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In this episode of The Dap and A Hug Podcast, we sit down with Joseph “Joe” Pacheco to talk about mindset, discipline, and what it really takes to grow — both on and off the mat.
From cross-training and different philosophies to pushing past limitations and staying committed to the process, this conversation dives into what it means to truly evolve — mentally, physically, and emotionally.
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🥋 Guest — Joseph “Joe” Pacheco
Head Coach and founder of Modern Warrior Wrestling, Coach Pacheco brings over 19 years of coaching experience across youth, middle, and high school levels.
A former standout athlete with a record of 189 wins and 32 losses (134 pins), multiple conference and regional titles, and two NC State championships, he has dedicated his life to the sport.
He has also competed professionally in MMA with Bellator and continues to give back through coaching, mentorship, and building opportunities for the next generation.
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SPEAKER_03That's one of my favorite ones.
SPEAKER_01Brotherhood or the original one? Brotherhood. Yeah, Brotherhood was a lot better. We keep it true to the uh to the manga.
SPEAKER_03Hey, bro, like Dragon Ball Z. Yep. Hey, the video game dog. A regular Nintendo jump off in the game.
SPEAKER_04Never beat it. Nah, bro. That game was. It was impossible for me to beat. If anybody would beat that game, say something in the comments. Like, how did you do it? For real.
SPEAKER_01You gotta be committed to it. 100%. Anything on like old school NES and stuff like that. You had to be committed. No save points, Nitha. Right. If you're rational, you gotta be committed too, right? Oh, yeah. It takes a lot of commitment. It takes a ton of commitment, especially to be good at it. You can participate and not put any work in, but you gotta be dedicated. You gotta sacrifice. That's what we always talk about. What's funny about the full metal alchemist part of it? One of the things we talk about in the club, especially, is equivalent exchange. Like the art of equivalent exchange is so true to life. And we know it's frowned upon because it's alchemy, but the whole pro uh the whole standpoint of what it stands for, and you have to put something in to get something out. You have to, though. And once they start realizing that, they have to sacrifice time, you know, being comfortable to be able to get to that level they want to get to. Once they start buying in and start really feeling it, man, yeah, I got a bunch of little alchemists running around putting it in the fire so they can try and be as good as they can. 100%, dog.
SPEAKER_04I mean, it's so much about that show about the law of equivalent change, dog. And like the the ultimate sin, right? Because it's based on the sins, right? Right. Pride, gluttony, envy, lust. What's the other ones? Oh man, it's a boss. Whatever it is, you know what I'm saying? But like the ultimate sin or whatever was when they tried to like do a transmutation to bring their mama back, right? Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, they tried to break the biggest laws of trying to bring the dead back. Right. You can't pass that gate without paying a toll.
SPEAKER_04It's a lot in there, though. It's a lot to learn. They got some good quotes on there too, though. It does, man. About like sacrificing and stuff like sacrifices and stuff like that. It's a lot of the it seems like it could kind of apply today with the wolves and the people. They used the philosopher's stone, right? To put in like an AI bot type joint down. This could possibly even happen, though. That might be going on. You never know, though. I don't know. It's some crazy stuff happening.
SPEAKER_01I mean, yeah, the AI is kind of like the philosopher's stone, right? It takes all the information from these millions of people, put into one place. And I've seen enough sci-fi movies to know that's never a good way to start off.
SPEAKER_04No, though. For real, I know. Um, so Joseph Pacheco. Yes. Thank you for being here. My pleasure. Uh, this may be an episode of the Tap in the Hug. Okay. You know what I'm saying? I'm separating it from Dapp in the Hug, but it's still love and respect. You know what I'm saying? Most definitely. Respect and love. All that good stuff, man. Looking forward to March 21st, man. Oh man, it's gonna be a big night. You going to the fight? You gonna be there?
SPEAKER_01Unfortunately, I can't. I'm supposed to be going to uh Virginia Beach with the wrestlers. So yeah.
SPEAKER_04Ruben gonna be with you?
SPEAKER_01Uh no, because Ruben usually does the youth. Right, right, right. That's right. So Virginia will just be middle school and high school, boys and girls.
SPEAKER_04Oh, me and he was hopping in the sauna man. He this other guy told him he was a great coach. And the stuff that he stands by, you know him. Oh yeah. Oh, he he's solid. Um, so how did you get in the can you kind of tell the people about your journey early on how you got into wrestling? Absolutely, man. So it's a funny story, right?
SPEAKER_01Um, I had just moved to Mount Holly from spending a year in Chester. So we moved to Mount Holly, got registered for um for middle school, and it just happened to be a gym class. So, of course, you know, back in the day everything was alphabetical order. I happened to be uh situator or sat behind a guy named uh with the last name Malden, so MP, whatever. And um, we started talking, we started, you know, it I don't know what was going on the rest of the class. We started talking, he he asked me if I played football, if I if I wrestled. And in my mind, I was like, oh, wrestling? Like y'all got that down here? Like I can jump off the top rope and elbow somebody. He said, nah, nah, nah, that's wrestling. I was like, you had me sold when you said we were wrestling, man. But he said, no, wrestling. And he started explaining to me and and and really said that hey, it's like you can slam somebody at school and not get suspended. And I was like, all right, I'm interested. So that's honestly how my journey started was was from my best friend. Now he actually got me into it because his older brother wrestled at the high school. So that's that's kind of the introduction into the sport was that funny story of meeting him.
SPEAKER_04So you've been a state champion wrestler. Yep. Wrestling, wrestler. Yeah, and you were a professional fighting bell tour?
SPEAKER_01Yes, yeah, yeah. It was nice, had a good run.
SPEAKER_04Like a dub of a decade coaching the youth athletes, dog. Thank you for what you're doing.
SPEAKER_01I appreciate that. I appreciate it, man. It's it's a struggle, but I definitely have a good support group, right?
SPEAKER_03The impact that you're having on the dog.
SPEAKER_01I appreciate that.
SPEAKER_03That's what the community needs, youth doing what you're doing, like getting involved with what you're doing.
SPEAKER_01I appreciate that. Honestly, because that was one of the things, and even we just had like the parent meeting last week for the new parents that are coming to the club in our offseason. And the first thing I have to tell them is like, hey, our club is a wrestling club, but it's not just about wrestling. It's designed to use wrestling as a vehicle to make your your child or your guy or gal um a better, a better person, a better citizen, you know, have a moral code, give them community and stuff like that. That's what everybody wants, right? That's what I would hope, but it seems like that's gone away so much because even in even at the high school level, right, it's all focused on the wins. Because if the coach doesn't win, the coach won't keep his job.
SPEAKER_04Man, I had I did an interview with Coach Wallace yesterday. He was my high school football coach, dog. He was talking about that, like he had to win. Yeah. Back then, like he was all about the wins, dog. Keep his job, dog. Shout out to Coach Wallace. Oh, most definitely.
SPEAKER_01For ones that that do it and do it.
SPEAKER_04Why gotta be set up like that? Why I gotta be like that?
SPEAKER_01Why can't they be changed? It's it's the almighty dollar. But what do I know? It's the almighty dollar. That's it.
SPEAKER_04It always, man. It always ends up leading back to them ducks, bro. Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_03Them greenbacks, but they ain't even backed by goal no more, so we don't really know it.
SPEAKER_01You know, honestly, that's it. It goes off your priorities, right? So you could have like a 500 record, but have outstanding people on your team, outstanding athletes. And just because you have that 500 record doesn't mean that you're any less of a coach just because you couldn't put something together in that instant. It it it there's no loyalty when it comes to the to coaching because every everyone wants the immediate immediate gratification.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. It's so we're like so far removed from old school of uh the mentality of you're gonna grind it out and then you'll see, you know, the the fruits of your of your labor. Nah, it's like you got two years. If you don't have two years, you're out.
SPEAKER_03I mean, it's not really trusting the process.
SPEAKER_01No, I don't believe that.
SPEAKER_04It's almost like when you get a new president and you don't really get enough time to like do anything good. Which I ain't about to get into politics.
SPEAKER_01No, 100%, especially if you know you're talking about different ideologies. Like I there's one instance and I talk about a lot. One of my kids who thankfully was in the state finals this year, he's been in the same high school all four years. Each year he's had a different head coach. Each head coach trying to change who he was as a wrestler instead of building on to what he did well. So it was like ripping ripping down beard bones and trying to build back up instead of saying, hey, you have a a set situation that you like to do or you like uh a certain way of shooting or whatever may have you was oh no, it's my way or the highway. And once again, it just did him the worst way because we had to rebuild in the offseason every year to get him back to where he used to be.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, man, a takedown game is serious. Um I did I never wrestled, dog. I did Taekwondo as a kid, you know what I'm saying? Um I was gonna go to Justin's wrestling class. I don't know if you know Justin Ottel. Shout out to him, but um he has wrestling classes on Sundays. That's what's sorry. But I I love rolling, I love grappling. You know, it's so good, man, so healthy for you. All the benefits, you know, everything, dog. And then being able to learn that and incorporate a little bit of wrestling in my game, dog, you know what I'm saying? I got the match, dog, I'm looking forward to it, you know what I'm saying. You know, just kind of working on technique with the dummy dog, and then teaching some stuff to my daughter. Yeah. Oh, so I know they got the open mat, and I was talking to um to Isaac today. He tightened me up, man. Appreciate you, bro.
SPEAKER_01Manolo's? Yes, Manolo's. Yeah, yeah. Yo, Isaac doing big things.
SPEAKER_04I got he is dog. He he looked out, dog. He um he blessed me, man. And uh, I got some of his uh beard oil. That's what I'm gonna use that, dog.
SPEAKER_01But um, what were you talking about? Oh, we were talking about uh wrestling.
SPEAKER_03Wrestling that you just working on the match, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04But yeah, I'm just looking forward to being able to like work on that, man, and you know, help my daughter and stuff. And this would be pretty interesting, though. Like to help her, and maybe other people will catch on, like, hey, that's kind of cool. You know, that's the whole you know what I'm saying? Like, we have to teach our kids everything we know, so why would I teach her something like that with which is so survival? I'm sure other people do it. I'm not saying it's groundbreaking that I'm doing it, but I think it's pretty cool, man. I think I'm looking forward to it, though. You know what I'm saying? Wanting to do it. She's strong, like she likes to wrestle.
SPEAKER_01She used to do jujitsu. Oh really? Yeah. So she's been she's a grappler, naturally, then. Man, yeah. I think that's honestly that's she's grabbed my wrist before, dog, and I had a hard time getting close.
SPEAKER_04I'm being serious.
SPEAKER_01Look, they're watching. My oldest daughter's. She's like control, too. Like everybody. What I was gonna say was that it's I know you would say it wasn't groundbreaking, but it's the fact that you want to do that, right? You want to take the time out and and and teach her a lesson that could possibly, or teach her a technique that could possibly be impactful for her in the future. Like jujitsu was built for the smaller frame person, right?
SPEAKER_04And I'm only a white belt with one stripe, I understand that, but you know, I could talk to my coach, and I mean I got enough common sense to know what I'm capable of doing, what I can teach her, and you know, some awesome stuff that we can do with information that we have, especially not with technology. Yeah, it's great, it's a blessing and a curse sometimes, hey. When you look back Yeah, and when you look back at that journey though, though, like what did fighting teach you about life you didn't understand as a you didn't understand when you were a kid. Oh man.
SPEAKER_01Um so that's man, that's a good question. Fight what honestly, what fighting taught taught me in the in the long run. I'll do I'll do like beginning, mid-run, long run, right? Kid on the mat. Yeah. So in the beginning, it just taught me because I was in a place when I first started fighting, I had just started going through a separation. My first wife. Like I was living by myself, seeing my kids on the weekend, going through a really tough time.
SPEAKER_04Okay.
SPEAKER_01And fighting once again brought me back into a brotherhood that I was missing from high school from wrestling. So it taught me that I can actually build a community instead of just being adopted into the community. Right. So that that that helped me in my in the whole journey through fighting. But that that was one of the first things I took away in the in the beginning of it, was that okay, I miss the the fellowship and I miss the fraternity I had with my wrestlers, but I thought I could never get that again. But then once again, being an adult, starting that out, I was like, oh, I could build a community like that. Midway through, ah man, the markings of the man is not exactly getting knocked down, but it's the willingness to get back up and go right back at it. And that was probably, I think, in the mid midway journey finding out, right? Because I think I had just lost to um to Fred Isara um at Shaw Air Force Base for the fight lab title. And I wasn't taking training seriously. I was going through some stuff that time, and I didn't want to pull out of the fight because we were the main event. Um, it was Fred was stationed at Shaw Air Force Base, and um I knew the promoter at the time, um, and the owner, Kenny Letz. If I did that, it might impact ticket sales. So I I I took the fight and I learned a lot from that because it was a it was a tough battle going back and forth, and I ended up getting caught in a guillotine in the second period. But what it made me do is have even more respect for my opponents and saying that, okay, in order for me to be where I need to be or where I expect to be, I have to go in all in. Like there's no halfway of doing it, especially when it comes to the fight game. Your life's all a lot, man. Like, really? Realistically, yeah. And that's that's the mentality I didn't have going into that fight and and talking to Fred. Big big shout out to Fred Assareg. He's a he's a big homeboy, he's like a brother man. Um honestly he's a good dude. It's funny how many people that after a fight, you know, unless they're a jerk, you can actually be become really close friends and cross-train and do the whole thing with them unless they're just so into themselves, you ain't got they ain't got a room for nobody else. But that was kind of okay. Fred treated me with the utmost respect by not only having a full-time job, training his butt off, and doing everything he possibly can to beat me. And I didn't do that, I didn't I didn't treat him the same way, and that was disrespectful, so I'll get out. So I was like, all right, cool. I dusted off, re-evaluated. It wasn't uh equal exchange, love equivalent exchange, was a little lopsided on that one, maybe 100%, yeah. Was not giving in everything I should have for a really tough opponent. And I learned my lesson that day, and then from then it was just about wanting to train, wanting to make sure everything was there. Long run over everything what I learned from fighting is that personal success is great, but the purpose of what you're doing is more important for me. Right? My purpose or initially fighting was kind of you know, channeling all the frustration and getting everything into you know one area and then getting that fellowship back, and then started picking up traction, started getting really good at it, got my Bellator contract, and then I started separating myself because combat sports, jujitsu fighting, wrestling at a high level is a very, very selfish, selfish, selfish um uh transaction.
SPEAKER_04You have to be, right? Yeah, like you have to be endeavor, maybe. You have to be selfish. I mean, well selfish, you have to sacrifice so much time, yeah. The training and everything and meditating. I mean you gotta also take in consideration like the the cold plungers, the sauna, you know, like post-production, pre-production, kind of like the podcast. Oh, it's like that with like you know, I've never done it, but I know some of the things that they do.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, the inner workings of it are what's important. That's how the show goes on, like you just said, right? Um and it's it's unique in that way because because I was so selfish, I was successful, but at the same time I was separating myself and losing time with my kids. Because at this time I was three kids deep already, going into a serious relationship and engagement with my now wife. And it was it was it was terrible at home because you know I was training three times a day, then I was still getting yelled at about not training hard enough, so it was like a mental game on top of everything, and and and my family, the ones that were closest to me, the ones who were impacting most of it. And I think walking away from fighting was probably the hardest thing to do, but at the same time, I knew that the quality of life I wanted later on is more what my focus wanted to be.
SPEAKER_04So And like that energy, like that that that that feeling of the calling to do that, you know, using the energy in a very positive way and you know, bringing the youth up with those principles, the morals, the discipline. I mean, people that train, they just got so much more control. I trust, I was thinking early, man. I trust Isaac more with a blade than anybody. Seriously, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Real talk. Like, there's a guy, man. I used to roll. Well, I don't know I can't remember me. I don't think mean rolls names. James Paul style, shout out to him. I think I saw on uh social media, he's gonna be fighting. He's over there, uh TMA. Uh he actually trained the kids' class when when Lyric was over there doing jujitsu, man. But he's a pair of like a uh emergency EMS. Yeah, okay, yeah, he's a person I would want to try to save my life. Be there on site when something happens. God forbid anything ever happens, but like you know what I'm saying? If you got if you train, if you fight the jujitsu, whatever things of that nature, like yeah, you got like a whole different mindset and just you know what I mean. It's funny because as you're saying that some people might not. Well, obviously, some people will understand, but you get what I'm saying, right?
SPEAKER_01I do, I do, but as you're saying it, right? As I'm processing it, it's making me laugh. It's like, okay, the person we trust the most with our life is a person that could possibly end our life if we wanted to.
SPEAKER_04The irony of it is beautiful. It's like God, it's one of God's jokes. He's like the greatest artist, comedian. He's like, I'm serious.
SPEAKER_01No, I know, man. I'm saying God has a funny sense of humor. Like, is it good with you? It's like, oh yeah, okay. This it wasn't gonna be straight, right? It had to go all the way around and do it the wrong way.
SPEAKER_04We learn as we go and make mistakes along the way. Oh, we justify it like nobody's business. And working on the dog, because people like in the gym working out like that, you're working on the dog, your mental dog. It's the people that don't like exercise, and I'm concerned about, man. Like, we I ain't gonna say we, I know people that got family members that don't work out, or they older and they more sedentary dog. Like, I really wish, you know. I mean, some people have programs like that. They do, like older people, of course, but yeah.
SPEAKER_01Funny enough, so one of the many jobs I've had before was working for like autism services at Meckleburg County, right? And we we actually had a uh like a big group home that was sitting, we'd sit in a circle and do chair exercises. And I didn't, I I laughed at it and thought it wasn't that difficult. Then I tried it with him. I was like, oh man, okay, hold on. This got some serious stuff.
SPEAKER_04I'm gonna tell you what's the difficult yoga. Yes, yes. Complimenting jujitsu. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01I think with the with the control and being able to hold a position, I think it would nothing but benefit you with jujitsu. Yeah, man. We did it, we used to do cross-training, we did that a few times. Uh Ricky and myself, we did it um with uh couple of other teammates and and and did yoga because there was actually a yoga studio that had a fight, a fight team, a Rikion back in the day. They were wrestling in a yoga studio. So that was it. They would win and do the warrior pose instead. But it was um it was good stuff, but yeah. The tree pose. My nickname tree.
SPEAKER_04Oh, is it really?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's what's gonna be.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, you ever played uh you ever played like Call of Duty or like Halo? Yeah, and my name was like Trilli Tree 803. Really? Tree alias. That was something that I'm talking about. That's right. Who about game with shot of my cousin? AT. Funny play.
SPEAKER_01Even my 40s, I still game.
SPEAKER_04I game more than Muggs, me Muggs. Yeah. My cousin, sorry. You're good. I got to, though. I had to put the sticks up though, dog. I almost bought a um, I was up in Best Buy the other day, though. I was gonna buy a done uh Nintendo Switch 2. Oh really? Yeah, I think that'd be kind of cool to kind of do like Mario Kart play on my door and stuff like that. But I had to put the uh the Call of Duty away. I had to put that up. Because like now, like, you know, I'm like, because I was telling my cousin, dog, I was like, man, I gotta figure out something I can do that's like more productive at night instead of on the game, which is fun and all, but at a certain time, at a certain point in time, you get to a certain age, at least I did, you know. No offense to anybody that does it. I just for personal reasons I had to put it away. Right. My point is I gotta do something productive in a way I can make money doing something with this, because I'm I was always a night owl anyway. Right, you know what I'm saying? So, but yeah, cool. But I was telling you about the story, dog, about the um the Lyra, yeah, constellation, dog. Yes, it's just so much into it, dog. You know what I'm saying? Back to you. You have a nonprofit?
SPEAKER_01Yes, yeah. Um, we turned it into a nonprofit about four years ago. We uh, first of all, we never collected a check. I don't get paid for what I do. Like the nonprofit may pay for like a uh my hotel room or something like that, but that's it. Everything we we make or the kids pay goes right back into the program. Last year, um we actually went the the new black and yellow mats, they're at Modern Warrior now. We pay for half of them. Nice. We were sitting there talking to Keith and we're like, hey man, so shout out to everybody. Yeah, for real. For real. The whole Modern Warrior family for getting that done. And um we were like, hey man, what what do we gotta do to get new mats? We need new mats. And I was like, we'll commit to it. If you get it, get us a price point, we'll commit to it and go half. And we were able to do that last year. And on top of that, even just fundraising, they We've we've had some phenomenal members and and people with open hearts that see what they're trying to do and what we're trying to accomplish. And we donated, we raised about$8,000 last year. Nice. We were able to go, we took two vans to Ohio, took a full boys, full girls team.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, if you ever want me to um promote, absolutely let me know, dog. I got you. Appreciate that. Talk about that for sure. Anything I can do, dog, telling you. Anything like that for the youth, for the up and coming, dog. Because I think, because I I never I like wrestling. You know, had the games and all that, like the Royal Rumble. Yeah, you remember the one with joint the clown, dog? Let's lose. No, those games were awesome, dogs to be able to adjust, but like, but I never would like it. It was like I said, I did talk my dog though, but there's a couple guys I know I played football with. Um AJ and uh Man Antonio Knox, dog. Did you know Ray McCloud? He was a uh wrestling coach at Northwestern.
SPEAKER_01The name sounds familiar. It sounds real familiar. What's funny is you said Antonio Knox. I know Antonio Knox. That's what's up, man. Yeah, man. Yeah, that's my guy, dog. He came back for a year and coached at Northwestern for a year and uh when my son was there. Oh, where yeah, man, beautiful dude, a beautiful soul.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, dog. Hey, holler at him, man, on community insurance. Real, for real.
SPEAKER_04Um yeah, dog, that's why I think like it's all about getting back, dog, ain't it? I mean, like I have the opportunity like with this like platform, dog, to like have these conversations, like literally just to help people.
SPEAKER_03And look along the way, promote stuff and like you know, branding and all that, dog.
SPEAKER_04But like, what's what I'm excited about is to be able to like be a part of something. And I'm sure we're gonna do a podcast after this, man, my homeboys. Right. We had like a little cookout for my fucking like graduating class from high school.
SPEAKER_03Like, I never went to any reunions or nothing, but I went to this particular event.
SPEAKER_04It was cool, man. We had some food, like a little DJ set, whatever. Music had a good time. That's so I could set it up out there and like whoever's like an entrepreneur has their own business. I can just interview them. Free promotions, dog. Absolutely. Get some looks there. Distribute the clips, dog. In a positive way. Yeah, yeah. Tell me, dog, like the mathematics behind it, it's all about angles, ain't it? Especially with wrestling. Angles. Hey, we were talking about fishing earlier, right? Yes, yeah. Yeah, but I'm gonna have to find a spot, maybe gonna find somewhere to go catch some crap here, some bass or something.
SPEAKER_01All right. I'm down. I got fishing rods and everything. I just you got open face? Uh yes.
SPEAKER_04I've never owned a bay castle.
SPEAKER_01Oh, really?
SPEAKER_04Never have. I'm just gonna stay in my lane. You know what I'm saying? Do you remember the banjo minnows from back in the day?
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_04Yes. Hey, that was she was here right now, though. Listen, man, we used to kill them with them joints, dog. Really? Yeah, dog. I ain't gonna say well, but I had one podcast I was talking about, maybe how they would uh discriminate on the black people in the neighborhood fishing. Oh, yeah. Or ass they caught the police on it.
SPEAKER_01Even if you live there, though, dog, like they do that. Still to this day. Yeah, I'm not surprised, unfortunately. To this day. Because probably the same people that were doing it back in the day still doing it now, unfortunately. It's all about the seeds.
SPEAKER_04And here's a great book by Mr. Wally Cathcart Sowing Seeds with Broly Wally.$20 on Facebook. I don't let him. But this man right here, dog, we gonna educate everybody, dog, on some stuff, dog. Okay. I'm gonna let you know what you should probably grow in your. You might already know though. So I like I think we gotta get back more to the natural side. Right? Like the burdock root situation. Yeah. A seed has like pretty much everything you need in it. But like, you what kind of seeds are you planting and watering? You know? Like the negative indoctrinations back to like what are you still telling your kids like anything that's like to more like white supremacist or any race that's more higher than in the hierarchy food chain, not food chain, but you know what I'm saying? Oh, absolutely. Stop. Like, stop. I'm not like I'm looking at you like I'm talking to them, but like just please stop. No, you're good. Stop. It seems I mean there's no reason to keep doing it to the kids because it's gonna just prevent, it's gonna keep confusion and misguidedness, and uh uh it's gonna division is the word I'm looking for. The math wasn't math, right? Hey, but we got there though, though. That's the thing, though. That's one thing about life, though. The imperfections, bro.
SPEAKER_01That's what makes us perfect, man.
SPEAKER_04Is that imperfections? Did you see the cat's the cat Williams special that kind of came out recently? Oh no, the one on Netflix. I hadn't watched that. No, he was talking about how he loved God and like because like God knows how crazy he is, so he give him so much grace, basically. Right. Spoiler alert. Yeah, I like that joke, man. It's a good one.
SPEAKER_01It is. When you submit to a higher power, man, it makes it so much easier to kind of navigate through life.
SPEAKER_04They don't like the discipline of wrestling and the train to make life easier. Like dealing with other things that you don't have control over. It does. It does 100%. There's uh that's not the real message I want people to get out of it. Like, at least try it out, man. Please. If you have issues like depression and anxiety, go to a jujitsu class or wrestling class. The first one's usually tri a trial free in most places. I know Carolina Family Jiu Jitsu Modern Warrior, right? Absolutely. Sundays are free for Modern Warriors.
SPEAKER_01You'll be good. There's there's such a primal want for connectivity that grappling, I think, kind of bridges that. For people who are introvert, people who are not confident, there's something to be said naturally when you start rolling with somebody, when you've like put your hands and and and try to pressure them and and and manipulate them and grapple with them. Like it's physics. It's 100% physics, right? It's osmosis too, right?
SPEAKER_04Nah, it's osmosis. I like what you did. I never thought about it like it's osmosis, not.
SPEAKER_01It is, man, because you think about it. If you come in to a jujitsu class in a bad mood, right, and it's wrestling, rapping total, right? You come in with a bad mood.
SPEAKER_04No, you're talking, wait, wait, you're talking about checking the ego at the door?
SPEAKER_01But even before that.
SPEAKER_04Oh, are you talking about two are you are the are these are these mutually exclusive things that you're talking about?
SPEAKER_01No, so I don't think they're mutually exclusive. I know you're good. Um I think that when you come in, you had a rough day at work, you had a rough weekend, whatever may be going on. The moment you come in there, you be all slouched down, grow, you know, groggy, whatever. You start rolling immediately. And Dorfers start flowing. Yeah, chemicals start going all of a sudden. It's a natural stuff that is here for us.
SPEAKER_04Right. You're gonna get a little sweaty along the way.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's gonna happen. It's good for you. It's all right.
SPEAKER_04We have the tools.
SPEAKER_01That's it.
SPEAKER_04Go ahead.
SPEAKER_01No, you're fine. It plays back to you, you gotta think about it. So if you ever watch young kids playing, it always ends up in a in a grappling match, grabbing each other by the head, running around, you know, tussling one another. There's something to be said about their the the non-sexual intimacy of being able to connect with somebody. And and I think that's that's another part that is kind of left off of grap the grappling world. Is if you're having a bad day, go roll. It'll change your perspective, it'll change your, it'll change your mind for you'll get that escape for an hour and a half, two hours, and then you'll come out of the gym feeling better or exhausted, which are both good things to feel.
SPEAKER_04Absolutely. And the trust and the camaraderie, the brotherhood, the sisterhood.
SPEAKER_01It's wild, dog. I have yet to be able to leave a gym right after any class. Like, that's that's how deep it is, right? It's my wife used to joke about all the time. She's like, All right, so how how long is practice tonight? Okay, so from six to six to eight, okay, I'll see you at nine. I'm like, What do you say? You see me at nine? Oh, I know people are gonna be talking and y'all gonna start doing this. And I was like, Yeah, you're right, you're right. Wow.
SPEAKER_04Um, looking good, oh looking good, everybody's looking good in a lot of people.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so it Sundays are fun, man. I think it with open mat and the way that Keith has kind of cultivated that, that there really no egos when anybody coming in, and we have so many different schools come in. It is such a gear a great opportunity to to learn and and to to see something you may not normally see. Because one one gym may all do something a certain way, while another gym may do you know the same thing differently and have a different approach. So being able to see that and see that full gambit makes everyone better. Gambit. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Got it back to well, Logan. That's right. Um did you play that game about a man in Rage that was on Sega? Yes, yeah, you know what I'm saying? We like we so locked in right now, though. I'm not sure. I'm gonna see if I can talk to somebody about making like a full middle alchemist video game or something. I would love that. You probably need to check out maybe a uh collab, full meta alchemist video game. It's gotta be somebody. Kind of like a um, not quite a uh what you call those types of games when it's like not the GTA. I ain't talking about RPG, RPG. RPG? More like a kind of like that dog, but more interactive in a way. Right, kind of like you meant like the Ninja Gaiden junk that came out one time, kind of like that in a way. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01So you're talking about the old Ninja Gaiden on uh Sega?
SPEAKER_04No, the one after that on like Xbox. Oh, okay, yeah, like the open world type of open world, and uh you can interact kind of like GTA in a way too, though. Right, right, yeah. No, they could be sick, dog.
SPEAKER_01People need to watch that, though. Like a Final Fantasy VII type joint. That would be dope. Being able to build up and and and take tri, you know, travel to different areas. Man, brother Elric.
SPEAKER_04Edward, right? Yes, Edward. Full metal, dog.
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SPEAKER_04What's one thing that you think like about that transition? Going from wrestling to professional fighting with Pellator. Is there one thing that like sticks with you about that that you hold on to?
SPEAKER_01Honestly, um I I think the transition, oh man. The transition was was it was pretty cool. I I was very fortunate to to kind of walk into a room that had golden glove boxers, that had already had professional fighters that were in there um in a small in a small like storage place in Gastonia where Ricky Rainey was training, um Zach Klaus was training there already. Like we had a a good stable of guys. Um transitioning from wrestling to to fighting was different. So the first time I came in, Zach uh reached out to me because we were both alumni from the same high school. And he was like, hey Joe, I need a a bigger guy who wrestles because I'm about to fight a guy who's a good wrestler. I was like, cool, I'll come in, I'll train, whatever, whatever. The assistant coach of the time, Michael Allen, used to coach at high school um at a high school um around the time I was in high school. So he knew who I was at um first glance. He was like, Hey, didn't you used to wrestle, East Gaston, whatever, whatever? I was like, Yeah. He was like, Okay, cool. So our striking coach at the time, Phil Wills, was like, You ever got punched in the face? I was like, nah. It's like Yeah no.
SPEAKER_02I have.
SPEAKER_01But I mean, kid fights, like yeah, not in adulthood. I was like, nah, why? He was like, You you afraid to put on the gloves and go in there? I was like, I ain't afraid of nothing. So I went in there, put the gloves on, and got worked for about a good seven minutes. It was it had to be like three and a half rounds. I mean, I got worked. I'm head lumped up. I came out and they were like, Are you ready to quit? I was like, nah, man, it wasn't as bad as I thought it was gonna be. And that's what started it. I was like, you know, a little bit of crazy, but that was it. I got punched in the face with a with a uh 14-ounce boxing glove from a boxer, and I was like, okay, yeah, it sucked, but I can learn. Yeah, and being being willing, willing to learn and kind of open up that being uncomfortable and embrace the uncomfort, it really started to help me open up on what I know what you're capable of, though. Man, so much when you push those limits.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it's crazy. It's like you start feeling your chi.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, in a way, like yeah, though.
SPEAKER_04Holding it in, baby. That's it. Just sitting there, just cultivating it. You fool with the uh the samurai shampoo? Yes, I like that one too, though. Samurai shampoo. That was a good one, dog. Yes, I can't find it. It's might be on crunchy roll. Yeah, I think it's on crunchy roll.
SPEAKER_01I think it's on crunchy roll.
SPEAKER_04Hey, what is what like thinking back on all the years that you coached to youth, right? What have the kids like taught you?
SPEAKER_01Oh man. There's a lot, honestly. Right? Um one of the biggest things I'm starting to learn, and this is after years of like therapy and stuff, is I have to be accustomed and get comfortable with cycling out relationships. Because I pour so much into our kids and I pour so much energy, time and and knowledge into them that I know that I only have them for a short amount of time. They're like it's like my own kids, right? I do every it's so it's so backwards because you do everything to instill in them to be independent, knowing that they're going to be independent without you. And it's it's a tough transition because now my son's 22. I have kids who are 30s and 40s and stuff like that, and I spent so much time now with with these youngsters that I'm like, okay, I got accustomed to to this relationship.
SPEAKER_04Isn't it like isn't it like mandatory to teach your kid how to be independent as independent as a parent? Yes. That's like number one at the list up there, like be safe and be be independent.
SPEAKER_01Right, not to be able to lie to anybody.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, dog.
SPEAKER_01But that that's glad you agree with me on that one. That's the catch 22 of it because you're like, you're like, hey, don't you wanna like live close? Nah, I'm gonna move to another state.
SPEAKER_04Oh, come on, man. Yeah. So I was thinking about getting my daughter's father passport. But yeah, I'm gonna do it eventually, but it's gonna become a time, dog. Like she knows I'm gonna go to Peru with her, and there's places I want to take her, so yeah. That's beautiful. You been to Puerto Rico? No, I haven't been yet. Go to the uh bioilluminescence bay. There's one in the Caribbean, I believe, but it's a bioilluminescence bay, dog. It's like it glows at night for real. These little like microscopic like organisms. I gotta take Baby Girl to go see that, dog. Something like that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I gotta take her to see that. Nah, there's experiences that you want to share with them and kind of got you and be able to share those moments. Because once again, as we get older, those moments will be fleeting.
SPEAKER_04Bad to connect them, right? Yeah, you gotta connect, like that's what memories and doing things versus like all these gifts you're supposed to get on Christmas. Right. That's just my mentality, though. Experiences, though. That's what it's about.
SPEAKER_01That's what we do for birthdays now. So instead of just giving gifts, we're like, hey, for your birthday, we're gonna go to Great Wolf Lodge, or we're gonna go to Gatlinburg, or we're gonna go to Atlanta and go do, you know, the aquarium. We're gonna make these moments because instead of spending time on vacation and being there with everybody else's, live these experiences. Those are the best presents because I know for me, remembering those birthdays and stuff like that, is where I really hold on to because those ninja turtles I got in 1989 ain't here no more.
SPEAKER_04I was telling my girl, I mean, I'd be telling her, I wish I still had them jumps. My mama gave my jumps away, dog. Oh, yeah. Goodwill. You know, they always be like, How did you have your toys? Or like, what'd you do with your toys? Like, I wish I had them here now so I could play with it with them, you know what I'm saying? Oh, I would have them displayed on the wall, man. Yeah. I had I had like the action figure jumps, you know what I'm saying? That you could, whatever. I also had like the ones you could stick up against, like they had the little suction cups you could put up against like the glass or the window or whatever. Oh, for the mirror, rather. Yeah, yeah. I was like there with them at Batman and all that, dog. Same here, same here.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, like it was the 80s and 90s, man. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04That's what I'm saying. I kind of want to get back on the sticks, dog. Some kind of video games, dog.
SPEAKER_01I really have. They have all these retro things that you can do now. You can buy for like like$50, plug into your TV and play the old school games.
SPEAKER_04That's one thing that I kind of wanted to do, like be the video game programmer, dog. Yeah, I think that I think it'd kind of be cool to get involved with like video game production some type of way, at least spit some ideas and some type of strategy, dog. Get involved with it. That was always a dream. That was always the dream. Every D saw pepper on it. Hey bro, did you listen to Twister back in the day? Yes. Oh, yeah. Hey, you remember that uh Ain't No Hoes? Yeah, remember that song? That song goes, dog. It does, it does. Y'all get locked in with that at the gym, dog. It's over. It's over. The keys, man. I love music, bro. You play the instruments?
SPEAKER_01I wish I did, no.
SPEAKER_04No. Could just get one to try, dog. I d I mean, you know.
SPEAKER_01I have six guitars at my house. Can't play none of them.
SPEAKER_04I got a bass and I got an acoustic. But you know, you can download the apps, dog. They got the apps, like musician, and they got like another one. They're not a sponsor, but maybe one day they will be. Right, yeah. Hey dog, the last couple podcasts I ain't said nothing. Shout out to Matt Tuckerman over at Blue Collar Roofing. Um, hey, you remember I was talking like I got a commercial, dog, and I was talking about when we had that hailstorm like on 420 a few years back. Uh it was like a micro burst or whatever. They tore up cars. I saw I got an Uber over to my homeboy's house, dog. And like when I got out, it looked like the movie The Mist. You ever seen The Mist? Yes. That's what it looked like. But it smelled good because of the pine. It was weird, and then like these dudes, it like a tree that fell on their car. They was they could have died. It was so close, dog, they didn't like God put gracing hands on them, dog. Like, but it was crazy, dog. No, I understand. But yeah, call it blue collar roofing. You know, I don't I'm I'm about like preventative measures nowadays. And I don't want no hairstone to come, dog. But like, yeah, we really can take care of you, you're roofing and stuff, you know what I'm saying? So let everybody know. Pussy of, he's a musician. You like country music? Yeah, I do. Matt Tucker, check him out, dog. He uh graduated from Rocky Ohio. I graduated from Northwest in 2003. He was a Rocky Oh, but he's a great musician, dog. Oh, so we should graduate nears.
SPEAKER_01That's what's up.
SPEAKER_04You know, and word. Yeah. That's my grandma right there, dog. Like, she loved country music. But I never really got into it like that. Like, I like country roads like John Nebo. I was about to say it, but I ain't gonna do that to the audience. That's that junk rock, dog. It was a couple country music songs I like, you know what I'm saying? But but now like Morgan, I like Morgan Wilder. But my point is I had random him a Supreme Nutrition, dog. We haven't seen each other in years, man. And um, I listened to his music, dog, and I liked it, dog, and it kind of like I feel like he connected me back with my grandma, dog. She's not here, you know, because I love bluegrass, and his daddy played bluegrass, or his granddaddy, or both. But like I love bluegrass, but then be like, I like his country music, so then like then I'm yeah, and then I think had some good country music playing on at the barbershop, dog. Did he really? Yeah, that's it's good to be eclectic, man. So I got to I grew up in New York, man. Pick up that guitar, though.
SPEAKER_01I'm going to so the reason I got it is because my brother learned how to play the guitar by ear.
SPEAKER_04Like he did it. That's what I'm saying. I think on a bass, because you used to drop beats back in the day. We beat by some freestyle or whatever. And I still I still do to this day. I was literally on the way to um to the barbershop. I dropped the beat randomly. I was driving and I thought about uh shop to C dot dog. Like we was in band together, dog. And you know, in percussion, that applies to the keys because you're playing the xylophone and all that, dog, aka glocking spills or the bells, but the xylophone is a separate instrument, yeah. And like the drums and all that, dog, like snow drum, bass drum. But like, yeah, dog. So applying it to the keys and then dropping beats, dog. Like, that's cool, dog. Like, it's some stuff, it's some stuff I got playing, bro. That um I'm looking forward to. When I get to that, you know, when it's time. Absolutely. Get in the studio, dog, and make something happen. Cause like that bass, dog. So you got your you got electric guitars and acoustics or what?
SPEAKER_01So I I have uh I have uh I think three acoustics. I have an electric acoustic and then I have an electric guitar.
SPEAKER_04I could snap in the hood, by the way. Whatever you want to do, dog. Yeah, the nonprofit, man. What you trying to do, dog? Dog, like you know, um school about four mil. Yeah. Yeah, okay, then. Shout out to them, dog. Like, she started taking piano lessons, dog. Really? Yeah. And they actually get to open. Really? Yeah, like they like you can like either take piano lessons or like guitar and other instruments, percussion and stuff like that. But you can also put them in a program the way they'll practice with other kids and they end up like playing the show. That's right. So they put a band together, yeah. That's pretty awesome, doll. I really I've said this before, dog, but I'm gonna repeat it. I really wish that was around when I was a kid. For real. Me too. Because my parents would never give me a drum set. I had a keyboard. I was never putting the piano lessons. I'm okay. I've been through therapy and everything. I do jujitsu, I'm over that. I just like to talk about it because it's cool that now I like the fact that Leah's interested in it. It's not I'm living through her, I'm just supporting something that she's actually interested in. She likes the Lisha Keys, dog, you know what I'm saying? That's great, yeah. Like, let's see what she can do with it. And I hope everybody takes opportunities like that, dog, to put their kids in wrestling. Jiu-jitsu, see what they're capable of. It'll help them with a, you know what I'm saying? It'll demolish the ego and the bulliness, man, and help with the confidence, yo. They just have to be okay with a good feeling, though. That's a that's just like to get them out to a good start, dog to be able to deal with like stuff.
SPEAKER_01I think a lot of times we we do them a disservice by just trying to be overprotective and like, okay, what if they fail? What if they're not good at it?
SPEAKER_04They have to learn that though at an early age, though. They can't always get a trooper, they can't always get what they want, you know. You gotta work for it, gotta understand that like you put in that work, you know, you learn the value and things. Oh, for sure. You know? I mean, you the coach, though. Hey, did a little bit of volleyball coaching for a while, though. Shit was cool. But it is, man.
SPEAKER_01You do something totally different, though. I think I think coaching puts you, you have to be in a different mindset for coaching a lot of the times. Especially when you when you're doing anything at a high level or trying to get them to the next level, like you gotta have a different mentality. Because being able to find out, like almost a therapist, right? Like you have to dissect the brain, the mentality of each individual athlete, and then really choreograph a plan for them to be able to success, be successful, and succeed.
SPEAKER_04Bro, it's the same thing that Coach Waffle was saying to Northwestern, dog. That's one thing that my daddy and my uncle were saying that they liked about him. But you broke it down a whole different way, bro. I dig that, bro. But it's beautiful.
SPEAKER_01That's awesome way you did it, dog. That's when I said that he's special even in back in the day when we were talking about it earlier. It's it he's not worried about the wins and losses. His wins come from the success of his athletes after everything's said and done. Man, at the end of the day, they're making a better human being, better citizens to the community.
SPEAKER_04That's it. You want you want that? Your job on the line. That's the hard part. Who needs to be like who's responsible for that decision? Like, is that like some policy stuff, politics stuff? Because we ain't getting into politics.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it can be political because it can be an upset. Pop a curb or swing a call. And then we're gonna talk about anything else. Go ahead, I'm sorry. It can definitely be uh people politic. If they don't like the coach, if their kid didn't get enough playing time, they can start petitioning and start making some noise and all this other stuff. And then what their kid to get the shine, they want them, I get that.
SPEAKER_04But that shines earned, bro. That's why I like, yeah, dog jujitsu dog. How about the Bruce Lee movies back in the day? Bro, tell me about it. Let's talk, let's talk about a couple of them. Which one come to mind when I say it? Chinese Connection. Okay. Now the one of them they had kind of switched the names up on a couple of them. So which one are you talking about?
SPEAKER_01The one where Bruce Lee came in and he actually went inside the dojo, took the sign off the dojo, broke it over his knee, and fought the whole school.
SPEAKER_04Well, you talk about a synopsis boy, yeah. You made me forget everything against that.
SPEAKER_01They disrespecting his master. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Is that the one they they poisoned the teacher? Yes, that's that one. Yep. And he was eating the he was at the campfire. He had like a uh that wasn't no rabbit, it was like a hell. Y'all even out there with a hair. H-A-R-E. Why'd you spell that that way? I'll never say that word again. Hey, but like, but yeah, that was that joint, dog. And you remember the beginning, though? It was like raining, he was at the funeral, and it was all muddy and stuff, though. He was like, I understand why now.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, it's crazy, ain't it? Shout out to Coach Joey D, dawg. What's up, cuz? Oh my god.
SPEAKER_04I don't know why I said cuz. Yeah, shout out to Coach Joey, though. Um yeah, that was that was messed up what they did. Uh it was, but honestly. I'm gonna tell you, we can get back to another. I gotta talk about this quick movie real quick because I was like, yo, this young right here, might be not blood sport. Nope, no, no, kickboxing. The original kickboxing, the original kickboxing. The music jungle, dog, kicking that tree, dog. In the fountain. In the fountain. Dog, that that song, dog. Oh, the advanced trainer get you locked in at the gym too, dog. Oh, yeah. You just go any soundtrack.
SPEAKER_02Back in the day, where that y'all go.
SPEAKER_04But yeah, Tom Poe, dog. That was such a good movie, man. It was when he was at the bar.
SPEAKER_02I feel all right. Jamie, yo. That job was Retro Rock like shit. I feel it. So good today. Ain't nobody.
SPEAKER_01That movie rocked. It did. It did. There's so many good movies from back in the day. I mean, like you said, um, Bloodsport was great. You I can't find a uh Jackie Chan or Jet Lee movie that was bad. Like when they came on the scene in the late 90s, like that was tough. I remember I was it, Rumble in the Bronx, where Jackie Chan was jumping from like one building into the fire escape.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Through the buggy, the grocery buggy. I'm like, yo, I got thinking about me, my back hurt. How did he do that, dog? I don't know, man. He's more that's it's good to have a bunch of ninjas walking around. I feel like we're in a safer society, dog. For what you're doing, dog. I love that, dog. Oh, yeah. In the Polish, they train in jujitsu too. That makes it even wild. I love it, dog. I talked about it in the last couple of uh episodes, but yeah, dog, it's awesome. Shout out to them, dog. It is, yeah, because think about it, you know.
SPEAKER_01Once again, all from old old days, eye days.
SPEAKER_04When all this brewery right here, we need more people like us. Yes, yes, 100%. I was like, man, I could have looked up the statistics and see if it's a connection between like DUIs and statistical analysis, but I just bring it up for conversation. Somebody else can do their own research on that one. Yeah. I'm telling my cuz, I'll be lazy. Like I don't even want to look because I don't want to. I I could compare, not compare, I could prepare and have articles already up, but like I just like to have conversation. I don't want to be distracted.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, kind of let the conversation go where it goes.
SPEAKER_04Right, yeah. It's it's interesting podcasting, dog. Like it's so interesting and it's powerful, dog. Like, yeah, it's it's fantastic, dog. I'll help more people do it. Like, I hope you get one. Like, just you keep doing what you're doing, though, dog. Obviously, man, you can always come on whenever you want to come on and promote anything, dog. Um, or I can do something else. We'll we'll talk, you know what I'm saying? But um I'd be I think it'd be cool for you to be able to just talk and people can like listen to you talk about wrestling and the different guys that do it, gals, and talk about the matches and how it went. They could like discuss what they learned, and I think that would be kind of interesting, dog. If they had a little voice too, man. A peek behind the curtain, yeah. Like you could do that with them. That'd be dope. Or maybe we could, I don't know. We'll talk. I know I have so I think you should definitely aim to do that on your own, though. You know what I'm saying? That'd be cool. I mean, like I said, I teach you everything, I'll tell you what not to do for sure. I don't know everything about it, but I have got to this point, so I share everything with you as far as like what not to do. Absolutely. You know what I'm saying? I think that's very important. That's why I want to talk to the youth as far as the guys that's playing football up the street, uh, and Trojans buying. Like, don't do that. Like, you know.
SPEAKER_01I mean, you know, I feel like it'll be good. Uh speaking of Trojans, y'all making some noise right now with all those transfers coming in.
SPEAKER_04Shout to Moose Wallace. He was here yesterday. And it's crazy that the day that I do a podcast with Moose Wallace, my coach from back in the day. Yeah. Same day my coach, my jiu-jitsu coach, drops off those mats, man. See. Later on the same day. I'm like, this is God, thank you. Like, what is going on right now? Been blessing for the great coach. I take a look back. People that know me, like, know me. It's a lot, it's crazy what's going on, dog.
SPEAKER_01It is. It is. I I've been, I can't say I've had the best coaches, but I've I've been put in rooms that I've had some fantastic people. Now, each coach I've had have been knowledgeable in what they do. But I can't say that the benefit was always for me. You know, that I had a tough journey coming up even with fighting, with wrestling. It was always one of those things to where I felt like, oh well, he's one of the good ones back in high school. Right? He's one of the good ones. So we'll look out for him. And um that kind of that always put a different twist on it. And I even talked to some of my old high school buddies, like, you know, if our coach was just there like and tried to help build us mentally and build confidence instead of trying to break us down, we'd have been so much better than we were. That we were good in spite of him most of the time.
SPEAKER_04And then you know, is it I don't think it's a coincidence that like now mental health is being discussed more freely, more common, and your mentality with that. Oh, that's awesome. You see what I'm saying? They go they go in hand in hand. Like part of that movement, man. I'm all about that. Like that's what I'm about. Uh like that kind of stuff.
SPEAKER_01I never well, and I appreciate you recognizing that because honestly, I didn't realize that anxiety was really hitting our youth as much as it is right now. Like there are people who are successful in class that have you know great grades, that look on the outside like everything is cool. But when it comes to performance or doing something, their anxiety goes, I mean, out the roof, and it's trying to be able to really cultivate how do we control that? Let's get some, you know, let's get some uh some grounding techniques in so they can learn how to deal with that.
SPEAKER_04Dog, I'm so glad you said that. Because like when I was a kid in elementary school, my heart would start pounding whatever they was doing roll call. My last name chisholm, so let's say they get the carter. Mm-hmm. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Just to say, yeah. Here. That's all I gotta do. That's all present or whatever. But I had anxiety, dog. Yeah. And my parents didn't know that I had anxiety, I wasn't diagnosed. So it wasn't that. And I did Taekwondo, and then you know, we had to do like those things. You like break the boards to get like high the belt, the belt tests and all that kind of stuff, and do the forms. But I was always, I always had anxiety, dog, and then like projects in class, speaking, public speaking. Hey, I'm gonna tell you great benefit to jujitsu. I took an acting class. Oh, did you? In Charlotte, shout to Campbell acting at our studio on Remy. What's up? Hey, I'm doing this Ted, I'm like working. I was actually sitting in the barbershop while looking at this Ted Lasso monologue. I got up and did it, dog, my first time though. Really? And I wouldn't have been able to do that without Jiu Jitsu, dog. That's amazing. And it was amazing, dog. That shit was dope as hell. You ever seen Ted Lasso? Yes. You know the dart scene? Yeah. Yeah. That's the one he did? He's like, yeah. He's like, yeah, you know Rupert. I'm blanking on the CNN and called myself out, set myself up looking crazy. He's like, you know, Rupert, people have been underestimating me my whole life. I don't know why, but he did something about like, she saw Walt Walt Whitman joint he had to pull over. He's taking the son to school. And it was like, be curious, not judgmental. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And he was like, oh, that's why. So the people that were um underestimating me, or it was a different word to use, they um judged me because they weren't curious or whatever. They had everything figured out. Right. But little did they know. It's a good like life lesson too, though. But like, yeah, like it's pretty cool, man. And I mean, I honestly though I wouldn't have been able to do that. I'm just saying, like, the confidence is one thing, but like as far as like keeping my anxiety down instead of like taking medication. Oh, it helped with those side effects. I mean, I don't like most people don't like most medications because of the side effects. Yeah. And we ain't gonna get into all that. That's a rabbit hole. It is. Yeah, dog. That's why I got the Allison Wonderland up there. I was peaching the grave here. What's that? What's the name of the fly? What's the what's the name of the uh artist? Because he was out at the um the disc golf tournament in Rock Hill, dog. It went to late. Shout out to him.
SPEAKER_01Fly line designs.
SPEAKER_04Fly line designs?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Shout out to him, dog. That rabbit hole, bro. It always goes back to like natural stuff, though. Like symbiosis working together. What type of like I had this amazing conversation with this lady last night, dog. I'm not gonna say her name and stuff like that. But she was talking about, we were talking about seasonal allergies. How they seen it be getting worse. And she mentioned that it's because they're planting more male plants than female plants. So there's like more pollen in the air and there's not enough female plants to get it and produce fruit. Right. Because it's like it balances off.
SPEAKER_02Who do we talk to about that?
SPEAKER_04About them now. Who we talk to about them now? Because I mean, you know, I'm I don't want to have to take clarity. I don't want to have to take flow maze if we can just plant more female trees and not as many male trees. I like to plant stuff. My nickname is tree. Like I mentioned that earlier. Right? Yeah, you would think so. I'm just saying, though, like why? Well, you you know, like again, we're gonna go down the rabbit hole. And what kiss said, though, he said he never seen the brink truck follow a hearse.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Is that that we gonna make it joint? We don't make it. I can't even drop a B dog because of my season of allergies. That's it. I was talking to uh Sergeant Bird about like Christmas, dog. Like I got some album Magnum, though, like and drunk, like not drunk, but I ate some of it, dog. Yeah, like what they got, what they done done to us, dog. Dude, it's crazy. I remember seeing something about some mosquitoes over in China or something, dog. It was like the spraying mosquitoes, and they just need to stop experimenting on stuff like that. For real. Stranger Things is an awesome show, by the way. It is. But like it's one of the styles P Johns, he'd be like, You ever dance with the devil under the pale moonlight? Time is money coming soon, right? It's a great track. It's like New York, New York, that junk rock dog. But um, it's different ways. And they playing with fire with that dog. Oh, yeah, they are.
SPEAKER_01I don't know.
SPEAKER_04Like, what there are some limits that don't need to be pushed. You know what I was like, dog. I wish I and I'm just talking, though. At least I want to get to a point where at least like people in my village and people I can help, like, everybody should have a sauna in the neighborhood. Or like in their house, really, in your house, though. In a generator, just in case, right? I think, right? Like, somehow get resources to do that. Got the beehives, local honey. We need to make sure we take care of the bees. We need to maintain the balance of the ecosystem, bro. We need chefs cooking for the public schools for the kids, bro. Man, we need to they need to be paid.
SPEAKER_01I saw that.
SPEAKER_04It's disgusting when we see my kids, man. That's other things. I'm sure you got some ideas, bro. Like, it's just and then like jujitsu and wrestling in school, but it's after school. How about less time at school and more time doing stuff like that? Stuff kind of gives towards social skills. We was on fractions, dog. I was helping my daughter with some fractions. Shout out to her. Lyrical miracle. Love you. Um, cross multiplying, dog.
SPEAKER_00I helped her, dog.
SPEAKER_04She made like a better grade on the retake. Hey, feeling stuff like that, dog. That's what it's about. Well, 100%. As a father, like, because it'd be tough, like, she don't like doing math. I don't blame him. But dog to be able to have like that effect. We got through that, dog. That's good. That's good stuff. You say your son in the military? Yeah. Shout out to him, though.
SPEAKER_01Wait, is he is he deployed right now? No, he's not deployed. Is he gone? I hope not, though. When so he's he's set to get new orders on the 15th. He might know the 10. So the 10 Fo. No, not the 10 Fo, the 411.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. And we talk about it. I mean, I'm trying to prepare myself though as best I can. You know what I'm saying? He's like, okay, okay, go ahead.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah, you're good. It was um it we'll find out what his new orders are gonna be once he gets stationed at his new ship. Then we'll see what's going on. It's kind of going down, man. Yeah, because when he when he did his first deployment, it was over in the Middle East.
SPEAKER_04That's so despicable.
SPEAKER_01It is.
SPEAKER_04It is, man. I don't like to get into it, right? But like my last podcast, I gotta say this. I didn't realize that there was like a school full of girls that got killed in one of like the the you know strikes or whatever over there. Oh, you see, and I'm a father, I have a daughter, so my heart goes out to the family and friends of the daughters that got killed in that.
unknownWow.
SPEAKER_01I got three daughters, bro. So yeah.
SPEAKER_04That's what that's and that in war's wrong. And then but like my thing is like I can't make decisions like that. But I just look at it from like a logical standpoint, man. Like just kind of looking. But it's way bigger than that, dog. But it's all small, like us sacrificing dog for the greater good. Oh yeah. What are we doing with our time, dog? What impact can we have? Impact can we have before we leave? Because you do so much wrong or whatever, dog. You gotta, you know, you live and learn, you make mistakes, you burn bridges, you try to rebuild them, something they down in the water, done disintegrated. They down dog.
SPEAKER_02Down in the deep depths with a little the little the little fish with the little lanterns and shit.
SPEAKER_01Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_02Angler fish.
SPEAKER_04The bowels of hell. Deep down there, man. But anyway, shout to everybody, love everybody. Um, I forget where I was going with that, dog. Um you were you were sharing just uh the empathy you had. Oh, yeah, just like yeah, as far as making a positive footprint. Um, yeah. I think that's that's everyone's goal, right? It should be. Especially I'm the kid, that changed everything. It does about perspective. Can you gain perspective? We might not agree, but can you at least gain a little perspective from what I'm saying? And what he's saying. That takes maturity, though. And not everybody's in the same way. You gotta get over the inner demons, ain't it? When you when you gotta that's literally like the get out of your own way thing, dog. It is you gotta if you can work on it, like that's why this is so important what you're doing. That gets them a jump start on that, bro. I appreciate that. Honestly, I wish you know it's so important. Every wrestling coach, jujitsu coach, everybody, dog. But you, dog. Yeah, you gotta go on over there, dog.
SPEAKER_01I appreciate that. I appreciate that. That's it. Like, I hate having to cap our our club at like 40 kids because we don't have the space. Like, there's a need.
SPEAKER_04Eventually, dog, like, yeah, I wanna have like jujitsu mat. I don't like, you know what I'm saying? Just a way it could be used. I ain't saying I'm gonna have like my own gym. I'm only white belt. 41 years old, so I would like to have the space available, be involved, we're getting creating space available. Yeah, so we should definitely talk. Uh but yeah.
SPEAKER_01Most definitely. I think even with the like I know we have uh a youth center in by downtown Rock Hill. That's a great idea, dog. And I know that they should that cause I have no idea. I know most I know that they have the boxing club down there, and I don't even know what that what the other facility looks like.
SPEAKER_04How long you been living in Rock Hill?
SPEAKER_01Man, unfortunately, uh 12 years, but I still don't know much, nothing.
SPEAKER_04So was you living here when you know that by the subway? That's like right where Carolina Family Jiu Jitsu is. That's where we located. Yeah. Across the Northwestern High School. It used to be a food line over there. Like with that with that little space over there but beside the subway over there. What's going on with that? And then what they're gonna do with they toe down the Burger King, what's up with that? Oh, right across the street. It'd be a great little location to have like more jujitsu. It would. It would. I I think like jujitsu camps, cook out, cook some good food for the kids, healthy food, parents hanging out. But that's that's that's what's cool about those, like um those tournaments, man. It's cool to go to those tournaments. Watch them. You still ain't been to a seminar yet.
SPEAKER_01You still get your wackos on. That happens in wrestling too. Like it's I I start to appreciate the fact of the community that we built and that I've had with with jujitsu and with wrestling is not as common as it as it should be, right? You start getting in your own little bubble, you start worrying about, you know, and that's what I think, even with the mentality and the philosophies I have as a coach, are things that kept me from being a better athlete or a better fighter. Was and this is not throwing a shade, but it's fragile ego. So if a coach is uh holding you back from going to cross-train with someone and get some experience, whose benefit is that really going to help? I don't see anybody benefiting from that. They don't, so they end up siloing and doing the same things over and over again and not really growing their their repertoire, their mentality, picking something up that may have just been a hundred percent intuitive for from that particular gym.
SPEAKER_04It's a universal language, ain't it? Yeah, like music. Yeah, I listen to all genres of music, though. I'm sure you do as well. It's like the same thing. Food as well. Uh yeah. All the arts as well. Yeah. I mean, it's universal. I've never owned an operated gym, so I have no idea. Like I said, I'm just a white belt woman. What do I know? Seriously. What am I even doing here right now? But that's when God is amazing. Amen to that. Amen to that. I wish Xavier could have come and hopped on with us. Me too. We will in the future. I love that. I want to get everybody on, might as well.
SPEAKER_01I saw him at the gym this morning.
SPEAKER_04Hey, next time you see him, you probably see him before me. I might come out there next Sunday. I don't know. Okay. But uh give him a dap and a hug. Got you. I got you.
SPEAKER_01I gave him one already today, so I got you.
SPEAKER_04That's what I'm saying. I'm like, damn, no. I'm like, dap like dapping and hugging already, anyway, though. It's just in anything and everything. Well, I got some new merch coming out soon. But you know what, though?
SPEAKER_01The dap and a hug is only for people who are are inside those walls, right? Like everybody has a barrier up, right?
SPEAKER_04It's always under your nose. You don't even realize it because you're battling with your demon inner demons.
SPEAKER_01Oh, 100%. And sometimes those sometimes interdemons, you know, they they they win certain battles, but they never win the war. I think they existed them screens, them tablets.
SPEAKER_04Bro, yes. Yes. I'm so interested and intrigued by this whole thing. I'm gonna I'm gonna do like a short film about it, like a scary, a horror movie. Yeah. And it's gonna be funny. Check out on it. I'm gonna write a script, probably. Has been hotel on Pride. Right. It's a cartoon. Hold on, time out. Oh, momento. I'm about to go to Peru, dog. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's gonna be dope. I was practicing my Spanish today. I love to practice my Spanish. That's one thing I do miss about being on the sticks, though. I've played with some people that speak Spanish, though. I practice my Spanish. I took some in high school and uh college. I've been to uh Puerto Rico, France, and Spain. Oh, that's what's up. Like the food over there, dog. The strawberries in France, dog. It's so crazy. The difference. Now, strawberry-wise, dog, Bush and Vine, shout to Sam Ho. Yeah. You talking about some leg quarters? Dog, like, so my favorite part of the chicken is lead quarters, but I quit buying them from like, you know, food line. My grandma used to call it food line. Francis. Um, I used to I quit buying them because it'd be so nasty when you clean it, though. Or any, no, no, shame or offense to any grocery stores. My point is, dog, shout out to Bush and Vine because dog, it wasn't hardly nothing to clean them, dog. It wasn't no hair on them, not a bunch of gunk and all that. And dog, it was magnificent. So you're a dark meat person, too. Yeah, though. And like the rib eyes was stupid. Oh, really? Yeah. All right. I'm gonna check them out. I gotta say, shout out to uh, I was over, I gotta time my hot ribot earlier, though, over at Bear Walbers. You ever eat over them? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, shout out to them. Shout out to them, though. I'll be up in that job, though. They put it down. Yeah, yeah, the whole squad. Shout out to y'all. I appreciate y'all, man. Um, but yeah, dog. 189 wins, 134 pins. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what kind of mindset does it take. You you explained the mindset earlier. I just want to just reiterate that uh and acknowledge that it's all about acknowledgement and giving people their flowers, dog. I'm the guy with the bouquet. It's definitely honest. You know what I'm saying? That's that's what that's what we do, though. That's how we're rocking. Expecting love, though. As it should be. Peace and love. You listen to the dead, though. You listen to Grateful Dead? Yeah. Look, did you see that? No, I didn't. I told you looked right there. Hey, but tell the uh what you know about it. Uh look at that number 11 right. This is my birthday number 11. Look at the van. Oh, yeah. My birthday 111, though. It's like a very spiritual. If you believe in, I ain't gonna say believe in, but if you numerology wise, 1111 is like, you know, spiritual. I I ain't gonna get into it right now. I'm very OCD about 1111 because I was born at like on 1111, at like 311, weighing like eight pounds, 11 ounces. Oh wow. Yeah, no. So I ain't got no choice, though. Just that's why I appreciate the grace, bro. Everybody that's been giving giving me grace, man. I appreciate y'all. God gets up most grace. Oh, most definitely. But yeah, though, like, I mean, that that I know your Rada. Yeah, that's my favorite joint. That trucking got it's it's oh the out there? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Lyric was dancing out there yesterday morning before school. Really? And it was it just started my day off by day off so beautifully, dog. Yeah. That out there, I can get a hymn out of that, bro. I listen to out there and I start humming the hymn. I was like, that junk rock, dog. They got soul in their music, bro. And it's like folk, blues. Uh, kind of not country. I don't know. I don't it's kind of how else would you explain it, dog? Nah, I would definitely say soul. I would definitely say soul. Shout out Steve-O. Man, I miss Steve-O, dog. We me and Steve O got locked in, uh, York Royal Elementary School. We saw a green grape on the floor. We just, it's everybody, you know, it was breakfast. Everybody gets your square pizza, you square paper on the pizza. No, I'm sorry, rectangle. Rectangle, yeah. All about angles to that row, remember? We was only locked in. We were the only people that was like, this is not a green grape, dog. But he put me on the dead, dog. He put me on sushi. A lot of other things, too, man. But I miss him, dog. He's been in uh Nevada for like eight years. But that's what I was talking to somebody recently about him, though. And like last time he I saw him, she was like two, he brought a grateful dead bell to her. His name was Charlie. He MIA now. I think he got thawed out, dog. Accidentally was cleaning the room, dog. I feel like he might be ghosts, dog, because I ain't seen him. No, Charlie. So shout out to Charlie, man. You out there somewhere, dog. Oh, is it I? Maybe he's in the van though. Right? Maybe he just takes it to the heaven. Shit's so damn fun, ain't it?
SPEAKER_01It is, man. Life is fun.
SPEAKER_04And then it's we're doing something productive, and the people can hit us, dog, and it's gonna help people. If one person gets something out of this, if one person takes their kid, the minor warrior, Carolina family, or um Rocky or Brazilian jujitsu, wherever, dog, like that'd be awesome. Yeah, wherever your home is home, that's fine. Just get him in. I started out in Taekwondo, like I said, at uh Master Pat's joint. Shout out to him. Yeah. Do you know him? No, I don't know. I know the gym, though. Yeah, I've heard the gym before. Yeah. I'm so sorry. I'm gonna come out there and see you, man. Have a conversation. So I'm about to promote what he got going on. That's why I started it. I gotta make it right about that. Oh, really? Yeah, I might cut that out. I'm gonna go sing. I'm gonna go sing. I'm gonna have to, bro. You should. He be in a parade and stuff. You know how they do like the Winterfest or whatever stuff. You always gotta focus on. Yeah. Christmas view. I can't keep up with the names, though. How you doing with like you be pretty good about remembering people's names? No.
SPEAKER_01As a matter of fact, I am absolutely horrible with it. Um it's it's a running joke at the gym, especially the ones that have been there for a while. Anytime we have like new kids come in, I'm not gonna remember the name. So they'll get about it. Unfortunately, this is one kid um came in the gym, new to new to our gym in high school, and I was like, he was like, Yeah, this is such and such. Like, I'm gonna call you Bird. Like Sergeant Bird. That's crazy. He was like, Why are you gonna call him Bird? I said he reminds me of a young Larry Bird. I nicked him Bird.
SPEAKER_04Hey, when I play basketball, they call me uh Tim Duncan. Oh, for real? Shout out to all the Y Knox, uh T-Boy, Kwan Harley. I just met Kwan Harley's son the other day. I went to see the uh guys practice up the street. No fussing. But um, yeah, they call me Tim Duncan, dog. That's just funny. Because I remember how I looked, dog. Like, hey, I'm like, hell, you know, I'm bald now. Yeah. Yeah, Isaac got me right though, dog. Isaac does good. He lined my beard up, you know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Super clean.
SPEAKER_04No nose. I ain't even oh I think that's my first time even been over in that area, dog. It's like in Fort Mill, you get off like uh Cabin's Boulevard.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. It's nice in though, bro. Oh, he's got the spot set up right. Shit sick, dog. He's got it set up right.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_01He's done a great job. Very impressed with him.
SPEAKER_04Damn. Well, I guess we can wrap it up, man. You got anything? How about just, man, some final words, you know, to the parents, man. And also to anybody out there that's dealing with issues or problems, any kids that feel like they ain't got no other way to go, or if anybody's thinking about suicide or they just feel lost, I feel like try wrestling jujitsu, please.
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_04I want to say that, but I want you to kind of, you know, piggyback off of that and just whatever you want to say to the people in the camera, please.
SPEAKER_01Failure's not forever. So regardless of what you feel you're not doing enough of or doing good enough at it, it takes time to improve. Be okay with being uncomfortable. Understand that change is going to be uncomfortable. The growing pains that everyone talks about is a natural thing. Embrace that pain so you can grow from that. The changes of being a parent, if you see your kid struggling, if you know they're they're they have opportunity or you can see what the final uh result could be, take a chance. Give them a month class, right? See if they like it, see if it's that community they need. Sometimes most of the time, kids will listen to other people before they listen to their own parents. Just because you're their parent, find somewhere you feel comfortable, you feel protected, and you feel has your and your child's best interest, and watch them flourish.
SPEAKER_04I'm about to uh detach this microphone and drop it. I want to say this too, man. It's important that, you know, it's always important, dog, trust, right? Yeah. Like I trust you, dawg. You're in my house, dog. Like, and it's important that kids understand the value of trust, and you will definitely learn trust at a dojo, a day gym. Like, we trust each other so much, dog. We ain't trying to hurt each other, we trying to help each other, we trying to learn. We don't want to use these tactics, dog. Like, one time, man, we was doing we was drilling, man. Me and um, shout out to Joseph Elkins, I think. Shout out, bro. I mean, we do ankle locks, though. I was like, bro, I was so serious, I'm probably I can't get a serious face right now. But I was like, man, I hope I ain't never gotta use this on nobody. And I looked at him like, I'm looking at you. I mean, I don't, but yeah. That's not why we do it. No. We want to be prepared to like stop something from happening and hopefully the the village, the people that just get people apprehended, you know. I think you gotta see the concrete, the concrete stuff is what's dangerous, dog, for real. You gotta learn physical control before you can learn emotional and mental control. But it applies to just everything, dog. Like if something happens, okay, you know, like they're saying, it's like uh if you're on like an airplane, if you you gotta put your mask on first before you can help somebody else. If you try to put somebody's mask on foot, then you may lose oxygen first. Is that right? Yeah, but don't panic. Jujitsu helps so much with that just because I mean I know a lot of people may go through things where you feel like you spowed out of control in the past. I have, I'm telling you. It helps with that kind of stuff.
SPEAKER_01100%. It's easy to recognize once you have that fight or flight recognition. It's cool too, because it helps with critical thinking.
SPEAKER_04Because I I've been a critical thinker for a long time, but now it's like off the charts. And I have to figure out every perspective, every angle to fix like if I make a mistake or if I feel like I might have disrespected somebody, I want to make things right. Yeah, you know, and then or just any other type of issue that may come up in life. Any puzzle, you know, put putting the pieces together, dog. Like it goes back to childhood, uh like playing Connect Forward or like checkers, and I know I want to get in the chest, but like, you know, those steps that you take in jujitsu, it kind of helps with like planning and analyzing, strategically planning for like business ideas, business decisions, personal relationship decisions, everything, dog. Are you playing your day kind of dog? But I don't know that I'll be like, you know what I'm saying, walking on that faith wire. So they just go hand in hand so well. I'm so grateful, dog. And I feel like if you can get in line with your faith and put that with jujitsu and or wrestling, or something. I mean, it's football out though. And it's team sports are very important value. Valuable because you learn that you like back to sacrificing yourself for the greater good. You can get rebounds, get the assists, whatever you're gonna do. You out there blocking, you're protecting the quarterback, dog. You got an assignment on defense, you blitzing, and then somebody gotta maybe pick up the slack and slide over or something. It all kind of connects, dog. And I think though, like all those athletes, man, if they could somehow get some kind of basic fundamentals of jujitsu and wrestling. Absolutely. I think it would be it would help them and everything else in life. Everything across the board. I think lacrosse. I had one of the winter, dog, the lady eagle lacrosse. I'm gonna cut my camera out there, dog. This is my first time using it, man. Shout out to um my man out there, the athletic director, dog. Um the dog. It was amazing what they was doing out there, dog. I was like, damn, we ain't got lacrosse at Northwest, do we? They don't have it in high school. The only place that has it, I think, was Legion.
SPEAKER_01Right, right, right, right.
SPEAKER_04But it's cool though, dogs. I look back at it now, because like, oh, I never even played basketball. This is funny. I ran into um basketball coach at Ross and Road, Coach Belton. Like I went out for like my seventh grade years, so I went out there and ran some suicides after Prairie. I ain't come back. But my point is I didn't play like YBOA as a kid. I played my driveway. I played, I used to play around the circle, dog, in York. You familiar with York? Yes. California Circle? Uh-huh. I don't know where that's at exactly. It's right after 321 bypass. My grandma used to stay up with her dog. Okay. She used to like the the the uh in the summertime, she had like the lunches.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Like the lunches for the kids, dog. But around the circle, we be playing, dog, in the backyard, where like I'm talking about, like, it's like something nailed up against like a rim of a tire or something up against like the telephone pole or something, dog, out there in the dirt playing.
SPEAKER_02Like, but I was never putting up IBOA. I'm like, what? Or nothing.
SPEAKER_04I don't understand that, dog. I really don't get that, dog. But my point is it's so many different avenues, and I think like kids doing multiple sports, multiple things. It's good for their brain. Yeah. Plasticity, and I'm not a neuroscientist, obviously. But I think it's good for them to do uh like different things. They got to music, play some instruments, dog. Gotta be versatile, versatile, dog. You gotta be, you gotta be able to improvise and adapt, especially with AI, you know? Bro, yeah. It's like Terminator, though, looking for John Carmen. That's what I'm saying. The skyline, bro. Who would you do if somebody pulled up, bro? Like, I don't know. It's crazy. It's a scary place where we could go. Yeah. What you think is gonna happen with that, dog? I think you see the one joints the video they had, like a it was like a concert or something going on. It was in China or something like that. It was like one of them bots and it kind of turned on somebody. Yeah, no, like it started getting away. I don't want to be around them. No, no, I want to be with people that know jujitsu and stuff like that. I'll be good over there. My family. That's it. I don't want to be around no damn bots doing security at an event. No, no, because then it gave me anxiety. That's like really what I'm gonna do. Along with this Black Rifle Coffee. Shout to Evan Haifer. Might end up meeting no one, who knows? It is the best coffee dog that I've had. I've heard it's really good. If you're local uh coffee owner business and interested in the sponsorship, holla at your guala soon or later. That's right. Hey, mute rap. What you think about them up the man? So I saw it immediately. I saw the lots of things. Start from the left. Like all the way. Like you did, you know, Uncle Joey.
SPEAKER_01Joey is the best storyteller in the game right now. Uncle Joey's hilarious. Did you really? You go ahead and I'll tell you about what I met him. Nah, I was just saying, man. I love I love watching his his his um his skits and and his reels. Like Joey's like, he's a funny dude. You remind me of Uncle Pee Wild, dog. Really?
SPEAKER_04He does, dog. Uncle Joey. I went to the comedy's oh dog. Oh, it's crazy. I was in the bathroom, you know what I'm saying? He's in the bathroom. I was washing my hands. And then, like, you know, you look up, like, this is the mirror, then you can see. And it was him. He was standing at the urino, and I can see the back of his head. I was like, wow, that's crazy. And uh, I was like, Mr. Diaz, he was like, Don't ever call me that. Now, and I knew better, dog, from watching Isla's podcast, dog, but I was just like caught out. It was him, dog. But me and him had like a good conversation going on. Then this dude came in, dog. Fratastic all the hell. Really? Like drunk. I've been there at Clemson, dog, especially, dog. Flip rainbows, flip flops, got done, khaki shorts, collar shirt. Yeah, he came in talking, dawg. So he just wrote the conversation. I'm hoping I can connect with Uncle Joe, dawg. I love his comedy, man.
SPEAKER_01I think Joey's a real man.
SPEAKER_04And I miss his podcast, though. That's the thing. I don't really listen to podcasts that much no more because I'm doing this. Right. Like working on editing, getting right with my camera. Lyrical Milka LLC. Do recaps for events. Hollow. But yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. That's a couple. Gotta figure it out. Gotta be an alchemist with it, dog. Full metal, dog. You got any, you do the summer camp?
SPEAKER_01Y'all do camps and stuff, dog? So we did a camp a couple years ago and we brought Roman Bravo Young in. And um, that was it was really fun. It was a one-day camp, but it was, I think, the first time we had like an actual wrestling camp in Rock Hill. It's um, it's just so much logistically to try and figure out. And um, we want to get another one in, but we want to actually bring in a female uh to do a camp. Because we had it at the at the Northside uh gymnasium.
SPEAKER_04Nice. You got anybody in mind?
SPEAKER_01Um, yeah, we got a couple people in mind. We got one that that kind of reached back out to us and told that she be game, but um it's the middle of her season because now she's coaching as well as competing. So she's coaching at college and she's also competing for the national uh US team. So if I can get her in, that'd be really cool and really fun to do. Just because I think it'd be a good changeup, especially with Rocky old girls doing what they're doing and and running going on the tear that they are, to have uh a public figure as a female come in and teach them some stuff, as well as the guys.
SPEAKER_04That's what I'm saying. Like my cousin Kiki, she does jujitsu as well, dog and females do it. Shout out to all y'all. That's awesome.
SPEAKER_01Sometimes the girls are more ferocious than the guys, man. Like they get they get after it.
SPEAKER_04You uh you follow any winter sports?
SPEAKER_01No, unfortunately, I don't I don't follow much sports at all. Like I'm between work, family, and and and the gym, there's there's not much time for anything else.
SPEAKER_04Shout out to Brand Pro for the awesome merch, Joe Gordon. I want to get some more merch from Keith. Oh yeah. He's got that one shirt where it's like kind of greenish, kind of. Oh the military green? It's black, but then it's greenish, and he's like he got like the chain around his neck.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I know which one you're talking about. Yeah, yeah. One of his uh, I think one of his fight shirts that he had made a while ago.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Is he is he gonna he had posted something on social man?
SPEAKER_01He's trying to get back on with bare knuckle, but every time they uh they schedule him, something comes up. I think the the last time they had him scheduled, his opponent broke his nose or something like that and couldn't get cleared by a doctor in order to fight. So just waiting on the next one. Shout out to Keith. Yeah, big shout out to Keith. But it's funny, man. Uh the even the impact that Keith has, because I mean he allows us to be in that gym and and run a nonprofit and took over his wrestling program and kind of been able to do what we do. Like he's changed the he's changed the the trajectory of a lot of people's lives. Like like um, we call him Joe Dirt.
SPEAKER_04But uh who's that? Tall Homan?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04I ain't trying to be rude, I'm trying to find these quotes.
SPEAKER_01Uh you good, no, no, no. Go right ahead, go right ahead.
SPEAKER_04You carrying it. I appreciate that. I appreciate it. And it's all good, though. Yeah, that's it. You can edit. That's it. I think I'm gonna put up a sign that say no for you. And I was thinking about telling my homeboys, man, make sure y'all take a shit at the house before you come up on the house.
SPEAKER_00Don't do that. Preventative measures. That's it.
SPEAKER_04I don't want I do not want nobody over here taking the shit at my house. If I can avoid it, you can, but if I can avoid it, dog, don't hey man, them grow mill shit is something else. Uh, full mill to alchemist. Um we headed towards, dog. You gotta be full milder alchemist with a dog. You do do different things to um like increase brain brain plasticity, dog. That's why I like learning a new language, dog. You know what I'm saying? Playing chess, doing jujitsu, wrestling, you know.
SPEAKER_01Dude, there's so much that goes into it when you're talking about this jujitsu in itself. Like, I'm I'm a third-degree purple belt in jujitsu. Yeah, I'm a forever purple belt, is what I say. Like, I'm okay.
SPEAKER_04I was telling Justin, I'd be 67. Years old when strike coming. I don't give a damn. Ego still left at the door. That's right. Amen to that. Amen to that. That's just funny, dog. I mean, I take it very serious, but um, but no, it's awesome, dog. But things start clicking. I was talking about uh jujitsu farts. I said it again, I messed up again. Jiu Jitsu brain farts. So I've been taking the lions, man, you know what I'm saying? So I can start remembering stuff, dog, because I be forgetting, bro. I mean, you know, we all boys, we all forgetful and stuff, but now I'm like, no, I gotta remember this jujitsu stuff, dog. Like when I'm drilling. No, 100%. I'm gonna get that, dog. It's awesome. And it's so important to like do that difficult thing. The challenge. The the uh yeah, pushing yourself out. Cause I mean, like, you know what I'm saying? Oh, have you seen that show Primal? No, I absolutely have to watch this show, dog. It is off the chain. What's it on? Is it on like a dope swim, dog? Okay, the dude that did like samurai jack, I think. I forget. Hey. Alright, I'm gonna check that out. Put it in your phone right now and just pull it up and look at it. Let me know what we gotta confirm. Before we end the podcast, I want to make sure you confirm you black eyes on that, dog. But seriously. Um the Dapp in the Hub Podcast or the Tapping the Hub Podcast. Uh, what's today's day? March the 7th. Yep. Start the warm-up, dog. We gotta figure out what we can do about the seasonal allergies. If I need to start planting specific like female plants uh uh this spring, I'm probably gonna do a vegetable. You ever had purple Cherokee tomatoes?
SPEAKER_01No.
SPEAKER_04Oh, I'm gonna put you on game. I'm gonna tell you one thing I love to do, dog. What's that? Get people get people from my harvest, dog, like tomatoes and vegetables from my garden. I love that, dog. That's beautiful. Bro, that's purple Cherokee tomatoes will change your life, dog. Alright. You can eat it like an apple. Really? Dog, you know, whatever you want to do as far as like a tomato sandwich, you can get your mayonnaise, do a little crack black pepper net mug. You know what I'm saying? Or we use it, put it in the salad, turkey sandwich, ham sandwich. You know what I'm saying? But I'm just saying, just straight up, uh, you ain't gotta have no salt, no pepper, you can just bite into it like a plum, dog. What happens to all the plum trees? Dude, I don't know. I think you got my what if it has something to do with the offset of the planting of the male plants back to the rabbit hole. But I'm serious. I'm just I'll be connecting dots out here. Oh, it's possible. Yeah, thinking about even the lyric constellation.
SPEAKER_01That's wild. That is crazy, though. Yeah, because I mean if if everything else is being overrun by some of these, but some of these bigger, older green trees that keep on setting this pollen out with no way receiving them. How do we know that the pollen that the plum trees can actually cross pollinate uh properly in order for them to continue?
SPEAKER_04Like a thief in the night. Bro, all day. I talk about me and my cousin back in the we used to rob plum trees. Oh, really? I'm sorry, every every person in the if you had a plum tree in your house, me and my cousin probably got to be. But nah, man, um I might check this people out when I get home. I got some kiwi plants. I got a male and a female kiwi plant. Oh, really? I finally, it's been like growing for like eight years now. I finally got a couple berries that survive. I had some growing a couple years ago, but you remember we get like that frost. Yeah. And then the next day to be like right above freezing, and like two more frosts back to back. Like that happened a couple times. Like the frost would kill it in those years. But this last year, had like the kiwi berries about the size of you know, it's about like this long. Really? About like that big around. Bottom of the house cut it and ate it. Because they got to a point the way they got like stunted. Yeah. And like you gotta like, honestly, man. I think I try to be as organic as possible, but you gotta add like fruit like stuff for them, like fruit fertilizer, like fertilizer fruit for fruit trees and stuff. Okay. Like organically, right? Like even like compost, would that work? Um it's something though. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01I have to look at what I got out there. I know they said like like natural compost from like like banana, um banana exhibits. Yeah, I did.
SPEAKER_04I didn't do compost, man. Like I do like, I use uh I have to look and see what I use. But I'm gonna tell you what I do use when I plant with some uh mushroom compost. Really? Semi else's back number two. Yeah, dawg, it's all tired, yeah, dawg. Yeah, I see that. I see that. That's beautiful right there. It really is. We mix that with the regular diet.
SPEAKER_01You got you have any experience gardening? No. I I I planted a couple trees. I'm better than my wife at doing stuff, so she makes me plant the trees and stuff like that. But like, as far as like a full-blown garden, we were gonna try and we started getting some stuff, but we had deer that went through our neighborhood and tear up everything. So we're like, ain't no point. You planted some fruit trees? Well, we did tomatoes, um, and we have crab we have a crab apple tree in the backyard. Perfect. And um, and they come and they tear it up, bro, every time.
SPEAKER_04I said perfect, brother, because I planted two Granny Smith apple trees. Really? I got up there from uh right by the District 3 Stadium. Um what's the name of that place, dog? Which one is two of them? The feast or at the um farmer's change? Is it pharmacy change? I think it's the pose runner. I think it is, yeah. Yeah, so back to the deer situation, bro. I did everything I was supposed to do. I got like the organic mulch, you know what I'm saying, around it, the space and dug up and put the mulch over the where the grass was. Yeah. Excuse my seasonal allergies. Back to that. Um, and one day I was like done something, definitely ate off the leaves. There's deer prints, deer tracks, right? That that damn plant slowly died. Um and like I was talking to Sam Hall about it. He was like, Yeah, if they ate a certain amount of the leaves off, it probably couldn't go through the process of photosynthesis. Yeah. But the other one's still alive. Because I was thinking, like, uh, like they had like some kind of parasite in their saliva or something. No, like seriously. Yeah. Just me thinking, trying to evaluate the situation. Like it could be something chemical in there that kind of starts the growth for the for the regrowth of leaves or anything. You know, I didn't like, so you know, when we it snowed recently, though. You ain't supposed to eat snow like on the road because of like people's exhaust fumes. Right. Oh knucklehead, though. Like, I'm smart, though. In some cases, though, like I did it though. Oh man. I'm okay. He survived it. Alright, brother.
SPEAKER_01So you say you're not gonna watch the fight tonight? I'm gonna try to. Well, that and that's I think some of the plans might have got adjusted because the the date night might be off now. So yeah, I'm gonna be watching it tonight. I'll be watching.
SPEAKER_04Where, where, where? What's the best restaurant in town you think? Ooh, in Rock Hill or just oh man. Um, just name what couple you like to go to.
SPEAKER_01I said Bell Wallace. Man, you you put me on the spot. I don't know, man. When it comes when it comes to eating and stuff like that, I may not. You do a lot of cooking? We do. We do a lot of cooking at the house.
SPEAKER_04We were talking about them knives earlier, though. I'll tell you I cut my finger. Yeah. That shit's bleeding like hell. I love cooking. I'm glad. I'm kind of glad I took a couple of days off from grappling. Cause I was gonna go in there and adjust my grips, but still, like, it'd be tough. I was gonna wrap it with tape. Yeah, but still, I'm kinda glad I took a couple of days off. 100%. Give some time to heal. It'll still be. I gotta figure out these mats, man. My homeboy's about to come through, dog. It's 5 30 now. Move this furniture around. Hopefully the mats will work. And then I'm gonna make sure you say mat tape, so just do that. Yeah, it's easy to do. Y'all I like drinking coffee while I'm doing it, man. We're gonna go ahead and wrap it up, man. Alright, bro. Peace out.