How to Avoid Burnout and Keep Your Energy High

 summary

Join Mike and Mandi as they reflect on the importance of goal setting, maintaining energy, and scheduling fun to prevent burnout. They share personal stories, practical tips, and insights on how to stay aligned with your goals while enjoying life.


 keywords

goal setting, burnout prevention, work-life balance, scheduling fun, personal development, productivity tips, energy management, self-care, business growth, podcast reflection


 key  topics

Goal setting and progress check-in
Energy management and burnout signs
Scheduling fun and rest for sustainability


 sound bites

"Start with your time off first"
"Your body is a dashboard"
"Honor your time and set boundaries"


Chapters

00:00 Reflections on Goals and Resolutions
02:17 The Importance of Energy and Consistency
05:30 Finding Joy in Work and Life
08:17 Scheduling Time for Fun
11:40 Setting Boundaries with Clients
14:32 The Reality of Burnout
17:28 Creating a Supportive Environment
20:22 The Power of Saying No
23:28 Maintaining Balance in Business and Life
26:19 Final Thoughts on Fun and Recharge

Transcript

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Welcome back to the grind design, um, where we do shenanigans. Um, at least today we will. I'm with my co-host uh Mandy Henry I. Um today we're gonna do something a little different. We've done, I don't know, a couple of these where like it's like, man, we've gotten feedback. People are like, well, hey, what's on your mind? Yeah. Yeah. So that's been the interesting thing, right? Like we thought we had nothing interesting to say. So we keep having, you know, guests and we love that. It's it's been a right way. I've learned so much from the people we've had. But a lot of the feedback is a lot of people are like, well, we want to hear your stories. We want to hear what's going on with you guys. Yeah. So we decided we'd start periodically recording. And you know, you never can tell on the day what will happen because often if Michael and I are left to our own devices, we're up to shenanigans. Yeah, well, we just were before we hit record here. Um so you know, here's here's something. Um, you know, and like we're we're at the end of the first month of the year. Yeah. And doesn't it feel like it flew by? Oh, it does. Well, and that's what I was thinking um both yesterday and today, as I'm getting ready to go away for a few days. I'm like, okay, I am, you know, literally one-twelfth of the way through the year. And what I immediately went to was, okay, how am I doing to what my plan says I should be doing? And then it got me thinking, you know, of the people I know and the businesses I know. And like the same question came up is okay, so where are we at with our goals? Yeah. I mean, let me rewind the tape just a little bit. So people have this word that gets thrown around at the end of the calendar year called resolutions. And I do this unscientific test every year, and that relates to the gym because most people I know have a goal around their health or their diet or their you know overall um how they look and feel. And so it goes without, I mean, it never never disappoints that you go to the gym on January 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5, it's packed, right? And again, this year I did the same thing, same test. I'm like, okay, I need to adjust my time at the gym in terms of when I go because I need to beat the the crowd. Totally. But I also know that by about the 20th or 21st, depends on if it's a leap year or not. Yeah. Um, that by that point in time it's back to normal. Yeah. Isn't it so funny? Because you go and you're like, oh my gosh, why are there so many people? And then you just have to tell yourself this two shall pass because it really will. And it and it it has not, for as long as I've been measuring it or at least being aware of it, it's been years, it's the same rhythm. And I I don't, I can't think for uh a moment that anybody who set out that goal and started going and then just didn't go, um, did so because they're like, well, I just want to abandon my goals and um I want to continue to be the less version of my best self. Right. They didn't make a conscious choice to to fail. Yeah, I think there's there's dominoes that get lined up, but it got me thinking as we were talking about today, about okay, we are a month through the year, and yes, it has flown by. So fast. Where are we at to our goals? Yeah. So it's interesting because I also um have been super aware this month about the energy that we bring into the things that we're doing and how that comes back to us, right? Almost like, you know, dropping something in water in those concentric rings. Yeah. Like literally the like what you're putting out and how it flows back. It's been crazy. I always forget how um, I mean, you like a little bit of energy this way just bubbles, right? So it's been an interesting month because we have just been like flying and looking around going, where did all of this business come from? But it was a good reminder, all this business came because we were doing the things that we said we would do, that we know we need to do. And then just like a gym, you get a little ways in and you kind of fall off or you become less consistent about. Right. And this month has been a really interesting testament to that. And part of part of you know, some of what's going on in my world where I'm like, I want to create like, you know, these events around doing activities that we're supposed to do because I believe that energy comes back. Well, yeah. You did, I mean, you and I had we had a conversation last week. We were supposed to record, we were scheduled to, and you had something that came up that filled that bucket. Yeah. And we're like the conversation was super quick because it was like, hey, I I want to do this. What do you think? And I was like, yeah, go do it. Yeah. Yeah. It was, which I mean, it was funny, it was tubing, right? But I had my team in town from all over the country because we are spread out as a team. We have very specifically picked humans that do business the same way we do, that show up the same way we do, that we love and appreciate. So we do our holiday gathering at the beginning of the year so that there's not the travel pressure during the holidays. Um, but we had everybody in, and they one in particular had brought his kids with, and they had never seen snow. And so everybody wanted to go tubing, which if you're in Utah this year, the weirdest snow year I've ever seen. It's like mudsliding. Yeah. And so, which is hard because like normally you just go to the park, it'd be no big deal. But we actually had to, in order to make that uh agenda item happen, we had to go to Woodward, where they're making snow, right? But I didn't want to miss out on that joy, yeah. Right, which is one of my big things this year is I I remember that when I am having fun, when I'm living in joy, everything else takes care of itself. Right? The business takes care of itself, my children thrive, my marriage thrives, all of it thrives, right? When I come from a place of like, what are we doing to have fun? Yeah, yeah. Right. And so I was in that moment where everybody's like, well, we should go tubing. And I was like, oh, that's a joy item. I kind of want to do that. Yeah. And you did it. Yeah. Yeah. I think the other thing, you know, so we're we're at the end of the month, and what I find myself in is I've gone so hard for 30 days. And like I'm leaving town for two nights. Yeah. But I'm also thinking, okay, so how do I have a break? And I don't interpret break as letting the foot off the gas, but like that, that fun or that play, right? How do I do that a little bit more often? Because, you know, for me personally, going 30 straight days, which I have, yeah, it's taxing. And I can find myself over the last two and a half days sort of, you know, not having the energy I need to do it. And it couldn't, this couldn't come fast enough. So it's like, okay, how do I insert scheduled breaks? Things that light us up and remind us why we're working so hard. I may not know. Well, yes, and I may not know what I'm going to do, but let's say in two weeks, I'm like, okay, I'm not gonna work and we're gonna go do something. Did you see my big annual calendar? I did. That's very large. It is I mean, if you're watching this on YouTube, it it literally almost fills the entire back. The whole year. But do you know it's to your point, it's the reason that that exists, the reason I brought those into the office is I am really good at just hunkering down and working, right? And forgetting to schedule the play, forgetting to create those moments. And in doing so, I then get burned out, and then I'm not my best version of myself as a leader, as a, you know, a service member. Like that's where I'm at right now. Yeah. Right now in this moment. Yeah. So if you look at my calendar, you will notice there's a sticky note that's orange once a month that says Joy Day. Okay. Where I literally have mapped that I'm gonna be out of the office and my phone will be off. Yeah. Doing something, I don't know what. Yeah. I'm gonna do something. Yeah. Right. For the first time ever, I literally scheduled like this is where we're taking vacations. So I have something to look forward to. Yeah. Yeah. And I, you know, I've so kudos for you in doing that. And I've been told this before. In fact, you know, Gary Keller, who is and runs Keller Williams Real Estate, like one of the things he coaches us on is start with your time off first. And I don't do a good job of that. But articulating it the way I am now and knowing how I feel, right? Especially limping in the last, you know, since Wednesday. So now we're two days into this. Yeah. I'm like, okay, I did a lot of good stuff in January, first half of December. My pipeline is healthy, and it'll I think it's not going to be as healthy as it needs to be if I don't take care of this myself. Yeah. So I'm gonna I'll get that calendar from you. Yeah, I think that especially, you know, both for both of us industry-wide wise, we spend a lot of time in, you know, answering calls to clients, FaceTime with, you know, the people that we're working for at any given moment. And what people don't realize is there's a ton of dust work behind the scenes that has to happen in conjunction to support that item. And I'm in the same boat. Like I I have not had a day off for 18 days right now. So I was looking at my weekend going, and I just keep trying to say, okay, but where can I find the moment? Right? Because that's not my strength. And so I was looking at my calendar, I was like, I've got some things, I've got some clients I want to accommodate on Saturday. Sometimes that really is the best thing for them. But okay, I'm not gonna take an appointment past 3 p.m. And I'm gonna go out with some girlfriends and my husband. We're gonna, you know. Yeah. And Sunday I'm just gonna turn it all off. And no one will die. Yeah, I think there's a I think there's power in the word no. Mm-hmm. You know, I it we there's a phrase of what we say yes to, we're saying no to, and it's vice versa. Yeah. And so I think just from our conversation, and thank you for the you know uh coaching unintentionally, but great because before I leave today, we're gonna you're gonna send me that calendar link and I'm gonna get that calendar. Joy days. I totally put them on there. Well, and so Mendy, my wife and I, we were talking even this morning. I'm like, when was the last time we took a weekend? Like where we because we love to travel. Yeah, even if it's local, we love to travel. It's been since early October. And for us, that that's not a long time. That's not normal. Yeah, you know us. Yeah. That's not normal. And I'm like, okay, so yeah, this this whole thought over the last couple of days of like, gosh, I'm really limping into the end of the month, but I know I have a long weekend and I know I'll be, I know how it works. I'll be super recharged to get back, but I need to get that on the calendar earlier. I and I suspect this is not just an us issue. You know, if you talk to people who own and run businesses, you wear so many hats. You are all of the pieces, you are all the people, right, associated. It is really hard to remember to save space for the fun. But and and to your point, I think if we learn to say no, I haven't learned this yet. It's one of my agent like things to work on. But think about it. If we learn to say no, our yeses, in fact, uh Justin Puchar talked about this, right? You get a yes, yes out of him, that is a really valuable yes. Yeah, yeah. Because you know that he's saying no to lots of other things. Yeah. Right. And so you get his very best self in that, and you know that those are really valuable. Yeah, shameless pug. Um, if you want to hear more about Justin Puchard, just go look at the episode we did with him because that was fascinating. Yeah, right. Yeah. I actually, you know, I've um it's been funny for me. I don't know about you, because it's really weird to listen to your own podcast. It's weird to hear that hear yourself, right? But I have I do do it, and often when it actually drops versus when we recorded, there's downtime between those things, right? And I don't know about you, but every time I listen to it, I'm like, oh my gosh, that was such a great conversation. And Justin is one of those that was on my radar because of him. Yeah. So I think, you know, as we're talking to our audience, uh, uh, you're right. We're not, I don't think we're alone in this thought of carving out time, having play time. Um, and I would also ask everybody who's listening if, okay, where are you at with your whatever it goal was? Yeah. Right. How's that going at the end of January? Yeah. Dr. Phil, how's it going? How's that working for you? But do you think that the reason that, you know, to your to your example of the gym, is it that it falls off because nobody created the space for it to be okay to have a day off? Right. They everybody jumps in with this, like, I'm gonna do the thing, and there's no grace given when it's like, oh, I had an off day. And so instead of getting back on and just keep carrying on. Yeah. Right. The mindset is, oh, I failed. Yeah. Yeah. That all or none. The all or none. Right. Yeah. I I I think that's a huge part of it. And you know, then I start thinking of, okay, so what type of support did you elicit? Did you um did you take a you know, a roommate or a spouse or and did you get their you know, buy-in? I mean, if you're married and you've got a big goal, whether it be professional or health related, like it, get them on board, get them involved in that because they'll be your best supporter and accountability partner. Yeah. Right? Yeah. But to your point, if you don't have something like that, it's really easy. We tend to give up on ourselves long before we'll give up on anybody else. For sure. I don't know why that is. We all do it though, right? We will not honor the moment on our calendar to accommodate somebody else every single time. But you're right. If you have a buddy that you have to go to, you know, I uh I had one year where my husband's gift to me because I said, I want to weightlift, I want to be strong, I want to be that 90-year-old woman that people are like, oh shit, here she comes, right? I want to be able to put my luggage in the overhead by myself at 90. And um one year for Christmas, he gave me like, I'll be your workout buddy and I'll train with you. Which, if you know my husband, like we're not on the same level. Really, for him, that's not probably very fun. But that was my best, most consistent year because he was my workout buddy. Yeah. I think that's yeah. I so let's go back. I mean, it's we're we're one month into it. And like just as we're you know, spit talking some stuff, like what what are some things that like as we think out loud for ourselves that maybe could benefit others in terms of okay, it's a month down. Yeah, we've got 11 more. Like, how how should I, like, coach me, how should I be looking at you know, February or something, yeah, yeah. What would we if we're going to course correct sitting here at the end of the first month, where would we course correct? Yeah. I mean, I don't know, for me, I'm gonna go put that time, you know, that weekend that I'm not going to work in February. And it'll be whether we go somewhere or not, which I'd prefer if we did, but it's something I know that it's a chance to come up for air. Yeah. I also think I will say this too. I think there's power in having that be something that is visual to your work partners, your home partners, right? There's because then they can support you in that. Yeah. I think sometimes we're not great about being transparent about the big picture in our brain. And I will tell you that does the trick, right? My kid walked in here, saw that calendar, he's like, oh. Yeah. So yeah, I think that's a good one. Um, I just had a thought too, and this this goes back probably 20 years for me, but I used to I I believe in burnout. I do. Like it's a real thing. Yeah. But there was a time in my retail days that I didn't believe in it. I thought that you could just grind every day, all day. And I I thought that if somebody came to me that they were burnt out, like I sort of scoffed at it. Like interesting. Yeah. And you know, because you know, my my whole focus at the time was okay, put head down, work hard, rinse, repeat. Yeah. Right. And did I get burnt out? Yes. But did I was I aware of it? And did I recognize no. No, but nowadays, I mean, probably the last 10 years, it's become apparent. I because burnout isn't, I think burnout is not, at least my definition is not when you um crash and burn. I think that's the final result. I think the burnout is um, you know, okay, how's everything else in your life going? Yeah. Right? How how's your relationships? How's your health? How's you know, how's your uh your energy, so to speak? Yeah. And I think it's a collection of all that. The the end result of you crashing and burning was you know warning signs well ahead of time. Totally. Do you have you ever heard people say, you know, uh, go ahead and ignore your body long enough and it will just shut you down? Right? Like you'll get horribly sick. Yeah. I'm the queen of that. I have totally done that throughout my whole life, where like I just run, run, run, run. And then eventually I get so sick that I can't, right? And it's it's one of the things I've tried to correct in my later years because I realize there's truth to it. Right. If we do if we ignore the dashboard and all those little moments, eventually mentally, emotionally, physically, you will shut down. Yeah, that's such a good um, such a good visual. Like I'm thinking like the the check engine light on my car. Yeah. Right? Like, okay, would we because we know if we don't do that. Yeah. That actually, so I mean, because I might be I like on the my journey these days very much is the like, how do we have fun? Right? How do we re-energize our lives? And um, like I'll I really will try just about anything. Like, I'll jump out of a plane, I'll I'll try anything at least once. Um, so one of my girlfriends took me to a breath work class and I was like, totally woo-woo. But he made that reference and dead on. It was really interesting. But the check engine light? Uh-huh. Where like he's like, your body is a dashboard, yeah, right. And it was the weirdest experience, but I had like this severe pain in a joint that's never been injured. And then we go like look it up, and it was and it aligned so much with what was going on in my life. And I was like, oh, interesting. Our bodies, we are, we are dashboards. Probably when we get sick or we have moments like that, that's like a check engine, like all shit's going sideways. Yeah. And we've ignored the change, the oil, we've ignored the you know, the temperature, the coolant, right? To get to that moment. Go back. Did you have you jumped out of a plane yet? I have. Shut the front. I took uh that so the year that my husband turned 50, we did like the weekend of shenanigans. My husband, his birthday is the fourth of July, so you always get kind of like a nice little window there. Yeah. And we just did random shenanigans. We took a uh planting secular or a bonsai trees class. We jumped out of a plane. We went up and did uh the winter park, like we just played. It was just random, like because we're at the you know, we don't need a bunch of gifts, so we just do stuff, we do activities. So one of those activities was jumping out of a plane. Jump out of a plane. Love that. Yeah. I would do it again. I would do that again. Yeah. I I want to. I I believe I will. My daughter's done it. Let's go. Yeah. Bindy will not do it. She won't? No, no, no, no, no. She'll listen to this and she'll know we were doing it. She will 100% agree. She's not doing she's not jumping out of a plane. Uh I didn't tell Nate where we were doing it. I just drove him to the airport. Okay. Well, I'll make sure my wife does not listen to this episode until after we do it. She still might not do it. I mean, he I'm not sure you can peer pressure somebody into that moment, but that's a good adventure. That should be done. So, like, I mean, we're we're having fun time just in our conversation today because and our I guess the talking point is like, how do we how do we um include scheduled um fun time? How do we not be burnt out? Yeah. Because when we are not burnt out, when we are our best selves, our clients feel it, our you know, employees feel it, like everybody around it, right? Yeah. So I think it's a really important item. I think it's absolutely something everybody fights and struggles with. Yeah, I think that yes. And in our lines of work, I think and believe that one of the bigger things, most important things we can do is establish those guardrails. And how do we communicate those with the people that we're in business with, i.e. clients and or our team. Yeah. Right? I mean, uh some people may say, hey, I don't work Sundays. You know what? I I can absolutely get that and I honor that because that is their time, their moment, their space and place to refresh and just not be plugged in. Yeah. Right. But whatever it I mean, whatever it is, like have those guardrails. So okay, to to that item, let me ask you this question because I I actually was in this this week with one of my employees who she's adorable and she goes above and beyond. For our clients, like you wouldn't believe, right? And she I'm talking to her and she tells me that she answered the phone to a client at like 8 30 at night. And I was like, Yeah, but that's an East Coast client. It was 10 30 his time. And she's like, Yeah. And then it took us like an hour and a half. And it was literally he couldn't figure out how to work the technology. And she was trying to help him, which I love. We should be that. Right. But I was like, but why did you answer the phone? Right? You weren't really in a position to do that. Why did we answer the phone? And if you had not answered the phone, that client wouldn't have thought anything of that. He would have known it was 8:30 your time. Right. So how often do we have a story in our head about a client's expectation or our industry? Right. Because I think that absolutely is a narrative of real estate. Yeah. Is that you just have to be on all the time, every day, all day, right? But in real life, do our clients really expect that? No, they they rise or fall to the level of our own expectations, right? Like, so I don't know, probably three years ago, maybe four years ago, um, I remember having I had established some, you know, maybe five or six years in the business, and I had established some pretty clear guardrails um with my clients. And I said it every time when we were at a buyer consultation or listing consultation that um I usually shut it down around seven o'clock at night because I've got you know younger kids, I'm making dinner, I've got you know activities for them. I said so and most of them were, I mean, almost ever out of fact, I can't think of one that said, no, that that doesn't sound reasonable. They were all good. Right. And I would always give them, hey, if you need something, you'll call, leave a voicemail, or um text it, and I'll triage it if it's something that needs to be addressed, like I will find a way to do it. If it's urgent, we'll figure it out. Yeah. So I've been doing this for, you know, at I established those expectations for I don't know, a handful of years. And I had this client, and I was everything was good until I remember it was a Saturday night, and I picked up the phone because he called, and I broke my own and then he expected it. And then yeah. So then what happened is um so I was listing his house, and we ended up selling his house in in in a average amount of time. So I think that's a good thing. Yeah, like everything was fine. Yeah, everything was fine, but I broke my own rule and that opened the floodgates to where then the text in previous or future nights just started coming in at you know, odd times. Yeah. So I had to re-rewrite the rule and and have another commitment with myself that okay, you know, if it's after seven o'clock on most days, yeah, like I need to shut down. Yeah. I hit that a lot where we're clients because so I tend to say, nobody gets access to my brain before 9 a.m. Right? Like my brain's my brain. Yeah. 9 a.m. And then I go till 7 p.m. And we get we get all the time where clients are like, well, could we just fit it in at 8 30? And I have gotten to the point where I'm like, as much as I'd love to accommodate you, you don't want my brain that much further. We we can only do the thing so many hours in a day at a high level and be our best selves. I love that. I love I love how you just are taking 100% ownership and saying, hey, like my brain's not available till nine. Yeah, because I've made the mistake too. Like I've made the mistake, right? And and it's true, even though nothing's wrong, it once you set that tone, that expectation has to be met, or then something's wrong, right? And you know, how many times did I take a call at 9 30 at night to give a payment to a client and then I got it wrong because my brain had already been plugged in for 12 hours. Yeah, right. Oh, I can't tell you how much like the accuracy of if I'm writing an offer or a counter offer, like I know better now not to be doing that after you know 7:30 or 8 o'clock at night because like I'm fried. Yeah. We it has to be okay to give yourself grace to be human, to need to sleep, to need to eat well, to need downtime where you're not having to do anything, right? Yeah. So the people that are listening, if if you can be um, you know, as brass as Mandy is in saying, hey, you don't want my brain before 9 a.m., right? Or after 7 p.m. Yeah. Um here's a here's a good way to do it too. Just tell them, hey, you've got another commitment. Yeah. And I have yet, that's the language I use. Yeah. I have yet I have yet to have anybody say, well, what is that? Right? That's a really good. So those of us who are bad at saying no feel like we have to justify our no. Yeah. And you're totally right. You don't have to justify it. I never have either. Yeah. Right. Especially if I tell them early on, hey, here's what I've got going on. But even on other times where I've just met the client and they're like, hey, we can meet at, you know, after 6 30 at night or 7 o'clock at night, which I've done. But I also know, like, hey, my body and my mind, you've seen me laid it. It just comes down. Yeah, we're not our best selves by then, which aren't. So just tell them you've got a commitment. And then you give them the times that do work for you. Give them two, give them three choices that work within your space, and they will pick one of those three or two, whatever you give them. Make it a choose your own adventure with them. Do you know that that's actually one of the reasons people probably don't know this about me? Uh a lot of my scheduling happens via an app, right? I use calendly. Um, and the reason I do that is because my calendar app is better at holding a boundary for me than I. Oh my gosh. That's gold right there. Like literally. If it protects me better than I will protect myself. Wow. Right? Yeah. To the point that we we all do it. Like we won't honor ourselves, we'll honor something else, somebody else's request. It's the reason I lean so heavily to that system. Wow. Yeah, I mean, because there's some of us out there that aren't as good of uh at drawing a line and holding that, right? Yeah. Yeah. So but but there's hacks to it, right? Yeah. Find the hack that works for you. And have you ever had somebody come back and said, well, you only had these times available and I can't do it there. So every once in a while, because I do tell my clients it it because there's certain things in my world that are time they're pressing, where I'll tell my client, like, hey, this is a priority that needs to happen in the next two days. If you can't find something on my calendar within those two days, please let me know. Um, it's very rare. Yeah. It is very, very rare. And every once in a while there's a legit reason. And I will go, okay, let's do this to accommodate your schedule, or I can move this time block that I have on there to accommodate you. Right. But it's rare. Yeah. Well, I mean, as we're wrapping up here, because I think, you know, I mean, later, we could have this conversation probably for a lot longer and probably on a more consistent basis of okay, like what's your check-in look like with your goals? Are you spending time for yourself to have fun, recharge? Yeah. Um Yeah, get ready. You're gonna see me in all sorts of places this year. I've got all sorts of shenanigans on the calendar already. But but no, like the like the conversation we're having today. I people that are listening, I I think I'd be shocked if it wasn't affecting more people than just the two people in this room. Yeah, business owning a business is it's big and heavy, right? You your responsibility is to your family, to your to your staff, to all the things is big and heavy. Find ways to have fun. Yeah. Well, that's why I'm taking two things from today. That schedule time to have fun and then getting that big ass calendar that you've got. Yeah. I'm gonna send you one. Although I'm gonna get you the one that says big ass calendar. I couldn't put that in my office because I was afraid a client would come in and be like, but there's one that says big ass calendar. Okay. You know where you know where I live, you can go ahead and do that. Umanigan. Yeah. Anything else? No. No. But I think great, great points to be thinking about right now. Yeah, it goes by fast, I think. Slowing down enough to just capture moments and experiences and use that as recharging. Um some people do it every quarter, some people do it um once a year. Like I that's not enough for me. Yeah. Maybe good, maybe good for some other people, but I'm realizing now that that's not enough. I need to be doing this probably monthly. Yeah, I was gonna say it probably depends a lot on what your work schedule looks like. But for someone in our industry where you working a 12-hour day is not uncommon. Yeah. 14-hour days happen. It's it has to happen more often. So well, we appreciate it. Oh gosh, yes. Yeah, we're just gonna we're just gonna have some fun this weekend. So um thanks for uh thanks for popping in today and letting us just talk about what we what was on our minds. Yeah. And uh if it's if you find it useful, please give it a share, a follow, a like, whatever. We'd love to hear your comments. Um, if there are things that you are struggling with that you want to be brought into the conversation, by all means leave us a comment. We'll certainly either either we'll talk about it or we'll find somebody who knows better than we know to talk about it. Yeah, that's so good. Yeah. All right. Well, until next time, guys, have a great time. See ya.