Mile 20 Mindset Podcast Episode 030 - Featuring Echo Santoso

From Novice to Marathon: Echo Santoso's Inspiring Running Journey

Introduction: 
Welcome to the world of running where every stride tells a story. In this episode of the Mal 20 Mindset podcast, host Allen Maldonado sits down with Echo Santoso, a radio personality and seasoned runner, to explore the highs and lows of his running journey. From humble beginnings to conquering marathons, Echo shares valuable insights and experiences that will inspire both novice and seasoned runners alike.

Main Content:
1. The Beginning of a Running Journey  
Echo Santoso's running journey began in 2011 during a challenging time in his life. Overweight and inexperienced in sports, he took a bold step by purchasing his first pair of running shoes. "I thought running should be the easiest for people to start," he recalls, unaware of the complexities that lay ahead. His initial motivation was weight loss, but little did he know, running would become a transformative part of his life.

2. A Steady Climb: From 10Ks to Half Marathons  
After starting to run, Echo kept his new hobby a secret until coworkers discovered his passion. This revelation led him to join group runs in Jakarta. "I did my first 10K before I even attempted a 5K," he shares. His first half marathon in 2014 was both exhilarating and challenging, combining road and trail running in Bromo. However, he learned a valuable lesson: never wear new shoes on race day, as it resulted in a grueling four-and-a-half-hour finish.

3. Discovering the Running Community  
It wasn't until 2017 that Echo truly immersed himself in the running community. Joining a local running group opened his eyes to the supportive ecosystem of fellow runners and expert coaches. "I met my coach, and it was an eye-opener for me," he reflects. This community not only provided guidance but also encouragement, propelling him toward his first marathon.

4. The Magical Decision to Run a Marathon  
Echo's decision to run a full marathon in Bali stemmed from a previous 10K experience in the same location. "Bali has always had a special place in my heart," he explains, attributing its magical allure as a driving force behind his commitment. As he prepared for the Bali marathon, Echo focused on a rigorous training regimen that included interval training and hill workouts, despite facing an injury just a month before race day.

5. Overcoming Challenges and Race Day  
On race day, Echo battled not only excitement and anxiety but also the physical toll of his injury. "I had to wrap my knees tightly just to make it through the marathon," he recalls. The experience was a mix of adrenaline and determination, showcasing the resilience that all runners need. He emphasizes that the journey is more than just crossing the finish line; it’s about the lessons learned along the way.

Conclusion:  
Echo Santoso's running journey is a testament to the power of perseverance and community support. What started as a quest for weight loss evolved into a passion that brought both challenges and triumphs. Key takeaways include the importance of training, the value of community, and the understanding that every runner's path is unique. Whether you're just starting out or are a seasoned marathoner, Echo’s story serves as an inspiring reminder that every step counts.

Tags:  
Running Journey, Marathon Training, Running Community, Echo Santoso, Weight Loss, Health and Fitness, Personal Growth, Resilience, Bali Marathon, Runner's Experience.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:04

Hey, what's up? It's your boy Alan Mal Donado, the host of Mal20 Mindset. This is a running podcast for running enthusiasts, elite runners, novice runners, and those that love supporting the runners in their lives. I got an incredible runner today. Um, he's a radio personality, voiceover actor as well, Etcho Santoso. Welcome to the show. How are you doing, brother?

SPEAKER_00 0:30

Hello, Ellen. How are you doing? I'm good. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 0:34

Man, man, happy, happy to have you on the uh happy to have you on the pod, man. I'm excited to dive into your running journey. And um, let's start from the beginning. Let's start from how did you get into running? What was the motivation? Was it for health? Was it for mental clarity? What was your why?

SPEAKER_00 0:53

Uh actually, I started uh my running journey back in 2011. It was it was it was a very hard time uh for me because I gain weight so much, I never do uh any kind of sport, Alan actually. Okay. So uh it was uh the kickoff of my running journey. So I went to the mall after uh my work and then uh I I bought some pair of shoes and then uh t-shirt and then short uh of uh running and then because at first I thought um running should be the easiest, you know, uh for the easiest for it, right, right. You know, right? It it was actually the easiest until uh until you know uh that that certain uh time that you know uh running should do this and uh should do that and then do this and then do that, and you know, we are joining the program and then doing the interface or the fart leg, etc. So yeah, it was the first time 2011. I remember uh afternoon after my work's done, and then I going to the mall, bought a pair of shoes, and then here I am today.

SPEAKER_02 2:25

I love it. So so it started for um uh weight loss, and you went and got some shoes, and that was the first initiation of you becoming a runner. So let's let's talk about how did you get from going to the mall to buy some shoes to running and deciding your first marathon? Like, did you run any like 5Ks, 10ks? Like, how did you what were you doing before you made that decision to run a marathon? What how did you get to that?

SPEAKER_00 2:53

Okay, well, um actually it took like uh seven years after uh I did my first ever marathon. So uh well when I when I uh do the uh running uh at first and then uh I do it very secretly, very discreetly.

SPEAKER_02 3:18

Um mysterious with your runs, okay.

SPEAKER_00 3:21

Okay it it it happened until uh my my colleague at the office uh knew that. Oh you are runners right now. Yes, and then after after that, uh my my my fellow colleagues at the office uh started to uh ask me out to join uh their uh running uh activities in uh Jakarta. So uh after that uh we joined several kind of events. Uh first thing first, I did my uh 10k first before I did my 5k actually, and then uh my first ever half marathon uh happened in uh 2014 at uh Bromo Marathon. It's like a trail and road uh race, you know. So half marathon. Nice, nice, nice, yeah. Half road, half trail. So it's kinda shocked me out because I I never do the training. I never do the you know even at that time uh I bought my new pairs to be uh on the my first ever half marathon. It's very wrong. Never do and never never uh never never try your new shoes on your race day. It's totally wrong. It's totally wrong.

SPEAKER_02 4:59

Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. You know what?

SPEAKER_00 5:02

You know what, Alan? Uh my first half marathon in Bromo back in 2014. I did like four hours and thirty minutes something because it was disaster. It was a disaster. Okay, it was disaster.

SPEAKER_02 5:22

So okay, so you have this disastrous half marathon. Yeah. Um wore the wrong wore the wore new shoes at the wrong time. Yes, yes, yes, yes. So you finished this half mile and it it's it's it's not a good day. How did you go from a uh a bad day with a half to be like, you know what, I'm gonna go for the full marathon? Like what was how what happened to where you made that decision?

SPEAKER_00 5:50

Okay, uh, well, uh technically, uh I didn't know the the the knowledge about running itself, right? Until 2017. 2017 uh I joined the running community here in Jakarta. And then uh in that community uh it's like eye-opener to me, you know? Uh so I knew a lot of things about uh running, and then I met my coach there until now. Uh I still uh working with him, and then uh I think runners who were uh join the you know running ecosystem should know uh like their super system support system like running community, you know, yeah uh the the the kind of person that can guide you to be a better person to be a better runner. So uh when you know uh someone who is actually maybe in running community or he is or she is uh running coaches, so you should uh learn more from them, you know, and then uh only one year after I joined the running community Alan. I did my first ever marathon in Bali. So why wow? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:26

So yeah, please, please, yeah, please please elaborate. Why Bali?

SPEAKER_00 7:31

Like we have yeah, because uh uh why Bali? Because um I did uh my 10k race uh one year earlier, so in 2017, I did my 10k in Bali. Why Bali? Because you know Bali always magical to me. Uh there is always something that brings us here, bring us uh people to the Bali, you know. It's like connection, it's like um uh there's something that I don't know why Bali, because Bali always uh has a special place in my heart, you know. Yeah, uh so the culture itself, very different all over Indonesia. Bali has something different. Uh, I can tell you. Have you been there?

SPEAKER_02 8:23

No, I haven't been. I haven't been yet. That's one of the very rare places I haven't been in the world. But you make it it definitely sounds it's on my list to say the least. It's definitely on my list. So let's talk about the training. So you got train your half, you you you you decided to run this this this this ballet um marathon. Let's talk about training. What did you do to prepare for this marathon?

SPEAKER_00 8:48

So uh my uh my running coach uh back then uh said to me that are you really gonna do the uh full marathon? Yes, coach. Uh I want to because he's supposed to be encouraging. I don't know, maybe maybe uh he felt uh not sure about me.

SPEAKER_03 9:15

Uh got to Marathon. That's a confidence booster right there.

SPEAKER_02 9:23

You should like yeah, thanks to him actually.

SPEAKER_00 9:27

His name is Yes Yeskale. Hi, yes Kil. So um uh thanks to him. Uh I did my first ever uh training for Marathon, but uh maybe uh it was me when when I were young, you know. So uh I still ambitious about uh interface training, fart leg training, the long runs, and then uh the hilly training. Oh yeah, because Bali Marathon is very hilly, pretty much like um pretty much like Sydney, but uh it's surrounded by uh race field, race paddy, and then the the the the air is like uh salty air because it's uh really near to the coastline. Right, right, right. It happened uh one month before the rest day, and you know what? I got ITB on my uh my left leg.

SPEAKER_02 10:33

Oh, oh, oh, I cause that was my next question. What was the hardest yeah, what was the hardest part of training? But that was my next that was literally my next question as far as was it the injury enduring the injury?

SPEAKER_00 10:45

Yeah, so uh the hardest part of the training is uh probably um doing the Hilly training. Because it's not like like this, it's kinda you know, rolling hill. It's crazy, man. Bali is crazy, but definitely worth a try. Definitely worth to try because uh when I when I did uh race in Bali Marathon, it's called May Bang Bali Marathon, um so many uh people uh outside uh our country is joining uh just because uh they knew about uh Bali is really incredible. So yeah, uh that's that's the the the the the the the hardest part is maybe the injury and then the the the training for the healing. You know guys uh at the race day uh I got myself uh wrapping you know a tape across my knees until my thigh on the both sides of my legs.

SPEAKER_02 11:55

And when did you and when did you get the injury? Like what how how far away from the marathon did you get the injury?

SPEAKER_00 12:00

A month before.

SPEAKER_02 12:02

Oh, okay. So you had wow, okay, so it's race day. You you you taped all the way up. Like take us, yeah, take us to your first marathon experience as far as how did it feel to pick up like the bib. You're definitely fighting through this injury, but were there what were the like excitement or anxiousness of the whole process that goes into marathon day and weekend?

SPEAKER_00 12:29

You know, the excitement uh actually uh it's there, of course. The nerve-wracking is there uh also, but uh I just believe in in myself that uh you know you've been training so hard in the past six months, and then uh when you get the injury is it will never stop you to the uh to raise the day, you know. So uh my my coach said that uh if you need to stop, just stop. Because uh uh he knows what happened to my my leg after uh the injury, right? Right. Right, right. Uh he he said that clearly that if you need to stop, just stop. If you need to uh not continue, just stop. Just just just let it be. Alright, coach. Yeah, no tip.

SPEAKER_02 13:29

Uh, right. Yo, your coach is is it's been a uh a great motivator for you thus far. So to say the least to say the least. I mean, listen, if you don't want to do it, just don't do it. Like, oh wait a minute. Like I thought you must be pushing me. Yeah, okay. So the all right, so so the coach is the coach he is he's got a little doubts. He got some doubts, he got some doubts, it's in his life.

SPEAKER_00 13:54

Yeah, he is a little uh pushy and then he is a little bit grumpy, but sometimes he also very good motivator, and he also a great friend. So yeah, yeah, everything is on the same person. Okay, but you know what what I realized going uh marathon, uh Alan, uh is you know the real uh marathon challenge it is happening after the half marathon, right? You know, when you when you complete the the whole uh full marathon, the real challenge uh is happening in kilometers 22 or 23 or 25.

SPEAKER_02 14:38

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:39

It's like it's like a why should why did I do this? You know, the regret feeling.

SPEAKER_02 14:46

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's let's let's dive into that. Let's dive into that because that's the that's the Mal20 mindset. And it seems like you you you're saying it came after 22 kilometers is when you reach that wall where you start contemplating and you start questioning yourself why are you doing this? So you're saying that happened to you around 22, 24 kilometers. What were some of the thoughts that were going through your head?

SPEAKER_00 15:12

It's uh it's a questioning myself or it's my it's a self-doubting that why I sign for this. Uh how on earth I sign myself to this until you know the the the cheering zone on the uh bali uh it was uh saying on the poster, yeah, on the poster, uh it says like uh keep smile, remember you pay for this. Oh sh yes, I paid for this.

SPEAKER_02 15:43

I gotta get my money's worth. I gotta get my money's work, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:47

Yes, yes. And then uh I finished uh it was uh five hours and 46 minutes, if I'm gonna do that. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 16:01

Okay, so so my next my next that leads me to my next question as far as like how did it feel to finally cross the finish line when you again you were questioning yourself, you were wondering why did I pay for this, why did I do this to myself, and when you crossed the finish line, yeah, how did it feel?

SPEAKER_00 16:20

It was you know, it was a feeling that you can ever describe it. It's like uh proud, it's like a shame, it's like uh happy, actually, because uh I ran into my friends uh with happy tears, you know, okay. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, I I it never in my wildest dream I dream about finishing a marathon, Alan. But then uh I realized uh when I when I do uh my running, even an easy run on uh weekdays or interval training or the long run, I became a fully myself, you know? So running to me, it's not just about going for healthy or uh self-validation to others. No, it's like I found me a true me. It's like a uh a quality time with myself. It's like I'm drowning in my playlist, I'm drowning in my own pace, I never want to be faster than any other people. No, I just being me in my comfort zone, so I can uh have a quality time with myself. It's like, yeah, I found me in running.

SPEAKER_02 17:54

Yeah, no, I I think that when you're running, it's it's you you have these personal conversations that you yeah you rarely have outside of running. That's that's why I'm a I'm addicted to it, is just having these personal conversations. So in in hearing you feeling so proud of yourself, finally finished that that having the so many conversations finally that led you to finishing the marathon, man. Congratulations on that. And I guess my next question is how do you feel that it how do you feel completing that marathon and what has it done for you after as far as did it change your mentality, change your discipline? How was completing your first marathon? How did it change you?

SPEAKER_00 18:36

It changed me in a lot of ways, actually, uh Alan. Because uh, you know if you sign a marathon, uh it should be you you know, you have commitment. It's like uh having a girlfriend. It's like it's like you committed to you to the God, to your parents. It's like it's like you are committing to yourself also. It's because when you sign a marathon, you need you you have to uh have a full training program throughout the year. Yep. There is no Saturday night again, right? Because you have to do the long rounds.

SPEAKER_01 19:23

Oh, you gotta do the long rounds, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The party's over. Yeah. The party is over.

SPEAKER_00 19:27

Yeah, the party is so you have to change the habit of your uh food, right? You can uh kiss goodbye to the alcohol and then uh everything. You know, since since I since I deep dive into uh the running uh community or running culture, uh I barely touch uh some kind of things like um alcohol or anything else. You know, it's feel good when you when you uh do the long run on the weekend because I I was formal when I cannot do my long run. If there's a there's if there's a job to do on the weekend, or because I have another plans on the weekend. So uh I saw my friend going long run on the social media. I was like, I really need to go to Rome sometimes on the weekend. Yeah, so it it feels formal, you know?

SPEAKER_02 20:40

Yeah, no, no, you feel bad that you didn't get your long. No, I definitely listen. Any anytime I don't get a run, it is it it feels like that. Sometimes I gotta I'll I'll be a little nicer to myself because I can definitely beat myself up, like oh, I should have done that. I should have ran and it's like, you know what? Today I will. I may not have something must have happened yesterday or whatever. I'll be alright. I'm gonna figure it out. I'm gonna do it today. So I'm whatever happened.

SPEAKER_00 21:04

You should be, you should be doing it.

SPEAKER_02 21:06

Yeah, exactly, exactly, exactly. It's it takes a certain level of discipline to to uh uh achieve the endurance to have a happy marathon. And uh my next question is how many marathons have you ran since your first one? And what were or what was the craziest sort of story that came out of you running one?

SPEAKER_00 21:33

Okay, uh I did uh my my my marathon uh three times.

SPEAKER_03 21:41

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 21:43

Uh it was Bali in 2018, uh and then a year after in Berlin 2019. Nice, nice, yes, and then you know pandemic happened, the COVID arrived, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:00

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:01

So uh I canceled some of uh my running journey and then uh in 2024 uh I was participate in Chicago Marathon.

SPEAKER_02 22:18

Nice, nice, nice, nice, nice uh I I've ran Berlin, I've ran both. I ran Berlin and Chicago. So yeah, so how was so how was the difference what was the difference between your first one in uh Chicago and Berlin? What was what were the major differences?

SPEAKER_00 22:36

What was the major differences is might be the mindset. You know? Uh a friend said to me that if you if you did a marathon and then you have a bad feeling about it, but actually it's not, you will uh sign for the next marathon and the next and the next and the next and the next. So it happened to me, uh but uh the the the major uh challenge for me may be uh doing the Chicago marathon. It's because uh it feels like you will you like run your first ever marathon again because the gap year is like five years? Five years, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:20

Oh wow, wow, wow, wow. Wow, wow. So so this is like starting all over again.

SPEAKER_00 23:26

Yeah, it's too long. It's because uh the COVID era it's really bad uh to all people, you know, because certain of uh Major Martin also uh canceled their event, right?

SPEAKER_02 23:39

Yeah, I was supposed to run Boston that year and and they canceled, they canceled it. So yeah, I I I caught I caught some of that as well.

SPEAKER_00 23:46

So you you you have uh six years, six stars already.

SPEAKER_02 23:52

No, I I I no I have three. I have three and I run Sydney in August. So I've ran I've ran New York, I've ran Chicago, and I've ran Berlin. Yes, I'm running this Sydney coming up. Yes, yes, yeah, this year. This year. Yeah, thank you. Thank you, thank you. Yeah, I'm running Sydney, and I I I hope to get into um London and Japan. And yeah, I I I feel like not this year, but next year I'll be I'll be running Boston. So hopefully by the end of next year, I I will I will have all seven stars, man. But you know how hard those are to get in. So yeah, we got we got fingers crossed. We got fingers crossed.

SPEAKER_00 24:32

Because uh the hardest one is maybe the Boston for uh people outside America, right? Yeah, yeah, no, definitely Boston is difficult.

SPEAKER_02 24:40

So what happened in so what happened in Chicago was that what that made it difficult?

SPEAKER_00 24:44

Well, uh actually uh the difficulties uh was uh the training, of course. Because uh I was like uh never in my wildest dream uh I have uh American uh uh visa, you know.

SPEAKER_03 25:03

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 25:04

I don't know what happened. Uh the process, it's very, very easy for me. For the visas and then uh for the uh plane tickets.

SPEAKER_01 25:18

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:21

The hotel uh in there uh and my friends and the training, it's I don't know, it's very smooth and very easy, and on the rest day uh I had fun, uh literally uh I get my my my goals uh also I achieved on the last my marathon, but if I have to say uh on the three marathons that I did, the Berlin is kinda memorable.

SPEAKER_02 25:58

Oh okay, okay. And why why would you say that?

SPEAKER_00 26:02

Because people said oh you you'll be running in Berlin, the weather is nice, the the the the track is uh mostly flat.

SPEAKER_02 26:12

Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, it's definitely supposed to be the flat.

SPEAKER_00 26:15

Yeah, it is it is flat, but you know what? Uh when I did my uh Berlin, uh it was raining from start to finish. But even even some of the miles for some kilometers, they have a huge storm in it. I was like, how can people say this is good weather?

SPEAKER_02 26:42

Right, right, right. And on a marathon day, oh that's gotta suck. That's gotta suck.

SPEAKER_00 26:47

Right?

SPEAKER_02 26:48

Wow, yeah, yeah. No, that's got yeah, that's tough. I seen where uh I think the Hololulu uh marathon, it was raining that I'm pretty sure that's a different type of rain in Berlin. But yeah, and I think I I'm definitely seeing when people out there rain sleet of snow, the barathon, the marathon must go. That's that's definitely the uh the motto. Um yeah. So Berlin, so Berlin was Berlin was special.

SPEAKER_00 27:13

Uh Berlin's special, but every marathon is special to me, Alan. It's uh also uh in Chicago. Uh the the weather prediction on the rest day is very bad. But actually it turns out a very nice weather. You know, uh the windy, yeah. Uh the the the the degrees uh that day probably 14 uh degrees uh Celsius. Uh okay it was uh it was a very good nice weather to run a marathon. Really. Because yeah, Chicago also have a special uh memory to me. Because um I don't know. Uh where do you live, by the way?

SPEAKER_02 28:08

I'm in California, Los Angeles. Ah, you're in in Los Angeles? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm in Los I'm a Los Angeles man. So my my next question is this since there's somebody listening right now that's probably on the fence of considering running a marathon, what would be your biggest tip to them before they begin training?

SPEAKER_00 28:30

Uh you know, I wasn't ready for marathon, actually. Uh my v my verse marathon. I wasn't very ready because if you want to do uh marathon, you have to also believe in yourself, and then you have to find your support system because it's very important, you know, to give you uh positive impact, and then uh you have to train. Uh you must train, don't ever run a marathon without a training. Yeah, yeah. That's a fact. That is a fact. That's that's a fact. Uh, because if you run a marathon without uh training, it's it will be a complete disaster that you can ever imagine. Don't you ever uh sign a marathon just because you are FOMO, uh don't ever do a marathon just because you want to be uh look cool on your society because it's not uh marathon is hard. Yes it is hard. So uh I'm gonna give a plot to them who can do a marathon like uh five times a year, six times a year, because I was doing it once a year is very hard. So uh people who doing marathon five times a year is I don't know what kind of superpower they have.

SPEAKER_02 30:06

Well listen, I ran I've ran uh four marathons in five months uh one time. So it it it it it is yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm a maniac. I'm definitely a maniac. I I run I run two a year. I run at least two eight years. So like this year, I I have uh I have four planned throughout the year. So I should be I should be fine. It's it's definitely not in the five months, to say the least. So so let's get to let's get to this last segment of the of the pie, which is these the the knees out speed questions, is what I like to call them. They're like one-word answers, but of course, elaborate when you can. Um so knees out means yes. Knees out is my uh running crew. That's the knees out coalition. Shout out to my guys. So knees out means yes, and then knees in means no. All right, okay. So when I actually is yes. Yes. Knees knees in. Knees no. Okay. Yes. All right. So this first question, the first question is Did you ever think about quitting during training, but you still showed up and ran? Kniz out. Yes. Alright, alright, alright, alright, alright. Now, do you do you believe everyone has at least one marathon in them?

SPEAKER_00 31:28

Knee. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 31:31

Well you want to elaborate? You want to elaborate why you think that?

SPEAKER_00 31:34

Yeah, it's because uh some of my friends uh they are training really hard. Uh but uh sometimes when I ask, uh were you uh doing a marathon program? Uh they say no, I'm not going a marathon. Half marathon is enough for me.

SPEAKER_01 31:56

So so they're they're they they they just chosen just to do the halves.

SPEAKER_00 32:01

Yeah. They they don't want to do the marathon, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:07

Okay, so so so so they so they just decided a half marathon is just enough. So that's where you got your your answer for that. Okay, no worries. All right, so my next question is this is a bit of a trick question. Yeah, um is the marathon more mental or physical?

SPEAKER_04 32:26

Mental. Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_02 32:30

All right, so listen, yes it is, yes it is. All right, so my next question is since you ran Berlin, you ran uh Chicago, Bali, um, would you run another marathon?

SPEAKER_00 32:51

Of course, yes.

SPEAKER_02 32:52

Okay, all right, all right, all right, all right. And my next my last question is this do you believe running can change someone beyond the mouse?

SPEAKER_00 33:03

Of course. Uh it's because uh, you know, uh when you found when you find your purpose uh in running, you can get everything follow, Alan. Just like what I said before. Um, I don't know, each person has a different purpose in in life, you know, exp especially in in running. What is your purpose? Are you one to be a celebrity in running? Are you one to be uh influencer, or are you want to be enough for yourself? Or uh are they looking for something that they don't actually know what they're looking for? So I found myself in running. Running has changed me a lot in many ways. So uh I learned about commitment, self-discipline, self-doubting, self-control in running. So I think uh they need to find their purpose first, and then uh after that, uh running can change everything from you are so oh yeah, from running also, I can travel the world, so yeah, I'm not gonna stop.

SPEAKER_02 34:28

Come on, listen. That's my biggest excuse. I my my run my runcations are a must, it's a mandatory, it's in every contract. You gotta hey, listen, I will show up and do my job as long as I can go run my marathons, we are good. So I am in total agreement with you, man. Listen, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you so much for sharing your your story and your love for running, brother. I'm excited to see you out there and see you around the world as yeah, man. This is this has been really cool talking running with you, brother. Hey, everyone out there, please follow and subscribe. This is another great episode of Mal20 Mindset. Peace, y'all.