Casually Spiraling
Welcome to Casually Spiraling with me, Julie Bishop — just a tall girl in this world, trying to make sense of life, dating, money, relationships, identity, culture… you know, all the things. I’ve learned that my thoughts don’t always land with the people around me — so I’m here to break it all down, talk it out (probably overshare), and maybe find some who don’t think I’m totally crazy after all
Casually Spiraling
Everything's Changing: The Messy Transitions ft. Emily Gee
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Emily's back!! Long-time listeners will remember her as our very first guest ever on episode 8, and so much has changed since then. New career path. Off the market. Full pursuit of new goals and dreams. We're both deep in our own "in-between" eras right now, and this episode is the catch-up we both needed.
We get real about the messy middle of a transitional period, the part nobody shows on the highlight reel, where everything is changing at once and your emotions are a full rollercoaster. We talk about staying connected to who you are when so much is shifting externally, the vulnerability of pursuing something new (hi, Emily's TikTok journey), and yes, she found an actual green flag man in LA, so we had to get into what that shift has been like.
We also get into friendships, balancing a relationship without disappearing on your girls, our wild customer service job stories, and of course, what we're both currently spiraling about.
This one is a long time coming and it did not disappoint.
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Feel like that's my life motto is just like say yes to everything you can because you never know like what room you're gonna be in, who you're gonna meet, what opportunity it's gonna lead to, like speaking of change and that kind of being the theme of today. Like there's so many opportunities for change when you just say yes and like put yourself in the right rooms and meet the right people and yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01What do you have to lose? Right. Nothing nothing.
SPEAKER_00Welcome to Casually Spiraling. With me, Julie Bishop, just a tall girl in this world, trying to make sense of life, dating, money, relationships, identity, culture, you know, all the things. I found that my thoughts don't always land with the people around me. So I'm here to break it all down, talk it out, probably overshare, and maybe find some who don't think I'm totally crazy after all.
Intro
SPEAKER_02Welcome back to Casually Spiraling. Today we have the first ever returning guest on the pod, Miss Emily.
SPEAKER_04Woo! I'm so excited to be here.
SPEAKER_02Thank you for having me back. I was so excited you're back and that you wanted to come back after being on. I was like, I asked you to come on the first time, but you know, for you coming back a second time, hopefully that means good things. It means great things. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03I'm so excited to see you on the journey of creating the pod, and then six months ago when I was on all the way to now, and just I'm so excited to be back for a second episode and hopefully more.
SPEAKER_02Back pitches. Um, so if you haven't listened, she was on episode eight, I want to say. Um, and we talked about being in this like in-between age. We talked about crazy dating stories, we talked about how we met on Bumble BFFs and how we're a success one year later. Yes. Um we are still here.
SPEAKER_04We just celebrated our one-year anniversary.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, in the same spot. Um, yeah, so she's back and we're back to get into more. And I think we have so much to catch up on because so much has changed since. Yeah, I'm excited. Let's do it.
Transitional Periods
SPEAKER_02So much has changed, I feel like, since then. I feel like we're both in a little bit of different places than we were then. Um you're taking on new goals, pursuits, career path, you're off the market, new uh places of LA, all the things. Um and like I was saying before, we talked about this like in-between age, but now I feel like we're both kind of in this in-between era altogether or like phase of life altogether.
SPEAKER_03Yes. I feel like a lot has changed just across the board, like you said. And it's fun to just keep up with each other as things change and kind of check in and be like, where are you at with this? And yeah, kind of just workshop ideas and things like that, especially with our online presences.
SPEAKER_02I know. Scurry, screwy. Uh yeah. So we have uh so much to catch up on with Emily. Um, but I think like to start out, being in this like transitional period where there is a lot of changes and it's a lot of uncertainty, and it's kind of scary and kind of vulnerable, and like very much a roller coaster, like day-to-day, up and downs. And I feel like this part, um, this like transitional period maybe like isn't showcased as much because it's like right before your the success or like the big thing that then people, you know, they show their highlight reel, people know them after, but it's very interesting time the like right before when everything is changing. Um so yeah, I don't know, not as many people talk about it. So, like, how are you handling it like your day-to-day, or how are you feeling?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I think change is always hard, but change signals growth, and change is important for kind of moving into the next chapter of who you are. And so that's kind of been the work that I've been doing and and realizing and talking with my awesome therapist about is just um that change can be a good thing and it doesn't have to be so scary necessarily. Um, some things that I'm doing to like get through the change period is just kind of looking back at times in my life where um one example is like I'm moving, like past examples where I've moved in the past and how that worked out ultimately for the better, or there was just kind of a new doorway that opened by closing another. And while it can be scary, there's sort of like this excitement on the other side. So I've been trying to align more with the excitement of what's through the next door, rather than kind of fixating on it's scary to change something. Yeah. Yeah, and that's been like the main thing helping me through it.
SPEAKER_02I think, especially when you said the move thing, at least when I moved here, I a hundred percent was focusing on, oh well, I've moved before and it worked out, or I grew for the better or learned for the better. So that like really kept me just like excited and less scared when I moved here. Because I was like, I've done it before, I can do it again, and it worked out for the better, and so much good came out of it before. So so much good is gonna come out of it now.
SPEAKER_03Yes, sometimes you need to shake the snow globe of life and just be like, okay, we're comfortable. Like, how can we change this? Let's how can we move it in a different direction? That's how I feel. I just I'm kind of excited by change too, but when I'm on the other side of it, and when you can reflect and be like, oh, this was like the better decision. Yeah. But in the moment, you're kind of like, oh, it's scary, it's scary, it's scary. So I'm trying to be like already to the other side where I am right now, but that's also hard to do.
SPEAKER_02So and it I feel like it changes so much. Like you can have one day where you're like, oh my god, it's so exciting. Like you don't know what's around the corner that can be exciting feeling, and then the next day you're like, What the fuck?
SPEAKER_04Like, why did I do this? Yeah, I'm scared. Why did I put myself in this situation? Yep, yeah, exactly. Mom, pick me up, pick me up, it's scary.
SPEAKER_02Exactly. Um, but I guess like during this, you know, you said you use that to cope. What like keeps you motivated, I guess, to keep pushing and seeing what comes for you.
SPEAKER_03That's such a good question because like I don't really know. I don't know. The idea of possibility. I guess it's like the idea of possible, yeah, it's the idea of possibility, and it's the idea of, you know, as every day, like that I'm going in a different direction, of kind of moving in that, you know, I'm getting older, and there's just only gonna be so much more time to shake things up before you're settled down and you know, in that phase of life. And so I think until I get there, I want to just keep trying new things, being in new places, and um have try to have fun along the way.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Um, I think honestly, like one is aligning with the other side of it and being excited for what can come, but also just kind of the delusional distraction of, you know, like the things that we do together and like the things I do with friends and with my boyfriend and the places I'm traveling to, and yeah, um the videos I'm making, like just kind of just like leaning into being present and doing the things that I'm doing on a day-to-day basis, keeping distracted while also keeping like my trains moving and the directions I'm trying to go. Oh, now as you're moving forward.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And like this definitely is like you're saying, the time to do it.
SPEAKER_03I feel like this is the time to always be changing things up and exploring and seeing what sticks with a person, whatnot, before we're all Yeah, before we have our own house and all of that, like married, and it's just like, yeah, while we're young, while we're still in our 20s, while we can still claim our 20s before we turn 30. Um, yeah, I think it's just like live it up and keep going and shake it up when it needs to be shaken up. Like that's the advice I'm trying to give myself, at least.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. What do you um like wish people understood who are like observing from the outside about this period that they may not get if they're in a different spot?
SPEAKER_03Um, I think that it could just be hard, like when people are going through periods with a lot of change, especially um for me, it's like job, relationships, living situation. Like that's a lot of key pillars of life. And so it can be easy to, you know, feel like, oh, there's no stability. Like, where am I actually stable? Like there's a lot going on. So, like really focusing on the pockets that are stable and like fostering those. And I think it would just people that aren't going through change, it's like hard to see that because like maybe all their ducks are in a row, like they have everything in certain little blocks and pillars and purses.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03I don't know who like it's like that these days, but I think when you're when you just don't have the same perspective or you haven't gone through like change at that amount in a while, or maybe ever, um, it can be hard to like have that perspective. But I think like that's important to share with your friends and like people that are close in your life is kind of just like, hey, this is where I'm at, just so that there's like a shared understanding and POV as you're kind of moving through and navigating, and why you may be more available or less available, or a harder day versus an easier day, or you know, social situation where you would have ordinarily shown up like really excited or whatever, but you're like stressed about something that's life and happening in the moment. So I think it's just good to share perspective with people that you're around so they don't, you know, read the room wrong or like take things firstly when it's like not about them at all. Just being honest and communicating like where you're at. Yeah. I think communication's super important, like in every relationship and especially when you're going through like a big period of change. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Do you think um like these people like your friends and your people that you have and staying connected to that? Is that kind of like how you ground yourself when everything else is changing around you?
SPEAKER_03I think so. I think yeah, I think I like lean a lot into my relationships and lean into my family and my friends and my boyfriend, and just kind of um yeah, like be present in like what that those spaces have to offer and foster those spaces because that feels like the most stable of everything else that's moving is like the relationships you have, and just kind of build that. I mean, like love is amazing and that's what we're all looking for, and there's love in everything, not romantically, but in friendships. And like I think that's another thing too that I've learned a lot online and just seeing on TikTok and stuff. I'm sure you've seen the same thing is like videos where people are talking about, you know, you don't have to find that kind of love in romantically. Like you can have that kind of love in a friendship, or you know, like with you know, I can't think of another example, but I have all I can only think of yeah, with yourself. With myself. I could I'm thinking of friends, but with yourself, like learning to where you can get love if you're single, or um, you know, you're not like in a romantic relationship. So that's yeah, I've been just leaning into those a lot and fostering those.
SPEAKER_02Well, I'm so excited to see what's coming because I just know it's gonna be amazing. And I'm so glad that I get a win witness it and front row see, cheer you on recording, yes, all of it.
SPEAKER_03You've really been along with me through, you've seen so many like moments of change already, but you're actively witnessing like more change. Yeah. So it's exciting to yeah, it's exciting to have like stable pillars that travel with you through like instability.
SPEAKER_02It's my own little reality show I gotta watch.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, what's the update? Love Island! New episode of Love Island every single day. We check in, yeah.
SPEAKER_03We're like every time we check in, we're we hang out, we have like all these updates of where we both are in life and all the tea and everything crazy, but everything awesome too. And it's good to yeah, it's good to go together on the journey.
SPEAKER_02Actually,
Emily's New Tik Tok Journey
SPEAKER_02always. And one exciting thing that's changing or that you're pursuing during this is you're now on TikTok. And you're putting yourself out there, and that's vulnerable, but that's fun. And yeah, what what made you want to start? Uh, and what it what excites you about it?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, well, it is like so much fun, and it's it's so much fun to have friends like yourself that are doing similar things, and when it can be stressful or feel like a lot, can really like lean into those friendships of people that are experiencing the same thing. I've I would say, like, and I think we talked about this on our first episode, that we like grew up, you know, as kind of like these performers, and my dad would always shoot me on the VHS. I think your dad did the same. And I like knew that I always loved sort of like performing in that sense. And I would always ask him to like shoot longer, like, let me do like 10 more dance performances with 10 more outfit changes and whatever. And I think that's always been in the back of my mind. And through college, like I had thought about it and it did it in my own sort of way, but I thought about it even more, like just working in the entertainment industry and working for people that manage talent. And so kind of watching the whole backside of it, just being like, this has always been a passion and an idea. Like, where do I fit into this space? And I had several conversations with friends, you know, years ago, like two years ago or or more, of like what would what would my sort of place be? And like we would kind of ideate on paper, and I just never took action on it. And I think what really cat was like the callus for me was watching friends in such close proximity do things that they were passionate about and one love it, but also start to have like their versions of success and also public versions of success. And I think proximity is so important to like make you believe that you can do something when it's especially close to you. And so when that started happening, I started talking to them like behind the scenes, kind of asking how they were navigating that and what they liked about it and everything. And then at a certain point, I was like, okay, the time is now. Like just like how we talked about everything before with change and everything and our age and like stuff like that, is like the time is now to try it. Yeah, and we had had the similar conversation ourselves, like before you had started the pod and everything exciting. And so I think those conversations like lit a fire in me of if it's not now, what is it gonna be? And and like let's give it a go. Yeah. And I think I'm starting out just really slow and kind of leaning into spaces that feel comfortable and authentic, and the goal is to just get more and more and more vulnerable online and um really build something out of it that aligns with me and like my passions and everything.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I don't think people like realize how scary it can be to be vulnerable in that such public space or in front of a camera like that, or how much of a hustle and a grind and how much you have to really keep up with it it can be because obviously you're just watching like videos on your phone and it looks so easy, but the behind the scenes it's hard and it's a grind and it takes persistence, and it can be scary to be your authentic self and put that out there in front of everyone to see and witness and comment on 100%, and it's like, whoa, and it's like doesn't come natural at first, and it can feel really weird at first to do that, and yeah, I don't know, but then it gets exciting and it can build community. And I well, my personal favorites because you said you worked in entertainment, is she does these glow glow and tell glow and tell. Yeah, glow and tell that's my favorite because she has the inside tea from working in entertainment, so she spills like beauty, skincare, makeup, whatever health products that you know people in the entertainment industry use, and then the city maxing, especially because you're new to LA. That one is very exciting to me because I'm always like wanting to get out there and see new places in your hometown too. Like you don't have to travel outside to like try new things.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, especially when we're in like a city like this and there's so much to offer all the time. Like, I'm always someone that's like I have fear of missing out. Like, I want to just try everything, see it if especially if it's something that like aligns with interest, like any of the like beauty pop-ups or just brand pop-ups, like having done I've like worked in brand marketing and um wanting to see like what brands are doing. Like, we the other day we went to like the Main Street fair and we saw like Supergirl was activating, and it was just cool to see like what different brands are doing. And so I love to just kind of put it online and kind of show my experience, like walking through it, um, doing that with like the World Cup activations and um in the NLA and everything like that. So I'm glad you love it. Yeah, it's fun to make.
SPEAKER_02Those are my favorite. I have like bought things that you've talked about before you love influence. I texted her, I said I ordered it.
SPEAKER_03I'm like, okay, we're in we're in process here. Something is happening, it's working. Yeah, no, I'm I'm so glad to hear that. I think it is fun to share because there's so many things that like I have tried by osmosis, just like working for people who like these are staples in their closet or in their kitchen and they like love it and they can't go a day without it. And it's like that's so fun to like try. And then if it works, like share. And so that's been fun to make those.
SPEAKER_02And there's so many people like influencing products and shit, and it could not be good stuff, but you got the inside, like, yeah, know that it works and have seen the results.
SPEAKER_03Um, so you know it's good stuff, it's good stuff, and it's coming from yours truly uh personal and exec assistant in Hollywood. So not like a makeup artist or anything, just kind of someone who sees like really everything, like an array of every part of you know, the people you work for.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Also, Emily and I, I think we're the face of that uh Main Street fair that we went to. We are uh every single tent asked to take our photos with our project.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, we were walking down and they were like, Can we get a picture of you with our product? And you're like, honestly, like I don't know what went through your head, but my reaction was just to say yes because I was thinking like the back end of like our content, and I was like, I would just want people to be a part of it if we asked. Put our face out there, yeah, and put our face out there, and like I was like, Yeah, why not? Picture, quick picture.
SPEAKER_02I mean, speaking of Love Island, that's how Gail, Gal, I don't know his name, yeah, Love Island. And that one TikTok of a girl went in and was doing that her segment hotter in person, and then the casting director saw that. I saw that. Me and my friends were sending that TikTok around. I knew exactly who that was when he went into the villa. Yeah. Like, no way. I drive by that coffee shop like every day. Yeah. I see literally on my feed on TikTok um LA girls just being like, this guy's hot, come to this place, and may have disgust going there. The girls are doing work, the girls are doing work for the single girls.
SPEAKER_03This is what when you sent me that, I had not seen that segment, and I was like, this is an amazing thing because it is encouraging. I feel like that is encouraging for kind of like away from the dating apps. Like you could beat people in person, and I think these girls are making this content to like encourage that like and it's also giving the place where they found them. Like you can find this person in a coffee shop and a whatever, yeah, right. Like options where you can find these people beyond like the typical bar scene, too. So when you sent me that, I was like, wow, that's a great idea. So shout out to that girl, whoever that creator is.
SPEAKER_02Because his face was out there in a different way, anyway. That's how we got cast. Right. Anyway, not that we're going on Love Island, but not no, but we do watch it every night.
SPEAKER_04We are tuned in. But we are tuned into all the tea.
SPEAKER_02And it's just an example, I guess, of just saying yes to things and you don't know what could come from what.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um, when you put yourself out there.
SPEAKER_03I feel like that's my life motto is just like say yes to everything you can because you never know like what room you're gonna be in, who you're gonna meet, what opportunity it's gonna lead to. Like, speaking of change and that kind of being the theme of today, like there's so many opportunities for change when you just say yes and like put yourself in the right rooms and meet the right people.
SPEAKER_01And yeah, what do you got to lose? Right. Nothing.
SPEAKER_02Um I know we have vented about things like this before, but when you're pursuing TikTok and videos and putting yourself out there, what have been like the biggest challenges, maybe the most surprising challenges of pursuing that?
SPEAKER_03I mean, I think it's very vulnerable to put yourself on camera and then post it, you know, no matter what. If you're speaking, not speaking, it really doesn't matter. Um for me, I do a lot of shooting like in public spaces, and I definitely get in my head about that. Yeah, I'm like, oh, people are looking like fear of judgment, like just to be very vulnerable, like fear of judgment is a real thing. And I think that some of the sort of reframes I've been doing is just kind of to try to like a tool, I guess, to say, is like when I'm shooting in a public setting, I try to think of like whoever's shooting me as my family, and like that's who I feel like the most comfortable with, and like I've that's like who shot me growing up, and I think I'll try to just kind of drop into that feeling and then channel that and then just like try to kind of generate confidence that way if it's not already there. Um, but I think a challenge would for sure be like just the vulnerability and trying to kind of like navigate through those hurdles of yeah, wherever you're shooting, like publicly. And I mean it's a lot a lot easier to shoot in your room, and then when you go outside, it's like it's a lot harder.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I think we're like definitely different.
SPEAKER_03People do watch, like you can't help but to watch like when someone's shooting, and I mean, I've watched other people, and I think it's just like not everyone is thinking a bad thing, and so just kind of reminding yourself that and also trying to like like it's a work in progress for me, but to try to sort of take the attachment off of like whatever other. People's opinions are and just focus on what I'm trying to create, and that that's like meaningful to me. And it's fun to make. Like, as there's so much editing and work that we talk about all the time that we put into the crafts that we're making, single video. But it's always worth it because like it's fun to do, it's fun to make. It's it's like channeling a creative part of me that I've wanted to express for so long and have just had I don't know, just like not made it a priority or have had fear of doing it. And so it's fun to step into it now and channel like that energy around it.
SPEAKER_02I was gonna ask, like, what is the most fun part, but it probably the answer is the creativity, I think. Yeah for both of us, maybe, but there is so many other aspects too, like it's community building, like adventure. Because you're filming these videos, you're probably trying new things because you're making the videos. Um, like there's a lot of potential that can come out of creating the videos, but yeah, creativity. And yeah, when you get excited too about like a new idea that you have and you're like, oh, I want to do that and I want to make it good. I don't know. I have the most fun with that, at least I think. Um I love it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I love too when like friends or family or like roommates are like, oh, I saw that, and then like they kind of talk to you about it too, and just like to know that your network is also enjoying it, like that's kind of like the most important is the people that you love are loving it too, or you know, are watching. Like, that's exciting.
SPEAKER_02I mean, if your friends are not liking and commenting, then are they your real friends?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, what's going on, guys? Come on. I'm just kidding. It's hard.
SPEAKER_02Um, like during this process, have you found any like tips or tricks that um you know help you make your best videos?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I mean, I definitely like it starts with a good equipment setup. Like we've talked about this. I before owned tiny mics that were not as good at like capturing audio in like loud spaces, better for like rooms where there weren't a lot of people. And when we I remember we took the mics out, I'd like we were like, oh, these could use an upgrade. And so when I've since I've upgraded, like having better mini mics, like having a great setup stand, like awesome light, awesome tripod, all of that, super helpful, like just having the basics. And it sounds so silly, but it's like you have to have basics to begin. Um, and I think beyond that is just um, like I said, like the the competence thing, um, like just kind of like generating competence to like be able to exude the energy that I want to exude on camera when I'm shooting. Um, but yeah, in terms of like tips and tricks, I think on TikTok I've noticed like the algorithm responds when you are engaged online, like when you're interacting, when you're actually like um I'm just gonna say customer, but when you're like somebody who's actually using the same platform. Like when you're using the platform and you're not just going on posting and leaving the app, like I don't think it rewards that, but it rewards like when you're engaged and interacting with other content, um, which is something like we ordinarily do anyway. Like we're ordinarily always online, like that's why we are also posting. Yeah. Um, but I think I've just noticed like the more I interact, the more I get back. So it kind of like, is this it makes sense in my head, but it's also like it's just a little bit more work, I guess, or like a cognizant you're being more cognizant of what you're doing when you're doing it. Um, but I have noticed that. And I've noticed like, of course, the things of like using trending audios and um stuff. But I will say, I think that the things that land better are not necessarily like the kitschy trends, but more like the what you're when you're showing really who you are. Like that goes much further with the audience.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I feel like whenever I talk about something that actually means something to me and I have personal experience with or personally feel a type of way about versus talking about something that's just in the zeitgeist or what everyone's talking about, I'm like, okay, let me comment on it. Like, huge difference. And even how I act in that video, I guess like my com not that I'm acting, but my confidence, like you're saying, is just more true to me than when I'm speaking from real personal experience and thoughts, than just being like, okay, this is what everyone's talking about. Let me comment on it and just say something to be in the in the works. And I think that it comes across.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I think it does 100%. I think it's always like fun to throw a comment out. If it's something that's like really I've I've had like some of my comments, I've had like more likes than some of my videos, like on other people's posts. Like it's like it's just like kind of fun to just get engaged with like the spaces that you're already naturally in, especially if you have like a opinion that will probably resonate with a larger audience too.
SPEAKER_02Nothing like the comment that told me I needed to show more feet in my videos. That was crazy, by the way. That was crazy. Dogs are covered right now. That might be a side business.
SPEAKER_04Dogs are covered right now.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that might not be for the casually spiraling audience. But hey, we'll take the side business.
SPEAKER_04Hey, we'll take suggestions.
SPEAKER_03Listen, what's working for you people?
SPEAKER_04You know, let us know.
SPEAKER_02We love it. We love it. Um, do you have any advice that does not involve feet for someone else pursuing or maybe who is scared to just start and jump in?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I think honestly, like there's no time like the present. Everyone's gonna tell you that online. And for me, like I like I said, I had had these conversations years ago, never acted on it. And I think like there's always a time where you naturally start and you're like, well, that was when I was ready. And that makes sense. But I think if it's a thought and you're you're actively it's like a daily thing that's crossing your mind when you scroll. Oh, like, should I post this? Should I, you know, there's space for everyone. I think that's another thing, too, is people think the market is so congested and there's like someone talking about every single thing that could ever be online. And I don't think that that's true. I think there's space, like niche pockets where everyone can find their place. So and just like not having imposter syndrome, like if it is something that you want to do, give it a try. You know, make a video, and even if you don't post it, have it in your drafts or in your photo album and re try it again later. And if you're just like, yeah, this feels uncomfortable, then don't do it. But if it feels exciting, like see it through.
SPEAKER_02And you gotta start somewhere. I think everyone who you see is successful now, they're probably embarrassed at first. You have to everyone started from zero and was put like feeling embarrassed or whatever, but look it up now and the life they live now. Sorry. The money they're making and whatever, the career that they have. So everyone's gonna be like, if anyone has anything to say or judgment, like they're gonna be laughing or rolling over when it pops off.
SPEAKER_03Everyone and everyone has that story. Unless you're netboated and like you are starting with nothing and you're building your own audience. So yeah, I've heard those stories. I know you've heard those stories like with other people that we admire, like on podcasts and stuff, talking about their journey and they how they came up in the content space. Like everyone starts with where you know there's maybe nothing going on. Yeah, and then it's like all of a sudden, and it can happen overnight to some of these people, by the way. Oh my gosh, you know. It can happen to you, me, whatever, whoever. Like overnight something could happen. And it's just like that's it.
SPEAKER_02You never know.
SPEAKER_03Next day's a different day.
SPEAKER_02No, yeah. I love it. I love it.
The Changes from Being Single to In a Relationship
SPEAKER_02Well, one other big change that has come into your life is Emily has done the impossible. The impossible thing that you're not even gonna believe me when I tell you, you're gonna think I'm lying. But I swear it's true. The most impossible thing ever. You found a green flag man in Los Angeles, California, which is crazy.
SPEAKER_04Um it could be it's an impossible feat. Yeah. It could feel like an impossible feat. How does it feel to be the one woman to accomplish this?
SPEAKER_03I'm so glad you asked. I mean, it feels great. I had been single for a while, and so it feels like great to be in a relationship and to have somebody that um, you know, like checks these boxes that I had been waiting for. So yeah, I think there's definitely a period of my life where I was like, does this exist? Does this exist? But where are they? I know you've talked about that on the spot. Um, and yeah, it's definitely been a great change. Uh it's been like, it was scary at first, like to go from being single to being in a relationship. Like it's you're a completely 180 in terms of um the day-to-day and like factoring in someone else again. And I'd been in relationships obviously before, but you kind of forget in the in-between periods of what it's like on a day-to-day basis. But I think it's all exciting change as well. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Oh my gosh, new job, new man. But yeah, we definitely talked about that on one of our um walks recently, how we both had been single for a little bit. And it is a big difference going from being someone who is so independent to now you gotta consider a whole ass other human, like in your decisions and in your day-to-day, which I have not done in a very long time.
SPEAKER_03Uh especially when you're in like a different period of your own life too. Like when you're in a different era, different season, and now like someone else is kind of in the like it's a it's a constant consideration of someone else being a part of your life.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Uh especially like in a romantic partnership. Um, but I think that that it there's so much awesome to come from it. Yeah. And like I've been really leaning into like the exciting parts of being in a relationship too, and like remembering those aspects and um fostering those too, and and just kind of like leaning in. That's like one of the things we talked about at the beginning, like leaning into the things that are growing and fostering the things that do feel stable, like while there's so much change around it. And so that's been something that I've been leaning into. We've done travel and we've got to do a lot of awesome experiences together, and um, you know, the meeting of the families and the merging of the friend groups. Uh, we're about to do a big friend group trip that with we are doing, and my boyfriend and his friends will be on, and um, all my friends too, and you'll be there, and it's exciting.
SPEAKER_02Fourth 26th, we'll never be the same. It's exciting.
SPEAKER_04It's exciting.
SPEAKER_02I'm so excited. It's been so fun, and yeah, I just love it. And I love, yeah, it's exciting. Because, like you said, love is the best, and it's a very good change. So I'm glad it's working out.
SPEAKER_03It's fun to be loved and to love someone, and I think that that's something you miss when you're single, is like you kind of forget. I got so much love to give. You got so much love to give. I swear. You got you got more love to give beyond your own network right now. No, like what the hell? I mean, it's fun. It's fun to like, you know, do dates and get flowers and like cuddle and watch shows and go to the movies and like things that you did before alone, or things maybe you didn't do that you can do now. Okay.
SPEAKER_04I'm tired of hearing about it now. Next topic. Anyways, why was that a topic anyway?
SPEAKER_03I was kidding. No, but I think one thing that it has been really funny, I'll share like a funny little tidbit, is I played soccer for 15 years and we've been watching a lot of World Cup. Like, he's obsessed with the World Cup. We've gone to a game, it's fun, it's exciting. I'm watching two, but I'm not watching every game. He's watching like every game, but I'm watching every episode of Love Island. So we'll be together, like winding down, and he'll like have his laptop with World Cup on, and I'll have mine with Love Island. But like we're together, but we're just like watching our own things. Yeah. Obviously, we watch movies together and stuff. But like right now with the World Cup and Love Island, it's kind of a fun observation to be um, you know, like like you said, considering someone else, it's like, well, we both want to watch those things, but you know, maybe we don't want to watch as much as the other person, but we can watch next to each other. That's so true.
SPEAKER_02If I had someone right now, would they just be in the way of me coming home every single night and putting on Love Island? Um, they have to watch. They must.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, he's watched a little bit with me. Yeah, but you know, it's more of a girl thing.
SPEAKER_02We'll go to bars to watch the World Cup games, we'll go to bars to watch the game. Watch Love Island. It's popping off this summer. Yeah. In all the ways. Um, but I just love that, and I appreciate uh even now with your new relationship, that is so exciting. Um, you still are someone who like make time for your friends, and like it's I love like spending time with your boyfriend as well. Um, but I feel like you also like make sure to spend time like just with your girls or just with your friends. Like you are good at balancing both. Versus I feel like a lot of people once they get a boyfriend or into a relationship, you either never see them again or you never see them without their partner ever again. That's true. And you've just been so good, and not into like you're still there and like down to like not even I'm not even saying like go out and drink or whatever, but like just do things instead of just like staying home with a partner all day. Because some people do that, but like yeah, you're still down like to get out there, and like I'm single, so I like like still being out in the world and like I don't know. Some some I just witnessed um not my friends on my own. My friends seem to be really good at this, like you, um, my other Emily. I haven't even met her boyfriend yet because every time we see each other, we're like, but we want to hang out. I know you said that. Yeah. And then my friend Ange, who's married now. Every time I go home, it's like we go out and do something together, us too. Same with Meg, she's a boyfriend, but it's like when you're around your friends, um, I think it's important to still have, you know, your separate lives and your girl time, and then also at other points, like bring everyone together. Um, so is it something that you are intentional about or just comes naturally and didn't even think about it?
SPEAKER_03I mean, I'm glad I'm glad that you are like giving me the compliment. I think it's it's tough. It's tough, it's tough to do because you I like I'm really trying to do it better this time because I think in the past I've like kind of been more wrapped up in the relationship. And so I think this time I'm trying to be more cognizant of like my friends, but also his friends, and then moments where we can all come together. Yeah. And I think that that's important is um to like look for the areas to bring everyone together, but also find the pockets of like keeping your relationships going. Um, and I think yeah, I I definitely have had friends, like you said, that have you know gotten into a relationship and then that's kind of it. You see them every four months or not really at all. Or just once they break up and then you hear from them again. You hear from them again. Yeah, and it's like tough to lose, it's tough to like lose those people. And I think in the past I've it's been hard for me to process that change because um it's hard to not take it personally or try to understand, you know, why things can't be balanced. So I think I've also I'm coming from that pr point of view of I know what it's like to be single while my friends have gotten into relationships, and then I don't want to leave my friends feeling like that now that I'm in one. So I think also like my point of view when I was single is informing how I want to move now. Yeah. And so I'm doing my best. I don't think I'm perfect at it, but I think I'm trying my best. You're doing great. That's my app the best that we can do. But it is really fun. Like um, we're both very social and we both like have friend groups and we both want to be doing things. And so that kind of allows for more of a runway to do things like what you're talking about. Um, where I think like a different situation, it just wouldn't come as organically. So I think there's more, definitely more opportunities like with my situation to to make it happen. Yeah, you know, but it's definitely tough because there's more, there's so much in a week, like between friends and boyfriend and like job and tasks and like regular, you know, yeah, workouts, like the content we're shooting, everything. So it's hard to balance, but like if someone has the answer, send it my way on like the perfect way to balance everything. Yeah. But in until we figure it out, we're just figuring it out and trying our best. Well, you're doing good.
SPEAKER_02Because yeah, not like we're in school anymore where um we haven't been for a minute, but where um like you would see your friends in class or whatever. So it's your friend time, then you see your boyfriend after. I don't know.
SPEAKER_03It is a lot more to balance when everyone is everywhere and we all have work and we all have lives and especially in LA, we're so like we both live in the same part of town, but we're still like 15 to 20 minutes apart because of traffic and like just the way the city's configured. So it's also hard when, like you said, to your point, when we were in school, like maybe your neighbor was your personality. Right there, yeah. But now you know you can't walk across the street and hang. Like you gotta like plan it out. Like everyone, you know, make sure there's a pocket in each other's schedules, like drive to each other. Like, there's there's so many more things as an adult to factor into making things happen. So yeah, behind every relationship is work. But you know, when you put in the work, then you reap the reward.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and it takes a lot more work. I know we had that uh one week. I think we were about both about to go out of town and we were trying to see each other before we're going out of town. We're like, okay, are you free between this hour and this hour and this day? No, but I have this hour free.
SPEAKER_04Exactly.
SPEAKER_03There was like one day where I completely was like, what day is that? I thought it was one day, and then we like ended up, we still ended up hanging out, but it was a few hours later. It's just like you're everyone's schedules like we need a shared calendar, but then I'm not putting stuff on a shared calendar.
unknownNo, no.
SPEAKER_03Like that's too much. One of my one of my good friends actually has a calendar where he's like, send me whenever you're in town, like, send me the calendar invite to my work calendar, and I'll make it a personal thing. And I'm like, what? You're that busy, you need me to send you an actual calendar invite. But like, I'll do it because I want to see him when I'm in town. So it's just funny. It's funny it different things work for different people, like find what works for you. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02That's so real. Um, but yeah, I did an episode recently, kind of transitioning into friendships and talking about friendships, about how I've been witnessing a lot of people, you know, being kind of lazy in friendships. Um, it seemed to be a bit of an epidemic of people just being lazy, not as intentional, not as considerate. Um, and I feel like you reached out during that or like had similar viewpoints, or I know we talk about like wanting to meet more people that we're like closer with instead of just having like casual acquaintance, like friends. Um Yeah. So yeah, do you have any hot takes on friendships?
SPEAKER_03Girl, here we go again with the friendships, dude. It is so hard to make friends when you are in your late 20s, and I don't want to admit that on camera, but we are in our late 20s.
SPEAKER_02I someone was really shocked when I said it. My coworker was like, you're 23, and I was like, Oh, babe.
SPEAKER_03I would run for the hills with that. I would run for the hills with that. Thank you for that compliment.
SPEAKER_02But I am 28.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Um, it is much harder to uh it's much harder to make friends. I I think some things that Julie and I have we've been talking about is like again, it's like putting yourself in situations where you could meet people. Like we met on Bumble BFF, but there's these other things that we've been kind of ideating lately of like girl groups. And if someone started a walk club, I will not be in a run club after running 90-minute soccer games for 15 years my entire life and practices, but I will do a walk club, like I'll do a girls' walk club, I'll do a girls' beach club, like kind of more leaning into more spaces where I kind of like when you're single and you're trying to like think of ways to meet guys in different ways. I think there's ways to meet friends in different ways. Yeah. And I think something that we should definitely try that we haven't tried yet. I've tried, I've done in different cities is like these girl groups where it's like specifically a group of girls in their 20s that are intentionally meeting up through social media. Um, and again, like you never know who you can meet in those rooms. And it's just basically like a big mingle, like a big uh, what's it called? Like what are those like oh like meetups, like those like a meetup thing. Um and yeah, like I think those are things we should do. I think we should try that. And that would be my advice is just kind of looking for things in your city that are a little outside of the ordinary. Yeah. And there's ways to do it in person, there's ways to do it with apps, like depending on if your city's big, small, whatever. We've we've we we proved that the app can work. Now let's go prove that the in person can work. So that's kind of where I'm at. It's just like testing things until something works.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And stick into the ones that stick. Um there was a walking group in Atlanta that I met people from, like not a run club, but literally we would meet up and walk. And I met people through there that then I ended up meeting people through them that then became my friends in Atlanta. So yeah. I did it didn't like directly work, but indirectly. Indirectly worked, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that was fun. But I think it's worth a shot. Very cool. Um,
Customer Service Stories
SPEAKER_02so before this transitional period and period that we're in now of pursuing our passions, we both I still currently do, but worked in um restaurants and customer service jobs and all that. And they're definitely quite a crazy experience. I think we talked about how you definitely know when someone has worked one of those jobs and once some someone has never worked one of those jobs, it can tell, it can shape a person in a lot of ways. Um, but yeah, I just wanted to hear. I did a whole episode on crazy stories from customer service days. I have even more than I shared in the episode. Um yeah, I want to hear do you have any tea, any crazy stories um from your times back in those days? Oh my gosh, so many.
SPEAKER_03Tell me. I think it takes a very like specific person to work in restaurant. And I think restaurant can really shape you. Like it can give you so much life experience. One of my original managers, so I've worked not currently, but I worked like five years on and off in fine dining. Like always steakhouses. One of my managers told me that you create, you do so much micro skill building, like in a restaurant. Like you just you don't even realize all these things that you're microbuilding, like between table to table, conversation to conversation. And I guess I never really understood it until I got into my career and then realized how well prepared I was to like leave college, go into my first job, having had all my restaurant experience, and just the ability to like be able to talk to anyone about anything to um entertain people, like to multitask. Yeah, there's sales, there's multitasking. There's so many skills that like naturally and organically like lend a hand into your actual career and really anything in life, even relationships. Yeah. Um, but there's also so much craziness with restaurants, like just as much as amazingness there is, there's so much craziness. So much goes on behind the scenes, so much goes on in front of the scenes. Like it's gone behind and in front of the scenes. And like, let's just say one of the places I worked at, one of my good friends and I have a shared note, and there's at least like 40 stories on there that we were just like, we should just make a shared note of all the stuff that happened in the time we were working there. Yeah. And one day we made it and we just started writing, writing, writing it all out. And we were at the beach with our friends and we told them a bunch of the stories, and we honestly should have recorded that whole entire day because our friends' reactions were just hilarious. Um, and obviously want to hear your stories too. I really think everyone that's worked in restaurant, like food and beverage restaurant, it doesn't matter anything customer service facing, but specifically food and beverage has a story. Like you have a story. Yeah, there is front of house, back of house, yeah, something has happened.
SPEAKER_02Where every day I was coming home and being like, you'll never guess what happened today. Yes. Almost every single day.
SPEAKER_03Yes. My when I was living at home, like my family would be waiting for a story. Like just like how you wait for like a Love Island episode. They'd be like, what happened tonight?
SPEAKER_04Like we're ready, like conceded. And the entertainment part of me loved to come home and be like, guess what? I would be taking on my taking on my best.
SPEAKER_03Like, I would be like, Okay, this is what happened. Like, get ready, sit down, buckle in. And that was just such a fun thing to share because I always thought, like, there's oh, there's no way I could up the ante on this one. Like, there's no way I could up the stakes. Boom, next day, new story. Yeah. And you're leaving like nightly with a new story. Like, if you're not leaving with a story, it was like a bad night. Yeah. It was a baseline, it was a baseline criteria of working in a restaurant.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Um, for me, I have so many, but one that sort of sits at the top is um was working at a restaurant, and um, I believe this was just a group of people. I wasn't there, but one of my good friends went. And there was like a group of four to five people that when you're in restaurant, and we've talked about this, you're getting off so late. Like your shifts could be 11 hours. You're like coming in midday, like early afternoon, leaving at like 11 when the restaurant closes or midnight. You're getting home late. A lot of your friends could be your coworkers, and you could be leaving and doing things with them, like going to the bar, going to whatever. For us, we did a lot of like karaoke at the bar, or we would go like to events in the town, or whatever things like this. Um, and this night, like five people left the restaurant. It was very late. Someone decided to go to one of our coworkers' apartment buildings. And I think apart most apartments, like the curfew for using like that pool and a hot tub is like 10 p.m. Yeah, it was definitely like 11 or midnight, and they're all, you know, adrenaline's pumping after the shift, alcohol's most likely flowing, and they all decide they want to go in the hot tub, but no one has a bathing suit. And whoever's place it was like we didn't have a yeah, what do we do with this hot tub and no bathing suit? And they all go in and they're skinny dipping, and it's like near midnight, and um, someone in the apartment calls the cops and was bothered by the noise, like noise complaint. Cops come do a routine check, show up. All of them are in the hot tub. It's like five people in the hot tub that I worked with. Oh no. And what's below the water, but nothing. Coochies, nothing is on. Um, and the cops are like, someone needs to get out, like, we need to talk to you. And so, like, my friend gets out, and he's a guy, so he's like respect, like trying to respect the girls that were there, and um got out and just kind of covered up what you can with your hands and kind of talked to the cops, and the cops are like, Yeah, no, you guys all need to get out, like whatever, and they didn't have like towels and I think, so they all get out. And um, I think you know, some things that were borderline sexual harassment, if not full blown, were occurring in the hot tub. Not I I don't know the exact story, I don't think physically, but I think just like comments and things like that. Yeah, this is important for later in the story. So, anyways, cut to the next night or week when a few of them have the same shift and they're in the restaurant, and one of the girls is like serving the her section. And and one of the guys that went, because you know, when you're in restaurant, like the age range spans from like 18, because you could serve without being of age, alcohol being of age, to like 40s, 50s, 60s, because you're making so much money at some of these establishments, it can become like a full-time job. And so this this hot tub was of all age ranges, and the guy I think was like, you know, well, maybe our parents' age, I don't know. And he was like walking through her section while she was serving, and he literally goes like up to her in earshot of her tables and is like, damn, insert name. I didn't know that you were like, I didn't know that you had those big old days. And she was like, like, I'm just laughing at the delivery. Obviously, like this is an intrusive thought that should not have happened. Sure. At all.
SPEAKER_02Could be any other time. Any other time. Did you must say this thought?
SPEAKER_03But maybe not at all, but yeah, certainly not in front of the tables. Either way, it's sexual harassment. Yeah. Um, no matter who hears it and especially telling it to her. I think he just thought, because like they were all friends, and like I was friends with her, that like it was like fine to say. Like he thought, oh, we're friends, like it's not like sexual, it's just like a compliment, and it certainly was not a compliment. Like, that's super crazy, like letting an intrusive thought win like that in front of tables at just at all, really, period. Um, and so then yeah, like no tolerance policy, management fired him, and like that was it. But the thing is, is like these people like just move to the next restaurant. Yeah. Because they because they're not that they're not really like checking that. I feel like when they hire, no, um, you'll just eventually reveal your cards that you know you're an alcoholic or you it'll sexually harass, whatever, and then it will happen again and whatever. But um, but yeah, like that was just something really crazy. It's like, dude, like that was a private hangout, like that's a private comment, or not at all. So I'm like, I just don't know what goes through the heads of some people. Um, but yeah, that's one of the more wild ones. My god, that's insane.
SPEAKER_02I haven't had that kind of crazy stuff. I had more like guest and customer, a lot of crazy stuff. I mean, the employees of every place I worked at. There's all dating, there's all sneaky sneaky stuff going on. It's so funny seeing knowing someone's real life persona and then seeing their customer service persona and seeing that switch. That can be very entertaining.
SPEAKER_03Um at your table. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Like you have to be like, you know, oop, like no matter what day you're having, like, you gotta show up and show out. Yeah, put that face on. So I've always find that so entertaining. Or if I meet someone in a work environment first and then learning like who they actually are, the vice versa, it's like, oh, okay, I see you. Um, but yeah, I one that I don't think I shared on my episode would be back in the Starbucks days. And I know I talked about my fingers getting slammed in the door, hot water being thrown, spit on, coworker out of the city. Craziness, by the way. All that kind of craziness. Um, but one I don't think I shared was um, so this gentleman came in and was yelling at us to use the bathroom because in LA bathrooms are locked up for customers only, right? And has like a little keypad. He's asking my store manager was there at the time, and is like, I gotta use the bathroom, I gotta use the bathroom. She's like, it's for customers only, like, gotta make a purchase or whatever. He's just starts screaming, I've got to shit right now.
SPEAKER_04That's wild. You've got to go. You're a key for going.
SPEAKER_02What time of day was this? I was I opened that day and I was about to clock off, so it had to be around like noon, like midday. Okay, and people are like in there for like lunch break. It was a lunch, a place around a bunch of offices. So everyone came in during the lunch rush. Bright day, bright, bright sun shining. This is not after hours.
SPEAKER_03This is not 5 a.m. or like about to close.
SPEAKER_02This is like prime mid day. People are there, and he's screaming in the middle of the lobby that he has to shit. So my manager lets him use the restroom. Just like no discernment for yeah, anyone else. But anyone else. He was like pissed off, of course. Um, not of course, but like that's the type of person he was, and like calling names and all this kind of stuff. And he walks out of the restroom and is walking towards the door, and I see something drop onto the floor as he's walking out. And I go, my jaw drops. I say, that is not what I think that is. I said, What are the chances? I just clocked out. Did you? I was just clocking out, and I'm like, not my problem. Yeah. So I turned, well, I turned to my store manager. Not today. The shift supervisor that was clocking in. I was like, oh dang, what a shame. I've clocked out. I think there's shit in the lobby. I gotta go. Bye. Like, literally, this man took with him from the restroom, brought some out to place in our lobby because he was so mad and insane, and dropped it in the middle of the lobby and kept walking. So it was not an accidental job. No, I think it was it was very intentional. Either way, it's horrible. And yeah, I I just wait, and that's like I was like looking at the lobby, I was like, Do you guys have to like evacuate the premises for that? That kind of stuff. I think they call a biochem like a different person to come in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we don't have to, but either way, I would be like, yeah, I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_03But also like not be eating there anymore.
SPEAKER_02I've talked about like how horrible Starbucks reaching their employees. I'm sure they just made the employees clean that shit up, but they're supposed to call a biohazard kind of situation. Yeah. Um, I don't know how they handled it because I said, Oh my god, I'm clocked out. Look, I gotta go. My shift is appointment. Oh my god. Yeah. Um, I don't want to break any labor laws and clock back in. That's insane. Yeah, I love it. Yep, that was one I don't think I share. That's enough for me to get my resignation. Yeah. Thank you, and that will be all. That was enough. Thank you. I was so blessed when I got laid off. So blessed. Um I've had enough of this. Yeah. In a different uh previous restaurant job that I worked at. I've had like the craziness also, people just act in a different way, crazy. Um, you know what's bad when I feel like there's a man's, like either girlfriend or wife stepping over and apologizing to me separately. That's when you know it's bad. That has happened multiple times where the woman will come over and be like, I'm so sorry for him. That's when you know they ain't acting right. But this man was like thinking he's so everyone thinks they're so famous, and you're not um thinking he was such a hot shot and being like, when I go to other places, they don't make me wait. They didn't know me and this and that. I'm like, okay, he's he was from like Arizona or something. He was here out of town. Like, go back to Arizona, then I don't give a fuck about you. Like, our wait time is an hour and a half, and that's not even bad for a 7 p.m. like timing that you're walking in at. So you are going to wait. And what I sat him exactly on that hour and a half mark, exactly as he was quoted. And he the whole time he was like huffing and puffing as he waited. Men do. They did wait it out. And they sat down and ate, and then when they got up, that's when the wife apologized to me, and then he came up to me after they were with their kids too, and was like, What was your name or whatever? Um, and introduced him, said his name, and it's like, you're never gonna wait, make me wait again like that, are you? Look me right in my eyes, sir. Yeah, I am. Yeah, yeah, I am. You're not above. And especially I think too in restaurant, like being a woman, if you're like a the person up front, like a lot of the men don't take you seriously or like don't take your word for like if you have to like say a rule or whatever, at least for me, they don't. And I'll be like, I can get a manager. They're like, Oh, you're gonna ask a manager? I'm like, no, the manager's gonna say the same thing. I'm just gonna get one because you won't accept it out of my mouth. From me, right? I literally assume it's a good one. You need like authority person to say it. If you won't, I this has happened before previously, where I'm like, okay, well, if you want to accept it from my mouth, you can accept it from my manager's mouth, and they say the same exact shit and then they're out of there, and I'm like, they just don't want to accept it from a pretty girl's mouth.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Period. Period. Period. Oh that's a great reframe. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Exactly. They're like, you're too pretty to be laying down the law. Yeah. I can do both. Well, it is my job. Yeah. Um, but yeah, there's always insane saying days that I never believe. But like you said, you've learned a lot or you've been in interviews, I think, and like people are impressed when you've done certain jobs like that for a certain amount of time. Um, so what kind of like skills do you think you've taken away that you now imply or you just have grown from or use yeah, I think that's not in that environment.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I think it I think that there's so many of us, like it's so crazy to me when you graduate college and you're applying for jobs, and the jobs you're applying to want you to have all this experience that's impossible to have when it's your first job. It's almost like, here's your first job now, tell us what your other five were before this. It's like, well, this is my first one, like you know what I mean. And in order to get a job, you need experience, but you can't experience without having experience. Yeah, exactly. And that always like I never understood that. Um, so I leaned into like my internships, and then I also leaned in a lot to like all of the restaurant experience that I had. Yeah. And I think never be afraid or ashamed to include that experience because it's so important to communicate that you have worked in these jobs, and anyone who's anyone that's hiring for any job knows or has worked it or knows what it's like, or knows people that they've hired that have worked in it, that customer service-basing jobs like build character in someone that you would want on your team. Like you would want someone who is quick on their feet, like that's a skill, like can solve problems in real time, can communicate tough news to someone, but then give them a great solution. Like you're the middleman as a server, you have to deal with people's frustrations. The cook may have cooked the thing wrong, but you have to deal with it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you have to deal with all different types of people just like any job as a CEO, you know, any job to handle personalities. When things go wrong, when things go right, and keep it professional as you do it in the moment.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, keep it professional. Like you said, handle people's frustrations, handle people's, you know, whatever. Like all these circumstances could come up. And I think when you have multiple tables or multiple guests, um, something that's in almost every job description that I've seen or it's come up in interviews, at least one or the other, is like the ability to multitask, to think ahead, to anticipate needs, to um, yeah, problem solve, to, you know, just basically be organized. Like all of these things come up when you're, for me, like serving tables. Like, how do you know what table needs what and when they need it? That's multitasking, that's organization, that's prioritization, that's like breaking things down, getting timing perfectly right, knowing people when they need it, what they need, when they need it, before they need it, what's the next course, what are they gonna need for that? So these are all transferable skills that you can highlight to employers that it doesn't need to just be like, oh, I worked at restaurant and that's it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Never play it down. Always play it up because there's so many things that I've had people hire me or I've gotten far in interview processes, and something they've told me is like, I love my my customer experience people. I love my restaurants people because they or I love my restaurant people because they know what like they know what these things are like, they know how to do these things in real time, and there's just like that certain personality. So all that to say, like it plays so much into your career. Yeah, it's a great experience to get in high school and college. You make great money, first off.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Um, and yeah, I think an employer is always gonna respect that. And have I have my resume built now and I still bring it up in interviews because it's important no matter where you are, how many years ago you did it, like it doesn't matter. I think there's always a place for it in the conversation. Obviously, just pick and choose when to bring it up.
SPEAKER_02But yeah. I've been at interviews and they've been like, you've survived four years at Starbucks. You can survive.
SPEAKER_04You can survive anything. Yeah, you can survive this. You can survive anything. It builds warriors. Yeah, literally warriors.
SPEAKER_02Literally, a major thing I learned was like in that vein of people sometimes don't want to respect you, is like that balance of making sure you're respected, know how you should be treated, and and handle it in a professional way. Like make sure you are not getting walked on, but you have to know your rights always. You have to know what is right or wrong when you are an employee, because managers and other people can take very much advantage of people who don't. And so it's something that I've always learned and like have taught to any new people that come onto jobs that I've worked on and be like, know what's right or wrong, know what you can stand up for yourself on and how to in the most and best way that keeps you respected without getting fired, and make sure you don't take shit from just anyone and know your place.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Never take shit from anyone. No, and know, like you said, yeah, know your your rights. Yeah. Um, when you're dealing with, especially when you're dealing with like customers that are start like your story, like starting to get a little crazy.
SPEAKER_02Um know what you can put up with, what you should put up with and not, because customers aren't always right. So and managers aren't. I know some managers at Starbucks probably didn't appreciate this for me, but new baristas would come on and definitely take advantage of them. And I would be like, you don't have to say yes to that, like that's not in your job description, or like you can, like if they're asking you to work extra or whatever on your day off, like you can say yes if it's helpful and you want to, but some people feel the pressure of always having to say yes. So it's like knowing what what your job is, what your job description is, what you have to say yes to, what you don't, and I would always inform the other people be like, don't let anyone walk all over you.
SPEAKER_03No, absolutely. Nowhere you're at. Absolutely not. Nowhere at. I think this, like, my kind final kind of point is just like this is such a great job to have. I truly believe like this is a great job to do before you get into your career. Like, I would recommend it to anyone. I would do it again. Like that's just where I'm I think major green flag. It's a great yeah, it's a green flag, it's a great resume builder. 100% recommend great stories come from that crazy story.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, you will have do it for the plot, honestly. If nothing else, you'll have so many stories. For the plot and for that chat at the end of the night. Yay!
SPEAKER_02Oh my god, money coming back every time at the end of the night. I get it. All that money.
SPEAKER_03I get it. I get the people that stay. Yeah. It's just you make great money and you have fun.
SPEAKER_02I love it.
Our Current Spirals
SPEAKER_02Well, I'm so glad you came back on. Of course, we gotta end it as I end with all my guests on what have you been spiral about recently? Something small, big, whatever it may be. Do you have a recent spiral? Let's see. Besides it can be Love Island. That's an obvious one.
SPEAKER_03Honestly, like I think my spirals, I'll say two. One fun, one fun, one real. Real is just kind of what our topic has been today. Like just all of the change going on. Um, I think, you know, I'm trying to be in the more positive side of it and the exciting and like the what's on the other side of the mountain. Yeah. But I'm like trudging up the mountain. This is like so funny coming from someone that does not hike. Um, I'm like trying to get to the other side actively. So I think I'm just like spiraling on, you know, overthinking and like, oh my gosh, like, am I doing the right thing? Am I doing the right thing? Did I make the right decision? Am I like creating the right change at the right time? Like, there's just so many like overthinking thoughts that come up. Yeah. Um, and so I'll spiral on that. And then the fun one is yeah, it has to be Love Island because we talk about it every night. Every night, got to be. We're watching it, we're keeping up. It's awesome more right now. If you're tuned in, you already know. Switch up is crazy. And I think it's just it's like it's like a social experiment. Like you're just watching things play out in real time. Yeah, they're like, it's just like little puppets putting into situations, and I always try to think like, what would I would I do in these situations? Oh my god. And how do you keep composed? That's like kind of not the point of the show. Like they want the drama. Yeah. But the things they're going through, like so many of the girls in recent episodes have said, like, this is crazy. Like, this is what we're supposed to be doing right now. Like it's not normal. It's not normal. Yeah. And I think I don't know if I've clocked it in other seasons, but I'm actively realizing it right now. Like, I think it's so cool that they're being like cognizant of what they're going through, and they're like, no, this is supposed to be like this. Yeah. Um, and yeah, I think watching their crazy makes me feel like less bad about it. I love it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Makes me feel less bad.
SPEAKER_03I'm like, I'm really healthy. Oh my god, when I watch them.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Delusionally watching. But the entertainment value, I mean, the show is just so crazy. And it's just, yeah, to see what people are doing in Costa is just it's always crazy, but here we go again.
SPEAKER_02I love Trinity though. She makes me laugh so hard. And I hope people are clocking it, but she's literally like, She's funny. This is the first time I've seen a white dick. It's cute. Yeah, she's so funny. She's funny. She just throws shit out like this. And then she's like liners. Bryce looks scrawny as hell. I got the ick. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And then we were talking about this. Weak. Weak. I've I've used the Lord Farquad joke for years now about like And it was so true. Blah blah blah looks like Lord Farquad. And she's like about to dance her mind on this man. And that's what she said. And she's like, Are you Lord Farquad? I was like, oh, all the AI recreations of it have me gas.
SPEAKER_02And they have no idea too, like what is like sticking out here and what no, they have no idea.
SPEAKER_03I love like hearing in the like reflection or do they do a reunion or something where they talk about, or is it just like online videos?
SPEAKER_02No, they do a reunion. They do do reunion. They started with season six or something doing reunion. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03That when they some of them bring up like the this went viral thing. And I think it's always so funny when they were when they could see what went viral.
SPEAKER_02Viral after and getting their phones back.
SPEAKER_03Getting the phones back. It's crazy. Oh my god. That there's been some funny like one-liners.
SPEAKER_00Uh yeah, I love those. They've been good.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. So we'll see how things pan out at the end of Casa. And then, yeah, hopefully we can go to a season finale watch party. That'll be fun.
SPEAKER_02Fine.
unknownFun.
SPEAKER_02Fun things. Fun things. My uh okay, so I have, I guess, a well, my serious one, and I did a whole episode on it. It either would have come out last week or next week. We'll see. Um, but it's just an overthinking thing. Um never feeling like I'm doing enough and I don't have time to do more, but not feeling like I'm doing enough and all my pursuits and all that. I go really into that, and I'm just like, when am I gonna feel content and like I am doing the right thing? Because I feel like I never am, no matter how much I am doing, and it just never feels like enough, and I'm always like, I don't know. Am I ever gonna be in that spot that I want to where I at least envision that I'll be feeling like content and where I want to be? But I feel that I feel I think about that every day. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03I will say though, and I've told you this before, like, I think you really are doing a great job at everything, and you're doing like the right things, and I think you put yourself in the right places. But I get the overthinking because I'm an overthinker.
SPEAKER_02Outside and people too being like, you need to do this and this and this and this, and I'm like, what's right and what's wrong? Like, I just want someone to tell me.
SPEAKER_03I I think that is like the issue, one of the issues of like online stuff is like there's too almost too much noise in that in the regard that you're speaking on. Yeah, yeah. It's too much.
SPEAKER_02Um, but then my other smaller one is it bothers me so much when people who are turning left on the road think they have the right way. And you literally don't have the right away unless you have a green arrow. And I never saw this in Pennsylvania, never saw this in North Carolina, but in Atlanta and LA, so many people be turning left when someone is turning right and they cut them off and think they have the right away. And it makes me mad every single time. And I don't get why people think they have the right away when they're turning left. Do you see this? Do you know what I mean? I know what you mean. When there's no one coming straight, but someone's coming and turning right, and then the people going this way turn left and think they can cut in front of the people turning right on green.
SPEAKER_03I feel like I've seen this, but I feel like not as is it maybe because it's maybe it's a part of town that you're driving in. Maybe. Because you're probably on crazier streets. Yeah. But I see it all the time, and I'm like, what are you doing? That's not the rule. I know what you mean. I know what you mean. Actually, this morning I saw somebody pull out. This is not what you're saying, but it's like the same thing. Like on the yielded green, they like when the light turned green, the person turning left went before the straight oncoming. I know that's like to beat the they're like, oh, if I go first, I can just get there. And it's like, no, well, that's bypassing California law. Like, where's the police? Like, did we not all go through driver's head? Like, what's going on?
SPEAKER_02I just don't get it.
SPEAKER_03I see it a lot. And I'm like, no. That one was crazy to me. And I'm like, it's first off, not even rush hour. Yeah. What's going on? Calm down. And it's not that serious. And if you're that late, we have a you have bigger problems. That's crazy.
SPEAKER_02Please calm down. Safety on the road, please. Please, thank you. Thank you. Safety on the road, safety in Starbucks. That's where the police are at. That's a health safety issue. Yeah, it's crazy. Watch out. Not okay. Disgusting.
SPEAKER_03I don't work with the code. I don't want to buy a drink there if like I'm seeing that. They're the enemy. Never, and not even like the I don't even want the croissant anymore.
SPEAKER_02The croissants. The cake pops. I can make my own cake pop.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Anyway.
SPEAKER_02Anyway, I digress.
SPEAKER_04We digress.
SPEAKER_02Anyway, that's all I have. That's all I have for you today. Um, thank you so much for coming back on. My first ever repeated guest. My first ever guest. And then my first ever repeated guest. And many more. We're back. I know. Should we run this back every few months? Yeah. Probably. We will. Probably. Do you want to share your TikTok where people should follow you? Handle whatever you want to share. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Well, my TikTok is Emily, I think it's two wise. Emily two wise underscore G-E-E. I'll tag you. I should know that. Yeah. You need to know it now. I should know that. I guess this is like the first time I'm being asked. Yeah. So I don't know. Well, I'll tag it. I think it's E-M-I-L-Y-Y underscore G-E-E. Yeah. And you can find me on TikTok because that's where I'm posting for now.
SPEAKER_00Everything.
SPEAKER_03We may expand in this near future.
SPEAKER_02I don't even know that. We'll see. New info.
SPEAKER_03Find me on TikTok. Okay.
SPEAKER_02Okay, guys. Follow her along, follow her journey. Um, yeah, and I'm just so excited to see where your life is going right now. And yeah, I'm so proud of it. I'm excited.
SPEAKER_03I'm excited for our lives together as friends and the directions we're going. And every week we meet when we hang out, we do check in on what's new and exciting and also what's crazy and what we're spilering about. All of it every time.
SPEAKER_02Literally.
SPEAKER_03Literally. Okay. Well, thanks for having me. Yeah, it's always fun. It's always a pleasure. I love you. And I'm excited to watch you on this journey. Yes. We made it. We're out. Signing off.