Interview Series - Natalie Zaharias

Join me for an insightful and in depth conversation with Natalie Zaharias. 

Through her business, Eunoia Coaching, Natalie blends her spiritual gifts & Tertiary background to help people live their greatest life.

"At the core of everything, there is a genuine want for everyone to live their best life"

You can reach out to Natalie for a reading or 1:1 coaching at -

Website: questforeunoia.com.au

Email: hello@questforeunioa.com.au

Instagram @questforeunoia

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:16

Welcome to Head in the Chaos, a space for dreamers, for wanderers, and anyone who craves a little calm in the chaos. I'm your host, Casey Darling, and together we'll drift through guided meditations that are designed to help you relax, reconnect, and find stillness in your mind and body. Here we celebrate the art of slowing down, tuning in, and letting your imagination take flight. Whether you're unwinding after a long day, grounding before sleep, or simply needing a mindful moment, you are in the right place. But heading the clouds isn't just about meditation, it's also about connection. I will be joined by fellow dreamers who will share their stories, insights, and passions on topics that inspire curiosity, creativity, and calm. And together we'll explore new ways to live with more ease, wonder, and self-awareness. Here we celebrate the beauty of daydreaming. Those moments when your mind wanders freely and inspiration feels effortless. Let go of the world and join me. Natalie is a psychic medium with a tertiary background in understanding the human condition. She bridges these modalities together to help people move through whatever may be inhibiting them from living their greatest life. In this enlightening conversation, Natalie shares her insight and stories of clients she has worked with through her business, Junoia Coaching, to help set them free on their path to living their greatest life. Natalie's contact details are available in the show notes if you wish to reach out to her after the episode. I hope you enjoy our conversation. Alright, so hi Natalie. Thank you for being here. Thanks for having me. You're so welcome. Thanks for being the first kind of official guest in this interview series. Um, yeah, it's just such a pleasure to have you.

SPEAKER_00 3:45

It's my pleasure being here. Honestly, it's very exciting.

SPEAKER_01 3:48

Yeah, I know. I'm that excited, nervous mix, which is always a good place to be. Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 3:55

I think that's always where we find that we're kind of on the edge of something, aren't we? Like something exciting when it's that mix, you know, very mixed bag of feelings.

SPEAKER_01 4:03

Yeah, okay, awesome. Well, I'd love for you to introduce yourself a little bit, tell our listeners who you are, what you do.

SPEAKER_00 4:12

Perfect. Um, my name is Natalie Saharias. I am a psychic medium. I am also a spiritual and personal development coach.

SPEAKER_01 4:22

Amazing. So you have mentioned to me that your your gifts were inherited. So your mediumship and psychics were inherited. How did that look for you growing up?

SPEAKER_00 4:36

It's um well, I think for myself, like I reflect on this quite often because even where people are like, how do you develop your intuition and things? And um, I suppose my experience is a little bit different than someone that potentially comes to it a little bit later or remembers it a little bit later. Uh, because I was very fortunate that because it did run in my family, that if there was something that did come up or happen, I could, you know, digest with my dad. It's my dad's side of the family that um I inherit it from. I could digest with my dad, and I guess it in that benefit, it wasn't squashed. Um, so it was something that I could maintain rather than, you know, was kind of directed to shut out and forget about and then came back to it later. Um, in that, I guess it was very, very beneficial for me because this was something that I had started to evolve into a lot more even as early as my teenage years, um, which I felt was a saving grace. Like it kind of I I guess gave me a little bit of a leg up on life in certain um Absolutely. Yeah, so it was really um encouraging to be able to have that person to debrief to um with having those experiences and kind of like be this is what I'm seeing or feeling or you know, kind of thing, and and be able to get that feedback of like, yeah, so this is how you kind of handle that, or you know, this is how you might want to approach that or consider that. So it wasn't squash, so it was a good thing because it was something that I evolved to not be afraid of.

SPEAKER_01 6:11

Yes, absolutely. I mean, such an advantage, you know, to have it um encouraged and have people to talk about it with because there are a lot of us that kind of maybe had what we thought were those abilities as children, and then they just got lost in the watch, you know, like um, and so then it's you know, come back later on in life where it's like, oh, hold on, I can do this or this is happening, and then we kind of seek answers, which is I mean, amazing that there are people like you out there to help us with that. Um, so yeah, I mean, like I said, amazing advantage to have it encouraged from an early age, um, and then continued to be encouraged through lots of kind of big transitions in our life. Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_00 7:00

And I think um, like so, and I find that the more the generations go on, there seems to be more of us um collectively, whereas um I think in my dad's generation, it was pretty much him, and then prior to him, his I think his aunt was, um, and then her mother, so my dad's grandmother, um, and that there. So, where we had for a long time probably one person per generation. Now, especially when I look at my children and my nieces and nephews, like there's a bigger cohort of of the younger generations that are, you know, leaning into it more, and and you can see that they have those natural abilities in that way, which it is really lovely to see because, like I said, for myself, um, and I guess what has pushed me toward even the personal development stuff and and noticing how it marries back to spirituality, um, is because there was that kind of saving grace through my own personal story of being able to lean into um understanding spirituality and exploring that um that helped me through some really kind of challenging times in my life.

SPEAKER_01 8:18

Yeah. Absolutely amazing ability to have and to have it supported like that. And you know, through no fault of you know, parents that don't have those abilities or anything, or you know, that might just kind of dismiss what their child is seeing, or oh, don't be silly, you're not seeing that, you're not. Um, so it's just you, I guess, your father having that awareness and then you know, passing that awareness on to you, and then now you being able to pass that down to your children is such a gift.

SPEAKER_00 8:52

It definitely is, it definitely is. And and then I think what you said is so important, it's not to create any type of shame for people that may not have been able to, you know, explore that with their children, because the reality is like it's we're probably sitting in the first age that it's allowed for this type of talk and conversation to be out in the open without it being considered like um too far left field, that you've got to kind of keep it closeted, so to speak. So um, you know, I I think that's part of it as well, where you know, being able to look at these newer generations come through with, you know, having those increased abilities and tapped more into intuition and feeling and um, you know, that creativity even in a certain way, um, really does make you sit and go, oh, I wonder what the world's going to be like in 10, 15, 20 years, because there is this space now where this is more accepted and more open and and you know, not considered so far to the other extreme.

SPEAKER_01 9:59

Yes, and like you said, it's a lot more individuals aware of their own intuition and aware of their energy.

SPEAKER_00 10:07

Definitely. And I think that's where a lot of my work sits in, because uh a lot of my teaching or how I like to work with my clients is about acknowledging the fact that you are a spiritual being in a human form. You know, that that's that's your experience. You are a soul with a body, uh, not a body with a soul. Um, because I think sometimes, you know, our our biggest teacher in life is our response via ego. Um, because that is what actually helps us grow and evolve and you know, gives us our lessoning for whatever our soul's mission is here at this time. And I think being able to recognize that stops the compartmentalization of ourself, you know, and can bring a lot more harmony back into acknowledging um parts of self that we are, it's like holistic, you know, we should be approaching our healing life, you know, with more of a holistic lens than you know, compartmentalizing I'm this and I'm that and I'm I'm spiritual here, but I'm also this, you know, when we actually realize um that we are that whole holistic being and all our layers kind of match up to other parts of ourself, um, it it gives such a sigh of relief to a certain degree because it it recognizes that this part of me isn't broken and I need to fix that, or this part needs work. It kind of all bridges together. So if you're developing this part of yourself, it's going to have a flowing effect to other parts of your life. Um, so yeah, so it it's lovely to see that there is expansion in that area because then it makes it easier for people to now that there is a greater acknowledgement of that and and evolution in that area, it just allows healing if healing needs to happen, a little bit easier and a little bit not so out of reach for people, whereas I guess people from even our parents' generations, grandparents' generations, definitely where it was just kind of skated over.

SPEAKER_01 12:22

Absolutely. Yeah. Um, yeah, a spiritual out like a spiritual um solution to a problem wasn't really something that you sought out to find. It was very kind of blocking. And if you did, it was under the table.

SPEAKER_00 12:38

Yes. Um, I think even one of the stories. So some of the information from my personal history with um inheriting the gift, I get from my dad, and others are pieced together from bits of meditation with connecting with past loved ones and things. Um, but I've seen back, like I think my dad was the first male in a long time. And I think that was very um designed that way. It was very much designed that way, I think, to help heal, you know, some of the male lineage in that. But prior to him, there was, like I said, his aunt, his grandmother, and then through meditation, I had seen that there had been a couple of generations behind that. And there was one woman that I had connected with who I think would be like a great-great-great aunt of friends, somewhere along the lines. I don't know how many greats exactly. Um, but she showed me that the way she used to deliver messages to people was through flowers. So she would actually, she would work in a market with flowers and she would cut and deliver and sell flowers to people. Um but it was there was kind of like a under knowledge, I guess, of what flower to buy or something in that sense. There were that it's like that they knew, and then that would be like the handwritten kind of message that they would get with that. Um so I thought that was so interesting, but also it it highlights just how kind of I guess under the table certain parts of it has been um for such a long period of time. So I enjoy being able to bring people back to that and being able to share that in such a um in a way that allows people to connect back to that part of themselves without feeling like it still needs to be hidden.

SPEAKER_01 14:37

Yeah, amazing. Um what what first led you to exploring energy um and vibration and you know the idea of us being a soul um and as a way of understanding life?

SPEAKER_00 14:55

Yeah, so like I said, I think my first lot of exploration um happened when I was a teenager. So I I remember um as most teenagers do, you know, struggling with some hard feelings at certain times. There was also a few things like bigger things that happened um during my teenage years that I I guess kind of woke you up to oh, the world can be a bit of a tough place. Um and again, there was a few things along the way, and I do have to give my dad credit here because I think there was some introductions that he gave to me to other people that he was connected with and in more of a spiritual way. Um and there was an exploration for myself through some, I think they were fairy cards, like fairy um oracle type cards.

SPEAKER_02 15:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:56

Um, and I I I remember clearly being a teenager, and I'm like, oh, I don't know quite know what that means. And but then I guess I was fortunate enough that I had the mindset or um already open-mindedness, I guess, that when you know that situation would come up, or something's like, oh, okay, so I guess that's what the cards were saying. So it was a little bit of a self-learning curve. Um, but there were also moments where, like I said, there had been some big things. So there I had a friend that passed away when I was quite young. Um, I also had an auntie that passed away when I was quite young, and circumstances around all of that were quite um big. I also had a grandfather that when I was 11, he passed away from cancer. And so um, when there were moments where I could see these people after they had passed away, um, and then kind of getting messages from them. And the biggest anchor, I guess, that helped me recognize, oh wow, this could, this is something there's something kind of healing in this, even though I couldn't voice the words or know what words to use to articulate that was the sense of peace. It was a sense of peace that I got on the other side of that, where it was like looking at these kind of catastrophic life things that happened, that you know, but then being able to connect with these souls afterwards, and it's like, oh, you're okay. Yes, you're okay. And and just I guess trying to understand that and what all of that meant, because like as an example, like my grandfather passed away from lung cancer. Um, you know, so that that wasn't a smooth uh death, so to speak. It wasn't peaceful, it was quite um traumatic for people. There was a lot of pain. Um, but then being able to connect with him on the other side, and and I remember looking at him, you know, where he wanted to present back in his vibrancy and back in his kind of you know, best self, and he wasn't in pain, he wasn't sick anymore, he, you know, was fine to a certain, you know, certain degree on the other side, and it was like, oh, what does all of that mean then? Like, how do you go through such a severe transition in life? But then you're on the other side and it's okay. So I guess I had you know always questioned more of that and lent into that. And the more that I understood was that because the the body is the vessel in this lifetime, whereas the soul is very much um infinite, like it's energy, it can't be destroyed. Um, it just changes form. And so then being able to have that lesson early on, I guess, of that, you know, there's something bigger kind of going on here. And I wonder what all of that means. And it was that driving force of feeling that peace once seeing those people once they had passed, or um, you know, getting those kind of feelings, because a lot of my work comes from um, I think it's they call it the clercognience, the feeling of things, um, and wanting to explore more of that. Um, because like I said, that I I still remember that feeling of peace. And there was even one time when I was younger and we were at a relief concert. I can't quite remember what it was. Um, it may have been when the flooding was on back in 98, like that there was a big kind of relief concert, I think, in Wollongong. It may have been that. Um, and I remember again because before I had a little bit more mastery, you know, in those environments, feeling, you know, I guess what I know now was other people's feelings and angst and and things like that in that way. So I was feeling unsettled. I could feel it all in my stomach, and I remember kind of just kind of like, you know, just allow me to feel that peace feeling again, allow me to feel that, and I did. Um, you know, so I remember kind of feeling that peace feeling and knowing that I was kind of again, it was very a feeling feeling rather than being able to articulate, oh, I saw this or I this happened, um, and that, but it was very much like a strong feeling of peace that overcome me after I had asked for it. And I was like, okay, this is something that I I remember just it kind of spurred me. It's like, I want more of that. So how do I get more of that? You know, from more of that younger kind of mindset. And then from there I did um some study under different people and different things, and just kept getting this amazing feedback, I guess, from spirit of like, okay, there's something in this. Um, you know, and then the more that I lent into it, and the more that I lent into what I was shown all of it meant and how we should be treating each other and things like that, there it just it just grew from there. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:12

So how did then um you I guess sometimes you know, tertiary education can be a certain way, you know. How did you marry tertiary education with this whole other spiritual side of yourself? Like how did you combine them so that um you know you weren't feeling conflicted through studies?

SPEAKER_00 21:39

Yeah. Well, to be perfectly honest, I was conflicted for a long time. Um there was a period of time, it wasn't a very long time, but there was a period of time where I did, you know, where I had been actively journaling every day or, you know, um playing with Oracle cards or different things, you know, every other day. And there was a decent chance. Chunk of time where I probably turned my back on it for a little while. And it wasn't like, oh, I don't need this in my life anymore. It wasn't in that way. It was just potentially a natural shift. Um, but I remember feeling like it was probably the biggest time that I felt lost. Um, and that's not to say that that's how everyone will feel turning back, but because it was such a big part of my life for a period of time, and then I kind of, you know, just got a bit busy with life and turned my back on it a little bit. Um, I remember feeling quite lost in that. And then when starting to come back to that, there was a recognition of I I guess I could see the duality. I could see the duality of leaning into the tertiary side of things, of um counseling and things, and then also the the spiritual side of things. And then when reflecting on it, it the more that I tried to divide it, because that's what I did try to do for a long period of time, where it was like, okay, you're coming to see me for this or you're coming to see me for that, you know, tried to divide it for a long time, but it didn't matter how much I tried to create a barrier with it, it did just keep evolving back into one another because the reality was that the problems aren't necessarily different. The problem can very much be the same. And again, it comes back to that knowledge that we are a soul with a body rather than a body with a soul. So the soul is the thing that carries the weight. Um, you know, and it's kind of like whether you believe in spirituality or not, it exists because it is spirituality, is the um, you know, honoring the fact of where we come from and that pure source and that light um that we've all kind of originated from and that we are here to have a spiritual lesson through human experience. Um so again, I I tried to divide, I tried to separate as much as possible, um, but it just got to a period of time where I was like, I don't think I'm meant to actually separate this because I I would be talking about someone about one thing and try to just keep it aligned in a counseling way or a coaching way. But the reality was the biggest lesson I had got through trying to do that was whether it be trauma, whether it be a painful relationship experience, childhood stuff, whatever it may be that you could fit into that clinical lens, you could heal it or address it from a clinical way. But I would find that it would keep coming up again for people. And I would be like, why when we've done the work, when we've looked at it from every angle, we've approached it from this, this, and this, why is it still coming up? And it's because you're only looking at one layer of it. Yes, you're only looking at one layer of it. And I mean, when you look at people that they are multifaceted, like just looking at it from that lens, it makes sense that you know you could be looking at healing something or fixing something or trying to get a little better, better grasp of something from, but if you're only looking at it from one angle, you're only healing it from one angle. So for myself, what I had seen with my clients was that the more that we were able to approach it from a few different ways, they were moving forward because even through my own self-exploration, it was kind of like I I always found that I could logicize and I could intellectualize all the information, but action was a completely different ball game. Action was completely different in being able to move from what I knew in my mind, what I knew in my heart, to what I needed to do out in the world to see the significant change. Um, and so that was where I was like, you know, because I have a genuine care for wanting to see people live their best lives. So I didn't want to put anything out there that was just fodder, you know, that was just kind of like, you know, a little bit of a band-aid fix here, um, and then good luck, you know, kind of thing. So uh that was the biggest thing for me was the recognition. And I again I was probably a bit stubborn with it for a while, but the recognition that bridging both together was what actually saw greater change and movement with people where they were actually making differences in their life and um, you know, actually able to recognize where they had been and where they were going.

SPEAKER_01 26:45

Yes, yes, and absolutely two things can be true at the same time. Yeah, and and so I think it's beautiful that you've been able to utilize both avenues together in what you do in your work. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Um so with that and with your work with clients, um, how much do our thoughts influence then our, you know, our own energetic state and our reality?

SPEAKER_00 27:19

Awesome question. Yeah, uh from my understanding, so one of the biggest conflicts of my own learning, and like I said, I wouldn't be able to do what I do if I hadn't gone through my own. Yes, and this is so cool. Yeah, yeah. Because it kind of allows for lived experience. But I remember very clearly once there was a song. Um, and and I I don't remember the exact line, but there was something in there where it was kind of like hinting or saying, like you're in charge of your own destiny. Um, and this was maybe a couple of decades ago now. And I remember listening to that and being so confronted, so confronted by that sentiment, because I was like, what are you talking about? I would not have chosen this, I would not have chosen this experience, this and that, and all the rest of that. You how you can't tell me that I'm in charge of my own destiny, like absolutely not. I refuted, like, you know, the kind of level of energy that I was sitting in. But again, the more that I sat with it um and tried to understand what that meant, I understood the weight of it. I understood the weight of what you know the message was there because the reality is that what I have seen from the multiple, multiple people that I have worked with is there may be things that happen to you in life that you don't have control over. It's one of the double-edged swords of living our life in community and tied to other people. Um, because what may be linked to someone else's life lesson may impact you because that's your husband, that's your wife, that's your child, father, mother, whatever it is. Um so the pain, the impact on you is no different. Um, but you didn't necessarily have control over it because it stationed from a different person. What I have seen though is that it's our experience, it's our trauma, it's our pain, it's our inability, and that's not said with accusation, it's just how the world is designed to go and understand things from that deeper level within ourself that doesn't necessarily create the pain but creates the suffering. Yes. So the differentiation is is that with pain is pain, pain is unavoidable, life is going to be painful. You know, it's the risk of love. You can't have love without pain. Suffering, though, is what we put ourselves through because if we link back to as a child, child children are very egocentric because the response from children is if something is happening around me, it's happening because of me. Yes. And but in that, that's also where we get our first kind of um deep lessons of self. So there's traits that we develop in that earlier period of living and life where we don't necessarily have the maturity or the fully developed brain to contextualize properly, um, that bridges back to our identity as as adults. Um and so if we look at traumatic things, painful things and things that happen, it creates wounding, it creates walls, it creates barriers, it creates parts of ourselves that we put on a shelf and we will not address for a very long time, if at all. Um, and the reality with that is that it's a safety thing. It's like people that might use alcohol or or binge eat or whatever it is, they're using medicine, it's just not the best medicine for them. Do you know what I mean? Um so it's it's helpful and it's protective, you know, because our entire human biology is designed to survive. Yes. Um, and that is even to survive the emotional stuff, you know, because pain gets registered in the body as pain, whether it's emotional or physical. Um, so again, our body is just trying to, from a biological standpoint, survive and and work out what we can do in that moment where it's this crushing thing that's happening in our life to be able to move forward without feeling like we're destroyed. So that being said, it's not necessarily the painful thing that's keeping us stuck, as it is sometimes our thoughts about the painful thing that is keeping us stuck. Um, and and that that thought about the painful thing is again has depth of layer because it's not necessarily just the thing that has happened. It is the thing that happened when we were seven that was similar. It's the other thing that happened in a job that we really loved that you know we were had workplace bullying or or whatever the story is. So our energy and and how we put ourselves forward in the world, our belief, our expectation, our limitation all stems back to experiences and things that we have had, right? That's that's understandable, that's universal. There is not one person that would probably argue against that. However, what some people may be skating over is that the recognition that there is probably something along the way that has caused a deeper wound than you've recognized that is adding extra suffering unnecessarily onto what that situation is.

SPEAKER_02 33:07

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 33:07

Where I like to work with people is that if we can unpack that and look at it from a deeper layer, it doesn't become the the you know the monster under the bed anymore. It becomes tangible, it becomes a real thing that can be moved through potentially and allows you to start moving forward again.

SPEAKER_01 33:31

And so this is where then you help people with their thought patterns, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:36

And the biggest weapon that anyone can have in the world is the better you get to know yourself, the better you will be able to move towards your goals. Because I think it was Karl Zhung that said the world will ask all of us, who are we?

SPEAKER_02 33:54

Who are you?

SPEAKER_00 33:55

Um, and if you don't know, the world will tell you. So that talks about influence, it talks about how we receive information. It's why when you do see young children, adults even, but you know, when they do find new new friend groups or a new girlfriend or boyfriend, whatever it may be, that you feel like that they're like, is that something you like or is that something you're evolving into because you know, and some things will stick and some things they'll let go of along the way, it's all through our own self-exploration. But with all those experiences, those experiences are necessary because that allows us to work out what we do and don't like. However, if we don't end up going back to the self-reflection and the connection back to self to work out what this may be telling you, or do I like that, or am I doing that because that keeps me in community? Um, then that is when the world will tell you who you are, rather than, but the more that I have found that people sit in the solid knowledge of self, who they are, what they bring to the table, and who they want to be, they're the ones that become unwavering. They're the ones that move a little bit more solidly through the world because they know that who they are, what they're aiming for, and what they want to be, and they're not necessarily looking at to the world or external forces to tell them.

SPEAKER_01 35:22

Yes. Well, that was going to be my next question. Um, what results have you seen working with people?

SPEAKER_00 35:30

Yeah, so I I can't, I mean, because the thing is, is that what and what I do extend to all of my clients I've worked with is that I'm you're you're steering the ship. You're steering the ship. I'm just someone to help you along the way that helps you, you know, find the information or you know, help might help you look at things from a bit of a different perspective. And, you know, we do the work there. But there have been some things, and and this is where, like I said, it comes back to understanding that we're so layered. Um because there have been some people that I have worked with, um, where for them it's been more about clearing past life stuff. Yes, past life stuff, and then from there um they've started to be able to move forward. For other people, it has been more the psychological, and other people it has been more childhood stuff and and connecting back to um spiritual self. So there is one there is one story actually um that still sticks out all these years later. And there was this young girl that I was working with, and her and her um partner wanted to have a baby. They were looking at exploring having a baby, and she was doing everything, she was doing diet, she was seeing a naturopath, she was seeing me, she was seeing all of this stuff, and there wasn't necessarily anything substantial on paper to explain why infertility was happening. And we were doing all of this work, and when we were doing a lot of energy work and a lot of the spiritual counseling stuff, her mum was very present. Her mum had passed away, and her mum was very present, and we were doing a lot of energy work and spiritual work around whatever may be a spiritual block around the womb, her womanhood and and all of that kind of thing. And we had had a couple of sessions together, and it got to this one session where we were focusing on energy and things like that, and I could see the mum's presence like was very solid, and I knew that there was a connection to the mum and her passing and why there was a a spiritual block here. Um and so we're looking, and when I was connecting with her back to like her womb area, it at the time was still very like clinical, if that makes sense. So the way that I was being shown it and and the energy that I could feel of the space was that it was it was very clinical, like just like steel, steel, like nothing could stick, nothing could stick, so to speak. And then we're going backwards and forwards and stuff, and her mum was always a very strong spiritual presence. And then the mum was like, You need to talk about how I died to me. And I was saying to her, I was like, Okay, I was like gearing myself up, per se, for being able to talk about this really able to pass on this message in the absolute way, yes, definitely, and and we're having this conversation and gently we're exploring it whilst doing the energy healing stuff, and it turned out we had never actually talked about the circumstances of mum's death before. I knew mum died in a hospital, I knew mum that had passed um circumstances to do with being in the hospital, and it turned out that this um she had passed whilst having female-based surgery.

SPEAKER_01 39:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 39:22

So as soon as we had identified that and being able to talk about what her fear was around that and this this wounds that understandably had been created around that, again, there was a big shift in energy. And I'm I'm not going to take pure credit for this because, like I said, she was doing everything else, like she was seeing all the doctors, all the other practitioners, or anything like that. But I I think just even with that, it's such a profound story around energetic shift and and how even our mindset can impact things, amongst other things, because I I think it was within a couple of months from that shift she found out she was pregnant with twins.

SPEAKER_01 40:10

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_00 40:12

It was like there was there was two of them there and whatever else. Um, and then she went on to have a happy, healthy pregnancy and things like that there. But again, like I said, she had done many, many things to help her along her journey. But I I think it's a little like you can't just say it's coincidental with being energy in that way and being able to acknowledge that understandably very, very raw uh uh wound there around that, and having that very understandable fear around um anything to do with her own um reproductive health because of you know, uh instances that had obviously created so much pain for her around her mum. So yeah, and I think with that there, where like I said, it's not to say people are doing things wrong or there's blame or anything with that, because it's such a delicate situation. Um, but I'm yet to meet someone where there hasn't been some type of energetic block or some type of something, whether it be in this lifetime or a past lifetime, that indicates why this may not be happening in the way that you would like it to.

SPEAKER_01 41:32

Yes, absolutely, absolutely. Gosh, that is so fascinating, isn't it? It never not blows my mind energetic work.

SPEAKER_00 41:40

Yeah. I think even with my own personal story, like that when I was pregnant with my first child, I um there I had such this strong fear. Once I found out it was I was um having a boy, I had this big fear, uh irrational, and I had no idea where it came from that I was going to lose him. That I was gonna lose him. There was nothing to suggest anywhere on paper that this was a valid fear. Um, and I remember kind of exploring everything else, and I'm like, well, you know what? I'm gonna meditate on it because that's the only thing that I have, that's the only thing that I haven't done yet. So I'm gonna lean into that and and see what I come up with. Um, and I remember being shown this past life where I had been heavily pregnant and our uh village was getting ransacked, and so we kind of had to make a run for it. Um and obviously being heavily pregnant at the time, there was only, you know, my mobility was obviously not as vast as everyone else. And so I I ended up um I ended up getting a spear. I think it was like from one side through the other. Um as I was looking at this past life. This is what I was being shown. Um, but obviously that was where my knowledge kind of stopped of what happened in that lifetime. So this is where the fear came into play. Um, because when you pass over, you get the knowledge, you get the understanding, you go back to a spiritual being. When you incarnate again and come back into a new life, it's kind of like muscle memory because your soul is anchored back into that different form. So that there's that's why fears can get triggered and things. So even though you have the knowledge and understanding in a spiritual form, the body kind of remembers it and kind of there's a synergy there that it kind of brings you back. And it's why sometimes these fears from past lives or stuckness, so to speak, from past lives can come through into new lifetimes. So I was looking in this, but that was obviously where my knowledge in that human experience stopped in that lifetime because I died.

SPEAKER_02 43:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 43:58

What I was able to See when going back into that um reflection and and past life regression, there was I saw that the people that I was escaping with, which I believed to be my husband and his brother or something, where they had actually taken the baby out. They knew they couldn't save me, but in the field there, they kind of when abled, they came, they took the baby out, and the baby happened to survive. Wow. So they moved on from there. Um so with that, when uh hands down, when I came out of that meditation, the fear had gone. Goodness had gone. Because obviously, first time being pregnant in this lifetime, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:40

And take it back to this fear. I was gonna say it's like having how I like to describe it to clients when we're doing this kind of work too. It's like having a a tunnel open. 100%. So it's like your soul goes, Oh, we've done this before. This is how I felt in this time. I'm just gonna go straight back there. I've done it before, and so going back there isn't always helpful for us in this lifetime, as in the case of you here. Um, but when you have awareness of it, yeah, to kind of close off that tunnel and be like that was that experience, then it's not the experience now, but it makes sense to me why I would be feeling a certain way irrationally.

SPEAKER_00 45:23

Definitely, definitely. And it gets you to kind of rewrite the story. Yes. And I guess that's with all kind of spiritual work. There is a sense of being able to rewrite the story. Um, because as you are well aware, like, you know, the spiritual side and that different realm, it's there's no suffering. There's no suffering in the way that we understand here as human beings. Um, so there's always there is always a way out of it, you know, a way out of suffering if we are open to leaning into, you know, and exploring the different ways of that. Um, and just that final tidbit on that story was one thing that I um, you know, where there is a theory out there that birthmarks um can be identifiers of past lives. Wow, speed and stuff like that. So, with that, um, what I didn't, I actually have a birthmark at each point where I had seen because it came through from one side of my rib cage up to the other, like near my shoulder. Um, and I actually have a birthmark on either side of where that entry point would have been and exit point would have been.

SPEAKER_01 46:34

So but I have never like heard of someone who has seen what's happened in a past life and then had the correlating birthmarks.

SPEAKER_00 46:43

It's so intriguing. Like I said, I I can't say that I have seen that with every person or explored that. It's not like I have people sitting in the chair and I'm like just showing you all the birthmarks. No, definitely not. Haven't um gone that far with it. But yeah, I always thought that was an interesting little ad to the to the um experience where it was like, oh, okay, you know, and and I I didn't have both parts of the information at that one time. So it was quite a few years later that I had heard the theory around birthmarks and connection back to past lives. And I was like, oh, I actually, you know, reflecting having had that regression and having got birthmarks in in both places, I was like, oh, I wonder if that bet there is maybe something in that.

SPEAKER_01 47:25

That is so so fascinating. Um, gosh, I feel like we could have a whole nother conversation about stuff. So, you know, you potentially have to come back and we can have another conversation. Um, but I want to talk a little bit more about how, like, do you think um, you know, people underestimate how much power over their own direction and destiny that they have?

SPEAKER_00 47:53

100%. Yeah, there is nothing more I'm more certain of. Because again, like I said, the the pain is natural. It's you can't escape it. Suffering is what we do to ourselves. It's the ego part, it's the human part that is wired for survival. Because it's why we know not to touch the hot stove, you know, because someone's done that before, they burnt, they hurt, that's danger, pain, avoid, you know, that's the thing there. So our entire biological system is set up for evolution and our own physical evolution um and progression. So that's why when certain things happen that are kind of like, oh, I don't know if I'm gonna do that again or go back there again, or you know, go into another relationship again, it is that biological process that takes over, that's like, nah, that was danger, that was pain, that was avoided at all costs, you know, that's the big red sign that comes through. So makes so much sense, yeah. And it's why when you do look at people that have had massive achievements, or you know, it there is not one of them necessarily that is devoid of a story where they've had some type of pain, suffering, or you know, but it it's been the ability to get back up and try again, you know. The biggest thing to be aware of is that failure is a human analogy in the sense of how we look at trying and not getting it right the first time, you know. But we uh equal so much to fear around failing that we tend to not try. And again, it comes back to that biological process too of like, no, that's danger, that's where pain hurt, you know, all the other bits live, um, which we try to avoid. And the thing is, is that I think even in today's day and age, we spend so much time avoiding discomfort because it is so evident everywhere. Yes, that's right. And it's draining, it's draining, you know, there is a real, you know, kind of, I guess, spiritual war happening in a sense that it it is harder and harder for people to get back to their spiritual selves in this day and age because of everything that is naturally happening in the world. Um, you know, because again, the human part of us just wants to completely disassociate and find any type of relief anywhere, you know, and the idea of needing to go back into something that might not necessarily be joyous in the beginning because so much spiritual growth isn't, you know, in the beginning it can be quite tough, it can be quite heavy. Um, you know, so so trying to avoid that um can very much be, you know, is kind of I guess the war that everyone's coming up against at the moment because everyone's exhausted. Everyone's exhausted, everyone's working their backsides off and everyone's really drained. Um but again, coming back to that self and recognizing that you actually have so much more control over your destiny. And and the thing is, is that the universe, if we look at it from a stance of manifestation, um manifestation is just a very fancy word for the whole world is governed by energy. The universe only ever wants to say yes, but the reality is the universe is an energetic thing, it's not a transaction, it's an energetic um system where what you think, what you feel, is going to equal what you attract. Okay. Um and and how you approach that, you know, because it's comes down more to how we feel about ourself and how what we think we are worth and what we think our value is equals what we achieve.

SPEAKER_01 51:51

Well, that brings me again to like my next point that I want to talk about. Like, what what are some of the signs that you see that someone might not be in alignment with themselves or might not be showing up in the you know highest energetic form that they can to call in what it is that is right for them, or you know, to for them to feel abundant, you know, at this point in time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:17

I I think the biggest thing that I see, and again, it's not necessarily like I don't think that there's much that we've said here today that people would go, oh, that's completely new information, you know. I've never heard that before in my life. It's not that people don't know. The reality is is that being able to move from intellectualizing it and thinking about it into action is the scary part. Because it's coming out of your comfort zone. It's it's trying that thing that you've thought about for years, decades even, but have never been brave enough to do. And again, it comes back to that part of being able to recognize that it's like, do I want that enough? And if I want that enough, I need to take steps toward it. What I try to start with my clients is that don't think about the big picture just yet. Okay. We need to get you comfortable because it this also links back to nervous system, which is something that I haven't touched on much yet. But that that's another layer as well, is that your nervous system is the energetic wiring around you that predicts danger, trouble, safety, all of the bits. So if you've had an experience where your nervous system has been wired to feel more comfortable in danger, or wired to feel more comfortable in poverty or hardship, and you're not addressing that, you could have all the thought in the world, but you are never going to feel comfortable attaining what it is you're actually after.

SPEAKER_01 53:57

Yeah, wow.

SPEAKER_00 53:59

Again, it's another layer, and this is where looking at the whole person matters so much because it's not that there isn't abundance of information out there of how to manifest, you know. And the reality is it manifesting is just being able to tap into energies and wavelengths of the thing you want and being motivated enough to take the steps and the and the little nudges that you get from the universe toward that. Okay. Um, but again, there's so much of us that is like, because there isn't one person out there that would probably be like, I would love to win the lottery, you know, like everyone would be, wouldn't they? Yep. And there's so much theory flying around out there that it's more about tapping into the wavelength of it than it being luck, you know, or or things along that way. Um, but with that said itself, the other part is that everyone wants it. Everyone wants it, but it's more about what the energetic receivership is, you know, the wanting is one part of yourself. You know, the nervous system is a whole nother layer. So, yes, intellectually you want it. But the nervous system is saying, no, that's dangerous for A, B, and C reason. You know, that's that's going to, and again, it can come back to even biological things of like, nope, because if I win money, then I am at a different level to everybody in my community. So I kind of get kicked out of the tribe, you know, and stuff in that sense. So again, there's so much nuance to it, and I and I don't mean that to confuse people or to, but no, there is motivation in recognizing that it's like, hey, I've put in the work, but things aren't necessarily shifting. It's not necessarily that you haven't done the work, as it is, maybe there's a different layer that you need to address it from. Um, and and your nervous system could be could be the thing of being able to attain it because there is not one person that I haven't sat in my chair that hasn't had a certain degree of potential. Um, because everyone has been born with potential, with a goal, and you know, whatever that is is at a varying degree and different for every person. But whether that they achieve that or not, a hundred percent comes down to belief in self and acknowledgement of self, who they are and who they need to be, yeah, to be able to attain that.

SPEAKER_01 56:28

Yeah, wow, yeah. And look, you said earlier, you know, and a lot of people would feel this, I think, like everyone's tired because there's so much going on. And so this work that we're talking about, it can feel like work sometimes. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 56:44

And I think that's a bigger thing is that trying to one, we need to shift away from the knowledge of thinking I'm broken. Yeah, you're not broken, you're not broken, you know, life has been hard. There have been things along the way that you're very valid in your feeling and your exhaustion of. But at the end of the day, and it's not from a punishment perspective, but very few people get rescued. Yes, you know, you have to be able to find a way to do for yourself what you deserve. Yes. And again, like I said, and this is where we are coming up against this war, uh, you know, spiritual war, so to speak, is because the reality is that community is broken down, you know, we're not we're not as um engrossed in community as we have been, you know, decades in the past. Um, so so there is a lot of factors going against people and being able to find, you know, what their harmony and what their balance is. But the thing is is to try not to overwhelm yourself around what the big goal is, you know. Some of my people that feel really stuck, one of the first things that I say to them is that go get yourself a paint by numbers or a cross stitch or something from Kmart, something simple. And they're like looking at me and confused. I'm like, because creativity can open up your pathway towards spirituality because energetically, vibration are very similar of spirituality and creativity. So if you are overwhelmed, you don't know where to start, the idea of meditation just sets your nervous system on fire. Um, you know, because that whole idea of being able to relax enough in a world that doesn't exactly encourage it, again, it creates that juxtaposition. Lean into creativity.

SPEAKER_01 58:42

Yeah, do something creative. Sorry, yeah. The the amount of people that come in and um, you know, the idea of meditation is just like a big no because they're like I I can't sit that still without a million thoughts coming in my head. And then you think then you know you're doing it wrong. So there's guilt then attached to that. And so I love the idea of just starting a creative project because it allows them to go into that flow state without them overthinking that they're actually in a flow state.

SPEAKER_00 59:17

Exactly. And and that's the thing, is that trying to look for ways to be able to lean in and nurture your spiritual self without adding extra pressure or exhaustion or you know, dread about the task on top of it. Because the thing is, is that even psychologically, where the the thing people need to give up needs to mean less to them than the thing they're trying to attain. Okay. Um so if if people are being encouraged to meditate or do this spiritual course or or whatever it may be along the way, and they've got to carve out time, and but then to do that, then they're missing out time with their children, or they're missing out, they've got to, you know, and it's not that it doesn't work for some people, but the reality is it just creates pressure for most.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:11

Yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:12

So my stance is trying to find ways that can bring people back to themselves and bring people back to being able to nurture that spiritual part of themselves in gentle ways that doesn't create more fire, more avoidance, more, you know, that puts them back on the cycle of change, you know, right at the beginning of cycle of change again, um, in a gentle way that not only makes their nervous system recognize, hey, there's safety here, and I'm actually getting something out of it, you know, because then from that, that motivation is going to fuel and and and um mute the whatever exhaustion exists around it being another chore to motivate them to take the next step and to you know be able to sit there and listen to a meditation and and whatever it may be down the track for them. Um, but yeah, it's just about finding those little nuances, the little ways that you can allow it space in your life that isn't creating more pressure in in a world that is is doing that for you already.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:15

Yes. Wow. Um, well, that was going to be like one of my questions was where if someone listening is feeling stuck right now or feeling like something needs to change, you know, where would you suggest they begin?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:29

And I feel like that's a really, really beautiful creativity because it's something that you can do with, like I said, and and because there is an abundance of things, like a paint by number, you don't have to think about it. You've literally just got to buy the one set and it gives you all the instructions, you know what I mean. And at the end of it, there may be a place for for more expression. It doesn't need to be perfect, it doesn't need to be perfect, it just needs to be a little shift here and a little shift there, where the more that you're self-reflective, you can reflect on what you've gained from it feeling-wise, um, that hopefully motivates you to take another step here and another step there and and and expand a little bit further.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:14

Yeah. So have you seen moments where small energetic shifts like that have created big life changes in people?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:23

Massively, because it's it's the it minimizes that overwhelm that comes with trying to work it all out at once. Yeah. Um, because the reality is, I mean, even and one of the tools that I ask people to do is I want you to reflect back on a certain point in your time where you have, you know, you did shift to the job you want, or you did make that big change, or you know, there was growth in your career. Tell me, with your story, did you go from A to Z? Or did you go from A to B to C to F to back to A again? You know, like it's not linear, even with my own journey. I first started out in retail and wholesale management. Yeah. And then I studied in community services and now I'm here, you know. So it but there is not one part of my journey that leads me to believe I took a step wrong at all. Because it's it's just the starting, and it it's the starting tells your nervous system, tells the universe, tells yourself, I deserve this. I deserve this. Where you know, the world energetically feels a little bit more tipped over in the scales of suffering at the moment. Um, and again, if we're busy and we're distracted, you know, it's very easy to lean into that energy. And again, that's what comes back to that Karl Zhung um saying that I was saying earlier. If you don't know who you are, the world will tell you. Yeah, that is so true. And those moments of being able to lean into creativity or lean into meditation or lean into something that comes back to your soul. And again, this is where spirituality is is, whether you believe it or not, is everywhere. Because it's not just about sitting down and doing a meditation or connecting with a guide or you know, um doing some type of spiritual practice as it is being in nature, sitting in joy. Joy is the biggest thing that connects you back to your spiritual self. Um, you know, it it's just about recognizing along the way that everything has different energetic wavelengths, you know. Yeah, because I'm sure there's people that get a lot of joy out of things that may not necessarily be good for you either. And it and it again, it's not to sit in shame, blame, or anything if you do explore into that because it's been medicine for you for a reason. If there is space to move away from more of those um unhealthy things into something that is actually going to benefit you and not create more harm in the long run, you know, hopefully there's space for you to explore that too. But yeah, it doesn't need to be big, it doesn't need to be overwhelming. Um, one of the most profound things that I have found along the way is journaling.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:11

Yeah, okay, yeah. So some people I like I know just through here, like through my own work, um get really uncomfortable at the thought at sitting down with a pen and paper. So can you just explain a little bit why journaling is so powerful?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:28

Yeah, so it can be so cathartic, and I think it can also give you space to understand yourself at a different level. Sometimes saying things out loud or putting things down on paper kind of gives you that aha moment of being able to understand um, you know, what you were thinking or feeling and why around all of that. And it allows you to kind of, you know, move on from that and let it go. But in this day and age, like I said, there's so many different things, and and this is where they again it has been a barrier that I've come up with clients before. So So we have been in ways a little bit expressive with it. Um, where you know, sometimes voice recording it, you know, because then there's space for them to delete it afterwards, um, you know, once they hear it back. Because sometimes it's about that that again it comes to energy because what you think and feel has an energetic wavelength. It has an energetic mass to it, even if you can't see it, feel it. So being able to express it or journal about it or look at it from a different angle in journaling is something amazing that can, you know, because it it allows expression in the space that it allows you to look at things and recognize that there may be a layer to it that you weren't quite aware of was there that then can lead on to something else and eventually can bring you back to the root of whatever the the issue is that you're coming up against. Um so we've gotten really creative over the years with how you know to do that self-expression because it it is, it's exploring those deepest parts of yourself that can make people feel really raw and having that down on paper, people like, oh, that's not my vibe, you know, and things like that there. Um one other thing that people have used, and and I'm not saying that I uh encourage this, but I for some people it will speak to where, you know, um even there's certain apps or even Chat GPT or whatever else, it's like you know, just uh ladder into that, and then it'll spew back. And again, I'm not saying that it's always, you know, yes, maybe the right information or whatever else, but I'm just saying that there are different avenues that people have lent into. Yeah, absolutely. That is evolved past, you know, like a book and pen for argument's sake, um, that has allowed them to get, you know, that more being because I I think with journaling, the the long point that I'm getting at is that with journaling, it allows you to be able to, it's kind of the first step into being able to address what it is that you might be feeling and look at it from a different angle and get some perspective on it. And perspective is the thing that motivates you to like, okay, if I keep looking at this from a different angle, then again, it it's no longer the monster under the bed as it is the the you know, the the little bug in my hand that I can kind of be able to understand because nine times out of ten, it's our own fear, um, experience, trauma, whatever it is that has turned it into a bigger, yes, a bigger thing. And again, that's not to minimise where anyone's at with it. It it's very understandable that that has happened, um, but there is space to address it from that and be able to reduce the weight of it back to something manageable again.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:49

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. That's I mean, it's very it is a very helpful tool if you allow yourself the space to do that, you know, and being vulnerable with yourself in that way, to be open and let whatever is in, you know, floating around in the mind come out and onto the page.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:11

Yeah, definitely. And I and I think that word vulnerable is is very key because it's something that we have potentially inadvertently um kind of it's kind of like a dirty word now, vulnerability. You know, it's that thing that we all try to avoid because we don't want to look like we don't have it together, and we equate being vulnerable to looking like we don't have it together. Um, and the reality is it's just one of those, those, you know, ego-based things, ego being the human experience, you know, um, things that we kind of get stuck in or can get locked in again, because the world isn't necessarily designed for us to be able to lean more into our spirituality at the moment, but I think that's why it's more important than ever. Um, you know, so we don't feel that we are losing ourselves and our traction in in who we are along the way, you know, while the world does what the world's doing at the moment.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:14

Absolutely. Um well, Natalie, I have enjoyed our conversation so much. Um, you are in such a unique position, you know, given your beautiful spiritual gifts as well as your formal training to kind of help people like from that full holistic kind of um space, you know, you can who doesn't want to sit down and know that their loved ones are kind of like in there for their best and high school and part of their healing journey, you know, as well as getting the formal counseling, you know, to deal with certain things in life as well. So it's like you've got this beautiful blend of both worlds um that you bring forward into your session. So um, yeah, I I thank you so much for your thanks so much for having me. It's been great. Um, I would love to ask one final question. So if you could leave the listeners with one kind of dreamy message, what would that be?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:23

I think I think what I would like to leave was that just you are not broken. You are not broken. Life is tough, like and you don't need to disallow yourself from from recognizing that life may not have been as easy or as smooth for you. Um but if there are if there is a part of yourself that wants to see you move toward your greater self again or or or wonder whether you are moving toward your greater self, like that there are things that you can do, or just even look at it from a different angle or a different layer that can help you on that um progression again. Because if there isn't anything that I will gladly take to the bank, it is knowing that at the core of everything, your guides, God, the universe, whatever the the source may be, is that there is a genuine want for people to live their best life. Um it is just in our human experience, you know, that suffering and pain happens. Um so yeah, that there is definitely just take that away. You are not broken. You are not broken. You are whole, you are beautiful, you have survived. It's just that if if if there is a part of yourself that wants to head toward a certain goal or a certain version of yourself, maybe there's a different layer to look at.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:59

Well, thank goodness for people like you out there helping people um guide themselves to that. So thank you so much. It's been such a privilege to talk to you. Yeah, it's been amazing. Thank you so much. I will put all of Natalie's contact details in the show notes. So if anyone does want to reach out and um have a session with Natalie or work with her one on one, um, all the information will be there. But thank you again so much.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:27

Thanks, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:28

See you.