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If you’ve ever wondered whether aging, brain fog, low energy, inflammation, and burnout are really just “normal” or if there’s something deeper happening underneath the surface, this episode will completely challenge the way you think about health. In part one of this fascinating conversation, we sit down with Ashley Grace, Chief Marketing Officer of Igniton, to explore cellular health, NAD+, mitochondria, inflammation, stress, and why so many people feel depleted in modern life. What starts as a conversation about supplements quickly turns into a much bigger discussion about how the body actually creates energy, why recovery changes as we age, and whether we’ve been thinking about health at the wrong level entirely.

Ashley shares his personal story of surviving a devastating accident, navigating chronic pain, and eventually entering the alternative health and CBD world through Charlotte’s Web, the company that helped bring CBD into the national spotlight after the remarkable story of Charlotte Figi.

We also dive into:

  • What mitochondria actually do and why they matter 
  • NAD+ explained in simple terms 
  • Why energy production changes as we age 
  • Brain fog, inflammation, stress, and modern life 
  • The connection between cellular health and longevity 
  • Why Ashley believes health should be viewed as an interconnected system, not isolated symptoms 
  • The role hydrogen may play in the body 
  • The science and philosophy behind Igniton’s products 
  • Why some supplements may work differently than others 
  • The future of health optimization and biohacking 

And honestly… this is one of those episodes where our minds were genuinely blown in real time.

This is part one of a two-part conversation. In part two, we go even deeper into supplementation, biomarkers, cognition, sleep, consciousness, energy, and the future of wellness technology.

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Sandi Magder

Welcome back to the Health Hut, a human, humble, and sometimes mind-blowing exploration of how to better understand our health. Today's episode is part of a fascinating conversation with Ashley Grace, the Chief of Marketing Officer at Ignaton, a supplement and wellness company exploring the intersection of cellular health, longevity, cognition, and what they call quantum energy. In this conversation, we talk about everything from Charlotte's Webb and the early CBD movement to mitochondria, NAD plus, inflammation, aging, brain fog, and why I actually believe we need to stop thinking about health as fixing isolated parts and start thinking about the body as an interconnected system. And actually has a gift for turning some very complex concepts into surprising relatable analogies. A fair warning, there's several moments in this discussion where our minds are collectively blown in real time. So just prepare yourselves now. This episode gets delightfully dirty in the best possible way as we get into some very cool new technology. And now everyone's favorite part. The Health Hunt Podcast is for informational and entertainment purposes only. We're not medical professionals, and nothing shared should be considered medical advice. Always consult your healthcare provider before making changes to your health. Now, let's get into part one of our conversation with Ashley Grace.

Dan Schuman

Today we're

Meet Ashley Grace & the Story Behind Igniton

Dan Schuman

joined by Ashley Grace, the Chief Marketing Officer of Ignaton, a company pushing the boundaries of how we think about supplements, performance, and the body's internal environment. Ashley's journey into this space is anything but typical. Following a life-altering accident and years spent navigating recovery, he was pulled into a deeper exploration of brain health, human performance, and ultimately the intersection of science and consciousness. That experience set him on a path that now informs the work he's doing at Ignaton, helping translate complex and emerging ideas into something that can actually understand and apply. He brings a unique blend of personal experience, curiosity, and a professional background that makes this conversation especially interesting. One reason we wanted to have Ashley join us on this podcast is because he brings a very different lens to health and performance. One that's less about quick fixes and more about understanding how the entire system actually worked. And beyond all that, he's got a really compelling story about what led him to egg the tongue. Ashley, great to have you here. And as a fellow Indiana University Bloomington Hoosier myself, it's especially good to have you on. Absolutely. National champions. You got it.

Sandi Magder

All right. So I'm not cool enough to be a Hoosier. I don't have any national champions, but I'm very excited for this conversation because I know we're going to get down and nerdy today. And so I'm here for that. So welcome, Ashley. Thanks for being here.

Ashley Grace

Thank you, Daniel and Sandy, for having me. It's excited to excited to be here and um talk with you guys again. So thank you.

Dan Schuman

You got it. So let's start where it all where it all matters, Ashley. Can you run us to your backstory?

Ashley Grace

Yeah, I'll I'll give you the high-level view. I'm um I'm a finance guy who got into marketing years ago, really, because of a focus on ROI. And I had a had an accident along that journey. And uh I've got two plates in my head here and like eight screws holding my face back together. That took me through, you know, quite a quite a bit of uh issues with nerve pain and migraines and all kinds of stuff. And and I early in my career I worked quite heavily in the pharmaceutical industry on the marketing side. And so when I had my accident, I kind of looked to the pharma industry for help and I couldn't function on the drugs that they were wanting me to take. I just I couldn't work, I couldn't support my family. So I had to find a different path. And that kind of led me to alternative medicine, the CBD world. I became very intrigued by that. I started, you know, CBD really helped me. I started volunteering and then I met the folks at Charlotte's Web, and they had just uh launched the company, you know, about a year or so before, um, and they had some funding money and they asked me to come on as their founding CMO. So I I kind of got the keys to the car from a marketing perspective for the first time. I'd always worked on helping other big-time marketers, you know, PNG, Pfizer, Walmart, those types of guys with their marketing. And now all of a sudden I was running

The Charlotte’s Web Story & CBD’s Rise

Ashley Grace

a startup brand in the in the alternative medicine CBD world. So it was fun. I learned a lot. You know, we helped a lot of people. Had some great heartwarming stories along the way of families that would write in and talk about their life-changing events that they had. Long story short, grew the company from 4 million to 40 million in under two years. It was crazy fun. And then I left and became a consultant. And I did that for many years, and I was pretty happy doing that. Uh, and then in the last couple years, went through COVID, and then things, my family's evolved into a different state with my son, you know, kind of going to college. And I started missing being part of a team, you know, acting as a consultant. I was kind of out always just going very shallow into a bunch of different companies, and I missed kind of what we had at Charlotte's Web and being able to go deep into with one company again. As it just as I started thinking about that and what that meant for my career, I came across this opportunity at Ignaton. And, you know, the universe delivers things to you when you're when you least expect them sometimes. And and um, so clearly I'd put that signal out to the universe indirectly, perhaps, but it was there, and I went from zero to a hundred. I I saw the job, I was like, wow, this sounds great. It's part of Gaia, which is the streaming media platform, which I was a big fan of as well. And so anyway, I I threw my hat into the ring and I within under two weeks I was a founding CMO at Ignaton. Fast forward now, it's been about a year since I've been here, and we've been growing rapidly as well. And I met you guys on the on the conference circuit not too long ago.

Dan Schuman

Yep, good old eudaimonia. Great conference, and uh lucky to have you on. As far as Charlotte's web, uh just uh because I'm I've heard of it. Was that um based off of a mother and her daughter with um seizures? Was that the kind of the idea there?

Ashley Grace

Absolutely. Paige Figgy is the mother, and uh, she's a saint. Charlotte was her little girl who unfortunately passed away during COVID. Terrible story that that happened. But really, it came down to when Charlotte was was little, she was having hundreds, if not thousands, of seizures per week. And the doctors wouldn't, they couldn't do anything for her. And um they basically just told Paige to to keep her comfortable and prepare for her to pass. And uh that's not how Paige operates, she wouldn't accept that. Um, so she she found

Advocating for Yourself in Health

Ashley Grace

the guys at Charlotte's Web, and it's a little murky as to how all of that happened, but um they created a a strain. They had this strain of cannabis that was very low in THC and high in CBD, and nobody knew what this was, and they couldn't really sell it in the cannabis market because it didn't get you high, and nobody wanted that. So somehow Paige found them and they decided to give it a try with Charlotte. And everybody was nervous about that because it's a little girl and you know, who wants to be a part of harming a small child, but it didn't harm her. Not only it didn't harm her, it it changed her life. It she went from thousands of seizures per week down to you know just a couple per week, which it sounds like a lot to us who don't experience this stuff, but to them it was a dramatic, you know, life-changing event. And

Stop Treating Parts: The Body as an Interconnected System

Ashley Grace

anyway, Paige then went on to, you know, be a lobbyist pretty heavily. She's pretty much responsible for the CBD market existing today and for the passage of the Farm Bill, which legalized it, quote unquote. And the FDA has always continued to fight this. They still don't recognize CBD as a dietary supplement. Anyway, yeah, it it was that's how it all happened. And then um Dr. Sanjay Gupta

Mitochondria, NAD+ & Why Energy Declines With Age

Ashley Grace

heard about this and went out and did a story, which is probably where you guys heard about it. Um, he did a story on big, big expose on it, and that kind of blew it up, got the national coverage, and one thing led to another, and and it became it it transitioned from a medical marijuana or medical cannabis product into a hemp extract, is the classification.

Sandi Magder

I think I've actually taken it. It sounds familiar because I have chronic pain, and so years ago I did a lot of research on CBD, but we love this story because one of the central themes of the podcast is sort of advocate for yourself. You know, like doctors say certain things, you don't have to listen. You can do your own research and you can try your own things. And that's, you know, we're not medical experts, but that's just really one of the principles that we think is very important. So it's such a good story for everything we're doing.

Ashley Grace

Yeah, absolutely. I couldn't agree more. Uh, I've got good friends who are doctors and I respect doctors. There's a lot of good people out there that are doing it. But for all of us, the best thing you could possibly do is just keep yourself healthy so you don't have to go into that system because there's there's just a lot of things that can go wrong in that path.

Dan Schuman

Yeah, absolutely. Couldn't agree more. And your personal background and professional background have framed all this about igniton. And so we're excited to jump into learning more about Ignaton.

Sandi Magder

Before we get into the topic of supplements, which I know we're going to discuss later, I think you have a very different way of looking at the body itself. And this is one of the things that was very attractive with respect to having you as a guest. And so we know from some of our conversations that you talk about health not as fixing parts, and this really leads into sort of what we just talked about, but optimizing a system. So can you kind of walk us through what that really means?

Ashley Grace

Yeah. I I always kind of like to start with the basics. Body is made up of millions or billions or maybe trillions. I don't know exactly the number, but lots of cells, right? That's what creates our body. And those cells, if you know, I've given an analogy of um, they need power to run. So think of the cell as kind of like your your cell phone, pardon the pun, but it needs a battery to be able to operate. And that battery in our bodies within each cell is something called the mitochondria. And a lot of talk about mitochondria optimization and the biohacking and health and wellness and longevity space. So I'm sure most people have heard of what that is. You know, it basically is the engine of the cell that that creates the power so the cells can continue to live and thrive and regenerate and give yourself your body and your life. But what happens is those cells, that battery needs to be charged. And so if you think about something, NAD plus is a molecule that's in this analogy acts as the charger to keep that mitochondria going. And so your cell phone doesn't work if it doesn't have a battery and it doesn't, and that doesn't work if that battery isn't able to be charged. And so the NAD plus ends up being a very important part of this conversation. And you can't really supplement NAD plus. I mean, you can, but it doesn't absorb into your body very well. It's not like you could just take NAD plus and solve this problem. You really have to create the environment for your body to naturally produce the NAD plus and to efficiently use it and to manage that uh organically within your body rather than just supplementing directly NAD plus into your body. Now, the challenge is NAD plus declines every year after the age of 25. So it's about 1% per year, and about the time you get to 50 years old, you are at half your levels of NAD plus from where you started, and then you're losing 1% every year after that. So that gets concerning because that means your charger isn't working to charge your battery, and so that means your cells don't have enough power, and this is what aging is all about, again, in this simplistic analogy. Now, when all that happens, you know, you you start to get issues, perhaps. You know, you you start to have things like brain fog, you start to have low energy,

Root Causes, Brain Fog & Cellular Health

Ashley Grace

you start to have your joints aches and pains, sleep disruptions, slow metabolism, which is something that I've kind of faced in in my in my life as well, is you know, my energy my energy seems good, joints seem good, I sleep really well, but my metabolism slowed down, right? And so it doesn't, it impacts different individuals differently, and we all but we're all impacted by this lack of a charger for our for our batteries and our cells. Now, we live in a really strange world nowadays, right? So it's uh there's all kinds of crazy stuff happening. You know, as we started talking about off-camera before the the show started, you gotta keep the big wheels rolling, right? You gotta keep the money coming in, your family taken care of, and work and and family and and stress and the anxiety of our world. Um all of this stuff causes other issues. And going back to our example, you can kind of think of the stress and inflammation as being like a really weak Wi-Fi signal. So back to our cell phone example and our bodies. You know, what happens when you have a weak Wi-Fi signal is everything takes longer, right? The everything has to buffer. Your phone is using more battery just to do the basics. And so that that challenge of stress and inflammation is really making us drain our batteries even faster, which again just exacerbates this brain fog and which I keep bringing that up because that's like the number one thing. I don't know if you guys hear it, but that's the thing that I hear the most about in our space of longevity is brain fog.

Dan Schuman

So I'll say one thing. I'll just um jump in. I have any number of those symptoms you said brain fog, fatigue. It could be uh was it

Telomeres, Hydrogen & Longevity

Dan Schuman

fatigue, uh, some vestibular issues, energy. I mean, I can't think of the other ones, but they're all part of like a classic list of symptoms that people carry. And any number of things can cause them. And so there's the idea here that instead of looking at that layer, look under that layer at the cellular level to really address root cause instead of maybe you have a sleep issue and you need a CPAP, or maybe you need to, you know, what have you. And so metabolic syndrome, or maybe whatever the case may be. It's it's to really get down to the root cause at the cellular level. Is that how we're looking at this? And then secondly, the NAD plus logo or name, or I've started to see that in various supplements or on marketing materials. Is that something that's trying to be promoted as a supplement that's kind of unsuccessful in its very nature?

Sandi Magder

I see it everywhere. Yeah on my social media now.

Ashley Grace

Yeah, it's it's a big deal. But like I said, it's from what at least from my understanding, I mean, everything's changing every day in our space, right? So there's new innovations and who knows where things are exactly right now. But from all my research, it's a very difficult supplement to take directly. So it's more about facilitating the environment of your body to produce more and to more efficiently use what you have along that path. And so we'll get into some of those ingredients that that we think can help do that as part of this conversation. But I you're right. The issue is is how do we how do we deal with all of this and what what happens? And so I try to simplify this. And I I'm not a doctor. I don't, you know, as I told you again off camera, I'm still learning every day too. So a lot of this stuff I'm I'm trying to digest it myself and then be able to help educate other people along the path about how this stuff is working because I'm interested myself, right? I I'm in my early 50s and well, mid-50s now, but uh I'm very concerned about this stuff. My great-grandfather had Alzheimer's disease and passed away from that, and it was a nightmare to watch. I had a front row seat, just a horrific, horrific condition. I wouldn't wish on anybody. You know, so the brain and and keeping your brain strong is of paramount importance to me, which is one of the things that drew me to Ignaton when I saw this opportunity, frankly, was that keeping your brain strong. None of it none of this other stuff matters if your brain goes, right? You gotta but going back to the analogies, kind of shifting gears a little bit, if you think about this scenario of what's happening within our cells, the chromosomes actually hold our DNA together and they keep this whole thing operating over time. And they kind of act as a, they have their own internal maintenance crew that that comes in and gets rid of bad cells and repairs other cells and helps facilitate this whole thing operating in an efficient, ongoing, regenerative fashion. And they they have chromosomes are have end caps on them called telomeres. And as you get older, one of the key things that happens with aging is that the telomeres get short and they start to fray. Almost like the analogy somebody told me the other day was it's almost like think of like shoelaces, you know, an old pair of shoes, and those little end caps on the shoelaces are the telomeres. Um, and if you got an old pair of shoes, those things start to fray and they don't go through the laces very easy. And they you mess up when you're starting to tie them, you start to they fray, you step on them, and it just causes all kinds of problems. And that's that's what's happening with our bodies as well, with the chromosomes. So what's going on in this scenario is that the maintenance crew

What Makes Igniton Different?

Ashley Grace

that's running this operation to keep all of this stuff going has less power through the batteries that we talked about through the cells, but they also rely on hydrogen. And hydrogen, you think of it as a maintenance crew, what do they need? Well, they need to keep hydrated, right? They need to have fresh water as they're doing their work so they can do what they're need to do. Same thing's happening in our bodies. And hydrogen is a big topic in the longevity and biohacking space as well. I was talking to Gary Brecker the other day about this, and he's big on H2 supplementation and things like that, and taking hydrogen, which is obviously a good thing to do. But your body actually makes molecular hydrogen too. It's it's happening if you eat right, it's made in your gut. And our body's 70% water, which is H2O. So hydrogen is really important to this conversation. And if, you know, one of the things that I've tried to do over the years is really eat better, avoid processed foods, try to eat organic as much as I as I can, um, and really get all the right diet and exercise routines. But hydrogen plays a key role in all of this. Um and that's that kind of takes us into the conversation about igniton and about NAD, because what we're doing at Ignaton is kind of a combination of those two things. We're focusing on ingredients that allow your body to have more efficient usage of its NAD plus and to produce more naturally. So things like nicotiniamide ribose and resveratrol and PQQ, NADH, CoQ10, those are some very common ingredients that or supplements that we use at ignaton because they have this positive impact on the body, in particular on hydrogen, which then helps the chromosomes do their job, helps have more efficient NAD plus usage, it's gonna repower that battery. Your cells are gonna be able to control things better through that stress and inflammation and the slow Wi-Fi reality of our existence. Now, what we do that's unique at igniton, and again, I'll pause after I describe this and we can kind of go into this more if you want. But all of these ingredients, you know, the nicotinamide, ribose, resveratrol, PQQ, all these things are organic compounds. And what's what do organic compounds have in common? They all have a molecular structure that includes hydrogen.

Brain Health, Inflammation & Sleep Optimization

Ashley Grace

Hydrogen is a compound that's in everything almost that we're taking, uh, and the food we eat and and or any organic compound has hydrogen. So, really, the secret of igniton is that we are actually enhancing those hydrogen atoms of each one of those ingredients so that they work better in your body because your body is looking for hydrogen. And that's really, I mean, we've got these peer-reviewed journals have published some of our case studies that we can unpack a little bit more as we as we talk. But we've shown that when these ingredients that we're discussing are charged with igniton quantum energy or enhanced or embedded, however you want to talk about it, we use all these types of words. But basically, we're amplifying the effectiveness of those ingredients on their ability to support that NAD plus molecule because we're amplifying the hydrogen um activity of each compound. So your body's looking for that, right? So when you're 70% water, it's H2O. If you can if you can enhance these hydrogen molecules of these compounds, then your body's gonna process it easier. Now, I I kind of stay away from the word increased bioavailability because I don't really know for sure if that's what's happening, but something's happening because the data shows very clearly that the ignon-charged ingredients significantly outperform the same exact mixture of the non-charged ingredients. And the only difference is that we've enhanced those hydrogen molecules with igniton energy.

Sandi Magder

This is fascinating. I'm trying to wrap, and I guess my question's gonna go to what I'm trying to wrap my brain around because for me, and I've you know, I mentioned that I have chronic pain, so I always joke that the only thing that's works well on me is my brain. And so if that goes, like I don't know what we have left, so I really have to preserve it. And so I know from a lot of your products it's It seems that sort of the key that you're targeting is the brain. Is it the brain that's a driver of all of this activity, or is it more holistic whole body type of thing?

Ashley Grace

Well, we have a couple different products right now. We have a product called Igni Cognition, which is focused on the brain. And we have a product called IGNI longevity, which is focused more on the stress and inflammation biomarkers that are present throughout your body. So basically, certain compounds naturally go to different parts of your body. So we've taken compounds that are all known, like I said, like Cidicoline, alpha GPC, NALT, CoQ10, NADH, all these compounds are known to have positive impact on your brain. So we took those, we put them together, and we charged them with igniton energy, the hydrogen molecules in particular, and had then with the theory being that by doing that, they'll have a better impact on your brain. And that's what the data has actually shown. Now the other product is we call longevity, which is kind of vague and nebulous, but it's really focused on stress and inflammation markers. And so ingredients like nicotinamide, ribose, some of the ones we just talked about, resveratrol, reduced glutathione, berberine, PQQ, those types of things. We do the same thing. Now, those are known to positively impact stress and inflammation. We take them, we enhance their hydrogen molecules with igniton energy. And the data through our university studies that have been published in the peer-reviewed journals show that the process of enhancing the hydrogen leads to a better outcome on lower measures of stress and inflammation, such as IL6 or CRP, which are two of the major chronic inflammation biomarkers. In other words, your body, as you get older, you know, you with stress and inflammation

Quantum Energy & the Future of Supplements

Ashley Grace

impacting our lives, those biomarkers typically go up. And so a healthy individual tries to maintain more healthy levels of those, lowering them as they get older. And that's what our product is focused on doing. Now, in a couple weeks at the Dave Asprey biohacking event, we're going to be launching a third product that's focused on sleep, which I'm excited about because you can't really have a longevity conversation without talking about the importance of sleep. Um, and it's kind of been a missing piece of the Ignaton portfolio. But the early study results that I just got last week on this product show a 25% increase in REM sleep compared to the placebo. That's it's not designed to put you to sleep, but it's designed to have you have a more quality experience while you are sleeping and get a more restorative sleep experience by having that increased REM.

Dan Schuman

As it relates to that sleep product, is it again the hydrogen or quantum aspect of it that's making that accelerated and optimized? It's the same type of theme. Same thing.

Ashley Grace

And I don't have the ingredients in front of me. Literally, all this stuff is happening. We don't even have it bottled yet. We're like, we're racing to get all this stuff done before the biohacking event in May. We had enough of it that we put it into the placebo controlled test. But anyway, yeah, the the idea is completely the same. We have a different set of ingredients that are known to enhance restfulness, getting you to have more rest. And we're enhancing those ingredients with igniton energy being embedded to those hydrogen molecules in the same process.

Dan Schuman

So with your other supplements that you talked about just before the sleep one, all of those ingredients may or may not be packaged as supplements individually. Like that, I'm just indulge my ignorance on this. You may you've you probably said this, but I'm just kind of spelling it backwards. But they're not optimized the way igniton is optimizing. And so you're putting all those ingredients together, and then this is the, I don't want to say patented formulation or delivery mechanism, but the unique one that you have that makes that's the game changer. Is that for our audience? That's the correct way to look at it.

Ashley Grace

That is. We don't say exactly

Aging, Recovery & “It Doesn’t Have to Be”

Ashley Grace

what the percentages of each one of the ingredients are in our product. We keep that proprietary, but that's not necessarily the secret sauce. The secret sauce is the igniton energy being embedded into those hydrogen molecules of each one of those ingredients. What I will say is it actually the research shows that by doing this, it actually reduces the required effective dose by 80 to 90% of each one of those ingredients. So is it more bioavailable? Is it an amplified impact, or is it some combination of those two? We don't know, you know, transparently, we don't know exactly why it's working. But from a just mathematical standpoint, it has to be either amplifying those the effects of those ingredients, making them more bioavailable to your body, or some combination of both of those two. Because the outcomes that we're measuring, that's what we do know, those outcomes are statistically greater than the same mixture that doesn't have the quantum energy embedded into it.

Sandi Magder

This is it's I'm fascinated. I'm trying to even wrap my head around it. It's really just so it's like it's just supercharged.

Ashley Grace

It really is. I mean, I I always say, you know, kind of a very simplistic way to think about it is we're doing for the human body what Google and NVIDIA are doing for computing. Most people don't really understand how that works, but they accept the fact that those it makes things work faster and better. And that's really what we're doing. We we understand how it's how it's working in terms of the outcome of what's happening, but we don't ress necessarily know what's leading to that outcome.

Sandi Magder

Yeah, and I think I appreciate you have some really good analogies. So I think you've broken all of this down in a very interesting way. So I'm just trying to sort of put together the pieces in terms of what I experience my body. So I'm turning in age this year, which I will not say out loud, and I have severe age dysmorphia, and so I'm like, I can't, again, wrap my brain around it. We're not gonna talk about it.

Ashley Grace

But 29, right?

Sandi Magder

Exactly. And so, I mean, I've noticed obviously there's a big difference between when I was 19 or 29, and I would have a night out or I would go and do things, and the next day I would feel wonderful. Now I have to plan at least a day off after I'm in my concert era, so that's the thing that I do. But I know that I have to plan, like I'm not gonna record a podcast the day after I go to a concert. I'm probably gonna have a three-day buffer. So is some of what you're explaining with the diminishment of NAD plus and the other things that are going on the body, is that why I'm feeling that way and why I need all of this extra recharging of my battery?

Ashley Grace

That's what's happening. Exactly. And it's a lot of times we we're conditioned to just accept this and say, you know, this is just a normal part of aging. And it is, but it doesn't have to be.

Sandi Magder

Well, I think that's probably the perfect place to pause this conversation. Because if you're sitting there thinking, okay, though what can we actually do about aging? Energy, inflammation, recovery, and all these changes happening in the body, don't worry. We go much deeper next week in part two. In the next episode, Ashley gets into the practical side of all of this supplements, biomarkers, testing, sleep, inflammation, cognition, and even some really fascinating conversations around consciousness, energy, and the future of health optimization. And honestly, this conversation somehow gets even more interesting from here. If you enjoyed this episode, we'd really appreciate it if you follow the podcast, leave us a rating of review, and share this episode with someone who loves diving into health, longevity, and the bigger questions around how our bodies actually work. And as always, remember, we're not doctors, and nothing in this podcast is medical advice. We're just a couple of curious humans trying to better understand health alongside all of you. So thanks for listening to the Health Times, and we'll see you next time for part two of our conversation with Ashley Grace.