Kama Sutra : Principles

 Jen and Dagda wrap up their Kama Sutra deep dive by exploring the four sutras (rules of philosophy): Dharma (code of conduct, societal rules, moral duties), Artha (wealth, career, financial security), Moksha (enlightenment, liberation, freedom from the cycle of death and rebirth), and Kama (desire, passion, pleasure, love without violating morality).

Dharma is the foundation—duties, rights, laws, conduct, virtue, and the right way of living. It's about playing your role in cosmic concert, where taking control of your diabetes on one side of the world could inspire someone on the other side (shoutout to India/Bangladesh listeners!). Jen emphasizes: if you want to be accepted, you have to accept others.

Artha is about earning your way—the Kama Sutra doesn't shame any job or class, but you must earn your wealth and stability. No NEPO babies! Parents shouldn't just give kids whatever they want; they should teach them to earn it. Jen and Dagda discuss why we have an entire generation in mental health crisis (lack of self-sufficiency).

Moksha is enlightenment and liberation—would Dagda want to be immortal? They discuss FOMO, Disney's vault strategy, the Watchmen movie (Rorschach), and reaching a point where other people's input is no longer relevant. Jen's grandmother Ruby reached enlightenment and was "done" within a day and a half.

Kama is desire, passion, pleasure, and love—the freedom to love who you love the way you love them, without violating moral responsibility, material prosperity, or your journey to spiritual liberation. It's about figuring out how to love yourself first.

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Transcript

Welcome

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Welcome to Everyday Life. This is our After Dark podcast. My name is Jen.

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And I'm Dagda.

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Here is your explicit content warning. The following episode includes adult language, content, and situations that is intended for entertainment purposes and mature audiences only. So sit back, relax, and take a listen. Ready for the journey, Dagda? Yep. All right, let's go. Yebee!

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Anyway.

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Sorry. I feel like I'm getting my second wind or something. I don't know. Well, I mean, finally, we have a breeze.

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Yeah.

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Which is lovely because it's not in your eyeballs drying them out. It's just nice, gentle across your shoulder, like, hello, friend. I'm here to cool your day. Because it's super ballsy hot lately. How are you doing today?

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I'm doing all right. How are you doing?

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I'm doing very good. I'm awake. That's this side of the dirt.

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So I'm awake. I'm awake.

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I'm awake. I'm alive. And I know what I feel inside. Speaking of that's actually lyrics from a song. A song's called I'm Awake. I'm alive. Or is it I'm Alive? Anyways, this is my band called Skillet. It's a religious band. And I actually caught a clip of their um ASL interpreter, their American Sign Language interpreter.

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Okay.

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And dude, she rocks harder than the lead guitarist and singer. She's just like banging out like nobody else is. So kudos to Skillet for having that available at their shows. It's amazing.

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I rock, I rocked harder than you when I was 12 years old. No, I think it was when I was four years old. Yeah.

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You just mean to me all the time.

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Cynipic Right Buttles quote.

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I know. I know. I know. You know, and I know I gotta do some more research on some uh like a do a season two research. I have to go through the seasons and do research for each one because like the history of things is very fascinating to us. And we talk about a lot of a lot of history things, but we also love a lot of pop culture, and I can see you're a little downtrodden lately, so I'll have to try some. I already have something I want to talk to you about for conversations because it blew my mind.

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Okay.

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That's a conversation for a different podcast. Yeah, but I will, I promise you, I will in the next few days try my best to do like a season two, and we'll do it. We'll go ding ding and see how many of them you can name on on off-key lyrics, on offside lyrics, like not the most famous epic rap battle lyrics like we did last time. Okay, yeah, we'll see. We'll see how good, because I know you're obsessed with them. We we we always want more from our favorite entertainers. We always want more. We're like the Rocky Horror Picture Show, more, more, more, and you know, more cowbell. Have you seen his new beer commercial? I've not seen no send her a drink. That's how you say hello. I mean, it's great. God bless Christopher Walken. You gotta love him. It's it's fantastic, anyways. So last we met, we were talking about the Kama Sutra. Yep. So we kind of went through like the courtship side of it and a little bit of that. We went through the intimate side of it and the adultery, like all that little bit intimacy. Intimacy, intimacy. So so I said when we left off, because we just simply ran out of time, that we'd start talking about the different uh sutras, right?

SPEAKER_01 3:29

Yeah. So what does the term sutra mean?

SPEAKER_00 3:35

The the sutras are their rules of philosophy. Okay. So they have different sutras that for different things. Like, so today I figured we could talk about the Dharma and the Artha. Because they're two different, kind of like their rules in in like Hindu philosophy, and it's just like these are your guides to live by. Again, the Kama Sutra is literally it transliter translate the literal translation is is for for you know uh the the the loop rules for man. Isn't that what were you asleep when I told you what it literally means? Yep, it's it's it's literally the objective oh no, that's that. So the principles of love, and it's primarily acknowledged Peru Shartha, and that's the e objectives of men. So it comes down to a system of living for the objectives of men. Yeah, okay, so dharma is your duties, rights, um, laws, conduct, virtue, like right of way living. Like they no matter how you live it, um, they they see it as this is the right way to live. It's the code of conduct. Yeah, exactly. Um, it includes your like religious duties, your moral rights and duties of each person, um, behaviors that enable social

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order, uh, the right conduct, and those that are virtuous. So it's it's it's like societal rules that's been equally agreed upon by the majority of. Yeah. You know, the majority is greater than the one. And and it's kind of interesting to me because that's their first thing they want you to understand is dharma. Dharma's the most important thing.

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Yeah, that makes sense.

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It it does because if everybody like if it's 80 20, then you're gonna keep most people happy. Yeah, and you know, and it's that you know, we've talked about it before, like only honest people are gonna be honest. So, you know, you can't make somebody do something they don't want to do it, but they're they try to do it with the dharma. It they try to do it in a way where it's like, look, we're giving you this guide. This is your objective, this is your goal, this is what you should seek to find better enlightenment, contentment, and you know, commonality with your fellow man. So it's really like it's really interesting because like it's the same as the Bible saying, do unto others.

SPEAKER_01 6:07

Yeah, it's a foundation.

SPEAKER_00 6:09

Yeah, it's like so. The biggest thing about dharma that they say about dharma, all existing beings must accept and respect to sustain harmony and order in the world, the pursuit and the execution of one's nature and true calling, thus playing one's role in cosmic concert.

SPEAKER_01 6:29

Yeah, that actually makes it make even more sense with their acceptance of people who aren't don't meet the standard sort of mold of people. So people who are trans and people who are heterosexual, yeah, it makes it make more sense that they're more accepting of that.

SPEAKER_00 6:49

Yeah, I mean, if you gotta think about it from that perspective, like if you want to be accepted, you have to accept. Yeah, you know, which is amazing.

SPEAKER_01 7:00

I mean, although there is there is value in being sort of this is the way things are supposed to be. Uh, because if you accept everything, then anything will be.

SPEAKER_00 7:14

And that's a that's a fine line you don't want to walk.

SPEAKER_01 7:16

Yeah. So I remember watching a video the other day, and it was one of those balloon pop dating shows. You've seen those?

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Like where they pop the balloon if they don't want to date them.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:29

And this dude was saying how he one of his biggest sort of lines is if the woman is in adult content, he doesn't want to date her. Um, and this one woman immediately popped her balloon when he said that. And when the host was asking her why, she was like, Well, I don't think that what you do for a living, um uh what was it? It was something along the lines of what you do for a living has nothing to do with you as a person. And I'm like, So selling crack is fucking acceptable to you. Being a fucking mob enforcer is acceptable to you? Literally, I could go around murdering people for a living, and you would say that has nothing to do with me as a person. Come on now.

SPEAKER_00 8:24

Like, sweetheart, there there's there's a reality to you know, we kind of do jobs for

Dharma

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we're kind of drawn to jobs for different reasons.

SPEAKER_01 8:32

I mean, a lot of times you just do a job because that's what was available to you at the time, or your because of your like your personality and your level of tolerance for whatever type of bullshit. Like, there's certain jobs I will not do because I will not tolerate the fucking stuff that goes on in order to do that job, right?

SPEAKER_00 8:53

Like, I always feel like I would love it if you were a co-manager with me, but I already know that one of the co-managers I currently work with, the first time that she pulled her shenanigans on you, that she's pulled on me, you would be the first person to call HR and say, listen here, I'm gonna knock this bitch out.

SPEAKER_02 9:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:15

And because the the problem is that I'm very PC with what I do because I walk that line where I go, you know, something needs to be said and something needs to be done, and I'm gonna do it in a fair way. Um, but you know, I literally told the co-manager this weekend I gave them three opportunities to do the right thing, and they didn't. And I said, that's cool. You do you, boo. I'm gonna go do what our boss has asked us to do. Do you know what this woman said to me? One part of it was, I get paid too much money to do that aspect of the job. And in the same breath, she said, she said, I get paid too much money to do that aspect of the job. Now, first of all, let me explain. I work for a charity. So um, there's no such thing as earning a ton of money unless you control the charity.

SPEAKER_02 10:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:09

Okay. Number one. And then she said, right behind that, and I don't make enough money to make anybody make me do it. And I said, fair, you can answer to the boss. I'm gonna go do what I know is the right thing. You would not have handled it the same way I did. No, you probably most likely would have been like, you know what? There's it, it was, it was the thing, and it was this particular manager has a problem with anybody holding authority over her. She has spent months now, because I've been there for three months. She has spent months now talking about what a piece of shit our boss is and how she needs to just fucking take her husband up on her offer to stay home and be a stay-at-home wife finally. She needs to go fucking retire because uh she can't keep the job flowing right. And it's just like, you know, so she gave a compliment to the boss the other day, and I busted out laughing. I was like, you never say these things about our boss. I'm like, where is this coming from? Oh, I've changed my mind. I've had a change of heart on in retrospect, and that's a big word for her. Retrospect. Uh and I'm just like, and I said to one of the other co-managers, because there's four of us, and I said, She never says that. And they were like, Oh, I know. And I was just like, why is she kissing ass? I don't know, she's probably trying to do her game again. I'm like, oh fucking great. But we're trying to figure out who it is now because you know, she almost caught me in it. And I'm just like, fuck off. Yeah. But I would love it if you were my co-manager, because I feel like we would be like Schwarzenegger and DeVito, and we would win. We'd be like twins. It's like looking in a mirror. The minute I sat down, I thought I was looking into a mirror. Oh, Julian. But, anyways, uh, so yeah, so Dharma is a very important thing, I think, especially when they're talking about these guidelines, these rules of philosophy for for people. And what's interesting about it is if you can sit there and say, I don't give a fuck if it's my brother, my mother, my sister, myself, whatever, da da da, we can live by these anarchist rules, then go go live that way. But don't I can't stand people who sit there and say it's not applicable to me. Yeah, you all need to follow the rules. This is exactly what I deal with every single time I have to work with this individual. You guys deal with the rules. I'm too old because she's like literally the oldest person in the building. Um, I'm too yeah, yeah.

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Okay.

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Almost she's almost 60.

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Okay.

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Yeah. Everybody else is like 55 and under. Really? I

Accepting to be accepted

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know, right? The look on your face, if only people could see it, like, yeah, really.

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Okay.

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Yeah, that's what I've been told.

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Okay.

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I think there's a one person who might be who might be older than that, but they're like, nah, nah, it's because he's an alcoholic. I'm like, oh, okay. So that explains a lot, right?

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Yeah.

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But uh, but it I think Dharma is such a good thing to have because even even if you're like, what is the societal rules? Even if you look at you're like, I'm comfortable with all these things, but these these one things. I can't, I just ugly, I can't understand these people who slaughter lambs for a living. I just can't, I can't watch it. Don't watch it, go away. Yeah, you know, um, but you know, but I cannot stand the people who go, Oh, all those rules are cool for you, but I get to live under different rules. I'm gonna live under different rules. I'm gonna have 92 wives and 403 children, and uh, you know, I think I'm gonna scratch it.

SPEAKER_01 13:53

And the government's gonna pay for all of it.

SPEAKER_00 13:55

Yeah, that's right. Hey, Waco, that's right. That you know, and it the hardest part about that is when you have an individual who lives that way, they bring innocent bystanders into it. Some of the adults are duped. I mean, again, we've said humans are inherently stupid. Yeah, I mean, we literally can, as children, can see mom or dad cooking on the stove. We can hear meat sizzling, we could smell it cooking, and we still want to touch that hot pan, that hot stove.

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Yeah.

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I mean, we are born inherently stupid. The only thing we know how to do is breathe. We can't even hold our head up.

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Yeah.

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We can't even do anything except for grunt and look around and shit. That's about it. We can suck and shit. That's about it. You know. So, anyways, uh Dharma. Dharma. It is a it's a good thing to have, but it's a it's a primary thing they teach.

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Yeah.

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Because for they really do firmly believe that you have got to get yourself in aligned with your community. Get yourself, understand your priorities, understand what you're doing, understand what is right, fair, and true to everybody, and and make sure you understand and adopt those practices. And you practice those practices. So it's yeah, it's it's it's really it, but I love how they say one that this thus one playing one's role in cosmic concert, because they truly do believe that every aspect of our entire universe, of our entire cosmic construct, plays together into one harmonious beat. And it's really kind of interesting to think that you uh taking control of your diabetes on this side of the world could inspire a listener to do something on the other side of the world.

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Yeah.

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Because I mean, India, Bangladesh is listening in. So yeah, thank you for the commasutra.

SPEAKER_01 15:46

Uh oh, yes.

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Well, what's here here's the really cool thing about the commissutra. So if you go to Wikipedia and you look it up, it's got 29 of the primary pictures that's in it. And it's kind of and it's really interesting because it some of the positions do not look pleasurable, and they're not meant to be like pleasurable, like, oh yeah. It's meant to create a no pun intended, deeper connection.

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Yeah.

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And that like intimacy is completely different than sex. I don't know how many times I've ever had to say that over the last umpteen billion years or however old I am. Intimate intimacy and sex are two different things. Intimacy is a trust, it is a earned trust. My inner circle is about as big as my butthole, it is super tight. I told you what happened the other night. It's super, it's super tight, and there's very few people that have been in it. Wow. You might like that analogy.

SPEAKER_01 16:52

Not interesting.

SPEAKER_00 16:55

Yeah, ladies, do not ask Dagda to put it in your behind during any kind of play because he's not touching the brown door. I think, I think your ex-girlfriend was a little sad you wouldn't thumb it up a little bit. Just saying. Anyways, uh so Dharma, big important thing. And then we've got Artha. So Dharma and Artha, they feel go hand in hand, and they're the most important ones to have. Artha is your means of life, your activities, and the resources that enables one to be in a state one wants to be in. It's uh it incorporates wealth, career, um, the ability to make a living, uh, financial security, and economic prosperity.

SPEAKER_03 17:35

Okay.

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It goes hand in hand. Those are the two most important to have harmony in your life.

SPEAKER_01 17:41

That makes a lot of sense.

SPEAKER_00 17:43

It does. And I love the fact that they're they don't shame any, basically, they don't shame any job. They don't shame any class, they don't shame any job, they don't make a big deal of any of it because they're just like basically, literally, you do you, boo. You do you, don't hurt anybody else. But if you want to be this guy getting the Gucci watch and driving the $200,000 Lambo, you have to earn it. They do not believe in parents automatically giving to their children. They believe that every person must earn their way. You must know how to earn your way, and you must do it for your own stability in your life, for your own stability in your relationships, for your own stability and respect for your community. So that's kind of that's pretty interesting to me because too many Nepo babies in the world, if you ask me. Anyway, it's the facts. Yeah, it's it's fac do you do you realize how many less problems we would have if parents who are like say workaholics and they're just like, oh yeah, get them the new Game Boy or what's wait, what's the new Steam Deck? There's there's the newest thing, I think.

SPEAKER_02 18:50

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 18:51

Or the the Nintendo thing. Whatever. If if we had taken the time to be like, I understand I'm working a lot, but I have these 10 projects you can do to earn the money for this, we it'd be a whole lot of different things going on in society versus just give the kid whatever they want, I gotta go back to work. Yeah, and that's exactly why we have an entire generation in mental health crisis right now, like a huge predomination of them.

SPEAKER_02 19:18

Yeah.

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And it and it's scary. If you can't learn how to be self-sufficient or find a way to live to where within your means, you got problems, Lucy.

SPEAKER_01 19:30

Yeah, you got some spaining to do.

SPEAKER_00 19:33

You got some splaining to do, but it wasn't my fault. Here it comes. Ooh, that wasn't that bad. But you got it in your own face, so thank god it wasn't mine. I had paper barrier up, no COVID, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 19:49

Any fucking way.

SPEAKER_00 19:50

Yeah, so so I love the fact that the Kama Sutra is this literally, it's this guide and says, Hey, I got this idea. You know, it's like, and I don't want to say it's like all these old people came together, like a group of Gen Xers, and said, excuse me, um, maybe you could do better by yourself. Maybe you could do better for you know your family. Maybe you could do a little bit better if you'd stop smoking the math and stop watching TikTok. I don't know. We are not a generation. It's the sad thing. We have created a generation of people that have created a generation of yeah, but we're also that generation that we changed a lot of things. Yeah, but a lot of people don't understand that again, we go through this rapid growth and decline. And you get, you know, you gotta okay, like look, y'all, we're trying to set precedents in life that's a little bit better for everybody, but you've got what's left of the silent generation, and the elder boomers going, wait a minute now, I don't like that. I've lived this way for 81 years, and I don't like that. That's literally what's going on. Yeah, one person's opinions influencing more people than it should.

SPEAKER_01 21:08

Yeah, that's TikTok too.

SPEAKER_00 21:11

I don't do the tiki talkie. We are not on the tiki talkie.

SPEAKER_01 21:15

Um social media.

SPEAKER_00 21:17

It can be. I mean, social media is, you know, there are some great things about social media. Like uh, you know, you get you can learn a lot of things, you can be educated, you can you can laugh, you can cry, you can discover, but you also can become um a sheep.

SPEAKER_01 21:35

And it's very easy to fucking uh what's it called? Um become an extremist because of social media.

SPEAKER_00 21:46

It and all it takes is one video that hits all the right points for you, and that's it. That's it.

SPEAKER_02 21:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:54

And and it's so crazy because um I recently had

The Cosmic Concert

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A conversation about a social media personality. And the problem I have with the personality is they kind of did two steps forward and one step back with how they were releasing information. And I'm like, you know. So now you got a state making a very specific law about them. And it's because they invaded people's privacy. Work and business is one thing, but going to somebody's private home, like not the actual person who owns the business, but going to an employee who had no idea what's going on. People are assuming, oh, you you work for Kmart. You know Kmart was going under. You knew this was happening. You knew this, and you screwed your customers that had layaways going on. You took the money and you ran. Not all employees are highly functional. What's going on in their businesses, you know? So I don't know. I just like the idea of where's where's the Dharma and the Arthur, huh? Where's that? So there's two more sutras, and Kama is one of them. Obviously, the book is named Kama Sutra. And the other one is called the Moksha. So let's talk about the Moksha for a minute.

SPEAKER_01 23:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 23:12

So the Moksha is the emancipation, liberation, or release, freedom, self-knowledge, self-realization. Um, some forms of school or Hinduism also included in the freedom of the cycle of death and rebirth.

SPEAKER_01 23:27

And so that's becoming enlightened.

SPEAKER_00 23:29

Yes. It's it's not worrying about these little things, it's moving beyond and becoming immortal. Yeah, no, I'm I go in back and forth in my mind whether I would want to even be immortal because I like the idea of going to sleep for five years at a time and seeing how things changed, but in the same sense, I also have uh FOMO. So yeah, and I don't know how many people actually have FOMO, like truly, I don't know how many people actually understand it.

SPEAKER_01 24:02

I think most people do have a form of it or obviously, because like it doesn't matter, FOMO can apply to anything, right? And so, like whatever the thing is that you're into, if it's presented in such a way that you either get it now or you don't get it, yeah, you're gonna have FOMO.

SPEAKER_00 24:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:27

Um, and a lot of um let's say advertising tricks are utilize and always have.

SPEAKER_00 24:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:37

Like Disney is a fucking big one that for generations would do this. They'd be like, oh, we're gonna open our vaults and re-release this fucking classic fucking movie, and you only get to buy it in this window, and then we're closing the vault again. So for many, many years, that's how Disney made their money was by re-releasing the same fucking movies over and over again.

SPEAKER_00 25:03

Oh god, yeah. I can't tell you how many production variations there are of Bambi or Snow White or Cinderelli or yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:10

And then now they can't really do that anymore because it's too available, but they got their own streaming service, which actually is better than the fucking FOMO shit that they used to do.

SPEAKER_00 25:24

Yeah. Um and the thing I like about the streaming service is it actually forces them to a degree, I'll put that caveat in there, to a degree to do new content.

SPEAKER_02 25:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:36

Because they they weren't putting enough Marvel stuff out fast enough, and so they lost a whole lot of subscribers. They don't a lot of people don't realize that not every Disney fan is a Marvel fan, and not every Marvel fan is a Disney fan. Yeah, but the two are linked, so yeah, you have to kind of like support each other. Me, I'm both. I like so I'm more of a Pixar fan than per se Disney.

SPEAKER_01 25:59

Also, Star

Artha

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Wars, same thing with Star Wars 2. They weren't fucking putting out enough and also enough good content, and that's the same with Marvel too. I'm a huge Marvel fan, but I would be the first to say that a bunch of those shows that they made were crap.

SPEAKER_00 26:14

Loki season one was really fantastic. Loki season two, I have not completed it. I haven't watched Daredevil either iteration of the series, not the original first three, and not what they're redoing. I I have not watched the original Punisher series, um, but I'm actually really excited for the new Punisher miniseries that's coming.

SPEAKER_01 26:35

Oh, fucking one of my friends said that they did get the dude back for from uh Luke Cage, the dude who played Luke Cage. Oh, yeah, is coming back. So I'm fucking stoked because that was the best show out of those, yeah. In my opinion, yeah, out of that set of um Marvel television series that Netflix had. That was the best one.

SPEAKER_00 26:56

That was your favorite, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:57

Yeah, and I mean he's not my favorite fucking character, by any way.

SPEAKER_00 27:00

No, but he's a good actor and he did it really well. It was weird. I mean, same thing with Jennifer Jones. Like the first four episodes were like, Whoa! Yeah, this is fucking awesome. And then it was nah. But this is we should not be a good one.

SPEAKER_01 27:11

That's a personal issue. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:13

That that is not even a personal issue. That's a conversations over coffee conversation.

SPEAKER_01 27:17

Yeah, that's not a that's the dharma.

SPEAKER_00 27:19

So, anyways. So, Moksha, do you think you have that in any way or close to any way in your life? I mean, yes.

SPEAKER_01 27:30

Ish. I mean, I'm not really a I'm not really a spiritual person, per se. Um Are you an atheist? Uh no, I'm not gonna sit here and be like there is no God and all that. I don't know enough to fucking make that uh claim. Right. Um and when it comes to like proving or disproving negatives, you only have to be right once, right? You only get to be wrong once on the is there a god or not. Right. Um so yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 28:10

But as far as the course of your life goes, do you feel like you're closer to enlightenment like through your self-hypnosis and your studies? Do you feel like you're closer to understanding your place, what you feel, what you have guided your place in the universe to be? Ooh, that's a that's a big tough question.

SPEAKER_01 28:29

My mind immediately went to murdering everybody on the planet.

SPEAKER_00 28:33

Um, yeah, but that's just on that's just like on world 616. That's not on this, that's not on Earth 1012.

SPEAKER_01 28:39

That's just every Tuesday.

SPEAKER_00 28:41

Um every Tuesday through Saturday.

SPEAKER_01 28:44

Yeah. Um, yeah, I don't know. I guess.

SPEAKER_00 28:50

I wonder, you know, there's part of me that wonders once you reach true enlightenment for yourself, does that mean that's game over for you?

SPEAKER_01 28:56

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 28:57

You know what I mean? Because that's probably why I don't want enlightenment, because I think it means I'm gonna like die.

SPEAKER_01 29:03

Oh, discorporate.

SPEAKER_00 29:05

Um I mean, I I am starting to wonder because uh I am starting to wonder if if you know people say there's this, there's this scenarios where we're basically like somebody's like play dolls and somebody's just playing us and manipulating us to do it. There are times where I feel that so much because I'm like I'm doing all the right things, but I still feel stuck in this mud, not quicksand, I'm not stinking, stinking, I'm not sinking, I'm just stuck.

SPEAKER_02 29:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:37

And I'm kind of like, and I swear to God, when I was laying down to bed last night, I swear to God, I heard a male voice go, and we're gonna leave you right there. This is a good place for you. So either my neighbor murdered somebody and buried them in the yard, or I'm starting

Earn Your Way: no NEPO babies here

SPEAKER_00 30:00

to have like audio hallucinations or something. But it wasn't like it was screaming in my ear. It was like, it was like if somebody was in the kitchen talking and you could just barely hear it like, okay, so uh Dagda's going to uh eat chicken today and you're gonna have pork tomorrow. It just as simple as somebody saying it like that. Like, this is a good place for you, this is a good space for you to be. And I don't know if like I I imagine part of it is because I was not in a good mental health state earlier in the week because of some issues. Yeah, trust me, I am right there with you, brother. If we want to go on a murdering spree, I'm right there.

SPEAKER_01 30:37

Yeah, I've had several times where I was considering murdering people. I mean, that's all the time.

SPEAKER_00 30:44

That's everybody.

SPEAKER_01 30:45

Um full-on visualization and everything. Uh anyway.

SPEAKER_00 30:50

Um the joy on your face is ridiculous. Yes. Just remember, I bought you cookies when you had none, so I'm the last one you murder.

SPEAKER_01 31:00

Okay. Um, I'll pull out the lipstick and mark you off the list. Ah, you know, I've had um times where I was like considering like what would happen if I became something like a demigod or like Superman or something like that. Okay. Um, and because like reading novels and listening to audiobooks, stuff like that. Uh anyway, um and I sort of ran through like considerations of like the violence to be reveled in. Uh but then I thought about what would happen if I got to a a level where that was all meaningless to me, right? Um, where a certain level of enlightenment, you would basically have to shed all of your like hangups and your fucking your pet peeves, all that sort of stuff.

SPEAKER_02 32:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:00

Not to mention the worst things.

SPEAKER_02 32:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:03

Um, and so it would be kind of like my assumption, anyway, what what my brain immediately clicked to was that it would all everything that happened before would become meaningless. Yeah. It'd be not meaningless, but it would not hold a high value anymore. It would no longer really be relevant to me. And so then kind of like Did you ever watch the Watchmen movie?

SPEAKER_00 32:28

With Warshock?

SPEAKER_01 32:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:30

Yeah. I mean, I saw it once a long time ago, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:32

So at a certain point in the movie, um, the real superhero in the movie is like, I'm fucking leaving. None of this is fucking pointless. This everything you're doing is pointless to you. Um and because at that point he's basically a god.

SPEAKER_00 32:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:50

And is like, yeah, I could wave my hand and do all kinds of stuff, but it's not gonna change you. Yeah. So I'm just gonna go fucking off and do my own thing because fuck all y'all.

SPEAKER_02 33:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:01

Because it's no longer relevant. You're ants, and I'm tired of fucking staring at this dumb anthill. So I'm gonna go over here and do something else.

SPEAKER_00 33:08

That's some good matcha right there. It is if you think about it, because when you reach the point where other people's input, if you're doing no harm to others and you've only been doing good and people are still fucking up, and you if you and you reach the point going, you know what, I've put my effort in and I washed my hands of this situation because you couldn't even put the effort in for yourself, that is enlightenment to me.

SPEAKER_02 33:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:34

But like as far as true enlightenment, I don't think I'll ever reach that because not till I'm 126 years old, because I don't want to die anytime soon. Even though I keep biting my tongue, which keeps scaring me, because uh ever since that oral surgery last year, I have a uh my nothing is sitting right. So I keep biting my tongue and then it keeps scaring me, and I'm thinking, oh god, I got tongue cancer because my tongue's sore, and then it'll be fine for like three days, and then I'll bite my tongue again. And it's just it's simply it's just I have a big tongue. Just like I got a big mouth and a big voice.

SPEAKER_01 34:06

Yeah. Also, it makes me think of there's a um sort of urban fantasy series that I like. It's called The Demon Accords.

SPEAKER_00 34:18

Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_01 34:19

And in there, there's vampires and there's werewolves, and the vampires um the once they get past a certain age, they're less likely to get killed because of stupid shit. Right. Like when they're really young, um, in other words, they first get turned, they're kind of violent and fucking sporadic.

SPEAKER_02 34:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:41

And so most of them die during that period because, well, humans hunt them and fucking kill them, or other vampires or werewolves will fucking hunt them and kill them.

SPEAKER_02 34:50

Right.

SPEAKER_01 34:50

But after they get past like 200 years old, the most likely reason for them to die is basically they kill themselves.

SPEAKER_00 35:00

Um, in lore, vampires can't kill themselves.

SPEAKER_01 35:05

You can just go stand in the sunlight and you will fucking die.

SPEAKER_00 35:08

That's I I know, but they're not they're not built to just do that. I mean, until we saw 28 days of night, and then we're just like, what a concept a vampire could do that.

SPEAKER_01 35:21

Anyways, but um, and the reason is because they A, they get bored, or B also because they've been around so long, everybody that they fucking knew and loved is fucking dead.

SPEAKER_02 35:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:34

And after a while, you see this normally in people also, where people, once they're in their 80s, 90s, 100, yeah, um, will oftentimes be like, I'm fucking tired of this.

SPEAKER_00 35:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:49

And like everybody that I know is fucking dead.

SPEAKER_00 35:53

Yeah. And so and it and it's I yeah, I mean, like, I I yeah, it's just such a sad thing. My partner's just like, I don't know if I want to live. He says, I don't know if I want to live past 80. That's almost twice as old as I am now. And my body hurts, his body hurts all the time, even with late weight loss and straight training and proper change of diet, his knees hurt all the time. His back hurts all the time. Of course, he's got it's it's not MS, it's not scoliosis, but he does have a curvature, he has a lower, lower curvature from a um uh lower lumbar injury. So he's he's actually got an extended curvature and it hurts. And I get that, and I'm just like me. I just like I'm so fucking nosy about life. I it's like he doesn't get it because I'm just like, you don't understand. I am fat, I am fascinated by human behavior, and some of it's not I have come to accept that I'm a very flawed person because I uh because I don't engage very much with other humans, I keep I keep that circle butthole tight. Um it it's it's for it's to protect myself.

SPEAKER_01 37:06

I'm not a fan of that visualization, by the way.

SPEAKER_00 37:09

But hold tight. Hey, you want your butthole tight, right? You don't want to have accent, do you?

SPEAKER_01 37:14

Any fucking way.

SPEAKER_00 37:17

But okay, so I keep my circle small, very small. I keep my circle puckered. But but I'm fascinated. There are times when I'm at work and I'll just be doing stuff and I'll slow down slightly, and I'm just observing what's going on because I'm so fascinated by human behavior. And it's just like, and sometimes you can see stuff coming, like not like coming, but coming.

SPEAKER_02 37:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:43

And you're just like, and you can't help it. I literally stopped in in in the middle of doing something just to watch somebody do something stupid. Literally, they were on their phone, they weren't paying attention, they were trying to leave the front door, they didn't make it to the end of the. We have a bar system by the cashiering stations.

Moksha

SPEAKER_00 38:00

Okay. Like, so the carts would go on one side and everybody else is on the other. Okay, yeah, yeah. And they weren't, she wasn't paying attention and she cracked her, she cracked her cooch right at the corner of that bar system, just and I had this was the look on my face. Same look that you got on your face. I'm like, yep, let me. Or like I had a guy on Saturday who was so he was trying so hard to steal, but he was so high he couldn't figure out how to do it right. So he got thwarted and he ended up paying me $88. And then he tried to still steal a shirt and a pair of overalls. And I'm like, sir, if you want to walk out my building, you got to pay for those. Oh, okay, go ahead and scan me in. I'm like, are you sure? These are $20. And you said you only had $100 to spend. $20. Let me take them off. I'm like, you're not, because I told him he was just like, wait a minute. I'm like, you're not leaving the building with those on. Didn't I walk in with these on? I'm like, sir, and and pay attention to the look on my face because this is literally how I did it to him. I said, sir, you're wearing pants under your overalls that don't fit you. And the overalls have a tag for my store. Yep. And my cashier, who was up there because I was relieving somebody, my cashier was just like, What's going on? And I'm like, Oh, he didn't steal that t-shirt. He tried to, oh, he didn't steal that Tupac t-shirt. No. What was going on with them overalls? I was like, he didn't pay for them. So I made him leave them. And my cashier was just like, that's awesome. Because we've gotten into this trend where um we're kind of calling people out on shit. So, you know, but anyways, yes, I very much love observing human behavior because you get every emotion in the world under it. And I don't, because I'm more empathic than a lot, I'm more empathetic than a lot of people. Uh sometimes I don't understand, like, why isn't this person crying? That is so sad. Why isn't this person laughing? That's funny. And you know what my partner says? Not everybody finds farts funny. I get up to go to bed last night, and he goes, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. And he's got this look on his face.

SPEAKER_01 40:18

I hope you're going to the bathroom because you just shit yourself.

SPEAKER_00 40:22

And he goes, Did you just crap dust me? I said, No. And you can tell by the look on my face how hard of a time I'm having holding myself together now. And so did I did last night as well. I'm like, no. And he's like, Are you sure? I'm like, yes. And he goes, What the what the fuck is that? Are you sure? I'm positive. Then what happened? He no longer tries to guess what happened. He just asked me what happened. I farted like eight times, and the couch is holding it in. I'm sorry. He was like, Okay, fair, but I think you need to go I think you need to go to the bathroom. But, anyways.

SPEAKER_01 41:00

Um back to the conversation.

SPEAKER_00 41:03

Jesus Christ. That's my enlightenment. I, you know, I'm I'm always enlightenment. That's right. I'm always curious what enlightenment means to somebody else. And does that mean that's the end of your life? Because when you like my grandmother, let's my one grandmother, my grandma Ruby, um, she did not appreciate the doctors telling her how she was gonna have to live out the rest of her life because she had like seven different conditions that could have killed her at any moment. And she was very adamant that no punk ass doctor, he was 47, by the way, like 43, 47 range, is gonna tell her how she's gonna live her life. No punk ass whippersnap gonna tell me what now she was done. She was not gonna live by anybody else's rules. If I can't live the way I want to live and I can't live independently, I'm I'm done. I don't need to be here anymore. Yeah, and she was literally gone, like just gone within a day and a half.

unknown 41:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:57

Or a day probably. Um, yeah, I

Know when to walk away

SPEAKER_00 42:00

I think she went into the hospital like before noon one day and she was gone by before 10 the next day. And it's the most fascinating thing to me because she just she was just like, I'm done. I'm so done. So she it was it was like this, she had this epiphany. She had this epiphany that if she couldn't live her life the way she wanted, she was being told she couldn't live independently anymore, she couldn't live without this, that, and the other. And that's not how she wanted to live.

SPEAKER_02 42:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:30

And I mean, I mean, I felt really bad for my mom and my uncle, because obviously my mom had spent so many years helping her mom. And then my uncle was, he literally, I like honestly, I think, God rest his soul, he was such a sweet man. But I do think he's the poster boy of a mama's boy. Like he loved his mother like no other. Like, I mean, I mean, closest thing is the way I love mommy. The way, hi mommy.

SPEAKER_01 42:53

Hi, mommy.

SPEAKER_00 42:54

We're not talking to you on this podcast. Don't listen. Naughty girl. Sorry, flashback. Anyways, uh, but so the biggest thing of the Kama Sutra is, of course, the Kama. So, and I know we're running short on time, but we'll we'll extend it a little bit today just to get through this. So, the Kama part of everything, this sutra is about desire, the wish, um, passion, emotions, pleasures of senses, um, aesthetic enjoyments of life. Oh, I love those jeans. I'm gonna wear them. Uh, affections or or love with or without any sexual um connotations. Like, you know, the freedom to love who you love, the way you love them, that's right. And it says, and we're gonna we're gonna end on this because everybody's interpretation as comma is gonna be the way it is, right? So this is where we'll end on. Is love without violating moral responsibility, material prosperity, and one journey one's journey to spiritual liberation. So, pretty much figuring out how to love yourself first and foremost, I think. Not like that. You fucking dirty. Tirty. It's the Kama Sutra, dude. That's true. Pictures are pretty hot, even though they're like 3,000 years old, but whatever. But anyways, it was it was an interesting read. I would love to get a hold of the original text, and uh we'll just leave her that. We'll just we'll just finger it out at that. Figure out what your sutra is and which one's applicable to you. I I would love to be able to have them all perfected, except for Moksha, Moksha, Moksha. I'll save that one until I'm ready to be done. You know, but anyways, it it was a fun read and just you know some really fun pop culture facts. Um, the overall analysis by all of the historians and scholars out there is it should be a sky, uh it should be considered a guide to discover self-confidence and understanding of one's body and feelings. Um, it of course it is a good sex guide handbook. Um, there's also that interpretation, and it is uh it wants to, the entire book wants to teach you a tolerant and even like exalted or positive view of sexuality and acceptance of everyone's sexuality. Um you've got four movies out there based on the Kama Sutra. One's called Kama Sutra, a tale of love, one's called the Kama Sutra 3D. Yep. And then you've got two that were done by the same director. And he was intending to do uh a series of them, but you know, he did two. And that is Tales of the Kama Sutra, The Perfumed Garden, and Tales of the Kama Sutra, Monsoon. Neither of them have anything to do with the Kama Sutra except for there's sex in there.

SPEAKER_02 45:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 45:39

But that's that's it. That's all the pop culture references I have for it. It's just four movies. It's uh why why fix what's not broken? But that you know, hey, people can interpret it however they want, but that's that's the uh that's the theory, is why more hasn't been done about the Kama Sutra, is because one, why not fix what's not broken? And two, what's the point of doing the Kama Sutra? This this literally

Kama

SPEAKER_00 46:00

book of philosophy that's been out for 2,000 plus years, a very long time, longer than any of us have been alive, that has done a many good person, a many good thing. So if you're not going to interpret it the right way, shouldn't don't don't if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Anyways, I hope you guys have had fun discovering the comments here like I have. Um, I would love to read it. Uh, if I can get an original copy, I just think it's just fascinating.

SPEAKER_02 46:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:32

Because it's all based on human behavior, and I am obsessed with human behavior. That's why I watch the serial killers.

SPEAKER_01 46:39

That's why your nickname is Bjork.

SPEAKER_00 46:41

Bjork. No, no swans on here.

SPEAKER_02 46:44

Behavior.

SPEAKER_00 46:46

No. Yeah. I'm part of the Pink Pony Club. Any fucking way. Have a fantastic Friday, y'all. You take care.

SPEAKER_01 46:58

Later.

SPEAKER_00 46:59

Bye. Thank you for joining us on our After Dark journey today. Please follow, like, subscribe, and share. Until next time.

SPEAKER_01 47:22

Later.

SPEAKER_00 47:23

Bye.