The People Contingency | Avoid Staff Turnover in ABA
What happens when the people part doesn’t go to plan? This podcast tackles the realities of building, managing, and sustaining people systems—especially in mission-driven fields like autism care, healthcare, and education. We cover recruiting, training, HR systems, psychological safety, and retention. Expect honest conversations about what actually works to hire better, support teams, and lead with purpose—without losing sight of the humans behind the work.
Episodes
13 episodes
13 | Why People Stay: The Hidden Conditions That Create Workplace Commitment with Joe Mull
Every generation thinks the one behind it doesn’t want to work. But what if the real issue isn’t work ethic at all?In this episode, leadership researcher, author, and founder of Boss Hero School Joe Mull examines what truly fuels ...
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Episode 13
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46:08
12 | How to Build Systems That Actually Develop People (Not Just Manage Them) with Allyson Wharam
Every field has stories about why people leave. In ABA, we say it's burnout—the emotional weight, the billable hours pressure, the inconsistent pay. And all of that is real. But it's not the whole story.According to BCBA, instru...
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Episode 12
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51:13
11 | Attention Management, Culture, & Empowered Productivity with Maura Nevel Thomas
Most leaders assume their biggest challenge is time—not enough of it, too much to do, and a calendar that never stops filling. But according to productivity expert and award-winning author Maura Nevel Thomas, time isn’t the problem ...
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Episode 11
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42:05
10 | Compassion, Ethics & Mistake-Forward Leadership in ABA with Dr. Tyra Sellers
Most leaders think solving workforce challenges comes down to data, compliance, or improving systems.But what if the real leverage point is far more human—compassion, ethics, and the courage to have honest conversations?Dr. Tyra S...
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Episode 10
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55:35
9 | Language, Integrity & Leadership: Rethinking Burnout from the Inside Out with Scott Herbst
Most leaders assume burnout comes from heavy workloads, unrealistic targets, or a lack of self-care.But what if the real driver is something far more foundational — the way we relate to ourselves, our language, and even our sense of time...
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Episode 9
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50:23
8 | You Don’t Get a Union—You Earn One: How Approachable Leadership Closes the Trust Gap with Phillip Wilson
When union whispers start circulating among your staff, most leaders panic. They tighten policies, hold mandatory meetings, or double down on compliance.Phillip Wilson, president of the Labor Relations Institute and founder o...
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Episode 8
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36:21
7 | Reinforcing the Right Systems: How Behavioral Science Solves Turnover with Dr. Heather McGee
When turnover feels endless, most leaders look for quick fixes: bonuses, new policies, tighter oversight.Dr. Heather McGee from Western Michigan University invites us to pause and ask better questions. What if the problem isn’t people, b...
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Episode 7
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48:30
6 | People-First Systems: Building Strong Teams and Reducing Turnover with Chris Deferio
High turnover is one of the biggest headaches for leaders, especially when working with a young workforce entering their very first jobs. Most businesses try to fix the problem with incentives, strict policies, or constant hiring cycles. But wh...
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Episode 6
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45:17
5 | Beyond Training, Start Coaching: The Smarter Way to Lead with Dr. Nicholas Weatherly
Most leaders say they’re drowning in meetings. The calendar is packed, the interruptions never stop, and the things they love about their work get buried under “urgent” noise. But what if the fix wasn’t another productivity hack, but r...
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Episode 5
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44:02
4 | Unhealed Trauma and How It Shows Up at with Katrina Collier
In this episode of the People Contingency Podcast, Holli Beth interviews Katrina Collier, who discusses her latest book, 'The Damage of Words,' and her journey of healing from childhood trauma. Katrina shares insights on the importance of inner...
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Episode 4
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48:56
3 | Beyond Compliance: How Data is Transforming HR and Culture with Jennifer McClure
In this conversation, Holli Beth and Jennifer McClure explore the evolving role of HR in organizations, emphasizing its importance beyond compliance to fostering culture and engagement. They discuss the significance of data in HR practices, the...
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Episode 3
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47:33
2 | The Hidden Cost of Remote Work with Peter Cappelli
In this episode, Holli Beth sits down with Peter Cappelli to unpack the evolving realities of remote and hybrid work. They explore why office culture still matters, how mentorship and collaboration shift in distributed teams, and what’s at stak...
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Episode 2
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38:15
1| Are You Really Seeing Your People? with Angela Pointer
In this episode, Angela Pointer delivers real talk on people-first leadership—sharing how intentional living shapes intentional leadership, and how aligning values with action builds trust, belonging, and real workplace culture.<...
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Season 1
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Episode 1
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