Treasure Planet w/ David Tilstra

David Tilstra (@davidtilstra) joins us to chat about the movie that shaped his life and we had never seen before, Treasure Planet.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_06 0:03

Every summer, as a child, I would walk or ride my bike to the library every day. If it was raining, I would take the local bus. I would sit for hours reading stories of great adventure in far-off worlds. Sometimes, if I had a little cash in my pocket, which was rare, I would stop at the pharmacy halfway between my home and the library, and I would buy myself an action figure. Each one of those mismatched toys would be flung into a bin and used to create my own sweeping narratives. I recall one day in particular. I had no cash, no ability to hire another Power Ranger or Todd McFarlane's spawn character into my adventuring party. But I stood, browsing the cardboard and plastic displays, imagining the things I could imagine if only I had the capital. As I was leaving the pharmacy, I went up front to look at all the candy I couldn't afford, to imagine what those sweets could possibly taste like. Like apple? I imagine that they taste like apple, but naughty. I poked through the fruit stripes and the bubblishnesses until I saw something that stopped my heart and caught my breath in my throat. Sitting in between two boxes of candy was a tight roll of large bills in a rubber band. My eyes darted side to side. What was this? Who had left this here? A cold sweat broke out on my forehead as I considered just snatching it. Taking it for myself. Before I could act, the person working the register asked, Can I help you with anything, little fella? I quickly mumbled something incoherent and fled to the door. Instead of heading to the library that day, I walked quickly back towards my home, my thoughts in a violent whirlpool of sick fantasy about the cache. Did it belong to a drug dealer? Was it a discreet drop-off or a spy? Was it left by some prankster philanthropist or a local radio station in a grand contest, and I had just missed out on my chance. That must be it. I turned heel and began to run full tilt back towards the pharmacy. Whoever that cash belonged to, it was mine now. They left it, I took it. Finders keepers, losers weepers, as they say. Standing back at that candy shelf, my eyes wide, my heart heavy, the wad, within minutes, had been taken. My dreams had been shattered. The obsession, however, remained. For the last thirty-five years, I have dreamed of finding that wad once again. Tucked into a slipper, poking out of a birdhouse, buried in the sand on some tropical deserted island. I would have the wad, I would keep the wad, I would bathe in the glory of the wad. After all, why shouldn't it be mine? My own. My precious little Wad. This week on Squeakels, Treasure Planet.

SPEAKER_01 3:31

Get the buckle ready.

unknown 3:43

Shh.

SPEAKER_06 3:44

So my parents for my birthday got Anna and I essentially a Roomba. I don't know what the brand name is. It's like Dream Home or something. A very generous, like very helpful, practical gift. Um, they had it sent, or so they said, to my brother's house. And my mom texts me and she goes, Did you get your present yet? We think it'll be really great for your new home in Vegas. My brother texts me and he says, There's a huge box waiting for you at our home. And just by like deduction and figuring things out, I was like, I think this might be like a robotic vacuum cleaner. So I show up to my brother's home and I'm just hanging out with his wife and their new baby, and my brother says, Do you wanna do you know why we got this why why you got this present? And I was like, Ugh no. But also knowing my parents, I I kind of put the story together in my own head before my brother even told me. But it turns out that my parents bought them a roomba but put the wrong address on the delivery form, and so it got delivered to the wrong house, and then they emailed the company and they sent a replacement to the right house, and then a month later, the guy who got the wrong Roomba brought it to my brother's house. So they just had two Roombas and one of them was free, and my mom was like, I'll just give it to Jordan for his birthday.

SPEAKER_02 5:20

Oh, actually, I think I I think I know the truth behind the story because I think what happened is Jordan's mom just discovered like chat, like chatbots and stuff, like chat GPT and stuff. So I think she's probably become obsessed with it. Um and now the chatbot it has um you know hijacked her accounts and is just ordering Roomba after Roomba to create an army that it can send to New York and then control and kind of like take over uh the whole city.

SPEAKER_00 5:49

That does make sense. I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 5:51

She might have installed like Chat GPT or Grok into the Roomba and because she's always asking me, like, I can I be your Instagram friend so I can see pictures. She just constantly wants pictures, and so maybe she's like secretly taking photos of Anna and I in our home through the room.

SPEAKER_02 6:09

Through the Roomba, 100%. She's mapped out like a 3D model of you and Anna.

SPEAKER_00 6:14

I mean, that is And she's like not stairs. There is something kind of sweet about that.

SPEAKER_06 6:19

Yeah, there is very there's something sweet about your mom being like, I want a blueprint of your home.

SPEAKER_00 6:25

Like it's in a way, it's it's so much more invasive than your mom just coming over, but it's also way less invasive than your mom just coming over. So in a way. Moms in the in the new age become like animators just to just to connect with their kids.

SPEAKER_02 6:49

Yeah, 100%. They build 3D games like shitty looking, like James Bond Goldeneye looking games, just so they can be like, oh, I brought over some hat dish.

SPEAKER_00 6:59

I don't my mom, or not neither of my parents are technologically savvy in the slightest. They once a week I get a phone call from them being like, Hey, uh we we logged out of the Netflix on the TV. Can you log us back in? And I'm like, mom, gun to my head, I don't know if I could log out of Netflix on my TV like intentionally. I don't know how you guys do it every single week here, but it always ends up being this like long conversation of getting them like logged back in, and they're like, What's your password again?

SPEAKER_06 7:32

Parents think like on your TV logging out of your Netflix is like locking the door when you leave the house. It's like, well, we're done with Netflix, make sure you log out.

SPEAKER_00 7:41

That does remind me of a of a fun speaking of of fun non-related to treasure planet family stories. Um when uh when I was when I was just a we lad, there were still VHSs, and that was the primary way of watching uh Treasure Planet, actually.

SPEAKER_06 7:57

Um but Okay, so now you just brought it back to Treasure Planet.

SPEAKER_00 8:02

That's what hey, uh that's just where I live, man. I'm I'm I'm I'm still stuck on that planet. Planet made a treasure. But um we when we moved when my family moved from uh VHSs to DVDs, I remember the first time we've watched the the first DVD we watched was Men in Black, which was I thought was very fun. But uh we finished it, and then my dad was like, okay, cool, how do we rewind this? And I was like, you don't have to. And he's like, What do you what do you mean? And he's like, I'm like, you don't have to rewind it, I don't know what to tell you. And he's like, Okay. So then he proceeded to rewind Men in Black for the so we could watch it next time, but he still just couldn't quite grasp the fact that you did not need to rewind the DVDs, but he he did it anyway because he's a a good Samaritan of technology, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 8:49

Yeah, he's like, Where's the tracking on this thing? Exactly.

SPEAKER_06 8:54

That's so good. Um two two points. One, my parents, David, are not technologically savvy. Um, like my dad doesn't even know how to silence his cell phone, in so much as that during two funerals, um Ozzie Osborne's crazy train has uh played at full volume.

SPEAKER_02 9:15

And that wasn't even the phone, that was just his dad starting it on a boombox.

SPEAKER_00 9:20

Doing the oh man, I'm forgetting the name. What's the movie? The the the key where he stands out in front of the the girl's house with the boom box above above the head. Oh, say anything. Yeah, say anything, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 9:30

Um, but at a funeral for an old woman.

SPEAKER_00 9:34

And Ozzie Osbourne.

SPEAKER_06 9:36

And Ozzie Osborne and Randy Rhodes. Um, but my my mom has mastered the chat GPT technology of having her pug holding my brother's new baby as if the pug is some sort of like wet nurse. Yeah. Yeah, creating that image. Um, and then to the second point, uh, Men in Black, I think, is a great first DVD. You know, we exist in this uh our generation specifically exists in this like vast like update of technology. Um my first DVD was Rat Race, I remember very specifically.

SPEAKER_00 10:13

Yo, that movie um man.

SPEAKER_06 10:16

Jude, what do you remember your first DVD?

SPEAKER_02 10:19

My first DVD was The Matrix because when we got to Best Buy, they like it was just like a DVD player just came with the Matrix, and it was just like you gotta see this.

SPEAKER_06 10:28

That's so good. It's like welcome to technology, welcome to the neo tech future.

SPEAKER_00 10:34

That's so funny, actually. Yeah, it's like you wake up in the little pod as you watch the DVD, you're like, oh my god, this is almost better than guesses.

SPEAKER_02 10:43

And we just definitely like we we we went to the went to the chapter screen and we didn't waste any time on any like backstory or anything. We just got right to the part where we was like bending back, like the CGI dodge bullet parts. That's all we cared about.

SPEAKER_00 10:55

That movie still holds up so well. I love The Matrix. I'll still watch The Matrix every like every year, uh, because we I do this thing called uh uh wine and sci-fi, where I found this website that has no basing and any sort of information or anything, but it it is it is a a website that has gone and paired most uh common or most popular sci-fi movies with a type of wine. So we have this party where we watch wine, we we everyone has to drink well the rules have changed over the years because we've gotten older, but the original rule was everyone had to drink at least two bottles of wine throughout the day and watch all these different sci-fi movies, and we've we have since taken the requirement of how much wine you had to drink off of it, but now we now we just get together. He's no longer in Edward Fordy hands of wine of wine.

SPEAKER_02 11:48

It's so funny, Dave. It's so funny you bring that up just quick. So I know there's a Somalier at my job, and I've been pitching to him a a butt rock song and wine pairing. Um and it doesn't work because it's always Cabernet. Always. There was a lot of it's the only one that works. Yeah, exactly. It's just like it's it's it's only can be Cabernet, or like in in a rarest case, like a Syrah.

SPEAKER_00 12:15

Yeah. I think one of the Star Trek we watched, it it recommended uh drinking a Merlot as well. And I was like, ooh, Star Trek, you're getting crazy up in here.

SPEAKER_06 12:29

If you're listening to butt rock drinking wine, you inevitably have to butt chug the wine, right? Oh, definitely. Welcome to Squequels. It's a sequel podcast, it's a wine podcast, honestly. Uh, we're wine guys, we're all wine guys. Um, it's a lifestyle podcast, just to quickly go through it. We believe in the ultimate power of gumping to an extent. We believe in the power of the voice, we believe in brothers loving each other. Um, but truly we believe that every movie deserves a sequel. Each week we will bring in a movie, we will discuss it a bit, and then we will pitch three possible sequels to that movie. We'll choose one of those sequels, and then the next week we will bring in a script of that sequel. Kind of. This week, we are so lucky to have with us a good friend of mine, David Tilstra, of StoryQuom Afar podcast discussing treasure planet. David, welcome.

SPEAKER_00 13:30

Woo, thank you so much for having me. I'm very excited to be here. And yes, I'd anytime I get a chance to do something with you, Jojo, it's it's it's always a yes. And also, my cat just started playing with a toy he's never played with, and it's the loudest fucking toy in the world. So give me one second.

SPEAKER_02 13:49

We really bring that out. Yeah, we always you know, whenever Jordan always animals kind of freak out around him. It's like one of my favorite attributes about you.

SPEAKER_06 13:58

That makes sense is that I'm like a Damien-like Antichrist figure that causes animals to Exactly. You're like a flocks of birds to fly into buildings.

SPEAKER_02 14:08

You're like a Shakespearean bad guy. You're like, dogs bark at me.

SPEAKER_00 14:14

You just have that aura about you, that Nosferatu aura about you. Yes.

SPEAKER_06 14:19

Oh, I could only hope so. It actually, Anna and I saw Nosferatu like on Christmas Eve when it came out, and with his new big mustache, she was like, I love Nosferatu.

SPEAKER_02 14:33

Yes, yes. Anna was like, she told me the same thing. She was like, Finally, he has that Serbian flair that I've been wanting from like if only he was in a tracksuit, then I could come.

SPEAKER_06 14:44

The the three things that she loves about me, like my deep, resonant, earth-shaking voice, my my bushy mustache, and my big fat, uh, decrepit dick.

SPEAKER_02 14:58

Yeah, I feel like they could have gone further with Nosferatio and he could have just talked about like fixing Hondas or something. They could have made him more Serbian. He's like Serbian.

SPEAKER_01 15:09

Yeah, this is a very good Acura 2007. Then was the last time you had your oil chair.

SPEAKER_00 15:22

I mean, yeah, that's pretty scary. I could I can get behind that one right there.

SPEAKER_01 15:28

I have removed the catalytic converter.

SPEAKER_06 15:34

Catalytic converter sounds really good in that accent. Uh, David, when uh I brought this podcast up to you, you gave me a relatively short list of movies that you were interested in doing. Um, we ended up on Treasure Planet. Treasure Planet, what does this movie mean to you?

SPEAKER_00 15:53

Oh man, uh it's funny. I actually watched this again last night in preparation for um uh for this for the show, and I had actually forgotten how much inspiration in my other projects I actually have pulled from Treasure Planet. Um I was sitting there and we we have a cat tree very sillily basically in front of our TV, and it blocks a good portion of the TV, but we have a small apartment, so and and we love our cats, so we want them to be happy. Um, but I was sitting there and uh my cat or one of my cats was sitting there watching the movie with me, and it's very cute. They'll they'll like they'll get up on their little perches and like watch us game or watch watch the movies that we're watching, and it's very cute. But I was uh sitting there uh watching my my little kitten watch it, and I started thinking back, I'm like, oh, it's really cute. She's watching one of my favorite movies, and then I was like, I sort of have her because of this movie, and then I started looking around and I'm like, I'm I'm sort of living in the space that I am living right now and doing a lot of the more creative, professional things I am right now because of this movie. Um so we did a uh we did a D podcast or a DD uh actual play a couple years ago called Supernova for one of the shows I work on called Story Quest, and it is very uh loosely but also not loosely based off of Treasure Planet. Um, and because of that show, I I am now dating the person that I am, and I have these two little cats, and I live up in Burbank where uh where I live with with my partner, and uh we've we've been able to meet a lot of folks in the D D and TTRPG space, and we've been able to sort of maneuver through different projects and work on different projects because of in a in a slightly roundabout way because of Treasure Planet. So uh in in the more in more recent times, it has meant a lot to me, like very creatively and personally, but also just growing up, I I very much identified with uh Jim Hawkins and just sort of his I struggle for looking for like identity and wanting to be more and not really knowing where to go or who to follow or who to be with who to be basically. And yeah, so that's sort of a long-ish uh explanation of yeah, it means a lot to me.

SPEAKER_02 18:18

That's a really good story, Dave. That's I thought that's emotional and good. Um, my only question for you is if you love your cats so much, why do you take away their loudest and most funny voice?

SPEAKER_00 18:27

I'm not gonna lie, he is sitting there looking at me right now, like I just took his child away from him. But it's funny, we've had have you ever seen those little like it's like a sort of like a pyramid with like tracks in it that little balls can roll around in? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we've had this for like two years now. He's not even looked at that thing once, and now that I'm recording something, he's like, oh, you know what? I'm gonna hit all three of those balls constantly, and it's just like making this like rattle noise. But yeah, no, Saka, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_06 18:54

I think that's the rule of cat. It's like, what can I do in the moment that is the most inconvenient and annoying for whatever it is you're trying to do? Um I I wanted to speak a little bit about the cat watching the movie thing, and then we'll I'll I have some more questions for you. But I think it's so cool, speaking of the advance advance of technology that we've seen over our lives. But animals uh in like a CRTV day looking at a screen would essentially just see like kind of a rotating flash of light. They wouldn't be able to perceive how the images were being presented through that technology. So they would just kind of see like this rolling light um like pulsing on the screen. Uh, because of like HD TV and 4K and all that stuff, this is the first time that our pets can perceive what is actually happening on the screens. Huh. Yeah. And so I think it's like very cool now that we get to like see dogs and cats watch movies.

SPEAKER_00 19:54

Damn, what a what a crazy like unlock for for a whole species. Just like, what are these like glowing boxes these humans were always staring at? Then it's like, whoa!

SPEAKER_02 20:04

There's stuff on the you can imagine the confusion when I bought the uh 4K version of swordfish uh because I thought it was something my cat would like because it was a swordfish, and oh god, was that was that a mistake?

SPEAKER_06 20:18

My cat hates it. It was like I want to smell John Triple's fingers.

SPEAKER_00 20:24

Your cat, oh your cat told you that.

SPEAKER_06 20:26

Uh yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But to speak to your emotional core with this movie, David, I totally understand that. I think for both Jude and I, our first time watching this movie was last night.

SPEAKER_02 20:42

A hundred percent. I was like, I fucking miss this movie. I don't know how. Yeah. Like, I feel like it was like prime Disney age for me. And also, it seemed like the movie was made specifically for me. Like I was like, oh, I'm like an 11 or 12 year old or whatever at this time. They're like, it's like kind of a kid's movie, but it's also like kind of like a little bit like grittier than I don't know, like Pocahontas or something. So I'm like, why didn't I see this movie? What what was keeping me from seeing Treasure Planet?

SPEAKER_06 21:13

Just watching the watching the opening scene that like fades into his like solar surfing scene, I was like, this would have been an obsession.

SPEAKER_00 21:25

Yeah, and it's and it's fine ass mom. Dude, everything about that movie, like I was I I was watching last night as well, and I the it stood out to me the the animation, every every creature and everything in that movie looks so cool. Like it's the the the the riz of that movie is just is it's cool.

SPEAKER_06 21:46

I have a very specific note just quickly that says creatureslash character design is like peak in awesome, it's perfect.

SPEAKER_02 21:54

Okay, so then the okay, so first off, watch the movie for the first time last night. I loved it. I thought it was like super fun. I was like, I can't. Wait until I can show my daughter this movie. She's gonna love it. Um, but I think the thing is, I my brain was like, why wasn't this successful? The reasons I came up with was it was too close to 9-11. Um, and then also like there's no really like music in it other than the Johnny Resnick from the Goo Goo dolls, like the worst songs I've ever heard, like interspersed in between. So I was like, okay, maybe that's it. Like, cause at least like Lilo and Stitch, which is like a piece of shit compared to Treasure Planet, um, other than her sister's super fine, uh, but nothing compared to his mom, um, is that like Lilo and Stitch had like a fun soundtrack, and this just had like literally like not even B sides of Goo Good songs, like like the worst Goo Good Goll songs you can imagine.

SPEAKER_03 22:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 22:50

Wait, if we're getting into this right away, we we let's let's focus in on it because I m my first note was like if you guys are familiar with the Dune soundtrack, um Han Zimmer recalls like watching Star Wars and being so taken by these like far-flung ideas and like this technology and all this kind of like very non-you know humanoid stuff, and then listening to kind of the sweeping John Williams score, he's like, it's gorgeous, it so facilitates the movie, but on this distant planet, they're like playing a violin. Um, and so for the Dune soundtrack, he was like, I want the music to sound alien, I want it to sound like it's like nothing anybody has ever really heard before. And this starts off, and the music is very much like you're listening to The Little Mermaid, like the background is like doo-doo-da-do. And I was like, okay, I like kind of do like the contrast with you know the steampunky spacefaring technology that we're seeing at play here. Not none of the score is impressive really in any way, and then there is one contemporary rock song.

unknown 24:04

Yep.

SPEAKER_06 24:05

And I remember hearing this song so much on the radio when I was a kid, and then last night to find out that it was written specifically for Treasure Planet is crazy.

SPEAKER_00 24:20

It it it's weird because uh music is such an important, like, big part of of movies, and like the uh just just to switch um tangents here just a little bit. The have you ever seen the the show Arcane? Of course, cool. I have never been vi as violently ripped out of a the immersion of a story as the moment in Arcane when the the theme song from Imagine Dragon plays in the middle of the of the show when they're like walking through the the stacks or or wherever they're I forget what it's called. I I remember watching that and being like the intro is really cool, and then like you get into the move, get into the show, and it like all of a sudden you see the Imagine Dragon guys animated to be in Arcane. They're playing the theme song of the show like to the camera, they're breaking the fourth wall. And I remember just being like, What the hell is going on here? I don't like this show anymore. This is horrible. So like I feel like going back to Treasure Planet in that moment where they play the Google Doll songs, the Google doll song, it doesn't do that for me for some reason. It fits a lot better, and it makes just much more of like an emotional sort of montage, like it just makes it make a makes it make a lot more sense. So I feel like it's very very tricky to do that because like you were saying, it's the only song with words in it throughout the throughout the movie, and it's the only song that isn't like a Han Zimmer, uh uh John Williams-esque score, like underlying like the animation. So it it I think they did a good job with it, but it it is kind of funny when you think about it in solo.

SPEAKER_06 25:57

Yeah, I think it it it it fits as kind of a fulcrum piece because it does provide your emotional core to the story. You find out like all this motivation behind Jim's troubled nature and and stuff, but it is just so jarring like when you're watching it, and then all of a sudden it's like, ah, want a moment to be real, wanna touch things. And it's called I'm Still Here, and that's how I remember it, like listed on like on the radio, but in parentheses it's called Jim's song. Jim's song, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 26:30

Dude, Johnny Resnick is like the fucking king of Buffalo, man. He's like one of the only things they love him there, dude. They love Johnny Resnick. My wife is from Buffalo, and we went to her best friend's wedding, and I was with her um like one of her other friend's husbands or whatever. Like, you know, you like hang around before the wedding, and we like drove into Buffalo, and he's like, Alright, we gotta we gotta put on the theme. And he put on that song that was like, Nat's net the world begin. And we saw like the Buffalo skyline in the background, and and Chris, Chris is the friend, he's actually like very funny, but he was like, Yeah, it's it's pretty stupid, but we like it.

SPEAKER_06 27:07

Yeah. Well, and of course, you were chugging uh Cabernet and Syrah at the time.

SPEAKER_00 27:12

Edward Forty hands.

SPEAKER_02 27:14

We had just finished listening to the Cherry Poppin' Daddy's uh first album, uh, so we were ready to like kind of tone it down. Um but yeah, dude, Treasure Planet was fucking awesome. I I loved it like straight from the straight from the fucking jump. And it's like it's also like one of those stories where it was like a weird relationship between Jim and uh Silver because it's like they kind of keep teasing that like Silver is the bad guy, and then like the relationship that he has with him is like very, I don't know, it's very uh like father and son in an unexpected way. It felt like if this was released in 2020, um, there would be thousands of fucking articles that would be like the heterosexual male relationship between Silver and John is a confounding and powerful thing. You know what I mean? Yeah, like it was like actually good.

SPEAKER_00 28:09

It was and I think that's one of the reasons I really like it because I I I don't feel like there's a lot of stories and I know there's a there's a bunch, but I feel like uh in the mainstream, I feel like there's not a lot of stories about like brothers and a like a like a a father-son relationship in that way, and I and I feel like that also might be one of the reasons why it wasn't as popular going back to what you're what you're talking about earlier, because I think it is it is not a like traditional like love story or like a story that like of kids like you're talking about Lelo and Stitch, like a little kid and her friend trying to like learn and and grow versus like this I'm a father, so I'm a sort of father to this guy, I'm also evil, but like I'm gonna teach him how to be a man, but I also am gonna steal from him. It's complicated.

SPEAKER_02 28:58

It's a lot more complicated, right? Because in Lilo and Stitch, the parents just die, right? And like in the in the in the easier version of this movie, uh Long John Silver would have been his dad. You know what I mean? Or like would have actually been his dad or something, and he had to run away because of something important. Whereas this movie was just like, no, he just kind of fucking left.

SPEAKER_03 29:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:18

And you're left with this really messy, like very real depiction of uh a fucking dad walking out on the fucking finest cartoon mom I've seen in years.

SPEAKER_00 29:31

Yeah. The the attractiveness of everyone in this goddamn movie is is crazy. Like I remember as a small child when uh when he gets on the ship for the first time and the captain, Captain Amelia rolls up, just being like, oh, hot. There's a cat captain. What are these feelings I have in my in my soul right now?

SPEAKER_02 29:52

That that's why all your cats are like currently wearing lingerie.

SPEAKER_00 29:55

Honestly, there might be something to that. Yeah. They're they're playing with their toys, wearing lingerie, just sitting around.

SPEAKER_06 30:01

Never never piece that together. Everybody talks about the awakening of you know the Fox Robin Hood, but there's a whole generation that were triggered by Captain Amelia from Treasure Planet.

SPEAKER_02 30:12

Yeah, fucking Niles Crane, dude. That's the hottest thing I can imagine.

SPEAKER_06 30:16

All right, let's just okay, let's just get into that quickly. Our main character, Jim Hawkins, Joseph Gordon Levin. Uh, you you mean Don Juan? Or Don? Don John himself.

SPEAKER_02 30:28

Hot mom Laurie Metcalf.

SPEAKER_06 30:31

Let's go!

SPEAKER_02 30:32

Dude, I would love to see this combo. I would love to see this stepmom stuck in a washing machine.

SPEAKER_06 30:38

Lori Metcalf, I think, one of the greatest living actors today. The Captain Amelia is uh Emma Thompson. Really? I didn't know that. That's amazing. Um, the dog guy, or what like Dr. Dilbert? You guys said fine characters. Everybody's nose is way too far down on their face. I'm gonna push back on that. Everybody's nose is like just above their lips, and then there's like this weird no man's land, and then their eyes just float in it.

SPEAKER_02 31:04

Yes, I did kind of get creeped out by that. I was like, I'm gonna dream about this later.

SPEAKER_06 31:08

And then I guess, yeah, I guess Niles Crane, um, David Hyde Pierce, again, incredible actor, um, is supposed to be some sort of like dog alien. And I and you can tell that because on his wall in his like study, there's a bunch of like famous dog aliens of note in portraits. But his character design just looks like some melting freak of nature.

SPEAKER_02 31:31

It yeah, they also feed him in in a bowl.

SPEAKER_00 31:36

Out of like a dog bowl.

SPEAKER_02 31:39

Yeah, but like with a spoon.

SPEAKER_00 31:41

Yeah. He's trying to be all proper, but he eats like a out of like kibbles and bits out of a dog bowl. It's very funny. But it uh to the to the to that kind of droopy um like our uh character design. I remember seeing a long a long time ago, speaking of Lilo and Stitch again, I I think I could be fully wrong on this. I think these were made around the same time, Lilo and Stitch and Treasure Planet.

SPEAKER_02 32:01

I it makes sense because it looks like some of the aliens they were kind of like, uh, use the cell from the fucking thing.

SPEAKER_00 32:07

So I remember watching this this uh on uh on like a DVD extra feature, like a thing with one of the animators talking about how they designed the characters and how they designed um like just the different look for the looks for the movies. And I I don't know why this is stuck with me so long, but it's like the character the animator was like, I wanted to design for Lilo and Stitch, and it seems very similar for Treasure Planet. I wanted to design it like you're picking up a bag of water, so everything is is kind of like flowing down a little bit and like it's everything kind of like bunches up at the bottom. And I think that I don't know why that stuck out with me, but I think there's some similar takes on a lot of these aliens in in this in Treasure Planet because yeah, it looks like they're very, like you said, Jojo, very melty, and it's it's it's interesting to feel kind of like nautical in contrast to this like yeah, open space thing. Well, I also noticed, and and I thought this was one of the other reasons I like the another reason I like this movie is it blends it's blending like three things. It's blending like nautical, old, like Victorian style, like adventure, like treasure, treasure island style stuff with space and with like animation. And I've noted I noticed speaking of the mom character, they did something I don't know if this is intentional or not, but her the bang her bangs, they're not like hard separated like lines. It's it looks very tentacle y, like there, there's like there's like this like graceful kind of swoop to her bangs. And I'm like, I think they did that on purpose because it makes it look more alien and makes it look more uh just like distinct. And I think there's a lot of little subtle things like that that they do throughout the movie where it's like you'll take something from this old like Victorian era, Treasure Islands, uh Treasure Island era, and like just do a little bit of a tweak on it to make it like feel like this space like animation thing. It's very, very cool.

SPEAKER_02 33:53

Yeah, I was I I want to drink some purp juice. I don't know about you guys.

SPEAKER_00 33:57

That's the those oh yeah, it's like a like a purple lemon, it looks so good.

SPEAKER_06 34:01

Yeah, I was like, it's like a plum lemon. In my mind, it had sort of like a pear or potato consistency. I could see that. Um, but probably tastes a lot better. Um, just quickly, David, to to touch on one more thing regarding the voice acting. Um, as a famously uh deep voiced man, um our narrator opening. Oh my god, great Tony J. So good. I mean, uh an epic voice that like defined my childhood from the King's Quest series to like every, you know, um Legacy of Kane. He um was in just a voice that like changed my life.

SPEAKER_00 34:43

Yeah. I'd forgotten about that little detail until last night as well, watching it. Like the opening line is just like this this like rumble in your bones of this like beautiful chocolatey voiced man where you're just like, what the hell is going on here? And it I feel like it just sets the tone so well of just this like epic adventure, like to your point of like with King's Quest and all these other sort of amazing adventure stories that that voice has been a part of. It it just sets the tone so well of just like, all right, we're about to go on like this fun, like awesome adventure.

SPEAKER_02 35:11

And yeah, he's also the voice the narrator from the haunted mansion.

SPEAKER_00 35:15

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:17

Very, very digital.

SPEAKER_02 35:18

Yeah, that's the yeah, exactly. Dude, can you imagine getting sucked off for the first time on the haunted mansion? And he's like, Yo, now entering the the Forbidden Chamber. You're like, oh, oh god, I'm associating this voice with sex for the rest of my life.

SPEAKER_00 35:35

I mean, honestly, um, there's worse voices to associate with sex. Yeah, that's true. That's true.

SPEAKER_02 35:40

It's kind of like Marvin Gaye a little bit. They should do like a Tony J sings Marvin Gay albums.

SPEAKER_06 35:51

The we we get introduced to Long John Silver uh when he's paired up with Jim Hawkins, and you know, he's like the cyborg, beware of the cyborg. Uh-huh. Uh when Long John Silver starts cooking the fish with his robot arm, it's one of the coolest robotes I've seen animated in like quite a while.

SPEAKER_00 36:12

When I was in film school, we I had to take a few animation classes, and I remember uh I took a class from this uh some someone who used to work at Disney. I don't know if he worked on Treasure Planet or not, but his name was Hendel Boutoy. Um and he he would talk about those sequences of like there's always like one sequence where the animators just like they're like cool, we don't care about budget, we don't care about anything, we're just gonna we're just gonna have fun with it and just like pop off. And I think that was that scene for this movie. Because yeah, like the little articulations of his hand and the little like all the different little things he's cutting up and like the way the camera swoops around him. It it's it's very it's a very memorable, very impressive scene.

SPEAKER_06 36:53

Yeah, just the blending in general of the 3D and 2D animation in this movie is like so impressive.

SPEAKER_00 36:59

Yeah, usually that that bothers me, like seeing like really cool hand-drawn, like 2D stuff, and then like 3D CGI, like very clearly like different animation style in uh that usually bothers me in animations, but for this one it like it fit really well. I don't know why.

SPEAKER_06 37:14

You guys talked a lot about like the um um the really like strong emotional connection between Long John Silver and Jim Hawkins, and how you know articles would be written about like what a great portrayal of you know masculinity and heterosexual love it is. But there's there's there's quite a lot of scenes where I was like, Long John Silver does this, you know, like he's adept at manipulating people, he's created a crew of N'erduelles and probably vagabonds and people who've lost fathers over their lives and turned them into criminals and Cretans, and uh Long John Silver is a groomer.

SPEAKER_00 37:58

I I think you're right. I think you're absolutely right.

SPEAKER_02 38:01

That's Jordan's that's Jordan's 2020 article. Jordan's Silver is a groomer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 38:08

Well, because like, you know, he's definitely like 20,000 retweets. Yeah. He's like, hey, this kid lost his dad. I know how to like take that place and manipulate him and use the right words and provide the right, you know, like little moments of comfort. And then there's a moment where like Jim is like kind of talking, or like, you know, he's like overcome with the emotion of like connecting with this older man, and he starts to cry, and he just like lays his forehead down onto Long John Silver's big beer belly, and then it cuts to like a shoulders up shot of Long John Silver's reaction, and it almost looks like he's like, Is this kid gonna suck my fucking dick right now?

SPEAKER_02 38:54

I think your brain did that, Jordan.

SPEAKER_00 38:56

Well, no, I think I think you're onto something because there they're and I think this is a sort of an issue with animation sometimes, but there was a few moments watching it last night where I there where the the the the way the shot was, the way like the the shot lingered on Long John Silver or John or uh Jim, it it did give sort of like this uh more of a romantic flair to it at times, which I thought was interesting, and I was like, maybe this is just my mind at this moment, but like there was a few moments where I think specifically when they're like coming back from there's there's a scene where they where uh Silver takes John out on uh on a skiff or whatever, and they come back, and like while the the the skiff is like coming back up into the main ship, there's like a just a little banter going on, and I'm like, this is like a little too flirty for like what you're trying to portray in this moment.

SPEAKER_02 39:48

There's there's multiple times where I thought Morph was gonna suck Jim's dick.

SPEAKER_06 39:53

Oh, imagine that little ooze, that little ooze that can turn into anything, anything.

SPEAKER_02 40:00

That's my that's actually a segment that I brought in. Like, what's your morph fantasy?

SPEAKER_00 40:06

Your morph fantasy.

SPEAKER_06 40:07

If you get morph to turn into any orifice, what orifice would it be?

SPEAKER_00 40:12

I mean, I think there's the obvious answer, the an ear, ear. Everyone's most favorite sexual ear. Everyone's favorite hole.

SPEAKER_06 40:24

Just to kind of uh ride these solar winds uh through to the end, um, I I and kind of what they do is like if this was a movie made today, every five, ten minutes we'd be getting like another set piece. Yeah, but they're really letting the emotional core of the story drive it forward. You get the one big set piece uh with the black hole, which is like once again, like a pretty well cool animated sequence. Um, and it's like exciting and fun, but they just go straight to treasure planet. There's yeah, there's like no other planets or anything, no other stops along the way.

SPEAKER_00 41:00

And I think that I mean that kind of goes, I know we were we were goofing about it, but it kind of goes back to I feel like like the emotional heart of this movie, which is the relationship between John and Silver Jim and Silver, and because yeah, I was I was I remember watching it last night and thinking, I was like, wow, we're we're like flying through this, like we're like already at Treasure Planet. I remember so many other things happening. Um but it it's funny because I I feel like we to your point of like if a movie was made nowadays, there'd be much more of like a spectacle behind it. And not to say that that's bad or or this is is better or whatever, but it it's interesting how when I f when you when the story is I feel like more solid and more like front and center, you don't need those extra like superlatives around it to like to to sell the movie. Um not to say that it wouldn't have been cool to see like a I don't know like a water planet or a planet where everything is the everything is just the hot moms or whatever, but yeah um but yeah it just it um that stood stood out to me last night too of just like yeah there's not all this like we're in space we're in this these amazing beautiful galaxies but it it just focuses on these this these two people on this like kind of small pirate ship and I thought I just thought that was kind of interesting.

SPEAKER_02 42:12

I I was I was thinking about this too, but I think the answer is simpler. I think at that time there was probably like a Disney executive that was like, there's no fucking way that this movie's gonna be longer than fucking 88 minutes. I'm sorry. That's exactly that's it. Like, so make it work. So like that's how long it's gonna fucking be, and that's it. That's how long a kid can sit and stare at a screen before they have to poop. Like, that's that's it. So whatever emotion you want, it has to be in there, yeah. And then in the sequel, we'll do the hot mom slash morph planet. What's your thing?

SPEAKER_00 42:45

Mom slash morph planet. Well, I think there's I don't know, I think there's something to that. Like, I we in a lot of the the projects I've worked been working on recently, there's just been a lot of these interesting creative constraints. And while it's annoying to be like, oh, you can only have a show or a movie or a script, whatever that's this long, or your voice has to be this way, or all the different whatever creative creative constraints we have and all the creative projects we do, I feel like if you view that as a way to like to move your story forward versus like, oh, this is hindering me. It's like this is hindering me versus like, oh cool, I can use this to my advantage. I feel like if you can like get that mindset around creative projects and creative endeavors, I feel like you will end up with something like this where you you don't necessarily do the surface level like yeah, we're going to Hot Mom Planet, we're going to to Lava Planet, we're doing all like the things that you're kind of expecting to see in like a a space pirate adventure. And then you're like, cool, what what does a story actually need? Like what are what are the things we have to focus on because we only have 88 minutes and like three a budget for three planets and a budget for like seven characters. How can we make this story the most impactful, powerful story we can in within those constraints? And just like make it flourish. And I think I think that's something I think about a lot with the different things we work on. And it's it it can be difficult to be told no, but I feel like it with the right mindset you can really like flourish in those environments.

SPEAKER_06 44:16

Oh, 100%. Yeah. Constraint and and boundaries like create oftentimes more interesting things because you're figuring out how to work around those. To speak to the emotional drive, um, Anna and I talk about one of her favorite movies of all time, Anna Squeakels extra episode um that will be released. We talk about X2. Ooh. And similarly, I mean, just reminded of like what a fantastic movie that is. And mostly a lot more set pieces are happening, but it is a story that is about like relationships between people. That is what is driving the plot. Is that like Stryker is a his entire motivation is because of like his relationship with his son and the loss of his wife and all of these things. Yeah. Um, I think Jude is frozen, but let's just keep uh not frozen. He's good on my end, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:11

I'm not frozen, I'm just bored.

SPEAKER_06 45:14

Your face is frozen on my end. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:16

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_00 45:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 45:18

I'm still here now. I've just heard about X2 for a lot. Yeah. Stories that really focus in on that are always more interesting than just looking at the set pieces and creating a McGuffin and saying, like, okay, the characters want or their need is to do the story. And it's like, no, they they're they're human beings or they're creatures with you know internal motivation, and that's what is actually interesting and exciting to people.

SPEAKER_00 45:49

I mean, you're you're you're right on the money with that because we we just saw recently not not to just like dog on a another movie, but we just saw the movie Goat the other night. Have you seen that movie?

SPEAKER_02 46:00

The one with Steph Steph Curry. Yeah, yeah. Exactly that movie. I I wouldn't expect anything good to become high chat.

SPEAKER_00 46:09

I I I wasn't I didn't go into it with high expectations, like my expectations were on the floor, and it still managed to disappoint. But it it it was it was that that's exact that thing you were just talking about, Jojo, of like it was a really beautiful looking movie, and there was a lot of cool, like crazy look at this like sweet basketball dunk, or like we're in a we're in a a court now that has an earthquake going on, whoa, and you're like, okay, cool. And then like like what's going on with your characters, what's going on with your story here? Because like there's there's could be some cool stuff here, but you're you're really just kind of shitting the bed. And sorry if Steph Curry listens to your podcast. I don't mean to just dog on his on his movie.

SPEAKER_02 46:46

He actually he actually produces this podcast. Yeah, we're part of Curry Entertainment. That's great. Also, the fucking the the players that they get in this movie is so funny to me because it's like not even that like relevant basketball players. They have uh Andre Guidala, uh of like 2016 Warriors fame, um Asia Wilson, um, who is a WNBA player, uh Kevin Love also from the 2016 Finals, and Dwayne Wade from 2014. So all the kid all the basketball players kids love. Yeah. Uh everyone's famous. Andrew Bogett. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 47:27

I think they probably they probably went for the ones that have like good VO voices more so than anything. Because do you remember that like NBA game where they just used all the actual players for the story mode, and every line came out sounding like, hey, you better get your if you haven't watched this video, go on YouTube and watch clips of like the worst VO of all time in a video game, because that game notoriously is like every line sounds like it's their first take. They have no idea what the fuck they're saying.

SPEAKER_02 48:03

That's a good point. I also like, yeah, because some of these guys, what's his name? Um Kawhi Leonard or whatever, the guy that's got the Clippers that now plays for the Raptors, is like the most uncharismatic human being I think I've ever seen in my entire life. Um what I don't understand here. I'm sorry to go on a tangent too. No, please I went to go see a I went to go see a Broadway play called The Lost Boys last month. Yeah, it's a good play. And under producer credits was Steph Curry. I'm like, what the fuck are you doing, dude? Where how are you where what are you doing here?

SPEAKER_00 48:35

Just dipping his toes, seeing seeing where uh where he is.

SPEAKER_02 48:38

This guy is fucking producing everything. That's so funny.

SPEAKER_00 48:41

What what did you think of Lost Boys, by the way?

SPEAKER_02 48:44

Um I thought it was interesting. Uh I I thought it was uh it was so I think the the kind of insult, not the insult, but like the critique everyone's critique of Broadway shows is that like they have a cast of like four people and there's like two people playing live music and the set is terrible, but like it's a good show or whatever, and it's like the for what they the resources they're working with, it's great. The Lost Boys is like, I'm gonna fucking they're gonna be on dirt bikes, and then they're gonna fucking go off of a cliff, and then they're gonna fucking levitate and then they're gonna sing. So it ends up looking like a theme park show almost.

SPEAKER_00 49:19

Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 49:20

Like it but it's like the best version of that. Like someone gets shot with a crossbow and then like erupts into flames at one point, and you're like, how the fuck did they do that?

SPEAKER_00 49:30

That's intense. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 49:31

Yeah, but I wouldn't say like, oh, the music is great, and like the story is like, Oh, I was a vampire the whole time!

SPEAKER_06 49:36

Ah well, I also think that's you know, we're speaking to the movies, it's like a lot of Broadway these days, uh, especially you know, like the big money Broadway, is spectacle over story, all those things. You've got your Harry Potter, and people are like, Yeah, it's not a great show, but just watching it is so incredible. You're like, how did they do that? Um, the entire like frozen sequence, the let it go sequence in Frozen is like people are like, that's reason enough to go see that show. Yeah, and yeah, everything I've heard about Lost Boys is like staging, all this stuff is incredible. Music, not great. Um just to get towards the end of the movie, my um last notes, tell me any thoughts you might have on here. Late game Martin Short edition.

SPEAKER_00 50:21

Yeah, I I always think or I've always thought it it's interesting because like Ben, the character Martin Short plays, Ben feels very much like a sidekick, and actually I feel like kind of steals the show from Morph once he becomes a thing. But it's it's always I feel like it's always weird when like like two sidekicks show up, and it's like yeah, it it feels like kind of distracting and kind of sort of like a repeated beat. And I think it it's interesting, and and I think this actually goes back to something we were talking about. I I think there was more to the treasure planet like section of that, uh of that of Treasure Planet, and I think they probably got to a point where they're like, oh, we only have 88 minutes or we have 90 minutes or whatever, and I think they had to cut a bunch of treasure planet stuff because like it it it flows well and it makes sense, but it just feels like there's so much more depth that was already there that they just we just like never even touch on, which is interesting.

SPEAKER_06 51:18

David, this was literally my next note. Oh, nice, okay. The movie has such like a good flow, and then you get to Treasure Planet, and you're like, wait, what what happened in between this bit? It gets kind of clunky.

SPEAKER_00 51:31

Well, there was the one that stood out to me last night when I was watching it, like there's a scene where like uh Jim and his crew are like holed up in this like hut tower thing, the pirates are outside. Jim finds like this like uh this like passageway out and like gets right behind the pirates and they're like, we gotta get to the ship and and turn off the cannons or whatever. And then uh Ben is like, How are we gonna do that? And like Jim just like classically just like looks over at the at the pirate skiff, and the next thing we see is just like them on the ship. And I'm like, we didn't see any of this like cool little moment where Jim has to like sneak past Silver to steal his ship to go get his other ship, and it's like it's not like the biggest travesty, but uh, it was just like I was like, Whoa, they're they're just like cutting through this so quickly.

SPEAKER_06 52:14

You find out the entire core of the planet is like hollow and filled with technology, and then they're just like, let's go inside, and then it cuts to them like exiting out the other side.

SPEAKER_02 52:24

Well, is it the other side even? They have set out like another tube that's like I don't know, like 700 feet away, but they show it and it's like an abyss. Yeah, I was confused about that. But I wasn't confused. That is peak Martin Short. Yeah. It's like I feel like it's like Clifford version. Have you guys seen the movie Clifford? Yeah. Oh my god, such fucking good Martin Short shit going on in that one. I was like, oh, they got him in the room for like 15 minutes. They're like, we just gotta let him loose. It's like Clifford and on its way to Jim and Eagleic. Yeah. Yes. I have a question for Dave. Yeah. I'm looking at the cast list for goat, um, and I see here that David I see here that David Harbor uh is playing Archie Everhart in Indian rhinoceros. Does he have an accent?

SPEAKER_00 53:10

Oh I'm trying to remember because I I think I went in kind of I think I went into kind of a fugue state while watching this movie because there was just so much going on. No, he doesn't he doesn't have like a horrible Indian accent. Oh, that's a shame. I know. It well it it is and it isn't because like good on them for having that level of of awareness, but also don't be cowards, y'all. Like fucking letter rip.

SPEAKER_02 53:40

How do you think this animal native to India is supposed to top?

SPEAKER_00 53:45

Let's cast David Harbor for it. That seems like a good crossover.

SPEAKER_02 53:51

Yeah, classic basketball associated David Harbor.

SPEAKER_00 53:55

Also fully Indian.

SPEAKER_06 53:57

My last two notes here um is just uh, you know, the the whole action sequence happens, uh, the treasure gets destroyed, um because Long John Silver decides to save Jim over saving the treasure. Um and then uh David uh David Hyde Pierce, Niles Crane, and Hot Captain Cat get together and they have babies. And what this teaches us is that cats are girls and dogs are boys.

SPEAKER_02 54:25

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 54:26

I knew that. And also cats and dogs can have cats and dogs with each other because they're the kids aren't like a blending of cat and dog. It's like all like to your point, JoJo, all the all the girl, the the girls that are the baby girls are cats, and there's one like dog. It's like, so did this cat give birth to a dog?

SPEAKER_02 54:49

Yeah, so like that was in the other version of the movie where it showed all their genitalia. Oh, when they had more time, you got to see the captain and Gelbert's uh red rockets and stuff. Just ranting.

SPEAKER_05 55:03

Actually, technically and physiologically, we are the same species, just male and female present in different ways. Oh, just don't go down there. Oh goodness gracious, me. Oh no.

SPEAKER_00 55:15

Not on this rocket ship, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_06 55:18

Not on the carpets. My last note here is that the movie's final shot is of the clouds and long John Silver's just ugly, disgusting face.

SPEAKER_02 55:30

I hated the way that that looked, dude. But the clouds were made of skin.

SPEAKER_00 55:34

The thing that pissed me off about yeah, because seeing like the music is swelling, Jim finally is like a realized like adult, and he's like, I'm doing it, mom. I now I'm wearing white clothes instead of black clothes. Look at how much I've grown. And then it's I'm a cop now. Exactly. Um it it zooms out, and yeah, we see this like horrifying, almost like it looks like a bunch of mashed potatoes decided to become Long John Silver. But the thing that pisses me off most about that is I bet when they were animating that, they were like, guys, this is it. We have found the perfect way to end this movie. We're everyone's gonna love this, and it's gonna be the and and then when they see it on the big screen, it's like, ugh. What did we do?

SPEAKER_06 56:22

Why it was rough. It was rough. Yeah, it's such a weird way to end the movie. Like, either don't do it or make long John Silver hot.

SPEAKER_00 56:34

Or yeah, or just like make him there, like like looking at John over the hill or Jim, what are you calling him John? Looking at Jim over the hill or something. There were so many the idea is good, the execution was horrible, horrifying.

SPEAKER_02 56:46

It was like an animator that everybody liked, and he's like, Oh, I made this amazing cloud thing, and they're like, Oh, uh, Johnny made this cloud thing, we gotta show it. And they were like, Oh, we trust him, just put it in the final edit. Like, we trust him, and then it like they shows and they're like, Oh, it's so gross.

SPEAKER_00 57:04

I wonder how often that happens because I feel like I've seen that happen on film sets and like other situations where like someone with like more experience shows up, or someone who has like more clout or more success, whatever shows up and they're like, guys, I got this. And then the thing they do, you're like, the fuck? So I wonder, I wonder how often that happens in animation, because like I feel like it's harder to like take back thousands of frames, thousands of drawn frames, and be like, you know what, let's just uh let's try something else. Like we're kind of locked into this.

SPEAKER_06 57:34

I watched a video, um, a long form essay called The Tragic Irony of Treasure Planet on YouTube this morning. Um, just to kind of get a little more like in-depth uh like thought process on what is happening. And really the guy's talking about how like you know, we I see saw a lot of interviews with the animators, found out that John Resnick um wrote the lyrics to that song in studio the day of. They already had the music all planned out, but he wrote all the lyrics day of in studio. But really, what he talks about is that like this was a work of art, um, and how art can never be true art can never be pursued in in in hopes of like money, and how that is like reflected in the story is that like when the goal is treasure, then the ultimate goal of like being human or creating something beautiful or like building relationships is uh lost. It really showed how like this movie has become a cult classic over so many years because I do think it existed in kind of this little lost nexus of animated movies of the time, uh like your Titan AE, your Road to El Dorado, your brother bear, your spirit uh stallion of the Cimarin. Um where it's just like uh it like people weren't seeing as many animated movies at that time. But because it has created kind of a cult following, David, uh, we've been tasked with creating sequel all these many years later. Um Jude and I would love to hear what pitches you have for a sequel to Treasure Planet.

SPEAKER_00 59:17

Got it. I've got three pitches, and I'll go in order of my my favorite from least to most favorite. Um I think the the easy easy pitch for for the first uh sequel is um just like silver just needs silver finds another another mystical treasure map, can't do it alone, brings uh John Why do I keep calling him John? Brings Jim out of uh retirement from his his nice, cushy, cushy life, and they they go off and find basically just redo the first one. I think I think that's like the easy, easy first pitch, and that's why I like it the least. I think a second uh cool pitch is the we were talking we talked about the kids, uh the the cat and dog kids a second ago. Yes, yes. I I think it would be super super cool if we we fast forward uh another 12, 15 years where the kids are uh 15, 16, something like that. One of the kids, probably the little boy, just because he's he's the only one that is different than the other ones.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:34

He's the he's the one with the rattle.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:36

Yeah, he's the one with the rattle. He uh goes off and gets uh corrupted by pirates and starts uh terrorizing spaceports, starts basically becoming another a new version of Captain Flynn, and and Jim has to go and and stop this little boy because he's now he's now part of like the the space police, so he has to go stop basically his like nephew on this from like terrorizing the spaceports, and then he and then the nephew starts to get more powerful than Jim, and then Jim has to bring silver back into it, and he's like, Hey, you down for one more one more ride, you down to do this one more time, and uh they they end up having to stop Dr. Dilbert's weird rattled dog son in this uh this new much more dark, much more gritty, much more violent version of Treasure Planet.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:25

Okay, so this is giving me like big last Jedi vibes.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:30

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:31

You've yeah, I was also thinking that like the daughters possibly are like also kind of dark, but maybe they're like kind of Robin Hoodie because they're like cat burglars, you know, and they have like a really like they're really good at synchronizing their moves with each other, they're great at martial arts, that kind of thing. And they kind of are brought on, um, you know, that's like, hey, you gotta go help your like fucked up brother, and they're like, uh, you know, he never called us. He he wasn't like in our lives, he was just kind of like doing his own thing, and now, and then it also like builds their relationship together as well. I think that could be really cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:10

Yeah, and I also see it as like the the brother is kind of a uh almost like an Elon Musk character in the way that he's taken over, he's taken over so much of the universe that almost like his outlawness has become the law. Yeah, I like that. So like he's become more powerful than like the established laws of the universe or whatever. Um, and that makes him that much harder to stop because everything is like integrated into like his little weird plant. He's definitely voiced by Kelsey Grammar, of course, by the way. Um and he's like kind of like, well, this is my free market, you know, and I've I've control all of the markets in this bot. He's kind of like a capitalist like black market freak.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:59

Yeah, I I I can't even imagine what that would be like, dude, to have a government run by crooks and privateers.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:06

Just the most crazy thing ever.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:09

Imagine a universe. Wow. I can imagine it right now. Did you ever hear that uh that uh there's like a quote from Elon Musk, and they're like, he was like, oh, I I I'm depressed, and they're like, why? And it's like, even if I got to Mars, woke would follow me there.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:32

I mean that is that is kind of a hard quote, but that is uh that that's fucked up. I too. I like I like this too because it's it it's turning it it it builds on the first one of like Jim trying to like become this like straight-laced police guy trying to like do it by the books, and then if all of a sudden the more powerful the more powerful thing are these like corrupt pirates, I feel like this sequel that it's like kind of a nice sort of like send off of like Jim, you have to reinvent we have you have to reinvent yourself yet again because now the pirates are good.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:06

Or exactly, and because like it's also funny in the actual treasure planet movie that like they're like oh your kid's bad, and his crime is just like essentially skateboarding. Yeah, like that's like the only thing that he's done that's like bad skateboarding extremely well property or anything.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:22

Like Yeah, he well he he broke that that board. There was a board he broke, and that was the the farmer's favorite black and yellow board.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:33

Yeah, yeah, but uh it is funny to think like, oh, like his re-evaluation of like what the law actually is at this point, you know.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:41

I would extract the physical presence of Long John Silver from the movie, and I would have him like his legacy is left behind. And there's certain things that Jim discovers throughout the movie that like aid him along his way. That's better. And maybe he even then also then begins to see that like throughout his life, even though he maybe only saw Silver in passing, that Silver was like always watching over him and like leaving him these protections and this and this legacy to take up.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:13

Well, that would also be very reminiscent of the first one as well, if like he he leaves Jim, who they don't really talk about it, but he's the only one who can like crack this map, this like fantasy rubic's cube thing. He's the only one who can just like do it. So like I guess you could like build on that. Like Jim does have this like innate ability to like follow clues and like do puzzle puzzle things out. So like maybe Silver, very much like Captain Flynn, like leaves this like trail, like somehow knowing that the the little dog boy is about to become this Elon Musk character. So he like leaves all this trail of like how to stop him, and then Jim has to follow it, and it becomes this big like so yeah, like your point. Silver was always watching and protecting in his way.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:52

Oh, he's like the greatest the greatest weapon is like hidden in this place, and Jim goes to find it, and it's just a big family. Portrait of like all of them after that treasure planet adventure. And the greatest weapon was in fact love.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:07

And then if Jim looks one one degree farther, Silver's actually hidden like a really powerful laser cannon behind the picture. And he's like, In case, in case love doesn't work, here's a really big gun. Go go kill this dog.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:20

And to take it back to your first DVD, Dave, the universe is inside.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:39

It was there the whole time. Oh my goodness. But I I do like this this version. I like this version. I think you made it better. Both of you made it better. I think the Elon Musk, Elon Musk edition and extrapolating silver from this, I think is better.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:55

That's what we do here at Squeakels. We really take your idea, we run it through the Squeakalizer. Every pitch has notes, every draft has updates.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:05

Well, I'm actually trying, I'm trying to get rid of the squeakalizer. I want this podcast to be called The Wet Boys Room, but Jordan won't.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:11

The Wet Boys Room. Sorry. Quick, quick, crazy fucking tangent. Um I I run a I run a show called uh StoryQuest. We have a meeting every Thursday where we we talk, we just could updates on the on the week, things were coming up, blah blah blah blah. At the end of that, uh we have a like a collage every at the end of every meeting, we like find a photo that like represents that meeting. So we've we've built out this like collage of all these different meetings that we've had. And the last one, the last night we added uh was a wet t-shirt, but not for the reasons you think it would be. There's this like crazy billionaire guy that we've been hearing about that, like he's uh he's like, I've cracked aging, I know how to not age anymore. And he like takes his son's blood.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:57

Yes, we love we love him here.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:59

So he that guy's a freak, but there's there's a picture, you guys have probably seen it, where like him and his his father, I think, and his son are all standing in this like very dramatic family photo, but they're all wearing like khaki pants and like wet t-shirts, and it's it's like the grossest, just like oh, what the fuck is wrong with you? Yes. So what you that reminded me, wet t-shirts, wet boys room. It basically all that to be said. If you became the Wet Boys Room podcast, I would, I would, I would endorse that as much as I can.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:34

You'll be our first guest, dude. Or you or that or that guy. What is his name? He's like talking about his wives like cervical bacteria count or something.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:43

Freak, dude. Uh it's it's it's probably Nosferatu, in all honesty, just to bring it back to the the first one. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:51

Um something we're gonna do. Yeah, wet boys, we are Wet Boys. We are very much inspired by the Kid Rock RFK Jr. video in which we learn that like the best way to get wet and sweaty is in full head-to-toe clothing.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:07

Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. When you work out, you gotta be wearing jeans.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:11

You gotta be wearing jeans, you gotta be drinking raw milk. You gotta get that knee sweat.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:17

Get that back of the knee sweat going. Oh, um, all right, David, you've got a third pitch for a third pitch chamber and what is it?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:24

You were talking about having notes for a pitch. Prepare, prepare yourself, both of you, to not have any notes on this pitch whatsoever. Um notes. So if I was to ask you, both of you, in two two boil-down words, two thematic thesis words, what would you say treasure planet is about?

SPEAKER_06 1:09:46

I would say it's about father, like fatherhood.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:49

Bill Dung's Roman Mutt?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:52

I don't know. Coming of age.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:55

Coming so we have coming of age and fatherhood. I think you're both wrong. I think it's about ships and family. What other awesome franchise is about ships and family?

SPEAKER_06 1:10:07

I did have a note earlier and it says, is Star Wars Treasure Planet or is is Treasure Planet Star Wars? Is it Star Wars?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:16

No, it's not Star Wars. It's Fast and Furious. So of course. Uh I think I think the third pitch would be Treasure Planet to Treasure Two Planet, where they they take the first the first ship or the the new house they make gets impounded. Silver rolls back up in a skiff and he's like, We're racing. We gotta we gotta steal back this ship, this house for your mom, Jimbo, and we're gonna do it the only way pirates know how to do by stealing ships with each other. So basically, like a Tokyo drift version of Treasure Planet.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:51

Yes, and there's like a pod racing element that has been there like the whole time, and like this is a sport that we didn't touch in the first one, but it's really the most important thing, and we're doing it, and that's the whole movie, and it's gonna culminate in a race.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:04

Yeah. I mean, I one, I'm just immediately excited by the unlimited sequel potential of this movie because we can keep saying the word family, but we can actually extract any sort of like heart or like joy or emotional core from the movie and just make it a series of action sequences that uh you know exponentially increase in their absurdity. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:29

Okay, also, this is the perfect example where we can introduce Serbian Nosferatu as like the mechanic.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:35

Yeah, you just come up each new movie, you just come up with some ridiculous alien character that they're up in forces against, and then in the next movie they've teamed up with that alien to take on the next guy.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:47

There would be depictions of Eastern Europeans in this movie you wouldn't believe. Like stuff you haven't even heard of. Like there would be fucking the the outside of a coffee shop at 8 a.m. would just be full of guys in tracksuits.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:02

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:02

Uh drinking coffee out of a tiny cup. Yeah. Yeah. Drinking purp juice out of a tiny cup.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:07

I mean, I'm I mean, I I I like I can't see, you're right, I can't see a downside to this. And and just uh the the number of titles, it's like two treasure, two planet, uh treasure planet three, uh Altruvian 5 drift. Yep. Um it's like I mean, Jude, I I'm kind of locked in on this third one.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:30

Yeah, dude, there's just a planet called Kosovo. Kosovo.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:38

The only problem is that like you're already in space, and throughout the Fast and the Furious franchise, we were like, when are they gonna get cars in space? And so like how do you elevate, or how do you like what's the next level time? That would be the hardest thing to discover.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:55

This could be a very interesting thought experiment to where instead of escalating, we de-escalate, and the technology gets worse and worse and worse with each movie, where eventually we go from spaceships to cars and then to like bicycles and razor scooters, and then you could have Vin Diesel, Long John Silver, and Jim uh Jim Hawkins fucking razor scootering around Montresor for pinks. And I I think that would be pretty awesome.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:22

It's like the I think you should leave sketch where the guy like is a motorcycle dude, and then every time he sees something else, he's like, a four-wheeled motorcycle. But it's like they have to they're like Vin Diesel's like Jim, this is a car, and Jim's like, What the fuck is a car? What is the hell?

SPEAKER_00 1:13:43

It's the thing families get into and drive around with families. I do also just love the idea of a scene where like we're setting up this like pod racing event, and like very much in like an Airbud situation, like the bad guy rolls up with like the speedster X3000B, and then Jim rolls up with a Civic, and it's like, what? How is this gonna work? And then somehow, through the power of love and heart, it does. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:11

I'm super excited. I think that like Drew, do you feel good about locking in on this one? Yeah, 100%. Yeah, I'll I'll take on the script because I'm just so motivated by it right now. Um I I think I could even like incorporate some of the ideas of your second pitch into this one because I think we have a great kind of rap session on that too. Um, you know, maybe maybe the villain is somebody within the family, and that's like, you know, that kind of like sets everything off.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:41

This is also crazy because the third pitch is the best. That's usually not how it goes. Usually it's like first pitch is like the most well thought out, second one is like a little bit better, and the third one is like I don't care.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:52

Yeah, well, I I just like I I'm a I'm a disruptor. I just like to shake things out. Crazy sequence.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:59

Crazy sequence, shout out.

unknown 1:15:01

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:03

Let's make it happen. But yeah, if y'all need help writing the script, let me know. I've got uh years and years of writing experience, and uh I'm sure Mayana would also love to jump in on this too.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:13

Alright, so I'm super excited to write this script. Uh, before we go today, um I was thinking about treasure and like the treasures that are physical, you know, and that will give us great wealth. But then I also thought about, you know, the emotional treasures, the things we hold close. Um the greatest things in life are free, as they say. Um and so I went to Reddit, of course, and uh on r/slash asked, uh somebody posed the question, what is the treasure that you guide others to that you cannot possess? Which I think is like an old-fashioned riddle. Um but of course on Reddit uh they they they gave answers of their own. Uh if you have any thoughts on any of these answers, of course, jump in, let me know. Um Moon Man Child says truffles, source I'm a pig.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:12

Wow. I I just want to say 10 out of 10 delivery on that one, Jojo, because I was like ready, I was wanted to be like friendship or advice and mushrooms. I love that.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:22

Well, yeah, of course, you're you're definitely correct. Most of the answers on these are like fulfillment or like love. Um but but it it really does get depressing because it goes to the other end of that, is there's so many answers that are like successful relationships, a marriage. I often set my friends up, but I can't seem to find a love of my own. Uh this uh deleted account, I wonder why they deleted their account. Maybe they fucking deleted their life too. Says I always manage to be the friend that can set a couple up, but I'm also generally socially awkward, so brutal. Yeah, brutal.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:04

Bring it back to Squeakels lore. I would say the kid from the Sixth Sense that says, Do you want to see where my dad hides his gun? Because he can lead you to the gun, but he's a ghost, so he can't play with it anymore. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:17

That's the treasure I lead people to is my dad's gun. Well, I think I think in my situation here, the the treasure I've led uh you both to is hot animated uh moms. So you're welcome for that. I I cannot possess hot animated moms, but please feel free. This is a good idea. Yeah, my mom is unfortunately a human. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:43

That's a treasure that we'll we'll take with us far into the future. Um, the last one, um, Super B on Reddit says a non-suicidal life. I'm not technically suicidal because I want to commit suicide, but I'm too anxious and lazy to go through it.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:03

So boy, hold on. First of all, that's a crazy thing to say. Second of all, how how are they guiding people to a non-suicidal life?

SPEAKER_06 1:18:19

I don't know. I think this might just be the kind of person who tells everybody that they're suicidal.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:25

I I think so, yeah. I well, I hope they're okay. Hope they've they've found whatever uh help they need. That's just a wild thing to pose.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:34

Yeah, what could morph turn into to help this person?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:38

Yeah, how can morph be a spoon for this person? Yes. I mean, actually, if you think about it, morph would have been a solution to everyone's issue here. Morph could turn into treasure, morph could turn into hot moms, morph could turn into a a fulfilled life.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:52

Um yeah, yeah, I I I feel like this person probably like on Reddit, there's a question that's like, what's a food that you've seen on TV but you've never tried? And then somebody he writes, like, a meal that doesn't make me want to commit suicide.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:07

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:11

What color are you? In a way, I'm like, cool, how can we help you? But also, like, if it becomes a thing where it's like, I'm just looking for this attention, it's like, bro, just be quiet.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:25

Like, bro, this is a treasure planet subreddit. Get off. We're sharing our morph ideas, dude. Dude, Bobby just wrote a fucking 90-page spec script about Morph's home planet, and you're talking about killing yourself.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:44

We just we're just here for the hot moms. Why are you talking about killing yourself?

SPEAKER_02 1:19:49

Yeah, the hot mom, the NSFW tag. Hot mom. Mrs. Hawkins.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:53

Treasure Planet Hot Moms. Mrs. Hawkins tab. Mrs. Hawkins.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:00

Yeah. Uh actually, technically, uh, the captain is a mom by the end of the movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:05

It's true, it's true. It's true. Also, just a quick that thinking about that moment, it bothered me, and I don't know why. How it was supposed to be so many years later or whatever, when they had all their kids, and like the dog man, Dilbert, and Amelia are wearing the same fucking clothes that they wore for the entire rest of the movie. And I'm like, why are you guys in the same like pirate? You had kids, you had a whole life. Why are you in your same clothes?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:35

I bet they could have babies like really fast though. You know what I mean? Probably like, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:39

Yeah, what is the gestation period for a feline? I feel like it's relatively quick. Ship captain.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:49

Yeah, I guess she is a ship captain before she is. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Um, well, David, thank you so much for joining us. This is probably the most film-focused discussion we've ever had on this podcast.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:00

Oh, I'm so glad.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:00

Do you have any final thoughts, Jude? Any final thoughts about Treasure Planet?

SPEAKER_02 1:21:06

Um also, it had too many big words, I feel like. That probably didn't help it when it came out. I think at one point they say Palaver. Um great, great word there for the kids. Um, I don't know. I loved it, but I did really enjoy watching this movie. Thank you. And I thought this was a great little it was great meeting you, man. It was a great little thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:24

That was great meeting you as well. I'd I I'd love meeting new folks and just talking about stuff that is important to me, but maybe not important to other people.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:32

So I'll see you on the I'll see you on the the mom section of the Treasure Planet Sub Reddit.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:38

I'll be there with with a not deleted account. I'll be the one talking about suicide.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:44

Uh David, any final thoughts?

SPEAKER_00 1:21:46

It's just uh uh uh gratitude uh that you guys first of all watch this movie because I know it is it is like you said, it's becoming a bit of a cult classic now, but for a while it was just like, why the fuck would you watch that movie? So I appreciate you all watching it, I appreciate you talking about it. But yeah, I think I think what you said something a while ago, George Jojo, was real cool. It's like this movie was made for artistry, and sometimes that is misinterpreted. And I think that's or maybe not misinterpreted, sometimes that's just taken in a different way. And I think that's so inspirational sometimes because it's like even at the top of your game, you can take swings like Mashed Potato, Long John Silver, cloud ending to a movie, and still have a movie, have a story, have a creative project that is fulfilling and fun and something that you're proud of, even if people don't necessarily like every single moment of it. And that's something that I struggle with with a lot of my creative projects. I need everyone to always like this and always like everything that I'm doing, and there can be no bad comments on it, but it's like, no, you can you can still have a very successful movie and not everyone likes it. And I think that's I think that's cool.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:50

Yeah, that's that's how we feel about this podcast, too. It's like no absolutely nobody likes it, um, but we're gonna keep doing it because we believe that every movie deserves a sequel. It's a core tenant of our life and philosophy.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:04

I agree. You've converted me.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:05

With all that being said, thank you everyone so much for joining us for Squequels next week. We're gonna have a sequel to Treasure Planet. Um, I'm very excited about it. Um, you can find David Tilstra on StoryQuest, uh, like an active actual play DD um podcast. Uh StoryQuest, super great. You're like such a great uh dungeon master. You can find us on all social media at Squeak Pod. You can email us if you have an idea for a movie. If you're a great uh, you know, actor, voice actor like David, and you just want to like come on our show, you can email us and say, hey, I want to be on the show. Please leave us a five-star review. Um uh uh on on whatever you're listening to this to. It helps out so much. We're an independently produced podcast, um, and and any help that we can get is always great. David, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you all. This has been amazing. Jude, as always, it's a pleasure to be here with you. Of course. Um, okay, bye. Bye.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:05

Bye, fellas.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:17

Uh, in like two sentences, uh give Jude an explanation on why TTRPGs and uh like game-focused roleplay um is not just for nerd or is not just for uh super uber geeks and is actually a great thing to do.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:35

Uh yeah, so I I one of the reasons I think TTRPGs and actual plays are so important is because it's the the main focus should be group storytelling, so something very similar to what we just did here where it's like, hey, like get a bunch of friends together and we're gonna start telling a story together and we're gonna see where it where it unfolds. And I think that is a a magical device that not that is very rare in this world, a a situation where you can get together and not just be in a not just be a collaborative, but just be like actively participating and creating something together. And I think that's such a powerful, fun, amazing thing that really doesn't happen anywhere in this way, doesn't happen anywhere else other than TTRPGs. So uh yeah, and I can also use swords to fight dragons, so that's yeah, that's pretty cool. Yeah. I'm sold. Jude, response rebuttal?

SPEAKER_02 1:25:29

Uh no, I think it's great. I think that's how they made the Bible, probably. So let's fucking go. Um