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The Moment She Stopped Treating Symptoms and Started Healing | Velma Williams Ep 13

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There’s a moment in life where everything changes.
In this deeply moving episode of Sense Only Podcast, we explore the difference between treating symptoms… and truly healing.
Our guest shares a life-altering journey from a childhood desire to serve others, to facing every parent’s worst fear: being told their child wouldn’t survive.
After years of misdiagnosis, overwhelming medication, and devastating side effects, a powerful realisation emerged the body is designed to heal, but only when supported in the right way.
This conversation dives into:
Why symptoms are only signals, not the root problem
The individuality of our bodies and why one-size-fits-all doesn’t work
The balance between traditional medicine and natural healing
Faith, resilience, and refusing to accept defeat
This isn’t just about health.
It’s about awareness, courage, and taking back control.
If you’ve ever questioned the system, trusted your intuition, or searched for deeper answers this episode is for you.

#hope #health #healing #lupus #podcast 

SPEAKER_01

You know, you must deal with root causes, not symptoms. Symptoms are an indicator that something is wrong. We are sophisticated machines, divine ones. Our creator provides everything about us is about healing. Bodies will always try to heal, but you have to give it the right kind of help. You have to nurture it. You have to find what works. We're individual. Our bodies, we have our own body chemicals that are completely different from each other. We are natural, we come from nature. Every mineral in the soil is in our bodies. So why would we go for the artificial things that don't work that gives you side effects? Some people overdose on meat, for instance, it's protein is necessary, right? But you don't have to over overdose on it. You know, you can get protein in so many different varieties of food.

SPEAKER_02

Greetings and salutations.

SPEAKER_04

I'm your host, Alicia Mullings, and this is the Sense Only Podcast. This podcast is for those who are tired of the noise, distraction, and disconnection in the world. It's for those who know that we need to be the change that we want to see in the world. Today I've got a wonderful guest. She is making a huge difference. She saw that there was a challenge happening in terms of health with a dear loved one, and instead of waiting for others to do something, she took action and did things herself and actually turned it around. So it's an amazing story of love, um, health, and blessings from the most high, which is food, herbs, etc. But I'm not going to tell this wonderful story, so I'd like to welcome the wonderful Velma.

SPEAKER_01

Hi, Felicia. Thank you for having me here and giving me this opportunity to talk to your wonderful please tell us about you and what you do. Well, my name is Velma Williams. I I have worked as a practicing social worker for over 20 odd years, but retired, semi-retired now, so I've turned my hands to helping those who are struggling with their health and wellness.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Okay, brilliant. And and what does that entail?

SPEAKER_01

That entails um I empower and teach effective self-care habits. That's the best way to sum it all up. Okay. Because there's a lot to it. Um you know, I'm a natural solutions and deals with natural remedies and so forth. And I work complementary to the traditional practices and services. Okay. Um that's the idea to bring a balance. My belief is that our creator always has provided us with a manual and the resources, and that's my belief.

SPEAKER_00

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01

When when you buy a radio, a laptop, or whatever you buy, you get a manual. I think with our sophisticated bodies, right, we have a divine manual as well.

SPEAKER_04

Right.

SPEAKER_01

And it's natural, it's that it we are literally, literally um nearly a hundred percent natural to the plants that are around us. Everything that's in our body is in the world around us, in our in the soil. We're made up of all the minerals. It's about balance and using things in wisdom.

SPEAKER_04

Love it. So, in terms of let's let's backtrack because as you mentioned, you had a different occupation to what I can see you're definitely passionate about now. What's the story about brought you to this point of actually making this decision to now focus on health?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I'm gonna make two points here because one, I remember being just 12 and had this desire to serve, had this desire to help people, had this and at 12 years old I imagine having a massive house with all these children in it that I can serve and help. And when when my daughter at 13 years old collapsed and they didn't they couldn't diagnose her, it took them 20 odd years to diagnose her. And when they finally diagnosed her, she was um diagnosed with lupus, which was at stage five by then, attacking all her organs. And of course they took her straight into hospital because even though I was a person that um always up, you know, I grew up with my grandmother, so we always into natural, everything came out of the yard. Yeah. Okay. A bush, a bush from Vanessa.

SPEAKER_04

Listen the healings in the bush. Make some tea.

SPEAKER_01

Yes. Wash out. 100%. Yeah. And so when that happened, when that happened, they took her in to hospital and for 18 months, and it was all pharmaceuticals, which broke her down, broke her body down completely, because it was one side effects to another side effects, you know, um, and so everything with the side effects come all these different, and she had a big one. And I remember her saying to me, Mum, I'm I I think I'm like my nan. I'm I feel like I'm as old as my man. I've got all these bags of medication. And she's just lying in bed in the hospital. And because um because it broke her down naturally, um, naturally broke down her sister. No gastro went, she couldn't absorb food, and they she caught sepsis, she caught pneumonia while they were caring for her, and then they said she was terminal and she wasn't going to make it and she was going to die. Well, we didn't, especially as a mum, don't want to hear that. Um, you know, but she looked at me um and she said, Mum, if I'm going to die, I would like to die at home with my children and my husband. And so we took her home. But being a person of faith, um, I just decided, look, I'm not going to sit here and just wait for my child to die. And I remember getting on the phone, messaging, doing everything, getting people to pray for her all around the world, just to pray for her, pray for, you know, uh to help her. And it came a a school friend of hers actually called me and said, Velma, I remember when we were at school, because you know, um, you were into homeopathy. When everybody else was having their vaccinations at school, you would get the homeopathy version for your children. And the light bulb went on. And I thought, yes, this is what happens. We become so reliant on our traditional medicine, the specialists that we're told are the specialists, and yes, they're brilliant. Yeah, they have brilliant skills. Nobody's blessed with a talent. God gives us all talents, right? And so, but they have to be used in balance and in wisdom. Light bulk came on, and I thought, yeah, I haven't tried that. You know, when this happened, I just went into panic mode, and it was oh, they're the specialists.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. But all along that journey, I questioned it simply because they were t they were constantly dismediagnosing her, misdiagnosing her, because if we'd listened, she would have had her um, they wanted to remove her spleen. And I we had to question why. If you don't know what it is, why would you remove her spleen? So we're not agreeing to that. Now it turned out she had an autoimmune disease. Just imagine if they'd taken her spleen.

SPEAKER_03

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_01

She wouldn't have been able to fight that whatever. Right. Everything would hit her.

SPEAKER_03

Wow.

SPEAKER_01

So um we were so pleased. God is God is good. Um, you know, so what then happened, the light bulb went on, and I decided, right, I'm not going to just sit and wait for my child to die. I'm going to do something. Yes, we use what about those natural things is natural. The Lord has provided all this, you know, um, and therefore, let's try something. And that's what I did. And we I spoke with her about it because a lot of it had to come from her.

SPEAKER_00

Right.

SPEAKER_01

At this time she was very weak. She couldn't do anything. I she was a 40-year-old. Well, she wasn't 40 at that time. She you know, she was about 30 something years old, but I was like changing her like a baby and cleaning her, taking nerves. She couldn't literally couldn't get herself off the bed and things like that. So we had to, but didn't know how she was going to be able to do this. But I spoke to her and she says, Mum, I just want to see my boys. I've not been allowed to be a mum to them. I'm in and out of hospitals. So I want to be, so I will do it. And we put a plan in place, and within three months she was back on her feet.

SPEAKER_04

Amazing.

SPEAKER_01

She, you know, it's it isn't amazing. There's nothing miracle about it. When people think this is miracle touch, because it's not, you know, it took a lot of effort from her and a lot, and she had to be very committed, dedicated, consistent with things. So she had to make it a lot. And that's why I say I teach effective self-care habits, right? Because that's what the whole plan is about, and it's a six-month plan that um that we developed. Following that, my mum at the time was going through a lot of arthritis, suffering with the arthritis pain in her arm, round her moving one round her body and in her knees and her ankles and things, and I thought it worked for my daughter, and we'll do the same. And again, within three months, my mum was in a different place, a much more healthy, positive place, walking around her flat, whereas the GP wanted her to be in a wheelchair just to get around her own flat. And I remember my mum crying so sobbing so much, you know, because she's a very independent person, and suddenly she's finding this. And the pain clinic had told her they could do nothing about the pain that was roaming around her body because it moves. So, again, that's the second time I saw her weep because she was in agony, and she then again within three months, she had was in a different place, was feeling a lot better, less pain, swelling went down, and all of this. So, you know, and then she started telling people, and I grasped the opportunity to do 189 trials with them and got a 97% success rate.

SPEAKER_02

Fantastic.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and so this was something then I felt need to be shared. I believe that when the divine bless you with your skills and talents and gifts or whatever it is, it's for a purpose and it should be shared, and I then thought Yeah, I need to nurture people because that's my nature.

SPEAKER_04

Definitely, and and thank you for sharing, and thank you responding to the call as well and taking action because we love that, and that's definitely what I'm here promoting on this this year podcast. Um, and I'm very much an advocate for all things natural, literally. Um, there's obviously prior to meeting yourself in terms of if there was anything happening to anybody in my world health-related. Not I'm not out here trying to claim like I'm an expert, but I literally have like several health practitioners for your darling my phone that I'm literally that I stay giving out their details, literally, and because I've seen so much healing from the life.

SPEAKER_01

Right, it's very powerful because people don't realise we are very we are all very individual, we cannot be treated as if one shoe fits all. Right. Um, you know, and it's really important that we realise that um it we need to stay as natural as possible. We need to rely on ourselves as well and not be uh just sitting and being told this is what's wrong with you. You can be part of your own diagnosis, you can be part of that. Nobody knows your body more than you do, nobody knows what you're feeling more than you do, and it is not always easy to translate that to the specialist because they can only deal with symptoms. Yes, okay, yeah, and that is something that I apart from the fact that I I um empower the in independent and not dependency, right, you know, um, I also say, you know, you must deal with root causes, not symptoms. Symptoms are an indicator that something is wrong. Yes. When your car start to go right, there's something wrong, and you do something about it. You try to find out what's making it go like that because you know it's gonna come to a stop, don't you? So you deal with why don't we have the same respect for our own bodies? Okay. And do you go and put water in the oil tank or do you put oil? And do you need to freshen and clean that every year so that the car runs and the butt plu uh spark blood sparks? Yeah? It's the same. We are sophisticated machines, fine ones, and our creator provides everything about us is about healing. That's it. Our bodies will always try to heal, but you have to give it the right kind of help. You have to nurture it, you have to find what works. We're individual. Our bodies we have our own body chemical.

SPEAKER_03

Yes.

SPEAKER_01

So completely different from each other.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, so therefore, what worked for one won't necessarily work. So you have to find, which is why we use the word bespoke a lot.

SPEAKER_04

Perfect. Yeah, it needs to be bespoke because we're all individual.

SPEAKER_01

That's right.

SPEAKER_04

Beyond just the fingerprint being individual, of course, as a whole, it's individual. It's something you need an individual.

SPEAKER_01

And your body is fighting for you, it's always trying to heal itself. Yeah. You just need to if if the plant bruises, it will heal it itself. You know, the same with our bodies. We are natural, we come from nature. And every mineral in the soil is in our bodies. So why would we go for the artificial things that don't work, that gives you side effects? Now, I don't want people to get me wrong that I am, you know, um uh promoting alternatives because I am not what I'm saying natural because that's who we are. Yeah, okay, we need to be natural. We need to look where and when do we need to comp uh you know complement that or how do we complement that, right? Um it doesn't mean we're alternative because I do know my policy is that people are given talents and they don't study for eight years, nine years for no reason.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_01

Fantastic works are being done in our traditional medicine. People are getting new hearts, new lungs, new this to keep them actioning. Yeah. But for me, if that's complemented, blended, and recognized, there becomes a balance. And the Lord says wisdom and balance is what we have to rely on.

SPEAKER_00

That's it.

SPEAKER_01

Right? If you overdo one thing, it's not going to be good. If you underdo it, it's not you have to have that balance. And I'm not saying that if you are a natural solution person like me, right? Um, I'm not saying you should be forced to have what you don't want to, because again, I believe that the mind is very powerful. Oh, it is, and it can you can heal yourself.

SPEAKER_04

Definitely.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, that's the faith.

SPEAKER_04

I've got I've got a story about that. I have seen that in real life multiple occasions. I can definitely just add to what you're saying in terms of my own testimony. Some years ago now, probably well over ten years ago, I had just mystery illness. Till this day it's mystery. All I know is that I was losing rapid weight. I was just yeah, just sick, and um you know, yeah, we d nobody knew what was going on to the point where I had five different doctors look at me, and until now, the the latter.

SPEAKER_01

They can't tell you.

SPEAKER_04

They couldn't tell me nothing, but I was just yeah, I was yeah, getting super skinny and it got scary because losing shape and all the rest of it, no one's got time for that. Um, so um, and it got so bad that I literally made the decision. I I can tell you the days I made the decision on a Monday that I'm going to Jamaica. We discussed this just before because my camera on the Monday I made the decision, I said, right, I'm going to Jamaica to go and get some heating. I remember my my grand aunt, my grand aunt was due to be buried on the that Wednesday, so I made the decision on the Monday, on the Monday, booked my flight on the Tuesday, went to my auntie's funeral on the Wednesday, Thursday I was on the flight. I flew to Jamaica. Yeah. And and that just changed everything from environment to how where my head was at from the bush. Everything else that I definitely feel like, I saved myself most heart included, obviously. And just to add to that, I remember I spoke to to add to it, I spoke to my friend who's a pharmacist in which she's based in in New Orleans at that time. So I spoke to Shay, and she she told me to have um take some milk thistle as well. So between the milk thistle from Shay, the herbs and Jamaica and all that, there, and then also just before I left, I spoke to another one of my health people here. Um, and she was just she kind of did a whole diet for me of just natural proper foods, just cutting out sugar and blah blah blah. Um, between these people, it does the world of difference better than these five doctors I'm yet to be diagnosed by. Really attribute it to all that, all those things. I mean, taking action for myself that I'm still here because the way I was about to disappear was no joke.

SPEAKER_01

I believe you, yeah, because uh that's the other word, that's the other word I wanted to introduce, and that's holistic. Yeah, right? So wisdom, balance, holistic. You know, we've got to see ourselves as holistic, see the way we treat ourselves is holistic. I I love to talk about the car because when we talk about the car, it's everybody understands what I'm saying. You know, they can relate to it because you know, you don't when you take that car in for a service, they are going over the car, they look at everything and they say, This, they give you a list, this needs looking at, this needs, this is alright, that's all and they work from that to make sure your car keeps functioning. Okay. Holistic. The other um side of it for me, the other it's it's I you to to uh the model I use for the holistic care is this the eight dimension right of wellness. Okay. Okay. Now we all have a spiritual side. Doesn't matter whether it's Christianity, whatever it is, you have a spiritual side to you. Okay. Um we also have an emotional and a physical side, yeah?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Environmental. Now, when I say environmental, people don't realise when I'm not just talking about the fresh air out there and the toxic things in the air and all that, right? Because let me tell you that the home is even more toxic than the outside there.

SPEAKER_04

And the people in the home or wherever around you.

SPEAKER_01

That's what people don't realise. Yeah. You know, domestic violence. Whatever is going on in your life, you know, that's an environmental impact on you. Absolutely. And so you have to, right? And I've just mentioned four, but there's social, financial, social. Okay, there's eight of them. Yeah. Yeah?

SPEAKER_03

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01

Um an example of one that I had a um a client that um came to me through her boss. Okay. This lady was so aspiring, you know, in her life and worked very hard because she wanted a certain promotion. Okay. She was waiting for that promotion. And her boss brought a young person in and put give. Do you know that simple act actually knocked her for six that she became ill?

SPEAKER_00

Wow.

SPEAKER_01

And she was not and nobody knew, she didn't even understand why she was so ill. You know, the her boss and her colleagues realized there was this massive change in her. But when we looked at it holistically and start ticking the things off, this is um you know um the element of uh the eight dementia of a wellness that was impacting her. Right. Right. So once we'd identify that, we can then deal with it, which root cause again. You have to find the root cause. It wasn't about depression, give her tablets, blah blah blah. Yeah? You know that she becomes addicted to those tablets and blah, and it just goes on and on until it spirals out of control and we break that person down, which is what happened to my daughter.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah?

SPEAKER_03

Yes.

SPEAKER_01

When her gastro shut down the steroids they were giving her constantly, it was just ridiculous. So yeah, we have to realize that we are more precious than the car. And if you every year, I won't work with anyone that can't say that you know, if they don't, if they're not ready, tell me you're not ready, but don't you know, I am not interested. Let me rephrase that because I have to live. So I've got to I was gonna say I'm not interested in the money, right? Right, but that's not exactly true, is it? Because I still have to leave. And it things cost, yes, okay, but I will not sell a six-month cream plan, which is my plan a health plan, the bespoke holistic health plan. Okay, okay. I will not sell that to anybody if I don't think they're ready.

SPEAKER_04

Because it's a mindset as well, because spent the money, bought the thing, and then it's their time on the side.

SPEAKER_01

Their time, my time, their money, yes, okay, and my credibility.

SPEAKER_04

Hundred percent.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. I protect my credibility and I protect you as an individual as to your time and your money, because especially these days, money does not come easy. Right. So, what's the point in taking you on a program, you know, um that's gonna cost you, and then at the end of it you have no result? Right. Okay, that's not how I work. So I first have to assess that the there is some commitment, right? Like I did with my daughter, yeah. She's got to um be committed, she's got to be consistent. It's no good do it today and not tomorrow. You've got to follow that plan, and the more you practice this, the more you become better at it, the more it becomes a routine and you don't even notice. It's automatic. This is the six months plan. That's why we do it over a period of six months to help people, and then they have to carry on because I can't heal them, they can heal themselves by doing that.

SPEAKER_00

Yes.

SPEAKER_01

We deal with neuroscience, um uh um, you know, NLP, neuroscience, uh brainwave mindset changes. Yeah. Okay, because unless if doctors say to you, if your doc your GP say to you, or your consultant also say to you, well, you've got cancer, and you're gonna die. The natural re well, I wouldn't say the natural, the usual reaction to people is that Miss Sigma got dead. Right? Right now, what's that saying? You've given up. And even more so, you've manifest in it now, you manifest it, you manifest it, right, and then that pain becomes harder, and this and that. If you know, I've got clients that you know, um, they've been told you've got our problems, you know. And it's uh it's simply, and I'm really not trying to disre uh discredit any um anybody, as I said, I total respect for natural and uh traditional medicine because I feel it has a place and it's a lot of hard work goes into it. But on the other side, we also have our own skill and understanding, and we have to remember that. Yes, we have to remember that. Do what you can for yourself. Yeah, only I only go to the my doctors see me very rarely. Same. I only go to my GP if I really, really feel I need to, and usually is to get an insight to what's going on because I don't have those machines, yeah, the scan, and the this and the that.

SPEAKER_04

You want to get the diagnosis and then you both thank you very much and I will sort it out myself.

SPEAKER_01

What I can sort out, I will sort out. I know that um if my if my subconscious mind tells me I can't do something, then I am not gonna do it. Right. But if I practice to tell my subconscious mind that I'm in control, and I'm not going to prophesy this to myself. I'm going to do everything I can to stay fit.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Right. I'm in control.

SPEAKER_04

Prevention.

SPEAKER_01

And I am, and that's exactly what I'm about. Prevention rather than cure.

SPEAKER_04

Staples that I go that are my my initial go go-to's with everything is it's it and a viva channel, averaging oil, or teacher oil. That's how I feel. I feel comfortable in my existence. Black seed oil. I'm like, if I've got these, whether it's in my house, or if I'm traveling, they're traveling with me, I'm like, I feel like that's a deep level of prevention. Okay. I've tried my best in terms of staying somewhat ready.

SPEAKER_01

Well, this is it, you know, that all that panic during the COVID, and again, please don't get me wrong. I am not saying, you know, that everybody is going to survive COVID. It it is a lot of it is about mindset. But I remember um what when I I was I was thinking, why is everyone panicking? Do you know what I mean? It was strange for me. Um because it's almost as if nothing changed. And I know I I must admit I was dead set against the vaccines. Same. Yeah, because from what I know about vaccines, what they're s uh putting in your body doesn't all it's usually counteracts your the function of your body.

SPEAKER_04

And also sorry to interject, but also the fact that they're supposed to go through how many years, like 12 years of trials and these things have appeared within months was enough for me to be like.

SPEAKER_01

I question a lot of it, but that's not what today's. So another episode for what I was trying the point I was trying to make is that my mum was getting on, she I helped her as far as I could to reverse a lot of the things or manage a lot of the things that she was going through. And then COVID hit, you know, my dad was um he turned nine 101 in in during COVID. And I remember they were saying they don't want it. They grow up in a time of bushti.

SPEAKER_04

This is what I'm saying. This is it, you know, probably they're trying to fix it around what the the people who were now centurions of women with you people have been doing for a hundred years. What did you do?

SPEAKER_01

I was worried about my mum because she was going to bed with a mouthful of garlic for the sake. Garlic tea, but then she's putting the raw garlic in her, and I'm thinking she might choke. This is this is the only worry I had. Not the garlic. It was just the fact that she might choke garlic, you know. But she was she was insistent, and honestly, um my brother who because there um there is I got four brothers, okay, and then there's me. I don't use anything that's not natural unless I really have to. Yeah. Okay, and I always I'm always aware of the fact that it's the natural things are slightly slower than the pharmaceuticals because they put things in it, and those things are alien to you anyway.

SPEAKER_03

Yes.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, so that's why you get side effects. Right. But the point about COVID time was that my brothers, it was uh my one brother and his wife who insisted on taking the COVID vaccine, the rest of us didn't. Now he's the only one that's sick every minute, catching COVID every minute. Yeah, there's I mean, my other brother, there was no way you're gonna get you might embush g you want him this no, not adding any of it, you know, and he's quite healthy, you know, that he's not getting knocked off his feet all the time. This is it, right? I um around that time I remember um I got food poisoning from some bad Chinese Chinese food, but you know, because I love my Chinese food.

SPEAKER_04

I laugh, you know, because this is the same story I heard just yesterday. This is what I love from that wow, okay.

SPEAKER_01

And that's the only thing that knocked me off my feet. But as you mentioned, oregano, tea tree, right? And I have um what we call on guard, it's a blend of oil essential oils, okay. That when you those three things with frankincense is powerful, okay. Um that throughout COVID, that's what I make the spray, yeah, but when I had the food poisoning, that oregano, and all of that, the oregana, the tea tree, right? And now I'm not saying people to to do this because the products I'm talking about has been highly researched, they're potent, they're natural, there is a hundred percent pure and tested individually, so you know independently, so we know that we can take this oral. So when you go down the high street, you're not gonna get these on the high street. When you go down the high street and buy something, an essential oil, it will tell you you cannot take it orally. That's because it's pure according to industrial standards. Industrial standards mean 80% pure, 20% of something else. The things I am telling you to take orally, I know is pure, 100% pure. So most of them you can take orally. The barks and the root you might have to be careful with. Okay, yeah. But these three oils plus the Francasin, which is four, when I take when you put those, they're powerful.

SPEAKER_03

Nice.

SPEAKER_01

They're powerful, you know. They can people tell I've heard the GP says there's no cure for common coal. Okay, take these things and see what happens.

SPEAKER_04

Of course.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, uh honestly. Um many a winters without a cold, you know. That's right. Exactly. Exactly. You know, um, it's it is um it's something that um we have become so conditioned and we don't even realize we are automatically um falling back on these things uh that we have been conditioned to think. I want people to think, I've always said when I was bringing my children up, I want them to be free thinkers.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

They choose what they want to do, how they want to manage things. And so I took my children out of London where I felt they were too much influence to be like everybody else.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. They were placed in a, you know, I knew that I had what I could, what, what I needed to help them find their identity and be who they want to be. And so I did take them out into an area where the the yeah, the racism was up because this place was so far behind everywhere else when it comes to equality and goodness knows what. And we did, but we came through, and my children, yes, they even got to the point where they home educate their own children, right? Which was really good, but back on track, you know, it's um it's really important that we realize that we do have a lot of answers for ourselves. We don't need to be sitting on a long waiting list. This is another reason I feel I am I compliment because I help, I have an impact on that. When people learn to help themselves, it cuts down the long waiting list, it eaves the burden on the budget that they keep going on about. It's really okay, and so um I don't class myself as this know-it-all or so forth. I, you know, I am an imperfect human being, but I've been given a gift, and that gift came through my daughter from the divine. I had to go through this with my daughter. Yes, it was it's made me very passionate about how I serve people, right? But it also stirred me to look into what's what the reality was. Yeah, how I could help my daughter, and when I realized that we could do that, I could help others as well. Yeah, and then I could quite easily sit up thinking, well, you know, nobody's gonna believe me anyway, right? And sit on it.

SPEAKER_04

The evidence is there, though.

SPEAKER_01

But what does the script if you are a person of faith, what does the scripture say? When the when he gave his servants talents and came back, those who used the talents got more, those who didn't use their talent lost it. Okay, and therefore I felt I was blessed with this and I need to share it, and that's what I'm doing today.

SPEAKER_04

And you have service as well, and this is a part of purpose, I guess.

SPEAKER_01

It is, yes, it is um blessing lives, that's how I see it. Blessing lives and a lot of the you know what I didn't mention is that my daughter, one thing she said to me when she was weak in the hospital, she said to me, Mum, if I if I was if we were able to afford it, I could have been in the lupus clinic in London and I would have got better care. Because at that time America was so advanced, and these they had started a clinic in London. It was only about ten years old at the time in London.

SPEAKER_00

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01

But they understand lupus. But the cost of it, you know, just to have a scan was about three nearly four grand. A consultation, a consultation was nearly a grand, just a consultation. And so she says, If we could afford it, and you know, she was determined because she says to me, Mum, every time I die, every time I die and I think, This is it, I'm gone, you know. She says, The Lord sends me back, you know, so I know I've got to call in, I know I've got to do something. I'm here to do something, I've gone through this for a reason. And to hear somebody so frail and ill, and you know, and you know, when she finally got back on her feet, yeah, she started um Opheliaasis, her name was Ophelia, and she started Opheliaasis, and she charged, it was free, most of it was free, but she charged for things that she had to charge, she didn't charge more than 50 pounds and uh for pe to help people, and she was doing similar things around you know, mindset, yoga, blah blah blah, and she threw herself into that. The other thing she did was to go back to the hospital because they were crying out for phlebotomists.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

And she went back, did a training, and started volunteering. She says, I want to give back. I know that they didn't treat me very well, but credit them for the good bits that they did. Yeah, and she said, I wanted to give back because that's who she was, always smiling. You would never know she was in pain. She always had a smile on her face. And um, in fact, when I did her memorial, I was trying to find photos of her, and I couldn't find any that wasn't smiling. People say she doesn't look ill, you know. But what um the reason I started that story is the fact that when she passed last year, uh 24, now she's passed uh November 24 after after her after living 12 years after her terminal uh diagnosis. She had an extra 12 years and she did a lot with it because I started getting all these phone calls from people I've never they were coming out of the woodwork, how much she had done for them, how she'd helped them, you know, she's helped them their pain. I mean, I had clients that um their mindset just weren't there yet, and they was thinking, it's been 20 years, nobody understands, you know, the pain I'm going through, this nothing can be done. I've been trying I tried everything, you know, and I remember saying to one of my clients, I says, I'll tell you what, I'm gonna refer you on to my daughter because you can't tell her she don't understand.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_01

And I did, and that same person rings me, you know, and she's saying to me, when oh I can't believe I feel like she helped me so much, blah blah blah. This was a girl that wouldn't even leave the house because she also had um long COVID after COVID. She wouldn't even go out of the house or anything like that. And um, in no time, I've seen photo on social media that she's in Cornwall, she's here, you know, and that's it. It was really, really amazing. And what I did, I thought, listen, these people want to tell their story or want to so um as I mentioned earlier, we started a charity as a legacy for her, for my daughter, legacy for my daughter that health people. Now that charity will fund that so because she says to me, I don't want anybody suffering the way I did because they can't afford the medical treatment they need. Right. And so that's what this charity is about, making sure people, if they can afford whatever they can afford, we will subsidize, the charity will subsidize, the charity will build clinics, the charity will make sure, and it is a natural solutions and remedies charity. So it will literally complement whatever else is going on out there, yeah, but it's going to do the work that she wanted to do with what she started, and it's really important because so many people out there are suffering because they don't have the means of paying for the treatments that they need.

SPEAKER_04

I love that. Um tell us about the actual courses that you've got within your work.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, so as I said, we've uh first we have the the health plan, which is called the Cream Plan, and that breaks down because of the pillars of how we work. So yeah. And it's all about educating people as well as getting them to be proactive and take responsibility um for how they help to heal themselves. We do um a program around um we will t we will cover diabetes, we cover menopause, perimenopause, um different um workshops, boot camps, and our retreats. Um we do um two long weekend retreats in the UK and a seven-day in Portugal or Spain. Um, you know, uh again it's all about um classes and workshops and proactive helping people to learn how they can take care of themselves and what they can use, what other things. In fact, the biggest um the biggest um information around this all the bit is our expo, you know, the um the Natural Solutions Expo.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

And we run that in the Black History Month of October with a theme around um ancestral black and a uh African and Caribbean ancestral wellness and remedies across the generation. So we draw in the younger people as well. Okay, we want them to be just as aware and we want to use their wisdom as well. And so we do programs, we reach out to black girls, young black girls and women, women and black girls, you know. Um we're looking, some of our programs are are put together around um suicide amongst young people, especially um pupils in schools or in college or uni, because that's a rising.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, well, we've talked about that on this podcast. Yes, yes, yes, it's a rising thing. And I've got a project in the works right now in line with that.

SPEAKER_01

So we yes, you know, we do have uh um what I want to be clear about is that Nature's Pure Love, which is the company that I founded after um the trials we did, um the umbrella under the brand of Nature's Pure Love. Um and that's the way that works is that we have a pool or a database, if you want to call it, of specialists and alliance members who are all natural solutionists and and you know, um they work naturally and they can range from psychologists, pharmacists, we've got them all. Okay, we've got them all on our database or in our alliance team um membership so that we can provide that people can connect straight away with um people who are running programs, yeah. Yeah, because one of the things um uh I didn't want Nature's Pure Love to do is um to um reinvent the wheel.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_01

It's there, it you know, there's a lot of people with the skills that are practicing out there and doing a good job, and we searched them out and make them part of our database so that when you have a consultation with what my heologist, okay, she's a natural solutionist, looks into root cause, take you through a program that you know will help you turn things around. Um, or you have a consultation with my specialist that specializes in mindful movement meditation, which is about agility mainly.

SPEAKER_03

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, but again the power of the mind.

SPEAKER_03

Yes.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. You we run courses on um the importance of gut health.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Right? A lot of people don't understand. Gut health, you know, your gut is actually the first brain in your body. Mind the one up there, because if this doesn't fire properly like that spark plug, the message that this gets, right, is going to impact your cells and your organs and everything about you.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

That is really important for gut health. And so we do webinars around and again the webinars showcase our specialists because they do the presentation, they tell you about their, you know, um, like as I says my helologist, she is a qualified pharmacist. She can actually say, Yeah, this medication will counteract this or that or whatever. Okay, people do tend to say, Well, the doctor says I need to be on this, blah blah blah, and she, you know, she will look at it and can work directly with the GP pharmacists, okay, which is why again I say we are complimentary.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Because we will, I mean, I did it for my mum when I sorted out that I got in touch with her GP and he put me in touch with the the the the um pharmacist because I says I'm going to be putting my mum on this and that, and I know she's got her angina and you've got her in certain tablets.

SPEAKER_00

Right.

SPEAKER_01

Let's look at how it all works. Okay, right. And then because of course, some natural remedies can counteract some. Oh, yeah. And of course, um, we have to again we'll be complementary and not alternative. We can be stubborn, yeah, you know, and we can say, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I know without a shadow of doubt, that the mind is powerful and you can heal yourself, but that's not everybody. That's not everybody that can do that. Right. So I do not want to disarm people and say, you gotta do it this way, don't use that, don't take that medicine, you know, take this. I'm an advocate for natural solutions and remedies, but I can complement the other traditional way of doing things, and I can work with those um those practitioners as well to bring a balance.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I've I've seen some brilliant things in this lifetime it's in terms of more traditional practices. One that stands out to me in particular was when I went to Angola and um I went to literally it was a health center, and it was very small, independent, and it was down the road from the main uh general hospital in Luanda and incredible, amazing things. So they had all sorts going on too the even like the the footback things that just sucked all the toxins out of your body. Um but the thing that stuck out to me the most powerful was I saw like they had this like square table and it had like um this chart on it, and it was like a vibrations chart just like drawn out on there, and I went there with my friend, and he was going there to get some healing. Well, that's why I saw some stuff. Basically, he was standing, and then two practitioners they were all linked around this square table, and then it was just all vibrations and sounds and chanting and amazing things, and just like some different type of healing. I was like, Yes! I needed to see this in my lifetime literally next level. But as I said, that was one of so many other things that were happening there that are beyond what's happening over here in the West. Yes, yes, and and just to add to that, because as much as I was there, I've seen that and I've seen the healing on different type of level in front of my own eyes. Another I've heard stories about that place in particular, and one of them that stands out similar to your own story over here, was as I said, down the road from the general hospital, and then there was somebody who had um I think they were total late stages of I believe cancer, as in, so therefore that hospital gave up on them, like send you home and um yeah, God bless you, kind of thing. But then that person then went down to that little health place that I was in, healed in a same as it's out a short amount of time. But all the stuff they're doing around there, that person healed and moved on with life. Like life come back.

SPEAKER_01

It happens, literally, and it's it's it, you know, it's so sometimes uh, you know, people think, okay, you know, that sounds far-fetched, but it isn't. I have patients uh I really have clients who have actually been diagnosed with pancreas cancer and all kinds of things, and healed, healed, they have healed themselves, right? They refuse. I have a client right now that I'm still mentoring, and she refused when the doctor said to her, you know, um, her heart says, I don't have no, you know, and she says, I don't have no heart disease, I don't my heart's fine, you know. Um but it's not it's not being stupid. If you are able and you really are strong in your belief and your mind, you know, we come back to faith, yeah, and you believe, heal yourself. Yeah, you know the Lord when when when the woman touched his garment and healed, he didn't even need you know, and he knew somebody had touched him and he asked, yeah. When she did that and she healed, he said, Woman, you healed your faith, healed you. Yeah, you believed, you believed it would happen, right? And you did what you know to do. Now it's exactly the same. I'm not saying you go and touch somebody's garment. Please, I'm not trying to make it that um thriving the word. I think it's important to realize your own divinity.

SPEAKER_03

Yes, right?

SPEAKER_01

Everything else is to complement that. Everything else, the doctors, the consultants, whatever, you know, your natural remedies, your whatever, is about complementing what you've already got. And if you go if your subconscious mind is what you use most of the time, right? And your subconscious mind is there to protect you, right? But really in trying to protect you, it causes you more damage. Yeah, really think about that, and that's what we use 80 odd percent of the time, right? We're not using our full brain, we're using the subconscious mind because if we suffer something, a pain, a trauma, or whatever, that's what gets stored in that subconscious mind. So the next time something close or even remotely like it happens, automatically it's defending you and it shh takes over.

SPEAKER_04

Don't don't do it, don't do it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

That's right. And so if you, you know, if you don't take back control, then it will spiral out of control. Right? You will believe you can't do this, you can't do that, and I'm sick, I'm gonna die. And you're literally self-prophesying. Right. Right? That when you start to think, take back some control, and you are in charge of your subconscious mind rather than your subconscious mind's in charge of you.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Right? Of course it remembers, but it's caution. You can be cautious and you can take control and decide how you're going to manage things, and that's what heals. That's what heals when you're in control. Definitely. Because the Lord tells you with faith, you can move mountain. Okay, and he showed you you can walk and water, and he showed you. Yeah. And everybody thinks, oh well, he's a super being and whatever not, he's God, so he can do that. No, but we are as children, and your children has the potential, yeah, that you you know, the potential to become like you.

SPEAKER_04

And see the power in themselves.

SPEAKER_01

And see the power in themselves, yeah. Yeah, and therefore, um it's really important that we start to change some of that negative. Again, I I'm always quoting scriptures, I'm really sorry. No, because you know to say, you know, um, fear is not of God. Right. Fear is not of you, you're not, you know. And um when you allow fear to take over, which we did, which is why my daughter suffered so much in the hospital, right, because I'd totally forgotten, I'd panicked so much that I laid everything, uh all my trust, everything, you know, even though they weren't even diagnosed and they couldn't tell us what was wrong and stuff. We were still believing in that they it wasn't until my daughter's school friend called me and said, But you you used to use natural remedies, you used to this and that. And I thought, yeah, why didn't I think of that? And it wasn't until then that things changed for my daughter in a great great deal. She got her life back, you know. Obviously, her kidneys were failing because you know, um it was stage five when they diagnosed her and all her organs were really uh ready under attack. Okay, so you know, for us, twelve years is fantastic considering yeah, because she couldn't even get a donor.

SPEAKER_00

Right.

SPEAKER_01

She couldn't even get a donor, right? And so um it was it wasn't we then had to work with the um with the traditional around that, and then she had her time when she says enough is enough, I'm not a lab rat anymore, and that sort of thing, and I'm just now gonna leave it in the Lord's hand. So let me just say the um one thing I started on and didn't finish was the expo in October because that's where again a lot of specialists and a lot of um teachers and facilitators come along to that exos and deliver um programs and classes. Um people are encouraged to be proactive, take a take something away with them, you know, whether it's a treatment or a solution or you know, make your own medication or whatever it is, your natural medication, yeah. Um that happens, and then we have all the um all these vendors that they can introduce them to all the things that are out there, traditional, natural, traditional medicine. So you don't have to worry about where do I get this? You can be connected.

SPEAKER_04

Um that ties into the next question I had because I was going to say, like, if somebody is going through some form of health challenge at the moment, um, but a little bit weary about being introduced into something that's that's new, unfortunately, it's new to some people, which also realized this is a bit wild because we all are of nature, but hey, that's the reality of the times that we're living in. If they were feeling a little bit um apprehensive about kind of stepping forward into just introducing, as you said, everything that's complementary to them, what would you what would you say to them or what would you recommend to them?

SPEAKER_01

The first thing I would say to them, if you're appreci and uh apprehensive, listen, just learn. Just um just prepare yourself to learn as much as you can. You know, nothing is better than building your own confidence. My whole um drive is to empower you to become self-reliant, right? I don't I I I I am the other side of the traditional, right? I want you to know that you have the power and you can you can make decisions when you're confident. So it's about building your confidence, learning, right? If you learn about it, take the opportunity to do that. We offer discovery calls. It's only 30 minutes, but you can give us a call and chat to somebody.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

If you want more, there's a f and it's free, right? Because again, the theme of my daughter wanting to help people runs through even the business, Nature's Feel Love. It's free. We don't charge for everything. So that as a 30-minute discovery call, you know, because it says a consultation here and a consult it's gonna charge you all kind of things, but we offer that free. Okay. So it's a a discovery call with me.

SPEAKER_04

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Okay is is a 30-minute thing. But our specialists do free 60-minute consultation. Oh, amazing. As well. So they are offering, you know, um people don't realize they they can charge up to two grand for their consultation, and they're offering this free because we have negotiated that with them because we want my daughter wants to help wanted to help people. Right. And Nature's Pure Love is about doing that to help people um to access the care, the health care that they need. Okay, so they can find out the expo uh again that happens annually um in October, as I said, the information they can pick up there, but it's a celebration at the same time. So people are gonna enjoy it. They're gonna enjoy the bongo jumps, they're gonna enjoy. Do you understand? The poetry, the th the theme. And we had massive success last October. People were so I I've never seen people so elevated, and we just had nothing but good to say because they had such a good time. We danced, we sang, we had healing exactly natural solutions. That's it. Okay, people we we we don't realize all these sort of things. Um, you know, when you look back in our culture, my goodness, this is what we do, and we are healthy, right?

SPEAKER_03

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01

Um, my dentist, when I was a young child, younger person, teenager or so, I remember my dentist saying, Oh, your teeth, this, my doctor saying your bones this, and I'm thinking, you know what? My mum give me wash out every time school have holidays.

SPEAKER_02

Your teeth strong.

SPEAKER_04

You can't say in terms of people just relaying it back to the car earlier you can't if there's a lot of slut and whatever going on, you have to have to clean out the thing first and then put back what you need to put back. So it's the same with your system, colon cleanse and blah blah blah needs to happen.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, you know, you know, we did the whole web webinar on um gut health and cleaning the gut, and you know, my my specialist she showed a picture of a dirty one and a clean one. Oh my goodness, the difference. It's it's no wonder things start to get sluggy and you know, and so forth. Um but it really it really is important because um the cream pan, we it it does we do say we don't we won't start a plan, as I said, one if your mindset's not there. We won't start a plan if you don't um if you're not ready for a cleanse, because you might have to be ready for a cleanse. Yeah, you know, and my my saying to all my clients is I don't cook in dirty saucepan. And so if you're gonna get the saucepan out of the sink and come cook in it, then I want it. Okay, so I won't even go there with you. So we have to have a cleanse. If you if this is to work for you, yeah, you've got to have a cleanse and start fresh so that those cells, those organs can be regenerated.

SPEAKER_03

Yes.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. Um so that those are two things. And the third thing is we do an epigenetic test so we can look at what deficiencies there is, and we can then look at um, you know, my ebooks will take you through it because we do recipes and and um we look at the kind of food and what you need in your deficiencies, you know, amiga. Everybody's amigas can be low, right? But we boost that up within six months.

SPEAKER_00

Nice.

SPEAKER_01

And we do a test before and a test after. Okay. People can see the change, the difference, right? Which is why we guarantee our six months plan because we know it works. Love it. We're confident that you are going to see changes. Okay. Okay, and so um those three main things is where we start, and then we have the specialist programs within that plan that you learn. You know, we do the 30-day alignment, which is the mindset bit and the neuroscience brainwave thing. Okay. EFT, yeah, is again around pain management and around um trauma. Okay, our specialist that works with EFT is the tapping.

SPEAKER_03

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's a natural thing. Okay. It's tapping. Again, some people, we have a variety of things because we are aware that some people don't take to certain things. People are different, people choose different. So we want them to reach the same outcome. So when we do our assessment and it's bespoke, you know, so some might like EFT and their program will involve EFT, but others might work better with something else. Would you mind explaining what EFT is for those who Yeah, emotional freedom technique, it's uh therapy. Okay, it's um it's it was developed during uh um developed and used uh during the First World War, I believe, effectively. Um so it's scientifically based and it is tapping. It's about tapping whether it's for pain, mainly for pain.

SPEAKER_04

What do you mean tapping?

SPEAKER_01

You know, on pain on points, yes, on your thing point. No, no, no, you tap yourself, they teach you. This is techniques that are taught. We don't we don't make people reliant, okay. We teach them, yes. So she the the the specialist will take you through that tapping process on the points that you need to tap it, they're very, very specific points in your body that you you can tap on, okay. Um, and you can learn. More because my specialists run classes. Again, it's about making sure people learn what's good for them and can make choices about what they want to work with. So some people might find it not for them, others do find it really, really um helpful, right? And it works, it works for a lot of people. In fact, it was um it was something that worked on on soldiers, as I said, um, you know, with trauma and things, um, and with pain, pain management. Um, we have the aroma touch technique um therapy, right? It's completely different to our aromatouch therapy, okay. Again, it's uh about learning techniques that and with the oils and things, and again, the specialist takes you through that, teach you, they run classes, and because you can jump on any class that you want at any time, it means that you can then it you you're then getting informed, you can make informed choices, right? Yeah, of what you want to use, but you know you're gonna get results. Okay, and that is why we call it effective self-care habits. So once you d know what's gonna work for you, or you know what you're comfortable with and you put it and it's in your plan, your bespoke plan, you can then learn that over a six month period, and we expect it's a lifetime change, it's a lifetime thing. It's not oh, pop in a pill today and tomorrow and I feel all right, and then next week you collapse again. Yeah. Right, you are in control.

SPEAKER_04

I I'm really drawn to the um the epigenetic testing because this is something that's been on my mind recently anyway. So I'm like, would you like to expand on that? Because I'm already the first uh customer from this podcast.

SPEAKER_01

Our um epigenetic test, it's a test that looks at your cells and your nutritional um um balance and all that. It's a scientific base and it's um our specialists um it's right, let me explain. It's it's a hair sample from the back of your neck, or if you don't have hair on your head, then you take it from wherever you have hair, okay? And that's sent off to a lab in France, uh, and that's where the epigenetic test is done. And it fit it gives all the information about you and your body. You know, you get a 30-page, it's about 30, 30 odd page report. That's yours, you're paying for that, and it's yours. You can choose to take that anywhere to your GP, to your consultant, to a clinic, anywhere you want, it's done. Um report that is official and it's yours. Okay, so the c it comes back to you, and you choose to share it with whoever you want, um, and it gives a complete picture of your um uh body and organs and cells, you know, the nutritional side of things as well. You know, cells. Yeah, and and from that we use that in our um plan to help you put a health plan together, um, including how to take care of the gulp gut, what food, if you especially if you've got a condition, what's what food. Now we don't believe in saying don't eat this, don't eat that, okay, because you know what the mind does the minute you tell it yourself you're not gonna have this, it's gonna tell you you need it. Right old devil's gonna sit there saying eat it, eat it, eat it. So we don't um we don't actually say that, but um, but we don't believe in fad diets either.

SPEAKER_03

Right, okay.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, so what um it's for you to look at what you like, right? We if you if we believe don't overjose on things, okay. Right? You can reward you certain things is to be used as reward and treats.

SPEAKER_03

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, and that way you're telling your brains, I can have it, right? But I'll have it when I want it. And I think this is really nice for a reward or a treat. What is it worth to you to be able to get up and play with your grandchildren or sit and cry in pain or feel a burden, you're going on holiday with the family and you feel like you're a burden and you have to rely on people. What would it what's the value to you if you could be just more independent? Yeah. Think about that. So it's not things not expensive, it depends on the the value put on it.

SPEAKER_04

Depends what you prioritise.

SPEAKER_01

And then what your prior yes, rather than what value put on it.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

You know, so yeah, it is um the epigenetic test is is a really important test, and we won't start a plan without having one done, because we want to make it as bespoke for you as possible, and your test uh results will be different to the other person, it's yours.

SPEAKER_04

I think it's just it even if somebody that would didn't want to do anything with it after, I think it's just gonna be so interesting to have to really like yeah, as you say, it's the book of you.

SPEAKER_01

You that's right, it's the book of you, and what works with you, you know, your body chemical is different, so some essential oil might not work with you, and some is just so compatible with you, some um food types, yeah. Although you might love it, but it's not gonna work with you properly. So, how do we manage? We look at how we manage that. We don't look at saying, no, you can't have it. Yeah, we look at it, because you're gonna go to parties and it's not your choice, the menu sometimes. Do you know what I mean? You go to a party and you can't eat and you feel like you're the odd one out, and blah blah blah. Why do that to yourself? Because what is that saying to your subconscious mind, right? And it's gonna want to take charge, you know, but when you pacify it, yeah and you know so you're not doing it every day, you know, um people some people overdose on meat, for instance. It's protein, it's necessary, right? But you don't have to over overdose on it. You know, you can get protein in so many different varieties of food, um, you know, and meat, let me tell you, in my in my religion, we have what we call the word of wisdom, and we believe in seasonal. And meat is for the winter time.

SPEAKER_04

I've not eaten meat since 2001, so you don't need to tell me it's been a minute since I'm at any meat.

SPEAKER_01

You know, I'm choosing for the people. But then again, but then again, as I say, it's balance. Once you balance things, there's nothing wrong with these things because if you're not um getting, you know, and yeah, I have no problem with vegetarians and you know, people who've uh abstained from meat, that's not a problem, that's a choice, that's a yeah, and that's to be respected. But I always say consider, consider and look at it properly because um what you're trying to what is it you're trying to um achieve for your body? Okay, and what if your body needs it?

SPEAKER_02

It's this is why I want my epigenetic test.

SPEAKER_01

You gotta balance fish, fish is omega, right? It's omega. You're not gonna get everything from the plant.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Which is why it says the word of wisdom, the word of wisdom is seasonal, you know, meat and seeds and all of this, it tells you, you know, I can I s I I run a course on that around the word of wisdom, you know, so that people can see why. And it tells you certain things is not for the stomach, and certain things is not for the body, and certain things are for the animals, certain things, yeah. Yeah, so you need to know, and I mean I um I don't t drink like you have the thing about meat, I don't drink cow's milk because as far as I'm concerned, you know, if the baby cow have to have our mini stomach to digest that, and my one little stomach is expected to digest it, and people telling me it's good for me.

SPEAKER_04

And the term lactose intolerance is having that, and your body is telling me.

SPEAKER_01

And a lot of people, a lot of children in um are getting reactions, right? And you have to ask those questions. So, although I will say, you know, I have drank covers milk, but it's the um the red top one, which is like water. The the skin. No, um no, it's skin. It's got nothing.

SPEAKER_04

It's green, semi-skinned.

SPEAKER_01

I've been on soya and all that. Um not milk. The plant I've been on uh for a long time now. That's what I use. The sugar. Again, I don't use sugar. I get the um stevia sweet uh um sugar. Um it's not a sweetener. People say it's a sweetener. No, don't have the aftertaste, it don't have the all that rubbish in it. It's a plant. Um, but there are two types. Okay. Right? One is for bacon and it has a funny taste.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And the other one is simply just stevia, the stev from the stevia plant. And that's like any sugar. It tastes like sugar. You know, so if you're a sweet tooth, my mum was a sweet tooth, and therefore she breastfed us and then we became addicted. So we've had to learn to manage it, you know.

SPEAKER_04

Um I just tried a new one at my cousin's house. It was like a date, a date syrup one or something. Yeah. That was tasty.

SPEAKER_01

That was what um you look for is the energy value, the weight value, you know, um zero calories. You know, you want the zero calories, the zero this, the zero that. Okay, um, but you want the taste because you know, um I researched this simply because I know how difficult it is for people. Sugar is addictive, and so it's hard for people to come. It's amazing how they legalize some certain things and they illegalize other things, and some some of the legal things are even worse.

SPEAKER_00

Crazy.

SPEAKER_01

You know, and but they condition you to think, oh no, no, no, no, no, that's really bad. Yeah, you know, and then they're giving you the bad things anyway, and you're saying, Oh yeah, it's lovely. Works in their favour though, isn't it, in terms of them making you sick from certain things, and then they get all the money in terms of exactly that's that's why I stayed off of because honestly, I'm really passionate about the camouflage and the blindness, how they blind people in order to, you know, but that's for another day.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I just want people to today I want people to know that there's a many ways of taking care of themselves and many things to be aware of um health-wise, um, that and how to connect with some of these things.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, to connect with some of these things. Nature's pure love as a business is not just about you know, come to us. We open up because as us as we do not invent the wheels, we don't reinvent the wheels. These people are out there, we bring them together in our alliance and connect you, and so you know, you work with our specialists and alliance members within the cream plan, which is a six-month plan, but this is a valued contact. Um, my clients now has a connection with and and a relationship with a specialist or two or three or four that if anything, and they feel they're not sure or they're falling off the rail, they can connect straight away. That connection there, they know them, they they know them and they know each other. Okay, and so it's now a relationship for a lifetime. You know, they can always turn to those specialists. So we're not just about, oh, here's a plan, you know, we're here to connect you not only with the remedies, but with the specialists. Um we support you, advocate, we advocate and mentors, um, you know, and we will um, if that's what you want, we will work with your you know, your traditional practitioner in your interest. So, in that advocacy way, and compli to complement your treatment. Um, so we will do that. They you know, you can have that assessment with us, and if you feel that, you know, okay, I need to talk with my GP, would you be part of that? We can do that.

SPEAKER_04

So, where can people find you? That's your website or uh website.

SPEAKER_01

The website is very s easy, it's www.naturespure.uk. Very simple, and the email is the same. Info at nature's purelove.uk.

SPEAKER_02

Amazing.

SPEAKER_01

Pick up the number anyway. If you go to you know, you can send an email, the team will pick it up very quickly and come back to you.

SPEAKER_04

Do you have a final word that you'd like to share with?

SPEAKER_01

The final word that I have is that people um don't just accept, um, you know, believe in yourself. Don't just accept your health is in your hands. Your health is in your hands, okay? So think about it, find out about it, research if you have to, or jump on our classes and learn as much as you can, because I'm telling you, you you know, you will see the changes in your health and in your family and relationships. Okay, it will completely because this world is very messed up at the moment, and it's about destroying you, your family, and everything about you. Okay, so that's it.

SPEAKER_04

Amazing, thank you so much. I feel like I've taken so much from you, and um yeah, all the best in everything that you're doing, and I will definitely be at your expert. And I'm gonna do my epigenetics course as well. Oh, please, just in the note, this has been another wonderful episode. Um, Baba's doing a wonderful job, and she's out here being of service to others, helping others, and also helping in the legacy of her daughter, and somebody's taking action, and this is what we love on this podcast. It's people who are not just out here talking about things or actually doing things, and um we yeah, we're all reconnecting. So, on that note, be blessed.