The People Contingency | Avoid Staff Turnover in ABA
What happens when the people part doesn’t go to plan? This podcast tackles the realities of building, managing, and sustaining people systems—especially in mission-driven fields like autism care, healthcare, and education. We cover recruiting, training, HR systems, psychological safety, and retention. Expect honest conversations about what actually works to hire better, support teams, and lead with purpose—without losing sight of the humans behind the work.
The People Contingency | Avoid Staff Turnover in ABA
12 | How to Build Systems That Actually Develop People (Not Just Manage Them) with Allyson Wharam
Every field has stories about why people leave. In ABA, we say it's burnout—the emotional weight, the billable hours pressure, the inconsistent pay. And all of that is real. But it's not the whole story.
According to BCBA, instructional designer, and founder of Sidekick Learning Allyson Wharam, the root of retention begins long before burnout ever shows up. It begins in the systems that train us, supervise us, and shape whether people feel like analysts or just interventionists. When supervision cracks, everything downstream does too.
In this episode, Allyson explores why supervision is the cornerstone of retention, how organizations unintentionally create structural fatigue, and what it takes to build training systems that help people grow with clarity, confidence, and a roadmap they can actually see.
In this conversation, Allyson breaks down:
- Why turnover is often a systems problem, not an individual one.
- What “structural fatigue” looks like for trainees and new BCBAs.
- How organizations can standardize without becoming rigid.
- What curriculum design looks like when it’s built backwards from competence.
- Why supervisors need tools—not just hours—to do their job well.
- How to identify a trainee’s true skill level beyond “hours completed.”
- What great matching looks like between supervisors and student analysts.
- How specialized roles and job crafting strengthen retention.
- Why visibility into one’s own data and progress fuels motivation and clarity.
- How systems communicate value, opportunity, and belonging through what they reinforce.
Ideas Worth Sharing:
- “Behavior analysis should not be this cookie-cutter cookbook approach. If someone is not trained with those really core conceptual foundations, then they do become more of an interventionist versus an analyst.” - Allyson Wharam
- "The 40-hour training… it's both too much and not enough at the same time." - Allyson Wharam
- “We can't take things in isolation. We have to look at everything as a function of the system, and then we can be more intentional about how we're making changes so that we can move the organization forward.” - Allyson Wharam
Resources mentioned:
- A Call for Discussion About Scope of Competence in Behavior Analysis - PMC
- New Mager Six-Pack by Robert F. Mager
- Designing Effective Instruction by Tiemann & Markle (available through Morningside Academy)
- In the Field: The ABA Podcast Episode 29: Preventing Crisis and Building Culture: Leadership Lessons with Dr. Paul "Paulie" Gavoni
About the Guest
Allyson Wharam is a Board Certified Behavior Analyst, instructional designer, and the founder of Sidekick Learning, where she designs competency-based supervision and training systems for ABA organizations. She holds a master's degree in Instructional Design & Technology from the University of Virginia and completed her behavior analysis coursework through the Florida Institute of Technology. She is also the host of In the Field, a podcast where she brings honest, practitioner-level conversations about qualit
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