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Why Curiosity Is Key to Personal Health Empowerment - Rachell Reid
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Summary
In this engaging conversation, Rachell Reid shares her transformative journey from a 17-year career in the pharmaceutical industry to becoming a holistic health coach. She discusses the importance of understanding gut health, the challenges of blending Western and holistic medicine, and the personal and professional hurdles she faces as a business owner. Rachell emphasizes the need for authenticity in business and the continuous pursuit of knowledge, while also providing valuable book recommendations for personal growth and empowerment.
Where to reach Rachell Reid:
Instagram or Facebook - @PursueEmpowerment
an-empoweredlife.com.
Books Mentioned
Good Energy - Casey Means
The 4 Agreements
Welcome back to the Grind Design. We are here with Rochelle Reed today, talking about what we're always talking about, building a business, what it takes, what our journey is, what the struggles are. And um I'm gonna let Rochelle introduce herself and kind of give her buyout because she has a really interesting story. So Rochelle, take it away.
SPEAKER_00Thank you. I'm so excited to be here today. So I am a Utah native. I have four sons, been married to my hubby for almost 27 years now, and I did not think that I would be doing what I'm doing today. So very young in my life, I started in the pharmaceutical industry, and I was a pharmacy tech for 17 years and I was very Western medicine. But I got to a point in my life where I was quite sick and doctors couldn't help me, and I wanted to figure out what was going on. I wanted to know how to fix it, and ultimately, you know, the labs all looked good, but they couldn't figure out what was going on, and so I started looking into the holistic world and that through multiple different things as it does throughout life that lead us to our path and who we become, um, I realized that I wanted to be more uh in the natural world and find ways to help the body to heal and to support the body more naturally. And so I got into functional health coaching. And so now that's what I do is I help people figure out imbalances, priorities in the body. So rather than look at diagnosis or symptom management, we really want to get at that root cause, those root needs in the body and help people to find solutions that truly work and help people to feel their best each and every day.
SPEAKER_02And it's super funny because she has become the woman in our world where we're like, I'll text her and be like, hey, I have a cold. What do you think about that? Yeah, it's super fun that you had a game night here last night. Yeah, we probably your your phone must just all the time with random questions. Um so tell me a little bit, because that is such an extreme shift, right? When you shift from Western medicine, the doctor's always right and they know best, into this idea of like, I'm just gonna get curious and I'm gonna explore it and research all the things and I'm gonna try things and figure out where the the lever is. How did that conversation A happen in your household? Was your husband like, what are you doing? Totally.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so you know, it was interesting because my it kind of started out actually with my son who had fairly chronic ear infections, and I just had a friend approach me and say, Hey, you know, there's other solutions than the antibiotics. And I was still very on that Western medicine mindset, and I was like, you know what, we're good. We're like, I don't know what you're talking about. And then I on a Sunday night, Instacare is closed, and I have a three-year-old who's screaming in pain because he has an ear infection, and there's not much you can do as a mom. And I feel like when you're in that situation, you become desperate and a little more open to things that maybe aren't your first line of defense. And so I called this friend up and said, Hey, you know, um, if you really have something that can help, I'm open to trying it now. Uh, you know, and so because you know, as a parent or even as someone that you love, like you hate seeing them in pain, right? You want to be able to help any way you can. And so that was kind of the first thing that opened my eyes because I was super skeptical. I which is kind of funny because I had some experiences as a very young child with natural healing in our family, but all of my training, up you know, for the past like 20 years in between that was Western medicine, and that's what we'd known, and that's what I'd been trained in. And so things shift and you kind of forget sometimes some of those experiences you have earlier in life, maybe. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. As so as you have made this change, right? Like, how does what does that discussion look like as you're talking to people? Because I the reality is I think most people I think in a perfect world, people would blend, right? They'd go, I'm gonna use these tools and those tools, right? But I do think there's definitely like most people are sitting in one camp or the other on an extreme level. I know you're sitting in the middle where you're like, hey, if we marry these two things together, there's a lot of things that we can do without these drugs, and when there's you know, there's there's power in all of the things. Um how have you managed that? Kind the skeptics. How do you manage the skeptics, Rochelle?
SPEAKER_00You know, sometimes there's people that you just can't convince and you have to be okay with that, I feel like. Um, but they're oftentimes, unfortunately, it's when people get into that hard situation where where they're like I was as that mom, right? Okay, here I am, and what I have isn't working, and I can't get the answers that I need. So I'm going to be open to trying something different. Um, and sometimes, you know, I just have to say, it's okay. Maybe you're not ready. Um, and because we've been taught differently for so long, you actually asked about my husband, and I didn't I didn't answer that, but it took him a little while to come around, you know, because it's not what we're used to. It's away from the status quo, and sometimes it seems a little crazy in all honesty. Like there was a couple times when I was first getting into it and I was like, okay, somebody says this will work, but really will that work? Like, that's a bark from a tree. How is that gonna help me? You know, I mean, silly things like that, right? But the cool thing is, is when you think about it, like these things have been around for thousands of years, and we've kind of forgotten the benefits that the earth provides for us. And so sometimes it's just that little education piece, like, hey, you know, maybe it won't work, but what if it did?
SPEAKER_01So this started with almost out of um you know, a necessity of okay, you've got your son with a chronic ear infection and instacare is closed, right? But I'm really curious of your like what was your journey from that moment to where you're at now in terms of well, obviously you got on board, but now you're coaching people. Like help us fill in the gaps there, because that's fascinating.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, how did you become not just a follower of the how did you shift from being the woman who went to the medicine woman to becoming the actual medicine woman, right? Like you're like the little tribe medicine woman.
SPEAKER_00How did that happen? It was it was a gradual thing for us. Um, when I first kind of learned about it for my son, that was pretty much all we did for a little while was take care of ear infections at home, right? And then I learned, you know, about okay, immunity. My family's always getting sick, so let's work on some of some things for the immune system. And we slowly kind of built that in our family um until my own health challenges, then you know, that became another step for us as I was dealing with my health challenges. And then honestly, in the past few years, um, when I decided this is this is what I'm supposed to be doing, I just felt it was very inspired. Um, I believe in a higher power that God told me that this is what I'm supposed to do. Maybe that sounds crazy to some people, but I just very I felt very called to do it. It was actually just after COVID, and I think that kind of opened my eyes a little bit more. Like I had a couple family members who couldn't get into the doctor during that time because how shut things how much things were shut down, you know, because their health concern wasn't as big of a priority to the situation that was in place, right? And so that really kind of got me thinking, like, what if what if this happened again? I would need to know how to take care of my family. I want to educate others on how they can take care of some of those things at home. That I mean, if my son breaks his arm, I'm not gonna be putting on natural solutions, right? We're gonna go to the doctor, we're gonna do those kinds of things. But if there's something that I can take care of at home first that is a non-toxic solution that's natural, that's gonna help support their body in healing, that's always where I want to turn. And I felt like I needed to be able to teach other families the same things.
SPEAKER_01What I heard there, and correct me if I'm wrong, but like you're not you're not against the Western medicine, i.e., you got a broken arm. Okay, you got to go get that addressed. It's definitely everything in between the chronic stuff, is maybe that's where I'm leaning towards that right?
SPEAKER_00Yes, a lot of the chronic things, you know, and one of the things that I kind of got a picture of in the pharmacy is like if our if our medications worked, we wouldn't have to continue taking them, right? We don't want to just manage symptoms, we want to help support the body at those root needs. And so if someone's got a chronic condition that they're just managing those symptoms, maybe there is another option that they can look at that is going to help the body. Um and I'm not, you know, saying we can heal everybody. That's definitely not what I'm saying. But if we can support some of those root needs in the body, oftentimes some of those symptoms will disappear or some of those things will change because we're giving the body what it needs.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so I know if I'm listening to this, I'm like, okay, I want to know like what are like maybe two of the more common chronic conditions that you see or address. And um, like how do you address it? What is how do you go to minimize those symptoms or give the body what it needs?
SPEAKER_00That's there's a lot of things. It's hard to say like two things. Um a big one, I guess, I deal with is gut health for a lot of people. Um, and some people don't even realize that they've had those digestive or maybe not digestive issues, but those gut health issues because there's a lot of things that stem from that. So we can actually see an improvement in mental health concerns if we work with gut health. We can see an improvement in pain and inflammation for people if we work with gut health, because a lot of our inflammatory response comes from our gut. About 95% of our serotonin production comes from our gut. We can see a change in um uh immunity. So about 70% of our immune system comes from our gut. And so just those three key things right there, if we work with gut health, we can change solutions for other for people. Um we've seen a lot of autoimmune come into play the last few years. Like we just see an increase in that. If you focus on gut health, we actually see a lot of autoimmune symptoms decrease.
SPEAKER_02So there's a lot This actually reminds me of our conversation ages ago about like, have you noticed if you work out consistently, you don't ever seem to get sick? We were talking about weightlifting, right? Yeah, and we were like, we have this theory. And uh Rochelle's stance has just kind of been I I mean, I remember I called her one day from the office, I'm like, I am having the worst heartburn. What should I do? And she's like, You have this little packet in your office of X, and I was like, Oh yeah, she's all put some drops in some water and drink it. Sure enough, it fixed it. I was like, right? She just she's like shifted to this very herbal, right? And yeah, it's not gonna fix, right? Like if you have cancer, still go see a doctor, but also eat more blueberries and do more of these things that support your body, right?
SPEAKER_01Well, and you brought up the gut, I wasn't going there, but as you mentioned that, Rochelle, like that is I have heard so many people I know and then stories from people I know about they have gut issues. And now when you start thinking about immune or anything else, it's like, okay, maybe there is a connection. That's fascinating.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's it's an interesting, uh interesting arena because it is some of those things are becoming so common, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and just because it's common doesn't mean it's normal. And I think there's a lot of confusion in that area too. Like, oh, this is this is common, everybody deals with that. Yeah, but is it normal? Like, is this really normal how our body should be functioning?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, should we ex it's common, but should we accept it?
SPEAKER_00Exactly.
SPEAKER_02Yep. Yeah, and she's so she really has become that girl that like I watch all of the women in this circle and we're all like Rochelle, hey Rochelle.
SPEAKER_01Oh, you guys are on a group chat.
SPEAKER_02Like, what are you doing? Hey, I have this, what's going on? And it's just it's fascinating. And and you're right, Rochelle. Like, before modern medicine, there were all sorts of things being used that were natural paths. Day to day, do you have a space that people come see you? Are you going to people? I mean, I know you come to me because I'm lucky, but in general day-to-day life, like how do you how do you find people? How do they find you? How are you connecting? Where do you meet them? All those things.
SPEAKER_00So I meet people all over the place. I do a lot of networking. Um, I try to listen, you know, somebody will ultimately talk about different challenges they have. And um so I, you know, try to let them know, like, hey, there are other options if you're open to exploring it. I'd love to help you with that. One of the things that I do offer is biofeedback testing, and so that can be done a couple of different ways where we can actually see the imbalances and the priorities that the body needs, and then that allows them to have a better idea of what's going on. Um, so think of it like a snapshot, like a blood test, but it measures different markers in the body that allows us to figure out where we need to support. So we're not looking necessarily at like diagnosis or or even sometimes symptoms, which we do take that into consideration, but that allows us to just see, hey, where is your body saying that it needs this support instead?
SPEAKER_01Is that like a in is that a simple blood test? Is that what that is?
SPEAKER_00So it's actually not done through a blood test. Um it's similar, like similar results to some of what we'll get from a blood test because it's a snapshot in time. But this um we have one that's done through galvanic skin response, so it's actually a hand um on a cradle. So think about like uh lie detector test, like the technology that that uses. So similar to that, or what a smartwatch uses, right? And then we actually have a new one that I'm I'm training in right now that uses blood flow from the face to analyze the different markers in the body. So it's kind of crazy the technology that has come out that can really give you uh information inside to what's going on.
SPEAKER_01That's a good analogy or good comparison of like you know what we have on our wrist that tells us, you know, our heart rate as a basic or an EKG.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you know, I mean or what your sleep looks like, or yeah, yeah. She's she's basically it's uh the thing that it reminds me of at Rochelle all the time, because it's off what you said is like we're not just treating a symptom, which is very Western medicine, right? It's part of the challenge of Western medicine is you go, oh, this is a symptom. We take a drug for that symptom, but nobody pays attention to what caused the symptom, right? And what it reminds me of is if you go to a massage therapist or you know, physical therapist, they're like, Well, just because you hurt here doesn't mean the injury is there, it's actually over here, right? And that and it's that same idea where she's she's going, okay, where is the system not right that's then feeding out into these other places?
SPEAKER_01So yeah, I mean so as I'm thinking about this, you started this like COVID time, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it was shortly after uh 2021 is when I really started sharing it with other people.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So you know, you and you talked a lot about networking. So um tell us about the rest of like how are you getting how are you getting your clients, or is it just through networking? Like I know if I'm listening to this, if I'm a business owner, I'm thinking, oh my gosh, you know, what is Yeah, where do you find people?
SPEAKER_02She's she's in every entrepreneur mom's spot right there. I just saw that. Oh yeah. Sorry, someone's knocking on the door. We'll we'll edit this, but that's super funny because like every parent totally knows that.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah, yeah. All right.
SPEAKER_00Well, you asked that question again.
SPEAKER_01No, that's good. So the question was okay, I know you you're doing a lot of networking. How else are you building and um yeah, funding your business in terms of like um acquiring prospects and clients? Because as a business owner, that's I mean, that's the heavy lifting. That is the work.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So I actually had an inspiration at the beginning of this year that I needed to start going and networking with business owners, um, gyms and maybe red light therapy places and things like that that have clients that are already looking for solutions that would be a good referral partner that I can find that we can help each other, you know, instead of that one-on-one networking, because I know that those people there already are are searching for something similar to what I have and can offer. And so that's kind of the avenue that I want to explore this year so that I can find.
SPEAKER_02Do you have a plan for that? Like, have you sat down and been like, okay, I'm gonna search out all the gyms that fall under this category?
SPEAKER_00I haven't done that yet. So I was at a retreat this past weekend and we were going through some questions, you know, where to reassess where we've been, what's holding us back, those kinds of things. And that was an inspiration that came to me. And then of course, as you do, you come home from those things and real life kicks back in, and I haven't quite had time to sit down and analyze that yet.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I'm just thinking you'll if like you said the gym owners, and that's a great place because I think this is anyone listening to this, Rochelle, they're gonna relate to that.
SPEAKER_02Anyone who's trying to build a a business, and especially someone like you who's like, I actually feel like it was my purpose, it was my calling, right? There are a lot of people out there that that's kind of how they get go down the rabbit hole. But they aren't they aren't wired to be business owners, they don't know how. I think the thing that you're talking about is at the heart of that issue. Then how do you implement it? How do you grow?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean, I'm just thinking outside the box, or not even outside the box, but you go to the gym, you know, people are gonna work out, they're gonna start getting sore. And that could lead to something else that could be right up her, right up Rochelle's alley in terms of the holistic stuff. I'm thinking chiropractors.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I mean, you get old enough.
SPEAKER_02Chiropractors, massage therapists. Yes, right? Yeah. Yeah. I I have somebody I'll introduce you to. I'm thinking of everything that's wrong. I'm thinking of everything that's wrong with my body. My knees. My back. I don't think she can fix your knees. When you run that many marathons, there's just she can't fix that. But I I think that is, I think a lot of business owners and new newer business owners, that probably is the heart of the problem is how do you how do you find your clients?
SPEAKER_00It is, yeah. And I think it, you know, you learn that as you go too, because every industry is going to be different too, right? And what works for someone else in my industry may not work for me. I feel like that's one of the things I've had to figure out is how to authentically make it me, you know, because I've tried this worked really great for them, but when I go to do it, it just doesn't feel good for me. And I feel like when you're building a business that has to be a key thing, is it has to be authentic to you because those things that I hate doing, guess what? I'm not gonna do them, right? Right, yeah, right.
SPEAKER_02Well, and I like I I say that all the time. If you're doing, if you're going about it in a way that is not something that lights you up, the reality is you won't be this happy, bubbly person that somebody wants to meet either, right? Like where our head is matters when you're building business. Totally, because it shifts your energy and other people feel that, right? Absolutely, absolutely. And when you love what you do, you attract people for sure. So um what so first first thing this year is going to be defining some of that. Is that the next step? Is that the next thing that we're trying to do? Yeah, for me, that feels like the next place that I need to go for sure. What has been your hardest lesson learned or struggle that you maybe you haven't even solved it yet? Maybe we're just gonna solve the whole world problems right here. Who knows? But um, like where what's been your biggest hurdle and what like what's your hard lesson that you've learned?
SPEAKER_00So a couple things. One of them I think it's kind of just getting out of my own head, um, you know, like doubt. Uh that mindset shift has been big for me. Um I when I first started out, I wanted to convince everyone, and that was something that I had to learn. Like, hey, you know, some of those people aren't ready. Um, it's funny because I have a lot of family that is uh could really use what I have to offer, but they're not open to it. And I it's kind of hard for me sometimes to see like them suffer and struggle and be like, hey, you know, I have I have a solution, I have something that could totally help you, but they they aren't quite there. So I think that's part of it too. You know, sometimes we want that support from our close family and friends or things like that. And I think we have to realize that sometimes they're the ones that aren't gonna support you. I love it when people have family that are super supportive. I'm not one of those people. And so for me, it was like I just had to kind of let that go and put that aside and be like, it's okay. I know what I, you know, am I called to do and I'm gonna do it, and I'll find different avenues and opportunities that are there.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think what you said prior about just being your authentic self, that that is the pillar when you've got you know the um example that you just shared, being your authentic self is your that that's gonna be what protects and what. What allows you to to move forward.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's and and here's the thing. If anything, your story is the is that piece, right? You had to be in the right spot to be open to the idea, right? You had to be desperate enough. I did. Right? And maybe some of the people around you just aren't desperate enough yet.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah. I'm super stubborn. And I guess things just don't sink in until it's like ride or die, right? For sure.
SPEAKER_01But but as Mandy said too, because you know, because you're being your true authentic self, you will you will gravitate or people will gravitate to you that are meant to be drawn towards you. And though those will be your people. Yeah. Right? Yeah. In business. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And I think that was something I had to learn too, right? You just had to understand not everyone is your people. And that's okay.
SPEAKER_02So that's the thing, right? Is like being a business owner requires a bit of faith. You have to have some faith. Yeah. That it's all gonna be okay, it's all gonna work out. Yeah, and I think they're meant to land in your circle will land there.
SPEAKER_00Right. And sometimes like trying to acquire those clients that aren't your people, those are struggles to work with. I mean, like, you know, when you're first starting out business too, I feel like I'll work with anybody, right? Like I just want to get this going. I'm open to doing helping anyone. And then you're like, yeah, that was not a pleasant experience. I don't think I want to help that person or help that type of people anymore. You know, you kind of set those boundaries. I guess that was a big learning lesson for me too, is like figuring out those boundaries and be like, yeah, I'm gonna stay in this area because that was draining and terrible for me, you know? Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01That that is such, I'm so glad you brought that up because as a business owner, we all think we're gonna go out and we'll work with anybody, but until you identify what you're and who your avatar is, yeah, right, you're you're gonna continue having significant pain points until you are working with the people that are the people you want to work with.
SPEAKER_02Seriously, that's gold, Rochelle. Yeah, right there, because yes, everybody who's starting out, you feel there's a desperation, right? And so you will take in everything and until you realize that when you actually are working with the wrong people, it will just deplete you and it uses up your time that you could be working with somebody who is a is your right person. Yeah, right. Absolutely. That's a huge lesson to learn for sure. I always joke all the time, and I mean it depends on which arena you find me in. I'm for the purpose of this, I'm just gonna say you're not a taco. You can't make everybody happy, right? Not everybody is gonna love and adore you, and that's okay. Yep, that's okay. Right. Um so as you go forward this year. Next next thing to overcome is it to is it to figure out where the businesses are, where to I definitely think that is my next step.
SPEAKER_00Um, you know, I'm constantly trying to learn new things too, though, like acquire more knowledge. And so that's a big part of what I do all the time. Um, because there's always more to learn, I feel like. Um, I actually want to try and find someone that I can train to do what I do, you know. Um, I think that's a valuable piece of that because there are people that I don't want to work with or can't work with. Um I still feel like this needs to get to them too, but maybe someone else is their person. Um but I also just love being able to empower people, whether it's empowering them, you know, with their own business or with their own families or with their own help. Um, that really is something that I just very passionate about. I want to I want to see them find that empowerment for themselves.
SPEAKER_02Love that. That's scaling, that's gonna be an interesting journey. Get ready. Yeah, yeah. That's all that's always a fun lesson to to get into. Okay, I'm always in more lessons. Yeah, you said something that's important that I actually think all business owners should always stay in that mindset. You said, well, there's just always more to learn, right? I think no matter what your business, you should always be working on perfecting your craft, right? Learning what's changed. It's how you don't get left behind as as things. Yeah. Be a student, be curious. As Ted Lasso would say. Just be curious.
SPEAKER_01I love that scene. The dart.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, totally. The dart scene in Ted Lasso. Do you know Ted Lasso, Rochelle? I don't know that. Oh my gosh. We're gonna have to have a watch party at my house. Come on over. Okay, that sounds fun. I'm gonna have to start talking about too. Um okay. Is there anything and and actually I'm gonna and I am gonna preface this. It this could be a podcast, but we are big believers that most of us who are entrepreneurs are readers on some level. We're constantly looking for information, right? We're constantly growing and adapting. Is there anywhere, any book, resource, podcast that you have listened to that was a game changer for you that helped you pivot or helped you solve a major problem?
SPEAKER_00Well, there's a lot. I wish I had more time to read than I do, but there have been a number of ones that have really stood out to me. Um, there's a book I recently read called Good Energy by Dr. Casey Means. Have you heard of that book? Have not. Okay.
SPEAKER_02We will be adding it to our reading list.
SPEAKER_00So that is for anyone who no longer wants to be a bystander with their health and they want to take and empower themselves and really, you know, start looking at at where they're at in their bodies and in their health. Um, it's really incredible. She talks about how our mitochondria is a big factor in our energy or in our health, because if our cells aren't making the energy they need, they can't heal, they can't function, they can't do the things they're supposed to do, and we start to see some shutdown in the body. So that one was a really good and interesting read that I'd recommend to anyone.
SPEAKER_02And I like that that for anyone who would like to take control. So this is interesting. My husband, I ended up in this conversation because my husband is very Western medicine for sure. And you'll get this because as a female, that system isn't always in our favor, right? No, there's a lot of there, there, you're a 50-year-old woman. That's just normal, right? There's a lot of that response for women in the medical world. But my husband is like, they like he'll rant about like everybody should be advocates for their health. And he and I got in discussion about that because he was like, No, you should do this and this. And I was like, okay, but I've been doing that for 50 years. If I'm truly going to be an advocate for my own well-being and health, shouldn't I just be curious and try all sorts of things? Right? Shouldn't we just be open? And I and I think, like to your point, right? This idea, like, get curious. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Well, just as that's a little side note, kind of a fun, not so fun fact. Um, most of the the studies that have been done in the medical community on medications or different things like that, they're always done on men because they don't want to do them on women because the hormones play too much of a it affects their outcomes too much.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, we're too complicated, right?
SPEAKER_00Isn't that crazy though? Like we, you know, we are supposed to fit into this box, but we're not going to do any uh research for the yeah.
SPEAKER_02Exactly. So yeah, I've become a big, big uh advocate of like maybe we should maybe we should look outside the box if if I were truly going to advocate for ourselves. Um okay, so good energy.
SPEAKER_00Good energy is a good one. Another one um that I recently read for the first time, which I was surprised that I hadn't ever read it before was the four agreements. I'm sure you've heard of that one. That was that was a good one for me. Um and kind of like I was saying before, you know, like when I was trying to deal with family things and trying to get them to understand what I'm doing. And I'm like, no, like I can't, you know, and let them. That one's another one by Mel Robbins. Um I'm like all these books right now, like, you know, that one's been a good one for me because I and maybe I don't know, especially as a mom and maybe as a woman and just me personally, you know, I'm like, I just want to control everything and fix everything, you know, yeah, fix it all.
SPEAKER_02And I've had to realize, like, hey, it's I actually have my 21-year-old reading that right now. Yeah. I find myself a lot of times being like, who cares what everybody thinks, right? So yeah, okay. Those are some good options.
SPEAKER_00And if people are trying to find you, so I I am on both Instagram and Facebook. Um, my handle is Pursue Empowerment. And so that's probably the easiest. That's the best place to find you. So they can text me as well. Don't don't put your number on. Okay, I'm like, I don't know that I want to share that though, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no. DM Rochelle. She probably will give you her number at that point, but let's not turn you into like the telemarketer's dream. Yeah, say say that handle again. It's uh pursue empowerment.
SPEAKER_01Drop her a DM there.
SPEAKER_02Only I will make sure that that is in the show notes, Rochelle. Okay.
SPEAKER_00I do have a website as well. I can give you that if you'd like. Tell us. Okay. Um it's uh an empowered life.com. Awesome. I love it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I love that. Okay, we will make sure that all the places that you can connect with Rochelle are in the show notes so that you can find her. Um she really is just lovely and great about not coming from a place of judgment which I think is I think that like I said, I think those are polar opposites of belief systems. And it's really sometimes people become really like they push an agenda. Rochelle does not. So if you're just curious, she's a great person to reach out to.
SPEAKER_00I love being a resource for sure.