S2 E1 The Beckham Effect; no sides into someone else's story

We're back, chaotic microphones and all, and we're kicking off the new season with a conversation that's impossible to ignore. The Beckham family fallout has taken over every social media feed, and rather than just adding to the noise, we're using it as a lens to explore something much deeper: what our reactions to other people's pain actually say about us.

From projection and parental fear, to generational silence, forgiveness, and the grief that comes with family estrangement, this episode goes far beyond celebrity gossip. We also get personal, sharing our own experiences with letting go, setting boundaries, and finding peace without ever getting the apology we deserved.

Whether you've been watching the Beckham family situation unfold or you're just trying to make sense of your own family dynamics, this one's for you.

Key Takeaways:

1. Your reactions reveal your wounds — When we react strongly to someone else's conflict, it's often because it mirrors unresolved pain in our own lives. Psychologically, the people we dislike most can reflect the parts of ourselves we haven't healed yet.
2. There are no sides to someone else's story — Whether it's a celebrity fallout or a friend's divorce, we don't need to choose a team. Everyone has their own truth, and that's okay.
3. Money can be a tool of abuse — Financial control is a real and often overlooked form of emotional abuse. Dismissing someone's pain because of their wealth or privilege misses the point entirely.
4. Family estrangement is not a trend — People stepping back from family relationships aren't following a fashion. Increased access to therapy and mental health tools means more people are finally addressing root causes — not performing rebellion.
5. Forgiveness (or acceptance) sets you free — You don't have to forgive to heal, but releasing the need for acknowledgement or an apology can create profound physical and emotional change.
6. Think before you type — Before posting or commenting on someone else's situation, ask: is this going to help anyone? Or am I reacting from my own open wound?
7. Family dynamics are a web, not a thread — Every estrangement or fallout has a ripple effect across siblings, grandparents, friends, and partners. The grief isn't just one relationship, it's many.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to it reminds the door and died. The fight's the life lost and after. We're taking the conversation to that death. The ones that have, the ones that failed, and the ones that might be laughed until I'm the thing is often. Because that's where the needs are. It's just two points in your air, it's reminded that you're not alone. And we're all more connected than we think.

SPEAKER_01 0:26

A quick note before we start, some of the conversations we have maybe twigging. If at any point you feel uncomfortable, it's okay to pause, step away, or reach out for support. You'll find more guidance and helpful links in the show notes. Look at us in our little blanket.

SPEAKER_00 0:44

So welcome back. This is, as we've just decided, season two of In Two Minds. Yeah. Life, Loss and Laughter. I actually got it right.

SPEAKER_01 0:58

I nearly said love.

SPEAKER_00 1:00

And actually when we hit record, I think what we were planning to do was wrap up on season one. Um because we'd only done nine um is it chapters? What do you call it? Is it episodes? Episodes. We'd only done nine episodes. I have an author. I'll go by chapters. Oh. Oh I actually got this on. No. Oh. Is that going to be a problem then? Do we need to start again?

SPEAKER_01 1:23

Probably. Um how do I turn it on? At the back. Just make sure the green light's on. Where's the green light? The front. Keep going because mine took a minute to get on. There you go.

SPEAKER_00 1:44

Right, okay. Do we need to start again?

SPEAKER_01 1:46

No. This is just unedited, Ali. So Ali might have sounded like a little mouse.

SPEAKER_00 1:52

I might have sounded like a little mouse because I forgot to actually hello.

SPEAKER_01 1:55

Have you just pressed it?

SPEAKER_00 1:57

Oh, I think I've just turned it off. Oh no, I've got it on. Oh, what am I doing? I don't know, yours is a flash of mine's not. Okay. Right, we're here. This is welcome to season two. As you can tell, we're still chaotic and Ali still doesn't know how to use the mic. And I've actually put it in the right place. Anyway, let's go back to what we were saying. So, yeah, um, we talked about the fact that did we need to wrap up season one? Um, because we were gonna have ten episodes, but we only did nine. But then I was like, well, let's see what actually nine means spiritually when it comes to these things, and it means the end of a cycle and it means closure. So, today we're bringing you the very start to season two of I've said it before, In Two Minds, Life, Loss, and Laughter. So, where are we going with today's episode?

SPEAKER_01 2:44

Well, we both had loads of ideas, didn't we? Which is good.

SPEAKER_00 2:47

Yeah. Um, but I think um Do you know something that's really hot in the press at the moment? I mean, it is the only thing you can see on your social media feed. And I'm not I don't want to jump on a bandwagon because it's actually it's not it's actually not boring, I th I think it's actually quite upsetting. Um but it's also interesting and I find it quite fascinating is what's going on with the Beckhams.

SPEAKER_01 3:15

After you um said this this morning. In fact, yeah, I don't think it's saved, you know. I literally went on to my Instagram, and the first thing that comes up is nobody talks about um the grief in this situation. There's a picture of the Beckham's, and I was like, no way, and I thought, who is this? And it's this lady that so the Beckham's no contact and the grief the internet isn't talking about.

SPEAKER_00 3:41

I mean, so true, there is so much grief and so much loss that is happening within that family, and it isn't just the loss of relationship between a mother and son, there's just so much. Do you know who I thought about when it first happened? Harper. Because she's still she's still she's young, isn't she?

SPEAKER_01 3:57

She's what a young when I looked at that photo, my first eyes went to her. Yeah. I thought she was in the middle of all of that.

SPEAKER_00 4:04

This is her, she's a little girl still, and it doesn't matter who you are, um, or what privileges you've had, or what upbringing you've had, like it must be really difficult to see. It must be really hard for her as a child. She's a child.

SPEAKER_01 4:17

Oh, yeah, and she's not independent enough to have her own relationship, probably.

SPEAKER_00 4:20

Yeah. Um but where I was going with it though, was um what I find fascinating when these things happen is what you see being played out on the internet because obviously it's an absolute medium. What's the word? It's a circus, isn't it? It's a frenzy. Everyone's talking about your feed's full of it. I mean, even Victoria's, she's hit number one in the charts, hasn't she? On the way here today, Spice Girls were playing, so there's a lot of money to be made out of this for a lot of them, and all of them are going to get exposure. Even Lisa Johnson put yesterday, just by doing her social media posts have been about it, she's made a few 200 some ink dollars. I mean, I don't quite know how it all that works, but what I find really interesting is when you read other people's comments on the post and their opinions and your thoughts, it's literally the projection you and actually I wrote it. I'm gonna I'm gonna read some of these out because I've actually been writing a post um for socials on this because I find it really interesting, it resonates with some of the things that have been going on in my life. But what you actually what the words I've used today is you can see people's own experiences, identities, and attachments playing out in their reactions and comments on social media. So you've got parents reacting from fear. How dare this child talk about their kids like this? That fear that's a fear of their own parenting being questioned because they are alienated or um detached from their own children or what have you. Then you've got adult children in support of um Brooklyn, Brooklyn, and what they're saying is me too. This is how I feel.

SPEAKER_01 6:10

Do you know what's really interesting though? They have to why do people think that they have to choose a side?

SPEAKER_00 6:16

Exactly this, right? Exactly this, and this part partly because grandparents, aunties, uncles responding from generational beliefs of that's just how it is, or that's just how it was. It's why do we feel that even happens when you go through divorce or a fallout, or even in business, we've experienced this. People seem to think they need to take a side. Yeah, yeah. Why can't you just let people fall out and then even no matter how public it is?

SPEAKER_01 6:48

And we've said in the past, everyone's got their own truth, why can't that be okay?

SPEAKER_00 6:53

So, someone said that that was a toxic behaviour when you say that the other day about that this is my truth, and that triggered me, obviously, because it's something that I say, well, this is my truth. But actually, just because you're saying this is my truth doesn't mean you're saying other people don't have a right to their truth, you're just saying this is where I'm standing right now, and this is how it feels for me right now.

SPEAKER_01 7:13

But what people will do is they'll jump on the bandwagon, this is my truth, and they'll use that to um try and have their bad behaviour accepted.

SPEAKER_00 7:22

Exactly. And that's different, yes, exactly. Then there's lifelong fans who need their idols to be good because questioning your idol and the becker, especially David, question questioning. Um it was quite damning the stuff that Brooklyn said.

SPEAKER_01 7:40

Oh, especially about his mum.

SPEAKER_00 7:41

I was really shocked.

SPEAKER_01 7:42

Yeah, I mean and it went then I automatically went, is this the truth? Is this what he's wrote? And then I went to his social media and I couldn't see a statement anywhere. Yeah, and then it makes me think, is this real?

SPEAKER_00 7:53

But then it was on his stories, I saw it on his I I actually did the same thing. I now follow him. I do enough. I was like, because you do take it like quite I don't know, there's there's a personal element to it.

SPEAKER_01 8:05

Because you've been part of their life for so long. But you you automatically, I think, think that the parents are right.

SPEAKER_00 8:12

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 8:13

Because it's that ex it's that expectation that they've got their shit together, that they know that they're telling the truth, that of course they'll do best by their child. Well, what they think is their best might not actually be their best for their child.

SPEAKER_00 8:26

They're now saying it's a trend to um Oh yeah, not you're gonna say your parents are toxic and stop a step away from them. They're now saying it's fashionable to do it.

SPEAKER_01 8:34

It's fashionable to because I read that somewhere that it's to to um distance yourself. There was like an interview, and they were like, Yeah, I haven't spoken to my family for three years, and then somebody else is like, I haven't spoken to my family for six months. It's like what?

SPEAKER_00 8:47

But but this but people aren't saying it's a fashion. What's happening is people are now able, there's therapy, there's access to tools, we're talking more about mental health, we're getting to root causes. I got to the root cause of my breakdown, and it involved both my parents, yeah, and I therefore did things to step away. And I'm not blaming my parents, but I set boundaries and took step backs to help me heal. Yeah, how that was received by them and by others was not necessarily my intention, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 9:15

The media has got a lot to answer.

SPEAKER_00 9:17

Oh, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 9:18

Because they spam this, it's a trend, and actually, like you've said, no, people are just awakening, people are just going, I'm not putting up with this behaviour. People are going, oh, I know that they're blood, but that's true.

SPEAKER_00 9:29

It's okay to not accept that behaviour. But the people that are saying, the people that are saying that this is a trend are probably people who are parents whose children have taken a step back from them, and it's just to find their behaviour. So this is another one. People who've never liked them are now feeling validated in their views that they've held on for years.

SPEAKER_01 9:50

They always said that David Beckham was no good.

SPEAKER_00 9:53

Yeah, yeah. Oh well, that I was right.

SPEAKER_01 9:55

It and the and Victoria, because she's had a lot of stick on her. Then that that documentary came out, and people started to realise that that Beckham one, that actually she was alright, and now it's like the tables have turned again.

SPEAKER_00 10:07

And the other thing, actually, that I found interesting, I remember when they started really putting themselves out there, and they I was like, Oh, they're using social Instagram, and David's cooking, and she's doing her um things. I'm like, that's weird that they're doing that, they don't need to do that, da-da-da. Then they're posting photos of their kids, but they want privacy, and then I suddenly realised they've taken control, yeah, they have taken complete control. It can't be that valuable to take a photo of them anymore because when you take a photo of them, a valuable photo now, the press will be trying to get a photo of Brooklyn with them. That's that's the only expensive, that's the only photo to make money out of Beckham's now because a photo can't be the press can't sell photos of them because they put the photos out there themselves, they took control against the media, and it's paid off for them in many, many ways. And yes, brand um brand Beckham is a thing, and they're you know, even their sunny saying, or you know, you're only value to me if you're in photos and things like that, and obviously that's something that's going on with them, and I don't have a view on either side, but someone said the other day, uh, it's obviously that they've just completely controlled the media. Fair play to them for controlling the media, the media have absolutely deserved to be controlled by the Harris and the Meghan's and the Davids and the Victoria's the Royal because they've tried to control the narrative of them. I I think fair play to them for taking control, I think, as well.

SPEAKER_01 11:27

It's down to personal um experience and perception. So in his statement saying um, you know, they've they've said to me that I've got to take their name that take their name away, like, or that she can't have the name, the Beckham name, and my mum's done this and my mum's done that. Well, it's all about interpretation and how he's feeling and what other things have happened, yeah. So and he's allowed to feel like that as well. Yeah, that's how he feels now. I do feel for him because he never asked for this life to be pushed into the the spotlight, and that must be really tricky because they they had a bad experience, and I was saying this yesterday at work. They've come into an industry that they love because she wanted to sing, he wanted to play football. The media was an ad-on. Yeah, it was never a I want to be it's not like nowadays where you get like influencers or people on reality TV. Yeah, they just wanted to do what they wanted to do, yeah, and it's a learning, they were very young, it was a it's a learning curve, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 12:26

They're very, very, very clever business people in a lot of ways. Although we learn from the documentary, she actually massively messed up in a fashion business with a spend and everything and what have you. So maybe she actually isn't the businesswoman that and that's kind of the conversation that she had, wasn't it? But this is interesting as well. So the other one that I picked up on was others dismissing pain because of money status or privilege. Oh, and I've seen the amount of people, he's so spoiled, as if he, you know, if it wasn't for his if it wasn't for his mum and dad, he wouldn't even be with a billionaire because he wouldn't have been recognised by one, and comments like that, and you think he's a human being, and regardless of what everyone's opinions are or really what has gone on behind closed doors, this is how he's feeling, and you see people saying, Oh, he didn't write that, that must have been his wife that's wrote that. How can you say that? And even with Harry and Megan, this there's obviously a lot of similarities here, but with Harry, and I was interested in this because obviously Harry and Beckham, David are friends, so I'm thinking, I wonder what the because Harry must relate to Brooklyn because of what the media attention now is they're getting and the whole you hate on my wife thing, but he's mates with David, so I was quite my thing was like, Oh, I wonder if there's a bit of advice that could be going on here or what have you. But um, just coming back to that privilege thing, um, and no, sorry, the the wife thing was even though these are grown men, and yes, women, men, you know, narcissistic narcissist narcissist that that wordistic narcissistic narcissism and everything, but he's also a grown man, and um has he been brainwashed? Like, why is it that if a man speaks honestly and openly about his family who everybody loves, whether that be the royals or the the Beckhams, does everyone assume that the woman must be a bit of a messing and a bad line? This is like why are we shaming women and shaming them for speaking out? Yeah, and and it wouldn't, if it was the other way around, they wouldn't say, Oh, she's been brainwashed by the man to put that out there. They would say, Oh, she's crazy, or she's and it's just the there's just so literally at the moment, social media is just screaming out at us of all the toxic behaviours that this society is.

SPEAKER_01 14:50

I um I also think the media just when they can see that this family are not perfect, you know, whatever that even looks like, they think, oh my god, we need to get on that. Oh my god, they're not perfect. What who said they need to be perfect? Just because they're in the social media, like in the exact um public eye and they're on social media and people know about them. Why does their relationship have to be why does every family have to all get on? Just because your blood relation and you were born into that family does not mean you're gonna get along. Just because David Beckham's an icon doesn't mean he always gets things right all the time, but the media just like they're like vultures, oh yeah, and they just hone in on that, and then all these people are coming out of the woodworks, and like you said, it's just like oh my god, all these people are so triggered, but that it's everyone's triggers, even the ex-girlfriend stepping up going, oh finally he's speaking the truth about his family.

SPEAKER_00 15:46

And interesting. Well, she's an ex-girlfriend for a reason, yeah. Someone who trusts what she says, but but she's next and also she's jumping on the bandwagon. Why does anyone, if these people are people that really love these people, why are they coming in and speaking and shouting and getting involved publicly? Yeah, if they really love these people that because why do you see what I mean? Like I could have just messaged him and said, like, I could have just messaged you, I hear you, I feel you, I've got your back. But by publicly doing it, you're bringing attention to self, and you were you might have been annoyed by something that Vicky said or Dave said when you were around the house having tea one night. You two are on Vicky's hands, Vicki. I bet she does not like that. You're just using the situation, but then the other way, people that are slagging um Brooklyn off um because well, actually, that his mum and dad gave him everything. But people use money as abuse. Yeah, one of the most abusive tools you can use is money. Parents do use money to abuse. Look what I've given you. Yeah, you know, I I've seen it, I've seen it in my own circles where you know you need me more than I need you, and all that bullshit. Like people use money and I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 17:06

I really hope the Beckhams are reflecting, like I really hope that they're reflecting on everything that's happened and that they've allowed it to get to this point because I do feel that hopefully they're thinking what could have been done differently about this. Why I just I just I just find it bizarre, but I just don't feel like we've got any right to have an opinion to say this is this and this is that. Is that clear? And I just think it is it's sad, isn't it? Is it I just I think it's desperately sad. I think it's so so sad, and like this woman's put, like we're not talking about the grief of this whole family, you know, people that are stuck in the middle middle, siblings that are getting stuck in the middle, the grief of the parents, the grief of the grandparents, the grief of Brooklyn, you know, is distance himself from his whole family. That's your identity sometimes, and that's got a really awful.

SPEAKER_00 17:58

He's paying apparently. I mean, again, is that true though? I know exactly. Do you know what I mean? Like he's paid the solicitor, so his parents can't contact him directly. But um, I don't know, you just again there's all these net there's all this gossip, and you don't really know what's true, and he has come out publicly because he's probably where he is right now, he's hurting, he's grieving. Um we don't know what's going on with the brothers. There's so many relationships involved here, and I always remember when you have your second child, you suddenly realise I don't have a relationship with child one and child two. I'm actually creating a relationship between me and another child, but a brand a new relationship between child one and child two. That is actually I've created it, but it's not for me to take any control over, and that's a whole other podcast. Yeah, like I have no control over how that relationship's formed. I have influence, and I hopefully have influenced a positive thing, but the dynamics between my two children that's that's a whole relationship, and they can go on in life and develop and build that relationship even without me. Um, and sometimes it's even funny now where I hear them and they're talking about something, and I think, oh, have I missed that conversation? And then you're like, actually, they do have really cute, sweet conversations together that I've got nothing to do about, I know nothing about.

SPEAKER_01 19:23

But doesn't that as well like just making me think you paint this perfect picture and you want your children to get on and you'll do anything for them to just get along? Actually, that might not happen. I actually remember saying, I hope that because the boys are close in age that they'll get on maybe more so than others that maybe have got a big age gap. Yeah, actually, I've heard like the relationships between siblings with big age gaps are actually better sometimes because you don't have that sibling rivalry. Yeah, my two don't get on, and they're back and forth, back and forth. And you saying that, like you don't get involved and you try not to like say what that narrative is. I I get involved in the sense that like I try and teach them right from wrong, I try and teach them kindness, but I would never ever control the relationship and make them make them like each other, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:12

You can't it's the bond, you can't and even later.

SPEAKER_01 20:15

I mean, Rob's brothers, they're like four years apart. It wasn't until he was older and he'd left home and they had that they'd go out for a drink with each other, they'd text each other. So I just I hope that that happens, and I feel like I I really do hope that they support one another when they go through difficult times with me and Rob.

SPEAKER_00 20:31

And if you think of a family like your, you've got your family of five, yeah, um, the Beckham's are a family of six. Yeah, how many relationships are there? I'm trying to work it out. So Beckham's got the relationship with each child. There's a relationship between Victoria and uh Dave Dave, Vicki and Dave. And Vicky's got the relationship with each of her kids, but then each of those kids. So this doesn't just have an impact on Brooklyn with each of his siblings. Harper might be falling out with Romeo about this now. That can it will conc or it could bring them closer together. This is like family dynamics when things like this happen, it's not just the relationship, as you say, between Brooklyn and his mum and dad, or his mum, because it seems like he has focused probably more in on her, it's that ripple effect to everybody else. There'll be friends falling out here. Yeah, that'll be this could lead to people divorcing, and I mean, within their circles of friends, like because someone speaks up in the press and their partner doesn't agree that they have, and then there's conflict therein. Do you see how this kind of thing has a ripple effect?

SPEAKER_01 21:35

I don't see a way out of it in the sense of like the media. Like, I don't think there'll ever be a time where everybody's going, I really hope everything's okay, I'm sending so much love, um, and that there's no biased. Yeah. Wouldn't it be lovely to just see loads of comments that are just like, like, I hear both of you like sending so much love, this is awful, like I can see that this must be an all uh a grief, or just like not thinking before you type.

SPEAKER_00 22:00

That's kind of what my post is about, in the sense of when you comment or post on anything, and this isn't just and I actually guilty as charged, like I even reflect in the post that I actually do this, yeah, I react to things. When you react when you react with hate, what you're actually doing is hating yourself, yeah. Because when you don't like a celebrity, is there any celebrities you don't like?

SPEAKER_01 22:26

Is there anybody you don't like or hate?

SPEAKER_00 22:28

Not that I've got a strong um there's nobody I can't think of anybody that I can go, oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:35

But hate's a very strong word as well. And I think my mum always said don't say hate my mum, she and I I didn't understand that, and I say that to the boys don't use the word hate because that's a really awful word, and I feel like I'm the sort of person that would never have hatred.

SPEAKER_00 22:50

No, is there anyone that you just think oh they're really annoying?

SPEAKER_01 22:53

Yeah, many.

SPEAKER_00 22:55

So yeah, when you hate somebody though, the chances are it is, and there's the psychological this is psychologically proven. I checked on this because I'm glad you did your research before you came. I did my research because I was doing my post, I always check fact-check stuff when I'm saying because I read stuff and then I repeat it, and I'm like, did I make that up? Um, I always fact-check that when you hate somebody, it's very, very common that the reason you hate them is because they're a mirror of you, and there's something about them that reflects actually something you don't like about yourself and that you haven't healed or work on yourself. And so when you actually people that are going and hating on anybody, especially celebrity, what they're actually doing is hating themselves, and we don't want to hate ourselves.

SPEAKER_01 23:46

Do you imagine the energy it takes to hate someone? You imagine the the things that we can we know that the way we think our mind and you know our thoughts can have such an impact on our body. You imagine what that's creating?

SPEAKER_00 24:00

It's a lot of forgiveness, isn't it? I understand though, it is about forgiveness, and I understand people that hate people that have really hurt them through abuse and like murder and crime and things like that. I get that. But actually, one of the most powerful conversations I had on on Sally Hall Radio when I interviewed um um a great guy, and I it it's I really feel bad now because you know what I'm like with names, I can't think of his name immediately, and I don't want to get the wrong, I don't want to get the wrong guess wrong because of the the story. I mean, when I say he was he went through some of the and a bit of a trigger warning, some of the worst abuse you can think of. Um he ended up in prison, he ended up on drugs, he went down a really dark path, and actually it was church that saved him. He he ended up being kind of homeless and then he was kind of taken in, and um the church ended up supporting him, and now he's thriving, he's turned his life around. But what he actually did was he went and forgave his abuser, and I I actually really struggled to understand that. But he said by um by forgiving his abuser, he set himself free um because he no longer held on to that that that anger and that pain, um, and he just let it go. He won't forget, he can't forget the things, but forgiveness has been an acceptance of it happened, but I I still struggle with that a little bit myself.

SPEAKER_01 25:25

I think that's where we can come back to acceptance because I remember Natasha Bray saying we don't have to forgive, and it often is when she's talking about abusive relationships, but we can accept, yeah, and I think that's um an easier word for some people, but it's down to personal perception, personal experience, and whatever feels right for you. But the the the the feeling is is that just having that horrible feeling inside is not doing hurting anyone else, it's literally hurting you from the inside. I mean, completely separate to that.

SPEAKER_00 25:56

Even in the last, I think I spoke open about it into last year. I went through some things and I was holding on to so still to so much pain, and it was linked to my ex-husband, but it wasn't my ex-husband, and I had one conversation, and in that one conversation, and getting frustrated and angry, but actually being honest about how something had made me feel, even though what the person I was speaking to said in response felt unfair, and I didn't really necessarily agree with the acceptance I got from that conversation. One from being able to say how I felt, but also recognising they're never gonna see me, they're never gonna hear me, they're never gonna understand me. So let this go. Literally, I can't tell you what has happened to me physically since it has gone. Because since then, repeated behaviours and patterns that upset me have happened. Nothing, nothing, no reaction, no feeling, no hurt, no pain. I have let it go. I've not had any recognition, I've not had any apology. If anything, I've had quite the opposite. I've had resistance and I've had dismissal of my feelings. It's gone.

SPEAKER_01 27:10

That's so interesting, isn't it? There were two things I wanted. I got oh, I'm at a crossroads now.

SPEAKER_00 27:15

I need to go down to what time it's uh oh, I can't see, is that 20 minutes or 28 minutes? 26.

SPEAKER_01 27:23

Oh, what do we do? I don't know. I'm at two, I'm a crossroads of like this topic or this topic. Right, well now we know.

SPEAKER_00 27:30

What? To be continued. Let's go to be continued. But should we just wrap up this one? Because I think what we're saying here, we've jumped on the we've jumped on the Beckham bandwagon, but actually Well, we haven't because this is going to be posted later and it should have died down die. Yeah, this is that's true. You'll all be like, You're still talking about Beckon? You're still talking about that. It was relevant, but it is relevant because actually what we're saying is regardless of who it is in the news, whether it's your friend or a celebrity, um, there is two, there's three, so they say there's three sides to every story, but don't there's there should be no sides to any story for you if it's nothing to do with you.

SPEAKER_01 28:05

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 28:06

And everybody um comes from everyone's hurting, and there's so much grief happening here. Let people go through their pain and they're hurt. You don't always have to have an opinion, and when you do have an opinion, what you've probably got is an open wound that you need to go and heal yourself.

SPEAKER_01 28:23

My mum always used to say, keep that keep your opinions to yourself, which I don't I don't think it's like all the time. I think it means is this gonna benefit anyone? Is this gonna help anyone? Yeah, well then maybe we don't need to say it, so it's just thinking about that. And the last thing, I know you said we're jumping on a bandwagon, but I think these conversations about things in the media are so important because it just gives people another perspective, yeah, because we're not jumping on that bandwagon as in we're gonna we're trying to get any benefit or gain from it, we're actually having an open conversation about actually what could we be doing differently here?

SPEAKER_00 28:59

And the point I'm making the post that I'm gonna hopefully share today is also I know I share my feelings about things I've been going through, and that people might read my post and go, well, you do what he's done. But maybe he hasn't done it to get people to take sides, maybe he's done it because he doesn't feel seen or heard and he wants to let people know they're not on their own, but he's doing it in a very um, very different way to maybe that others would choose to do. Yeah, but just have a bit of compassion for everybody with this and sending love, sending love, Vicky and Dave and Brooks and Brooks, Brooks, and the whole one family and the whole family, yeah. Yeah, all right, Sandra.

unknown 29:41

Bye.

SPEAKER_01 29:42

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