Momfuel & Mindset - SEASON 2: Episode 5 - Wild Womb

MomFuel & Mindset Podcast | Featuring Kyli Deinarovich

Everyone talks about preparing for the baby but who prepares moms?

In this episode, childbirth educator and Wild Womb founder Kyli Deinarovich joins us for a powerful conversation about maternal mental health, self-advocacy, and the often-overlooked transition into motherhood.

We discuss the challenges moms face, the importance of building a strong support system, and how to confidently navigate pregnancy, birth, postpartum, and beyond.
This is the conversation every mom deserves to hear. 💛🎙️

👉 Check out Kyli's resources, website, and ways to connect with her below!

Website: wildwomb.mykajabi.com
IG: @wild.womb.kyli 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

We're back. It's your mom friends. I'm Chrissy. And I'm Jess. And on this episode, we're gonna chat with Kylie, founder of Wild Womb, Childbirth Educator, and Mom of Two. Kylie shares how her own pregnancy and birth experiences inspired her passion for helping families feel informed, empowered, and supported through their parenting journey. We dive into maternal mental health, self-advocacy, navigating the transitions of motherhood, and the importance of building a strong support system along the way. This is an honest and encouraging conversation for moms in every stage of the journey. Welcome to the podcast, Kylie. Thanks for hanging out with us today.

SPEAKER_02 0:57

Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_01 0:58

I'm so excited to be here. Will you, let's just dive right in. Will you share with us a little bit about who you are, where you're from, and what made you say yes to coming on this podcast?

SPEAKER_02 1:08

Well, I'm from Utah, but currently I'm in Portland, Oregon. We moved here a year ago. So that's been exciting. And I am a mom to two. And prior to that, I was a firefighter EMT for almost a decade. And I worked on labor and delivery as a surgical and labor tech as well. And that's where I fell in love with birth and parenting and everything. Actually, that's where I decided that I wanted to be a mom, was working on labor and delivery. But prior to that, I worked on an ambulance as a firefighter EMT. And that gave me a lot of experience with mental health crises and really seeing just how big of an epidemic it is. And so my big passion, especially since my journey of becoming a mom and struggling with postpartum mood disorders, I had a slew of them. I had postpartum depression, postpartum anxiety, postpartum OCD, and postpartum rage. So really, really struggled. And I just that made me so passionate about helping people. I've always been about helping people since I worked on the ambulance, but that's what drove me specifically to want to work with parents, not just moms, parents, because it affects both parents. My husband actually had postpartum depression as well. And I want to help families mitigate their risk of having postpartum mood disorders and help them through it if they do develop one. And I wanted to be on this podcast because I listened to your podcast. And I remember the very first episode. I just, because I've listened to all of them. I listened to the very first one. And I just was like, we are on the same mission. We are on the same mission to help parents and help their mental health. Because ultimately, this is a side note, I grew up in a highly abusive household. My mom didn't want me. And I've come to the realization since becoming a parent that I believe a lot of it was due to her mental health. I think she had very, very severe mental health issues after giving birth to me and my brother and my sister. And because of the times and the stigmatization of society, and we I grew up in Utah, the Mormon church and their, I don't know, perfect family view, you know, I think she really struggled to get help. I don't think she had the access. I don't think she had the resources or the even the knowledge that there was help. And I think that carried on throughout her life because she never had that. And I think that it's so important because our mental health as parents affects our children for the rest of their lives. And it's our responsibility to ourselves because we deserve happiness and we deserve hope and joy in our lives. And so do our kids. They deserve to see us have happiness and hope and joy because that's going to teach them that they deserve happiness, hope, and joy. I love all of this.

SPEAKER_00 3:48

Yeah. I mean, so much what you said, I mean, it's generational, right? And it's the way that your mom was raised and how her parents were raised. It's generational. And I truly believe Jess and I say this all the time. We're doing the best we can with what we have. And when we know better, we can do better. And so I think sometimes mental health is the true problem. And once you know that that's the problem, then you know what type of help you might need to get treatment for it. And then you can do better. But until you know that, and oftentimes that's your norm. That's a family's cultural norm to live in that dysfunction or fight and flight or whatever it is. And I don't want to label it or make it sound good or bad or anything. I'm just saying, like when you live in that and you don't know anything else, it's hard to know what else there is out there. And that there's life beyond the survival.

SPEAKER_01 4:36

Sure. Or even being okay, because we can know, but like Kylie talked about, the stigmatisms around being okay with getting help, being okay with asking, being okay with saying I'm not okay and I need help and I need support. I think sometimes we even know that we need it, but we we're too scared to speak up. We're scared of what that one will make us look like, even to our family, our friends, but also too, I know that there's real fear about like, if I say that I'm not okay, will they take my kids? Will somebody, you know, feel like they are going to report me or the school's gonna say something or you know, there's like real fear around what that does to your family and your kids. Like, will somebody come in and and you know, call a protective services or something like that? So I know that there's there's a lot of fear around speaking up around this exact topic. Will you, with what you're comfortable with, share a bit about your postpartum journey and that you spoke to, you know, the depression and the anxiety and the rage and what that looked like for you and what the point was in which you were like, I need some support, or I need what did that journey look like?

SPEAKER_02 5:48

Yes. So with my first, she first of all, I had a really hard pregnancy. I my thyroid failed almost immediately. I had severe depression to the point that they almost wanted to involuntarily admit me because no one knew that my thyroid was failing at this point. They just thought I was severely depressed. And then they finally tested my thyroid, and your TSH is only supposed to be around like below three when you're pregnant. Mine was 60 by the time they tested me. And so that was a major cause of my severe depressive disorder. And then later in my pregnancy, I was in a massive, almost deadly car crash at 29 weeks and four days. And that caused predromal labor. We were able to stop the delivery of my baby and keep her in, but it did cause predroma labor that would come on anytime I did anything. I mean anything. If I walked too far, I had to stop work and it was exhausting. And so it was just a really hard journey throughout pregnancy. And then postpartum, my beautiful daughter, she did not sleep. And I know that parents are like, oh, my baby doesn't sleep through the night. And I think that that rings true for a lot of people. However, there are some people like myself who genuinely mean they they do not sleep. She never slept more than 30 minutes at a time, day or night. And sleep deprivation is a form of torture. So me and my husband were going absolutely crazy. And we were exhausted. And we finally came up with a system where I would sleep from 9 p.m. to one in the morning, and I would just know that he had it. And then he would sleep from one in the morning until he had to leave for work. And that way we could get kind of a chunk kind of of sleep because it was every half hour she was up for two years. She just didn't sleep. And it turns out she has pretty severe autism. And I guess that's a driving factor. I guess that's common with autistic kids. And now she takes melatonin. They do recommend it for autistic kids because the benefits of actually sleeping is greater than the risk of taking melatonin regularly. Like they need sleep to grow. And that's helped a lot. But I remember that freshly postpartum, I was feeling really okay for the first three months. And then it was very sudden. And I think that's a something that a lot of people don't know is you can actually develop postpartum mood disorders anytime through the postpartum period. And postpartum is typically up to a year, but they do consider it through breastfeeding. So if you're breastfeeding, your postpartum is considered all the way until you wean. And so three months in, there was one night where I just she started screaming. And I just remember something in me was so upset. Like there was rage. I was physically shaking. And I just like kind of slapped Alex awake and was like, you have to deal with it. I'm gonna hurt her. Like I can't, I can't. Serendipitously, I had an appointment with my doctor that day. So luckily, I just had to suffer for a few hours. I removed myself from the situation because when you get to that point, parents, you just need to leave for the safety of your child. Because no, I don't, I don't believe that most parents intend to hurt their children when they do.

unknown 8:47

Correct.

SPEAKER_02 8:48

I believe they're too scared to walk away. And that's when damage happens. And I have been on those calls. I have seen what can happen when you don't walk away. And it is devastating to everyone involved. And so I walked away, I left, and I went to my doctor's appointment and they got me on meds. And I didn't want to be on meds, but the fear of hurting my child was greater. The risk, it outweighed the risk of taking meds. So I ended up taking meds, and that helped a lot. I still had the anxiety, I still had the OCD. So OCD is not what people think necessarily. It's not necessarily always counting or tapping or whatever. It's also repetitive thoughts. And so I had very repetitive, anxious thoughts. Like, are they breathing? Are they? And I would like, because I worked on the ambulance, I could physically see my child like stop breathing, even though she was totally fine. I was having like straight up hallucinations of her turning blue. And I had to get to the point where I had to ask my husband, is this real? Is she really okay? And as soon as he would say, Yeah, she's okay, it would kind of dissipate. But I just had these like intense thoughts of her not being okay from emergencies I had seen in my past. And then there's the rage. That honestly didn't hit me in my first pregnancy, I don't think, other than that one night as much as it did in my second. My my second, that postpartum I had a lot of rage, a lot of rage. I also had severe depression throughout my second pregnancy. And you can get like perinatal depression and anxiety, and you can take medication for help. So I I strongly advocate for any when I teach people and I discuss with parents during their pregnancy. I strongly recommend that during your pregnancy, you set up an appointment with a therapist or a psychiatrist for after your estimated due date. So I say take your estimated due date, move it out a week or two. And then if you don't need it or you haven't had your baby, reschedule and do that until you're out of the postpartum period. Because if you need it, you're too deep in it to go through insurance and figure out who's covered. You're too deep in it to even have the capacity to make the phone call. That happened to me in my first. When I snapped, I just happened to be lucky that I had a doctor's appointment that day because I did not have the capacity. There was, there was nothing in me that would have been able to look into insurance, make a call. And oftentimes they're booked out a ways. There's not enough providers. And so you want to make that appointment while you're pregnant to take care of postpartum you. And you can reschedule over and over and over again if you don't need it. But if you do need it, it's good to just have it on the books. So that that was my journey. I got angry. I had hallucinations. I didn't have postpartum psychosis, and that is a medical emergency. I did not have that, but I did have the OCD with like mild hallucinations of oh my gosh, is she breathing? She looks blue to me, or is she having an anaphylactic reaction to whatever? It was rough. And then at six months postpartum is when my husband had his mental breakdown. And that's when he got postpartum depression. And his was really, really scary. And I just remember one morning he was so angry and he was just slamming doors and cupboards. And I got up, and because of my abusive childhood, I was immediately defensive and I was like, What's going on? Like, don't come near my baby, mama bear out. And he was just like, All I think about now is taking a pew pew in to the face. And I was just immediately, as a responder that has seen that, was like, my God. And he left for work and I was panicking. And I called to make sure he was actually at work, and he was actually at work. And I went through my entire house and removed all our arms because I was terrified. And we got him in and he got on medication, and that got better. But I just think it's so important to iterate that it doesn't always happen immediately. And it's not always just the mom. Dads can get it too. And the number one killer of postpartum moms, well, not even postpartum moms, pregnant and postpartum moms, is a mental health crisis, whether that is homicide or suicide. And so we need to take this seriously for both parents. Both parents need support because it is literally killing us.

SPEAKER_00 12:52

Yeah. I mean, there's a lot there. And I love the one thing I want to kind of go back to is your thoughts around going to therapy after you have a baby. And my question is like, why isn't that part of the care that they receive already? And like with your with your OBGYN and setting that up ahead of time during because you you see a doctor every so many months. Right? Like you're going every week at the end. But like it should be talked about your first pregnancy, you know what I mean? The first time you go there and you learn that you're pregnant, and because your body goes through so many changes, your family's going through a change, your work's going to change, your lifestyle is going to change, all these things. Like, why isn't this talked about? So and maybe it is, maybe it is for the people that are higher risk, but not for the people that are, you know, professionals in the community. To be able to make the decisions that we do. But like you said, when you're in that moment, you don't have the capacity to do it. I'm a therapist and I've had babies, and I wasn't a therapist when I had babies. I could tell you, like, I've been a professional for many, many years and throughout all of my children's births, and I wouldn't have had the capacity to reach out had I needed it. Because you are sleep deprived, your whole life is changing. You're not working, you're trying to figure out bills, you're trying to figure out your new lifestyle.

SPEAKER_01 14:16

It's interesting when we talk about this stuff now. It's like, oh my gosh, so much makes sense of my post-babies. Like my marriage, I let it negatively impact my marriage. And even years later, but it started then. I was resentful. And and now talking about how it impacts the guys, like I didn't even think about how he was feeling after having babies, how his whole life just changed. Now he's responsible for all this. Like I never even thought about how having how postpartum affected my husband. And now it's so interesting to go back and and see how everything just makes sense now, how everything played out. I get it. Like I we we totally experienced different pieces of this, but we have nobody telling us. I joke all the time and say, I want to write a book that's like what to actually expect when expecting, because they don't teach you the stuff that you need to know. And this is exactly it. Like we went to Lamas, like we went to like learn how to push and breathe, and which I didn't do any of that anyway. And so but like the stuff that you really need to know, the stuff that they don't tell you about, and then they like I laughed. I'm like, I'm not ready. And they hand me this like eight-pound baby, and they're like, All right, good luck. You know, like that's it. It does, I just don't think that they set us up for success when it comes to mental health, and mental health should be more important than Lama's class and breathing. You know what I mean? To me, it just is we're doing moms no justice or dads, because like you said, dads are too a part of this, and we're not doing them any justice. We're just having kids and then we're trying to figure it out as we go. And I let 10 years of life beat me up and and I let things crumble. I you I turned to alcohol, I took my marriage was in shambles, and that's I truly believe all started. My life changed when I had a baby, and I had no idea what to do. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:09

Yeah, we are definitely doing our parents disservice. We're focusing on very important things. Don't don't get me wrong. It is important to, it's a life-changing moment. You want to prioritize your dream birth. You you want to know what to expect in that way. But the other aspect to that is you you had access to a Lamaz class. There are plenty of people that just are winging it all together. And I I've made it my life's mission. Okay, this is my new life's mission ever since having kids to help families with their mental health and their experience of growing their families. So I'm actually creating an app right now. You said, how do we make this normal? And I'm trying to. I'm trying to. That is that is what my app is for. Is I am, it's gonna be launched this year. We're in the development phase right now. But what it's gonna include is it's going to include education because right now, people are getting their education from either classes that take a lot of time and a lot of money, which makes them inaccessible to many, or they're getting it from social media, from Dr. Who knows what? Who knows if they're real? They might not be real. And that spreads misinformation and it creates distrust and you don't know where to look or what to believe, and it's just a mess. So my app is heavily focused on education because I believe that the biggest thing you can do to prevent birth trauma, and if you, or at least lessen your risk of birth trauma, and birth trauma is a huge factor in mental health, is be educated. Be educated on what to expect because that gives you power and autonomy over your body. So, and I'm not talking about Lamas necessarily, I'm talking about like the real stuff, like what to expect when you arrive at the hospital? Where do you go? What gets you admitted? What options are available to you? Do you have options to nitrous oxide? Do you have options to birth in a water, a water birth, or can you just labor in the water birth? Is there an anesthesiologist on site 24 hours a day? I get there's so many families that don't even realize that that isn't the standard everywhere. And if there is not an anesthesiologist when you want your epidural that's there, you are going to have to wait and you are going to have to cope. And that matters. That matters. You need to prepare for that. It can be really traumatizing if you're like, my birth plan's an epidural, and you go in at two in the morning and there's not an anesthesiologist there, and you're left for an hour, two hours waiting for an anesthesiologist to arrive, you know? So we have education on that is scrollable like social media so that it's in bite-sized for like bite-sized clips so that you can do it when you have time instead of carving out an entire weekend to learn. So you can scroll, it feels like social media, but we vet every single person that's going to be uploading their educational content for their license, their certifications, and that they're working in their field. And then we also make sure that it's not algorithm-driven the way that social media is. It is not a popularity contest. If you find someone that you learn really well from, you can follow them and that will prioritize in your feed. And you're going to be seeing people that are closest to you first. And the reason that we do this is because we want to set you up for success to find providers that are near you so that when you do need help from a doula, from pelvic floor therapist, from a relationship coach to help you through your marriage after. If you need a therapist, you're seeing the content that the people close to you are creating. And those people are also on our marketplace that's on the app. So you can see their content, be like, oh, I resonate with this person. I'm starting to build trust with this person. I like their message. I think I could work with that. You can go to our marketplace on our app and schedule an appointment with them on the app. You can get care and build trust all in one place. And then we also have community because community is important, but there's two different types of community that I think are important. The first type is what everyone thinks of and that we're all really disappointed in. And that's the community that shows up, the community that brings you the food, the community that mows your lawn, does your laundry, cleans your house. And we actually on our app have a feature that makes this way more fun. It's slightly passive aggressive, and it's just kind of you can send a calendar with a list of things you come up with that you want help with. Like if you want meals, you can put that on there. If you want someone to come mow your yard in the middle of summer, you can put that on there. If you want someone to come do laundry, you can put that on there. And you can send this calendar to your family and friends that are close to you, and they can just sign up to come help you. And everyone can see it. So you're not gonna have double lasagnas on Wednesday. You're gonna, they can see that someone's already bringing you a meal that day. And it just makes it more of the standard, I think, for people to be like, okay, we're gonna start showing up for our parents. We're gonna, we're not just gonna show up and be like, where's the baby? Like it creates the standard and expectation of, no, I need support as a parent. Yes, we're excited about the baby. We want you to see the baby. And the priority is helping me through this difficult time. And then the other community feature we have, the other type of community that I think is important is community that truly understands what you're going through. So not every person is going to have a NICU baby. Not every person's gonna be having multiples, not every person's gonna go through loss, not every person's gonna have an autistic child. And so we have community spaces that are segmented. So when you log into our app, you put your estimated due date, and that will segment you into that estimated due date month. So if you're due January 2027, you're gonna be with other parents that are due January 2027. That way, as you're going through your journey, you can be talking to parents that are in the exact same stage as you. They're also getting their anatomy scans. They're also starting to feel kicks. You're not talking to somebody that just popped positive on a pregnancy test and it's totally irrelevant experience to what you're going through. And then you can further Segment. If you've experienced loss, you can join that group. If you've had multiple, if you're having multiples, expecting multiples, have multiples. If your child is born early or in the NICU for some reason, you can join that group and get support from other NICU parents that are going through it currently. Because the last thing you want when you're in a crazy circumstance like that is for somebody who has no idea the fear, the guilt, the just devastation and the stress being like, it's gonna be okay. And you're like, I don't, that's not what I want to hear. You want to hear somebody being like, yeah, this is hard. This is what I did, this is what I'm doing, this is what I'm going through. You want people to connect with on that real tangible level. And so we have those spaces for you. And the best thing about our app that I truly believe this is the best thing is our subscription is for both parents, but separate accounts. So when you subscribe to our app, mom has her own separate account and dad has his own separate account, and they're both included in the price, and they're not connected. So mom's not seeing what dad's saying in the community spaces because you truly do need a space to openly talk about your actual feelings about the circumstances happening, right? It's not helpful to mom to read her husband typing in his community, like, man, she's a raging bee today, and she's so cranky. And is anyone else's wife doing this, that, or the other? You know, like that's not helpful to her, but it is helpful to him. And they need a space to do that because they that's their experience of the process. And they deserve to be able to find community and support through that. And so I think that's the biggest thing I'm proud of about our app is we really are hoping to make this a family event from day one. Dad is part of it and experiencing it and his emotions and feelings matter from day one. And I just I really believe that through education, access to care through our marketplace, through a variety of different providers, not just therapists and doulas. And I do really, really want to get to the point where we have on-demand therapists and doulas. So if you're like in labor and your husband's stuck at work or somewhere and they're not there, you can be like, I need virtual support right now. Like, I I need somebody on my side. And you can log on. Like, I really hope we get to that point. But education, access, and then community, both in person and situational, because that matters. It does matter. And I believe that if we tackle those big points, we can really mitigate and lessen the extent that our mental health crises go.

SPEAKER_01 24:33

I just have a quick question. Is this so I love this app and I love all the things? And I think Chrissy and I should chat with you after about this app. I have will there be support for like older it or is this a specific age range?

SPEAKER_02 24:48

We dream of it being lifelong. Like that is the goal of the app is to grow with parents. Right now, because I'm funding this entirely by myself, this is straight out of my pocket. And I'm a stay-at-home, so this is actually straight out of my husband's pocket. He's very supportive, and I'm blessed. But right now, the app is made for specifically pregnancy postpartum, but I do want it to expand. So, in a way that our listeners can help with that is they can actually join the community now. If you go to my Instagram and you go to my bio, you can go to the link in my bio and join the community now. And if you join now, it's $3.99 a month so that I can start making money to expand this app because that's the goal. I just don't have the funds. And with that, you can actually join the communities now. I have my community space built out on Kajabi, which is the platform that I'm using currently for my landing page. And they have community spaces and an app that you can download. You can download the Kajabi app and get access to our communities right now. And the more people that do this, the more successful we are going to be because the more people I can show are on the community, first of all, the better the benefit for the community that joins. Second of all, the more providers are going to be like, people are actually interested in this and they're going to want to join the app as well to reach these people. And the other thing they get is if you join now, until the app is live, at any point you can join, up until the app is live, you're going to be able to do bet beta testing if you want, which means you can give real feedback on the app and what we're doing with the app. Because this app isn't for, I mean, it is for me, but like I'm a mom. But like it's it's for you too. I want the app to serve the people that it's being created for. So if you join now and you get involved in the beta testing, we can really create the best version that is possible for as many people as possible. And then the other benefit is if you join before the app goes live, you get lifetime, because again, this is gonna grow with everyone. You get lifetime pricing of $9.99 a month instead of $19.90 a month, $19.99 a month for the premium version of the app, which includes all features of the app. And so I'm trying to build it now. The more people that join, the more successful it's gonna be. Right now, it's in very beginning stages. So if you join and you're like, there's only like four people on here. We're just starting, but this will be launching this year. And when it launches, it's gonna be, I think, super beneficial. And you can make a big difference in your life and future parents' lives if you if you join now. And so, yes, the goal is to expand. Right now, we're focusing on pregnancy and postpartum because that's what I have the money for. But I do envision this being supportive throughout time one day when I can afford that.

SPEAKER_00 27:34

That's awesome. And we'll put the links in the show notes for folks to grab when they listen in. So thank you so much for sharing that. Yeah. Awesome, awesome. I I love it on so many levels. Thank you for the work that you're doing. Thank you for the work that you're pouring into moms because I do think like oftentimes we feel so alone. Yeah, and it's so hard to feel like someone truly understands what you're going through, especially as a new at home with a husband who is going through something similar, but it's different. Yes. Right. And so truly finding a community of other moms with similar experiences is is quite powerful. And then having the marketplace and and I love the whole calendar app for families. Like you said, it's a little passive regards to it. I kind of chuckled at that because, like, hey, this is the help I need. So instead of you saying, like, what can I help with? This is like me putting out there saying, hi, like, I need help with these things. So just show up where you can. I think that's fantastic. And what a way to kind of put a twist on it. Like, let's normalize asking for what we need instead of suffering, suffering in silence. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 28:40

Let's make it the standard. Let's make it just known that that it I mean, it used to be known. Community used to be normalized, and people would just show up and help. And I think we've lost that with social media.

SPEAKER_01 28:52

Yeah. I think that this is a learning curve for everybody involved because we have, I'm just thinking, sometimes we struggle. I know, like even myself, when friends or family members like have had babies, it's like I don't want to overstep. And then my anxious thoughts that going like, Am I helping too much? Am I checking in too much? Am I offering too much? Maybe they just want to be left alone. So it's like our own. We've just created this, you know, it's the mother-in-law versus the mother of the daughter, like stepping over the toes. Is she, you know, and it's unfortunate. And how do we renormalize and and asking for what we need? Like, and sometimes the capacity of, I don't even know what I need. I know I need help, but uh to even ask is like it felt hard. Like it felt I don't know, and it's overwhelming. And everybody's like, Oh, in your face, like, what can I do? Can I help you? Can it's just like I just need to breathe. And so I think this is a great idea. Um, I love all of the things that you chatted about, but about the app, but I too agree that and I don't even think you know, we chuckle and we say it's passive aggressive, but it's not. And I think that that we need to normalize that it's not, and and asking for getting down on paper what we need, sharing it, this is what I need, and allowing people to show up for us in the best capacity that they can just is growth for everybody. Cause yeah, we're stuck in this cycle of like, we don't want to ask, we don't want to be overstimulated, we don't want, you know, there's just there's a lot of people get mad when they don't help, and then we're upset because you're not reading our minds, right?

SPEAKER_00 30:19

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 30:20

Unrealistic expectations, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 30:23

Yeah, this just kind of like cuts through all of that and is like, if you can help, this is what I want help with. So you're not overstepping, people don't feel like they're overstepping, and then also you don't feel like why aren't they showing reading my mind? Yeah, yeah. Well, thank you so much for being on with us today, Kylie. Absolutely. I am so excited to be here. Again, I listened to your show and I'm I'm a big fan. So I'm so excited you guys said yes.

SPEAKER_01 30:47

Thank you. Thank you for your support.

SPEAKER_00 30:48

Yes. Thanks for hanging out with us on Mom Feeling Mindset. If today's conversation spoke to you, take it as your reminder that happy moms don't come from doing more, they come from choosing themselves and owning their growth.

SPEAKER_01 31:01

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SPEAKER_00 31:08

Until next time, keep showing up for yourself, keep growing forward, and remember happy moms own their growth. See you soon.