S2 Episode 4- Wine Wellness and Real Life

In this episode, Ali and Laura record for the first time from Ali's beautiful new home! The conversation flows freely across wellness, wine (alcoholic and otherwise!), perimenopause, nutrition, and the small daily choices that add up to big changes. They get real about the challenge of breaking habits formed in childhood, the pressure of feeding a family well on a budget, and why investing in your health is so important.

Key Takeaways

• The dopamine hit starts before the first sip, which means the ritual matters as much as what's in it.
• Healthy eating has to be sustainable, not a quick fix. 
• The 80/20 rule works, find the version that keeps you consistent without tipping into obsession or restriction.
• Protein is the missing piece. 
• Batch cooking is a non-negotiable for busy people. If you can't grab something healthy, you'll grab something terrible.
• Inflammation and perimenopause are linked. Knee soreness, water retention, stiffness getting off the sofa,  these are signs worth paying attention to.
• Scan before you buy. We think we're making healthy choices but the ingredients tell a different story. 

Books, Apps & Tools

We are not paid for recommendations but love shouting out about the things we love, the people that have helped and what works for us.

Ivy App — Scans food barcodes and scores products 0–100 on how natural and unprocessed they are. A real eye-opener (toasting waffles scored ~30; linguini pasta scored 100!). More info here.

Yuka — Similar food scanning app, also worth checking out. See more here.

Elevate Collagen — Marine collagen with Vitamin C, taken specifically for joints and knees. Ali noticed a difference within 3 weeks (full benefits at 12 weeks). Here is more info.

Creatine — Recommended for muscle recovery, energy, and joint support — particularly relevant during perimenopause. Lots of brands available but Laura uses Raw Sports version. 

People

Steven Bartlett / Diary of a CEO — Podcast episode specifically covering creatine and its benefits. Worth a listen if you want to go deeper on the supplement side of things. Find on Spotify, itunes and Youtube.

Tonic Health — Content creator who breaks down food labelling, processed ingredients, and what's actually in your supermarket staples. Worth a follow here.

Laura's Personal Trainer Naomi— Works with Ali on both training and nutrition; uses a daily food photo check-in with personalised feedback on protein, balance, and choices. More info here.

Recipes Mentioned

Banana pancakes 

Cottage cheese pancakes 

Protein porridge 

Chocolate cottage cheese mousse 

Peanut butter bars 

Three-bean chilli 

Note: This episode's recording cut out two minutes before the end, and a second full episode recorded the same evening was lost due to microphone battery failure , gutting, but very on-brand. Stay tuned for the next one.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:43

Hi, hi, we made it a different scenery. I've watched another video.

SPEAKER_01 0:48

If anybody is used to watching our videos, not that we've posted them anywhere. Not that we post them. Not on YouTube or any other video stream. Even though that was completely our intention. We're not in Laura's beautiful office. We're actually in my beautiful home. First time I've ever been. This is the first time Laura's seen it.

SPEAKER_03 1:08

But what's nice is because it's so close to your other one. I like I knew where I was. And I knew that it was at the back, so I kind of knew where I was coming.

SPEAKER_01 1:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:16

Which is nice. But so lovely, you should be able to do your own thing, your own space.

SPEAKER_01 1:20

Oh I love it here. I just I actually sometimes just sit here, especially Wednesday nights. I tend to be on my own after my Reiki clients. I know. So Wednesday nights the children are always with their dad, and I tend to have one, two at least Reiki clients. So last night, have my two Reiki clients, they leave by nine o'clock. I just get an hour in here on my own. I always put on a bit of a Dell, a little bit of piano music, which is my new 45-year-old thing. Never put the telly on. Never, I never put the telly on. Never. If I'm in the house on my own, the TV does not go on unless I'm very intentionally watching something like a series.

SPEAKER_02 1:59

Oh, that's what we should talk about.

SPEAKER_01 2:01

Some of our series is that we watch and things like that. Series is that word, series. And yeah, and I just sit here and even just last night I sat here and went, I did it.

SPEAKER_02 2:15

Oh, I love it.

SPEAKER_01 2:15

Isn't it beautiful?

SPEAKER_03 2:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:17

This was my gift to myself. Well done, yeah. It was because it's well, a sofa last year's, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_03 2:23

Oh yeah, well I was just going to rob they do another one because it's eight years old, so yeah, they do.

SPEAKER_01 2:27

Oh, longer than that.

SPEAKER_03 2:28

Oh no, it should do, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:30

But um it was teal. I'm not gonna tell everyone the story now of my cousin's experience, but it was very good. And but the sofas are available. It was it was pricey, but it's with me for a long time, and it was a you've done it.

SPEAKER_03 2:47

Nice, because you can just have it exactly how you want it, and it's so lovely in here.

SPEAKER_01 2:51

Yeah, very nice, and it's just calm, and this is where my clients come as well now. My Reiki clients and have their Reiki sessions, and they say they really like it, it's got a really nice ambience about it.

SPEAKER_03 3:01

It seems really quiet here as well.

SPEAKER_01 3:03

It is me and all my men.

SPEAKER_03 3:05

Oh, is it all men here?

SPEAKER_01 3:06

Yeah, um apart from one home where there's his girlfriend lives with him, but they're all single or dating men, and me. You're in the middle, but they're all like you know, they're all in later years of them and things, so a real mix. There's a younger chap next door. Not a younger chap. That makes you sound old though, because you said he's a younger chap. It's me, Ali and the boys, but it's a beautiful, it's a courtyard, it's lovely. I feel very I'm very happy here.

SPEAKER_03 3:38

Well, it's nice to be here on an evening, nice to have a bit of chill, I've had a bit of a weekend. Right, tell the truth.

SPEAKER_01 3:44

But but it is wine, it's still wine. Yeah, okay, but it's not a big one. It's probably schlurr in a wine bottle. Well, I'll be honest with you, I'm not a fan, you know. You know that I'm a qualified wine taster, don't you? I do. I'm actually certified. I could be a shamelow, but I can't say it. You know those people in restaurants that begins with an S and ends with an R? So Somalia, Somalia. Somalia, Shamalia. That's a great socials. Thank you so much. Shalolala Honestly, there's no alcohol in this wine. So I have yet to find a non-alcoholic non-alcoholic, not a zero alcohol wine that I actually think tastes like wine and doesn't taste like schlor that's had something done to it to make it taste more grown-up. I love schlor. I grew up on schlor. Did you? Yeah, nano and granda. We schlurr, shlor. I say schlor, schlurr. Nano and grande, and well, my mum and dad as well used to, you know, on Sundays or on special occasions we'd have we're allowed in a wine glass, which is probably what's a true wine today.

SPEAKER_03 4:49

Maybe anyway, it's a highly recommended.

SPEAKER_01 4:51

So I saw this one because as I've explained to Laura tonight, I've got a bit of a problem at the minute buying things online. I keep going, oh, that's gonna solve all my parametopausal issues, let's buy that. However, I've been making savvy decisions, but I have really cut back on my alcohol and my white wine this year. Well, I have really been doing so since last year. At the start of this year, I was doing really well, had a bit of a slippery slope, and then I was like, actually, do you know what? I'm gonna look for alternatives. And this came up on Facebook, which is Wednesday's domain. Oh, if you buy it in Wednesday's domain, if you buy it in bulk, it can work out similar prices to wine that I would buy over the road, but this is more expensive. Yeah, it baffles me. This worked out to be £15 a bottle, I know. But because I'm making healthier conscious decisions, I worked out that two bottles of this is better than four bottles.

SPEAKER_03 5:49

So it's 12 calories.

SPEAKER_01 5:51

Yeah, it's better than four bottles of alcohol wine that would cost me about the same, or maybe a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 5:58

I suppose for me, I don't drink, so for me, I'm like, there's no way I'm buying a 15 pound bottle of non-alcoholic wine. No, exactly. Because I don't drink, but for you, I always said, isn't it, it's a habit, it's the having a glass, it's what your routine is when you go out and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 6:12

I can't remember who told me this either. Is that what we're actually looking for when we reach for that first glass of wine or that beer is the ch that's the dopamine? Sorry, not listen, you're actually looking for the dopamine hit, and actually you get that first hit from the ch you opening the bottle. So, in theory, you can open any bottle.

SPEAKER_03 6:33

So, I do so you used a bottle wine bottle opener earlier, so that you got that.

SPEAKER_01 6:39

But no, so on a serious note though, I did think just to as an alternative when I'm really trying to put back on the alcohol and stop drinking so much wine because I do love it. Um, and I because I don't really get drunk either, um I just drink it, I have a few glasses, just relax lovely. I I don't drink when I'm sad or depressed though, or when I'm feeling low, really aware of that because of family history and stuff. But I I'm quite happy at the minute, which means I'm like there's no off button at the minute with me. So I will get back to the point. So I've thought I had a look at it and I thought, right, it's £30 for two bottles, seems a bit excessive, however, this is about my health.

SPEAKER_02 7:19

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:20

So actually, yeah, I'm spending £30 on two bottles and it makes me make healthier choices. Yeah, but it's only about what you would pay on supplements easily, exactly, and stuff. Well, I've been doing fine those as well. So I thought, let me give it a go. So I bought a white one and a rose one. On reflection, I should have bought a red one as well, because I can't drink red wine anymore.

SPEAKER_03 7:42

You're not a red drinker.

SPEAKER_01 7:43

I used to be a big red wine drinker, but I had to stop because it was giving me really bad headaches. But I thought actually I could drink red wine again if it didn't unless it's a water.

SPEAKER_03 7:51

I can't imagine red wine's gonna taste as good, you know, because red wine is such a distinctive, strong taste. I can't imagine a non-alcoholic wine, but then maybe you need to test it out just to be sure.

SPEAKER_01 8:02

So I've had the white wine, I watched I drank that watching a rugby the other night when I went over to Joe's. I bought her a normal bottle of wine, and I had my non-alcoholic wine, non-alcoholic, I've got to stop saying non-alcoholic wine, zero alcohol wine, and the white wine. I will get to the this point, guys. I've got to say there was an element of schlore there. Oh, was that? Yeah, see it's the sweetness thing. I mean, I like a really dry white wine, but it just I was like, I can still taste that shloriness in it. Got to say, I'm not a rose drinker, but I do like a blush. And this is quite pale, it's not really blush, it's more rose than blush.

SPEAKER_03 8:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:47

But this is nice.

SPEAKER_03 8:49

Back in the day, it used to be a white as infantel drinker, you know, back in the day, like when you're 18 and you feel a bit grown up because you're drinking wine. And my stepdad was horrified, he's like, You cannot drink Blossom Hill, that is disgusting. Oh, he's such a wine snub, like you.

SPEAKER_01 9:03

Bottle of Chardonnay, um bottle of Chardonnay, Blossom Hill, Chardonnay Yates' back in the day. It was Haha Bar, spent about eight quid. It was at £8 or something like that.

SPEAKER_03 9:14

Oh, it was mental, like yeah, but that's just what we used to drink. Or if we would go into a friend's house, we'd just grab a bottom, but that's just all I know.

SPEAKER_01 9:21

Because I don't really like to get the Blossom Hill 3 for a tenant.

SPEAKER_03 9:23

And I I'm not really a massive drinker, so I just go with what I find one and I'm like, oh I like that, and then that's it. If I ever went and ordered wine now, I'd always order what you order because I know that I like it, and I know that like you're the wine snob, so you're see, I I am a bit of a wine snob, I've I have fallen into the New Zealand Sov non-blanc traffic.

SPEAKER_01 9:42

Yeah. Massively because when we did the New Zealand tour, when I we me and my ex went to New Zealand and we did we got on bikes with our friends Fat Fran and Ali, um, who we met over there. I don't know why I was about to tell you their life story, but I'm not gonna obviously. If you're listening, I promise I'm not gonna tell you life story. But we met we were over there, we met them over there, we ended up uh deciding to break away from everyone for a few days. We went to the Marlborough region and did a tour of all the vineyards, it was amazing. I went to Cloudy Bay cellar door, which was like incredible. We went to Villa Maria, and which at the time I was a bit of snob with Villa Maria because it's like, oh, it's so mass-produced, oh it's not as refined as I need it to be. But we went to the Villa Maria, and it was actually the Villa Maria door that we learnt about sulphur, and the sulphur content in wine is really high, but even more so in New Zealand because it's so close to the do you think this is of interest to anyone?

SPEAKER_03 10:37

I've got no idea. Yeah, you got off on a wine drill. If you don't like wine, skip to 10 minutes.

SPEAKER_01 10:48

But this is quite interesting. I'm gonna carry on. You can't stop mid conversation, you're gonna finish. So because it's M New Zealand so close to the Earth's crust that they've got high sulphur levels. If you even go to somewhere like Rotter Rotarua in New Zealand, you actually see the sulphur coming through the drains, and you can smell it's like that eggy smell. So, um, in the wine making process, they take action to reduce the sulfur levels, which is one of the reasons that causes our hangovers, is the sulfur. So I just find New Zealand wine, I really like the taste of it. It can be a bit too green sometimes, but I do like the taste of it as a rule, and it doesn't give me really bad hangovers. If I drink anything from South Africa or Chile, I just get the which are obviously new world wines as well. I I get really quite now. Obviously, I do like a drink, so the reason I get hangovers is a lot is to do bowling. It isn't just to do with the fact they've got high sulfur levels, but yeah, I don't seem to have that that thing with New Zealand, but I also love Spanish wine. So I love Ariaka, love margarino, and yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:54

We like a we if we if we do drink, we drink red wine, and Rob's a red wine drinker. What does what red does he drink? Occa or Malbec, Merlo. Any of those, really? That's a rich one.

SPEAKER_01 12:07

Well I say not Ariaka's quite lighter, but uh Malbec. Oh, they're all nice, yeah. Nice rich red wine. I again I do miss I do miss red wine really.

SPEAKER_03 12:15

Yeah, I don't see you as a red wine drinker at all. I've never seen it happen, so I just can't even imagine it to be honest. I used to wake up and used to have a little red one around the edges on the teeth. The teeth go a bit red. Dark chocolate.

SPEAKER_01 12:30

I would sit there with a packet of Bourneville. Well not a packet like chocolate.

SPEAKER_03 12:35

Oh, I thought you meant like what are those biscuits, the chocolate ones. We're really gonna have to put a disclaimer on this. We're gonna have to tell them we're gonna have to put at the top of this episode, please skip 10 minutes if you're not interested in dark chocolate, non-alcoholic wine, or Ali's trip to New Zealand.

SPEAKER_01 12:55

Who isn't who isn't interested in wine and chocolate? Well, we've only snipped it on it.

SPEAKER_03 12:59

We've only done a snippet of chocolate, but you know, I've been on a really good health kick because it's that time of year, isn't it? And I'd have had this illness, this sickness bug. And then Rob bought these uh Whisper Golds. It's the first bit of chocolate I've had since like the 31st of December. Oh my god, it tasted so good. And I do think that there's an element of if you don't have it frequently, you sort of enjoy it and appreciate it maybe a little bit more. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I suppose it's like absence.

SPEAKER_01 13:29

Um there is that beside today, because I in February I'm trying to reduce my sugar intake, so I've been really conscious about my sugar. And today went on like this work event, and normally it's just like carb, they carb load you don't they on these events, and it's just sandwiches and beige food. But I've got ourselves really impressed. It was like is it laxa?

SPEAKER_03 13:52

I don't know, Southeast Asian dish.

SPEAKER_01 13:54

There was laxa, there was like chicken skewers, it was all hot and like we got served and we sat down, it was really nice.

SPEAKER_03 14:02

I love you smooth anyway.

SPEAKER_01 14:05

Um what was that actually gonna? What was the point that? Oh, then as we came out, they said all desserts are here on the left hand side, and it was chocolate cake, and there was churros, and I thought to give me the but I know what I'm like. Give me one churros, I need ten churros.

SPEAKER_03 14:21

I call them churros, churros.

SPEAKER_01 14:23

Well, just from different parts of the country, just parts different parts of the Midlands anyway. And it was chocolate, and I was like, no, and so I walked past it and said, and it isn't that I'm restricting myself, but I just know I'm doing so well at the moment, and I don't need it.

SPEAKER_03 14:38

Well, same, I'm doing really well, like better than I've done for a long time, and but I do think you'd see the impact on how you're feeling and your energy levels, and absolutely, and I think for me, what I've decided is this can't be just a quick fix, I'm gonna do this till like the summer and I can get in whatever clothes I want. This has got for me, it's got to be a sustainable diet choice. This has got to be not a diet but a nutritional choice, so that every day I wake up making it a bad diet, it's your diet, it's Laura's diet.

SPEAKER_00 15:07

What is her diet that she's eating?

SPEAKER_03 15:09

I just want it to be better because also it's about education. And like I said to the PT that I've got, oh no, it's calling me again, isn't it annoying? I told you, didn't I? Charlie, I mean I've never known. I said, Don't call me again. Don't call me again. This trust me, and you probably really need me now. Well, don't call me again. Um I said to her, I want you to I want to be educated, so like when you're saying to me you need this amount of protein, I need that ingrained in my head. So every time I make meal choices, and to be fair, when I became diabetic with my pregnancy, I learnt a lot. I did learn a lot about that about your blood sugars and eating your veg before anything else on your plate can lower your blood sugars. Yeah, if you're gonna have a sweet treat, have it with your meal, like straight after. Don't wait, don't snack in like throughout the day because you your blood sugars go up. And I've been making a lot of my own snacks. So I've made these peanut butter bars that are a bit like uh camel shortbread. I've made like chocolate mousse but with cottage cheese with a dark chocolate on the top.

SPEAKER_01 16:09

I hate cottage cheese.

SPEAKER_03 16:10

Well, no, I don't I wouldn't eat cottage cheese, but when you're mixing it, so like I've made cottage cheese pancakes with blueberries and honey, and they're perfect. Cottage cheese pancakes are great.

SPEAKER_04 16:34

No, just swallowed.

SPEAKER_03 16:36

No, I'll just mash a swallow.

SPEAKER_04 16:37

I just had to give myself a minute.

SPEAKER_01 16:39

Just one mashed banana.

SPEAKER_03 16:41

Can I just say to you? And mashed potatoes, pancakes are not that great.

SPEAKER_01 16:45

The problem is that this is alcohol-free. I don't believe it. Um maybe it's the placebo effect. One mash one mashed banana, you can actually mix it with one egg or two eggs, yeah. Depends on what protein level you want, and just mix it all together into like a pulp, and then you just pour it in as like a into butter.

SPEAKER_03 17:03

You can put a little bit of milk in it as well to make them a bit thinner if you want to. I've done uh a different one, but I'll tell you what you can do with these cottage cheese ones and with other ones, you can make them and freeze them. What are you laughing at now? Your banana.

SPEAKER_01 17:15

I don't know. I'll just it's just something's just gonna be the giggle.

SPEAKER_03 17:18

Put it in parchment paper in between and you can freeze them and then air fry them. Yeah, and so uh for me this is turning into like a cookery. Wasn't it? But for me, it's about organisation. I don't like cooking, I can't be asked to stand and spend most of my time in the kitchen. I'm knackered after a full day of doing whatever I'm doing, like with Louis or work. I don't want to be in the kitchen, I don't get that much pleasure from it. So if I can prepare and be more organised, then that's the key for me. So I have spent a lot more time in the kitchen, but I've definitely benefited from it because it for me it's about grabbing things that are good. Yeah, if I can't grab something, I'm gonna go for something terrible. Although, why do you do that?

SPEAKER_01 17:57

Can I just mention the churros though? Because I spoke about the churros as if I walked past and never saw them again. I did go back because I then had this conversation with myself.

SPEAKER_03 18:07

Actually, you're very honest, you could have just let that go then.

SPEAKER_01 18:11

We would have thought you didn't have one because I can't set that boundary with myself and I'll just want five or what have you. So I thought to myself, I've got to train myself that you have one, you don't need ten.

SPEAKER_03 18:23

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 18:24

So I went and had one and I enjoyed it, and I really, but I've really, really twizzled it round in that dark chocolate, lit the bowl, yeah, rubbed it on my face. I I showered in it, but I only had the one church. I was gonna add all of the chocolate for the whole conference. That's quite anyway. But that chocolate tasted like yeah, heaven.

SPEAKER_03 18:45

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:46

And then I thought this is it, this is why you I could now eat chocolate every day and not enjoy it.

SPEAKER_03 18:52

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 18:53

So this is where my mindset, I feel like my mindset is shifting a little bit around. You don't need to have the pleasure all of the time. Yeah, well, you can have different pleasures.

SPEAKER_03 19:04

Alright, god, this podcast has turned, doesn't it? Which means we know it's the answer. Yeah, my the PT that I've got, and we've talked about it, and we're gonna talk about it again because she's really good. But I put I have to take a picture of all my food and I have to upload it so that she can see what I'm having, but then she'll comment underneath and say, like, this is great, but there was no protein, so you need to add this on. So that's brilliant. Yeah, well, this is now what I'm so conscious of. So with my homemade soup that I made, she's like, This is great, but there's no protein. So I put a whole can of chickpeas in it, and then that made it like really good for protein. Chickpeas are protein, aren't they?

unknown 19:43

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 19:44

Yeah, I think they're chickpeas protein.

SPEAKER_03 19:46

Yeah, I think so. Beans are, aren't they?

SPEAKER_01 19:49

Yeah, I think so.

SPEAKER_03 19:50

Oh, is a chickpea not? There's me putting my post on saying I'm so proud of myself. Like I just put chickpeas in my soup, and she said, I bet she's like, Well, why have you bothered doing that?

SPEAKER_01 19:59

You might be right.

SPEAKER_03 19:59

I'm really I'm no, I'm not great with it.

SPEAKER_01 20:02

I'm 45, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 20:03

The chickpeas have protein in them. Oh, they're suspense. Yeah, they're a really good source of protein.

SPEAKER_01 20:14

Perfect. Per 100 grams of cooked chickpeas, you're looking at eight to nine grams of protein.

SPEAKER_03 20:18

Mine weren't cooked, but I put them.

SPEAKER_01 20:20

They also have fibre, iron, folate, you don't need any of that. And some healthy carbs. So they're great for both satiety and overall nutrition.

SPEAKER_03 20:29

Perfect then. So there you go, I've add chickpeas to anything. And also they're fairly fairly cheap, aren't they? Chickpeas in a tin in a tin. So my point was is on one of the days I've put so it'd been about two weeks, I put I'd had a like a solero type isla, and I put, oh I had this, it's a bit naughty. Then she messaged under, she went, There's nothing naughty about this, it's about balance, and she's like 80-20. Yeah, that's the same as 2020. And so I went. But then I was thinking, does she mean that in a day? But I think she means it in a week. Well, I I would say that's in a week.

SPEAKER_01 20:58

Yeah, but it's 80-20, so whether it's in a day, in an hour, an hour. It's 80-20 in a day, it's the same as 80-20 in a week because it's percentage.

SPEAKER_03 21:07

So, but I the way I see it is that if I can be good all week, five days a week, so I don't have any chocolate, but I have my own chocolatey things that I make, and then at the weekend, if I had like a meal out, then I've got a bit of flexibility. So I just see it like that because I just feel for me, I've got quite an addictive personality in terms of chocolate, yeah. So I'll just go and I'll be going, yeah, well, I'll stay on 20%, I could be on 50%. Do you know what I mean? So I just for me in the week, 80% would and 20% would be that weekend.

SPEAKER_01 21:37

It's interesting because at the minute, me making these healthier choices, it isn't really about weight loss, even though that is coming as a natural yeah, it's more to do with my perimenopausal symptoms, are really stepping up, especially my knees. And I've I've started getting up off the couch. I noticed I can't. What the couch?

SPEAKER_03 21:56

Where do you live America?

SPEAKER_01 21:57

The couch is so far. When I get off the couch. I find myself like eating a lot as if I'm a lot older than uh think I am or know I am. Um I'm walking downstairs, holding on, going when did I need to start holding on to them downstairs? I feel like I'm becoming a little bit more fragile, but my knees have been quite sore. And I was like, right, I need to think about inflammation. Yeah. And I've also noticed my knees have got fat. And what I mean by like my knees have got fat, they in proportion swollen. It's swollen, but they, in comparison to the rest of my leg, rest of my leg, look mis misshaped or something, and I was like, what is that? And it is it's inflammation.

SPEAKER_03 22:43

Is it water retention?

SPEAKER_01 22:44

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so and then they're uncomfortable as well. So I've started when I go to bed at night, it's a beautiful view for Josh.

SPEAKER_03 22:54

Is for me tonight, but you are you're gonna get it tonight.

SPEAKER_04 23:04

What did I mean? Shit, send help. By the time this is end, it's too fucking late.

SPEAKER_01 23:13

I've been lying with my feet up on the headboard.

SPEAKER_03 23:16

Oh my on the bed.

SPEAKER_01 23:21

My feet go up on the headboard, only for five minutes. Oh fine, I thought you meant you sleep like that. And then the other thing I've done, and this is where apparently I'm not ADHD, but I scroll and just go buy, buy, buy something shiny and new, let's try it, and then this is this is what I have been doing, especially in the last few years. But what I have, I actually did some research though. I have invested in the elevate, which is the collagen. Yeah, and the reason I've mainly done that isn't actually for my wrinkles, even though apparently that will help, and it is for my joints and my knees, and I've got to say I've been taking it since the taking it three weeks now, and I'm getting out of bed in the morning, and I'm not holding on, I'm not creaking, going something has changed, and that's in three weeks, and it says wait 12 weeks, and seeing the benefits as well. Although this is gonna sound really weird. I know my hair's gonna grow a lot quicker, and I don't necessarily want it to because it means how to get it. What do you want?

SPEAKER_03 24:19

Do you want fat knees or long hair? Okay, I'll choose, will you? But you can't have everything, Callie. I I've been taking creatine, which is the new, like it's very supposed to be very good for you. It's good for when you're working out for recovery, but there's loads and loads of other benefits. So do look at it because I I think that there'll be things in there that are beneficial for you. Maybe Stephen Bartlett had oh yeah, Stephen Bartlett had somebody on talking specifically about that. I might try and find the link because it's supposed to be really good for you. And energy is one. I don't know whether keeping you fuller longer, I don't know, but definitely good for like recovery of muscles and joints and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 24:57

This collagen, it's got two types of collagen in it, merino or something else. I don't really know. I'm I've so researched it quite a lot.

SPEAKER_03 25:04

Well, you knew at the time, you just went, yeah, I love that.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

And it but it's got vitamin C in it, which apparently is really important for collagen and the way it's absorbed in your body and what have you. But I was talking to one of my colleagues about it today, she takes a very similar one, and uh we were both. I was saying, I feel like it has suppressed my appetite a little bit as well. But I have been talking about that, saying that it's that wasn't intentional, but other people have reported the same because I am not as hungry, but it's really sweet to have the vanilla one. It is sweet.

SPEAKER_03 25:38

Did you drink it like a protein powder then?

SPEAKER_01 25:39

Like it, so you can put it in your smoothies, you can just mix it with water and drink it that way. But I either put it in smoothie, I put it in yogurt, or I've started putting it in my porridge, and I've got a new recipe, just porridge oats, you know, a little sachet, yeah, just plain oats, with almond milk, two rings of pineapple, chopped up and some chia seeds, and that protein powder. Beautiful, absolutely. I made a very good chocolate one the other day. It is sweet, but it's a lovely breakfast.

SPEAKER_03 26:08

I made a good chocolate one the other day. Oh, you like your oats, don't you? Yeah, chocolates. I do, but I've I've not done like very many baked oats recently, and I really like those for the winter, especially. I'm trying because I'm trying to get the kids to eat a bit better because and I think this is a good what are you doing? I think this is a good follow-on just into some of the things we talk said we were gonna talk about. So I'm so conscious of sugar. We've only got two minutes. Why are you putting me on a timer for? For half an hour. Yeah. Well, do you want me to stop this and say? Going back to part two.

SPEAKER_01 26:41

Well, we can do. But what were you gonna say? Sorry, I've been moved there.

SPEAKER_03 26:44

It's fine, don't worry. I'm conscious about sugar, and I don't know about you, but I was brought up on cereals and frozen foods, and me and mum have had this conversation. This isn't like I'm not slagging mum off saying. Yeah, but also we were told that this was this was good, yeah, and and this is easy and this is what you need. And so I've brought my kids up, the older two on cereals, but now I'm I really want to come away from it's so so hard. So I'm trying to find things that the kids will eat, but uh making things a bit sweet, like but naturally.

SPEAKER_01 27:18

I feel that my kids they are learning stuff at school with about this because both of mine are like they're like the weed to fix and the shreddies, which are the healthier, my understanding is they are the healthier, but I don't think weed to fix is great. Oh really? No. Um I thought they it was just wheat.

SPEAKER_03 27:36

I think so. Mixed together. No, I think if you look, I don't think it's as good as you thought because I was really disappointed because that was my go-to healthier option.

SPEAKER_01 27:44

No, I've got a new app on my phone.

SPEAKER_03 27:46

Yucca. Yucca.

SPEAKER_01 27:47

No, I can't remember what it's called. It cost me it's called Ivy.

SPEAKER_03 27:51

Oh right.

SPEAKER_01 27:51

And what you do is scan the product and it tells you it's like yucca, yeah. It gives it a score.

SPEAKER_03 27:57

Is it like on a coloured green?

SPEAKER_01 28:00

Not how healthy it is, it's but natural ingredients, and whether how processed it is. I think it's got 97 out of 100 means it's really good.

SPEAKER_02 28:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:10

100 out of 100. So I'm gonna ask you, this is a quick little test to do. Going back to the cereal thing because my kids have shreddies and weight of bits, I have cocoa pops and frosties.

SPEAKER_03 28:21

Well, I even on my my other health kit before when my dad died and I got really into my nutrition and diet again and my fitness, I stopped doing the cereals and I really haven't been back to it. It's very rare for me to have cereals now, but that was my one thing. I thought I've got to do my first meal of the day as one of the best meals of the day to set me up.

SPEAKER_01 28:43

That was cereals, yeah. If how you start your day, whether it's you know, and it's not just what you eat, it's yeah, like the decision whether you make your bed or whether you're in the shower, everything is how you're setting yourself. I agree with that. So let's do this little test here. I I think this app, this is the other thing I've been buying apps. So this app cost me, I want to say this was five pounds, but I think that's for the year. Might be in fact, it might be forever, it might be a forever purchase. And I've scanned five products so far, and I think that was at the time I bought it. So, toasting waffles, McBitty's toasting waffles, my kids love them. What score out of hundred on how processed it is and how unhealthy it is and all that? 100 is means really good, zero is like really bad.

SPEAKER_03 29:30

30.

SPEAKER_01 29:32

Zero. Oh, yeah, zero. I suppose that was Linguini pasta Tesco.

SPEAKER_03 29:40

Fifty.

SPEAKER_01 29:41

A hundred out of a hundred. Alright. It's pure natural ingredients.

SPEAKER_03 29:44

Well, you know, the tonic guy, have you have we've talked about the tonic guy before? Who goes into shops and tells you, like, this says it's protein, but it's not, it's rubbish. Yeah, yeah. So he was saying, what were we just talking about then? Pasta. Oh, yeah. He was saying, go for the ones that are actually Italian pasta, and some little some like little in aldey will have proper Italian pasta, and if you look at the egg content in it, then you know it's healthier for you.

SPEAKER_01 30:08

Yeah, so when I was in Sorrento, this is years ago, this is before we were married. Um God round the world today, haven't we? I know, yeah. I've uh I've I am fortunate in this in the travel that I've done. But we actually made pasta and they were saying and explaining to us that pasta that's made in because it's Sicily, I want to say it's Sicily, is healthier because of the type of wheat or something that's used, so it's not as high calorie. But it's more na I don't I can't remember, but anyway, linguini pasta, it said 100-100. The same as the pasta shells, bolignay's pasta sauce, the tomato in a jar. Not good, 49 out of 100.

SPEAKER_03 30:49

But but uh the tonic guy was saying that you can get some that are just tomato and herbs, and so it's just look it's just knowing, but also me and mum have been into this loads recently, and what we'll do is we'll send each other a link, and we'll go, oh god, something else I can't eat, and you can get a so obsessive about it, and if you listen to everything, you will literally not leave your house, not eat anything, not drink anything. So it's about balance, isn't it? But I think it's just about making better choices and being a bit better in terms of like your education and what you understand things to be. Like my mum always says, if you can't have dug it out the ground or got it from an animal, you shouldn't be eating it.

SPEAKER_01 31:28

Well, that's how I've been living this in February. If I can't, if you can't grow it or kill it, yeah, as awful as that sounds, like oh my god, that's gonna put some people off the vegetarians. I don't mean it in that way. Well I do, but if it isn't an animal basically, if it's or if it doesn't come out of a if it's not a natural, something natural, then I'm not eating it. So even tonight of saying that I did have that fish that had been breaded.

SPEAKER_03 31:54

That's fine because it was lightly dusted.

SPEAKER_01 31:55

It was lightly dusted, but it did come out of a bird's eye box. Well, no, but I don't I don't think the fish hasn't been processed because it's an actual fish, isn't it? Yeah, exactly. Anyway, extra virgin olive oil. Very good, uh 97 out of the way, that's it though, that's the IV app. Let me just go.

SPEAKER_03 32:13

But I think the problem is that we're kept because of the additives, that's why it's yeah, it's so badly scored. One of the things I think is the problem is that we're kind of in this in-between because you know what's really funny is my mum doesn't really eat that much processed food. She mainly eats fresh stuff and it meat and two veg. So I think there must have been a bit of a a period of time where it was all frozen and cereals, but I think like my mum and my stepdad don't really eat processed food, and we have, but we don't that often anymore, and I'm not at all, so I'm eating like but I just said to the PT because she's doing my nutrition as well. I need things that A, I can batch cook, B, that are good for the whole family, not just that things that aren't they're not gonna, you know, they're not not gonna eat, and so everything's just is very manageable and very doable. So that's what I need.

SPEAKER_01 33:05

I batch cook, but then it's all in the freezer because I forget that I've batch cooked and put it in.

SPEAKER_03 33:09

Well, if you spend all your money in January and then you've got no money, you have to start using the freezer stuff because that's what's just happened to us. We're so broken, Jan. At the end of the month, we just started using everything out of the freezer, and because I am eating healthy, I've got some of my healthier meals in the freezer. So the kids and Rob have had like a takeaway on a Friday, I'll go and get one of my meals out of the freezer.

SPEAKER_01 33:30

Do you know the other thing I've got really good at is my tinned food, in the sense of like my my three beans tonight with the two of tomatoes, with garlic, a few onions and peppers.

SPEAKER_00 33:40

That's a beautiful three bean chili. Yeah. And actually, all you have.

SPEAKER_03 36:01

So this episode actually cut out two minutes before the end because our microphone's battery died. And also after this, we recorded a whole other episode that was a good 45 minutes that we now can't share with you because our microphone batteries had died. So, apologies for the abrupt ending on this podcast episode, but we really hope that you enjoyed it and stay tuned for the next one coming back.

SPEAKER_01 36:29

That's it for mine.