Should Gen Z Be Forced to Serve in the Military #debate #military #genz

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Starting December 2026, every eligible man ages 18–25 will be automatically registered with the Selective Service. No draft notice. No battalion. Just an admin list — and a nation that doesn't know the difference.

So we asked the table: Should American citizenship require military service?

Chief Bee (30 years enlisted) says yes — two years in the Guard. Future Commander LaRae says not for everyone. HYPE says the real question isn't numbers — it's trust.

100 volunteers willing to serve. Or 1,000 people forced into uniform. Which military would you rather fight next to?

This is SCIIF Unredacted. We read what the brief leaves out.

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0:00 — Cold Open / SCIIF Unredacted Intro
0:08 — BLUF: The Question On The Table
2:53 — Dossier Brief: What December 2026 Actually Means
7:00 — Witness Stand: BEE's Case For Mandatory Reserve Service
12:00 — The Interrogation: Does Freedom Include The Right NOT To Serve?
21:00 — Intel Failure Analysis: Where The Mandatory Service Argument Breaks Down
25:00 — After-Action Review: What You Should Know Before December
29:30 — Channel Outro & CTA

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100 volunteers or 1,000 forced — which military would YOU rather serve in?
Did YOUR recruiter explain the difference between registration and a draft?
Should federal employees be required to serve?

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:09

Back on the scene, crispy and clean. Tonight we will be asking a question that's been dividing veterans and Z and everyday Americans. Should military service be mandatory in the United States? And with automatic select service registration beginning in December 2026, people are asking if this is the beginning of something bigger. Automatic registration is not an active draft. That doesn't mean battalions being set up. So I want to make that perfectly clear. Now, to be fair, supporters of mandatory service usually aren't coming from a bad place. They're talking about discipline, unity, shared sacrifice, the belief that every American should understand what it means to protect freedom. So that's not a bad thing. That deserves a real conversation, though. But there's another side. Would force service actually make the military stronger, or would it flood the force with people who don't want to be there? Who's paying the bill? Logistics, private sector impacts, opsec footprint, all those things are of concern to those who are on the inside looking outside. So here's the question I want you guys to think about as we go through this. No matter where you are in the world, as we go through this process, I want you guys to think about this. In the military, is it better to have 100 volunteers willing to serve or 1,000 people forced into uniform to serve? Because the military readiness isn't just numbers. It's morale, it's leadership, it's training capacity, it's mental resilience, it's freaking trust. Okay? You gotta be able to trust the people to the left and to the right of you, regardless. So I want y'all to think about this as we're having this conversation. And then this is where the conversation gets real. Doesn't freedom that we have in the United States include the freedom to not serve? Or does citizenship come with an obligation to defend the nation? We're gonna answer that tonight. We're gonna get deep into it. Remember, you guys leave your comments in there. After we have this discussion, let me know what you guys feel. Let's get into it, you guys. Skiff International Podcast, Christian the Hype Man, Sledge, B Rabble, Rouser, and LA MF Johnson on the scene this week to be able to deep dive into this. Man, I'm telling you right now, it's Sunday. My freaking hands smell like Clorox. If you know, you know, man. Once your singer got in there and started turning on the music and start vacuuming, everybody know what it is. So I just want to let y'all know. Team, I want you guys to talk your stuff, keep it unredacted. So, with that being said, I want you guys to answer should American citizenship require service in the armed forces, okay? Give me your initial thought, and uh within 30 seconds, give me the reasons why you think it should be a thing. Let's go ahead and get to the gate with Chief. Chief, you go ahead, kick it off. What do you think?

SPEAKER_01 2:50

And why do you think initially? All right. So, unpopular opinion, I know this is probably gonna shock people out there. I think that you should have to serve two years in the reserve component. The reason why I say that is because we talked about this on previous episodes. If you Google how many of our congressmen, U.S. senators, and just in general, the general American population have familiarity with the military, it's dwindling. People don't know what it takes to sacrifice. And how else do you have people understand what it takes to go through the service? Why should we not erode their benefits? Why should we not lower their pay? Why should we not send them anywhere, have them be killed for you know fruitless wars or anything like that? Hey, man, I know what it's like. I was deployed, or I did an exercise, or something to that effect to give you that wait. I don't think we should do that. Or it's at least you just put a pause to your thinking as you're putting people in a position of harm's way. So I think two years in the guard, air national guard, army national guard, some kind of guard, two years. So I don't want you to have to move all over two weekends a year or two weekends a month for two years. And to me, that's not that much for the freedoms we enjoy. So that's that's my initial tip.

SPEAKER_03 4:18

Okay, gotcha. And then Lorrae, what do you think, ma'am? Should American citizenship come with a service obligation?

SPEAKER_00 4:25

If we're talking all people, heck no, absolutely not. Now, if I'm taking on Chiefs answer and I'm dissecting groups of people, if we're talking maybe federal government employees, absolutely there should be a requirement because of the amount of information, the amount of relative job knowledge that pertains to the military, yes, there should be a core requirement. But for anyone seeking American citizenship, military service should not be required. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 4:55

Fair enough. So let's go into it, let's deep dive into this argument and get the real details out of it. Before we go any further, let's clear something up. A lot of people are seeing the headlines and assuming that a draft is coming uh because of the selective service thing. That's not actually happening. Starting in December 2026, eligible men ages 18 to 25 will be automatically registered with the Selective Service. That means the process becomes automatic. It does not mean the United States has reinstated a draft. It's just an admin list. It's not a battalion, all right? If you're trying to seek financial aid from the United States government or anything else like that, you're required to have signed up anyway. So just keep that in mind. It's just an automatic process now. It does not mean you're being drafted or anything else like that, okay? We want to clear that up. So, follow-up question for the table, all right? Do you guys think that people are confusing registration with mandatory military service?

SPEAKER_01 5:52

Absolutely. Out the gate, when they see that, their buzz get tight. You know, for lack of a better term. They're like, oh my God, what is this going on? If you read your history, you go back to Vietnam, conscription, hey man, you got a draft card, all this other stuff. Here's the deal. We've over the past what several years have hit our recruiting numbers. Dude, you gotta have a ready and willing population that's willing to not only serve, but also support and defend the United States Constitution against enemies, foreign and domestic. You gotta have that to have the way of life that you have. And sometimes if you're in a drag out fight with a near-peer threat and you lose a lot of people, well, guess what? You go into college, you're enjoying the hey man, I'm just having fun in college. Well, guess what? We need you now. And that's a that's the reality. People have to understand that that's a piece of it.

SPEAKER_00 6:45

I'm with Chief. I definitely see how it's easy to get confused with those two terms. Um, and then Chief brought in the willingness piece. Well, when you're telling me if I'm an eligible male between the ages of 18 and 25, and I have to sign up for registration, my mind is automatically gonna think, well, something's gonna happen and I am gonna have to go to war. That's what immediately comes to mind. So people just have to educate themselves.

SPEAKER_03 7:08

Yeah, everybody's talking about, or at least bringing up the fact that universal service should be discussed right now just because of all the stuff that's happening. I I'm glad that all this stuff is coming up because, again, a lot of people were quiet, like you said, Chief. They don't want to address it, they don't want to talk about it. But there's some things that are, you know, inching at having these discussions. So being able to see these things and see the writing on the wall, it might not mean the ultimate whatever they're trying to get at, but it brings up that conversation. Do we need to have that conversation? Yes, we need to have this conversation because GY and all those folks are they're leaving. Like they're getting old and they're leaving. Who's gonna take up the mantle for us? And with all the things that are going on, but if the the next generation can't trust the establishment about what it's doing or can't get behind it, they're gonna have to do something in order to carry on the nation's defense. So it is something that you gotta think about. I'm glad we're bringing that up today. So we'll move on. Hey, how to before we move on?

SPEAKER_01 8:00

Let me can I can I just say one thing? You have the baby boomers who are retiring and a mass transfer of wealth. You brought up GWAT generation of military service members. The current generation that's coming in, what do what does Gen Z value? What do they care about? I want autonomy, I want to do what I want to do when I want to do it, and I want you to pay me a king's ransom. That wasn't us. Yep. So now you have that interlaced. And are you gonna get enough people to actually volunteer and do the jobs that people don't want to do? Is that gonna happen? Let's see. The jury's still out.

SPEAKER_03 8:35

Yep, for sure. We'll we'll see when that time comes. So let's start by being fair. Why do you think people, the regular citizens or celebrities? I mentioned this before, celebrities like Dwight Howard and Robert Schneider even support this idea, right? For example, some people were saying your common Gen Zer lack discipline. The military can provide discipline. Okay, so let's just keep it wide and broad. Why do you think people like Rob Schneider and Dwight Howard or anybody would support Gen Z having a mandatory service in order to secure their citizenship? What is lacking in today's modern, you know, society, our culture, our climate that they're saying that the military can capture?

SPEAKER_01 9:19

I would say, and this is this is making assumptions because I don't want to just lump people into a category without giving people an opportunity to, you know, be who they are. I know everybody's an individual, but generally speaking, they think they're selfish. They don't understand what it's like to sacrifice and be a part of a team, a part of something that's more than themselves. So military service inherently has baked in it some attributes that will help you deal with that kind of generation of people. I'm cautious of saying everybody's this.

SPEAKER_03 9:52

Because we both have we'll say, like, the you know, we think about their ages and everything. Like they will say, back in my day, you know, X, Y, and Z. They're gonna say that. Well, we had discipline and everything else like that. These new kids, these modern, these modern day kids don't have, they lack this, they lack that. They don't have respect for the country. Yeah, they're entitled. So they're like the military is a good way to mitigate some of those activities, right? Those behaviors.

SPEAKER_01 10:16

I agree with you, but but then I also look at look at my family, my house. So that's this is what I can control. I make sure they understand what it takes and the sacrifices that we've made to put them in this position. The reason why they can do the things they want to do and go to these, you know, parties or go, you know, play all these different sports. And there's a a level of sacrifice that comes with it. And they see me waking up at six in the morning, going to work, staying late, working on weekends. They can see this. The same is true for your family hype and Larae's. So I can't just say ever, I'm just so cautious of just, you know, Larae has a different point of view, and I and she could say hers, but I'm just cautious about being like everybody. But to your point, the military can do that, can't help that.

SPEAKER_03 11:06

I got you. So let me challenge the room with that one. And there and let me let me capitalize on exactly what you're saying. Less than 1% of Americans serve, so you would assume that the descendants kind of have a natural understanding because they see the thing, right? But that's only less than 1% of those families. So if less than 1% of those Americans serve at that capacity, has the military become too disconnected from the public for the next generation to understand what the obligations are.

SPEAKER_00 11:35

Yes. And so I and I also want to be clear that Gen Z, I don't think we're talking about your age of children, Chief, right? So Gen Z is between 1997 and 2012. And I think we also got to go back to the basics of that question because I understand what you mean by your family and what you're teaching them, because I guarantee I'm also instilling the same thing in my girls. However, when we look at the individuals of 1997 to 2012, the reason that people like Dwight Howard and Rob Schneider are making these comments is because they're seeing that lack of work ethic. They're seeing that lack of structure, right? Dwight Howard, an NBA player who was in a sport, who has been an athlete all of his life. Okay, so he has been in a sport that has instilled that type of discipline and structure that not everybody has. People thinking that they can disrespect or not treat people equally or fairly. So those are the types of skills that they were talking about that they believe, apparently, that only the military can teach what we should, which we know is not the only organization exactly that can do that.

SPEAKER_03 13:10

Yeah. Yeah. And that and that's that's fair. We we were looked at like that as well, if you think about it. Our older generations looked at us and was like, what the heck is going on with this new generation? Right. It took a while for them to figure it out. So with this next generation, it's gonna take a bit to figure out where they're gonna take us. But I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be honest with you. Yeah, there's a common lack of uh common respect, you know, for for certain things. I've seen some some hints of entitlement. Again, me and Larrae as RTC instructors, we see those people. Uh, Chief, as a as a senior enlisted leader, I'm sure you've seen the new generation, and you're like, dude, are you serious? You had the audacity to do that? Like, y'all are bold as hell. I wouldn't even try any of that. Even after they joined the military, they try some shit. And it's crazy. And I'm like, what the hell's good? What's wrong with y'all? Where are y'all taking us? It might be an indication of where they're trying to go. They just haven't matured enough, and that's where they rely on us in order to mature them and shape them, and then say, okay, take that same energy and move it where you where we need to go. So it is there to a certain extent. But here's a here's a follow-up question for you guys. Would one or two years of service make Americans more united as a whole?

SPEAKER_01 14:20

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 14:21

That's a you guys gotta do it. Hi, guys, you on it. You have to do this. You on it. Would that unite you? I would say I oh go ahead, Glory. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 14:32

I was gonna say I do not believe so. Because now you're making an assumption that people are going to, regardless of voluntary or involuntary, that they are serving all for the right reasons, that they all have the right intentions and motivations. And that's not the case because we know some people are gonna take their personal vendettas or personal interests in certain activities and use the military as a vessel to build upon that. And it may or may not be for the benefit of the country. A lot of people can't even spell unity. I mean, do we really need to go back to the Queen Latifa?

SPEAKER_03 15:10

Yeah, oh man.

SPEAKER_00 15:12

So that's my take on it.

SPEAKER_01 15:15

Yeah, or Rick Jane. Rick Jane hit you in the head with the Unity ring. Uh my my my take is different than LaRay's. My take is yes, and the only reason I say yes is because let's say all intents and purposes, I never left New Orleans, Louisiana. I wouldn't have been exposed to the world that I've been exposed to that has given me additional perspectives that I otherwise wouldn't have gotten. So I think when you have exposure to different ethnicities, uh cultures, it just shapes you in a way that, in my opinion, makes you more tolerant and makes you more, it just makes you a better member of society. And that's just strictly my opinion on it. I just think if you see, you're like, well, this person cares about their family like I do. Or this person wants to do well as well. So it kind of debunks those stereotypical things that we see in movies, TV shows, and things of that nature. Because you actually get to interact with somebody, you're like, he don't just like chicken and watermelon. No, I don't actually. I actually like this. I I'm not gonna say force, but it's like, dude, I'm here, I'm around you, I have to get to know you. I don't have a choice, I have to work with you in this environment. If I if I'm stuck for two one or two years, I gotta work with you. You're in my section. Otherwise, I never would have worked with you.

SPEAKER_00 16:41

So are you assuming that I'm going to be based somewhere that's outside of my state if I'm reserves or national? No, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 16:49

So we so let me break this down. We know at every different zip code, you have certain sections of people that are relegated to different zip codes. And it's in the same and it's a it's a barrier such as a highway or the park or or train track that kind of like segregates these two sides, that they never interact.

unknown 17:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 17:14

And now you have broken that down and you're in the same state, and you gotta come together, and I gotta work with Billy Bob, and Billy Bob gotta work with Javante. And then Javante and Billy Bob actually become great friends because they're like, oh bro, I like drinking beer and I like the saints too. And now we cool. And then that never would have happened because Billy Bob don't go on this side of tracks, and Javante don't go on that side of the tracks. Now we have brought them together. And I'm not saying they might not hate each other anymore, but you just get an understanding of the culture and a person, and then you just see something a little bit different.

SPEAKER_03 17:47

Yeah. That makes sense. That 100% makes sense. That's one way that people can be united when you just mesh them together. Another way they can become united is the united. Like, I hate the fact that I was brought here. You know what I mean? I hate the fact that I was brought here too. They can do that too. And let's just wild out. You know what I mean? Like people are people. That's literally what the good conduct medal was built for. I don't know if you guys remember or know the history of that, but literally it was because people were drafted and I mandated you to do this thing. You didn't act a fool. Here's here's a medal for after three years. You know what I mean? Right. And that's why they discontinued it. They discontinued it and then they brought it back because people wanted it. But it was it was a draft tool. Anyway, it could unite you that way if you have an open mind or if you're moldable. Because some people are just not moldable. We talked about this before, Chief. Not all people who can serve in the military should because you just locked up, you locked up mentally, and you just, I don't know if the military could like break that ice. You know what I mean? Right. So there's there's that piece of it. So there are different ways that folks will unite. I think it would. I just think it could unite and it would unite in you know a few different ways. There's a different kinds of unity. I'm about to date myself.

SPEAKER_01 18:53

Remember this thing called correctional custody? Back in the day. Oh, dang. Hey, hey, look.

SPEAKER_03 18:58

Yeah, I remember CC. Yeah, keep it.

SPEAKER_01 19:00

So not jail, but as jail CC. You feel what I'm saying? Yeah. Oh, you can't assimilate into what we need. I remember my boy, bless his heart. Buddy got in trouble, buddy got an RD 15, buddy went away for 30 days, buddy came back, weighing as blue, sharp as I've never seen. Salute. I mean, it was, it was, hey. 30 days of that will change your life. So that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 19:26

Yeah, yeah. I remember CC.

SPEAKER_01 19:27

Well, you gotta break it out of people. Sometimes you will assimilate into this organization. And it ain't no other way but this way. I hate, and this is a tan. I hate the fact that they did away with it. Bring it back. And that might be another topic for another day, but go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 19:44

I mean, that that might be that'd be that might be a Sec War thing because Sec War said he's bringing in a lot of stuff back. Bring that back.

SPEAKER_01 19:51

I don't want to punish you to the point. Look, you can conform, but you made a knucklehead mistake and you don't want to show up on time and all this other stuff. I got something for you. 30 days, correctional custody, walking the line, breaking rocks. You won't want to serve. You won't show up at Gartmouth. No problems, no questions. Hey, I've seen to work today.

SPEAKER_03 20:15

I've seen a byproduct of CC. It is transforming. I've seen it, and it's crazy. I don't know what goes on back there, and I don't want to know. But I've seen the byproduct, and that you're right. They do fall in line. They'd be like, I'm glad to get up in this formation. Four o'clock to 4:30 at Keysler, no problem. I'm at the problem.

SPEAKER_01 20:31

Thank you, sir. I've seen another.

SPEAKER_03 20:33

I've seen it.

SPEAKER_01 20:34

That's what we need. You want to assimilate into what we got? Bet I got something for you. Commander got a lot of tools at their disposal. Go ahead and use it.

SPEAKER_03 20:43

Let's get to into the real world side of this, all right? From a military perspective, you guys. Would mandatory service actually improve readiness? Let me make sure I get this clear for you guys. When I think of readiness, I'm thinking about morale, unwilling troops, training bottlenecks, a leadership strain, housing, barracks, logistics, that kind of stuff. If we were to implement that 1st of January 2027, would that increase our readiness or would it decrease overall?

SPEAKER_01 21:13

Decrease, because our pipelines are already bottlenecked. I mean, you just said all the things right there. Guess what? MILCON always getting cut. We don't even have the barracks to hold the soldiers. Bottlenecks, training, bottlenecks. We don't have the instructor, the instructors, instructor capacity. The pipelines are already, they're dragged down. They're slow as it is. So we would have to take a while to beef back up that pipeline and that military apparatus to assimilate these additional troops. And it's not there right now. I'm not saying we can't do it, but on the front end, right as we speak right now, 1 January 2027, no, we can't, we can't handle it. We can't handle what we got right now.

SPEAKER_03 21:50

Yeah. That that's true. It comes to the fact of again, who's gonna pay the bill. Especially as Lorray is a potential and a future commander, that's the that's the thing she's gonna have to. Ask all the time. Okay, you guys want this? Who's paying for it? Because we we are supposed to be money managers. We're supposed to effectively manage the money at all costs, at least at our level. So when it comes to that, we're gonna always be asking that question. And man, that that bill is crazy. Who's paying that? Not only are we going to force you guys into military service, we're also gonna tax you. Because remember, you're paying your own paycheck. Yeah, you're paying for your own infrastructure. I'm getting at the common taxpayer to pay this. In your wallet. Yeah, exactly. Nothing. Zero. Common taxpayer is going to be an up in arms. We didn't ask for this. And now you go now. We gotta pay for it too. Whoa.

SPEAKER_01 22:36

Well, you did ask for it because you you got us in these wars.

SPEAKER_02 22:39

Right.

SPEAKER_03 22:40

But who votes on foreign policy though?

SPEAKER_01 22:42

You know, policy, the the Okay, that's okay.

SPEAKER_03 22:46

I got you.

SPEAKER_01 22:47

So we know exactly. So But I elected you or I didn't vote. You you know how many people show out to vote. Less than 20% of registered voters. Okay, so so now you you want to talk about taxes, you better get your ass up, or it's gonna keep happening.

SPEAKER_03 23:02

Yeah. There you go. Uh if so here's here's another comment on that, and it was kind of asked around. So if recruiting ever drops again, because Chief, you guys kind of mentioned that, you know, Larray, you kind of mentioned that. What is the backup plan? We're good. Air in space. But if that drops again, what's the backup plan? Because it's no mandatory service.

SPEAKER_01 23:22

It ain't no, it ain't no the backup plan is a conscription. That's a damn backup plan. If you don't hit your numbers, what would well first this was the first, all right? Let's be honest. All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna speak from a program manager, headquarters, magicom's perspective, and CFM type person. If we don't hit our numbers, we have several different levers we will try to pull. Here's one of them SRBs, selective reenlistment bonuses. Yeah, that's how people throw money at the problem. Then we say, okay, CJRs, career job reservations. Like, hey, everybody, you know, let's just keep everybody. Retraining, right? Let's increase that pipeline. Let's because we always undoubtedly have members serving in different AFSCs that want to serve in a different one. So let's let's open up that pipeline a little bit more. And then fourthly, increase the pipeline of people. Those are the ways, no kidding, they will pull the levers with inner service things. But if none of that works, then you go back to the hill. You go to Capitol Hill, you say, none is in working. We need some we need some people.

SPEAKER_03 24:28

With something drastic, you know. We got a lot of different things that we can do uh in order to, you know, retain. We can open the door a little bit more during the accessions process. Army just did that. They changed the age to 42. Air Force already did that, which is crazy. 42 is my age. You know what I mean? Here's the craziest part people are doing it. Folks are jumping in there, and there's like, man, I'm 40 years old and I just joined the military. I'm just like, man, that's so crazy. But it might be because of what we talked about last week. The economy is a mess, dude. It's rough out here in these streets. So I get it. Healthcare. So it's rough. Yeah, exactly. It's a lot. So I'm like, dude, I'm willing, I'm mature now. I get what you're saying now. So I think that there's a lot of things that we can put in place that we have have put in place, so we don't have to address it like that. If we put on mandatory service as a law, there's something really, really, really wrong to the point where we're just pulling, you know, 18 to 25, and now we have to, you know, open up all these logistics channels. We got to build all this infrastructure in order to instill it five or 10 years from now. That's just crazy. But I get what you're saying as far as that's concerned. So here's a follow-up question, and I had the whole audience think about this in the entire time as we've been having this conversation. Now I'm gonna bring up the official question for the table. So is it better to have 100 motivated volunteers or 1,000 unwilling conscripts?

SPEAKER_00 25:51

I'm always gonna go with quality over quantity. That's that's just how I feel. And I know that if we're if we're looking for numbers, if we're looking to meet certain recruiting goals, I understand that. But I want quality because if not, all we're gonna do is default to all the changes that we have made over the last one or two decades and we're gonna be right back where we started. So when we're talking about addressing types of cultures, right? Toxic culture, or when we talk about being able to meet certain mission or training requirements, or even readiness requirements, I would rather have more quality airmen than have a thousand unwilling airmen that may not unite. That was our our previous conversation. That's my take.

SPEAKER_01 26:38

My take is depends on the strategy. Because if I gotta take a beach head, I need a thousand people. I can't cut it with a hundred. It just, I mean, that that's what it comes down to. It comes down to the people who are planning and executing the war. I need that thousand people to execute my plan. So I don't have a choice but to take that. So that's that's kind of like where my mind goes to as a strategist. But to Larray's point, I do agree. Everything is equal. Give me a hundred willing participants versus non-willing.

SPEAKER_03 27:13

So jumping on that, I wanted to kind of get into the granularity of that 1,000 unwilling conscripts. There are a lot of people who, for whatever reason, they had to go into the military and they make the choice, but it was because of the environment or whatever the case may be that they that they made the choice to join the military. It was still like, I'm unwilling, but I have to do what I gotta do. And that happens. Those the that'll be some of the conditions of some of the that those 1,000. So what I would say is if I had to take 1,000 unwilling conscripts, then I would make it a particular effort, a strong effort to make sure that they got strong, motivated leaders in their environment to maybe convert some of those people. So maybe I started off with 1,000 unwilling conscripts, but I got the right people at all levels of their training and their preparedness and their readiness to align them to what we're trying to do and make them a better person. So maybe at the end, I don't I don't get 1,000 willing volunteers, but maybe I get 500. Maybe I get 120. Maybe I get 300. It's more than that 100 because you gave me more volume and I had more time and I had the right quality of people. Now, if I threw those 1,000 unwilling conscripts into the toxic environments that we know for sure we've been through, okay. Now you're gonna have a problem. Now you're gonna have dissent. Now you're gonna have betrayal. Now you're gonna have all these other things because they are fed up. They didn't even ask for it. If I mandated you, then it is my job to make sure that I provide like quality, you know, training, environment, quality people, people that matters to walk you through that. Do I understand you're not a willing participant, but ma'am, as God is my witness, I'm gonna make sure that you you understand why all the way through the way. It's not like I'm gonna treat you nice. No, I'm gonna give you the purpose and the why, and I'm gonna align you and hold in with hopes that you understand and you become a better quality person and you unite because you want to unite, because I'm forcing you and I'm you know CCing you necessarily. But at the end, hey, that is a thing, maybe, but I don't have to do that because you eventually got to the point where you understood and is like, look, I still don't get along with this, but I I I understand.

SPEAKER_00 29:21

Right.

SPEAKER_03 29:22

Cool, I'm gonna do that. And maybe you get 500 of those because you we put the right framework in place to take care of those people. Right. You're not gonna get everybody, but you're gonna get probably more if you actually put the right framework in play.

SPEAKER_00 29:36

And build on that by communicating, hey, and even if you still don't want to be here, at least you were able to benefit and get something out of it. Those soft skills, those hard skills that are necessary in any industry that you work in.

SPEAKER_03 29:49

Yeah. So speaking of Gen Z, because like that's a big thing. When we were Ratsi, he made sure you understood at Ratsi, especially that for purpose. Why? If you don't have a purpose and why you shouldn't be doing whatever you're doing, you are wrong. You have to be able to explain it. Why? Because Gen Z's all about that. Why are we doing this? Before I've made any instruction at all, I told my folks, you deserve to know the purpose and the why. Those are two different things. So that they can connect to it a little bit better. They can wrap themselves around it. So that's what Gen Z needs. You have to spend the time. It's not the same generation anymore. Where my mom told me to do it, and I'm gonna do it. For me, yes, absolutely. But these days, it's like, okay, I uh you're asking me to do it. Will I do it? Probably. But if I would do it better if I had the reason, the purpose, and everything else. Like that's what Gen D needs from the jump. They need that from the jump. So spend that time to make sure you get that. And if you were to put in mandatory service, they need that purpose. They need that why. Right from the jump. Because they already don't trust the establishment. They all they have so much information. They have us as a body of evidence. They they don't want to be a part of it. And I get it. So you if you're gonna instill some kind of law like that, then you need to have purpose and why. I think that's so important, especially for Gen Z and beyond. I kind of do want to jump into Gen Z and throw a question to you guys. How do you guys think that Gen Z actually hears this conversation? Do you think they hear patriotism or do you think they hear pressure? What's you what do you guys think? Pressure. Pressure, no doubt.

SPEAKER_01 31:21

Pressure.

SPEAKER_03 31:22

Just unanimous across the board. They don't hear none of that. Patriot? What is that? Yeah, what is that? What is that? Yeah, absolutely, 100%.

SPEAKER_00 31:30

Why do I have to do this again?

SPEAKER_01 31:32

Yeah. Like you said, the why. The reason why you got to do it is because of CC. Because that's that's looming over the back of your butt. You sneak. You want to go to jail, you want to go home? You want to go to jail, you want to go to the barracks? I don't want to go to PC. C. I because I don't want to be in CC. So you got the purpose and the why right there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:49

This generation was were born with iPads and born with information. They're born with the internet. So they have access to information, whether it's good information, bad information, whatever, they'll find any reason to question some things. That's just what they do. Gen Z, you know, kind of like we kind of talked about it. They they want autonomy. They like to kind of do their own thing. They have natural trust issues. Definitely mental health, yeah, they definitely own some other stuff because we don't we don't know where they're taking us yet, but they have different things going on in their lives. And it's it's it does mess with them. So, of course, we have the economic uncertainty of what's going on in the Middle East and the great power competition. They don't even know what that is. They're just skeptics overall. They're just skeptics because they have the information at their fingertips and they actually dare to look at it and they dare to ask. So we have to front load the why and the purpose. We have to do that. With that, could somebody argue, though, that structure and discipline are exactly what some of these young people need?

SPEAKER_01 32:46

Absolutely. 100%.

SPEAKER_03 32:49

With all that stuff going on, that that that could be that that could be fixed with discipline. That could be fixed with some discipline. Push Texas.

SPEAKER_01 32:57

I mean, it could discipline is a hell of a drug. It'll get you through. It'll take care of you. It will be. It'll get you get you to the point where you need to be. It will change fundamentally who you are as a person if you subscribe to it.

SPEAKER_03 33:09

I wanted to kind of get this question out. With all the things that we talked about at discipline, is the military the right place to instill that discipline that we are missing in common society? Is that the military's obligation to do so?

SPEAKER_00 33:22

It is not the military's obligation. It can be the right place, but it should not be your first encounter with structure and discipline. Because if it is, you're doing something wrong. Throughout our childhood, there are so many opportunities to instill that through your academics, through your actual curricular activities, through your sports, through playing an instrument. When we talk about following through with something, you started something, you're gonna finish it. When I was seven years old, I asked my mother, could I start playing the piano? She said, Yes, you can, but under one condition, you have to play it until you finish high school. Well, all right then. So you know, that's what we talk about with discipline structure. But military should not be and is not the only venue for that. There are many other organizations, fraternities, sororities, healthcare, 4-H. I love 4-H. I will always advocate for 4-H. Uh, and I'm sure there are a plethora of others that you in chief can share with us, but no, it can be the right place, but it is not the only right place.

SPEAKER_03 34:27

Yeah, absolutely. I couldn't say it better. I agree. Yeah. Either you're gonna get it from those positive locations, or you're gonna get it from the negative locations. Talk about the streets, talk about prison, talk about it. Wait, it's discipline there too, right? Oh, there's some discipline there too. Oh, absolutely, there's some discipline there. Let's say you're out there in the streets and you you cross one of these people that you work for dealing drugs or whatever the case may be. You cross them, yeah, you're gonna get discipline real quick.

SPEAKER_01 34:52

Remember big worm? Remember big worm, remember the heck man.

SPEAKER_02 34:57

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 34:58

I got 50 bucks out of a couple 20s around the corner. Go ahead and give me that. You know I sold lead. You know I sold lead. Well, give me my money. It's discipline in a lot of different facets. Good and bad.

SPEAKER_03 35:11

You gonna get it no matter what. And I think that's what Ms. Rob Schneider and Jawai Howard and people like him are trying to get at. We want more positive discipline. Everybody just sees the military and they're just like, man, that's just top-notch. You know what I mean? I got it. But like Larae said, it's not the only location. You can start early. And like the earlier you start, the more instilled it is, and the more it, you know, it gets to that point where it's like, oh, well, the military is a disciplined place. This comes from a place of discipline. I can go there and I can I'm I'm pretty sure I could do pretty well. And it builds on your discipline. So I think that there's more solutions to that. But let's get a little bit deeper into this conversation. America is built on freedom and personal choice. So, can a country built on liberty require military service? Is this even realistic? And before you guys answer, we already have like obligations such as taxes, jury duty, selective service, registration. Why should national defense be different? What do you guys think?

SPEAKER_00 36:07

Well, now you made it a little bit more difficult now that you brought in those other factors like taxes. Oh, yeah, which we still don't always agree with. Yeah, you know. So I could I don't know, because I could give the canned answer of, well, we're a democracy, which means that we are for the people and it should be a voluntary force. And people should not be mandated to serve. But then when you started bringing in those other items, I'm like, well, shouldn't I be mandated to be do all these other things that I don't want to do?

SPEAKER_03 36:38

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:39

It's uh it's uh it's a slippery slope.

SPEAKER_03 36:44

It's kind of crazy. Can a country, what do you think, Chief? Can a country built on liberty, freedom to do whatever, require military service? Is that realistic? Or is that one of those things that's just like you know, double standards? What do you think?

SPEAKER_01 36:59

It could be viewed as a double standard, but liberty has many different meanings to many different people. And what I'm gonna say is this can be interpreted as a cost of a free society. And technically, it is. Look over the history of the United States, it's paid for and bought through blood. So this from the beginning. But whether right, wrong, or ugly, it's the next step of that. So we we gotta understand that. Dude, you want liberty? Hey, give me liberty or give me death. Guess what? Now it's time. And when you gotta pay, you gotta pay. When it's time to pay, you gotta pay. I I just think it it's an evolution of what you have to do as a free society. Do you want to continue to have capitalism, be able to do what you want to do when you want to do it, how you want to do it, go where you want to go, and all this other stuff? You gotta pay for some kind of way. And some of the ways are taxes, some of the ways are jury duty, so and also military service.

SPEAKER_03 37:56

I think the biggest thing is again, we're going back to that purpose and why. Like, if I gotta do that, I need to understand it. And you're never gonna understand it because there's information's everywhere and it's segmented and fragmented on purpose so that we we can't know everything. But they at least have the common understanding of the purpose and why. For GY, we we had 9-11 with the new generation, they must have a solid understanding so they can get behind it and not like be fragmented or be conflicted with what they're doing. That's the question: Does citizens come with the responsibility beyond their rights? That's a thick one. And and those listening, let us know in the comments what you guys think about that. I'm gonna ask it again. Does citizenship come with responsibility beyond rights? That it depends. I'm sure you're gonna be like, yeah, it depends on what's what the situation is. So that's one of those common ones that you guys already kind of like kind of nipped on. But I wanted to make sure that the the viewers understand. Okay. So, next question. Let's address the elephant in the room. I want to address that real quick. How much weight should policy opinions carry when they come from people who have never served or don't have the actual experience? Because I'm saying this because, you know, we have high-profile people like, you know, Dwight Howard or Rob Schneider or anybody else that has their opinion on that, as everybody else has. But I'm asking you guys, people who have walked the walk and talked the talk, when it comes to this, you know, how much weight does that carry when they're talking to you guys about these kinds of things?

SPEAKER_01 39:28

I I think it has to carry some weight because we live in a free society where your opinion matters. Your voice needs to be heard. Celebrities have a strong opinion about this and they want it to be, you know, they have a following and they want to say, hey, well, this is this is my opinion on it. Then more power to them. Everybody should should weigh in as much as they can.

SPEAKER_00 39:46

But I agree that they should be able to use their platform. However, this topic is very much different than someone advocating for animal rights or gun laws. When we're talking about military service, I would prefer you speak from a place of experience. But again, you can use your platform, but doesn't mean it has to carry any weight with me.

SPEAKER_03 40:11

Gotcha. Yeah. I think in of course, especially in this country where we we practice freedom of speech, everybody's opinions matters. To Lorrae's point, where she's saying Dwight Howard or or whomever, the any celebrity that says, hey, I think this, then you grab somebody who was actually drafted, ask them the same question. Who has more weight? Who has more skin in the game? The person who probably went through the process. Not saying your opinion doesn't count, but if I'm I'm trying to weigh the and assess the actual situation, I'm gonna look at the person who went through the process a little bit more and consider that a little bit more, and then go from there. Not saying I'm ignoring the other opinions, I'm just saying who has more skin in the game, right? And that person might, they might agree. Hey, this was that thing saved my life. It could be one of those things. But it could be, man, that thing set me up. I saw things I wasn't supposed to see. It could be that too. So we want to make sure that we we um spend the time that say, hey, we're not crapping on anybody. We respect everybody's opinion and where they come from. Everybody deserves that, regardless of whatever. We we appreciate that the fact that the celebrities look to the military when it comes to discipline. That's dope. Thanks. That's a compliment to me. 100%. Yeah, that's the fact that you said, man, where can these people get this discipline? Because they are lacking it, man. The military. That's dope. That means we're doing our job. That means that we're doing what we're supposed to do. But like we kind of said before, is it the only thing? We say you can find other things to do. But we're gonna we are problem solvers. So we're gonna kind of solve that later on as we get down uh the road. Well, here's the thing big close here as we wrap up this argument with this argument. If not military, if not mandatory military service, what should America require from its citizens? And we're talking about alternatives. I know, and I like kind of like what B was trying to get at in U2 Lorray, where, you know, maybe not necessarily active duty, but maybe guard reserve. You're you're obligated to your state, or you you have that traditional guard reserve. I kind of like that idea. Active duty, maybe not so much, but maybe you have obligations to your state and you still get that same level of discipline because we train them to the same level of discipline. We train them to the same level. They get trained and then they go home and then and then they do natural disasters in their state. They can participate in certain humanitarian assignments. Dope. Love that. So I kind of wanted to jump on that B and Larray and let you know that that kind of changed my perspective as well. It depends on how you use it and how you weaponize it. And if it's for humanitarian, straight-up guard kind of duties and obligation, man, it's dope. And if I need you for federal service, I can do that. I like that. But when it comes to other alternatives, what do you guys think? Because if I give the common people some answers, what do you guys think the alternatives could be out there?

SPEAKER_01 42:49

To your point, you know, one one big thing I'm thinking of Peace Corps.

SPEAKER_03 42:52

Or some Peace Corps.

SPEAKER_01 42:54

Some kind of place where, you know, the one play, the one thing that I really respect about Megan, my wife, and something that she did, is her like the thing that she wanted to do was go to an underprivileged school and teach. You know, she got her education and she was like, you know, I want to teach here where the people, the vast majority of people, are not privy to good educators. And she was like, that's that's my niche. That's what I want to do. There's a multitude of different ways you can do it. And I don't want people to think about it just inside of one box, but it could be something as simple as, hey man, I'm a mechanic in the National Guard, and every other weekend, once a month, I do break jobs for old ladies in the neighborhood. I mean, it it just give me something, give me some kind of service. Like I think in general, you know, when we talk about this big thing called discipline, we really are getting at just people just understanding the human condition and being amenable to helping others and not being only housed all you know in our own boxes because military service. You know, it it's a lot of sacrifice in it. But really, what we're getting at is, hey man, dude, you see somebody on the street struggling, you just help them just because not expecting anything in return. So that's why I say that's why I bring up that mechanic thing. I'm an air national guard or a national guard. I'm a mechanic, and you know what? I do this for old ladies, or I'm a lawyer in the National Guard, and I do wills for you know people that are underprivileged. Yeah, yeah, and it don't necessarily be underprivileged, it could just be I'm doing this for this sector of this community. I kind of want to see a kind of go back to that kind of service, just the service aspect.

unknown 44:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:38

And I think that's what they're trying to get back to is one of the big reasons or primary reasons people join the military is to become part of something bigger than themselves. So, in that sense, I would say that another recommendation could be FEMA or something with natural disasters, because not only are you providing a unique set of skills that that uh make you able to help people during natural disasters, that is something that you can bring back. That is something that you will always have with you, that is something that is always helpful, helping people in very different situations, having that disaster preparation. So, again, another aspect of stealing that discipline and that purpose of being a part of something bigger than yourself.

SPEAKER_03 45:20

Yeah. I think that those are really, really good solutions. Just because there's a mandate doesn't mean all people will serve because people have medical issues. Maybe they can't medically because they have, you know, sickle cell, full, full disease. They can't serve. But maybe there's some kind of other obligation that says, hey, like you said, Peace Corps, like those other ideas. And I think that the states should be able to take that off the federal government and say, you know what? The state of Idaho has this mandatory obligation. These are the things, these are your options of what you can do. Now, at this point, you have a choice. So that if you can't do military service for whatever, that's not your thing, cool, you can hit any of these categories. But at the end of the day, we have to provide service to ourselves, to our state, to our citizens, to our community. You have that obligation. And I think through that, you can build the discipline frameworks. Yes, sir, no, ma'am, all those kinds of things that you're supposed to have that we are lacking. I think that's what they're getting at. It's like we're lacking that, that service commitment to ourselves so we can be better people, better Americans. I understand what they're getting at. And I think what you guys laid out is a perfectly good framework. I think it should be instilled by the states that that says, okay, if you don't want to do federal service, that's great. You know, but the states can, in order to benefit themselves, could could instill that framework and say these are you know obligations that the state, you know, you require you're required to have a driver's license in order to drive. Well, you require this in order to you know give back to your local communities. And I think that'll help build that up.

SPEAKER_01 46:44

So it's an overwhelming thing, right? It doesn't have to be something crazy, but just some sort of framework that kind of instills that discipline. Like we said, like I my obligation to my state, my community, my you know, overall city is this. And for an X amount of time, it doesn't have to be indefinite, but I need you to have some skin in the game.

SPEAKER_03 47:08

I help kids cross, you know, get safely from school home. Fine. You know what I mean? Like I'm a security forces member. That's kind of what I do. I gave you the framework so that you can safely escort these kids in what you would probably see as a bad neighborhood, as a rough neighborhood, so that the kids feel protected, cleans up the neighborhoods, and people have service obligations. So it might be one of those things. Like it there could be some good fruit to that. But again, that's a conversation that we would have to discuss a little bit more with those people who, with the citizens, like you said, who vote. They said this is what we want. We want this. So it would have to be one of those things that we work out with work out with the common citizens first, and then it goes to the politicians, and then it goes where it needs to go and then get instilled. So, man, really good discussion, y'all. I love that. It was really, really dope, man. We want to try to understand that that you know, military service is a great source of discipline, but it's not the only thing that you can do in order to get discipline, all right? Remember, discipline starts at the cradle. So we have to implement that. You got all kinds of things that you guys can do in order to instill that discipline. We understand that's expensive and it's tough times. We understand, man. I got it. But make sure that you guys do your best, and that's all you can do in order to make sure that we instill that discipline, and we hope with that they say, oh, you know what? You know, like me, I have this level of discipline, but I want a higher level of discipline. And I'm gonna not maybe not the military, but maybe something else that in order to sharpen that so I can give back to the community. So make sure you guys drop your thoughts in the comments. Now that you got a little bit of data, give us new data. Remember the question: should service be required or should freedom include the freedom not to serve? At the end of the day, you make the call, okay? Remember, guys, our opinions are our own, don't reflect any kind of government agency. So I don't want to hear that in the comments. I'm not trying to be up in PA's office, okay? That's just us. We just we. Okay? We know your time is precious, and we appreciate you guys just hanging out with us for the time that you guys have. We are always looking for new viewers and new follows, so make sure you spread the word. Last reminder is to listen. L S S-C N. That's like, subscribe, share, comment, notifications, activation. We are on YouTube, Facebook, IG, TikTok, Buzz Sprout, wherever you get your podcasts. Man, thank you guys so much. We're gonna see y'all next week. We're gonna have a whole new topic for y'all to discuss. Let's go ahead and open the vault and bring in the outro. See y'all later. Peace.