How Better Builders Stop Wasting Time on the Wrong Clients | Jared Kemp

Builders waste a huge amount of time pricing jobs that were never going to happen.

The problem often starts well before the quote, when homeowners design a dream project without any realistic sense of budget.

In this episode of Built. Trusted. Chosen., I chat with Jared Kemp, founder and director of RedKem Constructions and B4U Build, about the real cost of poor early-stage qualification in residential construction. We talk about getting off the tools, learning business the hard way, building systems, using estimating software to qualify better leads, and why trust is still one of the strongest growth assets a builder can have.

You’ll take away:

• Why builders need to qualify budget before investing months into pricing or design work 
• How a useful website tool can become a stronger lead magnet than a generic downloadable guide 
• Why getting off the tools is often one of the hardest and most important business transitions 
• How business coaching and clear roles can help builders avoid expensive mistakes 
• Why reliable trades, clear expectations and reputation compound over time 
• How trust is won or lost through the client experience, not just the finished build 

Guest bio:
 Jared Kemp is the founder and director of B4U Build and Building Manager and Director of RedKem Constructions in Brisbane. He started in the industry as a carpenter before progressing into building, and now works across both his construction company and software platform designed to help homeowners and builders understand project costs earlier in the process.

Guest links:
https://b4ubuild.com.au/
https://redkem.com.au/

Host bio:
 I’m Wes Towers, founder of Uplift 360 and host of Built. Trusted. Chosen., the podcast for leaders and marketers in trades and construction. I help trades and construction companies be built, trusted and chosen online through high-performing websites and Search Everywhere Optimisation.
https://uplift360.com.au/

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to Built, Trusted, Chosen, the podcast for leaders and marketers in trades and construction. Hosted by Wiz Towers from Uplift 360.

SPEAKER_01 0:12

Okay, g'day. It's uh fantastic to have Jared Kemp on the show today. Although I think I might have to cancel it. He's just told me he's a uh Collingwood supporter, so we'll see how things pan out with all that. Uh internationally, uh Collingwood is a AFL footy team, and uh you either love them or hate them.

SPEAKER_02 0:31

So uh it's uh that was off the record.

SPEAKER_01 0:36

Yeah, so but Jared, uh I'd um really looking forward to this show. There's a a bunch of things you're involved in, which we we can uh unpack. Hopefully we can cover a lot in 30 or so minutes. But uh if you could just introduce yourself and and tell us who who you are and what you're up to these days.

SPEAKER_03 0:52

Yeah, thanks for having me, Wes. My name's uh Jared Kemp. I'm uh a residential slash commercial builder for Red Kem Constructions. That's a company we started 14 uh years ago and um carpenter by trade. Loving it. Not on the tools anymore, haven't been for a long time. Um, so sort of in the in the business side of the business uh now and um yeah, also have a software, uh a estimating software for homeowners and builders called Before You Build too.

SPEAKER_01 1:26

So yeah, brilliant. And was it just to rewind to when you started the business, was it always your intention to get off the tools and have, I guess, more of an over overseeing role in in the company, or how do you how did you feel about that? So I know guys are really keen to stay on the tools, they love what they do and they love that seeing the the work that they know that their hands have made. Um how did you sort of see all that?

SPEAKER_03 1:52

It's actually it's a funny, funny, um, funny question, Wes. I was talking to one of a couple of my guys on site yesterday about this, and um I I think every carpenter's dream at some point is to is to get off the tools and and become a builder, and then sort of when you're in the mix of it, the conversation I had was um because I'd building my own house myself, chucking the nail bag back on is a lot less stressful than some of the um the some of the stuff you go through as a builder, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_01 2:24

Yeah, yeah, some some hard lessons learned some of the some of the time, and some things outside of our control sometimes. Things as a founder-led business. I mean, we don't have business training as such, we just got to learn on the fly and and do our best, and we don't know what we don't know. Um is that kind of your experience? You you you didn't have much business sort of training as such?

SPEAKER_03 2:45

Yeah, yeah. Definitely was yeah, I was I was actually 21 when I started the building company, so I was really I I finished finished school early. I um I yeah finished school and I was already a school-based apprentice, so by then I think I I'd actually had my apprenticeship finished by the time I was 18, 19, and and at that point I jumped straight into my builder's course. So I um I had my cert four by the time I was 20. And at that point, um there wasn't a great deal of that would have been in sort of 2013-ish, um, 2012, 2013 when I finished. There wasn't a great deal of sort of good work around or opportunities around at that sort of early stage. Um, I was working for my parents and we were kind of just doing bits and bulbs here and there, and I sort of bit the bullet and s and um sort of had everything in place, had a couple of builds lined up and just uh ripped the band-aid off a nice young naive 21-year-old and started a building company and haven't looked back.

SPEAKER_01 3:54

So yeah, brilliant. And it it's uh the only way we start, I think it's kind of like having kids. Have you got kids yourself?

SPEAKER_03 4:02

I've got two girls, yes. Probably I don't know, lots harder actually.

SPEAKER_01 4:07

Yeah, but the uh the if you ever calculated the cost in which uh a child uh costs you over the life over their life cycle of of being under your roof and even beyond, um no one would have kids if they knew the cost, but we go in naively, and I think we go into business sometimes naively, but it's sometimes it's the most re rewarding things you can do, um I think to start a business. Obviously the financial reward, but the the personal um rewards of building something um that's you know that'll last as well. But you're building out I'm pretty uh interested to um unpack some of the software, the estimating side of things. How do you how's that all work and what do you see the future of estimating these days?

SPEAKER_03 4:53

So we kind of seen a bit of a gap in the market in 2020. Um the building process at the moment for a builder, a homeowner, and a designer collectively is the homeowner goes to the designer or the architect. They get their plans drawn up, the plans are finalized, they send them to a builder to price, the builder prices them, spends, can spend months, you know, with the client at that point in time. The client spent a lot of money to find out they just cannot afford the build. That is just the there is no, there is and well, until now, of course, there was no way of going like how much is this actually gonna cost the homeowner first um before they go and invest ten plus thousand dollars on plans to to to design up their dream home. There was no way of actually um being able to find out how much that's gonna cost. So we we developed this toolable. Initially, it was actually for homeowners. We developed the tool so that they could assess their project costs before they talk to a builder or before they actually think of the designer. So they can kind of go through their dream, you know, pick architectural finishes, do whatever they need to do, and kind of get that, you know, that budget straight, that budget smack in the face straight away before investing all of that time and money. Um and and it it works. So we started developing that in 2020. Um, we got to about two years ago, two and a yeah, two years ago, 2024. And we sort of, we got to do, I think, 15,000 members we had in the software itself, and they'll purely, you know, as I said, it was purely developed for homeowners to try and give them that sort of that sort of um that budget estimated. But we kind of went through all the members and probably twenty twenty-five to thirty percent of them were actually builders using the tool. Wow, yeah, yeah. And we jumped on, we jumped on and started calling a few of the builders I actually knew. I was like, hey guys, um, I see you're using before you build our pricing tool. What are you using it for? It's it's designed for homeowners, and um they said we actually use it now to pre-qualify our clients before we meet with them. So one, that they're they're not spending months and months of work pricing projects and it like a lot of there's quite a lot of design and construct building companies too. So they're not spending months, six to twelve months designing and working with the client on projects that are just never going to be built, and resources um that that that they've kind of put into projects that they'll never get back. So after receiving that amount of advice, or not advice, but kind of market, you know, just kind of hearing back from the market, we actually developed a a new model where you can builders can brand and embed the tool into their website and actually use it, use it as like a lead capture tool. So it's it's super it was already really simple to use, like homeowners could use it. So we just created a model that is fully branded. Builders embed it in their website, it becomes a lead capture tool, and it becomes a pre-qualification tool. So homeowners always want an immediate sense of budget. So, like for them to basically give their details over to use the tool, go through the process of using the tool, the builders all of a sudden got this highly qualified league based on budget as well without even talking to them on the phone then.

SPEAKER_01 8:43

Yeah. Well, I love it. Yeah, being a web guy and a bit of a geek as well. Um, uh you know, it's it's so powerful if you can provide true value as your lead magnet. But the problem, I mean, back in the day we could get away with having a a dodgy little e-book to to gather lights and people would give their email and and phone number and whatnot, but now we know it's not really free, it's coming at a cost of and that cost is our privacy and the uh the um the value of our privacy, we're we're all valuing that much more than we ever did. And and also the basic ebook. I mean, you can get that information just jumping on ChatGPT and getting out and spilling out that kind of stuff. So it needs to be a higher level. So what you've got is providing massive value to the homeowner who's got no idea what it's gonna cost. They just want a rough idea if if it's even worth a conversation. So I love it. It's so so good. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:39

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:40

It's highly effective. Yeah. I can make so how do you how do you charge it out? Is it the uh the builders who are using it? Is it kind of it's a monthly subscription fee?

SPEAKER_03 9:50

Yeah, so we've got a few levels of packages, and it depends on um how much the builder's gonna use it, the size of the company, etc. Like we've got we've got we've got tweaks in the back end that we can set, like change the pricing in the back end for particular builders and show particular projects that they want to build, like some do Renault, some do extensions, some do new homes, some do architectural work and don't want to show budget finishes, some do budget finishes and don't want to show architectural finishes. It's fully like we can fully adjust the tool based on the builder's business. Um and yeah, adjust the pricing, etc. We actually have some designers using it too. Um, a smaller number of designers, um, but we do have designers that basically, as a part of their design process, they'll bring clients in, sit them down, ask them their brief, and because it only takes about two minutes to get messed up, but basically put their brief into the pricing tool and say, all right, well, this is roughly what you'd be looking at. Should we proceed with the design based on that? Or do we want to make some tweaks and actually design this to your budget before we start?

SPEAKER_01 11:03

Yeah, yeah. I love it. There's a there's a just uh rattling through my brain, a few clients who I reckon could benefit massively. So we'll have a conversation after the podcast to see how we can make an introduction. What about um things a little left afield? So there's a client who's doing um the what do you call them, the rooming houses, the uh, you know, with the you know, it's a massive massive house with lots of bathrooms and and bedrooms. You can it can all be tailored around those sorts of things too?

SPEAKER_03 11:33

Absolutely, mate. Absolutely. We can tailor it to whatever the builder likes, like whether they build duplexes, townhouses. Um we've got sort of the base model set up. Like we have builders that have like saunas and steam rooms and lifts and all that sort of stuff in their selections, and obviously builders that don't have that. So it's fully customizable, mate. Yeah, we can we can make it. We haven't we haven't touched in the commercial side with the pricing tool yet. It's more residential at this stage. Um but that is that's a potential too, because we have had a little bit of interest around from builders in the commercial space too.

SPEAKER_01 12:10

So yeah. I love how you came across the business idea. You just built something and then noticed a an and a niche or way in which the users were using it. Similar kind of thing happened. I I built a I was working on a a a crane company website where there was crane calculators, so you would say that the weight and how far out it was, etc. And it would assume it's a site that was easy access and flat and all that kind of stuff, but it would give you a pricing estimate. And what they realized was a a massive portion of the users were other crane companies. So what they realized in that not to look at it as competitors, but to think about, hey, how do we collaborate with these guys? Because what happens in the crane industry is you've got X amount of cranes and certain cranes that fulfill um certain jobs, either they might be out and and you you need it to uh collaborate with uh another crane company, or you just haven't got the right fit for the project. So you're always kind of working with these other what might be perceived as competitors, they're more collaboration partners, so they just saw the opportunity in that as well and and took it a whole new direction. I think that's business, isn't it? You just you just start something with an idea, and then it's sometimes if you've got the eyes your eyes open, other opportunities bob up.

SPEAKER_03 13:28

Um I think yeah, I think before I sort of started going through the process of this software development, which is completely different based on what I've learned over the last six years uh than running a building company, but that's probably another story. I pretty much had like a spreadsheet that I'd used to use, like an Excel spreadsheet, and it was super baseline, like really basic that I used to, you know, utilize for myself to kind of pre-qualify my own clients. And I was like, it'd be really cool if I could somehow get this into a into an app, and it kind of went from that to this m this bloody monster, so yeah, yeah, yeah. It's completely different to how I sort of envisioned it being, but for the better, for sure. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:16

No, I love it. And so um how much of your time is invested in the the construction uh uh company, um, and how much into the the software?

SPEAKER_03 14:27

Yeah, it'd be 50-50, I'd say, from from my point of view. We have people working over both businesses, so we've got a full tech tech tech and support team in before you build, and we've got a project manager, two site managers now, and then a team of carpenters um and a contract designer that works for the building company as well. So um, yeah, I I probably work yeah, 50-50, roughly, I'd say.

SPEAKER_01 14:54

Yeah. And so when you're building out the team and thinking about early days, what what do you reckon the the most critical roles were to fulfill in the in those early steps?

SPEAKER_03 15:09

Probably the the the that was the the first initial step for me was getting off the tools. Like I started a building company as just me and an apprentice on the tools doing builds. I think building out those roles, the the first initial one was bringing a carpenter to take over my role so that I could sort of facilitate that off the tools role. I reckon that was the biggest step. Although, like, we've grown so much since then, I reckon that was the hardest step to take because I had no good build training in running a business. Through that point in time, I was going through training. I've done training with three different business coaches now since then, which I to it it's it's my sh strong opinion that before people to start a building company, I think it should be a requirement to actually do some type of business coaching specifically for the building industry, and it would probably solve a lot of these builders going broke because I think personally, if I didn't have any of that coaching to set up the systems and processes and put those roles in place, I would be I would be bankrupt as well. Yeah, you just don't know.

SPEAKER_01 16:23

Yeah, yeah, you gotta get that expert advice so to guide you along the way. Happy to um drop a name. Who who would you recommend? It sounds like you worked with a few, but who who do you think is the go-to in Australia?

SPEAKER_03 16:36

Start with with ATB, the Association of Professional Builders. They're really good. Really, really good. They really set a good foundation for us um in terms of like sales, processes, market processes, business operations, um, financial, you know, financial training, um, work in progress training. Like it it really is a bit of a one-stop shop for everything running a business. And I would yeah, definitely recommend them over and over again, but yeah, completely set us up. I did some more training with um with another company, Unicorn Business Solutions. I don't believe they're actually around anymore, to be honest. Um I'm not sure, yeah, I'm not sure. Um, and um I'm currently working with a company at the moment called Juno Advisory, Ben Field from Juno Advisory, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

Yeah, nice. And do you think it was? Beneficial swapping coaches at different levels of of business, do you think? It sounds like that first mob were good at the entry level kind of thing, but maybe you outdo that there.

SPEAKER_03 17:48

Yeah, look, I think at that point in time, and I can't really tell you exactly the reason why, because it was so long ago. It was probably it would have been 10 years ago, I reckon, once when we left them. Um I can't really tell you the reason why we did at that point. Like, we were with them for a few years, and it probably just got to a point where we we weren't growing and we kind of had the system set up that we that I thought we needed. Um, the second business coach we went to was very financial focused, they were actually more accountants. Um so like we kind of I probably wanted to get more of an understanding around that sort of side of things um at that point in time. Um and um the the who we're working with at the moment, they're actually more tailored to the sort of the software side, but we kind of lean on them for both Redcam and Before You Build, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:41

Yeah, okay. Yeah, brilliant. No, it's so good. Uh we had a business coach on uh episode just uh recently, and um he's he's just working um with with businesses over over a couple of million, I think, because he's kind of threshold. Um, so everyone's got their sweet spot and and who uh will connect with one person might not necessarily connect with the other. How how'd you go? I I suppose speaking to a lot of different people over the course of the podcasts and and globally as well, um people often speak of the the people problems, you know. Yeah, you can be great at your skill, um, but uh you know, there there can be a couple of things. I mean, it can be that the that the um team members just aren't uh to the to the level in which you want them to be. Um just the management side of things.

SPEAKER_02 19:35

Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_01 19:36

How do you find that transition, especially handing over that that replacing yourself, that first hire that you mentioned was so important? How'd you go about um checking their quality? Because you know, it's hard for them to live up to your your own standards, that's always the case.

SPEAKER_03 19:52

Well, he we'd actually worked together uh quite a lot before with the guy that's um come in, and he's actually our project manager now, so he's sort of been the bus the whole the whole way through. So I uh I definitely had no worries about the the quality component, that's for sure. He's actually a far better carpenter than I was, so it made it pretty good.

SPEAKER_01 20:16

There's less uh less reason to micromanage wends. If you get someone better than you, then you haven't got a shelter, you know.

SPEAKER_03 20:22

You know, that's exactly right. There is a bit of a joke at the moment. I've got I've got three of you guys working on my house and I'm doing a little bit myself on the weekends, and they they sort of come in on a Monday morning just want to know what they got to fix that I did over the weekend.

SPEAKER_01 20:36

So yeah, yeah, a mate of mine, he he um he runs a few businesses, but one of them in particular, he uh he uh gets up there, it's it's uh regional and he gets up there and always causes a disaster, so he's better off just staying away from the business sometimes. So uh interesting.

SPEAKER_03 21:00

You just gotta know what you're good at, I suppose, and put yourself in that role.

SPEAKER_01 21:04

Yeah, yeah, that's right. And so did you work on like an org chart as as people might often talk about, you know, the different roles. Did you did you have a vision in mind, or did you just kind of play it by ear and and have a a need and feel that need as it as it came along?

SPEAKER_03 21:20

Yeah, well, I think earlier it was definitely less structured. I I mean it's really structured now. We've got really clear set roles, expectations, um, laid out really well now, and that's probably going through the the three levels of business coaches as well, sort of set that. Um I think early, early on, it is definitely much less structured. You don't really know what you need at that point in time of business um until you kind of c come a come up against problems, and then you know, one staff member goes, Okay, so why didn't you do that? Oh well, I thought that was your job. Or, you know, that type of thing. And and that probably is as hard as what it is probably for a builder. It kind of comes with experience a little bit too, unless you've kind of got that business coach to set you up early, in which you've got to invest a lot of money in that as well. So it's like, well, you've got to run a business. You've got to run a business and you've got to be profitable. But you also need to have enough money to in you know be able to afford this type of business coaching because it's not cheap as well. So it's a bit tricky. Um, yeah, it's a it's a it's a bit of a juggle all the way through.

SPEAKER_01 22:35

So yeah. And then you've got obviously subbies working. Have you got a pretty reliable go-to set of subbies, or how how does that work out? Because I mean it depends on who I'm talking to. It seems I've got no data on this, but it feels to me that regionals are really struggling just to get enough uh workers still. Uh, but the city itself would be a little bit better. Um, I don't know how it is in your part of the world.

SPEAKER_03 23:03

Yeah, it it's not too like we've used the same trades for a long period of time. We have a you know, we have a set quality that we want to reassure or you know, bring into every one of our projects. So we we generally use all of the same trades, like we've got the same core group of like plumbers, electricians, pastors, painters. We have our own carpenters employed, so roofers are the same. We we just try and if they if we know they do a good job, then you sort of the you there's less less defective work, like less fixed-ups, etc. as you go along.

SPEAKER_01 23:41

So yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, having it that reliability.

SPEAKER_03 23:46

That's 14 years of building that team as well, because it's not always like that.

SPEAKER_01 23:50

So yeah. Well, no doubt you've seen a few come and go, so you you try someone and it it didn't really work out to the quality and standards that you would like, so you you you move on to the next. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Takes time to and and I I suppose it's a it's a massive aspect of hiring a builder. Obviously, uh trust has been eroded a uh somewhat in the construction game simply because you know businesses go they fold all the time, it feels like. Yeah. Um so there's that aspect of it, and so and you know, the quality and the standards and and so on. What do you think are the biggest things that erode trust in a a for a builder?

SPEAKER_03 24:35

From a client to a builder?

SPEAKER_01 24:37

Yeah, yeah. So when a when a client's shopping around and they're looking for a builder, what are those those big things that that uh destroy trust in in your brand and reputation?

SPEAKER_03 24:51

We definitely get asked the financial question quite a lot. Are you financially solvent? And it it's it's hard to it's probably hard to actually, you know, answer the question because without actually showing them your books, you show them your books and you're making a lot of money, they think you're charging them too much. You show them your books and you're not making enough money, then they're like, well, you're not financially solvent. So it's a tricky one. Um my answer to to that question is is we get audited by the QBCC every year. So um if we if we don't meet the minimum financial requirements, we we don't you know we can't hold a license in Queensland anymore. So that's how I answer that question. Um other trust, um, I think reputation is is always a good one if if you've got a good reputation and and and that that's always always helpful. Um probably because we have been around for so long, we do we we pro a lot of our work people know us now. You know, a lot of people in Brisbane sort of know us and sort of know that they're gonna build with us or know of someone who's who's built with us or um sort of down that line. So yeah, I think it's just building a good reputation, but again, that comes with you know years and years of of doing it as well.

SPEAKER_01 26:08

So yeah, getting those recommendations, referrals. It's definitely it's you know, if you're gonna build, it's a it's a massive investment. And so you're going to ask everybody you know who's built before and uh what their experiences were and who who who you'd recommend. Definitely for sure, the the word of mouth uh is a massive thing. I was in the in the car park um and uh just overheard a a tradie of some description talking to uh one of the one of the tenants from that building, and um he was asking who who the we're in Geelong. He's he was saying, Who's the best builders in Geelong? I don't know what his project was, but he was just rattling off these names that were no good and what he felt were were good companies. And that's happening for every business. We just don't know precisely precisely why things are being shared, but the quality of your work is is being shared and the and the um experience, the client experience, because it might be a great quality project, but if if your team members are a bit bit gruff and and created a bad test in someone's mouth, um that's gonna lost you that massively. So obviously you're doing things right to build out your dream for 40 years.

SPEAKER_03 27:24

Yeah, well, my my parents always said um they had a building company that retinal living the dream, but uh they always said if you do a good job, they'll tell one person, you do a bad one, they'll tell ten. And that always sort of stuck in my mind.

SPEAKER_01 27:38

So yeah, it's the same as Google reviews. I mean, we all want positive Google review reviews, and with a gentle nudge, people will typically do it if you if you've group done a great service. They always tell clients this just to give them a gentle um prompt because um they want to do that, but they just need that gentle reminder, but they don't need a reminder for a negative review. That's uh that um emotion.

SPEAKER_03 28:04

Yeah, yeah, that's right. Absolutely. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 28:08

Just like what your parents are saying. No, that's it's been brilliant. I'm really yeah, I'm really keen to to find out more about your B for uh B for you build um the software because there's definitely some some clients. Um maybe now's a good time to to tell people how they can find out more about that. And obviously, people can use that.

SPEAKER_03 28:29

Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So the website, and this is for both homeowners and builders, is uh before you build, um letter B number four, letteru build.com.au. Um there's a builder side and a homeowner side. So essentially, if you're a homeowner, you can go in there and select the number of estimates that you want and just pay a one-off fee to basically purchase those estimates. Um it's a good idea, I always say, to try and try at least three. So, like if you go, you know, put your dream in and go, I want this architectural palace and figure out what that costs, you kind of work your way back to where you where you sort of want to be. Um, you know, that's generally the best approach. And then from a builder's perspective, we've got a builder's part on the site too that they can basically contact us. We actually do a 30-day free trial for builders, just so then they can they've got time to try try it out, make sure it's going to work for them, get it embedded onto their website, which is super easy. It's just a line of code that's just plugged straight in and um start seeing the benefits. Um we um we we we don't we do it it's a monthly subscription for for builders. Um we don't do a locked in contract because once you are getting leads qualified based on budget, that's you know, potentially um more profitable than the the projects you're doing, it's pretty hard to turn off.

SPEAKER_01 29:54

So yeah, yeah, brilliant. And um yeah, the um it I had another uh guy on from the States uh having a similar kind of um philosophy about creating that lead capture. He he was doing feasibility for for land over there. Um so you you plug in your you plug in your lot and it'll tell you this the slope and the um you know the risk. So over there, I mean uh here we'd have you know flood zones, uh bushfire um uh other overlays, they have similar stuff.

SPEAKER_03 30:30

We have all of that stuff attached to the tool as well.

SPEAKER_01 30:33

So Oh that's in there, yes, we yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:36

So basically, if you're in a bushfire-prone area, for example, your bill costs would be slightly more expensive because um different materials would have to be used. So that is all calculated into the costs of this tool. Same with like green proximity. If you're within a hundred meters of of breaking surf, clearly your your building materials are going to be completely different than if you're not. Um we've got flood overlays stuff, we've got like if you're your high performance, if you're building passive house or you know, more energy efficient or just standard performance, we can calculate the cost of all of that stuff. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:09

Yeah, brilliant. Ah, sounds really sophisticated. So um I'd encourage anyone who's a builder to jump on, at least have a little little look and and get in contact and find out more about that, how it might work for them. Um been a great episode. I've been really enjoyed that the time has flown by, but I always like to make sure we cover everything off. So is there a like a question I I should have asked you that that I didn't, and what would be the answer to that?

SPEAKER_03 31:35

Oh my goodness. That's a that is a good question. Yeah, I'm not sure, mate. I think uh we've covered a lot, you know, you know, in a pretty short period of time. So yeah, not a bit off the top of my head.

SPEAKER_01 31:51

Yeah, no, that's okay. That's good. That means we've covered everything off, and obviously if if people are looking to to build in what what uh location, what's your kind of boundaries of of where you where you we build?

SPEAKER_03 32:04

We work, so we're in Brisbane, so we sort of work within about a 12k radius of the city, and then all of the base sides, so like Winham, Manley, etc. Yeah. That's that's what design stuff and but the pricing tool is Australia wide, so yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_01 32:22

Yeah, brilliant, brilliant. Well, I'll make sure to put the links to the websites and so on in the show notes and so people can easily click on those and and find find out more. Thanks so much, Jared. It's been an excellent episode. Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_00 32:37

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