Troy Marrow | From Player to Coach

In this episode, Troy Morrow shares his journey from a young baseball enthusiast to a professional coach. He discusses his early influences, challenges faced during high school and college baseball, the impact of injuries on his mental health, and his transition into coaching. Troy emphasizes the importance of leadership, player evaluation, and the lessons learned throughout his career, providing valuable insights for aspiring players and coaches alike. In this conversation, Troy Marrow shares insights on evaluating player potential, the significance of rhythm and timing in infield play, and the importance of developing athleticism in young players. He also discusses the recruiting process, emphasizing the need for honest assessments of a player's abilities and the role of social media in modern recruiting. Troy provides practical advice for parents on how to support their children's athletic development and navigate the complexities of youth baseball.

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SPEAKER_02 0:00

What's going on, y'all? Welcome to another episode of NJ Health the Heat, the podcast with your host, Matt Delarosa, as always. And today I am joined by Troy Morrow. He is a former uh college baseball player himself. He's a former D1 coach. He's a former professional coach. He's a current infield development coach with Team USA. And today he is gracing us with his presence to talk all things recruiting, all things uh infield, all things baseball. So we're gonna spend about an hour chopping it up, going over his uh career, going over some uh ins and outs that he speaks to his infielders about. And uh yeah, if you're out there and you got a pen and a paper, today is a great day to grab that, write some notes. This is gonna be filled with some gems, especially all of my parents and kids who play infield. So, hey, without further ado, man, hey, appreciate you having me. I already, you me having you, you having uh time to come on to this uh podcast, man. We just met on Instagram not too long ago, and then funny how quickly things happen. Now we're here sitting on a conversation uh in front of the world.

SPEAKER_00 1:01

Yeah, no, appreciate you for having me on. Just uh ready to talk about some infield play, recruiting, all the things, and just want to say, yeah, thank you and keep doing the good work and just getting people uh the good information that they need about recruiting in infield um because needed.

SPEAKER_02 1:17

Yeah, I'm trying, man. I'm trying. I that brings me to my next point for everybody out there. Again, I tell this to everybody who listens. I don't make a dollar off of this podcast. I do this solely for uh to provide the best information I can. So it would mean a ton if you guys could just hit that follow button, share it with people. I appreciate you guys listening. Um, but again, this is just for you guys. This is not a part of anything that I plan to make money off of. Um, so from there, uh kind of talk to me about your your your upbringing, man. Like let's just start from you know how you gained all of this knowledge. It had to start at a young age through experience. So let's talk about your upbringing through baseball.

SPEAKER_00 1:55

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, definitely started young. My first memory of baseball was actually my dad. Uh my dad grew up in in Brooklyn, New York, but he was actually a basketball player, so was my mom. Um, but we moved to Baltimore when I was five years old, and we were just sitting down watching an Orioles game, and they were playing the Yankees, actually. And my dad just goes, watch number two. And it was Derek Jeter.

SPEAKER_02 2:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:21

And that was my first memory of baseball. And ever since that day, I I was a Yankees fan my whole entire life until I started working for the Orioles. Um but from that point on, it was like I fell I fell in love with the game. And like specifically with Derek Jeter, just the way he went about his game, just how like um particular he was like in the in the details, just the way he went about it as a professional. And just like the his baseball IQ was the biggest thing that that stood out to me, you know, even at a young age. My dad would always be like, Yeah, you know, he's like not the most athletic guy out there. He doesn't have the he doesn't hit for the most power, you know, he doesn't have the best range, but he's the captain, you know. And that was the one thing that stood out to me. And so it was like at a young age, I knew I was gonna mimic my game after him because I was a small kid. I didn't reach five foot until I was in the eighth grade. Oh wow, and then yeah, then had like a little growth spurt, like finally to like five foot five as a freshman, but it was like one of those things like where I had to uh outsmart people on the baseball field, which is uh a thing that you can do and have a high baseball IQ. So um, yeah, I modeled my all my game after Derek Jeter.

SPEAKER_02 3:34

Man, I didn't I've never met you in person. So how tall are you right now if you're five?

SPEAKER_00 3:38

Um I tell I tell people I'm five eight, probably five, seven and three quarters, to be honest with you.

SPEAKER_02 3:44

Five's eight in those cleats, though. You know what I'm saying? Oh yeah.

unknown 3:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:48

On your pro reference page, you gotta put five nine.

SPEAKER_00 3:50

Exactly. I wish I was five ten, but it's one of those things, you know. Small, small people, we we got it too, you know.

SPEAKER_02 3:58

Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. Yeah, it's it's funny because I actually grew up, so I grew up a Red Sox fan. My dad was a Yankees fan. Um I fell in love with the game around 2003, 2004, when all the great shortstops, I mean, we got great shortstops all the time, but like I'm talking about uh the big three was was Jeter, Arod, and uh my favorite No Mar Garcia Para. And that's really when I started falling in the game, falling in love with like shortstop position. Um so I grew up hating the the Yankees my entire life. After playing and getting done and like finishing up my career, I look back and I respect all the stuff that Derek Jeter had to offer to the game. Going back and watching like the captain. Have you seen that? I'm sure you have the documentary. Oh my god, it's it's it's incredible, right? So like you just get so much more respect for for who that man was and how he went about his business doing anything for that long. Like is is crazy, man.

SPEAKER_00 4:53

Was it 20, what, 21 years? I can't remember how many years it was.

SPEAKER_02 4:57

Yeah, that's just an incredible run. Incredible run. All right, so then uh then then you uh you get to high school. So when do you start developing like uh uh uh love for the game? I guess not the love of the game. When do you start developing like your own knowledge and saying, like, okay, I'm pretty good at this sport and I can kind of take it to the next level beyond high school?

SPEAKER_00 5:16

Yeah, um, it was definitely in high school. Um, so I went to uh one high school called Calver Hall. Uh people in Maryland know know that school hands down, probably one of the best baseball schools in Maryland. Public school? Private school.

SPEAKER_01 5:31

Um boy got money. Hey, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:36

But that's the thing, like in Maryland, it's like you have to go to private school. Um like if you want to like specifically for baseball, you know. Um it's either you go to private school or you live like in another county, like Aaron Rondo, Howard County, really good baseball in like for public schools, but Baltimore County public schools, terrible at base at baseball.

SPEAKER_02 5:54

And so yeah, private schools up here is a different monster, bro. They're not really a thing down in Texas. I think they might be somewhere here and there, but like public schools provide you with enough talent.

SPEAKER_00 6:05

Yeah. And so um, I was, yeah, it's my freshman year high school. I went to the school cabin hall, like solely to play baseball. But the the thing was my football coaches also came there to coach football. Um, because I played football at the time too. Um, and then it was one of those things after my freshman year, they said, All right, Troy, we really want you to focus on on football. Um, to like give it, give it your all kind of like go all in with it. But I was like, you know what? And I want to play baseball, you know. So I actually ended up transferring schools to their biggest rival, believe it or not, called Loyola Blakefield. Um, and then it was that turning point where I started off on varsity that year as a sophomore, was hitting like four, like 420, you know. Then I'll never forget it. I got cut in BWI airport and got sent down to JV. Um but it was like kind of like that initial cut, like got like really got like the juices flowing of like, all right, I have something to prove like when it comes to to the game of baseball. Um, and so then after that, started like going to my junior year, started.

SPEAKER_02 7:12

Hold on, real quick, real quick. You were hitting 420 as a sophomore and they cut you. What did what's the explanation there? I gotta, I gotta know.

SPEAKER_00 7:17

Uh, there was a senior playing set senior playing second base, you know. Um, and so we're we're splitting time going back and forth. Um it was one of those things where they just they kept the scene, they're not gonna cut a senior and let him ride the bench, you know. So they cut me. I ended up playing JV that year. I think I hit like it was something like 600 or something stupid. It was it was so easy. Um yeah, and then like really started playing um like showcase ball going into my junior year. So um Dan Gidson, who's with the the Canes now, started the team in in Maryland called the Mid Atlantic Mets at the time, um where he was taking like the best kids like in the Maryland like DMB area and and going to different showcases all up and down like the East Coast. So we're going to Radford, we're going to UNC, we're going to Virginia Tech, all these different schools. And like that's when it was like, all right, I made that decision where it's going all in with baseball. Um the thing was for me, I was a terrible student. I had a 2.3 GPA. Um, I could care less about school, and that was one of my biggest regrets looking back at it, you know? And so it was that I really limited myself, like what schools could recruit me. Um and luckily and thankfully, I was able to get a division one scholarship to to North Carolina Central University because I still scored high enough on my SAT. And I was like, you know what? Um, and so they were able to offer me, and it was from there, you know, we took that first offer as a Division I scholarship and and and went there. And so that was my that was like my short version of the my high school journey. Um, but definitely limiting myself just based off of my my grades, to be honest with you.

SPEAKER_02 9:05

Well, you just didn't turn in homework. If you if you make a good score on the SAT, I would have to imagine like you're just pretty smart. You're probably just pretty unmotivated to like do the homework assignments and everything like that.

SPEAKER_00 9:15

Or were you just like not skipping school or I did well I couldn't see, I mean it was private school, so you know like man, you could not skip school. So I did do my homework. Um like when it came to the test, I would like study barely enough to like pass and get like a C, you know. Um but yeah, it was one of those things. Even got suspended. I tell I'm I'm an honest book. I got in school suspension for plagiarizing paper when I was a junior, you know, and got suspended from baseball for like three weeks, which was a big eye opener though, as well. Like kind of like put me back like on the straight and narrow path. Um, but yeah, it was like one of those things I did not like school, and that that was my biggest, like my biggest regret. I was like, all right, if I just gave it a little bit of effort, who knows like where I could have played. Um still got to play Division I baseball at the end of the year.

SPEAKER_02 10:03

Definitely, man. And hey, at that point in time, for most like most guys, like we're just stupid, like we're you know, like we're not too concerned about anything, you know, we're not taking school too seriously yet. And uh just so funny how you know we evolve as men, how our brains evolve and like how our responsibilities change. And then when you get to our age, you're like, damn, high school is kind of important, man. I really do, I really did need to like lock in and like study and stuff, even though I didn't want to. Like it just teaches you so many skills that you ultimately have to learn, anyways. So it's like you might as well start learning them now.

SPEAKER_00 10:38

Oh, for sure. Yeah, and so it's funny now. It's like I work in school, graduated, it's like graduated with the masters, you know. It's like I kind of kind of got my head on straight after that. And so there you go.

SPEAKER_02 10:52

Yeah, yeah. And uh so you go to North Carolina Central, you crush it there, you're a three-year team captain. Talk to me. Uh you know, you're the first player that I've talked to that's uh been a captain of like their college team. Um, talk to me about what being a captain means. Maybe decipher the difference between like a leader and a captain, um, and especially for for a play. You played shortstop, right? Uh in college or second basement?

SPEAKER_00 11:16

I played uh I played I started off as second and then I played the third because I got a concussion, my fifth college game of my freshman year. And so my my roommate was a starting third baseman. I was starting second baseman. I got that concussion. He was struggling at third. Coach is like, all right, we're gonna do a little flip-flop. I started started playing third and playing well. He played second, played well, and the rest was history from there. Yeah, and so um, yeah, like when it came to being a captain, um, a three-time captain, I think it's like one, just a great honor, you know. Um, like looking back at it. I think sometimes you could take it for granted, especially in the moment, you know. Because I remember my my sophomore year, we were um actually we didn't have him my sophomore year. And so the way I was I was voted three times as captain, I was uh I redshirted my senior year. And so like my first year as a captain was a junior, which was a coach's was that yeah, that was the coach's captain. Like he got to he got to pick a captain that year, and he picked me. My next year, I was the coach's captain again, but then like my senior year, I was the the player's captain, which actually even speaks like more volume, I think, when uh the players will will pick the captain and be like, you know, we want this guy leading our team. And for me, it was this big responsibility of, you know, it's just not like how we're gonna go about like our business like on game day, you know. It's like when it came down to like weight room, you know, or like study hall, or it came down to even just like volunteer like work that we might have to do as as a team or out of season practices, like all that stuff was like put on my shoulders, you know? And so it's like if a guy shows up late to to weight training, like yeah, that guy's gonna get like in a little bit of trouble, but it's gonna come back on me as as the captain of like, all right, am I gonna have a conversation with this guy? Has he done this multiple times before? Um, then even like when it comes to like to stuff like during practice, you know, it's like, all right, say we're not having a good practice, especially like as an infielder, you know this, yeah. Outfielders, they got the easiest practices in in college, you know. Um, but it's like say we're doing like 27 outs as infielders and we're making a bunch of errors, or we're just like not mentally checked in. Like, there's a lot of times like as the captain, like I had that right and like responsibility to like get on my guys, you know, and like where I would I would stop like middle of practice and I would I was the I was a yeller, like people like you knew me in person. I'm a quiet guy, I'm nice and nice and mellow. But like when I was on that baseball field, I turned into like a sergeant in a way, and like that's what the the captain would do. And like one of my my favorite stories of my teammates talk about it all the time. I was a junior and we had a freshman first baseman who's like 6'4, and we're doing 27 outs. And my coach, he hit me, hits me like two balls in a row. First time I throw it to first first baseman, his name is Christian, he doesn't even mind me talk talking about this. Takes his foot, takes his foot off the bag, you know, right? And it's like, all right, like keep your foot on the bag so we can get the out. And then the same play happens again, takes his foot off the bag again. And it's like, as the captain of that moment, I I felt at that time because like we had already been out there doing 27 hours for a while. I just I got to that point where I was like, you need like I'm not gonna curse on the podcast, but it's like I I let him have it, and like I started walking across the the infield at the time like to go like confront him. And like I remember my coach like talking to me about this when I was a grad assistant, and he goes, Troy, that was like one of my favorite days ever. Um it's like you didn't care, like this kid was like six-four. It's like, no, like you knew that we had to get in line during this time. And so, like, as a captain, it's like one of those things where you have to be able to see everything that is happening, you know, and also like if one of your teammates is going through it, like gonna break up, especially like in college, you know. Um, and so it's just like like all those things to be in that that good, that good teammate, but going above and beyond, I would I would say.

SPEAKER_02 15:28

Nice, man. And did I sorry, did I hear you say you redshirted your senior year as well? So what happened there?

SPEAKER_00 15:33

Yeah, yeah, red shirted my senior year. So I I was a three-year starter. Um, I was very blessed for that. And then my senior year in summer ball, actually, um, was taking some swings and I felt a pop in my my left shoulder. I was like, oh, that felt felt weird, and then went to go play a game later that day. Felt like that same pop earlier. I mean, later, like got home, like my shoulder was like sitting up like this. Um, ended up finding out like I tore my labrum. And so like we were having conversations.

SPEAKER_01 16:00

Left shoulder?

SPEAKER_00 16:01

Left shoulder, yeah. And so we're having conversations with the surgeon. Um, obviously, my surgeon, I was in Maryland, and then my trainers at school, and it was like, all right, like, do you want to do you want a red shirt? Do you like want to try to come back? Um initially I said like, all right, I want a red shirt, you know, but like if we can if rehab goes like super, super well, and like I can get back by the start of the season, like I want to do it. Like I want to graduate with the guys that I came in with. Um, but then six was it six weeks or eight weeks now. I can never remember. It was eight weeks post-op um of the first the first surgery. I actually ended up having another surgery. I fell down the steps, retore my labrum, then tore my rotator cuff and my bicep tendon.

SPEAKER_01 16:46

All on the left shoulder?

SPEAKER_00 16:47

All on the left shoulder. Yeah. I just got out of my yeah, just got out of my sling. It was it was devastating, you know? Um, and so that was a huge uphill battle. And then I mean my last year, I didn't even get to finish out my C year. I tore my ACL, my MCL, both my meniscus, and my hamstring all in one play.

SPEAKER_02 17:06

God dang, bro. Yeah, that's that's yeah, dude. That's worst case scenario. Were you were you at the time like in conversations with pro scouts? Was there a chat? Was there a chance of you getting drafted? Because at this point, I don't even have to ask. Like you didn't get drafted. Then if you were gonna get drafted, I don't think I was gonna get drafted.

SPEAKER_00 17:24

I had I think I had a chance like for like if it was a tryout. I was definitely on the route to go play independent ball. Um maybe get signed after the get signed after that. But it was like as soon as soon as I had the knee surgery, like I called it, I called it quits, you know. I was like, I've had three surgeries in less than two years, you know. Like I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna push my I think my body just got to like this point where it just honestly like broke down, you know. Yeah, and it's something like my dad and I talked about like all the time. Because like even the year before my the whole shoulder shoulder surgery, I was playing in Summer Bowl. Like, where do you guys go ball? Uh Kerrick and League. Um in Maryland. And so, but like that year it was like Hunter Renfro, like sky, sky bolt, like obviously guys that played in the show were some dudes, but like really hurt, like tore up my knee, like trying to go make like this sliding catch, like get this hole in my knee, have like 10 stitches, and yeah. So I think it was just like at my body got to this point where it was just like, you know what, it's just breaking down, you know.

SPEAKER_02 18:27

Yeah, yeah, no, definitely, definitely. And so, what does that do to you like uh mentally, man? I I you know I deal with we we both deal with a bunch of kids, and unfortunately, some of these kids are going through, you know, big long surgeries, ACLs, Tommy Johns, whatever. You know, you've had surgeries, I've had Tommy John surgery. We both have sat in months and months of just like waiting um and trying to figure out like, am I gonna be even close to the player that I was prior? Um, and all of the negative talk and self-doubt that comes into your mind. So, like talk us through like the initial good, bad, and ugly. Like, where did it where did you go mentally and how are you able to overcome all that stuff?

SPEAKER_00 19:04

Yeah, for sure. And I think like going to the shoulder surgery first. Um, I think it was like a huge eye-opener, you know, just like how quickly like everything like can change, you know. It's like you're you're out playing one day, like totally healthy, and then next thing you know, like you're getting getting cut open, and now you're gonna be out for a little bit. Um, so I think it is like in a good way, like a good reality check of just like how seriously you're taking the your game and like your preparation and and all that. Um, and so like there's a part of me like where it's like, all right, I had this injury, I can come back even stronger than I was before, you know? Like I don't have to like like when it came like to the weight room stuff, you know, it's like or even like practices, like grinding like every single day, which you know about it was like one of those things, like I could prepare my body like in a like almost like in a gradual manner to feel like as fresh as possible. And so I think I definitely had that mindset where it was kind of like this like fresh restart. Um, but then I would say like the negative, like on the negative side, it's like, all right, how can this like how could this happen now? Sort of thing. I think that's where everybody like wants to go, where it's like it always feels like the the surgeries happen or like the freak injuries happen like at like the peak times, like where you're playing like super well or something like that, or like you have a bunch of stuff like out in front of you. Um for me.

SPEAKER_01 20:28

Even when you're on the slump, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:31

And so it's like the way to like to look at it, it's like you know, like this is almost out of my control. Um, it's something that I talk about like with a couple of the kids I do mental training with. It's that we have things that we can't control versus a lot of things that we can't control. There's only honestly like three things that we can't control. It's our attitude, it's our effort, and it's how I just show up pretty much daily. Everything else, yeah, it's out of my control. So it's like if I get hurt, like probably 95% of the time, like it was out of your control, you know, and it's like when you can take that and and realize that, I think it allows you to have like this positive outlook moving moving forward. Um, but at then I think like for like the ACL surgery, it was like a huge eye opener, you know, because it was end of senior year. It's like, all right, what am I supposed to do now? Like this game that I've known since I've been six years old is like just taken from you, like in the step of the finger. Um and I think it's again, it's like one of those ironic things. Like you look at it and you're like, it's uh it's a huge blessing at the same time because you're like, I wrapped my whole identity up, like in this, of course, like this beautiful game, but there's so much more outside of this game as well. It's so it gets you asking those questions of like, all right, like what do I actually like to do? You know, yeah, like who, like, who am I?

SPEAKER_02 21:55

Uh who are you outside of baseball, dude? Yeah, it's a tough question to answer.

SPEAKER_00 22:00

Yeah, like who are my actual friends? Like, of course, like you have your teammates that you love, but it's like, all right, like who else would I actually be friends with? You know, like am I going to vacation?

SPEAKER_02 22:10

Like, more like what type of person? Like, if if I have somebody who doesn't play baseball, because again, once you're in college and once you're playing at a high level, like 95% of your friends are just your teammates because you just see them every day and you don't have time to really see anybody else. And so it's like, if if they don't play baseball, what qualities in this person that's on my team do I like, other than like I just see them all the time?

SPEAKER_00 22:33

Oh, exactly. And so yeah, I think it it's like one of those things where there's just just so much irony, I think, in in all the injuries. And so, yeah, just to know, like it's not the end, honestly. Like, there's uh always a brighter day, and it's all gonna work out um if you obviously have the the right mindset.

SPEAKER_02 22:51

Um yeah, and obviously it's starting to work out for you, dude. Like things are you know, you're you're you're growing on social media, I'm sure your business is doing well, and um, you know, you're you're you're young and you're gonna be around the game for a long period of time. So uh things seem to be going in the right direction, which kind of takes me to my next thing. Like, so once you got done, right, and you chalked it up and you're like, all right, this is it, you graduated, I'm sure. Um, how do you decide what's next? Was it always like I'm gonna go coach if things don't work out for me, or was this just like something that kind of fell into your lap, or how did how did that work?

SPEAKER_00 23:23

Yeah, um, thankfully for my my college coach, um he we had a conversation probably I think it was like two, I can't remember if it was post-surgery or pre-surgery at this time. It was 10 years ago. Um, but we had a conversation and he goes, Troy, he's like, obviously you you have to be down here for your rehab for your knee. Like, do you wanna excuse me, be a grad assistant coach um for me? And I was like, he's like, well, you'll have to get on a central North Carolina Central, yeah. And he's like, um, obviously you're gonna have to get your master's and and all that. And so it was like one of those things where it's kind of like a no-brainer. I'm like, all right, I'm just not gonna go to physical therapy every single day and just like not do anything and just like sit on my butt.

SPEAKER_01 24:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:08

And so it's like, all right, let's get my master's. Let's still stick around the game of baseball and and see what see what can happen. But also like kudos to my dad. I remember this this was around like my sophomore year. Um, and I didn't know it at the time, but him, my college coach, had a conversation about um about me like potentially like him saying like you'd be like you'd be a good coach um after he's done playing. And so they had that conversation, then that seed was finally planted, and my was done. And so yeah, I got to coach two years as a grad assistant at North Canada Central, and then like as a in graduate school, we had to either do an internship uh thesis or a project. And I did an internship like mixed with the project, and so I got to intern at USA baseball. And so like that's where like my eyes were like really open to like this other side of the game that I had no idea about uh like about like what it what it means to actually scout and evaluate uh a player, um what it takes to to make a let's say for team USA a 20-man roster, you know, which for like a big league roster would be like 25 people, um, because that's how they run the organization. Oh yeah, you're right, it is 26. You are you are correct. Um and so I think that's where like my eyes just started, they started becoming open of like, all right, like what do I want to do? Um and so at the time, like once I once I graduated with my master's, I was like, you know what? Um and I got like this little taste at USA baseball. I was like, I want to become a GM. Like this team, like just to me, I look at it like as a big puzzle, honestly. Um, and I was like, you know what? Like this is like what I want to do. And ended up working with the Giants for for two years in their front office, um, which was a great experience and just gave me even more exposure of like the day to day of what it takes to run a major league team.

SPEAKER_02 26:00

From what was your what was your day there? What was your uh job title there?

SPEAKER_00 26:03

Um, I was the diversity fellowship uh fellow. And so MLB baseball, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:09

What you get hooked up with like Tyrone Brooks.

SPEAKER_00 26:11

I know he's 20 it was 2018 when they first um they did their initial uh MLB diversity fellowship program. Um it was like 1100 candidates, and only 20 but 25 of us got picked um to like by team though. Um it wasn't Major League Baseball that picked it. And so got to work with the Giants for two years. I did a lot of stuff on the international scouting side, um, but also the amateur side as well, with a little bit, with a little bit of pro, um, like more like the pro operation side. And so it was um it was phenomenal, you know. And then and then COVID happened, and that that's where things started changing a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 26:51

That's where my that's where my career took a left turn when COVID happened. I was down in Mexico, supposed to have this great season, man. I was getting paid. I was about to, it was looking like I was gonna be the closer for this uh Monterey Sultanes. Um and then COVID happened, they sent us all home. I left all of my stuff in Mexico because they were like, hey bro, you're gonna go home for like a week, but don't worry, you're gonna come right back. Like, just leave your stuff here. All of my stuff is down there. My custom gloves, my cleats. Oh, I never even got it shipped back, man. Anyways, but uh yeah, COVID changed a lot, man. Cut of teams, cut of players. MLB got hit hard too. All right, minor league baseball got hit hard.

SPEAKER_00 27:32

Everybody did, yeah. And so um, yeah, that after after COVID happened, I just honestly got to that point where again I've been playing baseball since I've been six years old, played all way, obviously through college, started coaching right away um at North Carolina Central, and I coached at George Washington for a year.

SPEAKER_02 27:51

I was about to say, yeah, I thought there was a George Washington pit stop along the way. That was between North Carolina Central and Team USA, or both was happening at the same time?

SPEAKER_00 27:59

Uh the Giants. So I was at North Carolina Central at and Team USA at the same time. Okay. And then after USX, my internship was only eight months, took a job uh at George Washington because Greg Ritchie, the coach over there, was the hitting coach with the AT National team who I was with. And it was kind of like going back home to go work for him. But then, like in the middle of that year, that's when MLB announced that they were doing this diversity fellowship program. I had um previous like conversations with Tyrone. He kept telling me to apply to apply. I kept telling him no, actually. And I didn't apply to the last day.

SPEAKER_02 28:36

Um, and so yeah, school students uh sitting back into you rather than being that procrastination there.

SPEAKER_00 28:46

Yeah, and so like once COVID happened, it was like one of those I I got back in this place again and just like thinking, like, I what do I want to do? What do I actually like? You know, because all I've known is baseball at this point. Um I think I was 20, 26 or 27. And it was just when it was finally like, I just need to like I need to step away from from baseball. I didn't like totally step away, like we're still doing like travel ball stuff, but like when it came to just uh best way I can put it is like high intense like baseball. So if it's professional college, like whatever it is, like I'm just like you know what, I'm gonna push this away for a little bit. And I I was out of it for two, what, two years until I worked, uh till I got back with the Orioles. Um, and so yeah, it was uh it was a good, good but needed break for sure.

SPEAKER_02 29:35

Definitely, man. No, that's that's crazy that you say that because I took a break right around that time there, too, right after the Sultanes. I felt like baseball had chewed me up and spit me out. I spent all this time, and then like, you know, you definitely get rewarded, but like financially, it was like, dude, I I got nothing from this game. Like, I went into debt trying to play this game basically, and uh, I was like, I gotta get away from this. And uh I ended up going into the corporate world, worked uh you know, jobs for about three-ish years, and then uh got back into baseball, and I was like, all right, I'm ready again. Like I got that itch, got that love for it, but I just couldn't be, you know, with it for that long. Um yeah, it's interesting. So um, so so you you talked about like how to evaluate players. You learned that through the uh uh Giants organization. Go deeper on that. Like, what did you learn? How are you evaluating players and more specifically, how are you evaluating like infielders?

SPEAKER_00 30:32

Yeah, I think um I think the thing for me that really taught me how to evaluate players. Um I did a lot of it on video, believe it or not, with the Giants. Of course, um 2026, 2028. I think learning to evaluate players on video teaches you even more to look at things that are projectable, you know. So it's like I can go out and see if I can see any. Let's take um let's take a good name right now. Um, let's take Aiden Ruiz that's in New York. He's New York's uh number one high school shortstop right now.

SPEAKER_02 31:11

Oh, follow followed behind by my boy Brady Palmer. Shout out Brady Palmer going to George Washington. 2027, class 2027, number two shortstop out there.

SPEAKER_00 31:22

And so it's like if you go out to go watch him, it's like, all right, I can already look at him and tell he's gonna be a he's division one, he's an MLB prospect sort of sort of kid. Um but the thing that I learned at the Giants was like, all right, you have to watch even like more details if if that makes sense. Like, does the body actually move in in sync with with each other? Let's take feeling, for example. Like, is the glove is the glove matching the body speed? You know, is his arm action matching his his body speed? Um does he actually have foot speed at all, or does it look like he's stuck in in mud, or does it look like he's stuck on dirt? Um, and so it's like those things that I definitely learned from like a very I don't want to say like a small, like small sample size, but like a yeah, I can almost say like a small sample size where it's like these are like the things that I can look at on a video and right away and just see if a player is a good infielder or not. Like, is he is he moving quick? Does he have rhythm? Does he have timing? Um and it's like all right, if he doesn't have these things, he's probably like let's say from the professional level, he's not gonna be able to play at the highest level. Um because it's one of those things where, and this is like my firm belief, like in evaluation, and especially with infielders, it's really hard to teach rhythm and timing. Like there gets to a certain point in a certain age where it's like either the guy has it or he doesn't, because he's gonna go play the outfield. That's probably like my thing is usually like around like your fresh and sophomore year, you know? Yeah, like it's very hard to develop rhythm and timing by by that point as an infielder. Um, but I think the other the other thing that was very hard to to tell was like all right, how much arm strength does this guy have? Like on watching, on watching video, you know? It's like we can go out there and see if a guy has a a 70 arm, you know, like we have just a straight bazooka. But it's like, can you actually tell that on video? And in a way you can, you know, it's like you watch how quickly is the arm moving, you know? Like, is it this long swing or is that is that arm getting, is it moving through through his arm action very quickly? Um, and so for me it it taught me a lot, like just going out and like seeing players and made it a lot easier where it's like, all right, I have sample size A here of a player who might be a fringe player and might not be able to cut out and become a draft pick, and like this is what a draft pick looks like. And so for me, it's just become like very easy to to project. Of course, we're all gonna get things wrong, but to almost like project to see, like, all right, where's this kid going to be able to play? And like I take that into like my in-field development now, you know, where it's like, all right, am I going to have this expectation that this kid is going to be a division one player, or am I gonna still train this kid to his best ability, but know that he might fall more in the lines of like D2, D3, which there's nothing wrong with, but there's certain things that you're gonna do with a division one player that you're not gonna do necessarily for me with a division two, division three player, if if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 34:44

Yeah, definitely, definitely. So, my question is, and um it might be hard to answer because again, maybe you don't train kids at this level. I think you have a couple kids yourself too, right? That you're probably training in some capacity, right? You're not probably training them to be division one MLB shortstops right now, but you're training overall athleticism, right? Yeah. By the time you and I get our hands on a player, you know, typically they're in middle school, right? They're probably in high school, starting to get around there. Like you said, there's not much you can do with that rhythm and timing piece and that overall athleticism. Now you can tweak the footwork and like you can speed some things up a little bit, but overall, like they're almost built with their you know, God-given athleticism at that point, right? There's nothing more that I can do that's gonna help you be more athletic. Uh wouldn't say that, but you get what I'm saying. Oh, so for so for a parent out there, right, when when the development really matters is like when they're you know five, six, seven, eight, nine, they're really starting to coordinate themselves. Like what, in your opinion, like what what are some things that some kids can be doing to like help promote that?

SPEAKER_00 35:54

I think one, I think my I see it on on your videos, please jump rope. I think that's the easiest way to do that.

SPEAKER_02 36:01

Dude, I just started seeing that from the freaking rooftop, dude.

SPEAKER_00 36:05

It's the easiest it's the easiest, I think, for any young kid, especially like in elementary school, it's the easiest way to get rhythm and timing because your like when I say your body isn't moving, your body isn't moving laterally or forward and backwards.

SPEAKER_02 36:20

Um jump rope laterally and start incorporating all of that running and jump roping, jump and roping.

SPEAKER_00 36:27

And so but I think you're you're teaching the and I'm no expert on body movement whatsoever, but you're teaching your body like all right, this is what rhythm and timing feels like. It's like I jump rope if I need to speed it up. And honestly, even another thing, it sounds so so out of left field, but I really do think the thing that helped me was my dad taught me what rhythm is at a young age. He he would sit me down and be like, You're gonna follow my clap. He'd be like, and I would have to like give it back to him. Or like we'd listen to music and he'd be like, All right, you need to clap on a beat, or clap like every fourth beat, for example. And I'm again, like I don't know like what it does, but it does something like in the brain where it's like, all right, this is what this is what like rhythm is. And so it's like when you go see a baseball, and then the coach is telling you, all right, you need to go go field this baseball, you're just not gonna run like straight at it, you know. Like you're gonna you're gonna have like a little bit of momentum and timing to go get it. And so I would say jump rope, I would say learn like what actual rhythm is. Um, I would say even like small things, like also I'm thinking of like just elementary things like hopscotch, for example. Um, just learning to to move forward and and backwards, doing like simple like cone drills where you don't need to be doing like uh going 25 yards this way, then like 20 yards that way. It's just being able to do like simple small movements like that. And so yeah, I think I think I started doing like agility, like speed and agility when I was in middle school, like around like 11-12. And I think that's a like the perfect time to get kids in. Um and I think that is like one of the ways like high schoolers, for example, can improve their their rhythm and time like with infield. But like again, like I'm no speed coach. And so it's like, all right, at what point, like how long is it going to take for this kid to be able to become the most athletic? Um, like how can we get all his athleticism out? That makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 38:36

Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah, we're not speed coaches, we're not agility coaches, but I'll be honest, I find myself teaching a lot of agility, and I find myself studying more agility nowadays than before, right? I can teach glove work, I can teach presentation, quick transfers, all that stuff. But like if the body isn't moving the way that it needs to move, and if you're not able to laterally shuffle or run sideways or get those feet timed up, like nothing that I show you is gonna help. So like now we have to go to the beginning, which is why I have kids jump and rope, which is why I'm like really trying to study and figure out like ladder and cone drills so I can see how I can progress a kid from like, okay, he's like, he's like almost there. He's like, there's definitely something when your eye looks at it, it's like it's not timed up. There's not, you know, this ability to be a D1 athlete. I've seen my D1 athletes like this kid has and should have that ability, but he doesn't for whatever reason. And I think it's coming from uh lack of like agility and stuff. So, like, how do I progress that? So that's where I find myself uh uh watching a lot of videos, reading a lot of stuff. I'm actually studying, uh I was studying, I'm still reading a lot of like CSCS, so like my certified training and conditioning license, and like just learning about the body and like how progression and skill progression and all that stuff works. But uh, yeah, it's so interesting, man. It's so interesting. And in field, and then you talk about it too. Like, you're talking about simple stuff, right? Hopscotch, jump and rope, like cone drills. Like for me, I don't think it needs to progress past that half the time. Like, you can take that, run it with a high school kid, college kid, and like still just do the basics. Like uh uh building, I think, is just so basic. Like the stuff that's on the internet now, like again, there's some good stuff in there. Like, you're there, you know, you take a high-level kid who needs to be like mentally stimulated and he's crushing the basics, and you got to make up like the randomest drill possible, right? I get it, I get it. But like the basics of just moving, like you said, jumping and and skipping and things like that, like that can't be overdone. You just can't overdo it.

SPEAKER_00 40:36

Yeah, and like that's where like this is just like my opinion. This is where I think we have to be able, especially as infield coaches, like separate the two, right? You have uh agility and speed, right? And then you have uh your infield work, it's like right. It's like we can't become uh like so in love with both of them that we're combining both. Like that's where I like from my opinion, like that's what I start to see like on the internet. And it's like, no, we have to be able to separate it, right? Because the the foot patterns that you might be teaching in agility aren't gonna necessarily be the same foot patterns that you're teaching in in infield play now, right? Because like whatever you do fielding-wise, I believe, and like actually presenting and fielding in glove, that's what you're gonna end up seeing in in a game. And so it's like we can train the agility, we can train the speed and the footwork and all that, but let's not incorporate both in together if it's not gonna be like the same footwork patterns that that you see in the game. And so like that's where I start going back and forth with uh with some people sometimes.

SPEAKER_02 41:43

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:44

I know I can ruffle some feathers.

SPEAKER_02 41:45

Yeah, no, no, no, that's not a place. This isn't the place for that. But yeah, I see how I have my lessons and and and uh clinic structured is like I'll I'll spend time to just focus on like agility. Like if we're doing agility, that's all we're doing, right? I'm not mixing ladders with fielding, I'm not mixing uh uh you know anything like that with fielding. It's just like this is what we're doing. I want to see the feet move as fast as possible. That's the sole goal. The only way that I incorporate baseball is like I put a glove on their hand. I'm like, I just want you to do this with your glove too, because I want you to just have feeling of the glove. But yeah, yeah, the the the stuff with agility going in, it's it's like again, like if you're gonna train strength, right? You're not gonna train strength on the baseball field, you're gonna go into the weight room. Like you're not gonna try to, you know, do so it's so it is separating the two. So I I I hear you from that point. So um, and then I think for me, just to add on to my own question, is like uh if you're a parent out there with kids, um just throwing balls at them. Like I know it sounds so simple, but just throw a bunch of balls at your kids, man. Like tennis balls, the crossballs. I I remember growing up, I've I just started incorporating the reaction ball again back into my training because I remember like, man, I just had a wall.

SPEAKER_00 42:54

Do they still sell them?

SPEAKER_02 42:55

Yeah, man. I bought like six of them for six bucks on Amazon. They're great, man. Like just the reaction ball. I used to throw a reaction ball, like I used to throw a ball on top of the roof, and like I would just like have to listen for where it was, and then like I'd see it out of my corner of the eye and have to go catch it, stuff like that. Like just throwing catching footballs. Um, I'm surprised like when I put another ball into a kid's hand and I'm like, yeah, let's play some catch with this football or something. Like they can't throw it, they don't know how to catch, and it's like, oh, like this is a part of the overall athleticism. Like, I know I'm not asking you to play football, but like you know, the most athletic people I know can bowl, play tennis, swing a golf, do it, you know, catch a football, throw a spiral, all of it.

SPEAKER_00 43:35

Oh yeah, it's just uh yeah, it's being able to learn how how the body moves, you know. I just don't it I don't know, maybe in other sports, again, this should just might be my opinion. It's like I think all the superior athletes do it super well. Um but it's like all right, how do we get more of our average athletes now to be able to be just not saying above average athletes, but how How do we just get them to be a tick above average where they can do any movement that they should be able to do at that moment?

SPEAKER_02 44:08

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely, definitely. Um, so with a little bit of time that we have left, uh I want to talk about recruiting, man. You've been in the recruiting space, you recruit for Team USA, you recruit it at the Division I level as well. A lot of people who listen to this are you know parents. They're not necessarily kids. Kids aren't into the podcast yet. If you are a kid listening to this, I appreciate you. You're well on your way. Uh, but this is for parents here. How how can they help their kid? What are some things that they need to be doing? When when is a kid ready? All of those things. Just give us your overview of recruiting and then we'll dive a little bit deeper here.

SPEAKER_00 44:42

Yeah, I think um, I think one, it's like, all right, let's be honest with um what your kid's ability is. Like, can a kid become a lot better from his freshman year to his junior year? Junior year? Yes, absolutely, he can. Um, but let's start having an honest conversation right at the end. This is this is again my opinion, the end of your freshman year, or like going into like your your freshman high school season, um, and start discovering like some sort of roadmap of like, all right, is my kid gonna be a division one player? Is he gonna be division two, division three, NAIA JUCO? Like, let's start getting a gauge of like what his ability actually is. And I think also like having that conversation, like you might have to bring, I'm not saying you hire an advisor, I'm not saying that, but you need to like find a valuable ear or a valuable eye for your son to be able to be like, all right, this is where I see your son playing in by the time that he's a senior, you know. Like, does he have room to to grow? Yeah, he might have. Um, but like let's have an honest conversation of where he is, like that freshman year, so you can start going along the path of like, all right, do we really need to focus on summer ball after our freshman year if I'm not a division one player? The answer is no. Like, let's let's just be honest. But let's say you are a division two, like let's say you're projected to play division two baseball by the end of your freshman year. Instead of playing summer ball that year, like why don't you spend some more time in the weight room? Why don't you spend more time fielding? Why don't you spend more time hitting? You maybe play two to three tournaments, right? Um, but then it's like you got bigger, faster, stronger, you um your bat, you can swing it better, you can pig it better, all these things. It's like, all right, by the time like your sophomore year ends or going into your junior now, junior year now, you might be a division one player, you know? Yeah, and so I think it's it really starts there of having like those honest conversations. Um, but then it's like all right, sophomore year, going into that, going I think it's the biggest summer year for everyone, um especially if you're gonna be a division one player. It's like all right, do I am I starting to gain a name for myself? Like, I'm not saying like big big highlights, like you gotta be like all state and all these things. Um, but as a sophomore, how are your stats? Did you hit above let's call I don't know the average high school like stats nowadays? But it's like, all right, did I at least hit above 350? You know, did I start every single game? Yeah, was I a uh was I a starting pitcher or was I just it's a key piece of the team, yeah. Exactly. And so I think it it's just honestly it's about being realistic, I think, with with the skill set. Um but then it's also being able to use like things like social media now, um, which is which is huge. Um and I know most parents probably aren't gonna like it. This is just me. I know I just talked about it earlier. Um but I think just the way college baseball um is and where it's going, you can't do it alone. Um, so you either need a really good high school coach that's gonna be your advocate, um, a really good trainer that's gonna be your advocate. And if like you don't have those first two things, you're probably gonna have to get an advisor. And it might, and I'm not saying you have to go sign with this big this big agency because I know there's there's your small mom and pop agencies out there, there's ex-college coaches that do it. Yeah, yeah. Um, and so it's like, all right, if we know we can't get there on our own, let's sit down and try to find somebody and hire somebody that can help us get to where we know that we can. Because it's like if I hire an advisor, right, that can end up saving me thousands of dollars because he can get me a scholarship to a grade school, um, he can get me the education that I need. Like, isn't that let's say if it was like $4,500 for this recruiting service, right? And so you pay $4,500 now. Um, and then your kids end up getting like a 50% athletic scholarship and then 50% academic scholarship. Are you gonna look at that $4,500 as a good investment? I probably guarantee you will, you know. And then say you just try to do things on your own, and then you just get like a walk-on scholarship somewhere, but then you end up paying $25,000 or you're taking out student loans. And so, yeah, I can think about this all the time. Yeah, I don't even know how much college is.

SPEAKER_02 49:31

$40, $50, 60.

SPEAKER_00 49:32

Yeah, I don't even know how much college is nowadays. That's why I'm like good reward. Um, but yeah, I think that's the thing. It's like having real realistic expectations and standards of like just like where your player is now, like constantly, constantly having that.

SPEAKER_02 49:48

Yeah, I think um I think a lot of parents understand what they should do when it comes to like player development. I just think that they're scared and pressured into the norm. And I'll say it about some, it's it's about mainly summer baseball, right? Like I think people are trying to figure out what value summer baseball actually brings to their kid. Um, when your kid is ready to be seen, summer baseball is great, right? Like it's it is fantastic, and like it is, you know, you go to a PBR showcase uh and then you make it to the futures game, and there's you know, hundreds and hundreds of scouts there. That's valuable, right? But like the tournaments leading up to it, right? Eighth grade year, ninth grade year, even some kids in 10th grade, if you're not a Division I player yet or you're not ready to team, like taking that chance, and I wouldn't even say it's a chance, like taking that opportunity to not play, develop saying, like, you know what, I'm not gonna chase tournaments all around the country and I'm gonna chase, you know, uh getting bigger, faster, stronger, like you mentioned, and like this will pay dividends in the future. I think they understand that, but I just think that they're worried about missing out and their kids maybe are pressuring the parents, right? And the parents are trying to do what's best for the kid, and the kids are super upset because they're not playing with their friends. Like, what would you tell a parent? Like, how do you how what would you tell a parent to really push them over the line on like, okay, summer ball is is important when the time comes, but like it's not everything for your kid, especially, especially, I'll do you one. You've probably talked to many of parents and players, especially for a kid who doesn't go to a school that is like well known, right? Like, and like nobody's coming to watch their games either. I think you can see that.

SPEAKER_00 51:32

Yeah, that's I mean, I think that's definitely part of it. And I think it's again, it's like, yes, you want to be realistic, um, like when it comes to like expectations. Um, but I think as well, it's just like you have to like it's not like convincing them to be like, all right, don't go play summer ball this year. Um, but it's like, all right, I want you now to be put in your son's shoes. Like, don't think about this from your perspective as a parent anymore. Because I think as a as a parent, they put more of like that FOMO, like that fear of missing out, on their sons, where their sons might know and like want to just develop, you know? And so it's like, if I can be if I can place myself in my son's shoes, what is the best thing for him right now? Is it for him to spend time in the weight room getting stronger, spending time like in the cage, fielding, or is it traveling around the country trying to impress, not even impress, like try to get on these scouts radars that aren't don't even know you yet because you don't have a name. I think that's the the other thing. And so yeah, I think it's for parents to be able to put themselves like in their son's shoes and like almost it's like in a way like they're almost removing themselves from the situation and asking their like their sons, like, what do you like, what do you want to do?

SPEAKER_02 53:01

Um I think that like if I can go back to interrupt you, but even then like the kid is gonna say I want to play baseball, but it's like that's not what's better. But then you ask them where do you want to go, and they want to go to college and play at a big school. But it's like you're making you're making the wrong decision, and again, you can't save everybody, but you know, uh I'm just trying to help these these people understand like there's another way to do it.

SPEAKER_00 53:25

Yeah, it is so tough. Yeah, yeah, we just created a bad culture in in baseball, you know. What do you mean? Uh like I say like a bad culture, like this expectation that you have to play summer baseball baseball. Yeah, because I think we we see summer as like the time, quote unquote, for baseball.

SPEAKER_02 53:46

It was like that when when I was coming up, dude, like 10 years ago. Like nobody was taking the summers off to develop. Like I feel like you know, like you were playing every summer, you were playing all fall, especially in Texas. Like, you didn't want to miss stuff, right? Because you just saw the other players and it was just like, well, this player got seen playing for this organization. Like, I want to get seen, I gotta go play here. But those players were also like above and beyond their skill level. Maybe they developed quicker, bigger, faster, stronger, whatever it may be. But like, yeah, you just didn't hear about you know, a kid taking the entire summer off and like just training.

SPEAKER_00 54:19

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, I just think we can do such a better job at it, you know. And I think that's like the bad part about social media. I think social media doesn't help in in that regard. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:31

And nothing against summer ball. Again, like this isn't a trash summer ball. Like, I summer ball is very, very important. It plays a time, it plays, it has a place, like it is necessary for a lot of people. It's just necessary at the right time, right? The right time for everything. So, all right. Well, we're about here on our time here, man. You've you've dropped a lot of knowledge to a lot of people. I'm excited to get to the editing and and push some of this information out. But uh, you know, talk to your younger self, talk to to 16-year-old Troy, 15-year-old Troy, and and give them some words of advice.

SPEAKER_00 55:02

Yeah, I think uh B1, take your academics more seriously. Um because you don't know what opportunities those could lead to. Um and then I think the other thing, everything's gonna it's gonna work out the way the way it does, as long as you give your energy, effort, good attitude every single day. Um and then take advantage of it because you really you never know when that game can be taken from you. So um this game can take you a lot of places, but it can't be taken away in a snap of a finger. So take advantage of it.

SPEAKER_02 55:37

Yes, sir, man. I appreciate it, man. Where can people follow you? How do they get in contact with you?

SPEAKER_00 55:41

Uh coach on Instagram at coach at coach underscore Troy Zero6. Um and then what is my oh TikTok uh at Infield Guru. I haven't posted on there in a while. And Twitter, I'm not on Twitter.

SPEAKER_02 55:56

It's hard to keep up with all of these, it's with all of them, man. It really is. It really is. To anybody out there that wants to be a uh uh baseball coach full time and like run a social media and have a business and grow all of that stuff, man. Keeping track of all of these different platforms is ridiculous. But I'll put your information wherever you're listening to this. If it's on Apple, Spotify, it'll be underneath YouTube, wherever it is. Um, reach out to Coach Troy, he's all over the place. He's in um where you at now? What's home base? Atlanta, right?

SPEAKER_00 56:23

Boca Reton, uh Boca Retone.

SPEAKER_02 56:26

Yeah, and let's go, let's go, dude. All right, so if you're in Florida, then you travel, you do clinics across the country or yeah, do do something in California.

SPEAKER_00 56:33

Do some um going back to hometown in Maryland to do one and looking to expand.

SPEAKER_02 56:40

Gotta get something going on up here.

SPEAKER_00 56:42

Absolutely, bro.

SPEAKER_02 56:43

Let's go. All right, well, man, I appreciate it. If you ever need anything, you let me know. Enjoy your time uh today. And again, thank you so much for all y'all listening. I appreciate you listening to the end. Means more than you know.

SPEAKER_00 56:54

Appreciate you, man.