From Internships to Leadership — Our Unexpected Paths at Delta

Ever wonder how careers in heavy construction really unfold? In this episode of On the Surface, hosts Seth Stevens, Brad Marotti, and Jordan Janet share their personal journeys—from broke college days and first internships to leadership roles shaping Delta’s future. Along the way, you’ll hear stories about IT surprises, plant fires, “street cred” in the field, and lessons learned about growth, culture, and people.

If you’re curious about career paths, leadership evolution, or just want a behind-the-scenes look at Delta, this one’s for you.

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Seth Stevens (00:05)
Hello and welcome back to On the Surface, where we're talking all things heavy construction, material supply and general business through past experiences, new developments and fresh ideas. I'm one of your hosts, Seth Stevens, and this week I'm back with some of our Delta crew. Vice President of Operations, Brad Marotti and Division Sales Manager, Jordan Janet. This week we're talking about how each of us found Delta and how we started our careers and what our

paths looked like along the way. But before we jump into the episode, and since we're still in November, I'd like to give our employees another friendly reminder to log into our benefits website and make selections while open enrollment is occurring. If you have any questions or issues, reach out to your manager or HR. All right, I hope you enjoy. Let's get into it.

Seth & Brad (01:01)
How'd you start? Yeah, Delta, you brought up coming here. Yeah.

Jordan Janet (01:02)
How'd I start what?

How did I start working here?

So I was an intern. Well, I was in college. Okay, I'll go back to college. I was at Southeast Missouri State and I had bills to pay. I was a broke college kid and it was 2010, I guess. So kind of right there at the end of the recession as a construction management major.

Seth & Brad (01:12)
Jordan Janet speaking

Jordan Janet (01:33)
Nobody is wanting to pay interns for construction management students because construction was pretty slow around that time. ⁓ But because I was broke and had bills to pay, I needed a paid internship. And so they have these TVs all throughout Seabaugh which is where the construction management program is at Southeast. And ⁓ there was an advertisement on there for construction internships.

And it was advertised as pay. They even had the pay on there. It was advertised. And I was like, man, I thought that was great money back then. I was working my tail off just to scrape things together. was bartending, serving tables, cutting grass.

Seth & Brad (02:13)
Yeah,

dude. Best waiter at Outback. That's what I remember.

Jordan Janet (02:16)
That's it. That's me. Went downhill when I left. I called, that's what I called my dad, like I said earlier. And I said, Hey, this construction company I never even heard of called Delta is advertising a paid internship. And he was like, that's a good company. need to get on there. So I applied and interviewed as hard as I could and got the internship. And that was June 1st of 2010 was the end of orientation. And I think my official

Seth & Brad (02:21)
You

Jordan Janet (02:44)
start date that they still call it today. ⁓

Seth & Brad (02:48)
But that was as construction management.

Jordan Janet (02:51)
Yeah, was construction management major. was working for... That was my internship for construction management. I graduated the following December ⁓ and I stayed on part-time from then till December. Then I got my full-time offer and started working for him in January of 2011. my internship was in ready mix quality control and that's how I got started with the ready mix division. And then...

Seth & Brad (02:53)
No internship? yeah.

do when you start full time.

My phone still says ready Delta concrete this is ready me. yeah

Jordan Janet (03:20)
Does it really?

When I first started here, I actually got subbed out to the IT department. So I was IT for the first two, three months that I here. I kind of have done a lot. the story with that was we were switching. This is going to date me. Seth's going to think this is crazy. The story with that was that we were

Seth & Brad (03:35)
You've done everything.

Jordan Janet (03:48)
That was the first time we were switching to 64-bit processors. Everything was 32-bit up till that point. And Coloss was pushing their new image out for ⁓ Microsoft at the time, and it required 64-bit processing. So I had to upgrade all the hardware that was still 32-bit, which was a shocking number of computers that we had that were still 32-bit. ⁓ So your office, Seth...

that you're in now was completely full of computers boxed up from floor to ceiling. So I had to push our new image to those computers, then take them out to the field and take everything off of their existing computer, install it on the new computer, show them how to use it, and then move on to the next one. So I did that for like two and a half. Well, the great thing was hindsight is how better to meet a bunch of people. That's true.

and get to know them, then take everything they've ever known on a computer and completely destroy it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And show them how to use a whole new machine.

Seth & Brad (04:53)
Yeah, how do you like that? Yeah, you're probably the most social IT guy

Jordan Janet (04:58)
I could have been. We weren't too bad. You know, at the time we had a couple other guys that were pretty social too. ⁓ And then JD E was quick on the heels of that. Yeah. So then I was a piece of that. So I helped set up our training centers that we had in the old jury lodge before jury was built. So we had our training center set up at the lodge and I helped.

Seth & Brad (05:05)
Craig.

Dude, you were here for the JDE roll out.

Jordan Janet (05:26)
set those up and coordinate those as well. rolling out the new hardware was 2011. That was early 2011.

Seth & Brad (05:29)
what year was that?

I think JDE is 11.

Jordan Janet (05:38)
And so then probably at the end of 11, like I think it was the end of 11, whenever we rolled out JD, it was probably all in preparation for that. Moving to the new hardware and the new software, Colas's image of Microsoft.

Seth & Brad (05:46)
Yeah.

Okay, you were IT slash ready mix.

Jordan Janet (05:56)
Yep, I did. ReadyMix, and then kind of, I ran ReadyMix plant, started with the Cape ReadyMix plant. Then I inherited the portable ReadyMix plant whenever they built a casino. Inherited the Jackson ReadyMix plant, which doesn't exist anymore, which actually caught on fire my very first day. They were like, hey, congratulations, the Jackson plant's yours.

Seth & Brad (06:16)
It's on fire. Oh my god.

Jordan Janet (06:19)
That was fun. ⁓ Then I did my first stint in safety because around that time they were, ⁓ Sharon Hinkebein was our safety coordinator and it was just her and Jerry Neels and that was it. That was the safety department. And Sharon was looking to retire. they were wanting to hire, they wanted a safety coordinator for each ⁓ business that we had at the time. We were structured with ⁓ aggregates, ReadyMix,

construction. so Jerry and Shane were going to tackle construction, myself in ready mix and Scott Jinx in aggregates. And so that was my first stint as a safety coordinator.

Seth & Brad (07:00)
Shane Kelly. Yep.

Jordan Janet (07:02)
Yes,

that's how Shane and I first started working together was as safety coordinators back then. I don't even remember that would have been 2013 probably. ⁓ When they first asked when they that was kind of the beginnings of having a safety department that was greater than just Jerry and Sharon. ⁓ So then from there I had an interest in you know, I was a construction management. I had a construction background. I wanted to learn more about paving and horizontal construction. So ⁓

Seth & Brad (07:09)
Yeah.

Jordan Janet (07:32)
I had asked Rick Moody for an opportunity that eventually he gave me and I started as a safety coordinator for him. And so that kind of got my start on the construction side of things. Did that for a few years and was kind of bugging him to try to get into operations side of things. So he wanted to get me what he called street cred, which literally means like go manage something out in the field, like on the road.

Seth & Brad (07:58)
Take

over a ready-mix plant so far.

Jordan Janet (08:00)
Yeah,

so he, ⁓ I ran, I went over to Illinois and I was running a crew over there, ⁓ like managing subcontractors essentially, doing either traffic control for subcontractors more often than not is what I was doing. So a bunch of night work, driving over there every day, crazy hours, but it was a lot of fun. ⁓

Seth & Brad (08:21)
You know, street cred. Yeah. I don't know that I would call it the same thing, but you got a lot of experience. Yeah. From that.

Jordan Janet (08:28)
I did for sure.

that's real. mean, Rick calls it street cred, that's real. mean, getting out there and getting dirty with the crew and with the people out there. mean, it was fun. I mean, it really was fun.

Seth & Brad (08:42)
was a season

of life, like where you could do that. mean, a lot of people do it today, no matter what season of life they're in, but I guess you're fortunate to be in the season of life you were in at the time.

Jordan Janet (08:45)
Yeah, well.

So I had, speaking to that, did have two kids at the time and found out we were pregnant with our third while I was doing that. So that got a lot

Seth & Brad (09:04)
Little sketchy. ⁓

thought that was before. When you started, you just... ⁓

Jordan Janet (09:13)
No, so then it was

⁓

That wasn't planned. We didn't mean to do it that way. But that's how it happened. So then I was, ⁓ we had a little driveway. We were doing Route 34 at the time and the foreman that was doing a lot of the incidental paving, far more experienced and knowledgeable than I, ⁓ but his health just wasn't holding up. So Rick asked if I could go out and learn to do some driveways and side roads on the Route 34 job.

I had one guy that was

Seth & Brad (09:49)
or street cred. Yeah.

Street cred means do the stuff that no one.

Jordan Janet (09:54)
Nobody

else wants to do it. Yeah, that's me. So ⁓ one guy had a little bit of experience because he had done a short stint with us before. Otherwise, I had a green crew with a green foreman learning to do driveways and side streets. I did that for a while. ⁓ Was supposed to be some kind of project manager estimator for our Illinois DOT work, but this was all kind of happening simultaneously.

Seth & Brad (10:21)
Yeah, didn't really make it there.

Jordan Janet (10:23)
No, didn't make it there. But the guy that replaced me in the safety realm didn't work out. So ⁓ I got an opportunity to go back into that with kids, thought, OK, that might be better fit for now. So then I got back into safety. And so I ended up spending probably, I've been here 15 years now, I think I did eight or nine of them in safety. Maybe more than that.

Seth & Brad (10:44)
That's not

total though. Yeah. But your last stint was seven, eight.

Jordan Janet (10:52)
Probably, yeah.

Seth & Brad (10:54)
Now, sales manager, sales manager. What, six months?

Jordan Janet (10:56)
Now sales major. Still learning it.

Yeah, right at it, I believe. So it's fun. It's ⁓ met a lot of people along the way. ⁓ I think between my start with my internship, as I mentioned, and then doing ⁓ safety and being able to do kind of the...

culture advancement and doing those ⁓ workshops and facilitating those conversations has afforded me the opportunity to probably meet more people at Delta and get to know more people at Delta than a lot of other positions can. So I really enjoyed that about it. Not everybody, but virtually everybody.

Seth & Brad (11:37)
That's true, you know everybody. Virtually everybody. It's

really served you well, knowing some of those tougher positions that you've been in, where you've been doing front line supervision, boots on the ground type work. It's helped you along in your career, especially in safety, whenever you need to have relationships with our employees. ⁓

I think a lot of times that's about the only way you can get respect from some folks. Yeah. Yeah, you've been there and done it. It's good.

Jordan Janet (12:12)
It's

been good. It's been a lot of fun. ⁓

I know we talk a lot, and I've said this before, talking about my experience with Delta, we talk a lot about how our people are our number one asset and we really do have good people. And I always tell people, that's not BS, I'm not making that up. I've been around, I've met all the people, we do have good people. We attract and we keep and we try to keep good people. That's what we look for and that's what we've got.

most rewarding piece of it, think, is the people that we work with.

Seth & Brad (12:49)
Yeah. Totally agree. Yeah. We'll get into your sales manager transition, I think, in the future. That'd be a good one. What it's like. What's your story? I don't know. What's yours? you want to go last? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well, Seth Stevens now. ⁓ So I also went to SEMO Southeast Missouri State. ⁓

Jordan Janet (12:57)
I think so.

Seth & Brad (13:19)
Took my time going through school, know, Changed my major a couple times. Always been attracted to numbers, I guess. And business in general. Did a couple different internships. started, well, I guess like if you do an accounting program in business school, you're pretty much beat into your head that you should do public accounting.

and it's all set up to take the CPA exam whenever you graduate. Which is similar to like a bar for law or a PE, professional engineer for engineering or... or design work for an engineer. okay. It's different for other stuff.

That's really just... It's what's sexy. okay. Vertical construction, bridges. Okay. The sexy stuff. yeah. I think what we do is sexy. A lot of people don't. Yeah, well...

Jordan Janet (14:08)
That's what scared me the way.

Back up. What were your other degrees?

Seth & Brad (14:24)
I

only have one. I only made it out with one. But I was a math major.

Jordan Janet (14:31)
math maybe.

Seth & Brad (14:32)
I

was gonna be an actuary. So I was gonna be locked in a room just looking at numbers, I think, in hindsight. to a podcast and was talking about actuaries and how much money they make. Yeah, they make a lot. I think I was probably more drawn to that rather than the actual stuff. But essentially, you like underwrite insurance and stuff, I think. Obviously, I didn't go into it, so I don't know. I think it was a good thing because actuaries are almost like AIs doing away with.

Well, that's true. Yeah, it's like risk assessment, a lot of risk assessment. like, yeah, we don't have to get into all that, but it's a lot of math. And so SEMO didn't have a major for that. So what they recommended was a math major to take all these courses and then like minor in business or accounting, because that's essentially what an actuarial program was like. And I got pretty far into that and then got into like a

four or 500 level math class about like statistical regression, which is like mixing calculus with stats. And I could not understand a single word that the professor was saying. And I was like, bro, I don't think this is for me anymore. And so was already minoring in business stuff and accounting. And I was like, I really like this. This is going well. I'm like drawn to that. So I just changed my major to accounting, but then they make you retake all the business stuff.

I got to retake business stats, which is like crazy because I had already taken a bunch of advanced statistics classes anyway. So I started an internship and I interned in public accounting. I was like, I knew right away, no, I don't want to do this. Like filling out people's tax returns and going and auditing health departments and stuff like that.

And so then I did my next internship here. I think it was actually that I did the public one in the spring and then interned here in the summer. Similar, I didn't start the same year as you, but June 1st. Yeah, think it was 2015 is when I started. So I did that similar to Jordan. actually graduated in December that year. So I worked part-time.

Jordan Janet (16:43)
Clearly.

Seth & Brad (16:56)
and then got a full-time position in January of the next year. So I was a staff accountant. Back then we were construction and manufacturing. But construction was, yeah, separate states still. It was still geography based. Yeah. And manufacturing was kind all in Missouri. Anyway, I worked for the construction team and I did...

pretty much trucking and like accounts payable for like a year and a half or something like that. Then we had kind of a shakeup and people moved around a lot and I moved to corporate as a corporate accountant. So that just meant like I handled, that's all. That's here, street cred. That's my street cred. Corporate office. Yeah, that's right. Something like that. And I did like,

Mainly fixed assets, so that's like all your equipment stuff, so spending your capex money and getting it in the books at the right price and depreciating it and all that kind of stuff. And then doing a lot of like analysis reports and combining all the region's numbers before we like send them to Colas stuff because we were, know, Delta was standalone at the time, so we had to report directly to Colas.

I think I was in that role for like nine months or something. And then we swapped from manufacturing and construction to North and South, so geography based. So this would have been early 2018. And I just had the opportunity to go to Arkansas. So that's when I became controller there. I met the man over here. days of my life.

⁓ Yeah, and so I moved out, Taylor and I moved down there. We lived there for about three years, did the whole controller gig. COVID happened during all that time, which was a crazy, you know, I think time for everybody, ⁓ especially for us as we were like starting a family away from home. So ⁓ we took the opportunity to move back to Cape and do a lot of that role remotely, but

you know, come down to Arkansas once a week and stuff like that. And I did that for the next four years. I was in that role for six, I think, total. And then 24.

Is this year Yeah. 24, summer of 24, moved into this role, Division Controller. So helping you guys out with whatever needs to be done, I suppose. You're doing the business. Yeah, that's right. Some financial guidance and trying to grow the business and have fun while doing it and kind of set the tone for everybody and build a fun culture, do things like this.

shared knowledge. It's pretty cool to see the progression in both of y'all's stories. mean, when you started, you had no idea where you're going to end up. Oh yeah, that's fair. You can't even begin to guess. Whenever you come out of school, it's just funny you have all these plans and what you want for your career. yeah, that's And person who actually happens is one. If I could talk to myself from 10 years ago, I'd be like, you're so dumb right now.

You think you're really smart right now, but you're very dumb. You know what Yeah, you 10 years ago. Yeah. If I could tell myself. Yeah, I knew you 10 years ago, so I agree with you. Yeah, right? There's a lot of people who probably do.

Jordan Janet (20:46)
I thought I'd be anywhere other than Cape Girardeau Coming out of college.

Seth & Brad (20:49)
that's fair too, yeah.

Your plan was to go somewhere else? Yeah.

Jordan Janet (20:55)
I already knew my wife. We've been together off and on since I was 16 years old, but I graduated college about a semester, maybe a year, a semester before she did. And so we kept talking about where are we going to go whenever she graduates college.

Now your turn.

Seth & Brad (21:13)
My turn. Brad Marotti. Brad Marotti. Yeah. Man, I interned in 2008. was

Jordan Janet (21:22)
You were two years- I

always thought you were a year before me. Man. I thought I was gonna be VP next year. I thought I was just a year behind. I gotta wait two?

Seth & Brad (21:34)
You might be. Yeah, keep it up big boy. We'll see what happens. I interned in 2008. ⁓ I grew up just outside of Memphis, a called Crawfordsville. ⁓ So it's about two and a half, three hours from Cape. I grew up on a farm. I always knew that I wanted to be in. You know, I guess my thought was that I wanted a

Jordan Janet (21:37)
False David, false David.

Seth & Brad (22:03)
a job in.

something that I'm going to spend the majority of time outside, building things. ⁓ I wanted to do it in four years, and I wanted to make as much money as I could with a four-year degree. What profession would that be? You thought about this a lot more than I did. Yeah. My mom actually bought me a book. ⁓ my gosh. Of all of the, like, careers.

with what they do and the average salaries and all that stuff. That's crazy. What can I do in four You're living a calculated life, brother. I know, man. I have a plan, usually. What can I do in four years where I could maximize income in my lifetime? And I came up with engineering. Yeah. I think thinking back, you could do anything. could choose to go with any degree. It's all about you. Yeah. But anyway.

But yeah, I chose the civil engineering, so I went to Arkansas State. I had a civil engineering program. I got done in four years. The last year I interned with Delta. I interned with the highway department, then interned with Delta. I knew that I wanted to be on the dark side, the challenging side where you're actually doing the work, building things. So I started full-time in 2009. Went to work for John Bennett and Rick Moody.

yeah. was the, you know... ⁓ Craig Queen. ⁓ yeah. Yeah. The school of hard knocks. That's how they came up. Yeah. The school of hard knocks. And they'll tell you about it. And they knew, they know the business. You know, they started off flagging. And you know, I come, I'm coming out of engineering school. Yeah. I'm thinking I'm something, you know, I'm smart. There's not another engineer that works for this company here.

in the state, like this is, this is gonna be easy. And then you realize very quickly that you know nothing. Humble pie. School doesn't actually teach you that much. Yeah, and John and Rick do not, it doesn't bother them to serve up that humble pie. His saying is he'll let you get a mouth full of water, but I'm not gonna let you drown. But I, you know, I loved it. I loved who I worked with. I loved working with John. I loved working with Rick.

Jordan Janet (24:06)
Here's some ho-

Seth & Brad (24:28)
you know, all of the guys that were doing the work out in the field, tough, they're tough. But, you know, as long as you don't show up acting like you know everything, then they'll teach you. So that's how I started. That's very true too. I got some of that humble pie from John when I came to Arkansas. Yeah. So that's all accurate. Anyway, keep going. Sorry I didn't mean to interrupt. No, that's good.

So Estimator was my official title that I started with. You know, was right out of the gate. I was working up projects that I knew nothing about. You know, they were helping me, making sure that we didn't mess up too bad. But at that time, the lettings were in Little Rock, two hours away, in a hotel room. I packed up two suitcases full of computers, printers.

Jordan Janet (25:22)
Yeah.

Seth & Brad (25:22)
Yeah,

it's wild. You literally had a mobile workstation and that was a very different definition than today's mobile workstations. Packed up a projector, had a projector. We projected the letting on the wall of the hotel. There's smoke in the hotel. So there's smoke in front of the projector.

Jordan Janet (25:40)
hotel room.

Seth & Brad (25:47)
mean, thinking back. This is a whole different. ⁓ It's so much different than today. It's wild how fast it changed. Yeah. How fast it changes. But I wouldn't trade that. mean, those are good memories.

Jordan Janet (25:57)
I would

Back then, didn't you not get, in Arkansas specifically, didn't you not get the results until you were driving home on the radio?

Seth & Brad (26:08)
They've read them off one at a time. So you had to physically print off, like I'm running back and forth to the lobby because they're printing off our quotes from our subcontractors. So I'm going to the lobby, getting these quotes, coming back, plugging them in, trying to decide which ones to use.

God, you're just hoping nobody else who grabbed your quote. Yeah. Right? mean, yeah. Because everybody's using the same printer? Yeah. Or fax machine or whatever? I mean, they end up, they know who I was, you know, because we'd go up there every other month. Well, yeah, I just mean, yeah. But you know, they could hand it to someone else. Yeah. Okay. Pretty easily. All right. Anyway. Anyway, once the bids were done, you printed them off physically, had to go, which we had the printer in the room.

So we printed them off, stapled them, to put them in a sealed envelope and turn them in. And then the next day on the way home, we were listening to a radio station, 94.7. And someone from the highway department reads them off. And at that time they weren't reading them off in order. They're like alphabetical? Well, they got to where they're reading off the lowest one first. And that took the fun out of it. Yeah, that's true. For the first five years, they were reading off just

Alphabetical order. Yeah. Yeah, so you were hanging on sometimes to the very last. Yeah number. That's wild. know, like we're all I'm writing them down as we're driving back down the road Anyway, those are good memories. That's the estimating days. I did that for estimating project management for I don't know six or seven years. Yeah My kids would have something funny to say about that. So six seven. Oh six seven six seven six seven

It's funny, a lot of people say six or seven. You'll think about that now. Okay. Yeah, they really do. So this is like 2014-ish? 2014, 2015? Yeah. Just moved over into more of project management role. We had an estimator at the time. Brought an estimator on. Had some interstate projects. Learned a lot about building work. Moved into a construction manager role.

moved from construction manager to assistant regional manager. Then regional manager when John was in the division manager spot. then, you know, went from there to divisional manager or VP of operations. Yeah, 16 years later. So I feel like we just spent five minutes on Six Years Your Life and then we just zoomed through the last 11. No, no, I was tired of talking. No joke, dude.

I was about to say it seems like 2015 should be like two years ago, but it's 10. That's crazy. Yeah, I mean the rest of the time, I mean, I've learned, I've learned a lot. company, positions don't do anything. The company has changed That's why it was so fast. During that time. What'd you say? I was joking. What'd you say? I said, well, those positions don't do anything. That's why it was so fast. Yeah. As Don Brumley would say, was dead weight. In those positions.

I'm just kidding. You did a lot. I was with you through a lot of it. A lot of it. changed a lot through that time period. mean, just the way technology has increased, changed the way that we do lettings, changed the way we manage projects, changed the way that we look at jobs.

And also, requirements from our parent company have changed a lot too. Well, that's true. The type of the work that we do has gotten more complicated with the DOTs and also like the requirements we have with our reporting to our parent company has changed a lot. We've picked up a lot of positions from then until now. And things have just gotten a little more complicated. Well, yeah, for sure. I mean, if you started as like an intern and right out of school with it was you and...

region manager and a construction manager. That's essentially right. Mm-hmm. Yeah That's it to today, which you know granted we're doing we're doing a lot. We've grown. We're doing a lot more work We have successfully grown the scope of our work in Arkansas Which is where I come from the majority of my career Yeah, we've got two project managers

Full time estimator, construction manager. Mm-hmm. Surveying. What we're doing.

probably three times the amount of work that we were doing from back then. Plus, like you said, requirements change. DOT requires a lot. And then that guys that are actually doing the work, the foreman, plant foreman, road foreman, that structure is similar. But the jobs that they're managing are a lot more complicated today than they were 15 years ago. Yeah.

Well, over time, everything's about minimizing risk and responsibility and stuff like that. So naturally, scope gets more difficult. DOT or any owner, whatever, is going to try to push more of the risk and ownership to the contractor. Make sure they do it. Best as they can. It's It's probably six years ago. Really transitioning from... I was going to say six

Jordan Janet (31:52)
You were, yeah.

Seth & Brad (31:55)
Six years ago, really transitioned from more of a management role to a leadership role. you're, you know, the focus, it may not have been that long ago, five, four or five years ago, where the focus really changes to people. It's not, I'm not worried so much about the day-to-day operations or, I'm still worried about those things, but we've got people in place that are managing those things. Yeah, for sure.

We're focused on setting the correct path and making sure everybody has the tools that they need and looking at growth paths and, you know, what do we foresee happening in the next three to five years, let alone 10 years, and how do we set it up most successfully for then? Yeah, and making sure the right people are in the right places so they can accomplish the goals that we've got that we need to accomplish to grow our company. Right. To hit our target.

our five-year target. For sure.

Jordan Janet (32:53)
I feel like that's something that we always talked about, but the way that we have approached it has changed wildly in the last seven or eight years, maybe.

Seth & Brad (33:04)
Did you want to say six or seven? Okay, just checking.

Jordan Janet (33:09)
But I think what I mean to say is it's for the good. Talking more about who's the right fit, what's best for the organization to set us up for success, and then who's the right fit for that role and how can we set them up for success in that role. I feel like that's been a positive change.

Seth & Brad (33:13)
Yeah.

Hmm.

Yeah, I think that's like a culture and market thing too. Sure. Like you had younger generations come into the workforce. Like I do think that we've embraced it for sure and like move towards that but it was a shift that you either pick it up and stay with it or you don't and you might get left in the dust. Right. Or you're not attracting maybe top newer talent or anything, know, things like that.

Jordan Janet (33:50)
Mm.

Seth Stevens (34:02)
We made it. So as you heard, we've had some unexpected paths to where we are now, which has exposed us to a lot of opportunities and shown us that there's not only one path to the future for a lot of positions. If you all enjoyed the episode, please rate our show and leave a review on Apple podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen, and check out Delta on all social media platforms at Delta Companies and our website at delta.cos. ⁓

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