Showing PRIDE via Dick Pics

Happy Pride! This week, we're diving into all things Pride Month—from our favorite celebrations, unforgettable Pride memories, and what Pride means to us today. Then, we're getting a little messy as we discuss the art of marketing your nudes (because if you're going to send one, it might as well be a good one). We also break down the pros and cons of being gay/queer, from chosen family and community to dating disasters, hookup culture, and everything in between. It's equal parts celebration, chaos, and questionable life advice—the perfect recipe for another episode of Useless Banter.

Grab a drink, put on your shortest shorts, and join us for a very gay conversation.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Yeah. At a five, six, and seven at eight.

SPEAKER_02 0:03

Hi, my name is Louise. My name is Brett. Welcome to Useless Panter.

SPEAKER_01 0:08

A podcast where your two best friends won't. Shut the fuck up. Basically, a podcast where we talk about a bunch of useless shit that doesn't really matter, but it's highly entertaining. Have y'all know how they entertaining?

SPEAKER_02 0:20

So raise your glass and lower your expectations and let's get useless. Okay. Happy Pride Month. Happy MF and Pride Month. I wore my I wore my Pride shirt for this one. It says, um, I'll show you mine if you show me yours. With Pride underneath. Pride. Pride. I'll show you mine if you show me yours. Pride. And honestly, it's pretty spot on.

SPEAKER_01 0:44

Yeah, yeah, because you've been showing yours a lot, huh? Live? Yeah. Pride weekend, honestly, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 0:51

Okay, let's talk about it. Um I think I think the girls are on the edge of their seats waiting to hear what we were up to.

SPEAKER_01 0:57

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like grab the popcorn, extra butter, smother it, put it in your mouth.

SPEAKER_02 1:03

Load it on.

SPEAKER_00 1:06

Load it up, shove it in, and let's get into it.

SPEAKER_02 1:11

Oh okay, so we had we had uh It was a marathon. It was a marathon. When isn't it? No, it's everything is everything is a marathon.

SPEAKER_00 1:20

Everything is a marathon.

SPEAKER_01 1:21

Yeah I feel like anytime we do anything, everyone's like, how's your weekend? And I was like, girl, it was a marathon, but it was bad.

SPEAKER_02 1:26

Yeah, and you know what the saying that I feel like is really just ring so true is just like how you do anything is how you do everything.

SPEAKER_01 1:33

And like we just really always um aim to excel and buy plants, yes, and level up and exceed the expectations that are placed on us. And I think like people have expectations from us, and we just keep leveling them. No, and myself ourselves. No, well me too. Yeah, I mean you you gag me regularly. Yeah, honestly. Um, okay, so there was the West Hollywood uh festival, right? Out loud, which last year I feel like we were in so much. We didn't leave. That was really bought our ticket.

SPEAKER_02 2:15

Okay, mind you, so West Hollywood obviously has this festival, and it it honestly is like a little mini music festival. They have good acts. So the tickets are what for the whole weekend, like 200 or something. Like 75 or something, yeah, which is a little pricey, honestly. But I feel like every year they make it a little bit bigger and bigger. Like they had the Pussycat dolls to see Jade. Oh, she was amazing. Yeah, Ava Max, and they do have there's two stages. There's like the backstage, which is like more house music, like Summer Tramp. Summer Tramp, yep, and then there's the main stage. And you know, they have dancers, like it's it's a full production. So I guess. Um, and last year we took full advantage of our tickets. We were in there the whole time. This year, however, we only went in, I think, for two different acts.

SPEAKER_01 2:57

Yeah, we went in for Pussycat Dolls and Friendade. Yeah, but yeah, I mean, I I mean Summer Tramp, I will say, was like I was kind of like on. Sad that we didn't go there. Yeah, because I did love it last year. But at the same time, it's a good vibe. Yeah, but at the same time, I feel like we were just living it up with like the people we were with, and we just ended up at the bars. And usually I feel like the drawback from that is that the bar, the lines are so long and the bars are so crowded. It really wasn't that busy this year. Yeah, yeah. I think that's why we were more inclined to just stay at the bars because we're like, oh, it's actually not bad. Whereas usually I feel like it's like, do I want to wait in line? I'd rather just go into the festival.

SPEAKER_02 3:32

And there's something about us is that we will go where the wind blows us. Absolutely. Yeah. Regardless, if we drop 275 on a ticket, if there's uh more fun or the people that we're interested in hanging out with that are going over this way, it's screw the ticket. And I'm gonna go where the funners, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:47

Yeah, more of the crew is just hanging out outside of the festival this week. Correct, yeah. So yeah, um, okay. Friday night we went to the bars, right? We went to the bars. Oh, yeah, that was with uh Nathan, Angelo, you, me, we pregamed up my place, and then we went over to the bars.

SPEAKER_02 4:02

And then Saturday, which that was fun, that was cute, that was a good time. And then Saturday we woke up early in the morning, we had a pool party to go to. And you were kind of having like your it was like the the uh Pride pregame that was also mixed with kind of like your little housewarming. Yeah, because it was the first time you know you got your apartment pretty much fully furnished, so it was like the first time we had people over, which was cool. So we like pregamed at the at your place, and then we went to a pool party.

SPEAKER_01 4:28

And I listen, I love a pool party. Me too. I love a day moment, I love a pool party. The weather was nice, we were out and about, it was it was really cute, pool boys, little bikinis, no, literally strings, yeah. Hey, metaboy or two, you know. Oh, for sure, metaboy or two. Oh my gosh. And then you guys, let me just tell you, I am so happy that we're friends. And um, you have really, really opened up a lot of uh emotional doors for me. Yeah. But one thing I will say is that this bitch will have me crying in the club every single time.

SPEAKER_00 5:09

And I'm like, why like in the moment, you know, I'm in the moment, but then I'm like, why are we crying in the club?

SPEAKER_02 5:15

No, literally, that is like my my favorite thing ever to do, is like, and and I don't, it's not even intentional.

SPEAKER_01 5:22

Like, it just happens. Like, I don't even know how we went from like I literally, Chelsea was sending me videos of like me singing midnight, sitting in the pool, we're like and then like two seconds later, we're in a in a corner.

SPEAKER_02 5:33

We're literally in a corner eyes out, sobbing, holding each other, like confessing our love for our friendship and like girls. Like, oh my god. Go take a shot and get in the pool.

SPEAKER_00 5:43

It's never that serious, but but it was fun, it was so fun. I loved it. I would do it again, I would do it again too, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 5:49

So yeah, we definitely had those moments, the boy moments. Um, and then after the pool party, we came back to my place. Yeah, pre-games. Pre-games. You fell asleep. Yeah, I passed out for like a little bit of a few.

SPEAKER_02 6:01

I was like, all right, well, we're out.

SPEAKER_01 6:03

Oh yeah. So then we went out. We went out to the bars. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:06

And then oh yeah, yeah, yeah. We went to the bars. And and I will say Saturday, we were probably the biggest version of rats that we could have been.

SPEAKER_01 6:14

Oh my gosh, yes, yes, yes. That was also Pussycat Dolls Night.

SPEAKER_02 6:16

Yeah, yeah. Um, and yeah, I mean, we both met a few boys and were having a good little time.

SPEAKER_01 6:23

Oh my gosh, the friends. Okay, so listen.

SPEAKER_02 6:27

Wait, that was was that Sunday?

SPEAKER_01 6:29

Oh, was that Sunday?

SPEAKER_02 6:30

That was Sunday. So, anyways, oh how did you feel about the Pussycat dolls performance? Um real, real treatment.

SPEAKER_01 6:35

Real talk. Okay, I love pussycat dolls. I was so excited to see them again. And I did see a lot of like discourse about this online too, which I kind of agree with. I was a little, I was just like underwhelmed. I was like, what is happening right now? It felt really like it felt like the energy was so like uh separated, I guess. I don't know, it didn't, it was interesting. And then on top of that, I know they haven't like performed together for a long time and stuff, but I don't know, it just felt very uh it didn't feel like unified, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 7:04

I I would agree to that. Um and I feel like this was probably an obvious, but as someone who graduated from fashion school, I do feel like I have the um yeah, yeah, I have the certification to read. Their outfits were horrendous.

SPEAKER_01 7:22

They came out in like these puffy, like like Nicole, you're so hot.

SPEAKER_02 7:25

Why are you wearing that? Yes, it was like a big puff. It was like all like black and white, like and I'm like, what and then it was so it was so weird. The outfit was terrible. If the outfit itself, honestly, if I had something nicer to look at, I probably would have enjoyed it a little bit more, and it's no shade because she's literally stunning. But like, babes, you're like performing for the gays. Like you need to make sure that the fit is like like what were those fits? Yeah, yeah. Like the dancers themselves were good, but it was I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 7:48

I guess it was just I feel like the chemistry with the with the girls though was just so like weird. Yeah, and I do know that like um because I saw on social media that like the other two members, well, two of the other members were not invited to come back.

SPEAKER_02 8:03

Which and it's like they probably could have used you. No shade.

SPEAKER_01 8:06

They probably could have, honestly. Yeah, also because Carmi, who was one of the pussy cat dolls, she was like, she is a dancer down, like she was in Beyonce's Crazy in Love video before she was on Pussycat Dolls. She was like, yeah, she was eating it up. And I'm like, I bet you she would have eaten it up still. Yeah, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 8:22

100%.

SPEAKER_01 8:22

So it was really interesting. Obviously, I don't know the tea behind all that. I just saw them both like her and Jessica. I saw them post up online about them not getting invited. Um but yeah, it just felt a little disconnected. I agree. Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_02 8:36

But that was really the only one that we saw. Yeah, that was really all we saw. Yeah, and then we had a great little rest of the night, whatever. Out till God knows. God knows around 4 a.m. 4 a.m. something and all like a lot of drip cycle people were there too, like the the place that we work at. So that was fun. So we got to meet up with everybody. Um and then and then Sunday, yeah. So Oh my god, lol. So Sunday. Sunday. Our first we wake up and we're pushing. I FaceTimed Luis and I'm like, bitch, I don't know. Because we run it. We did Saturday night all day. And we went hard for both of those. And so we're like, I like wake up and I'm like, bitch, how the fuck are we gonna do this? I was like, I don't know. And so we had plans to go to our friend Connor's house who He was having a little brunch. He was having a brunch, right? And he's like, hey, I'd be here at two or whatever. So I get to Luis's and I'm like, oh, you know what just sounds so good? An Aperl Spritz. I'm like, I need an Aperl Spritz. And we're like And I'm like, you know what? Yeah, oh he told me that there's um, hey, also FYI, there's unlimited, or what is it, bottomless? April. Aperal spritz at this one place. At this one place at La Bohim, yeah. So I was like, that sounds incredible. And we're like, oh, well, you know what? Five minutes, we're in five minutes, we're supposed to be at the place that we're at.

SPEAKER_00 9:47

But we're like, let's just go. I'm like, it's a walkover, it's like a five minute.

SPEAKER_02 9:51

We'll get two at once, we'll do it, whatever. So we we walk over, we get to La Bohim, and we're we ordered two at once, and we're literally double fisting. We're like, we have to, whatever. And we're hey, texting, everyone's texting us, where are you guys at? Where are you guys at? And we're like, we're like, um, traffic's really bad right now. Hi brain, traffic is insane. Yeah, and we're like, oh, we'll be we're literally on the way, we'll be right there, whatever. They knew.

SPEAKER_01 10:12

They knew down, yeah. Um, so then we like chug them. We're like, hey, can we get the check? We gotta go, whatever. Home girl brings us the check, we pay, and then we go to brunch. Right, right. Chug and mimosa's the whole thing, drinking, taking shots, whatever. Then we go out.

SPEAKER_02 10:31

And Louise, um was on one. Yeah, she was really, really in her bag. And I was like, listen, little girl, I'm like, you need to sit right next to me. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, we need to put some pep in your step, whatever. And yeah, so then the decisions that were made like beyond that point were a little questionable, but they did get us to where we needed to be, thank God.

SPEAKER_01 10:58

I love that the solution for you to me was to um enhance. Enhance the experience by giving me my some extra credit. Yeah, yeah. I said, you know what? Um you need this. You need this, take this now. Yep, and stand the fuck up. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:13

So we really just like went in and hey, so so you know, we've been manifesting this on the podcast since the end of time. So we get to this bar, story time. We get to this bar, we're we walk in, we are on one, we're having a great old, grand old time, whatever. I start talking to this boy, Louise starts talking to this boy, and we're like smitten, like they're like friends. Yeah, we find out they're friends, and I we're like looking at I'm like, this is it. This is what we've been like manifesting. No, literally, right? So I'm like living for and we're both we're wrapped up. We're like in a cocoon just momentum doing the whole thing. Like our friends are like, where did Brett and Luis go? And we're literally like We're in the corner with the two boys, yeah. And so I sit, I'm talking to my guy, and I'm like, oh my god, like this is so fun. Like, we should totally go on a double date. Like, that's so cute, whatever. And he's like, ooh, you know, I don't know about that because um he's married. And I'm like, wait, the guy that Luis is with, I'm like, because I'm like, they're we're in it, and I like we're having conversations, we're talking, like, it's just it's you know, it's different than just being like, oh, you're so cute, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 12:25

You would have thought they were dating for six months, yeah, yeah. Like wrapped up. And then so you come over to me. So I'm like, and I'm like tapp Louise on the shoulder, and I'm like, girl, he's married. And I thought you were talking about your guy. So I like yell, the homeboy's like right behind me, and I'm like, he's married.

SPEAKER_00 12:42

You're like, he's married, and then like, and the guy's like, and I'm like, you're like, not my guy, your guy. And I'm like, he's married, like pointing it out. I'm literally like not just green at all. I'm obviously like fucked up, so I'm just like yelling in the glove.

SPEAKER_02 12:57

This guy, like the guy right here behind me is married. Hey, and also the guy's name was Brett.

SPEAKER_01 13:05

Brett, that was kind of a gag.

SPEAKER_02 13:06

I was like, I that's crazy to me.

SPEAKER_01 13:09

Yeah, so then I after that, it was like obviously just awkward or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 13:15

Yeah, yeah. And we're like, okay, we gotta go. Yeah. Homeboy is texting me novels. Novels. So this is the part where it's like, what the hell? Like, it I just okay, like you're in an open relationship, cool. You're in a marriage, cool, but like you're out in public, literally doing entire like romantic boyfriend moments, and then you're gutted when I find out and I like I'm like, okay, like we're gonna go. Right. Like, I don't necessarily I'm not interested in being a part of that, and then you're blowing up my phone, like, I'm so sorry, I really like you, blah blah blah, this and that, this and that.

SPEAKER_01 13:48

And it's like like we had a genuine connection. I really like I'm really I messed up by not telling you, and that and I'm like, if you're like you are married, so none of this matters.

SPEAKER_02 14:00

None of this matters, like you're and that's that's I think this is the part that like spooks me a little bit in regards to like you know, considering like me ever being open with people because it's like again, you're you're allowing opportunities for people to like connect, right? And it's like what if you find like a connection with somebody and like now it's like he like I really do think you probably gagged him, like he like he was into it, like he you know what I mean, like and he was definitely thinking about you probably for however long, and it's like you have an entire marriage to tend to, yeah, you know, like let me not be the one to ruin that no, I yeah, after that I was like it's done, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 14:36

Yeah, which it yeah, it just it blows my mind, and that's I get that same fear too is like the amount of trust that you're gonna have to have with that person if you were ever to be in an open relationship, but also just like I guess, yeah, anything could really happen. Anything can happen if you if the door is open, like someone's gonna walk through it. Because even if you hook up with somebody like one, two, three, a couple times, and then you're like, Oh, I start to vibe with that person.

SPEAKER_02 14:59

Yes, there's a level of comfortability, you start to crave them, like gosh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:04

So So like we just can't win, you know. No, no, no, no, no. Um anything else happen really? I feel like that was the gist of it. Oh, and then okay, so we're out with everybody till like the whole crew, right? Drip people, whatever, till like I don't know, three, four in the morning. And hey, we all had to be on set the next morning at nine a.m.

SPEAKER_02 15:26

Oh my god. We we did a music video. Yep. At n we had to be on set at 9 a.m. Uh we were like dancing, but we were pretending to be cheerleaders. Right. And they had us, it was like a 50s inspired or 60s inspired, whatever. So it's like they have us, the boys in like sweatpants, like polo shirts, yeah, polo on top, knitted sweater on top, and we're in the hot sun from 9 a.m. till 9 p.m. Damn near 10 a.m. On like a football field, on a football field, dancing, doing the whole thing, and we are all lifeless. Lifeless, like shell dead inside, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:00

And we're on this, like we're just like all I mean, at least we were all in it together.

SPEAKER_02 16:05

Yeah, we were that was serious trauma bonding, trauma bonding down, severe trauma bonding, but it was so insane. It was like we were it was fine because it was like giggly and we were laughing just because it was like an insane experience. I'm like, I feel like I'm in the twilight zone right now. Like, there's no way that just a few hours ago I was literally like throwing ass at high tops, you know what I mean? No, literally, and now we're here to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_01 16:27

And now I'm here like fully performing and doing the bit. Yeah, so that was so fun. Hey, happy pride, happy pride. Um, yeah, and hey, I would do it again.

SPEAKER_02 16:38

Right. Oh, for sure. And I'll see you there next year. Right. Oh, yeah. Same time. I don't think we're gonna buy the tickets, though. So I don't know. I I think maybe we'll find like I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 16:47

Summer chat was like the only reason why I'd want to go, but like I don't think we need the passes, honestly. Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 16:52

We'll see. Hey, ask Kessel next year though.

SPEAKER_01 16:54

I know because the year before that we didn't buy them and then we ended up buying them, and this year we bought them and didn't really use them. So it changes every year.

SPEAKER_02 17:00

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, okay, so do you like being gay?

SPEAKER_01 17:12

Um so are you proud? Are you proud? I need to know. I need to know. Oh my god. Like sometimes yes, and sometimes I question everything. Right, right, right. No, no, no. I do actually really, I mean, I it just it is who I am at my core, right? Like the personality, the culture, like all that stuff. So yeah, like you're gay. Babe, look who's talking. You are you are gay. Like, you know, I just think like I can't imagine being straight. Like no hanging out with straight guys. Oh god, like no, we do have some straight guys. We do, we do. But I mean like being in, like, I just I I don't think to the core it's who I am. You know what I mean? No, no, no. So I do, but there are some sometimes, you know, we complain and joke, but there are certain things that I'm like, why is gay culture like this? Or you know what I mean? Of course. And I'm sure I would have the same thoughts if I was straight, but it is interesting to think about that. Like, in your opinion, what do you think is like the hardest part about being gay?

SPEAKER_02 18:18

I and I you know, being gay is such a journey that I feel like at first the hardest part of being gay is accepting it, right? I think like when we're young, you're so you know, you're not exposed, especially when we were younger, we weren't as exposed to being gay in the media and stuff. So like you see yourself as kind of like a problem or an issue, or there's something wrong. Like that that your gayness is is wrong and it needs to be fixed. So I think like the acceptance of of that at such a young age and having to like be vulnerable enough to share that with people and share your truth, like that's for sure the hardest part. That then once you accept it, then it you know it kind of becomes a superpower, and then you love it and you go through you know these different waves. And I think that gay people get away with a lot of things that like straight people can't. Like, um, I think that we're valued in certain spaces way more than average people are, and um, so I I appreciate that as well. However, like I think you know, the older that you get, um there's challenges in regards to just our culture, it's like it's like a plus and a minus. Whereas like we have the freedom, we are very sexually free people, and that's nice, right? Like, I I love that. I love being like sex positive, and there's plenty of resources to explore, and um but on on the flip side of that, like we kind of um like you know the standard for a relationship is like more so an open relationship, and um if you value like monogamy and you want kids and stuff, like it's more difficult to get married and have children and stuff than it would for would be for straight people, but then it's like but we also get to like live our lives a little bit more, like there's so many pluses and minuses, but like I would never change it.

SPEAKER_01 20:10

I agree. I think it's kind of like every pro kind of comes with its con in a way, and it's like sometimes the pro is the con, and sometimes the con is the pro.

SPEAKER_02 20:22

Like that was poetry, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:24

And sometimes the pro is the con and it's pro-con and con pro. Um no, but I do I do think like again, the sexual freedom uh is is yeah, pro, but at the same time, because we prioritize sexual freedom, then you know, monogamy and all that kind of stuff isn't usually as prioritized. Yeah. Um, and also kind of with the whole like marriage and kids thing, it is a lot harder. I mean, there's so many things. We're still in a place where, yeah, we've progressed, but also, you know, there's so much going on politically right now, and it can be really hard to think that to be uh the fear of taking steps backwards. Yeah. Um, not only in gay, uh like gay terms, but in anything, really, you know. But so there is there is that fear, and also like we live in a place where yes, it is very accepted and um normalized, but it's not like that everywhere. No, it's not like that everywhere, and it's really hard to hear about you know, other parts of the world that are not as open to it and where people are still having to hide who they are, you know.

SPEAKER_02 21:33

Yeah, and I think like the like you said, the fear that it's like your rights are always kind of like dwindled, like they're kind of like dangling in front of you. It's like right now we have them, but it's like we have to like hold on for dear life because you don't know what could happen and your your rights could just be taken so easily. Right, you know, exactly our rights to to marriage and to having kids. Because in other places it's illegal for gay men to like have children or or adopt. Um yeah, I think those things are are scary, but I think that's why events like pride are so incredibly important, you know?

SPEAKER_01 22:04

Um yeah, I think it's in my in my head, I'm like, thank God for the internet and social media in that sense. Cause I know, I mean, depending on where you are too, the access that you have to it, but at least there is some kind of uh avenue for people to see what is happening in other parts of the world, to know that they are not crazy and feeling this way, and to know that there are communities and people that think the same as they do, you know what I mean, and feel the same as they do. So in that sense, grateful for it. Of course, like I said, we joke about it and like when it comes to dating and stuff, I would say definitely in like the dating terms, it is the hardest part, really, I think, is the monogamy part for me. Yeah, me too. Because it's like I really just want to start something with somebody and have a connection and I mean my man, my man, my man. Yeah, you know, and it's like it's hard when nobody wants to do that, nobody's interested, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:58

So yeah, monogamy.

SPEAKER_01 22:59

It's like no matter how many dates you go on, like it is just insane the things that will come out of people's mouths sometimes. Oh my god. Okay, question. Yeah. Do you think that dating apps have like helped or hurt the gay community? I think they've helped and hurt.

SPEAKER_02 23:20

I think overall it's it's just so hard because I think that any platform or resource that is given to gays for them to be able to connect and for them to be like a safe space, even if it's an app, I think is a good thing, right? Because it's like you know, some people, even though we're we've progressed a lot and we live in LA, like and other places and stuff, it's not as easy to be outwardly flamboyant or yourself, you know, people are afraid to do that, or you you don't know if people are gay or straight, you know what I mean? So sometimes being gay, like you know, if you live in a more conservative space, it's hard to like come up to someone and hit on them because that can be dangerous. Yeah, you know what I mean? Absolutely, and so it's good, I think, when there's resources that we have to be able to connect with one another and like for you to know okay, this person would be interested and you can, you know, virtually meet versus like coming up to someone and and risking them not being gay, them being uncomfortable, then being angry or upset, or you know, that that situation escalating. Um But I do think that the apps have made sex so easily accessible. And so our brains now are wired to like want the next best thing so fast.

SPEAKER_01 24:45

Because we know that it's at the tip of our fingers.

SPEAKER_02 24:47

It's at the tip of our fingers, and it's like sometimes once you get it, you're ready for the next. Absolutely. It's like you know, you've had a taste of it and you're like, okay, well, I tried it, I don't really want it anymore. Yeah, you know, and so that makes it really hard to sustain because it's like it's created this ongoing craving for what's next.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

Yeah, it's the convenience aspect of it all, you know what I mean? Like I agree with everything you said. Like when you think about even like grinder and stuff, you know, showing location, finding people in your area, the whole thing was safety to find people that no the hole was right, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:22

Was 300 feet away.

SPEAKER_00 25:26

The hole.

SPEAKER_02 25:28

Okay, the hole lots of holes are 300 feet away.

SPEAKER_00 25:31

Hole after hole after hole.

SPEAKER_01 25:32

And I'm like, wow, wow, there's so many holes here.

SPEAKER_02 25:35

Good to know.

SPEAKER_00 25:38

Oh my gosh. And I'll pick this hole, and I'll pick. Oh my god. It's really crazy.

SPEAKER_01 25:46

It's really insane, but it's it is really also crazy the stuff that you can find out. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 25:53

It is, I show it to my straight friends all the time, and they are gooped and gagged gagged. They're like wow.

SPEAKER_01 25:59

Yeah, because I showed my girlfriend once, uh, because we were actually on a trip together, and it's funny, there was this like boy that we met in person, but then I was like, LOL, he's on a grinder, you know? And I was like, oh my god, he just sent me his album. And she was like, let me see. So I showed it to her and she goes, Oh my god, gay guys are just so like artistic with their nudes.

SPEAKER_02 26:18

No, we really we'd be getting the angles.

SPEAKER_01 26:20

She's like, honestly, if straightman knew how to take pictures like this, I'd be way more intrigued than like honestly, that is so real.

SPEAKER_02 26:29

So real. It's like it's like running a business. Like, if you're not angling your nudes right, like no one is gonna want to like buy from your company. And if you're not marketing yourself correctly, because listen, I I've had both, I've had both experiences. Like, like I know my angles, right? And so I think that it's good marketing. But some people, some people I've had experiences or people where I've hooked up with them first and then I've seen their pictures after and you're like, and you're not doing anything for you in person. Like that angle was not it, man. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 27:02

And then it kind of just makes me like, okay, or sometimes like you're like, you're like, oh, like, yeah, it's cute, but then the the pictures are either like just really bad quality or just not like, and I'm like, okay, is that how it's gonna be? Like, I don't know. Right, right, right. More so in the sense of like, I don't know. I think I for me, it's also like the way that you take care of yourself and your space and whatever. And I know that might sound like dramatic and really intense, but it's also like if you're sending me these like crazy, blurry, just whatever pictures, I'm like, does that mean you're not like is your space gonna be a mess? Like, are you gonna be like put together?

SPEAKER_02 27:32

Yeah, like you could send me a dick pic all you want, and it could be a great dick print, but like, or a dick pic, but like if your apartment is disgusting. Yeah, I mean, I am going to notice that and I'm gonna be way less interested. Bad marketing, bad marketing, bad marketing.

SPEAKER_01 27:47

I just I feel like, yeah, I I obviously, you know, you want to like feel comfortable and put your best foot first. You want to put something first, right? Right.

SPEAKER_02 27:56

And I like there's just certain angles that look so much better of a penis. You know what I mean? And some people miss the mark. I'm like, that is a terrible angle of your penis.

SPEAKER_00 28:07

Yes, I agree. I agree.

SPEAKER_01 28:09

Like okay, let's talk about it. What's your angle? Do you take it like from above, from below, from the side? Like, what do you do?

SPEAKER_02 28:18

Okay, I'll either do like a mirror pick, like you know what I mean, because it's like the full shebang. Yeah. Um, but like you know, I used to do like the sideways one so you can see like the full length of it off there. Yeah, but like now I, you know, it's from the front, yeah. But just like push it down a little bit and then it's whatever, or I'll do like I'll take it like the whole torso area, not like here where it's just like this, which that's like fine, I guess. But if you like turn the camera and do the whole like torso angle, it can be times, yeah. Good marketing, yeah. Good marketing, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:53

No, I I agree. A mirror pick always does it. I feel like that's just a good representation of like, you know, yeah, hey, that's how you're gonna see it. So um, but yeah, the the angle from up top, you know what angle I don't think really does it for me? Which one is like from the bottom. I I was gonna say that one. Like, I'm like, girl, what what you're missing the mark, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:16

It's like their remote or something. It's like it's like they put it next to their shampoo bottle. Yeah, and I'm like, okay. First of all, upgrade the shampoo, babe. Like you got that at the dollar store.

SPEAKER_01 29:25

Like you're like, you that's the shampoo you use? No, right. But I just think that's so funny. I'm like, okay, I get it. You're trying to show off the size, but it is just so funny to me because I'm like, what is like random? Why is that in there?

SPEAKER_02 29:35

Like, yeah, like put your fucking TV remote down.

unknown 29:37

Like, put the remote down, baby.

SPEAKER_02 29:40

I don't care. Like, no, it's just so. It's like dick Roku. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:44

And I'm like, you're like Roku. Okay, right, right. I'm like, I love it. Oh my God.

SPEAKER_02 29:51

Um dick picks up. And like, definitely don't put it next to a remote if you don't have a smart TV.

SPEAKER_00 29:58

No shade, no shade, but like an old rocking a smart TV, babe.

SPEAKER_02 30:04

Like, don't put your clicker in the dick pic.

SPEAKER_01 30:06

Like, oh my god. I I love that. Um, so anyways, message is take pride in your dick pics. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good marketing. In your nudes. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:17

And you can send them to me if you want me to let you know and I can help send them. We will approve. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:21

Approve or, you know, what is it? Tutor boo. Right. Tutor boo. Tutor boo. Um, okay. Another one. Have you ever felt pressure to fit into certain into a certain type of gay culture?

SPEAKER_02 30:33

Yes. Actually, I have I have definitely felt that. Like, and as I've gotten older, I feel like I have shifted and changed and whatever. I will say I feel like the gays are very categorized. We're strong in like the category that you are, right? So, like obviously, like 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, I'm like twinked down. Yeah. Right? Totally. And then, and then it's like as you start to get older, start you start, and then so you know, like you can like vibe in your twinker and you're like, yeah, that's me, or whatever. But then sometimes I feel like as you get older, then it's like there's like almost like a negative connotation that's given to twinks, which I hate. I don't think that's like right. But so then you're like, you know, you start to get to your later 20s and you're like like clawing to get out of the twink like era. I'm like, I don't want to be a twink anymore. I want to put on weight, you know, grow out my facial hair, like whatever. I want to be considered as more of a man or a twunk or like whatever. It's like that's like the next thing. Um, and then it's like, you know, but then you feel like your personality almost has to relay that as well. So then you feel like I I have like felt myself being like, wait, okay, now that I'm here, how do I act? Or now that I'm here, how do I act, you know? Um and I hate that, but I now I feel like I'm at a point where I'm just like, Yodan, I'm like, you know, I'm a little bit of everything, and this is this is what I'm not gonna shift and change to just like completely meet the criteria of one specific category that people could put me in based off of looks.

SPEAKER_01 32:02

Yeah, you know, I feel like, yeah, it's so interesting because I also just being someone who's on the shorter side, and yeah, when I was younger, I was just like slim and you know, I just danced and was doing sports and stuff, whatever. So, like, I in that sense, like I feel like I just always was a twink and I was just very clean cut and very, very that, you know. Um, and I think when you're younger, it's also kind of like sure, you definitely still have that idea of like, oh well, I still want to be like fit and looked at as sexy, but at the same time, when you're younger, it's kind of like okay, I'm okay with being like the cute, like twink, whatever, because you know, yeah, it attracts a certain type of guy, I guess, or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 32:40

It does, it really does.

SPEAKER_01 32:41

Yeah, yeah. And then, but like you said, as you grow up, um, and as I've like, even just diving into my own fitness journey in terms of becoming a fitness instructor and all that kind of stuff. Like, I'm like, okay, you know, I I started, yeah, building more muscle and just whatever. Um, it's interesting to see how as you get older the reaction from boys changes. And you get a completely brand new set of attention. Yeah, it's very different. And it's also like, again, we've probably talked about this before too, but like, you know, in the gay community, there is such a desire to be masculine. Yeah, it's almost like a competition. It's like who's more masculine? 100%. Which is like, I don't really, it's so crazy to me. I mean, I understand where it comes from, right? From in the past, people were trying to assimilate to culture and see if you could, and if you could pass, then you were, you know, more successful and whatever. So it's like that's the idea that was ingrained into us. But at the same time, it's like we're at a point in gay culture and community where like, why are we trying so hard to be masculine? Yeah. Like, why can't we? Sure, we can still be fit and like whatever or anything really. We could still have our own personality, you know, like, and we can have both uh elements of it. Because, like you said, I feel like sometimes we we feel more feminine and sometimes we feel more masculine. Like, I feel like there's definitely a balance there. Um, and it's just interesting because sometimes we still get guys like on apps and stuff being like, Are you mask? And it's like I don't even know what that means. I don't like like what do you identify as masculine?

SPEAKER_02 34:16

Yeah, like like what's the checklist?

SPEAKER_01 34:18

Right, like you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 34:20

Because there's so many, it's a spectrum, and I'm so much more of a powerful being than to ever be categorized as mask or feminine. Honestly, period. You know what I mean? Like I am so multi-layered and multi-dimensional that like there's no way that I could fit into either one. Like I am just me, and you know, I've got a little bit of a both, and on some days they're it's just so interchangeable, and it's I'm just always constantly ebbing and flowing, and um and I'm I'm proud of my you know, my flamboyance. I'm proud of my masculinity. Like I used to be very, very insecure about my flamboyance, like very insecure. And there's sometimes, you know, because of the pressures of of community where I'm like, oh, okay, do I need to tone it down right now? Like, or like if I go on a date with a guy, I'm like, ugh, is he gonna be okay with you know my voice? Or I don't want to dress too flashy or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 35:15

Sometimes, you know, you go back and forth on those things, but then it's like at the end of the day, it's like this is literally just who I am, and so and it's interesting because I think like there are certain spaces where our flamboyance and and our just you know personality is what attracts people to us, yeah. But then when it comes into like gay men culture dating, that whole thing, it's like sometimes that's the drawback. Sometimes that's like Which is so crazy.

SPEAKER_02 35:39

Yeah, because I mean we were just at our friend's 30th birthday, and um the the one or two straight guys that were in there were immediately like this with us. Like we became buddies of them, they loved us, like whatever. We were so and like, you know, obviously all the girls and stuff, like we were so celebrated for having such big personalities in that space, and it seems like everybody loved having us there because of who we were, and because of the flamboyance and just like the the fun and the energy that we brought, but then it's like we go on a first date with someone who's in our own community and they're kind of like, Whoa, what's up?

SPEAKER_01 36:11

Or you go to like you know, a circuit party or something, and it's like really they're like uh just gay spaces sometimes. The energy and the attention is always going to the masculine beefy guy in the corner that's hardly showing emotion and is just like and I'm like that's so crazy that that's like the the thing, but you know what's also funny because yeah, I feel like Twinks, the category of Twinks gets a bad rap, but at the same time, I believe it was Pornhub that released a that's the number one. That's the number one search, right? Is Twinks. Is Twinks like and honestly, period. But I'm like, it's just so funny because I literally saw on social media the other day, literally like yesterday, this boy, he's an influencer, and he like went on there and he's like, You guys, I'm not a twink, I'm a twunk. Like, I've tried so hard to like work on like blah blah blah. And he was like talking about wanting to not become a twink, and I'm like, but also why are we fighting so hard? Like, yeah, go on your journey and do it. But I'm like, he was getting offended by being called a twink. I don't know. It's that's so interesting. It's so interesting to hear people still have that perspective. So I don't really know sometimes. I'm like, are we just doing it to put on a front? Yeah or do we actually I mean honestly?

SPEAKER_02 37:19

Honestly, I think I had some personal growth in regards to that too. Because like when I was younger, the only guys that I would date ever, if they if I even seen that they had like a little bit of femininity, I'd be like, no, I can't do it. Oh, really? It's like, yeah, I was like programmed, I feel like, to feel that way. And like now that I'm older and I feel like now I've been diving more into my masculinity as well as my femininity. Like, you know, um, like I'll throw on a pair of heels and I'm gonna dance the house down, but like I also love to be a man and whatever. But but now as I'm older, I am attracted to men now that have some feminine. I'm like when I can see femininity in you, I'm like, oh yes, okay, this is like it feels more sustainable. And I there's something so I love I love a man that can show off his femininity. I think it's so attractive now. Like it's it's sexy to me. Where it's crazy because when I was young, I feel like just those idealistic standards, I really fell right into those. And I was like, no, like a man that's feminine or does this or like would wear ever wear heels or whatever. I'm like, ooh, no, it can't do it.

SPEAKER_01 38:18

I feel like I was it's funny, I feel like I was kind of the opposite because I feel like when I was younger, if I knew that a guy had a feminine side to him, that made me feel safe to have my feminine side too. Yeah. So I was always like, if you're super hyper masculine, then I'm afraid. Like I feel like then I can't be myself around you because you're gonna judge me for it. So I always kind of like dated guys who, yeah, sure, presented, you know, maybe a little more masculine or just neutral, but had a feminine side because I was like, I feel like that's like I feel safe in that space. Yeah. Um, I still believe that now, you know, like I still, I still think like, sure, it's hot to, you know, want a masculine man, but at the same time, I'm like, I want someone who can also tap into their feminine. I do too.

SPEAKER_02 39:03

I do too. I I think um, I think maybe when I was younger, it was more so like I had the opposite like mindset. I was like, oh, if he has femininity too, there's no way he can actually really be attracted to me. You know what I mean? I was like, I need a fully masculine man because when I was younger, I felt like I was way more feminine and like tapped into my femininity. So I was like, oh, he won't be attracted to me if he's feminine too, like whatever. But now as I'm older and I'm looking for like a life partner and not just like a hookup, I'm like, I need someone that's gonna be my best friend, is gonna be sustainable. Like, I mean, maybe that guy is fully masculine, but I don't think so. Like, I want us to be able to relate and align on so many different things, but and and I think that that would be like like I want someone who's comfortable being feminine because I think that's also like a really cool part about being gay is like we kind of have the permission to dive, yeah, to do both.

SPEAKER_01 39:53

I want to, we need to bring a straight man on the pod, and I want to hear your perspective. Like, I want to hear like what their perspective is because I do feel like some girls, you know, like guys who can be playful in that sense, maybe not like feminine, but like who can be playful and tap into a little bit of that. But I'm like, to what extent? And I know I know it's gonna differ from guy to guy, I know it's gonna differ from girl to girl, but I'd just be so curious to like hear the perspective of we, I think that's I think that's on the to-do list.

SPEAKER_02 40:20

We need to find a straight man, yeah, and see. We have some we could bring on. Oh, we definitely have a few. Yeah, I've already got a few in mind. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, no, literally, but that would be fun. Ring, useless banters calling. Ring, ring. You to all the straight boys.

SPEAKER_01 40:35

No, literally. I do think that'd be fun to have that perspective and conversation. So definitely adding it to the list. Um, but yeah, I think it's just interesting in general that we have. You know, it's funny, we didn't drink any of this.

SPEAKER_02 40:46

I thought about that in the I didn't want to interrupt you, but we were being oh my god, that's so funny because I thought about it too. And you didn't want to interrupt you! Cheers. Yeah, oh my god, cheers.

SPEAKER_00 40:58

G-A-Y-G. Oh god.

SPEAKER_01 41:02

Cheers to all the gays, to all the queers.

SPEAKER_02 41:11

Mmm, alcohol. Well, I think this wine is gay too. Yeah. Oh, oh um, well, anyways, with that being said, we just had to catch you guys up on our um Prideful Weekend.

SPEAKER_01 41:26

Yeah, it was really such a blast. And it's hey, it's still Pride Month.

SPEAKER_02 41:30

Um And just remember, like, I'll show you mine if you show me yours, Pride.

SPEAKER_01 41:38

That makes me think of the the year to not this last year, but the was that two years ago? Maybe three even. No, maybe two years ago. When we were like chant chant chanting, oh okay, all right, sorry. Before we go, we do have shows.

SPEAKER_02 41:49

So last year at Pride. We're just we're stupid. We're drunk, we're wasted, we're with our group of friends, we're having a fall. And so we end up, we're just like chanting. Let me see your ball sack, let me see your ball sack, and we just kept doing it every time. And like we were just being so annoying. And then some guy behind us goes, Waboosh, pulls it out, waboosh. Hey, the biggest ball stack I've ever seen in my life. Like golf ball sacks, like tennis ball sacks. Are you okay?

SPEAKER_01 42:18

No, we all we all the way we're like, let me see.

SPEAKER_02 42:21

I all jaws on the floor. No, I listen, I've seen quite a few sacks in my day.

SPEAKER_01 42:27

But this was different. That was definitely different. He literally left. Well, one, we were all gagged and we're like, oh my god, and then he left and we were all like, is he okay? No, like something was definitely like and then we learned that you can actually inject them to make them bigger.

SPEAKER_02 42:39

You can put filler in your ball sack. I was like, babe, how many needles did you get? No, he like that shit is heavy.

SPEAKER_01 42:45

Heavy, yeah, heavy.

SPEAKER_02 42:46

I will never, never forget that.

SPEAKER_01 42:48

No, that will be ingrained in my mind for a year. So, anyways.

SPEAKER_02 42:54

Hopefully, hopefully, he's marketing his ball sack and with some good angles at least. Right, right, right. Like, yeah, in his album.

SPEAKER_01 43:01

Honestly, like OnlyFans that yeah, you know, for sure. I bet people have like a big ball kink. Okay, we are wrapping it up. Love you guys so much, and I've gay talk.

SPEAKER_02 43:09

Yeah, market your nudes well. We'll see you later.