From Roots to Branches | DiAmond Miller Interview: Songwriting, Authenticity & Detour

What does honesty in music really mean?

In this episode of The Dap and A Hug Podcast, I sit down with DiAmond Miller to talk about songwriting, authenticity, creativity, and how real-life experiences shape the music he creates.

DiAmond shares his writing process, discusses using music as both therapy and self-expression, and even performs an unreleased verse from his upcoming album, Detour, releasing August 27.

Whether you're a fan of hip-hop, songwriting, or meaningful conversations about creativity and life, this episode offers an honest look into the mind of an artist.

Connect with DiAmond Miller

Instagram: @thediamondmiller

Spotify:
https://open.spotify.com/artist/4GxPVE6q5O56yzLtsPSIer?si=tfsnB1AGR3yE2MAA4ox23w&utm_source=copy-link

Apple Music:
https://music.apple.com/us/artist/diamond-miller/900546510

YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/@DiAmondMiller

Upcoming album: Detour — August 27

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Yeah, but congratulations on getting married, man. Appreciate it. How you living?

SPEAKER_00 0:04

I'm living alright, man. Living alright. I ain't got no complaints. Been married now for about four months or five months. Something like that. Yeah. But yeah, uh in Columbia, man, I just be working and working on music and working out and just trying to be my best self, you know?

SPEAKER_01 0:23

That's it. Hey, that's what it's about, bro. Same minus the music. Um well, obviously, I'm one of your hugest fans. Yeah, I appreciate it, man. You know what I'm saying? Like that one John that genocide. Like, I'm just so locked in with that song because when I first started this, it's the mission, it's a journey, but part of my mission, dog, it definitely helped me on my day-to-day activities. Going to and fro the gym, to and fro to jujitsu, to and fro to do podcasting. If I'm researching something, whatever it's playing in my hair, dog. Yeah. Crazy.

SPEAKER_00 0:54

That means a lot, man. Yeah. I had I had posted. I can is the microphone picking it up? I can't tell if I'm being recorded right now. Okay, you can? Okay, bet that's. If you want to, you can move it a little closer. Yeah, that works better for your audio.

SPEAKER_01 1:07

Yeah, it's cool. I got you good on the levels, cooking straight. And and yo, good to finally meet you. Yeah, nice to finally meet you too. I think I might have ran into you like I was saying in the past, but yeah, I know I knew Jay.

SPEAKER_00 1:18

Yeah, I mean, because if you knew Jay, then I was probably around him when I was a kid. I probably met you at that point, and you're cool with Jay Shannon too. So my brother and Jay Shann, cool people.

SPEAKER_01 1:28

Hopefully, you come through. Shout to Dylan, man. He had like a little tournament. You know what I'm saying? But uh, we don't want to. Yeah, so talk to me about genocide. Uh, what was going on? Like, I want to know like the day you woke up, or what the the the very initial start of the process of the manifestation of that project specifically.

SPEAKER_00 1:50

So uh Genocide is a part of Careless Adolescence 2, and Careless Adolescence 2, I want to say that came out in 2016. Yeah, same as my daughter Lyrice Bar. Yep, yep, oh yeah, for sure. Sorry, and um, yeah, for uh the for Genocide, the track. It's funny because um around that time that I created that, I was working on Careless Adolescence 2, so this had to be like 2015, 2016, not too long after I dropped Careless Adolescence 1. But to uh go in depth about that track Genocide, I was hanging out a lot with these guys to form another group, two other groups. And uh we called ourselves the family at that time, right? So I hate to get off off track a little bit, but um I ended up moving back to Rock Hill, South Carolina, after um stopped going to school in Columbia just for a small, small second. I moved back and um continued to work on music, and I came across the fuck academics. Yeah, at that time exactly. At that time, that's how I was thinking for that.

SPEAKER_01 2:54

That's how I felt about I'm not trying to interrupt you, be rude, but I just want to let you know that it kind of parallels with me. That's how I felt about like the last job I was at, getting a hamster wheel. Yeah, I was like, fuck it, it's time to go. I gotta go get it.

SPEAKER_00 3:04

Yeah, no, I I get it, man. Please continue. Yeah, but um no, I felt that same way, but at that time I was probably like 1920, maybe probably 19. But um, yeah, it was like from that mindset of somebody who was in college, and I was so knee deep into the music, and I just really thought that that was gonna go as expected and kind of put school on the back burner, at least for those few months, right? Uh, I moved back here. I actually continued to go to school at Midlands Tech at that time, just trying to get some prerequisites to get back in the USC. Um, but yeah, um, I was doing music with this guy named Jay Ovin and TJ, who goes by Bam Marley, and they create this group called what's the group name? Uh Master Music. It was them too, and then there was their DJ slash producer, Matt. But also it was these guys who are forming a group called CTM Cool Table Music, and this was Quay and this was Ralph. And uh we all just started making music together around that time, and we formed a family. And I was also working on my side project at that time, which was Kelly's Adolescent Stuart, really my main project. At this time, me and Bam, we were in the process of creating a song, and I asked him to get on this song that ended up being Genocide. So I actually go to his spot. I think I may have already had my first verse completed, or I was working on my first verse, and um, me and him, we were just hanging out, probably smoking and listening to this beat and writing to it. Eventually, we, you know, come up with verses or whatever. And I can't tell you the reason why he didn't end up getting on the song. I don't know, but I just ended up writing two verses to it, and then at that time I was recording Kelly's other lessons too, so I recorded that when I was recording some other songs for it. Yeah, that's kind of how that came to be.

SPEAKER_01 4:58

Bro, you approached that second verse in about a different like perspective, approach, mentality, it just seemed like you was just like, okay, I'm gonna go. I don't catch this beat a whole different way, yeah, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 5:08

And you know what? I think that that is partially in response to a verse that I heard Bam make for the song. And um, I don't know. Sometimes when I'm writing with somebody, or we are planning to get on the same song, sometimes I can come with a little bit more just come more vigor to it, or I approach it different, or I approach it as if man, I'm about to have the best verse on this, or I just want my verse to stand out, and that's kind of how that that second verse came. I think the first verse is already made.

SPEAKER_01 5:39

I ain't gonna sit here and ask you to spit it, man. It's available on Apple Music.

SPEAKER_00 5:44

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 5:44

That's uh yeah, I had made a post, man, about how many times I had listened to it in that first few months, man. It was insane.

SPEAKER_00 5:50

Yeah, that's dope, man.

SPEAKER_01 5:51

You're a real lyricist, bro.

SPEAKER_00 5:53

I try, man. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_01 5:54

I actually Googled you when it said, I mean, you know, whatever Google's gonna say, whatever, but it was funny because it said it's your actual, like, like you spit facts basically. Like it's like real. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of people need that, bro. Yeah, for sure. They need this conversation. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 6:08

That's the kind of music that that I need, you know? That's the kind of music that I appreciate, like real life stories or stuff that might teach you a lesson, or something that you just resonate with. So I guess that kind of leads me to attempt to make that kind of music. How others can or like their perception of the music or how they receive the music is um it's always good to hear when somebody, you know, enjoys it or it makes a difference in somebody's life.

SPEAKER_01 6:36

Yeah, one part that stuck out to me, quite a few did, but we say money is evil. Truth is we need it, but they said the devil's alive. Yeah. That's a lot in there. Like, you know, people like, yeah. You know, there's like more money, more problems. Yeah, exactly. Like money is a root of all evil. I mean, it's just that whole concept, uh, I guess it depends on where you are in life, how you like you said, receive it. Perceive it. Yeah, that's one thing about music, though. Like, some music is considered, I said considered timeless, man, from different genres across the across the board. Absolutely. I like all genres, man. Like, no offense to anybody that listens to like that death metal, man. Like, that's the one thing I can't get with all the way. Like, I listen to some punk right off. Like, I love bluegrass. That's I love Grateful Dead. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:20

I know there's a Grateful Dead style runner.

SPEAKER_01 7:24

So back to what we were talking about, like being authentic, right? So the locks is my favorite rap route. I mean Stars P. I'm at the Matrix Nucleus. Shadow came to the mirror, so I was the spookiest. Like just dead in itself. Like I fuck with St. SP. And then you know, like TI, you know what I'm saying? You know, like Wayne and other, but they that them them there, dog. Yeah, and then it's you like legit, like it's other like famous people I listen to, but like you on the list, ain't nobody appreciated.

SPEAKER_00 7:53

They be in the same class as the locks.

SPEAKER_01 7:55

That's just I mean, keeping it in the hundred, like that's what you're doing. That's what they're doing. Yeah, no, I appreciate that. And then you represent 803. True, that's true. Rock here stand up, eh?

SPEAKER_00 8:07

Rock here stand up.

SPEAKER_01 8:08

You said at the beginning of the song, dog go listen to it. Hell yeah. Selling her body for cheap. Don't need no receipts.

SPEAKER_00 8:13

She gotta repeat and tell that. Yeah, uh, she's selling her body for cheap. You don't get no, you don't get no receipt, but she's down to repeat. It's a lot in it, though. Like it is, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:23

It's like you you telling stories, it's like it's like people can relate, man. You know what I'm saying? The stuff you're talking about is a real deal. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:29

Yeah, man. I mean, literally, I can put myself back into that 19 or 20-year-old shoes whenever I was making Keller's Adolescence 2. And like a lot of the stuff that I was talking about in that project was stuff that I was experiencing. And um, even with that rhyme alone about she's selling a body for cheap, you know, getting a receipt, but she's down to repeat. I mean, that's based off of shit that I was seeing around that time. And like this was like and now I have a daughter.

SPEAKER_01 8:56

You know what I'm saying? That's what I'm saying, though. It's like I just want to say this and we can move on from it.

SPEAKER_00 9:04

I'm down to talk about this song as much as I can.

SPEAKER_01 9:07

Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I chill, get high, get fire, try my best to get by. Any day I might die. If it's heavy, I'll fly. If it's hell, I might fry. Tell my mama, don't cry. That leads up to the money is evil, children who need it, but they said that there was a lot. I just love it.

SPEAKER_00 9:26

I mean, uh man.

SPEAKER_01 9:30

Listen, it's difficult to be a fan of somebody, and we're cousins, by the way. But uh, we brothers, dog, like so it's it's funny, man. It's hilarious, though. Trying to like manage that. But jujitsu helps.

SPEAKER_00 9:45

Yeah, yeah, true, true, true.

SPEAKER_01 9:47

Oh, yeah. Speaking of, so on that second verse when you go in, like the way you're approaching and everything, because like you know, I like to rap along and stuff like that, but you gotta have your breathing right. Like, how do you breathe? Like, do you do like certain breathing techniques? How do you say you work out? Can you go into how fitness plays a part?

SPEAKER_00 10:01

Yeah, yeah. I mean, whenever I made that song when I was like 20 or something like that, I was probably in, I ain't gonna say the one of the worst shapes I was in, but I wasn't doing a lot of working out, and I was doing a lot of smoking, a lot of drinking, yada yada, yada. But um, yeah, you know what? I think part of like my breath work, even when it comes to like some of my older music that I was putting out, like I was spitting fast and kind of a um just like steady attack type of um thing. But um I think I just wanted to do that because I thought it was cool when I was growing up listening to Bone Thugs and Harmony and shit like that. And like Busy Bone was one of my favorite artists around that time when I was a kid, so I always wanted to like just learn how to rap fast, and um yeah, I guess it's just practice. I mean, even now, I don't like really do breath work, but I do work out now, and I mean I I like to think I'm in pretty good shape, but um, I guess that does probably help when it comes to like a flow like that and just getting into the realm of the phone.

SPEAKER_01 10:59

Yeah, because it's physical, but you don't, you ain't just sitting there sitting still like a robot sitting like boo. Yeah, like you you can feel it through the music, though. Exactly. You can see it through the music for sure. Talk to me about uh mystical, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:12

Mystical. So mystical was one of the first tracks I ended up releasing from a project called Um Dewtime. Dew Time was a project that I created with Milan Makes Beats, Caleb. It's funny because Milan makes beats, he's from Rocky Haleb, from Rocco. Um I knew him as a kid because his dad used to do my mom's hair. I think they still might do stuff together, who knows? But um yeah, Caleb was really popular. Uh his production was back in like 2016, 2015, SoundCloud era. So was Young Icy, who did Carol's High Lessons one, Carol's out of lessons two. He had some beats on a project I put out. Yeah, it's just funny because them two, I've done projects where they end up being really popular around that era. Either way, uh, Mystical produced by Milan Mix Beats, sent me the beats, sent me a pack of beats, and whatever the rhymes were in that particular song is just what I was feeling at that time. And um, you know, just um, yeah, and I mean, you know what? That's the around that.

SPEAKER_01 12:16

People say that people gonna say what they want to say. I'm sorry to interrupt, but no, I said it about certain music, certain groups. Yeah, yeah, famously known for your musical times, in my opinion. Yeah, man. That's the best, honestly, bro. That's like the best compliment I can give you.

SPEAKER_00 12:28

Yeah, and then that's a huge compliment. And that's the biggest compliment I ever received. Because I mean, that's what I aim for it to be. I know that um sometimes the way that I look at my older music, like I still think that it's cool, I still think that it's dope, but I also think sometimes it's for my audience who was probably going through the things that I was going through at that time. So I hope that it can continue to stay around and people 10 years from now who might be experiencing what I was experiencing during that time, they it can resonate with them. So saying something is timeless, that's that's big for me.

SPEAKER_01 13:03

Who can't relate to that? Like, we be fussing, we be fighting because shit, that's what brothers do. Yeah, for sure. For sure, for sure. I was just thinking about you and you know your brothers, uh nobody Lamb was around, maybe. I don't know. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, man. I mean, other but people got brothers, they understand that though. Like I don't even got I got a half brother. Shout out to Dave, he's actually in town right now.

SPEAKER_00 13:22

But I mean that I mean, the way I look at it, half brother or not, that's still that's still your brother, you know.

SPEAKER_01 13:27

I mean, I'm just I'm just you know, I need to be specific about it. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, not the same thing, a different mama, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 13:34

And uh brother though, yeah, man. Shout out to Dave Thompson.

SPEAKER_01 13:36

You say he do the podcast, though. He appreciates stay at Winston. He a what now? He a preacher. He lived in Winston, Salem. He recently he got married same year you did, but he got married in June.

SPEAKER_00 13:46

Oh, okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:47

No, August.

SPEAKER_00 13:48

Yeah, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 13:49

August. You got married in October. I got married in October, yeah. The 25th or something, right?

SPEAKER_00 13:52

Yep. August, that's a good month to get married too. I know it's popular, probably popular season. Yeah, I'm sure he probably got a lot to talk about, man. He a preacher, he can't.

SPEAKER_01 14:01

I was asking him, shout out to Sergeant Bird. He just sent me some, he did a podcast. He's with the uh National Guard. Yeah, bro. Talking about like I was talking about like some dreams that I've had. Like, I don't know if you remember your dreams, but I've had dreams just like seeing like crazy stuff going on in the sky type shit. You know what I'm saying? Like just beautiful stuff. That's crazy. I'm apocalyptic stuff. But anyway, yeah, everybody had dreams that they fly. I've had dreams like that as well. But so I go like warp speed and I'll be like seeing like nebula. Yeah, you know, like that's clusters of stars and stuff like that. I'm very interested in that. This stuff looks so awesome.

SPEAKER_00 14:37

Yeah, we're talking about the constellation earlier that you saw recently. Yeah, I got the tattoo.

SPEAKER_01 14:43

Shout out to uh Sienna Dean. Uh shout out to the whole Carolina family jujitsu. Love all y'all. Um yeah, dog. The uh constant I'm gonna circle back, I'll circle back to that. Uh what was I talking about?

SPEAKER_00 14:56

But you're talking about uh dreaming of.

SPEAKER_01 14:58

Oh, yeah, like just flying. Because I mean, so like in the book of Enoch, you know what I'm saying? He was talking about flying with the angels. I'm not saying I was flying with the angels, I'm talking about like the vision I saw, or you can call it a dream or whatever. Like just saying go through different dimensions and stuff, dog. And the way he was kind of describing it made me think about that. Yeah, like seeing stuff like that.

SPEAKER_00 15:15

Yeah, you know what? I'm I'm reading a book right now that talks about the unconscious mind and it talks about like the meaning of dreams, and it's by this um psychologist, I think it was CG Jones. So it's like a really popular book. I think it's called like something, blah, blah, blah, yada yada, the modern man, or something like that. But it's all about like, you know, the unconscious mind and how you spend 50% of your life, or maybe it's a little bit less of a percentage of that in the unconscious realm. So it's gotta be something there that you can pull from your unconscious mind that's gonna be helpful to you and and your conscious life.

SPEAKER_01 15:52

And the video he has sent me was talking about the Nephilim, talking about like it's not really angels, angels, it's like interdimensional demons, basically. The followers came down. Yeah, the book of Enoch goes in more detail about what they did. Like they took women, had sex with them, forth. Nephilim. And they got trapped. Uh-huh. So they like the giants. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:20

Or like now, it's like you ever see those pictures where they say like it's supposed to be like a not necessarily a statue, but like a work of just um nature, and then you actually see like a big ass giant on the side of this thing, or that it's like they say that it's a giant's body that ends up you know um being affected by nature, like like his his dead body end up becoming like a mountain type of thing. I love the Lord of the Rings and shit like that. Yeah, I love it. I see that kind of shit on the internet from time to time.

SPEAKER_01 16:55

Yeah, I mean, I've seen some shit legit. Sure. You know what? It was Christmas Eve. I ain't like trying to stay up to like catch Santa Claus and whatever. Yeah, kid shit. Something came to the like side of my bed. It was like a short figure. I felt like it was like an elf. Yeah, but it was like scary. I was scared.

SPEAKER_00 17:21

He was he was trying to kick it.

SPEAKER_01 17:23

I had no chance. I had like a black belt and taekwondo. I was still, you know, soft or whatever. You ever thought maybe this was something?

SPEAKER_00 17:29

It's just something like dark.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

When I thought about it as an adult, reflecting back.

SPEAKER_00 17:35

Yeah, I was like, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:36

And now, and now specifically now, because what we're talking about now, they might have been. I'm like, oh, connecting that. Like, damn, but like the way I felt, dog, like dog. Did you feel? I was scared to even turn and look on my shoulder. Like, I was scared, dog, because I was like, it was like I felt the force saying, You bet now you better go to sleep. Like, it was it was weird, though. That's like don't turn on like it was weird. Yeah, I've told people about that. Yeah, that's insane.

SPEAKER_00 17:56

I mean, did like as a kid, I'm guessing you kind of thought that it was really an elf who was trying to keep you in bed so you don't spoil the surprise.

SPEAKER_01 18:03

That might have been it. I don't know what it was. Uh it was like it'd be like sleep paralysis, too.

SPEAKER_00 18:08

But uh experiencing sleep paralysis at that age is scary as fuck.

SPEAKER_01 18:11

That's a real thing. I'm gonna get an expert and talk about that, but yeah, we could do research and talk about that. I'm no expert when it comes to that. We just rush across the surface, dog, but that's it. That shit real dog. That shit, that shit. I don't like that shit, bro. That's what happened to me countless numbers of times. That's scary. I'm talking about where I'll be like, you know, like coming up and seeing my body trapped at the old house.

SPEAKER_00 18:31

Damn, that's screwed. And shit like that.

SPEAKER_01 18:32

Uh like just moving and like can't stop and slow down, like trying to get to a certain point and keep going past it, kind of like a pinch on the swing. Yeah. Kind of like in life, you're trying to get these goals. Oh, you got these illicit ideas or whatever you want to do. You be on the right track, but you can't really force, you gotta just I just follow the I'm just a vessel.

SPEAKER_00 18:52

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 18:53

I'm just trying to, I'm just trying to help people, dog. I'm not here connecting a dot, dog. Just like I was saying when I went camping a year ago in May when my homeboy shot at Carrie Walter, we're gonna get some trout soon. We're going back out there and catch some trout, dog, just camping, dog. You ever been trout fishing?

SPEAKER_00 19:08

Not that I can think of. I don't think so. Maybe when I was a kid.

SPEAKER_01 19:12

Yeah, up in Transylvania County, dog, in Asheville.

SPEAKER_00 19:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 19:17

It was like blue fireflies, too. Shit, that's dope. But I looked up, I was like, what is that star up there, dog? I love looking up at the stars anyway. The most beautiful canvas, you know, no shit to destroy any any any artists. Because I believe that guy works through people to create beautiful art, but you know, the real deal is when you look up and like when you got all the light pollution.

SPEAKER_00 19:35

I was gonna say, how nice is that to like be in nature and be able to look up and like fully see the stars without like the city lights and shit like that.

SPEAKER_01 19:43

And I used one of the apps and it said the name of the star was Vega. Which is, you know, well, I mean, I mean I didn't know until the time it's the fifth brightest star in the universe. Her the app. And um, like where she was born on January 5th. I just made that connection like a couple days ago. But uh then I looked it up, though, it was a constellation Lyra. You know, her name's Lyric with a K. So dog, I had to get it uh Yeah, man. At 41, I got my first tattoo. And it didn't, it didn't hurt at all, though. Yeah, I wanna get I wanna get another one. I wanna get another one before I left. Yeah. I want to get another one.

SPEAKER_00 20:15

You got the tattoo bug now.

SPEAKER_01 20:17

Oh, it's just it's a problem.

SPEAKER_00 20:19

Now you're just gonna wanna keep getting tattooed.

SPEAKER_01 20:20

Yeah, it's gonna be it's a problem now.

SPEAKER_00 20:22

Yeah. But uh it's like the one like there'll be times after I get a tattoo where I'm thinking, like, why don't I get a tattoo? And then a few days after I'm like, alright, this is dope. I c think I want another tattoo. That's kind of how it goes.

SPEAKER_01 20:37

So why does honesty matter in music?

SPEAKER_00 20:40

Honesty. Why does honesty matter in music?

SPEAKER_01 20:43

You're the perfect person, honestly.

SPEAKER_00 20:44

I think honesty matters in music because I mean some people look at it as an art form where you can release you know what you're thinking about in your mind, kind of using it as a you know, a coping mechanism before life is therapeutic, as you said. Yeah. So I think that being real about or real and or honest about what you're going through in life is super important to put into music because you want to eventually help somebody who might be also experiencing this. But sometimes you can be selfish about it and you look at it just as a personal thing for you to get your feelings out, get your thoughts out. And because you're doing that, if you're being honest about what you're experiencing, then you're being honest in your music. And sometimes that can help you get through that, and then down the road it can also help other people. I think that's why it's important. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:34

I totally agree. Yeah, man, some people disrespect artwork. I was told a story by somebody that I know that's an artist, and like the person had forgot that she even painted it for 'em. That what the person forgot that she had even painted it for her.

SPEAKER_00 21:50

Oh, wow. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:51

I felt I was like, Yeah, I'm getting a little mad, a little I'm real I got like I'm real empathetic, though, so that can be a gift and a curse. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:00

Could you feel other people's pain whenever somebody going through it? Because I'm an artist.

SPEAKER_01 22:03

Like I'm really an artist so hard, dog. I mean I'm not like I mean I'm very humble, dog. But as far as I love to create, I've always wanted to create. I just never took that step, dog. I finally did.

SPEAKER_00 22:13

Yeah. That's that's great that you finally did. I mean, I feel like it's so many people, even people that I know were like, you know, they always had this passion inside of them for a specific kind of artwork. And it's like even when they're young or like in high school or somebody, they might be passionate about something, but they actually are like ashamed of people like you know, seeing what they are into or afraid of people's response as to like if they're skilled or talented or not, and then they hold off on it for so long, and you know, it's kind of not gonna say lose the passion because they probably end up doing it, but you could have started doing that shit way earlier. I mean, I'm talking about I'm not talking about you know.

SPEAKER_01 22:59

I was like, man, I wish I could go back to school. I would mean I would have gone for videography, I would have got me a camera and just started off in videography. Let me say something. Shout out to Joe P. Oh man, we gotta talk about we gotta talk about uh Dupree, dog. That track but me and Joe P back in Clemson, dog.

SPEAKER_00 23:17

Wait, when did you hear that track?

SPEAKER_01 23:19

I'm gonna try to explain how I'm gonna try to I'm gonna try to give you a timeline. And do you still have access to that? No, man. I've been asking you and your brother for access to that.

SPEAKER_00 23:28

Yeah, I don't even have access to that.

SPEAKER_01 23:29

You know, I need to clap.

SPEAKER_00 23:31

I probably do somewhere. It's probably I need to hear that.

SPEAKER_01 23:33

Yeah, it's on one of my that's actually the first thing I heard about you, though. He that's what I'm saying. Shout out Joe P. He put me over there. But actually, the main reason I said shout out to Joe P we like back in Clemson Doll, like we had there like a uh like a smack DVD joint or whatever. Yeah. Um nothing.

SPEAKER_00 23:47

You talking about Jonathan Patton?

SPEAKER_01 23:49

Not his brother Joe. He knows Jonathan. Oh, yeah, Joe. I think Joe. I'm a holler. He might be, he might want me to edit.

SPEAKER_00 23:55

Wait, is is it three brothers? Is it three of them? Okay, so one of them is like close to my age. We went to school with him. The other one, that's the middle brother. I remember playing like basketball around him, YMCA.

SPEAKER_01 24:06

Yeah, Jew Boy, he up there at uh at the City of Rock here. Shout out Jamie Brandon. Um And Drew Boy as well, obviously. But yeah, so we was like, you know, just hanging out and we was like recording and just rapping, right, or whatever, right? And like we I was like, yeah, I'm gonna do this again, dog. Like, just freestyle and whatever. It's a lot I wanna do in music. Uh I just I gotta, I can't be a master of none and a man of water few, whatever that saying is.

SPEAKER_00 24:34

True.

SPEAKER_01 24:34

But so yeah, this is obviously I'm on this, but then I gotta get right on other things like my camera and stuff like that. But I say it to say this, though. I was kind of interested in stuff like that, but then they lost the the video. Like the dude lost it or whatever. Long story short, we just gonna fast forward. This was probably when I had, I was back in Rock Hill about 2006 ish, dog. I had moved from Clemson back to Rock Hill, graduated from winter 2008. It was around that time when I heard Dupree, I think. And dog, I was like, what? But I didn't jump, I didn't I checked out some of your music, but I didn't do a deep dive like I did, you know, after being like connected on the phone or whatever, though. I was like, I gotta, and then I was stuck on Mystical for a while. I was like, okay, then I started listening to the other jump, and then at Genocide, uh, like I don't and then the whole jump ride, oh begin and the end.

SPEAKER_00 25:23

Oh, what can you ask for? That's sick, man. I wish I still had access to that song. Again, I think it's on one of my old laptops, but it's like funny I got access to your laptop right now.

SPEAKER_01 25:34

Get them on the line.

SPEAKER_00 25:35

Yeah, can I tell you why that song is actually pretty important to me? So um, by that, because I think I came out with that song maybe like 2013. This was um on SoundCloud initially, and by that time I was already like doing music in high school. I probably put out a handful of projects, but I was trying to like uh get more of uh following on SoundCloud at that time, and then I came out with that song, and of course, it's called Dupree Heart, and um yeah, that just got me a lot of followers on SoundCloud because that song became somewhat popular, especially in like Rock Hill, but even like outside of it, you know. Do you think he got it? Would he I doubt it? But if it's like been on our nose a whole time, obviously, obviously he would have it because that would be sick, but I I don't I don't think I ever like sent it to him unless he just downloaded it on SoundCloud or something like that. Yeah, I saw him not long ago, it's probably like a year ago, so it's been a minute, but yeah, shout out to it, bro.

SPEAKER_01 26:35

Shout out to all the Trojans, shout out all the bedcats, all the stallions, everybody. You know what I'm saying? How is it like when you're talking about certain stuff and then you don't want to obviously you don't want to say names, but sometimes you do people gonna obviously know what you're talking about and kind of just swerve through that? You popping curves and swinging corners, trying to, you know what I'm saying? You gotta get the truth out there, though. And like, yeah, you know, I mean, no, as a man, we don't want no problems with nobody. And how do you stare that and do that in a respectful way?

SPEAKER_00 27:00

And like, hmm, like you say, what you said about William Lynch mode, what you said about that? Um fuck, I don't know what I said. I got the lyrics, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:08

I was up, I ain't gonna say how long I was up last night, but I was listening to the song because I didn't have the lyrics, like, so I was like going back, I typed out all the lyrics, yeah. And before we started, he corrected me. I wouldn't I had misinterpreted it.

SPEAKER_00 27:20

Yeah, well, but um genocide was uh I and I guess your question was like, how do I maneuver through that process without um like really messing with it? You know what a ruffle feather is, but you're gonna do your thing, but it's like you know, yeah. I mean, there's definitely been times where I talk about like my personal life or like my family life, and you know, somebody might have questions about it, but all in all, they don't get too upset about it. But like growing up and like being in high school or early college years, I would say people's names, and I mean I really just didn't even care because I it it was hardly ever me saying something like malicious or like you know, saying something that would really ruffle feathers. A lot of the shit that I said it'll just be funny, or like it'll be something about one of my friends, and they already know like what the truth is, and they don't even care.

SPEAKER_01 28:10

That's what's uh uh I like your style because yeah, I appreciate it, man. We got a lot of catching up to do that.

SPEAKER_00 28:16

When your uh next album you said? Um I'm working on something right now, and my plan is to release it before the end of this year. I'm trying to just really take some time and craft something that's special. But I'm probably like seven songs in and I'm looking for ten to twelve, maybe more. So I'm gonna keep working on that.

SPEAKER_01 28:36

10 to 12. So basically 11 model. Yeah, but something really about playing football in high school.

SPEAKER_00 28:41

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 28:42

What position you played? Running back. Oh shit, he's carrying that mail.

SPEAKER_00 28:46

Mm-hmm. Yep. Growing up, I played running back. Uh I played cornerback for a little bit too.

SPEAKER_01 28:54

Did you play in college at all?

SPEAKER_00 28:55

Nah, hell no. Nah. Um, I played for Northwestern, 9th and 10th grade. Ended up going to South Point towards the end of my 10th grade year, if I'm not mistaken. And then I played with South Point Stallions for my 11th grade year. I tore my ACL my 11th grade year. And I mean, I had surgery, went to rehab. I probably could have played my senior year, but I decided not to. I was just like, you know what, I'm gonna focus on music and focus on school and yada yada. I really wasn't all that focused on school as I should have been, but I made it through. Didn't play in college though.

SPEAKER_01 29:32

So one of the funnest things I've ever done in my life is just somebody on the keys. I got my bass guitar.

SPEAKER_00 29:37

You play bass?

SPEAKER_01 29:38

Yeah. You pretty good? I'm alright. That's dope. I'm definitely not an expert. Yeah, I mean, if you can make it to you. I want you to uh I'm gonna introduce you to my homeboy Carrie who I went camping with. Oh he uh he's a bass, he's a legit expert in a guitarist uh you got any shows coming up?

SPEAKER_00 29:56

Mm-mm. I don't have any shows coming up, man. Um I couldn't tell you the last time I performed this. It's been a while. I mean, it's not something that I'm like upset about. It's just like I just don't.

SPEAKER_01 30:08

Just whenever you're back in the season, whenever the spirit movie is, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:12

Whenever that, yeah, whenever that does happen, I'd be more than happy to like, you know, perform and do something live. I just haven't done it in I haven't done it in a while.

unknown 30:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:21

What's your writing process like?

SPEAKER_00 30:23

Just listen to beats and whatever comes to me, whatever I'm going through at that time, I try to put it on paper, try to come up with a hook, try to come up with some verses for it. Sometimes I'll have like an idea in my head already, or like a just like a song idea or a topic, and then it may be weeks from there where I start to create something from it. Yeah, so it's different from time to time because sometimes it's just like a beat, and then I'm writing to it. Other times I get the idea and then I find the beat and it just all work out.

SPEAKER_01 30:57

That's my baseline for my intro, but I ain't done that yet. I think maybe if I do it and get it right, though I'll see if you can spit something on it. Maybe so. That would be maybe so. That's something we can talk about. That would be something we could talk about for sure, though. Yo, hey, you been outside of the country? I haven't. I have not been outside of the country. Got any plans or going?

SPEAKER_00 31:15

Yeah, yeah. I had a passport for a couple years now. I'm finally getting on a plane. This will be my first time getting on a plane since getting my my passport, which is a couple years back, but planning on going to DC next month.

SPEAKER_01 31:30

Hey, shout back, shout out to Jay Shane. He just came back from DC. Yeah. Shout out to Rip. Rip just got married. Hey. Everybody get married. Shout out. Hey, but dog, he was talking about how awesome it was up there, man. Yeah. I got some family up there too. Shout out to you. DC. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:43

I hear great things about DC. Like I remember my brother Marcus when he was had good things to say about it. Yeah, I met Marcus. I definitely met Marcus.

SPEAKER_01 31:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And your pops know my pops. Yeah. Rome Rome.

SPEAKER_00 31:58

That's him. That's him. J Rome.

SPEAKER_01 32:01

Where you work out at?

SPEAKER_00 32:03

I work out at this place called uh One Life Fitness in Columbia. I'm gonna say it's like five gyms in Colombia through this uh one company. Yeah. But um, yeah, it's like right down the street from me, so it's like real convenient. I just roll out of bed, get right, and I drive there, probably take me less than two minutes. It's like really right down the street. It's like right right across the street from us, basically. You be enough? Uh not as much lately, but uh when I was like trying to lose weight and stuff. I mean, I used to do it a good bit of that time. I just I don't know why, I just don't do it that much no more. It just takes a lot for me to like pack my bag and pack a towel and everything. I'm like, you know what? Let me just go ahead and take it back into the crib. Hey, dog.

SPEAKER_01 32:45

I'll be using up so many paper towels. After using the saddle, I actually offered to donate the paper towels too to gym that I'm gonna.

SPEAKER_00 32:51

Wait, you use the paper towels after you get out of the soda? Do they not offer towels there? Not since COVID. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:58

I ain't gonna say the name of the city. You know what?

SPEAKER_00 33:00

That's probably why they do that at One Life. I don't think they offer no towels. You gotta take your own towel, man. That's why it's so hard for me to go to the sauna, because like, bro, I ain't got a towel.

SPEAKER_01 33:09

Hey, that's what that's where you can put some brown paper. They're hard ass brown paper.

SPEAKER_00 33:16

You gotta get in the car, still sweaty. Yeah, man. So, what's going on in DC? Um, just going with my wife, check it out. I'd see I'm into like history and museums and shit, so that'll be exciting. Yeah, I've been in DC before, and I went to the um African American museum, but I was like maybe 21 at that time, so I want to go at this age and really take it all in. Yeah, you might be in the window. Yeah. I'm trying to give you your flow. I'm giving you your flow. Yeah, you are.

SPEAKER_01 33:48

I appreciate it, man. Okay, I gotta ask you this. I'm so glad I thought about this. Yeah, you know how some people out there they say that just don't like music. That's weird to me.

SPEAKER_00 33:56

Do you know anybody like that? No, I don't know if I don't know if I don't you only need those kind of people on the internet.

SPEAKER_01 34:01

Listen, bro, I'm all about not making assumptions, but you know, I'm a critical thinker. I think about all perspectives.

SPEAKER_00 34:08

Yeah, you know what I'm saying? But I feel like that's usually white people. I feel like because I mean, black people, at least if I think about my upbringing and like even the upbringing of my friends, like my close friends, it's it was always music playing in the house. It was always music playing in the house.

SPEAKER_01 34:24

So I mean What was playing in the house back in the day?

SPEAKER_00 34:27

Oh, um like at your grandma's at like my dad is playing like Prince or Outcast or Norris Barkley or some old school stuff, a hip, a hop, a hibit, that kind of stuff. Like for real. And then my mom playing like RB. I don't know if you remember, but they used to make these like RB volumes. It was just like a compilation of the RB songs that came out around. Yeah, commercials, info commercials. Yeah, all that kind of shit. Yeah, my mom used to have all that shit. So she used to always, you know, black moms they play that while you're cleaning the house. And I'm just like, I I don't think a lot of white people's parents was doing that. Maybe they were though. Maybe some of them.

SPEAKER_01 35:06

Hey, so back in the day that I missed these days. Back back to my grandma's house. We I totally went off on a tangent and got lost, but we're gonna circle back to that for real, cuz like Odis, like Odis Red. Yeah. Obviously, like the temptations like that, the Dells. Um, you know what I'm saying? Who's that? Honey, you are my shining star. Don't you go away. The Manhattans, right? Manhattan's, okay. And you know, Isaac Hayes. Isaac Hayes was a beast. Uh, a lot of people, you know, he was he was he was that guy, you know, he was like the chef or whatever. So his music was where it was at. He was in shaft or whatever, but shaft, yeah. Of course, Mike Jack, my Uncle Rat used to look. My Uncle Rat was the one who used to go pick the poke salad. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? I mean, of course my grandma did too, but I remember like going with him and picking poke salad. My grandma used to cook poke salad, though. Yeah, definitely poke salad. You don't have post salad before?

SPEAKER_00 35:55

Yeah, for sure. Thank you. You might be the first.

SPEAKER_01 35:58

This might be the first uh official first guest that I had on us that actually ate poke salad. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 36:03

I mean, we both from Rock Hill, so it's like people don't know that's a thing.

SPEAKER_01 36:07

I'm trying to educate, like, stay away from the seeds.

SPEAKER_00 36:09

Yeah, you gotta be careful because you gotta cook in a certain kind of way, right? You gotta put that fat battery in it. That's um it might be what it was. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 36:17

It can't be we gotta get primal sometimes, though.

SPEAKER_00 36:20

Yeah, shit. True. No, true.

SPEAKER_01 36:23

Yo, it's a show on the dope soon called Primal. Please watch it. I don't know if you like Apple.

SPEAKER_00 36:28

Okay, primal. I'll check it out. Bro, so it's like a like a dope cartoon type shit. Yeah, yeah. I like the concept.

SPEAKER_01 36:35

It's like he um it's like a caveman type situation. It's like dinosaurs and shit around and just all these crazy monsters. That's dope. It's like it started off in like a dinosaur kill like his family, uh-huh, and it kills a family of a like T-Rex type looking joint. Uh-huh. So they end up teaming up together and they go on this like journey together trying to get this guy. It's ruthless. No, they take care of that jump right quick. And then they just out to the races and just primal, it's say the name of it say that off. Yeah. That they just had yeah, I just had a third season come out, dog. He like a zombie in there. Spoiler alert. You can see it when you look at it, like, okay, yeah, he whatever. But I'm gonna check it out.

SPEAKER_00 37:10

That sounds cool.

SPEAKER_01 37:11

No, that full metal alchemist Brotherhood. Yeah. I ain't even gonna mess with him, dog.

SPEAKER_00 37:18

You say you have not watched that? No, I haven't. Nah, I don't watch cable a lot.

SPEAKER_01 37:24

Yeah, no, I got uh it's on HBO. Oh, it's on Netflix. Oh, Netflix. Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood's on uh Netflix.

SPEAKER_00 37:29

What is it called?

SPEAKER_01 37:29

Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood. Full Metal Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood. Okay, it's all about the law of equivalent exchange, my brother. Yeah, and it applies to everything, and then it's like these homunkey law, which is basically like they basically dog like causing wars to sacrifice souls and harnessing souls to put in like AI bots, basically is what they're doing. And there's like seven main ones, and they all apply to each sin. It's like different ones, like wrath, that's like Colonel Bradley, yeah, pride is like his little son, it's so creepy, dog. But it's everything, dog, and lust, envy, all of them, dog, gluttony, and the way dog, they the way they do that shit, dog, and uh it's the two brothers, Edward and uh our Alphonse, Elric, they try to bring their mama back to life, and you can't do that, that's like the ultimate scene. So he loses his arm and like his leg or something like that. Well, yeah, I got him right there.

SPEAKER_00 38:17

Damn, I gotta check that out. That sounds crazy.

SPEAKER_01 38:19

Yeah, he comes, uh he loses his arm or whatever, right? Yeah, but and his his brother's soul get trapped. So, in order for him not to go his brother not to go to the other side, he they have gotten um transferred his soul into their armor that his brother's wearing.

SPEAKER_00 38:37

Yeah, that's that's crazy. But yeah. About people who don't listen to music, how do you feel about them? Oh, thank you for going back when people when people tell you, you know what, I don't I don't like music. I don't listen to it.

SPEAKER_01 38:46

I don't think I met that's what I'm saying. I don't think I done met nobody that's done said that to me because I'm kind of like I want to talk to them and try to figure out what's going on with them, but at the same time, they gotta give me anxiety, even thinking about sitting in a room with somebody that don't like music.

SPEAKER_00 38:57

Yeah, for somebody that outright.

SPEAKER_01 38:59

Man, I'm I got I like to do something, dog. Like I could hit a damn the crackle of a dog and cat bar, you know what I'm saying? And then you can make music anywhere. Like, I keep but like I would that's interesting, dog. The neurological definition of makeup of their brain. Yeah, I don't know. I'm very interested. I would like to know why I would like to know you have you not listened to him? Let me introduce you to somebody to change the life. It's part of your perspective for a little bit, at least, at the very least.

SPEAKER_00 39:26

Yeah. I I don't really know if I want to hang out with people who don't say they don't like music. That's just weird.

SPEAKER_01 39:33

That's what I was saying. I'm not trying to make assumptions. That's what I was leading into. Like, like, I don't want to judge a book by its cover. I don't forgive me for passing judgment. I do it sometimes. I'm not perfect, you know. Just just exactly like this conversation. Like, I don't know if I could. That's what I was getting anxiety thinking about. I don't know how I could be around them. I don't know if it might take something from me, though. But then wait, wait, wait. Nah, honestly, though, it might take something from me, though. They might try. Wait, they might try, but I'm protected.

SPEAKER_00 39:58

They they're trying to take away.

SPEAKER_01 40:01

They're trying to huh I know high horse. I'm protected, though. You know what I'm saying? Like, but my my point is they might try to like attack your energy, part of the enemy's network. I don't trust it at all. My gut tells me not to trust it. I'm serious. No, I feel like serious. I don't mean no offense to nobody. You know what's I would like to know why, like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_00 40:21

You know what's funny? Nobody's gonna like approach you and be like, yo, I don't like music. So so more than likely you could be gonna yeah, but but it could be. But I just talk about and I'm just talking about like, I know I say I don't know if I want to be friends with somebody who doesn't like music, but you'll probably meet somebody and then you think they're a cool person, then they tell you, no, I don't like music.

SPEAKER_01 40:41

Is that not part of your mission? This might be part of your mission, dog, to go turn people around from that shit.

SPEAKER_00 40:45

Maybe so. I don't know if my music would be the thing to do it, she is, but um, there's gotta be something out there.

SPEAKER_01 40:52

Oh my goodness. I wonder I wonder what kind of church they go to if they don't like music.

SPEAKER_00 40:55

They probably don't go to church. They probably don't. I can't talk. I mean music okay, it's a part of a church. It can be, unless you go to like something that I'm not really familiar with.

SPEAKER_01 41:10

It's like it could be anything. There's so many different possibilities. They could be atheists. Like, what if a large percentage of them are mys?

SPEAKER_00 41:20

Hey, maybe that's what I don't feel. I love moms. Maybe they got moms in their family history, and that's why like they're so useless, you know. Oh, they don't have a new music, they don't care for it, you know, do nothing for them.

SPEAKER_01 41:36

You know what though, sometimes I do like to drive and not listen to no music.

SPEAKER_00 41:40

Oh, I do that all the time.

SPEAKER_01 41:41

I think it's good to sit with your thoughts sometimes. Something comes to you.

SPEAKER_00 41:45

Yeah, I've been doing that a lot. Well, I mean, I've been actually walking a lot, and um, I usually just walk and listen to music or listen to a podcast, but as of lately I've been just been like taking like three-mile walks with like no headphones, just trying to like be in nature and be at peace, you know what I mean? Get your mind right, talk to God.

unknown 42:05

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 42:05

God, you get some church out there in nature.

SPEAKER_01 42:07

Me and Lyric went hiking early for a meal. Yeah. Awesome. All I know, we had done like three and a quarter.

SPEAKER_00 42:13

Yeah, that's how it is, bro. Got something to eat.

SPEAKER_01 42:16

Got back, went to school. Mom do so she got a hell dude. Shout out to her. Here we are. Yeah, man. Try the damn. I was trying to connect the damn uh whatchamacallit, the auxiliary cord up from the laptop to the roadcaster so you can play some music, man. But I ain't gonna we're gonna figure something out as far as that goes down the road. Like there's anything any way I could do to collaborate with you to help you out in any way.

SPEAKER_00 42:37

Yeah, yeah. I appreciate that. I mean, I think you know I'm sure something something will come to mind for sure.

SPEAKER_01 42:42

I mean, it's already manifesting itself. Yeah, we're doing it now and then you know they call me tree, right? Like my nickname tree. I was thinking of a name for like another podcaster, too. I was thinking about like from roots to branches. That's dope. You should do that. So I'm all about that mycelium. Oh, you see that? That's poke salad, right? I don't know. Oh, is that really poke salad? Well, it's supposed to be, but my new emblem looked and my my new joint look more like poke salad that I got. Um it's like a nod. Yeah, I got the mushrooms, like the purple. So it's a purple, right? With the poke salad, there's the gold mushroom. That's it, you know what I'm saying? Northwestern Trojans. Yeah, I got like the Mahogan. Why the fuck? I don't say Mahogan like Burgundy the maroon, yeah. The maroon palmetto tree or the new joint for Wenthrop alumni, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 43:26

But I thought you were about to say for like Rocky Oh or something like that.

SPEAKER_02 43:29

No, absolutely not.

SPEAKER_00 43:31

Shout out to Moose Wallace, he's ready to do another one. Shout out to Moose Wallace. Go ahead. Shout out to Coach Wallace. He's my coach, he was my he's my coach of Northwestern. Yeah, he was the coach of Rakh at one point, wasn't he? I don't know. I really don't think Moose Wallace started Rakua. I think he started Rakua, if I'm not mistaken. I could be lying, but I think he did it. I get them up with Coach. Yo, I rem I remember like the older guys when I was playing with the Trojans, like dude named Rod and like Joe Dixon, they used to like do funny ass shit where like they they like have an impression of Coach Wallace. That shit used to be hilarious. That's all I got with all the respect for real. Hey man, shout out to Coach Wallace. Yeah, of course, 100%. You're right around the corner. Shout out to him. Yeah, you do live around around the corner.

SPEAKER_01 44:31

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 44:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:33

But yeah, bro. So you gotta get back up the road, man. What do you think that people might like misunderstand about what you do and like the actual crime behind it, dog? I mean, you you juggling a lot. Oh married, you know, you gotta, you know, yeah, congrats again on that man. And but you know, just compartmentalizing stuff, dog. What the what may they not know or understand about it, dog? Uh behind the scenes.

SPEAKER_00 44:58

Yeah, that's a great question. How you can't do that. What do they not understand about it? As far as my music, I don't I don't think it's nothing that people just like wouldn't understand because it's pretty cut and clear, like what I say in the music. Right. And so like if you if you like it, you like it. And if you never listened, then that's fine too. But um what they misunderstand, I I don't know. I I don't know. I try to be as specific as possible and as clear as possible. But what they might misunderstand about like the grind of like what I do, it's just that like I don't know. Like in my head, I I don't like aim to be like other rappers that's out there, or I don't like have the goals that people want me to have for music sometimes. I think that can be a misunderstanding. Like they expect me to go about things one way when I go about it the other way. Um I say I guess that's the biggest misunderstanding of or like people just yeah, just not getting it.

SPEAKER_01 45:54

What's the hardest part about being independent?

SPEAKER_00 45:56

Hardest part about being independent for me, nothing because it's just like I I don't know nothing else but just being independent and pushing my music by myself. And like when people want to quote unquote help or like be a part of the process, sometimes like they don't come through like you would expect them to. But then again, nobody's gonna care about what you do as much as you care about what you do. So independence is cool for me because I just do what I want to do and put music out when I want to put it out, and if people like it, they like it.

SPEAKER_01 46:30

That's awesome. Like just that word itself, man. Like you were able to get independence through how you were raised. Is that where you got that instead of?

SPEAKER_00 46:40

Uh yeah, I guess so.

SPEAKER_01 46:41

But you can like do a lot of chores and stuff like that. You held accountable to young age and to work together, like for sure. I mean, I think that just like plays yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:49

I think that plays a part with just like who I am as a person and being like an independent person. It makes you responsible, right?

SPEAKER_01 46:56

Exactly. And it makes you learn value, how to value things, right?

SPEAKER_00 46:59

I think having those kind of responsibilities does teach you to be responsible as a kid, and then grow into a responsible adult who can fan for your own and you know, be an individual and be somebody who can be independent, somebody who's gonna make it happen.

SPEAKER_01 47:17

This is this is so therapeutic for me.

SPEAKER_00 47:19

For me too.

SPEAKER_01 47:20

I love doing this shit. That's why I'm trying to teach Lyric everything.

SPEAKER_00 47:24

That's how it should be. You teach your kids the things that you know and also the things that you didn't have when you work here, or you didn't have somebody to tell you yada yada, and you want them to know yada yada.

unknown 47:35

Mr.

SPEAKER_01 47:36

Wally Cathicart, he wrote this book. It's called Sowing Seeds. Like, seriously. It's like $20, I believe, on Facebook. And he teaches kids about like everything you need is in a seed. Gotta water that seed. Uh-huh. And what it brings, develops into a plant, fruit. Oh, I think that's a good thing. He's in that whole process. Like he played in the Negro Baseball League. He's a uh descendant of slaves from Bratton.

SPEAKER_00 47:58

Can I see his picture again?

SPEAKER_01 47:59

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 48:00

Can I see the top?

SPEAKER_01 48:01

Phenomenal human being. Getting back to like wet herbs, like wet plants that are most beneficial. You can have some fruit trees, you can actually make tea with those leaves. What's going on with you and COVID? What were you at doing?

SPEAKER_00 48:16

Um, yeah, I actually moved I moved back to Rock Hill around that time frame, like right before COVID had hit, because me and my roommate's leaves had ended in Columbia. I had graduated school by then. I was trying to figure it out, and then COVID hit, and that was crazy. I think I had COVID back in like February of 2020, like right before COVID was announced, because I was like working at a mall. So I had so much um constant like um just um being around people. Yeah, I think I got that shit though. That shit sucked.

SPEAKER_01 48:52

Same thing. I took my I ain't gonna say the name of the organization, but I took my daughter to a place, like a water part type situation. I'm pretty sure she had a dog before it was a thing. Yeah. It was like 2019, wasn't it? Um, it's for a birthday dog. Into 2019, early 2020. That's when it was around her birthday came. Yeah, for her birthday dog, she she just turned four. Cuatro años. Cuatro dos años. So your dog, and she it was rough, dog. I'd never forget that, and she wouldn't either, but I think that's what that was. Yeah, but probably was. I done had it a couple times, I'm pretty sure. I know I had it like around Christmas. Yeah, I know I had it. Like what you got the uh Ivor Mechan dog took this shit. So I tried everything else.

SPEAKER_00 49:34

You got on that Joe Rogan drug, the Ivermechan. Yeah, tried the Rogan dog. Oh shit. Man, I had the flu recently. That was really down or not with it? That's so good. Pediolite. Um not a sponsor. No, I I should have, I should have done the. I had um I had Gatorade from time to time. Pediolite, that would have been a better option.

SPEAKER_01 49:56

It's some other stuff, all of that element stuff, though. The element rock.

unknown 50:00

Yeah, man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:01

You take creatine or anything? Nah. I used to supplements.

SPEAKER_00 50:05

I actually don't take any supplements, man. I just like I intermittent fast. I've been I've been doing that for a while. And some days I'll go like a 24-hour period without eating or something like that, just to see I feel like I've got to affect my body. Yep. But nah, man, I don't take any kind of supplements, but um, I've been thinking about it. You take supplements? Yeah, what kind of supplements do you take? All kinds of shit, though. Yeah, I've been hearing shit about like um peptides and a lot about peptides.

SPEAKER_01 50:33

Um I recently started taking some peptides injecting in the stomach region.

SPEAKER_00 50:38

I heard it, I heard about probably that specific kind of peptide you're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 50:42

BPC157 stacked up with the uh TB1, sorry, TB500.

SPEAKER_00 50:47

Yeah, is that the peptide that's supposed to help you like gain muscle but also lose fat? And like push skin and help with like hair growth and all kind of shit like that.

SPEAKER_01 50:57

Now that combination is known as like the Wolfarine stack. Oh and like you like helps you with recovery and healing.

SPEAKER_00 51:02

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 51:03

Like, because you know, especially with like jujitsu, the dog anyway, not even jujitsu. Let's just stick with like being like, you know, 41, being active. You know what I'm saying? I'm not like young technically. I mean, I don't know, whatever, but I think I need that anyway, just to kind of keep shit right while I'm just lifting weights and trail running or whatever I'm doing. Like if I'm hiking, I had to start a trail runner, dog. I need to, but I'd be high little hike.

SPEAKER_00 51:26

Yo, when did peptides become like this popular thing? I like just started.

SPEAKER_01 51:30

I heard about it on Rogan. Yeah, maybe it's maybe it's Rogan. Maybe it's Rogan. I got one of them chairs too, he got dog. Like comfortable as hell. Yeah, for sure. Like for real, though. It's a good investment.

SPEAKER_00 51:40

My wife is a nurse, right? And she works with like a company that does like supplements and stuff like that. Um, so she tells me a lot about it. And I mean, I'm just realizing that like the weight loss drugs and all that kind of shit that people take. That's an actual peptide. Right. That stuff is a peptide, you know.

SPEAKER_01 51:57

They it's different peptides that do different things. It's interesting. So you mentioned that earlier, all different ones. Yeah. Um it's a laundry list of them, ain't it? Yeah. But it's interesting, though.

SPEAKER_00 52:06

Do you get yours from like um one of those pharmacies that mix drugs? I mean, I probably you probably shouldn't even like tell who your source is or anything.

SPEAKER_01 52:13

We'll talk about it, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:14

Yeah, for sure. But my my wife was telling me about she was like blowing my mind because she was telling me about how, like, yeah, you got like your CBS's, your Walgreens, or then you have these other pharmacies that actually like mix and match medications, and that's where a lot of these people get their like peptides from and shit like that. You know what I mean? I forget the name of these uh certain kind of pharmacies called like combination pharmacies or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 52:40

I'm sorry, bro. I was listening, yeah, but I started laughing because I was thinking about what we were talking about earlier about tattoos, yeah. Like it's a problem. Cause like I was like, I wanted to like I wanted to like hit that peptide again the next day, dog, like juice, like not juice. I don't do testosterone, I'm saying juicing, but yeah, and then like for real, I was like, damn, like what's the correct dosage? Because obviously I'm gonna follow it, but I'm like, damn, I'm gonna hit this shit every day just because like I want the full effect, but you're not supposed to do that, so obviously reading the directions, plus you're like what? I'm gonna be smart about it. Yeah, like twice a week. So I did it Wednesday for the first time, which is actually like the 11th of March, if I'm not mistaken. And then so I'm gonna wait and do it again like tomorrow.

SPEAKER_00 53:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:17

Like every three days or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 53:18

Have you been having like positive effects? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you recover me.

SPEAKER_01 53:23

Because I need to physical therapy is very important to take the time out to do that shit. I had an aggravated hamstring a while back, and I had dealt with it for a while. I had like came up from doing like a hip toss in jujitsu. And like I was watching what coach did, uh, and I added something for some reason just being irresponsible, I guess though. Like, it's not like he did it, it's like I did this to myself. Back to Shout the Coach, it was like I like twisted my foot when I came up when I did the hip toss. It was like whatever. I still trained or whatever, got through it, but then like after a while, it like got tweaked again. But I think, yeah, so the peptide, though, I can tell it helps. It really does.

SPEAKER_00 54:02

That's what's up. Um maybe I should start doing okay.

SPEAKER_01 54:06

We just start with the oral jumps, man. I mean, I don't know. Oh, but then like I'm like, then about the tattoo though, like, yeah, I want to get another tattoo. You know what I'm saying? With the needle situation that connected those dots or whatever. How many, how many you got?

SPEAKER_00 54:19

Um 50 live. Something like that.

SPEAKER_01 54:22

Nah, what's that? Man, I missed them guys, dog. Okay, we should start. Yeah. Something. I mean, I was like, man. I I was told, you know, people would be talking or whatever, man. But like, you know, like it was like a fad or a tradition. A lot of people was getting tattoos that were in the language of Chinese, supposedly, or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 54:47

Yeah, that's before my time, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:49

Like, I mean, I don't know if everybody actually knew if it was a specific symbol, if it was legit what the people said.

SPEAKER_00 54:55

I don't I don't think people they think they got one thing on their body, but they got something else that don't even say what they think it says. If it's like some other language, it's fucking.

SPEAKER_01 55:03

Are you Chinese? Are you a descendant of Chinese people? Which I love every race, though. We all were human race.

SPEAKER_00 55:10

But I think about like white people and black people who got like um Asian tattoos on them.

SPEAKER_01 55:15

Now you in Tokyo? Now, but you in Tokyo, you and your wife, well, it don't even matter. You and your friend, whatever. Y'all was in Tokyo, and you got a what?

SPEAKER_00 55:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 55:23

Yeah, but were you down the street? Like, you just got something you just like.

SPEAKER_00 55:28

But also, does that actually say live, laugh, love? What is it actually? What what what tat what does the tattoo actually say? You think it says live, laugh, love, but what does it actually say?

SPEAKER_01 55:37

Uh you go to comedy shows? No, you need to go see Godfrey, man. I love comedy shows. You should go see Godfrey, they come into town sometime, but though he me and my cousin Kiki want to go see him. Did you know Keisha Chisholm?

SPEAKER_00 55:48

Probably. I know a lot of chishms. Uh yeah, I mean, I saw Dave Chappelle love. I saw Chris Rock Love. Yeah. So um Dog Godfrey fucking funny though. What the fuck is this guy's name? Um Uncle Joey. Oh fucking Joey King. Hey, you said you said you fuck with him, right? I fuck with Joey King. You remind my Uncle Pee Wow. Yeah, he he's a funny fucking guy.

SPEAKER_01 56:09

Dog. I mislistened to his podcast. I haven't listened to like no podcasts. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 56:15

Him and Lee Sayat started putting out uh podcasts again. I don't know if they didn't. Yeah, they did.

SPEAKER_01 56:22

That revelation of the something, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:25

Yeah, dog, he got one going. And you know, he does his thing.

SPEAKER_00 56:29

Joey Pot. Talking about authenticity. Yeah, Joey's a hilarious guy.

SPEAKER_01 56:33

I got the big Joey DS.

SPEAKER_00 56:36

I say Joey, like I know. But it's how it is.

SPEAKER_01 56:38

Like you just cutting up, like you would feel like you're cutting up with him and shit, dog. That's the man, it's far.

SPEAKER_00 56:43

Impact of podcasts.

SPEAKER_01 56:44

Have you listened to that though? I have not.

SPEAKER_00 56:46

I've not. I know he was on Joe Rogan promoting it at one point.

unknown 56:50

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_00 56:51

I checked that out. He up in Jersey, though. Yeah. I'm gonna go.

SPEAKER_01 56:54

You've been to Texas? Yeah. I've been to Austin?

SPEAKER_00 56:56

I've been to Austin, Texas. I'm trying to go to Austin, dog. That's where they at, dog. That's where they set up at when you go out there, dog. When I went to Austin, Texas, this is before like the whole Joe Rogan and um the fucking what is it called? His comedy store, whatever. It's the place, the mothership, yeah. But um, this is back in like 20 2018 when I went for uh South by Southwest. Nice.

SPEAKER_01 57:17

Yeah, though. I want to go though. Yeah, go to some of them shows.

SPEAKER_00 57:20

Austin's dope. It's probably doper now than it was when I went. It's probably cooler.

SPEAKER_01 57:25

You like the you like the blues?

SPEAKER_00 57:26

Uh yeah, yeah. I'm not, I don't, I don't like listen to the blues a lot, but I like I like the blues.

SPEAKER_01 57:31

You playing the instruments?

SPEAKER_00 57:32

I tried to play the guitar when I was a kid, didn't work out all that well. There's always a more, there's always a day, dog.

SPEAKER_01 57:39

You got one at the house?

SPEAKER_00 57:40

Nah, I don't.

SPEAKER_01 57:41

Go ahead and grab you one, have it, you can pick it up a ton of time, dabble with it, and try to get consistent. I gotta get back on it. Yeah, my bass constelled just been screaming my name. Yeah, I've just been neglecting them, neglecting them. I'm gonna have to sweet talk, I'm gonna have to talk to it, dog, because just disrespecting the bass, dog, just neglecting. It's a lot going on out here in the streets, like nobody wants gun violence, dog. Right. Now, what do you think? Given your life experiences and your intellect, your wisdom that you gain. What can we do? Like, what can I do? What can we do? What can other people in the community do that really want to make a change to stop the like to be right there, like, okay, this is what's making the winner pick up a gun and this violence is going on. What can we do to stop that? Like, what's causing that?

SPEAKER_00 58:29

What can we do to stop it? To try to stop it, intervene, stop that.

SPEAKER_01 58:33

Before that crossroad even starting to keep kids busy perpendicular.

SPEAKER_00 58:36

Keep kids busy, keep them in sports, teach them the right thing, teach them right from wrong. Don't let them have too much internet exposure, because I think that that's kind of what lead to kids, you know, thinking that shit is alright. I mean, from the music, don't get me wrong, I mean, I like that kind of music too, but from the music to the videos and just violence that they see constantly, and you know, um people awarding people who have that kind of life. I don't know. Keep them off the internet, keep them from listening to certain shit, keep them busy. Give them shit to do. Have like parks and skate parks and places places that people can go, where where these kids can go, where they can do something productive. Um and also just them not having terrible influences. Be aware of what they're watching, be aware of what they're doing, be aware of who they talk to. Because I mean it's easy to get a gun. You can get a gun at 18 years old now. I think it was I think it was what, 21 or something when I was a kid, maybe to get a handgun. I don't know. But um yeah, keep them out of shit. That don't mean I'm no good. Don't give them don't give them guns. Whatever you do, teach them how to use them, teach them to be responsible. That's what I would say.

SPEAKER_01 59:53

Right on.

SPEAKER_00 59:54

What would you say?

SPEAKER_01 59:55

Jiu-jitsu.

SPEAKER_00 59:56

Jiu Jitsu, keeping them busy.

SPEAKER_01 59:59

It's a different type of busy man. So good for the brain. Yeah, so good for the brain. Leave the ego at the door, get humble, and like the trust, the camaraderie, the helping the symbiosis. Like, I mean, coach be dropping knowledge. Like I said, that faith and then a discipline, dog. After that, uh, I feel like because you can't we all battle demons, right? I mean, I've said it before, like, as far as the saying goes, but if you can free yourself from that, man, the possibilities are in this dog. I really feel that way.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:34

Yeah, true.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:35

And then like it would take me so long to find my purpose. I guess it was there the whole time in a way, but it was like, what? What you said, sorry.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:44

No, I was just repeating what you said. Respect and discipline, teaching them kids that kind of shit. Yeah, whether through jujitsu or through something.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:55

How to appreciate stuff, how to value with things, treat people like respectfully though.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:00

Also, I mean, not only jujitsu, but just like activities like school-related sports, like playing football, playing basketball, running track, yeah, playing soccer, doing cross-country, doing that.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:10

Yeah, do and do yeah, do something like that, plus you know what I'm saying, the team sports because I think the team is very important. I'm glad you brought that up. Uh, because I mean that's life. You gotta do business with people. You may be an entrepreneur one day. Hopefully, you don't end up working on growing up to work in a factory.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:25

Even then, you gotta you gotta do work with people. Get a trade. So even then you gotta do work with people, even if you're an entrepreneur, like you gotta know how to talk to people.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:33

You know, yeah, man. How to treat people at an early age.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:36

When I think about my upbringing, and I think about people that I grew up with, and I think about the people I played sports with, and then I think about the people who was around our age who didn't play sports and then ended up getting into trouble at a young age, and then you begin to just kind of fall into that cycle. That's why I think sports, it keeps a lot of people out of that because it gives them something to do.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:57

It definitely does keep them preoccupied with something uh, you know, productive, man. Let me ask you this, man. So yeah, who's your early influences, dog? And plus also please tell me who you listen to now.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:08

Um, early influences, whatever my brothers was listening to. So Lil Wayne, Bone Thugs and Harmony, Boosie, Webby. Yeah, uh eventually when I began to listen to my own music, it was like Diggy, Pac, Jay-Z, um, Lil Wayne, K Cuddy, Kanye West. Eventually it was like Drake and shit like that, Earl Sweatshirt. Um also just like whatever RB and stuff my parents was playing. But also stuff like rock and like emo rock. I was always into that kind of stuff. Um now I'm listening, like I'm currently listening to a lot of that J. Cole project, a lot of the Wale album. Kendra Lamar's cousin, forgetting his name, Baby King. Man, country music is a black genre when it comes down to it. Initially it was now maybe not so much, black people getting back into it. It's funny, I was at I was at work the other day, and this um this lady who I work with, uh, she's of another race, and she was talking to somebody who was of the same race as I am, um, asking them about um if they like a specific country artist, or she was saying something about country music, and I interrupted, I was like, now blah blah blah. You know that me and blah blah blah don't listen to no country music, but then the girl was talking about how she does because her daughter listens to it, so she has to know what she's listening to. Anyways, yeah, I was just talking with somebody about not listening to country music, but yeah. Yeah, do you like it? Who are some of your favorite country artists right now?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:38

Shout to uh Isaac man up there at Manolo's. Um, he has some good uh what's the one dude's name that's kind of like real common nowadays? Morgan Wallen? Yeah, dog. Waller rocking another dog. I ain't gonna lie to you, bro.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:54

Yeah, I gotta check it out.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:56

But I like that bluegrass dog. I ain't gonna lie, I love some damn bluegrass.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:00

You like banded forces? Who? Bandit Forces, you ever heard of them? I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:04

I might think I've ever heard of them.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:06

It's like folk slash bluegrass.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:08

I probably would. That's kind of like what Grateful Dead is. It's like folk slash bluegrass, like jam bag, kind of jam band, and then kind of like bluesy in a way. That's actually really you speak in the other uh languages at all? You gotta take a language at a website.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:24

I took like three semesters of Spanish in college. Oh I hated that shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:29

Yeah, it wasn't fun, dog, in college, man. It was fun in high school.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:33

Somehow, I got through it. I really age I really wasn't comfortable with like trying to learn something that I literally did not understand, and I don't understand the importance of it. Yeah, I feel like now if I had to take a class like that, I'd actually take it serious and try to like develop new language skills. But I think that's good for the brain, and it doesn't help with like prevent Alzheimer's or dementia or something like that. I mean, just learning new shit probably is good for the brain. Yeah, yeah. Like, I wish I knew how to speak Spanish. I know a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:06

Yeah, they got absent stuff though, but like being over there, though, that's how you get it in. Yeah, go with it for like a little time. I used to I used to practice my Spanish a lot more when I played like video games, like Call of Duty.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:18

Yeah, yeah. Cause you speak when people speak that language. Yeah, and then like it's kind of like immersing yourself a little bit, right? Because you in a you in a um communication with somebody who can only speak that language, so they're gonna speak it to you, and you gotta try your best to understand it.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:35

I guess. I gotta do, I gotta give a special shout out to this guy, dog. His name is David Arraya from Bolivia, dog. I met him when I'm with the Wentham.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:44

He plays soccer and uh he could speak like seven different approximately seven different languages. I'll hang out with him at other international stations.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:53

He's the author now?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:54

Oh, yeah. So I'm gonna give him a shout out about this book, though. I need to read it. I read like a page of it, I was like locked in. I gotta. It's a good book, dog. Um Conscious Hospitality. Just check it out. And honestly, I'm excited to read it because it's gonna basically be like me catching up with him and what he's been doing for the past 11 years, is it?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:15

Has he been writing that book for 11 years?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:17

Graduated 08. Oh he's 2026 now.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:20

Uh so that was the math. I'm terrible at math. I can't do it. 17 years of not mistaken.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:25

But my point is, why did I bring that up? Because oh speaking languages, dog. But yeah, he's over in Spain, dog, doing this thing. Because he was in like international hospitality and management and stuff like that, dog.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:36

And um must have been his major.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:40

I'm looking to uh definitely go holler at him, dog. Maybe he got a podcast too. Go holler at him. You ever thought about writing a book?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:47

I have. I think about a lot of things though. But nah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:51

There's so much I want to do, and I'm pretty sure it's a lot you want to do, and you're trying to like how you organize that shit in your head.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:56

I've been trying to read a lot of books lately.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:58

I'm trying to step it up too, brother. Oh my goodness, dawg. Let me tell you this text my mama told me the other night. What? People care half of what they say and less of what they do. That's so true. So make sure your uh people in your circle like that. Know where your mom texts you? Me and her was having a conversation. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:18

Cause that's some prolific, that's a prolific text, so that's what she's saying.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:22

Nah, I texted that my cousin Chris and asked him what he thought about that directly from my mama. And her was having a conversation. She said that to me. I was like, wait, what?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:29

That's real. That's real. It was almost like I'm not going to be able to do that. People care half of what they say and less of what they do.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:34

I leaned back like this. I was like, wait a minute. Can you say that again? That's something you gotta think about. I was like, when you start over, like I was like, yeah, I was like, that's like deep.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:41

Um people care of what they say of what they say and less of what they do.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:47

The sacrifices our mom, our mamas and daddies had to do for us, and then they and think about our ancestors, dog. Yeah. Like, we have to make the best of what the time that we have, dog, out here, dog. We gotta make the best of it.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:00

You're absolutely right.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:01

That's why mental health is so important. I think that's the hell, that's a form of hell. Especially if you get caught up in a cycle, like if you're an addict, everybody got different challenges or whatever. Your own prisoner. And then you're yeah, and then like, you know, and then that's the struggle about getting out of your own way, right? Kind of sort of. Yeah. If we weren't distracted by all that other stuff and dealing with battling our demons and not getting help, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:24

Then you got the people that have the people that make it, and then they still fall victim to their own battles, internal battles. Sad.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:33

I have hope. But at the same time, if the grid goes down, we lose loss of communication. But damn dog, I'm glad I got to meet you, dog. Like I mean, you never know. Like, I'm glad I got to meet him. You're right on the road, so just let me know. Because I'm trying to come down there. Uh Holly, my uh roommate from Clemson. He stayed down there at Columbia. Yeah, what do you think? He lived in Chicago for a while. He was in engineering at Clemson. Shot to Don Juan, but uh cool as hell. One of the smartest people I know, dog. Yeah, he might be the I mean I don't know. That's a great college too. I ain't going around checking for black cues. I don't even what I said.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:06

That's a great college to go to for engineering.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:09

I would probably want to release this leading up to your album drop.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:12

That'll be dope too. That'll be sick, actually.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:15

Is there anything you want to mention, or you got anything you can kind of just share from that? That's you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:21

Yeah, from the project.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:22

Yeah, as far as like your perspective, your yeah, or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:26

I think with all of my projects is kind of based off of what I'm going through currently, right? And this one would be no different. Right. Um, but like, I mean, I'm I'm married now and just kind of talking a little bit about what I do like outside of music a little bit. It's like I'm pulling inspiration from some of these things. Um, but yeah, telling a couple stories on there, and besides that, just like talking about what's currently going on with me. But yeah, I'm looking forward to sharing it with people listen for sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:02

Yeah, you want to share like a verse or something, dog? A couple of lines? Anything that comes to your mind? Yeah, sure. Um you just have a code go off the dome.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:14

Uh I can this is one song that I wrote recently. I I might be able to say a little bit from. Um Thank you. Yeah. It's a it's all connected from the east to west, the ground the sky, the seas that sprout, the ants that crawl, the fish that swim, the birds that fly. Not too much on the life from him and her, or you and I. We gotta eat and drink, seek shelter when it rain, we all gonna die. Thoughts of those I lost. What was it like when death approached? Oof. I'll come back to that. No, I'm in.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:49

I'm in the dog. Yeah, yeah. I appreciate that. Hey man, I appreciate you stopping by, bro. For sure. You made the damn drive. Yeah, I was willing to pull up damn at the studio and bring the damn shit or whatever. So I don't, you know, and I also thought I don't know if you would want people to have access to all that shit. I don't know. Yeah, I don't care. Oh what? I mean, you know, like I don't know how it could be like a sacred space where you might not want it to be recorded. Oh, you want you talking about you in the studio. Oh, no.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:19

I was saying I could I was talking about Yeah, I'd be completely cool with that.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:22

No, because you know at the beginning, we first touched base with each other, whatever. I was like willing to, I still am willing to come to the studio if you want up in the studio, yeah, and then maybe capture some some some shit. Uh yeah, that's definitely a possibility. I don't know if you have like a your protocol or certain boundaries and stuff in line. And I mean that's stuff we would discuss after that anyway.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:41

Yeah, we can definitely discuss that more.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:42

But um, I don't want to intrude, man. I'm just trying to help you. I'm a huge fan, dog.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:46

Yeah, I understand. Yeah, I mean, I I wouldn't be opposed to uh down the line if you want to come down to Columbia and hit a studio session with me for sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:56

Yeah, genocide. It's a genocide kill them all.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:00

Well, you said you gotta pick up your baby girl. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:05

Hey, y'all, uh y'all be good to each other out there, man. We can we gotta get it together. Um peace and love, adapting the hug.