When Did We Turn on Andie? (Dawson’s Creek 2x19)

Season 2, Episode 19 takes a sharp emotional turn—and doesn’t hold back.

In the aftermath of Abby’s death, Capeside comes together to mourn… but not necessarily to tell the truth. In this episode, we unpack the way everyone seems determined to “whitewash” Abby’s life, and why that doesn’t sit right with Jen—who knew her better than most. What follows is one of the most raw and uncomfortable moments of the season, as Jen refuses to play along and says what no one else will.

We talk about grief, honesty, and the tension between respecting the dead and acknowledging who they really were. From Jen’s complicated relationship with Grams to the awkward and emotional weight placed on Andie at the funeral, this episode doesn’t shy away from how messy loss can be.

Meanwhile, Joey struggles with attending the funeral at all, as it brings up painful memories of her own mom—leading to a quiet but important moment between her and Dawson. And just as everything already feels heavy, Gail drops news that could change Dawson’s world in a completely different way.

On a rewatch, this episode feels incredibly layered—less about one loss, and more about how everyone processes it differently.

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Season two of Dawson’s Creek shows that grief isn’t clean, simple, or easy—and this episode leans fully into that reality.

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SPEAKER_00 0:00

Oh my unhappy. Well that was a daisy. Telling you what. Press play again. Two roommates, one remote, the rewatch podcast where we dive back into the shows and movies we couldn't stop talking about in college and probably still can't. We're your hosts, Anna and Megan, two roommates with one remote, ready to laugh, debate, and maybe get a little too nostalgic as we revisit the classics and discover a few new favorites along the way. So grab your popcorn, press play, and hang out with us as we rewind it all, episode by episode, movie by movie. Well, episode 19. The synopsis for episode 19. In the aftermath of Abby's death, all of Capeside is attempting to whitewash her or whitewash her life. But all the hypocrisy is making Jen angry, knowing that Abby's good life was all a scam. At Abby's funeral, Jen delivers part of the eulogy where she embarrasses Grams by announcing that Abby taught her the falseness of God. Meanwhile, Abby's clueless mother asks Sandy to deliver the eulogy after mistakenly thinking that they were friends. Joey is afraid to attend the funeral, which brings back bad memories of her own mother's funeral, while Dawson persuades her to overcome her fears. Also, Gail tells Dawson that she has accepted a job offer as a TV executive in Philadelphia. Yes. This episode aired on May 5th, 1999. It has a popularity rating of 81 out of 128 and an IMDB user rating of 40 out of 128. So how'd you feel about it? I don't even know how to start this one. Yeah. Um it I don't know, it leaves you in a weird place, at least for me personally. You have some funny moments, yes. You've got some serious moments on the other hand. And it's about someone that you don't like, but you understand why people are trying to say what they're saying to be nice. I don't know. It's just yeah. I don't know nobody that I we I don't remember having somebody that truly hideous in at school with me. What you gonna do, buddy? I'm not, I'm just gonna let it play out. If you hear a gnawing in the background, it's the dog chewing his bone, and it just is what it is because he's the most stubborn dog on the face of the planet, and it's not gonna stop. That just means he feels comfortable. Yeah. So if you hear that, he's chewing his bone. Okay, anyways. So that's life. It's better than the truck going down the road. Yes. But I I don't know, like, if somebody like Abby Morgan had died when I was in school with them, would I feel obligated to go to the funeral? I don't know. And then it's like, okay, Abby's mom said to Andy, she talked about you all the time, but then you see what she writes in her diary. It's like, which is the real side of Abby? Like, what I don't understand. I don't know. I feel like journals and diaries, though, sometimes you can write down like something completely outside of what you really feel for sure. Just to get it out. Yes. So there's a a part of what Abby had in the diary that may not be. That was not even a secret. That's how she acted out in the real world most of the time. It is, but some of it, I just I think it's somebody that like if your mom was on your last nerve and that's the way you vent it, you would say the horrible things she put in there. Yeah. So I don't know. But she I think that she dip I do think that she deep down liked Andy. Yeah. Just from the little things we saw between them. So it's not shocking that her mom looked at Andy as Abby's friend. Well, it also led me to think or to wonder, I mean, I would assume that she'd met Jen at some point, like the mother had met Jen. But other than that, I wouldn't know that her mother had met anybody else. So maybe because they took Andy home that one morning, and that might be the only friend of Abby's besides maybe Jen that she ever saw or met. So how was she to know? Yeah. I know this is a hard one to talk about because it's like okay, well, let's just start with how it opens. Dawson and Joey are on a high from kissing again, and so they're going back to his house. They climb up the ladder, and as soon as they go through the window, there is Jen distraught, sitting on his bed. Once again, he is a safe place for these people, and that's where they go to. And I did note that when she finally gets it out, what happened? Joey is the one that immediately comforts her. Dawson is in shock. Rightfully so. He didn't do anything wrong, but Joey is the one who puts everything else aside and just comforts her. Well, out of the two of them, we're led to believe, because I don't know of any deaths that close to Dawson that he would have ever experienced. So the only one to have been touched by a similar situation in this moment would have been Joey. Joey. Yep. So that was pretty devastating, though. I mean, Jenna's a little bit still in shock herself just because it was the same night. It just happened. But they go to school the next day. And it's like there's a cross between people are going about their lives because nobody really liked Abby. Yes. And then it's like, oh shoot, we should be in mourning because a classmate has just died in a pretty terrible way. But I are you talking about like kind of the way they turn and look at her, or just Well, it's like, yeah, it yeah, not oh shoot, she's walking by, we need to pretend we're mourning. It's just like this balance of like we go about our lives because no one actually liked Abby. But then it's like this traumatic thing that actually happened, and they have these grief circles in classrooms, and nobody wants to say the harsh thing that actually no one liked her. And but it's all silent and awkward, and you've got Pacey's picking at his teeth, and Jack is just rubbing his nose because they they don't care. I mean, as harsh as that sounds, Abby made their lives miserable every chance that she could. And so now, I mean, do you fake it and just pretend that you're upset she's gone? I don't know. It it's like people are already having to pretend like they're acting like she was nice when she wasn't, and then you know, I just it's an awkward situation. It is, and Andy tells the teacher that she had a she she was always so alive and she had a great spirit. That's a full-faced lie. She did not have a great spirit, and she was alive, and now she's not, yes, period. But Jen is annoyed by that and gets up and walks out, proceeds to tell Andy to her face that it was her fault because she kicked them out of the wedding. She blames her. And I it was not the right thing to say, obviously, and it was not Andy's fault at all. But I I I sympathize with Jen. Mm-hmm because and she says it later in the episode, it was a very mature thing where she says, I was just lashing out and placing the blame on everybody else around me because I didn't want it, I was scared. I was I'm the one to blame. Sponge herself. And again, not her fault either. No. Abby is about as stubborn as that dog right over there. She's doing whatever she wants. She was gonna do all of that if Jen had been with her or not. Correct. So I just it was pretty brutal though. And I in my mind, in my recollection, I thought that Dawson Not Dawson. I thought that Pacey confronted Jen about blaming Andy, but that was all in my head. He did not do that, obviously. He just says, I can't believe Jen would blame you for it. But in my head, it's like I remember, and I don't know, maybe that happens at some other point for some other reason. But in my head, I thought Pacey went up and confronted Jen for blaming Andy for that. But didn't happen, so it doesn't matter, but I could tell happening now. I know, I yeah. But when he when he told um told Andy after she gets asked to write the eulogy and he's like, Well, just say that she was a great person and whatever Ollie says, and she was like, You want me to lie? It's either that or say what a witch she actually was. She's like, Well, I can't do that either. It's like, okay, well, then what are you gonna do? I do think, skipping ahead, Andy's speech was perfect. He really was. It it's about as as much as you can flip or fluff up saying something nice about uh a horrible person. She challenged me. She was so horrible to me. She challenged me and made me stronger. It it's I feel like almost that's the wrong tone about it. And it's it feels bad to be even laughing about this way. Don't start the whole thing off with there are people who comfort me. And then there are the others. And Abby would have it would have been even better though if she would have said Abby was not that person. Oh my gosh. After Gina's like, she taught me that there's no gods and that this place is all like she taught me how to put on the back. It's like awkward, but if it's my job, and you just said it's not real, and then the mom is boo-hooing because how the dad looks like he could laugh. He looks like that actor looks like he wanted to bust out into laughter right there. It's my girl. Oh, when Pacey and Andy went to her house and he was like, it's so Andy said, I've never seen her house before, it's so pretty. Oh yeah. He's like, I know, I thought it would be like a gothic castle with gargoyles. Yes, that is actually gonna wear out pictures when Pacey goes to find Dawson. I like that they he went to find his best friend because he doesn't know what to do with his crazy girlfriend. He's like, I don't know what to do anymore. But anyway, Dawson was like, What do you say about the girl who wrote a broom to school? I know it's the truth. They're all like balancing, trying to be respectful because she did just die with like she was truly horrible to us. She was horrible. Like Pacey says, was it Pacy or was it Dawson that said uh something about we we're we're free of the wicked witch of the east, wicked witch of the west. Yeah, we're the munchkins who now are free from the witch. Yes. It's like oh maybe Jack, I don't remember. One of them said it. It was just really funny. I thought it was funny. No, Dawson says it to his mom when he gets home. Yes, I was supposed to say I thought it was Dawson. Yeah, Dawson says it, and then his mom tells him that she got a job opportunity from doing that field with Abby in it. Well, she kicked Abby out. I don't know that Abby ended up in any of it. Oh, good. I forgot about that detail. So she gets a job in Philadelphia and she's gonna ask Mitch to move back in so that Dawson doesn't have to be uprooted. Mitch, Dawson goes to tell him and Mitch is silent. It's like just quit being so stubborn and just go tell her that you actually do want to get back together. Well my thing that bothered me is if he really didn't like if he really didn't want her to still be around, even if it's like some twisted thing of like just if he's there he has to see her you know, kind of thing thing going on. He wouldn't g if he really didn't care, he wouldn't care if she was moving. I know. He does exactly he wants to be back with her, he's just so stubborn because it's it's almost like he's trying to still get even because she cheated on him, right? I mean it's annoying. He's he's playing way too more immature than even Dawson, like I don't know, um over it. I am too. But the the to me, one of my favorite parts of it is Joey and her grasping and tr trying to still deal with her feelings of her mom's death, which I found out was just three years ago. I I know, I know. But when she's looking at the photo album and the dad comes out and he's talking to her about it, and she is he he points out the picture and says, I told her to take that. He said, I that's my favorite, I love that dress. I told her to take it back because it was too much money, and so she went and bought two just inspired me. I thought to myself, I wish we could know Joey's mom. She would be probably the best edition. Oh, absolutely. I would love if she was in the show. The feistiness that they talk about that she had. I wish we could know Joey's mom. Really bad. But that's what I thought. But her just dealing with she hasn't been to a funeral since her mom's funeral, and she doesn't want to go to Abby's, but she does end up going, and she just sits down beside Dawson and just says, I hold my hand. But she also hasn't even been back to her mom's grave since then. So Dawson walks with her to her grave and it takes some flowers. And it's very emotional. Yeah, that one had many dear enough. Yeah, sad. It would be hard not to think about all the things that you're missing. You know, I watched a show and the dad had like a terminal illness, and the wife was about to give birth. And so he was just trying to hold out long enough to hold his baby girl. And so he's making all these videos for her that she could watch at different points in her life as she's growing up, and that day the doctors helped him do a video where he's holding her and they're playing a song, and that's gonna be her their first dance song at her wedding. So, and there was a a conversation where it was like, uh it's very overwhelming when I think about all the things I'm gonna miss. Her her wedding, her first day of school, her children, all these things. First heartbreak. But instead, I have to think about all the things that I'm gonna get. Like for him, it was literally just a few minutes of holding her. For Joey, it would be very hard as a teenager, especially. I don't know that I could even do it now, to think about all the times that you did have in a positive light instead of thinking about all the things you're gonna miss out on.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

Right.

SPEAKER_00 17:32

It would be hard, but it's just that perspective change that really is a running theme through this whole show, is like a a perspective change, but it's really sad. And I'm so grateful beyond grateful that I can't relate to her right on this level. Yeah. With with that particular family member we've had yes. But so it's and she has said before, like when Bessie was having the baby, hearing Bessie's cries, but she has told Dawson that she's mentioned before that she's slowly starting to forget like her laugh, little things like that, and then in this episode she admits to her dad that it's harder for me to picture her. And that scares Joey because she's still so young, and so the older she gets, those little details are gonna start to continue to fade away. That's so sad. It is, but it she does still have the pictures and stuff, which I mean is why she was sitting there looking at the photo album. But I mean I I can only imagine. I know, man, I don't like to. It's literally my greatest fear. But that's how that's the order of how things should go, is that we have to deal with the loss of a parent rather than them deal with the loss of us. So I know that one day more than likely it will happen where I have to deal with it. Glad so glad it didn't happen as a teenager. Oh absolutely. So anyways, Dawson being the supportive friend slash boyfriend. Because I have to throw the friend in there just because he knew her mom too when they were young, and so friend. He was supportive though, and he stood back and he he just waited and let her have a moment, but then he went. That's so hard to me. It's like knowing when to give space and when to show comfort because I don't want to be overbearing, but I want you to know like I'm here, so that's hard, but I I think that he did a good job. I really do. Yep. Um, I feel like he looked very handsome back there.

unknown 19:56

He did.

SPEAKER_00 19:57

We have the same thoughts these days with him. I thought the same. He had this very like pall bearer stance about him, but it just it really came across as just super respectful and strong, and like he was just kind of waiting until either she was finished or you know that he would be helping her next, yeah. You know, however she knew that he has not told anybody else about his mom's job opportunity. He is really learning how to read the room, yeah, and know when to grow it up a little bit. He is only mentioned it to his dad. He didn't even say anything to Pacey when Pacey was in there talking about there's so much going on, I don't know how to help her, I don't know what to do. And Dawson says, I know the feeling, but he doesn't elaborate, he doesn't make it about himself, and he normally does. I know he's grown up, he hasn't brought it up to anybody, and I really like that. Look at him. You know, speaking of looking cute, Pacey and his suit. Yes, that gray suit, it looked good. Mm-hmm. He looked handsome. He did. Oh my there were some shots though of him in the church at the funeral though, that made him look so baby faced. I I don't know why it just caught me off guard because all the other shots, it feels like he looks so grown. Like the shot of him and Andy, he's got that coat on. Uh-huh. I mean, especially like from the back, the way he was sitting with his stance and stuff, I don't know. It just if I was coming up from behind him, I wouldn't have expected him to be, you know, a sixteen year old kid. Look like a whole grown man sitting there. A snack. He was an adult, I can say that. Joshua Jackson, not hazing. Okay, that might be weird. Anyway. I love him. I know. He is he is he is that is why he's in my first draft of the boy draft. I know that. Forever and always. Anyways. What else? Oh, Gram's kicked Jim Jen out. Jim. Oh my gosh. Grams kicked Jen out. Told her she's gotta find somewhere else to live. Yep. Where is she gonna go? I don't. You don't remember? I I have a couple of thoughts, but I can't remember for sure. Yeah, I'll find out. I don't know that I want to put it out there. Okay. Cause I I know it's not next door. And I don't think that she would move in with Joey. So it's like questionably, does she move in with Andy and Jack? Because that was my first thought. I was like, well that would make sense. Or at least be the first fit, but at the same time, it's like we don't they weren't living there when their brother Tim died, so it's not like they were guaranteed an extra bedroom. That house is huge though. It is, but um they could have a major playroom somewhere in two bedrooms. When they moved in. I know a playroom. Okay, I'm just whatever. I was just trying to say there may not be three bedrooms up there. Could be a big common area instead of a playroom. Okay. Yeah. Anyway, yeah. Uh-huh. But I think that nothing going on. What? Nothing. I think my first thought was that maybe she moves in with them. Yeah.

unknown 23:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:51

That's major. That is a big deal. But Grams is trying to teach her a lesson. Grams is very hurt by what she said at the funeral. But I don't blame her. No, I don't either. She's embarrassed, she was hurt. Very upset. But Jen is a Jen knows based off of her conversation with Andy, where she apologizes to Andy for blank placing the blame on her. She knows that she's upset Grams and she's hurt her and she's lashed out at her. Now it's like, how do we walk this back though? Because Grams kind of feels like she did did you catch what she even called her grandma? Yes. That was Yes. I don't know if it was like weird or if it was pulled on the heart shirt, like showed how much she was trying to get her attention. I don't know. I don't know. I wasn't expecting it. I I know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 24:46

It's kind of weird.

SPEAKER_00 24:47

But we'll see. I know. And I mean, there there's a part of you, or at least a part of me, that would think, Oh my gosh, I can't believe that Graham's got to the point that she kicks her out. Um But I totally see her point of view in that you know, like if being here isn't helping you be better and it's just wasting your time being rebellious towards me, figure it out. But at the same time, am I mistaken? I thought that Jen was making comments about living somewhere else at their earlier conversation at the house. But she was drunk when she was making those comments. Right, but that's that's the first mention of this, and then Grams is like, Alright, yeah, you want it, let's have it. But now Jen is like, oh shoot. Yeah. I don't think Jen was expecting that. No. Real tough love. It pays off. It does. It pays off, but I mean, Jen is, I think she gets the award this episode. However, well, no, because Andy is already in therapy. I was gonna say, however, Andy is seeing dead people. So this is true, but she's already in therapies. Yeah. Well, she just needs to talk about it. Yeah, she doesn't though, because the dead person she sees next is gonna be like, don't tell her she thinks you're crazy. Like, ooh. Oh, I forgot about this. Yeah, it's about to get real dramatic. I was just thinking for a second, it was just like a ooh, you know, in the back of her mind, but okay. That was just the beginning. I forgot about this. Her and Pacey have the conversation that we talked about previously where she says, I don't want these our roles to be cemented, where you're always saving me and I'm the crazy girlfriend. Well, I I'm afraid we're there. Yeah. I think that ship has sailed. I think it's done. Yeah, because now you see dead people and he's got to come save you from that too. This is so insensitive. I'm so sorry. This whole episode is insensitive, but it's about a very insensitive person. True. True. And it is fictional, don't forget. So what a relief. I tend to forget sometimes. Yeah. I have to remind you. Anyways, what do you do have anything we've I know that we really kind of 30,000 foot glazed over it, but well, I mean, let's not forget that our last scene is that Andy has snuck into their house. These dead people. Well, but the reason why is to go get the diary. To save her mom so that the mom doesn't read her daughter's daughter's horrible thoughts. Yes. Some of which are talking about her mom. Did you notice when she read the part about herself, Andy? She was like, the new girl, Andy, her voice went up a notch. And then she was like, It's such a psycho. Yes. Funny. She was excited to read about herself. And then, what? And that boyfriend of hers. He's like, no. No. It was funny when she would she read the one about Jen and she was like, Oh, she must have been having a bad day. Yeah. He's like, mm-hmm. Yeah. What's the next one? And then he says, She was having another bad day. Another bad day? Yeah, it was funny. We haven't mentioned the little funny conversation between Jack and Joey. Jack starts thinking back and he's like, you know, whenever I kissed, there's a chance that I could have been the last person she kissed. And Joey says, Well, then at least she went out with the bag. And they think that is the funniest thing ever because that just makes them laugh. They were cackling. It was a really sweet scene in the laughing. It was not meant to be ugly. It was just humorous. So I appreciated that too. It was, it was good. I their friendship is really great. I like it. Because he asks he to before at the beginning of that scene, he he's kind of sidling up to her, like, what's going on with you in Dawson? And she just says, I have a lot going on. We're just things are fine. But then he he does stop and say, How are you with everything? Right. He is a good friend. He is. I love it. I want to be friends with Jack. This Jack. Yeah. I feel that. What would you rate it? I think I'm going with a six. Okay. So a little better than the last, but dead. No, just like the I don't know. I really appreciated this scene with Jack and Joey. Okay. That made me laugh. And I did appreciate the emotion with Joey going back to her mom's grave. That moment kind of spoke to me. So instead of just a flat eye, I had to give it a point. I made it a six. Yeah. Okay. I'm giving it a six. Wait, what did I give the last one an eight? Okay. A six. Six. Now my MVP, I think that I could give it trying to stairway. I'm only giving him a painting. I haven't given him one in a while though, honestly. No, you haven't. But I really just think that him trying to be supportive and trying to be like, just don't do it. I'll do it for you. Just say no. You say you you're too upset. No, I don't want to give him a VIP. What do I want to give? You if you know yours, you go ahead. I'm still thinking. Actually, I think I'm gonna have to give mine to Dawson. Two in a row. Yeah. Isn't that weird? Kind of tasted a little funny going out or not. I'm telling you, we are Team Dawson these days. Well, he's just hit a good snag. Um, but mainly mainly for his way of supporting Joey. Yeah. Especially in such a tender scene. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I agree with that. I'll tell you my backup. Jack and Joey. No. Not good enough for MVP. Probably it could have gone to Andy for just finding the best way to say and I I agree. I'm in the go with Andy because not only does she do that and find the best, most respectful way to deliver that. She also did not lash out at I almost said Peyton. I do that a lot when it comes to Jen. Because she is like Peyton's author. She doesn't lash out or hold a grudge against Jen. She goes to check on her when she sees her sitting alone. And she just is comforting and just listening. And she tries to even tell her it's not your fault. It's no. So I do think that yes, she admits she's a people pleaser, but I she just she also just has a soft spot for people and cares. And she knows what it's like to lose somebody very close to you. And no, Abby was not Jen's sister. No, but Abby Jen watched it happen, jumped in the water, tried to save her, and like literally watched her die because she saw her struggling and could not help her. But I uh Andy knows what that's like to to be a witness to it because she was in the car when her brother died. Absolutely. So I just think that gives her a completely different compassionate perspective through most of the episode. So yeah, I I'll my gosh, these names. Andy is the MVP. Yeah. Okay. I need to save for Pacey because he's he's gonna get it for the next few, I feel like, is if I'm remembering the scenes correctly. Yes. We only have one thing left on our wheel this time around before we refill it. Oh yes. And it is Would this be a text? Oh lord. From this episode, what would be a text today? This is gonna sound bad. Gail got a prom got this new job offer or that she's going to Philadelphia. Text Mitch or Dawson? Text from it could have been from Dawson to Mitch. Yeah. Mom's moving. Yeah. Need you to take care of me, please. Actually, Dawson would be taking care of him. Correct. Um that sounded terrible, I'm sure, but no. It could have been a text. Yeah, I think so too. I don't know. I mean, I think that the conversation between Joey and Jack could have been a text message thread, but it was way funnier in person. They worked together, but I could see it just being back and forth. Yes. Yeah. You know, I was thinking about it the other day. Oh, I know what. Pacey and Dawson. Pacey went to Dawson's house. Gail had to tell him, No, he's at the school working on his movie. Oh, yes. All of that's text. All of that. What's up, bro?

unknown 35:08

Hello.

SPEAKER_00 35:08

Well, I'm just editing my movie watching Abby's last scenes over and over and over. Man, I'm going through it too. I don't know. It could have been the whole thing, the whole thing. Uh-huh. I agree. Okay, well, we're gonna see the lingering effects of Abby Morgan. Rest in peace. But for now, this episode, we can we can close the casket on it. And that's a wrap on today's episode. If you loved hanging out with us, make sure you like and subscribe on YouTube where you can watch this full video and follow us on Spotify so you never miss a rewatch. You can also find us on Instagram and TikTok for clips, behind-the-scenes moments, and all the nostalgia your heart can handle. Leave us a comment, rate the show, share the episode with a fellow Roomie. It truly helps more than you know, and we love hearing from you. We'll be back every Tuesday and Thursday with more laughs, more nostalgia, and of course, more rewatches. Until then, keep the remote closed, the memories closer, and always be kind. Rewind and press play again. Bye Roomies. Bye. I feel like we laugh for that a lot more than we should have. I know I was saying the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 36:27

Oh no.

SPEAKER_00 36:29

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