How Martine Dines Turned Adversity into Purpose

We sit down with Martine Dines to talk about how a breast cancer diagnosis reshapes identity, priorities, and the meaning of success. We explore what it takes to drop autopilot, quiet the inner critic, and build a life that feels aligned, brave, and genuinely yours. 

• her diagnosis as the catalyst for purpose-led change 
• the pre-diagnosis “rat race” and chasing external validation 
• people pleasing, perfection, and the “good girl” identity 
• letting go of control and focusing on response 
• learning to hear the inner voice over outside noise 
• yoga, meditation, retreats, and daily gratitude journaling 
• challenging the belief that life is inherently stressful 
• values-based decisions, trade-offs, and choosing your own lane 
• grieving the person you thought you’d be, then starting again 
• how Martine coaches through values, beliefs, energy, and accountability 
• breathwork and nervous system regulation as practical support 

Connect with Martine via her website: https://www.martinedines.com/ or go on her Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/martinedines/

Transcript

Welcome And Meet Martine

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Hello, welcome back to the Born to Be Her podcast. I am so excited to be recording this episode with the beautiful Martine Dines today. If you haven't met Martine before or aren't familiar with her work, Martine Dines is a certified purpose and mindset coach, speaker and breast cancer ambassador. Through her work, she empowers women to rebuild their lives after a crisis, reconnect with their bodies and who they truly are, and create heart-led, meaningful lives by reaching their goals. She is deeply passionate about breast cancer awareness, reminding people to regularly check, be breast aware, and confidently advocate for their own health. Welcome to the podcast, Martine. Thank you for being my first guest.

SPEAKER_00 0:45

Oh, it's such an honour to be on the podcast. I am absolutely delighted. This is such an honour.

Cancer As The Turning Point

SPEAKER_01 0:51

So good to have you here. I thought we could start off, Martine, with you just sharing a little bit about your journey and your story and to lead people into, I suppose, what we're going to dive into today, which is where you've moved from inside of your life in into now being deeply embedded inside of your purpose.

SPEAKER_00 1:11

I would say my journey started, I suppose, originally from Belfast in Ireland, and moved to Australia 12 years ago, and loved my life in Australia. Obviously, I'm still here, I'm a citizen now. Um, but my life took a massive turn, I suppose, um, a life-altering cancer diagnosis. So when I was 29, I was diagnosed with breast cancer, and it really forced me to stop, reflect, and just reevaluate everything that was happening in life at the time. And this has definitely been the catalyst to the changes in my life. And it's found me, I suppose I've now found myself on a new path of life coach, like you mentioned, um, looking after women, supporting them with their purpose, their mindset, and I often seem to fall into three different categories when I'm working with women. So, like you mentioned, if they're going through um some crisis in their life, or maybe they're running an autopilot, or maybe they've just got big dreams and they just need someone to help get them there, hold them accountable, a little bit of tough love, but the biggest cheerleader along the way. Um, and I think through all that, there's been so much that has changed in my life, but the biggest thing is probably just me being able to live a life that's actually aligned to me and in my purpose. Um so there's yeah, there's so much we could dive into.

Life Before Diagnosis And Autopilot

SPEAKER_01 2:43

So yeah, we had thank you so much for sharing that with me. And I have had the absolute privilege of knowing you the whole way through your journey of before you received your diagnosis, and um then witness a new move through your cancer journey, and now witness a new leading a life that I know that you're truly in love with, um, which has been such a privilege to watch because I know that for many of us when we move through hardship or adversity in some way, it can be really difficult to move through that and to harness the lessons that we've received through that experience and uh use it to feel the life that we really want to lead. So I would love for you to share the version of you, Martine, that existed before your diagnosis. And I suppose some of the things that through that diagnosis you realised, oh, I think maybe this needs my attention, or perhaps some of these ways that I've been leading my life might need to change to allow me to connect more deeply with my purpose and why I'm here.

SPEAKER_00 3:50

The person that I was before, I'll paint you a picture. So recruitment, industry, career, champagne razor blades, as they call it. Um, probably working 60 hours a week. Um, absolutely love the gym six days a week, absolutely adore my puppy, my dog, um, and love sun races actually, way back then. So I'd say I was a very like high achieving, always on the go, um, always running, definitely felt like I was in the rat race. Um, that was the type of person that I was before. Um, and there's I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but the biggest thing that I can see different from that person then to the person now was that I just didn't really know who I was or what I wanted, and I felt like I was trying to keep to the social pressures and the social norms that society was um that society has on people. So I was actually meant to get married in 2020 and then 2021, but we had to cancel because of COVID. Um, and the plan was that soon after we were married that we would try and have a family and that would be our life. But when I look at who I am today, I'm still with the same man, thankfully. Uh whether it's he's thankful for it, I'm not sure. But um still the same person, Sean, and but I don't have the wedding, like I don't have the wedding ring, and I don't have the children, and I don't have the house, but I'm just a lot more happier now. Um, and it's a lot of you know, it's it's obviously took me a long time to get to this point, but um I think the person that I was really focused on external validation um a lot. So, you know, how was I looking? How did I show up? How did I do all these things that I meant to? How did I make the sales and recruitment and get to the gym and have a perfect home and always be dressed and never have roots versus um you know, actually what lights me up, like who do I want to spend my time with, what things do I want to do at my weekend? They're the all things that I really focus on now. So when I think about the version that I was then versus the version I am today, I'm still highly driven, I'm still high achieving, but I'm just a lot more in tune with who I am and what I want to do. Um, and I think that comes from understanding for my sense of life and what life is because I think when you go through something that's been so um traumatic, life automatically becomes like something that can be taken away. It can be taken away from everybody, but you don't realise that. And I feel like we always have when we're younger, we feel like we always have time, and at that point in my life, I was like, Oh, well, we might not have time forever, we don't know when the last day is going to be. And I know that sounds morbid, but it actually makes you focus more on the present moment and about being happy and focusing on what you do have rather than what you don't have.

Letting Go Of Old Identities

SPEAKER_01 7:05

I love so many of the things that you touched on there, and as you were speaking, it really made me think about almost like the identities that we can hold whenever we are operating in a certain way in our life. And I'm curious to know if when you were, you know, in that phase of your life where, as you say, absolutely nothing wrong with it, it was just that season of your life, and I actually think that's a really important point that you touched on because when we move and evolve, we can make the previous seasons that we've moved through really wrong when actually they were probably just there to teach us a lesson or to allow us to evolve into who we are today. But I'm curious to know if there were any parts of your identity that almost had to fall away for this new version of you to come forth and how that felt for you because I know personally for me when I've moved through cheatings, there have been things that have felt really difficult for me to let go of. Like the I'm sure you built a really great reputation in in recruitment and the things that you were doing then. So, how did that feel, or how did you move through that that shift?

Control, Failure And Choosing Response

SPEAKER_00 8:10

Yeah, I d so like I don't know how I stayed in recruitment for so long because I wasn't that great about it. I feel like I was rubbish at it, but what I was good at was building the relationship so um and I loved looking after my team, like I just felt like I became like their mother hen whenever I was in the office. Um, like I didn't do bad, but I definitely wasn't the best in recruitment. But um I think part of the identity that I had to kind of shave off was to become the person I am today was just that like people pleasing aspect. Um, I feel like that was a big part of my identity, you know, the person that was always there, that was always reliable, that always showed up. Um, when in actual fact I was showing up for things that I just didn't want to be part of, or things that just weren't aligned to me. But because I always done it, I had to keep doing it, or because I suppose maybe going back to beliefs, or how maybe developmental trauma, if you ever talk about if you ever talk about that, but how your praise for always being the good girl, or and like I have the most incredible parents in the world, but I feel like I had that good good girl mentality. My two sisters actually called me golden balls because they said I'm always the golden balls. I went to university and I was never in trouble, and blah blah blah. Um, so I think that was one part was definitely like that people pleasing aspect part of my identity, and then the part of your identity that is attached to success and what success looks like. So um living in Australia in Sydney, in one of the biggest recruitment companies, multinational company, in an office that had 360-degree views, and working my way up the hierarchy in the corporate business, like that was success. And I remember taking my parents into the office to show them the office, and we're on the 53rd level, and so you could see the whole of the city, the whole of Sydney, like panoramic views, and I remember them being so proud, and that's that's incredible. That feeling was incredible, but walking away from that to set up like a business in coaching, in you know, purpose and mindset coaching, my parents still don't understand what I do, they still don't understand the concept of it, and so I probably held back and I suppose restricted myself for a long time before I could actually you know come out and say, Well, I'm this is the work that I'm doing now, this is the business that I'm creating, um, because they don't they don't they don't understand, and it's not obviously their fault, it's just a generational thing. Um, so working out that you know, that identity of that successful business person in the corporate office working hard and long and making bonuses to now, you know, not doing my job for money, doing it more for purpose and more for alignment, um, was definitely a big shift that I had to do. And then I think as well, a big part of that was all around control. Like I was definitely a control freak before I had to control absolutely everything, couldn't let Sean book a holiday because he would have done it wrong, and it had to be my way or the highway. And what I learned through the whole process of obviously cancer and the trauma was that you can't control what happens in life, you can't control what happens. The only thing that you can do is manage how you respond or work out how you want to respond to that situation. So, you know, you might work so hard to try and get the promotion, but you might not get it. You might work so hard to have your wedding that might not happen, you might work so hard at a relationship that might not work out. So being able to know that what you can control, only what you can control, and that life is all about learning, and failures happen, and sickness happens, and all these things happen. So you can either stew over them and be miserable and sad, and you know, throw yourself into a hole, or you can just learn from whatever it's taught you, and then choose your response, and that's what you can control is your response.

Hearing Your Inner Voice Again

SPEAKER_01 12:32

I love what you shared there because it goes so much deeper than you know, whenever we're stuck in a rut in our workspace, or in that that decision that we have around what we want to do and leading a life that's filled with purpose. It can seem like a simple fix on the surface. Like just go do whatever it is that you love to do. Where are you in that doll that you hit? You know you don't need to do that. Like that sounds like a really easy fix when in reality it is all those inner pieces that we have to figure out. Often it's not actually I don't know what I want to do, or I'm not sure about what the path is, it's all of those pieces around, yeah, the identities, the what will people think because I've built this path already. What will people think if I change this? And what if it doesn't go well and I can't control that? And and all of those things that you touched on, and I can really hear in what you shared your embodiment inside of that, which makes so much sense that you're now supporting other people with this so beautifully because you've walked that path yourself and you know it's not just as simple as go figure out what that thing is and then go and do it. And every time I speak to Martine, she's like, Oh yeah, another one of my clients left her job, so Martin Okay, oh um that's so funny. So when you then were letting go of those parts of you that you know weren't supporting the version of you that you were stepping into, the people pleasing, the needing to control things, um, the parts that were falling away. What helped you to rediscover who you truly are?

SPEAKER_00 14:20

I wish I could say there was like a magic pill or like a quick fix that you could take just to help you discover who you are. Um it's a journey, and I'm still learning and I'm still discovering who I am, and I think it's because as humans we evolve all the time, so we're always changing anyway. Like if I look back to the person I was when I first met Sean versus the person I am today, I'm different, he's completely different, and you know, we've even had to like fall in love again a couple of times as we change. Um, but how I was able to really identify that I was starting to live a life that was aligned was by listening to what the inner voice was saying. So that was the key thing. Like I think when you're in autopilot, you're always quieting in that inner voice, or you let that inner voice rule what you do. So I think you kind of have to like silence the part that you know is the little devil on your shoulder, trying to keep you small, trying to keep you safe, trying to keep you doing the same thing that you're doing over and over again so that you're safe, they know the outcome, and you're not going to change, versus the inner I suppose my inner gut that actually is telling me exactly what it wants, and then not being afraid to actually do the thing. Of course, fear comes up, of course. I don't want to be judged, of course, I don't want to go against the grain, and it's a lot easier to choose the path that's walked many, many times before because we know it's successful, whereas I really felt like I was choosing the path that wasn't walked at all, but especially not in my family anyway, um, or in Sean's family, or like kind of like the people that I was spitting my time with at that time. Like no one, nobody was doing life coaching, only you. And I remember you talking to me about it, and I was like, oh god, I don't know. Like it just to me, it just wasn't like career oriented. And I think if I'm being truthfully honest, and I'm actually embarrassed to say it, when I worked in recruitment and coaching, there was one person uh that worked at recruitment, and this was going back, I think like 2017. He was starting to do life coaching at the time, and of course, everyone in the office was talking about it. What is that? Woo-woo, what's he doing? And when I look at him now, I'm like, Do you know what? Fair play to you because he had so much resistance back in 2017, and now like he's incredibly successful, and he's living it, you know, true to his purpose. So I think that I had actually been on the receiving, I suppose on that end of like judging people that were moving into that space as well. So quiet and that voice to be like, well, if they know that's got value in it and it's true what they do and they have results, then of course they're going to continue doing it. And then I think it really helped whenever I was chatting to you. And I feel like you've been my life coach for a very long time as a friend, indirectly, because I'd often feel myself gravitating towards you if I was ever like stuck or wanted to make decisions, and you know, you just got a really good way of like talking about different things and asking different questions, and then I would come to the realization of like what answer I needed to make or what decision I needed to make. Um, sometimes I would come to you and be like, just tell me what to do, and you'd be like, No, and you'd like push it back on me, and I'm like, You're so annoying, but I know it works. So I'd seen obviously how good it was, you know, talking to you and everyone else in the industry, and I was like, I just need to back myself here now, um, and go against the green. And I suppose you just have to have some courage before you have the confidence anyway.

SPEAKER_01 18:18

Absolutely. Fear kind of goes alongside with of all of those decisions in the beginning for sure. We can wait on it to go away, but we'll be waiting for a very long time if we do that. Was there anything? I'm just curious about what you shared there around listening to your inner voice more than the noise outside of that. Was there anything that supported you to do that? Any practices or things that you did that helped you to start to even learn what that inner voice was or what it was telling you?

SPEAKER_00 18:45

I was never on my own before. Like I had friends, like in the morning, went to say recruitment or whatever, like went to the gym, came home, talked to Sean, had to see like I was never quiet myself, so I never gave myself an opportunity to listen to the pro the person in my head. But whenever um I went through the breast cancer, I really focused on holistic healing as a whole, and with that came your beautiful yoga practices that I was a member of Infinite You on the Hill, went to retreats. Um, I signed up to probably every single meditation challenge that you had. Um, started and just literally just started quieting myself and my surroundings so that I could start to hear the voice that was in my head and hear the voice that was in my heart. Um, but I also had a really good boss at the time I worked in recruitment. I talk about him um a lot of the time. He was big into self-improvement as well, and he taught us a lot around just like your self-critic and holding yourself back and fears and things like that, and I think that also helped me as well because at the start of 2020, 2020, no, 2021, I want to say, we first had the first year of COVID, and I had already cancelled a wedding at that time. On the 1st of January 2021, I had this tiny little journal and I started doing my daily gratitude every single day, before every single night before I went to sleep, I wrote five things I was grateful for. I think Bruno came up in every single day because I just absolutely have been a severe system. But that just that practice alone, having this tiny journal, and it was because we were going through a really uncertain time at the time, and having cancelled the wedding, worried about a second wedding, and you know, wanting to have a family and all these things, it just really helped me be grateful for what I had. That then when I was, you know, meditating, when I was journaling, I actually had more of a positive outcome and a positive mindset, and it just helped me, I think it just helped me quiet in the noise, work out what my inner critic was saying. Was it the devil on my shoulder, or was it, you know, the angel on my shoulder? And lent into what felt uncomfortable because I knew at the other side of that it's gonna be magical.

Why Autopilot Is Not Normal

SPEAKER_01 21:09

Thank you for normalizing that experience that is so human in our experience of our inner critic and how we speak to ourselves and how we can be so unaware of that until we actually slow down and let ourselves tune in and listen, and then as you have shared here, learn how to rewire and redirect our thoughts into supporting us with where we want to go. Because I think sometimes whenever we witness someone's journey from the outside, like Martine, knowing you and knowing um how beautifully you show up, it could be really easy to uh assume that someone must just not experience that, um, or that they must have skipped or bypassed that, and it must just have been really easy for them to just choose a new path when in reality there is so much that goes on that is unseen, the work that we have to do internally to allow us to make these bigger Decisions around stepping into our purpose in a new way. And yeah, I love what you shared there about just that that movement of what I know is such a big piece of your work that you share with your clients now from being in that autopilot mode where we just don't notice and we don't realise until we actually carve out intentional time to begin to become aware of what's happening internally for us.

SPEAKER_00 22:25

Yeah, absolutely. And it's it's so sad because I think it there's kind of become a bit of a stigma like, oh, that's just normal. Like, oh I'm I'm just an autopilot. Like they get to the end of the week, and you know, someone asks, How was your week? And they're like, Oh, you know, just same work. Oh, everyone's the same. I'm like, Yeah, just because everyone's the same doesn't mean that's normal. Just because your colleagues are the same and you know your partner might be the same, that's not normal way of living. And you know, you're gonna live your whole life and not remember or know or do anything that you want to do. Um yeah, because I was I was actually at an event at the weekend, and um one of the topics was about stress, and everyone kept saying, Oh, so stressful, life's so stressful, and how do how do you manage just how do you manage that stress? And I kind of went against everyone on the panel and just said, Look, ladies, I have to really disagree. Life is not stressful, things are stressful, but but by saying life is stressful, you're giving it a label that it's stressful and we all just have to deal with it. Whereas I don't think that's that's the case. I think things are stressful and you go through certain stressful times, but you don't just give up and say, well, life's stressful, because you can make some changes to make it not stressful. Um so yeah, that I I hate when people say that, but that's who I was before as well. All yeah, life's stressful, sure. You know, you know yourself, you know yourself, we're all stressed, but we don't have to be stressed.

SPEAKER_01 24:04

Yeah, it's like you take the blinkers off, right? It's like and we're kind of praised for living like that, and there's so much conditioning around it, and we're conditioned to believe that that is the only version of success that can exist inside of our lives, you know. And when you step out of it and you kind of realize that there's life that you can be living now, it's not when you're 70 and you've retired and you've got your pension that you can go and enjoy your life, like you really do get to do that now, and that's in the decisions that you make every single day, and there are decisions you can make to shift and change how you feel every single day when stressful events are happening to you, like you just shared. And um, it's only when you kind of climb over the other side of the mountain that you truly get to like reap the rewards of having made all of those decisions for yourself, and when you're in the thick of it, it can feel really challenging to know whether that's even possible, and when you're about to step over the mountain and make the leap and the decision to create changes in your life that can feel fucking terrifying, and you might get stuck there for a while, which hands up by being there too, um, knowing the things that I wanted, but not knowing how to get there. Um and then when you get to the other side of that mountain and you're in that part of your life where it feels really fucking good and you get to enjoy the things that you're doing, you just want that for everyone. And you witness the stress that people are under and you and you wish that they could see that it could be another way because you're right, it absolutely could be.

Values, Trade-Offs And The Van Life

SPEAKER_00 25:39

Yeah. And I think you know, but if you're so if you desire something so much and you want that lifestyle and you see other people doing it, you know, I think a lot of people have like this I want to say like a jealousy thing, like, oh, how can they do it? They must have this, they must have that. Um when it is possible for everybody, and I think by having those feelings towards that person or that thing or or whatever, it can actually be a barrier again to you accepting that or allowing that to be your reality. Um, like whenever I think about the life that we have now, I don't know. I sometimes I feel like I'm ready for retirement at 34 because we've done one of our biggest goals in life, and it was to get a van to go travelling, and every single week we have, or every weekend that we have, we're off in the van up the coast, me, Sean, and the dog, like the gypsies that we must have been in a previous life. And I think if people were to look at that and say, aren't they, you know, aren't they look how lucky they are, they're able to do X, Y, and Z, we both chose a career that we would have a lot of freedom that we could coach and work. Well, I could coach and work online, and Sean can do photographs anywhere in the world with his business set up. But if people actually know that that's our wedding fund, so we decided not to get married after all, we've decided not to have children, we've decided not to put money down on a mortgage and instead invested every single penny we have in four wheels, and we're so happy. But that's our happiness, that's what lights us up, that's what makes us like really, really happy. Whereas you might want the baby and the house and the wedding, and if you do want the baby, the house, and the wedding, then of course you can't go away in the van every single week, you know, because it's that's not important to you now. Um, so I think like being true to what you want and not what someone else wants, and then also, of course, there's some sort of sacrifice that has to come up. You can't have absolutely everything in your life that you want, you know. If you wanted all the diamonds, all the cars, all the holidays, but like be a CEO of a business, like that just can't happen. Do you know? Like, there has to be obviously ebbs and flows with what you want in life to a certain degree. So I think um that's where you have to be in your own lane and not care about what other people are saying or judgments or anything. Um, and I like I generally feel like the luckiest girl in the world, but if someone else could see what I don't have, they might think other ways. But I honestly feel like the luckiest girl in the world. Because it's your life. Yeah, it's our life. Like there's something so freeing about just jumping in that van and heading up and sleeping in the back of the van, having a shower at the back of the van, cooking our dinner at the beach. We're in our happy place, our absolute like gold.

SPEAKER_01 28:40

When you think about that 30-year-old Martine who received her diagnosis, or someone who is moving through a crisis of some kind right now, what would you have loved to have heard in that moment? Knowing that you're leading this life that you're leading now, knowing that you have did all of this work to transform your life and be in this spot where you just said like you love every single piece of the life that you're leaving living right now. What did you need to know back then?

SPEAKER_00 29:13

That's a really good question. I often tell people that this is something that you can't control to obviously to some degree, and that what I mentioned before, what you can control though is how you respond to this. So it's obviously a very big transition, and I think that you need the time to grieve the person that you thought you were going to be. So give yourself that permission to cry and scream and let it all out and don't hold it in, and you don't have to be strong all the time because often you're very focused and driven when you've got appointments and treatment, and you know, say you were going through a diagnosis or something, appointments and treatment and things they keep you focused, and then after all of that happens, when you're in the all-clear, you should be the happiest person in the world, but that's when the emotional and the psychological things hit you with an absolute smack in the face, and you feel like your whole world has just only then collapsed because you're trying to navigate life again, you're trying to be the person that you were, you're trying to move forward, but you're just lost. And I always say, like I said, give yourself the time to grieve that person that you were and that life that you thought you were going to have. But this is a really you know, you get to start again, you get to re-evaluate a lot of things in life, and you get to make big decisions that may have been harder to before. Um, you know, but what is your career? Like you can change your career at any time, and I think if anything that cancer has taught me is that um nothing's permanent, absolutely nothing is permanent, and anything can change when you want it to change. But you can look at use it as an experiment to say, well, let's look at your whole life, let's look at your career. If if money wasn't an object, if fear wasn't an object, what what lights you up? What do you want to do? What would you do every single day for free and not get paid for it? You can make a career out of anything that you want with the right mindset, with the right focus, with the right tools. If you want to go and you know lie on the beach somewhere 24-7, make a product, sell it. You'd have to be there. There's ways around it, there's ways around life that it's not the usual nine to five and working Monday to Friday, and there's so much more to life. But using this as an experiment, like I said, what's your values? What lights you up? Who you spend your time with? Do you want a dog? Get a dog. Life, life for me, actually only really started after I'd say I suppose the life that I have now is the best life that I feel like I've had. I feel like I've had a few lives, and this is the best life that I've had. And I would always say to people, I hope that I can show that life does happen after cancer, but that it can actually be even better.

How Martine Coaches And How To Book

SPEAKER_01 32:10

Thank you so much, Martine. And you're a true embodiment of everything that you share, and it has been so beautiful to have you on the pod today and to hear your journey, hear your story, and hear all of your wisdom. I love what you shared there about the different stages of what you've been through as well, and that honouring of your grief to allow you to step into the path that you're on right now and how that has evolved for you. And having been alongside you and parts of your journey, I have always been in awe of how you've moved through the world and how you have found ways to yeah, reconnect back in with yourself and continue to do that more and more. It's um yeah, it's an honour to be your friend, and it is such an honour to have had you on the podcast today. So thank you so much for sharing your story with everyone and your path and your work and the things that you're so passionate about. If there is someone who is listening to the podcast today who perhaps is in that spot right now, maybe they've moved through adversity of some kind, and I know there are many different adversities that you support clients on the other side of, and they have this real deep desire to step into their purpose in a new way in this new chapter of their life. I would love for you to tell them a little bit about how you work with your clients and um share some of the services that you have and how they can connect in with you.

SPEAKER_00 33:43

And I think just because I've been through it, I know the dark parts, I know when you need held more. Um, I love working with people in this space because it's an opportunity, like I said, just to experiment and be curious. So when I'm chatting to clients, the first thing we do is just get to know who they are, like release the shackles, release the um I suppose the persona, the social pressures that they once had, and that comes through just getting to know them, having a chat with them, asking them like really skilled questions, it's going to bring up a lot of things that they say, and often by just repeating what they're saying, you know, you see like these aha moments or they smirk, and um you know, I'm I'm not doing anything essentially only chatting to them, but when I give them the permission to like go deep into those conversations, and you just see them light them up, that's that's our map that we work off. So we do work around what's our values, um, what's happening with our energy at the minute, uh, who's in our circle, what do we do in our spare time. Uh, we might go through you know those limiting beliefs, um those little I suppose, reflections that they have, we talk about how we can move forward, and then the biggest thing is just holding space for them and keeping them accountable to hit those goals and do actions after. Um, and I think it's the support, and I think because I've been through something so similar, I get them and I understand what they're going through. So if there's something that they have often come up against um from my own experience, like I know how just to hold them and give them that space so they can move through it. Um, but everyone's different, and everyone's path is different, so I think it's always important to remind them that this is your path and this is what feels right for you, not what worked for me or what worked for anyone else. Um, so yeah, I I guess every person is is different, so it's just about connecting them to themselves. Um, I'm getting huge into breath work at the minute, and I love how it's helping people regulate their nervous system and um getting really deep into meditations and creating my own at the minute. So yeah, I just love the whole package that coaching comes with, and how there's so many different elements that people can use and get support with, and yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:17

Amazing. Yeah, and if someone wanted to connect with you in your work, how would they do that?

SPEAKER_00 36:23

So they can go on my website, martendines.com, and connect with they can have a little read and see what happens there, um, and they can just begin a free 30-minute chat. We can have a call about what they're currently going through, um, because I feel like it's very important for someone before they commit to anything, just to ensure that the coach is the right coach for them. Um, and also I want to make sure that I can help them as well. Or they can go on my Instagram or they can book through there, um, but often we just connect firstly with the chat and just no obligation, no pressure. Let's just get to know one another and see how we can work together. Um, and that usually gives people a feeling for if I'm the right coach for them as well.

SPEAKER_01 37:07

Beautiful. I will pop all of those things in the show notes for you if you're listening right now. So, Martine's website and her Instagram if you want to go and connect with her. Thank you again, Martine, for coming on the podcast today. It has been so beautiful to spend this time with you, and I could ask you four million more questions if we have the time. So we will finish up here and thank you so much for joining me on the podcast, and we will see you for another episode really soon. Thank you. Thanks for having me.