, I love you. Like I have known you forever and I love you. I know they kissed after it because they still have those feelings, but to me, when I heard it, I heard it as friendship, like a deep friendship. I mean, I heard that part of it, but to me it still had an element of the romantic side. I agree because we know that they both still actually want to be together. But but when they said the words out loud, it just it felt like because she said it first. Well, it helps that the song in the background is, you know, home to me, so or feels like home to me. Uh honestly though, let's also discuss the fact that there were lots of iconic songs in this episode, including Kiss Me earlier on. But it really was like I kept having to check myself and think, am I sitting here watching How to Lose a Guy in Ten Days or am I watching this episode? Because a lot of the songs in the soundtrack were in this episode. Both of those are in How to Lose a Guy in Ten Days.

SPEAKER_04 21:42

I just love I really do love the Dawson's Creek soundtrack because it does feel so nostalgic in like the nineties and early two thousands.

SPEAKER_01 21:51

Yes, lots of alternative rock. It was good. It made me start tearing up.

SPEAKER_03 21:56

I mean, when you score something so Well, that articulates the point or the message or the moment almost better than what you're actually watching on screen. Yeah, because they feel like home to each other. Well, it's just it's the power of music. But uh what I like too is in that scene where they've come back together, the parents are watching it and smiling. Jack is watching it and smiling because he knows this is what she's wanted to. She just didn't know how to get back to it.

SPEAKER_02 22:27

And same with Dawson, obviously, everyone knows that.

SPEAKER_03 22:30

I just thought it was really sweet that everybody is in there, and Bessie. Well, Bessie comes out and sees her and her dad. Yeah. It just was a really sweet where everybody's kind of looking on, and this felt like it could have been a season finale. Oh, it's completely what happens at the very end. Yeah. Honestly, shows today that would have been a season finale, and we would have had to wait. A million percent. Um, but I mean, I I really appreciated that we had this build-up with her dad first, you know, and he comes out in his tucks or suit or whatever. Sweetest because he first says no, he's not ready to go out. I mean, he's just basically she's laid it out on the table to him, having this heart-to-heart, about how, you know, she's had these reservations, but that she is glad that he's home and that she loves him. And then he gets cold feet and kind of backs out saying that he's not ready. Well, I wrote down which one thing she said to him. She said, projecting strength to the outside. Well, this could go with any of these characters, be honest. Yeah, projecting strength to the outside world is one thing, and then she goes on to say, you don't have to protect me, like you don't have to do it to me.

SPEAKER_02 23:46

I and I don't I shouldn't have to do it to you. Like, we can be honest here.

SPEAKER_03 23:50

And it and then we don't have to pretend she wants to go out and dance, introduce them to her dad is what she says, and he's not ready because I because he did overhear her say all the things she said, yes, and he knows what people say about him, and he doesn't want to make it worse on himself or his daughters. But then when he comes out, I know she's standing there talking to Jack. Jack sees him first, it was so sweet because it it just really showed a lot of like intention behind he he wanted to look nice and look as good ass because his daughter deserved that. I know it was so sweet, and then you know, I thought it was very well observant of him to notice Dawson noticing her and you know, saying that I think there's somebody else that wants to dance with you. So he lets Dawson cut in and then he asks Gail to dance, who looks incredible, stunning. Gail looked hot. Oh she looked phenomenal. Let's just throw that word back out. Yes. I loved Gail in this episode, and and even in her tough moments, she still really carried herself well. Um okay, let's take it all the way back to the beginning. When she is telling Daws that he's let her watch his movie, she's telling him how great it is and and the how how um there's a it's moving. Right. And he because he still has a chip on his shoulder and he's still so deep in he can't yes, he is for sure. He says, You're just my mother. You're my mother, you're viral. I'm saying this because you're my mom. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:57

And so they have this conversation and and she asks about the newest teacher at his school being his dad.

SPEAKER_03 26:07

Right, but she tells him too though that the trick is to stay tenacious, yeah, among other really awesome words that she shares, because those come back around when Dawson gives them back to her on the dance floor.

SPEAKER_04 26:24

Dawson looking out for his mom this season has been one of his best qualities.

SPEAKER_03 26:28

Absolutely, and just seeing, like because season one, Dawson was so wrapped up in his own world he could not see the things around him. No, and she was painted in such a tough light anyway, because she was kind of the one at fault. Or not just kind of, but she was. Yes, and you know, but man, how quick it turned to where Mitch may have been the one that got cheated on, but I can't stand him. Oh, absolutely. I mean it it doesn't take much for anybody to switch a or flip a switch, you know. Yeah, anyway. But I just that was a really sweet moment because she's telling him that the secret or the key is to stay tenacious and to not let any minor setbacks be a setback, and that this is a very minor setback, and that it's only one opinion. So, you know, and she's she's moved to tears at the end of his movie. That's not phony, but you know, Dawson's so absorbed in in his own head with worrying about what other people think that he can't appreciate her feedback, and and it is his mom. So I think as a I get that I yeah, I was gonna say as a teenager, but even there's I think there's been moments like recently where I've told my mom, you're my mom, you're supposed to say that, things like that, or it's tough not to question that. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Do you really actually think it's good? Do you really enjoy it? Would you watch this if it wasn't me? Things like that. So I get that. But when the whole it's one opinion comes up, it takes it back to the teacher, which then leads into his dad being a sub, and she asks if he's enjoying it.

SPEAKER_02 28:19

And Dawson says, You miss him, don't you?

SPEAKER_03 28:23

And she says, Yes, more than ever. It's it's just like a really sweet, quiet moment. It is, and it's sad because you can tell that she still like carries it a little bit, that she knows she's the reason this is happening. But she was trying, she has been trying, and he just to me, he can say all the words of um, I you have to earn my trust back, this and that, but he really isn't trying to trust her again. To me, it's like an easy way for him to go and have his own fun right now. Yeah. I mean, honestly, it makes you wonder if Gail had never cheated, how long would they have lasted anyway? Because I mean, you don't just turn that stuff off overnight. Not that I've been through it to understand in that regard, but um you again, you don't just always flip a switch. Yeah. Well, yes, the new teacher that he is seeing, that he enjoy he she is a colleague, and Mitch enjoys spending time with her. Yeah. He walks into the wedding with her right after Gail has walked in looking beautiful. Glow. I mean, she is glowing. Yes, and she tells Dawson she's gonna get his dad back. And Dawson is like, do it. I know. Right then is when Mitch walks in, and Dawson sees him, Gail's behind him, and it's like mortification on both faces.

SPEAKER_04 30:05

He and he turns and sees that his mom is watching it all happen.

SPEAKER_03 30:09

It ugh. I thought it was shot really well, like where we can see her behind him. And Mitch looks sleazy walking in, like everything about him just has been. He knew his wife was gonna be there. Correct. And Dawson calls him out on that. Yes, he knew she was gonna be there. Why ask somebody you've known for maybe a week to this wedding? Well, okay, but it's been a few weeks between the last episode of this. We're not really told how long it's been in technically Cape Side. Well, it very soon because Joey says last night my dad showed up on my porch. Oh no what? You're right. So this is all within the same thing. That leaves me questioning again about Jen. You woke up and you're bored. Tragically bored and okay, never mind. I know the show gets on my nerves sometimes. But so Mitch barely knows this woman. So you're inviting her to this nice wedding that you and your wife have been invited to. You know she's gonna be there. It just felt very tacky and and inconsiderate. Okay, it it also leaves me questioning who were they closer to? Mitch or Gail? That both were invited on some level. And it's obviously somebody we don't know about that's just friends with Bessie. Uh-huh. Do you like the the distance between who these people are to these other people starts feeling a little too vast, other than the fact we need the plot. Yeah, you're right, right. You know what I mean? Yeah. Because the bride didn't even know who Dawson was. Correct. So it's not like the parents showed up as help. Yeah. But they were invited. Do you follow me? Like it didn't anyway. We're gonna poking holes in the ground.

SPEAKER_04 32:07

We're gonna go if they were close with the groom.

SPEAKER_03 32:11

I didn't even I wasn't even tracking it like that. I was just thinking, like, if it's Joey's family or a friend of the family, I don't know. Never mind. I'm I'm just over here poking holes. Right. It's a small town, so I guess I just think they're just like that's still the bride and groom's parents. I don't know. It's too big a stretch. It doesn't matter anyway. I don't know. I just the awkward moment was painful when Mitch and Nicole walk up. A snob. She was a huge snob. Well, I appreciate when you called her a snot when we were actually watching it. She really is. Yes. I mean, even when she was talking to Dawson, she acted like she had not just crushed his dreams the day before. If her nose was any higher, she'd drown when it rained, baby. I mean, that's disgusting. I did drown. Oh, good point. Full circle moment. Oh gosh. Don't be so insensitive to the dead. Um, so I backing up in just a bit, I forget every time I watch the show, I truly forget how good of a friendship Jack and Joey actually have. It's like I skip over that they became good friends after they stopped dating, and I immediately jumped to him and Jen. But Jack and Joey are good little friends, and he's very supportive of her. And I just forget how much fun they have together and and the the advice they give. I literally forget. It's like out of my brain. I gotcha. I don't know why. But I love it. This episode, I was like, I love when they were sitting on the bench and he's giving her advice. I loved it. Because he was not holding back.

SPEAKER_02 34:08

He was like, maybe this is too soon to be public to the w world of Cape Side at this wedding. And she's like, but I don't want to upset Bessie and him. He's like, Well, I'll be there.

SPEAKER_03 34:19

It was just a good, it was a sweet. I mean, he he looks out for. I mean, think about even the last episode where the photographer asks her to do this photo shoot, and he's like, You're not going by yourself. Exactly. I'm going with you. Yeah. You're like, protective friend. Mm-hmm. I I personally enjoyed their friendship. Me too. Me too. Not not in any comparison to Dawson. Not to hurt his feelings. No, but he you can see it on his face from the very beginning when Jack walks up to them in the hallway and that and he finds out from Jack that they need that Joey needs help and that Mr. Potter has gotten out of prison. You can see it on his face that wait, what he did. Well, I mean, an interesting thought crossed my mind. You know, she was headed to Dawson's house until he cut the light out. Had she stayed there, like had she gone up and potentially just stayed there, because she's done that a hundred times, she might not have known that her dad had come home. Yep. True. It's just a thought. But she went home. But then she goes to the ice house. Dawson does come there looking for I I liked that. I did too. You know, we I've said this over and over in other scenes, other episodes, the way he approaches her is so different. Right now, he uh in this scene of him going to the ice house, he approached her with such compassion and genuine concern of how are you doing with this? Well, I think he knew what that news meant and potentially how it could make her feel. So the weight behind that was pretty well scripted and portrayed on screen in my business. Yeah, I think James Vanderbeek did a good job of how he carried through this episode. Oh, sure. And even I I really started tearing up when he um side note, when him and his mom were dancing at the wedding. Oh yeah. That was so sweet. It that one teared me up, got me choked up. But um, yeah, James Vanderbeek, I think he did, I think this was a good episode. He did a stellar job.

SPEAKER_04 36:32

I think this whole season he's done some good work.

SPEAKER_02 36:36

He has really changed our tune on Dawson, so and we can credit that to him and the writing.

SPEAKER_03 36:43

Yeah. Because I think that James Vanderbeek playing it in certain ways has been a really game changer. But But we find out and can see that Joey ends up accidentally hurting his feelings by telling him, you know, that she had talked to Jack or Jack was able to kind of help settle her down or whatever she said, calm her down. And then they start to overhear the gossip at the table. Oh gosh. I feel Dawson's pain in this though, because there it it he is realizing that the person who has always come to him and he's always gone to is finding other people to confide in and find a safe space in. And right now, right now, at that age and in his own spiral, he can't see that she can have more than one of those people. It does not take away from what they have. He can't see that. But I get that because there's like a time, and I'll just use like when you move away from a place or you haven't seen people in a while, and you come back together, and then they start talking about this other friendship or this other relationship, or and there's like a pang that hits you involuntarily, it's not something you can control. Like when that gut punch happens, like oh, that used to be us. It's really, it's I get it. I completely understand the everything that cross all the emotions that cross across it come across his face. Absolutely. I mean, it's not necessarily jealousy driven, it's just uh like you've been replaced kind of a feeling. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's all coming to a head. What we've been seeing in the past few episodes, that he's really they both really want to get back to that friendship. Yes. That they had before.

SPEAKER_02 38:42

And I mean, yes, obviously he wants to he wants more than that. He's in love with her and her too. But they c they just can't get back to that same place.

SPEAKER_03 38:51

Well, we uh went through that in the end of season one. You can't go back. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 39:00

Excuse me.

SPEAKER_03 39:01

It doesn't work like that. No, but they never take the time to figure out this is what I said in the last episode why their relationship never fully sh is gets stronger is because they never figure out a new friendship level. It's like they they when they're trying to get back to their friendship, bam, they just get back together as boyfriend and girlfriend. It's like that doesn't work. Well, that's kind of the easy way. But it doesn't fix it. No. And it's not what they both really want. Whether they're able to understand that or admit that, that could be a little too mature. But they do end but they do in the episode kissing again. So are they back together? Are they not? Don't know. We'll see. But now we have come to the point where Abby Morgan is dead. Did you remember? Yes. Because while we've been doing this, you've made comments about Abby Morgan and like when she grows up. So I've so I've just kind of been like, No, because I forgot you watched this entire season. No, I knew something tragically happens to her. Okay, but like to think of her as an adult is a heinous idea that I am so thankful doesn't happen. Um, not to wish dead on anyone, but I mean she was a pretty ruthless character. Yeah. But when she hits her head and Jen starts clacking. I understand that too. That's what's really true drunk buzz moment. But I probably would have started laughing too if I saw that's my point, Hitcher. Right. Anybody would I would have been laughing at myself if it wasn't even just her hitting her head, she was hooked, she fell.

SPEAKER_01 41:01

Yeah, and then hit her head. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 41:04

So I get the cackling behind that.

SPEAKER_01 41:06

And then she off falls into the water, and that was really high up.

SPEAKER_03 41:15

It really was. Um It makes me wonder did she hit that so hard? If that could have like knocked her out.

SPEAKER_02 41:24

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 41:25

I don't know. I mean, I wondered how much the first head injury could have played into it, but it's probably a call a a combination of sure. It's it's to be implied. But at the same time, um I sat there and kind of wondered, how did Jen call 911? I maybe they heard her screaming and somebody. I I know it's it's not a big deal. And again, I'm not trying to sit here and poke all these holes in in the storyline and the plot, but I mean, when the ambulance drives off with Abby and a body bag, and it just leaves Jen standing there crying in the middle of the road with a blanket around her, because you know, she jumps in to try to save her, you know, it's and at what point did Jen get to get help? You follow me? Like I would assume that maybe she got Abby and dragged her out and then somebody called for help. I would hope so, but at the same time, it's like did I mean we're not supposed to ask. Did she start CPR or anything like that? No, that's too far too much. I know. I'm a paramedics kid. I can't help but think that's what you're supposed to do, you know, but we don't I just look at this and I constantly think about the fact that, you know, cell phones weren't what we have today. So, you know, I everybody has the ability to call 911 at any given time for the most part. Yep, today. It's just crazy. It's just crazy. And and okay, question. What if Jen had had a cell phone to call 911 at that moment? Could Abby have survived? You know what I mean? Like, I don't know because I really think the plot in the storyline is she's gotta go. Oh, she gotta go. But I think it wasn't just I think it was she her head a head injury. She'd been drinking. Yeah, a head injury, a fall from that height, probably knocked her out, added to the whatever was already happening, and then she just drank water in her lungs. I don't I don't know. They could in the next episode, they could give us more detail of what caused her death. I don't remember. I can't imagine what that would be like to be Jen in that situation where you it was the two of you, it wasn't anybody else around.

SPEAKER_02 43:53

Yeah. You think that it's all jokes and it's just and then tragedy strikes. Like, I can't imagine. And and Jen clearly doesn't know how to handle it because she will spiral too. It's gonna be pretty bad.

SPEAKER_03 44:05

But how could anybody at that age? I don't know if I could now. It would be hard to process of like how I'm supposed to move forward from this. But and it's not even just how am I supposed to, it's how do their family, how does this how do we where do we go from here? I didn't appreciate how Mitch got so defensive when Dawson pulled him over to the side and was like, well, if your mother has a problem with me bringing somebody, nobody said it was just Gail. No, and you can get your head out of your rear end, yes, thinking that any is acting like a child.

SPEAKER_02 44:40

He is acting like a child.

SPEAKER_03 44:41

Yes. But he also then tries to say something about well, I I never I didn't mean to put you in the middle of it to Dawson. And Dawson's like, um, you did when you started dating one of my teachers. And he has from the beginning. Exactly. Put him in the middle. Between the two of them, any of it. He is he Yes, definitely. Mitch needs to man up. Yes, he needs to grow up and yeah. Okay, I did want to at least talk about the bride for a second. Oh, okay, yeah.

unknown 45:13

God bless.

SPEAKER_03 45:14

And poor Dawson walks walks in to check on her or something, and oh, she is having a meltdown that she does not know if she is about to make the worst decision of her life. And she's like, I just need to open the window and run away.

SPEAKER_01 45:32

And he says that you're he's like, but you're getting married. You should don't you already know this?

SPEAKER_03 45:40

Like right, and I'm I'm sorry, but if you're having those kinds of thoughts on your wedding day, that's a problem. You have you have either bleached the red flags white, or you have been so colorblind you didn't see them. I just I don't know. And then well we wish them a happy marriage. Yes, we do, but it it I had so many feelings about this couple that they're really irrelevant, I realize. But you know, you got Andy who knocks off the top layer or the you know the the top of the cake, which is supposed to be what did she yes, because it but it's supposed to be a a representation or it's whatever of their marriage because at a year later they're supposed to take it out of the freezer and eat it. But meanwhile, sh Andy and Pacey are trying to reconstruct it and not well, might I know and you know Andy's spiraling about the bad omen that this is for them, and I mean granted, it is kind of like a parallel to it gets scooped up and saved the same way that Jack kind of comes in and scoops up the situation with the bride and is like, I bet that he loves you. I bet that he loves it's your wedding day. I would hope he did not propose if he did not love you.

SPEAKER_05 47:11

There's been questionable people I know that Jack is trying, he's trying.

SPEAKER_03 47:17

The whole soulmate conversation continues to come into the storyline of this show, and it will forevermore. But the the faces that Dawson makes in some of those scenes is so perfect, yeah, so good.

SPEAKER_02 47:34

It really was nailed it.

SPEAKER_03 47:36

It's just like it's little little twitches of his eyes or micro expressions, but it was it was perfection. Yes, it was. I don't know how to pick apart where my MVP moment is, but I think overall I'm gonna have to go with Dawson in this episode. Just the whole, yeah, him his whole I thought in the opening scene that I was gonna have to call Gail just because of the way she tries to help redirect his spiraling. But I think that the bigger picture is Dawson because I mean he even lays down his own pride and everything else when he admits his complexes to Jack about Jack. Yeah, asking how do you do that? So I think my MVP for this one's gonna have to be Dawson. I'm not sure. Because part of me wants to give it to um Casey and Andy saving the wedding cake.

SPEAKER_02 48:50

Is it funny? Like they did it, they pulled it off. Um, but then part of me wants to give it to Joey, just in how vulnerable she has to be with her dad, once again, like in season one.

SPEAKER_03 49:00

And just yes, even though she is having these moments of like you can't just walk back in here and everything goes back. I it's a real, real emotion. But then she also threw Dawson and um other conversations, she goes to her dad, swallows her pride in a sense, and just says, This is why I feel this way. I'm sorry, but I wanna I wanna go out there with you. And um so her, but then Jack is great because he's kind of you know, even when he's had the other feelings for other guests, he still had this chip on his shoulder when it came to Dawson. Every scene.

SPEAKER_02 49:41

I mean even when it even in like the past couple where he's been out, he still is kind of him and Dawson have not gotten along. And this episode, just seeing him kind of even at the end when he just watches Dawson and Joey, it was sweet because it would look like a good friend.

SPEAKER_03 50:02

All that to say, I think I'm gonna give it to Joey. Okay, I think I'm gonna go with Joey. And my rating.

SPEAKER_04 50:11

Dawson is the reason my rating is an eight.

SPEAKER_03 50:14

I'm okay with an eight because of Dawson. I feel kind of bad saying that. I'm giving it a five. Okay. It doesn't mean that I didn't like what was in it, but that it felt like it had some big moments. And oh god, this is probably gonna sound twisted the way it's about to come out. But the way that it ended, while I am thrilled that it hap oh, I shouldn't say that I'm thrilled that it happened, but just while I'm happy to see the character of Abby Morgan gone gone or leaving, she's off the show. She's off the show, but we've still got her service coming out. Yeah, yeah. Um at least I would have to assume. But either way, I'd I'd something about that closing scene just took something away from the episode for me. I don't know why. Yeah. Okay. It it didn't have as as heavy of a not necessarily saying heavy. No, I'm saying like us something like that would usually carry a very heavy tone. And that one I feel like it could have had a little more comedy to it. Like that sounded so ugly. Yeah. Oh, I feel like for that it could have been a little bit more serious. It was like over-the-top dramatic, but not in a someone just died in front of me. Way. Right, but I feel like there it something about it, the element did not sit well with me. I don't know how to explain it.

SPEAKER_01 52:01

Well, next episode is probably gonna be rated pretty low.

unknown 52:04

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 52:05

We'll see. I'm trying to remember.

SPEAKER_03 52:07

I I thought that I remember that she has a certain thing.

SPEAKER_02 52:09

It's hard, it's hard to get through.

SPEAKER_03 52:11

Just not the episode itself. It's like the way people react and respond and the storylines. It's not that they're not good, it's just hard to get through. Like there, there's some heavy ones. I think I remember that coming, but I don't like no specifics to it. Well, it's coming. Ready to spin a wheel? Aeny, meeny, money, mo.

SPEAKER_01 52:41

Okay, we only have two. Do you want the six or the four? I'll take the four. Dang it, I wanted it. Sorry.

SPEAKER_02 52:50

Okay, well, it's funny, so I'm gonna let I mean I'm doing mine first then. A six.

SPEAKER_01 52:55

Taylor Kingston! There we go.

SPEAKER_03 53:00

That's so funny. The one with the wedding. I enjoyed this episode, but I didn't love it. It has a very unexpected and sad ending, so stick around for the last few minutes. In this episode, Joey's father is back in town since he's been paroled from prison. He convinces Bessie to open the ice house to cater weddings, and when they get booked, they must enlist the help of their friends to help staff the event. A lot of stuff.

SPEAKER_01 53:23

Also, this all happened in the moment he got home one night and the next morning.

SPEAKER_03 53:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:30

It's about like Pacey finding people to sign up.

SPEAKER_03 53:35

In less than 12 hours. But go ahead. A lot of stuff goes wrong throughout the night, leading Joey to regret ever listening to her dad. After Jen and Abby crash the wedding and get thrown out, they end up at the pier. Since they're both completely wasted, the night ends in tragedy.

SPEAKER_01 53:48

Abby falls off the pier into the water, and sadly she drowns, which leaves Jen very upset. Last appearance of Abby Morgan. Best part of the episode, the wedding situations. Worst part of the episode, Abby dying. Overall, I give this episode a six out of ten, which in my ratings book is good.

SPEAKER_02 54:05

I love that's how they end it every time.

SPEAKER_01 54:08

Oh do you. This one is a four by Robo1. Oh, it is a long.

SPEAKER_00 54:16

Dang it!

SPEAKER_03 54:19

Oh with numbered bullet boards. Uh-huh. What's the title of it though? That's the best part. This show just keeps getting dumber.

SPEAKER_01 54:30

I disagree. I love the show, but I think that is hilarious.

SPEAKER_03 54:34

With a spoiler alert. Of course, my eyes back to twitching. Okay. Here I am watching Dawson's Creek for the first time 25 years after it first aired. Season one was okay with a few really stupid storylines. Season two seems to be getting worse and worse with every episode. Okay, listen, I didn't like season one. I have to beg to differ. I've a thousand percent. Am I calling this my favorite show in the world? Absolutely not. But um, it's not getting worse. So, okay. It says I dread what it is like by the season, the final season. There are so many dumb things in this episode that I can't remember them all. Let's see what comes to mind. One, the local cafe that Joey and her sister run gets magically transformed into a wedding venue. No, it's nothing like it did in any other episode. Okay, you were not paying attention. Correct. They said multiple times where it was taking place. Two, they need to bring in the other kids to help run the event. That basically has them floating around doing absolutely nothing, causing chaos or dancing among the wedding guests. They worked hard, they deserve a dance at the end, okay? Number three, Andy wrecks the top layer of the wedding cake, which is absolutely smashed to bits, yet somehow totally unexplained. It looks perfect when they finally bring it up. It's definitely perfect. Yeah. Number four, the bride comes down with pre-wedding jitters. Who is there to save her? Her bridesmates, her family, anyone else she has ever met in her life? Nope. Just Dawson and Jack saying a few cliches. I get that one. I give it a nice ballad. Okay. Three, or excuse me, five. We see Joey's dad packing away the glasses while the wedding is still going on. What happens if anyone still wants a drink? I don't think he's packing them away. I think he's about to run the district. He was washing them, yes. All right. You're getting dumber and dumber. Those aren't their kind of glasses from the ice house. Anyway, that would have been the event spaces for glasses. And that's the kind of thing you put into. Yeah. All right. Number six. Joey gets severely stressed about hosting the event, yet basically has nothing to do all night other than bite her lip and get teary. Okay, that's just salty and rude. Oh my gosh, leave Joey alone. Yeah. Seven, you can see the professional staff in the background of the kitchen doing pretty much all the work. Yet earlier it was supposedly Joey's dad coming up with the recipes. Nobody said anything about recipes, dude. Like it was just that they were gonna start offering a catering service. You need to calm down. All right, number eight, this whole premise was an idea to make heaps of money. Let's just ignore all the overheads they had to invest in for one bloody wedding. The decorations, clothing for the staff, all the extra plates and glasses, etc. Again, this is because they don't understand that they don't understand. They didn't have to decorate. This woman was already having her wedding there. She did everything, but the food. They did the food, they didn't even do the cake, I don't think. No. Oh my god. All right, nine, which is the last point. Okay, okay. Jen, for some reason, totally flips her personality again to pair up with Abby, just forgetting how she always ends up hating her 10 minutes later. Okay, so two out of nine were valid. Yes. And then it says, I know that the show is all about the feelings, but the amount of stupidity they put into the plot is so distracting that I find it almost impossible to care about any of the characters. Okay. That has a half-truth behind it, in that they don't do a very good job of like framing timelines and things. Okay, but that doesn't take away from me liking the characters. No, right, which is why I said it has kind of a half-truth, but not totally. That's just a yeah, a source. I'm about to give it a thumbs down.

SPEAKER_04 58:49

Oh, dang it, I gotta create an account. I'm not doing that right now.

SPEAKER_03 58:55

Give Taylor Kingston a thumbs up while you're we love Taylor Kingston. Yes, we do. Okay. Oh man. That was so emotionally charged. Like, you know that they had to finish that episode. Let me go find where I can write what I think. Give my I'm DB user right going trolling, man. The reason at the 33 out of 128.

SPEAKER_00 59:19

I guess.

SPEAKER_03 59:21

But I mean, truly, I wish we could respond back and be like, hey, you weren't paying attention. When did they I wonder when did that wrap on today's episode? If you loved hanging out with us, make sure you like and subscribe on YouTube where you can watch this full video and follow us on Spotify so you never miss a rewatch. We can or you can also find us on Instagram and TikTok for clips, behind the scenes moments, and all the nostalgia your heart can handle. Leave us a comment, rate the show, and share the episode with a fellow Roomie. It truly helps more than you know, and we love hearing from you. We'll be back every Tuesday and Thursday with more laughs, more nostalgia, and of course more rewatches. Until then, keep the remote the remote close, the memories closer, and it's always. Be kind. Rewind and press play again. Bye Rumi. Bye. Roll the credits. Press play again. Two roommates, one remote. It's fully DIY. Editing, us, producing, also us. Recording, yep, still us. Posting it everywhere. Shockingly, us again. Two roommates, one remote, zero team. So please clock accordingly. Thank you very much.