Mile 20 Mindset Episode 38 - Featuring Lisa Nelson

Title: From Casual Runner to Marathoner: Lisa Nelson's Inspiring Journey

Introduction: Running can often feel like a daunting task, especially for those just starting out. In this episode of the "Mile 20 Mindset" podcast, host Allen Maldonado interviews Lisa Nelson, a passionate runner and dietitian, who shares her incredible journey from casual jogger to marathon enthusiast. Lisa's story is one of persistence, love for the sport, and the joy of community, making it a must-read for anyone looking to embark on their own running journey.

Main Content:

1. **The Beginning of a Running Journey**  
Lisa Nelson's running journey began in her junior high and high school days but wasn't pursued seriously until she was 24 years old. Initially, running was merely a means to get in shape for various events like dances and weddings. However, during a run one day, Lisa had a revelation. She realized that she didn't want running to be a temporary solution, but rather a sustainable lifestyle choice. "What can I do sustainably?" she asked herself, deciding that running 30 minutes four times a week was manageable. Little did she know, this decision would set the foundation for her running future. 

2. **Evolving Passion for Running**  
Over time, Lisa's relationship with running transformed. From initially dreading it, she gradually fell in love with the sport. She prayed for a love of running, and as she committed to her routine, her fondness for it grew. Lisa shared, "I wanted it to be something that I could do if I was moving, if I was changing jobs, or going on a vacation." This mindset of sustainability has kept her running for nearly 20 years.

3. **The Leap to Marathons**  
Lisa's transition from casual running to marathon training was unique. Having grown up riding horses, she was familiar with long-distance endurance but had never considered running a marathon until she built her stamina. After running for an hour, she thought, "I guess I could do this for four hours," and her marathon journey began. Lisa started with half marathons and eventually signed up for the New Orleans Marathon, which was conveniently located in her backyard.

4. **Training for the Marathon**  
With her sights set on the marathon, Lisa sought out training plans online and adopted a minimalist approach. She aimed to keep her training sustainable and manageable, stating, "I wanted it to be something I could stick with and something that was sustainable." Her strategy included running three to four miles during the week and gradually increasing her long runs. Despite facing challenges like knee pain during her training, Lisa was determined to complete her first marathon, even if it meant "hobbling through it." 

5. **Race Day Experience**  
On race day, Lisa was filled with excitement and nerves. The atmosphere of the New Orleans Marathon was electric, and she felt a sense of community among fellow runners. "The energy here is just special anyway," she recalled, highlighting the camaraderie that exists during such events. While she might not remember every detail of her first marathon, the feelings of accomplishment and joy were undeniable. 

6. **Overcoming Challenges**  
Every runner faces mental barriers, especially during a marathon. Lisa spoke candidly about hitting the infamous "wall" during her races. She emphasized the importance of mental strength and how it can be a battle against one's self-doubt. "It's a mental wall that tests you physically and emotionally," she said, reminding listeners that such hurdles are a common experience in long-distance running.

Conclusion: Lisa Nelson's journey from a casual runner to a passionate marathoner is a testament to the power of persistence and community. Her story encourages both novice and seasoned runners to embrace the challenges of their running journey. Key takeaways include the importance of sustainability in training, the joy of community support, and the mental resilience required to overcome obstacles. Whether you're preparing for your first marathon or seeking to improve your running, Lisa's insights provide genuine value and inspiration.

Tags: running, marathon, fitness journey, sustainable training, running community, mental resilience, nutrition for runners, Lisa Nelson, Mal 20 Mindset.

Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:05

Hey, what's up, y'all? It is Alan Mal Donato, your host of Mal20 Mindset. This is a running podcast for elite runners, novice runners, and those that love supporting the runners in their lives. I got an incredible guest, an incredible runner, and a dietitian. Please welcome to the show, Lisa Nelson. How are you doing today?

SPEAKER_01 0:25

I'm good. How are you?

SPEAKER_05 0:27

I'm doing I'm doing excellent. I'm so happy to have you on board to explore your journey and your first marathons. But before we get there, where did running begin for you? Like where did it all start? Was it for uh for fitness, for health, uh, for escapism, you know, uh mental clarity? Well, where did your running story begin?

SPEAKER_00 0:48

Yeah, great question. And thanks for having me. Um, so my running journey, I ran off and on um junior high, high school, just kind of, you know, doing the thing. And, you know, I really didn't like running and I wasn't that good at it. So I um I stopped in ninth grade. And um, when I was about 24, I headed out on a run one day. So I would run off and on, you know, to get in shape, right? For the next event, the dance, you know, whatever, the wedding. I was married young. And I was 24, I was heading out on a run. And I thought, you know, I don't want this to just be this thing that I go run and I get in shape only to do it all again, right? And so I had this moment where I thought through and I thought, okay, what could I do sustainably and stick with it so that I could be fit instead of get fit, right? Like I could just stay this way. And so I told, you know, I I walked through this with myself, talked about this, and um I arrived at, well, I could, I could run for 30 minutes four times a week. I could do that sustainably. And I wanted it to be, even though I didn't like running at the time, and I wanted it to be something that I could do if I was moving, if I was changing jobs, if I was going on a vacation, you know, whatever the thing might be. And so I have stuck with that for probably so that I was 24, I turned 44 uh this weekend. So Congratulations! Thank you. It'll be 20 years. Um I've stuck with that, and of course, along the way, um, very early on with that, I I actually prayed for a love of running and gradually fell in love with running over the course of probably about a year. And I will tell you, it's one of my favorite things to do, and you know, have gone on to, you know, run a whole lot more than four times a week for 30 minutes.

SPEAKER_05 2:44

Of course, of course. So, so let's let's guide guy uh let's dive into the next sort of uh section of your journey as far as you go from running casually to now you've fallen in love with running. Where did you get the idea to run a marathon? Like where it was it, did it start with 5Ks, 10Ks? Like, how did you get to that place where you know what I want to do? The 26.2.

SPEAKER_00 3:11

Yeah, you know, it's a fun question. I or I grew up riding horses and we did something called endurance riding. So we would ride horses long distances. Well, like 25 to 100 miles. Okay. So I think that's a good thing. I know, right? This sounds amazing. Like what? Sign me up.

SPEAKER_02 3:32

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 3:34

Okay. So I think that's how I got tough and you know, love the outdoors. But as an adult, like I know how much work that was. So I don't have any horses. I don't plan to have any horses. But um, I think that's why I love being outside. I love the challenge and the adventure of it. So um, the first time I ran, I think the first time I ran an hour, I was like, well, I guess I could do this for four hours. You know, that sounds like an adventure. So that's kind of started.

SPEAKER_05 4:04

So, so so there was no like 5K's, 10k. This was just you running personally, and it was like, you know what, I ran for, I ran for 60 minutes. I got I got another I got another three hours in me, and you just was like, I'm signing up for a marathon.

SPEAKER_00 4:17

Um, I started with I think I started with the half marathon. It was so long. Okay, I think I can't go. I think I made a half, but I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_05 4:32

Wow. Wow, wow. So, so so you plan to run this first marathon. Which marathon um was it? And uh, yeah, what was your what was your sort of your your initial thoughts in deciding the marathon? And which one was it?

SPEAKER_00 4:50

Okay, so I live in New Orleans and I lived in New Orleans at the time, so that was the one. Um, the New Orleans marathon way back then. I think it was the Mardi Gras marathon. Um, and I, you know, just made sense. It's convenient, yeah. So that was the one.

SPEAKER_05 5:09

So it was just in your back in the in your backyard, you just you and you decided to run this marathon. Let's let's talk about the training. So you you said it casually as I'm like, you know, I could do 60 minutes, I could do four hours of this. Did you did you start off with a a um a training plan or just was you just out there winging it? What what was your initial plan to train for this marathon?

SPEAKER_00 5:37

I really just looked up plans online and the I kind of went with more of a minimalist um type training back then. And, you know, I read some different things about, you know, at the time, this was a long time ago. Of course, my philosophy is different now. But um, you know, of course, uh it and still is this philosophy that I wanted it to be something I could stick with and something that was sustainable. So I didn't want to kill myself. And so yeah, I just figured, well, I'll run, you know, three, four miles during the week and then gradually increase my long run. So that was kind of the philosophy I went with and just increased that, you know, 10% as kind of the the standard rule, and you know, just increase that long run and then tapered and yeah, just kind of casual.

SPEAKER_05 6:27

I see, I see, and like I and like and like how long or how far out from the marathon? It just it like I said, you say it so casually as it was just like okay, I've read 60, or I'm gonna go for the marathon, and then oh, what's some some look online? Let me look a couple, okay, cool. I'll I'll get there, I'll knock this out. Like were what were some of the difficult sort of obstacles that came into training, or what was the hardest part of training um for you?

SPEAKER_00 6:55

Well, I mean, each time that I that first marathon, each time that I ran a new distance was just so exciting, you know. So of course, you know, of course, I'm a nutritionist. Um the fueling was a little tricky. Back then I thought it was superwoman um and didn't really do any of that super properly. But, you know, the probably the challenging was like each time you get to a new mile is realizing like, oh, you know, planning stops, then you know, making sure you eat the right thing so you don't um, you know, mess up your stomach, those kind of things. And then on my last 20 miler right before the race, you know, a couple weeks out, I ended up having like some knee pain and it was pretty significant. And um, and I kind of got to this point where I was like, well, shoot, I did all this training. Um, and my main thing was just that I didn't want to hurt myself, but I wanted to complete it because I didn't really know at that point what I like running a marathon. I wasn't really thinking about whether I would do it again.

SPEAKER_05 7:54

I just figured I don't want to have to be drinking again and then as we all, like it was one and done. It was supposed to be one and done.

SPEAKER_00 8:02

Yeah, so at the time I talked to a friend who was a trainer, and you know, based on what she kind of thought it was, you know, it was kind of one of those situations where it wasn't really gonna be worse for me to do it. So um yeah, so I just did it.

SPEAKER_05 8:16

I mean, I kind of hobbled through it, that first one because of the knee pain, but so let's let's talk, let's talk about the first, let's talk about the the the day, race day, as you've you've never you've never done a m marathon at this time. Um, so all of this the community, the experience. Take it, take me to your first race day, your first marathon race day, rather. Um, there's some listeners right now that have yet to experience their first marathon. Please share what was going through your head as far as like picking up your biv, the community, the energy. What were what was happening for you your first time?

SPEAKER_00 8:53

So long ago.

SPEAKER_05 8:57

I had another guest on on here. He was he he he's been running, I mean, I think since 2005. So he was referring to magazine clippings and stuff like that. He was like, yo, that's where he had to get into. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So so please, please, if you can recall, how what were some of the feelings you were feeling as far as you going in to get your bib, just that whole excitement, that introduction to the running community uh as a marathon?

SPEAKER_00 9:24

I think just, I mean, it was so fun. And back then, you know, it was a little bit smaller group. I do remember it being a lot of people, but um, I mean, New Orleans is just such a fun place to begin with, right? And so the energy here is just special anyway. And so then you have a big running event, which we are bringing back the marathon, by the way. It's been gone for a few years. So come to New Orleans and run a marathon. But um it was. I love New Orleans and uh just such a what was that?

SPEAKER_05 9:58

I said, I love New Orleans. Uh, don't threaten me with a good time. I will, I will definitely come down and run the marathon. It's uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:04

I'll get you an entry. Talk to me after.

SPEAKER_05 10:06

Okay, well, we're gonna figure it out. We're gonna figure it out.

SPEAKER_00 10:10

Okay, but anyway, so truthfully, uh truthfully, I don't remember. Can we talk about my second marathon? Because I remember that one vividly. The first one.

SPEAKER_04 10:20

Yeah, all right, all right, let's go to the second one.

SPEAKER_00 10:23

The first one, what I remember is I remember the energy, I remember the course, I remember the people on the streets. I just remember thinking, I know I can do this. And um at that point, my mindset was very just like, let's just get through it and enjoy the miles, you know. You know, I was always someone to listen to music while I run. So I think I was just out there to run for, you know, four hours, whatever. I finished my first marathon in 440, hobbling through. So, but this is so fun. If can I tell you about my second marathon? Because this is fun. This is like I'm running my second marathon, same place um on the new the New Orleans course. And I think it was the very next year, I think. So I think it was in 2011. Um the second one was definitely in 2011. And this time I didn't do a whole lot too different with my training, but you know, I had definitely become a more experienced runner, get better with my fueling and stuff like that. I qualified for Boston on that second marathon. So I went from a 440, and so this is to encourage new runners to keep trying, right? And make sure, you know, your fueling, your training, all those things are dialed in because when you really like fine-tune it, you know, you can have so much fun too. Um, but I remember, you know, back then I had the little, see, I've got my fancy little, you know, chorus, whatever. Um, but I had one of those like $5 stopwatches from Walmart. Do you know the one in?

SPEAKER_03 11:55

Yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 11:57

And so each mile I would like stop it and reset it, and I would look down at my watch and I was like, oh my gosh, I'm going to Boston. Because it was a shock. Like I had no idea that, right? And so it was just such a fun, it's such a fun memory still, because my aunt lives in Boston. And so I'd always think, Oh, I can see my Aunt Maggie, you know, each. So beautiful. No, so uninvented memory.

SPEAKER_05 12:26

Yeah, no, so let's let's talk about the race. Let's talk about the race, it whether it be the first one or the second one in regards to just the the Mal20 mindset, as you know, most races in whether you're elite novice, or you just it's your first one, you run into this wall. You run into what I refer to the bully from fifth grade that is going to bring all of the unhealed trauma, or even if you forgot the the oven on at the at your house that morning, it's going to nag you. Everything about your whatever's internally happening is going to be at the forefront of you. Which uh whether it's the first marathon or second marathon, what mile was that that happened, if it happened, and what were your thoughts?

SPEAKER_00 13:08

That mile where everything's like on you, is that what you're saying?

SPEAKER_05 13:12

That that that wall, when the wall, when you have to finally climb over that mental wall as physically you are being tested in a way you probably haven't been, and whether it be the first marathon or the second, which one um did you did you meet a wall?

SPEAKER_00 13:26

Can I can I tell you about the one I ran last week?

SPEAKER_05 13:29

Because that's the one that's Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We don't have to go that far then. Let's go.

SPEAKER_00 13:35

That's the one I'm thinking about. Um so like I said, it's hard to remember all these, but um I ran the Louisiana Marathon last uh week ago Sunday. So nice.

SPEAKER_05 13:46

Congratulations.

SPEAKER_00 13:48

Thank you. It was it was so cold. Um, and I don't like cold weather. I don't do well with cold weather, even though I'm from the northwest, but um so around mile 20, uh I was I I think it was like right about mile 20, and I just went, oh, and the guy next to me was like, salt, and I was like, Yes, I need salt, because the um the mix was like it was weak, and it was so you know, the power aid mix, it was so weak and no no uh bad thoughts to the marathon. It was great. Right, right. But um, it was weaker than I planned. And um also like the cold just was really, really getting at my hamstrings. And so I definitely, you know, of course, we all set out to PR, right? Once we've done a couple, we're like, okay, let me try to PR. Um, and so I had this in my mind, you know, I'm trying to PR. And at this point, like I'm like, I'm really hitting my pace. Like I surprised myself, I didn't think I was going to. And um, so I get to mile 20 and like it hurts, right?

SPEAKER_05 14:56

And the cold is so the hamstring, this hamstring is hurting.

SPEAKER_00 15:00

Yes, and the cold is just like, you know, causing them to be so tense. And so, um, but what I did, and this has happened for me a couple times, is just like digging so down deep, and like you have to at that point, um, and I was writing a post about this the other day because I think like with a lot of things we say, like, trust your gut, trust your instinct. But at mile 20, there's no gut or instinct, right? This is unnatural. Like, this is unnatural.

SPEAKER_03 15:28

Right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_00 15:29

We can't rely on our gut at that point. It's like, okay, well, what do I know to be true? Okay, I know I can do this, I've done this before, and this is for like first-time listeners. Like, and then what's the plan? Okay, for me, like I knew my fueling plan, I knew what I needed to do, I knew my pacing plan, and I just had to stick with it. Sorry, that's my dog. And I just about to stick with it and um like trust like what's in here, and maybe not like the gut so much. And I will tell you that has gotten me through a couple of those um situations where everything's kind of about to fall apart. You feel the cramp coming on, whether it's a side stitch, and then trusting, like, you know, the fueling plan, like what do I need to do? Trusting the pasting plan and like just like it's that mental that top, right? The mindset, the 20-mile mindset. You gotta just and that's so applicable to everything in life or a lot of things in life that are tough because we gotta like figure out how to push through.

SPEAKER_05 16:33

Yeah, gotta dig down deep. Um, so so whether it be this past marathon or even if you can recall from your first marathon, like what is it, how did it feel when you when you finally crossed the finish line? Um, especially if you can recall the first one. Um and what what did it feel like? How did it how did it feel to finally, especially with that first one being as rough as it is it sounds, you crossing the fin finish line? Well, how did you feel and what did that mean to you?

SPEAKER_00 17:02

I think just, you know, knowing you can do something. I think just being proud of myself that, you know, I put in the work and and glad that I didn't um quit, realizing that, oh wow, okay, yeah, I actually could do this even despite all that pain, you know, going in. Um, not that I would be an advocate for like running through pain, but you know, I did consult a professional to make sure. Right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right. Yeah. I mean, and knowing, okay, well, if I can and I and I lean on this a lot, like even just after a hard workout, like, okay, if I could do this, I could do anything. Okay. So whatever it is that I'm trying to maybe cop out of in life, like, nope, I can just like I can push through these reps or you know, the rest of this race, I can do it.

SPEAKER_05 17:50

So no, beautiful, beautiful. So um beautiful. So there's uh there's a there's a person listening right now that is probably on the fence or considering running their first marathon. What would be your biggest tip to them? Um, and as you're a nutritionist as well, please include sort of some the the importance of fueling, because I had a good friend of mine's named Coffee that got on here and he shared um an experience, a tragic experience that he had because he wasn't fueling. He lost all uh feeling on the subway, uh and passed out and like chipped a two seven stitches in the back of his head, and I forgot the name of the the the diagnosis, but it was I think sepia or something where it was he wasn't fueling and it finally caught up with him because he would do like these late night runs and he would run for a long time and then not eat afterwards, you know, sleep and then get up and do his thing. And it was uh he's been running, he was he's been running for over 15 years, so yeah, over time it caught up. So please, what would be your biggest tips?

SPEAKER_00 19:05

Yeah, absolutely. Um, yeah, and I think you just like hit the nail right on the head there with like talking about fueling because I think like for me, the most important thing is not getting injured, right? You know, PRs are fun, showing up to race is fun, training is fun. All these things are fun after the fact, right? When you're in it, it's not we're we wouldn't under it being fun somehow. But I don't know, I'm gonna place those tricks on us. But um again, like getting injured is like the one thing that I'm like, okay, like I don't mess around with that with myself, with my clients. And I see this in myself and with my clients, like, you know, because I work with some people, I work with everyday people, but I also have you know clients who are maybe training for a PR. And so, you know, we really emphasize, and usually they're like they might be training for a PR and trying to lose a few pounds, right? So it's just kind of that combination of like you want to make sure that you're fueling adequately so you can still recover. Because if we're especially for females, like and for males, but especially for females, like, you know, if you're not getting enough total nutrition, if you're not getting enough carbs, we can still our bodies have a way of like still maintaining our weight. So you're not constantly losing weight, but if you're underfueling, so again, it's contrary to kind of that gut instinct or what we automatically think because you think, okay, well, if I'm not losing weight, I must be eating enough. But that's not exactly true, especially when you're running and running and running. Like you have to fuel that and you have to fuel it properly, or you're gonna get injured. So, you know, probably like to kind of give like my top tips, I would say, like, make sure you're getting, you know, some good carbohydrates, you know, and some lean protein that three or four hours before the run, a solid carb choice, like an hour before, that could be a gel, that could be a banana, that could be fruit juice. And then after the run, like that's where you want to balance carbs and protein. Most people think, like, if they've thought a little bit about nutrition or followed a little bit with that, you think, okay, I need protein after my run. Like you need carbs just as much as you need protein, especially if you're a distance runner, because we want to replenish those glycogen stores and the protein for like that muscle recovery. So all of that is super important.

SPEAKER_05 21:26

And what would be your top your top five uh suggestions for uh a good carb? What would be like your top five suggestions?

SPEAKER_00 21:36

Yeah. So pre, okay, so in general nutrition, like throughout the day, you want cut whole grains. So that's like um fruits and veg fruits and vegetables, and whole grains would be like whole wheat, oats, um popcorn's a whole grain, quinoa, brown rice. Those are whole grains. Okay, that's good nutrition healthy. Okay, those are good carbs, and then fruits, vegetables. Okay. Pre-run though, like within that hour before, or like if you're doing a big heavy training session a few hours before, you want actually low fiber. So instead of whole grains, you're looking for like simple white breads, simple white bagels, the age-old banana is going to be a good one because you want stuff that's going to be readily available. And that's why we do like gels. Like a gel is as good as like myconykes or some like sugary candy or juice because it's quickly turns, it's already glucose, it's already broken down. Like so those things that we typically think of as unhealthy before the run for runners, you want that really available glucose source.

SPEAKER_01 22:45

So just like sugar. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 22:48

Oh, that yeah.

SPEAKER_05 22:50

That's that's amazing. Um thank you. Thank you for that. And and I'm I'm saying thank you for the listeners as well, because I know somebody is right taking notes uh easily, uh, as am I. Um so let's go into uh what I call the knees out speed questions. Um you answer with one-word answers, but please elaborate. If you if please elaborate, um you answer yes with knees out, and you answer no with knees in. That's my running crew, the knees out coalition. So I'm gonna ask you about five questions, and here we go. Did you ever think about quitting during training, but you still showed up for yourself?

SPEAKER_01 23:32

Knees knees in is yes.

SPEAKER_05 23:35

Knees out is yes. Knees out is yes. Okay, all right. So do you believe that everyone has at least one marathon in them?

SPEAKER_01 23:46

Knees out.

SPEAKER_05 23:48

Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um, do you think this is sort of a trick question? Is the marathon more mental or physical?

SPEAKER_01 24:01

Hmm. Knees out.

unknown 24:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 24:04

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Now, would you wait, wait, mental.

SPEAKER_00 24:09

Mental. I think it's more mental.

SPEAKER_05 24:11

You think mental? Okay, mental, mental. Okay. Yeah, now like I said, that was sort of a trick question. That was sort of a trick question. All right. Um, so the next one is you've ran marathons. Would you run an ultra?

SPEAKER_01 24:27

Yes. Yes.

unknown 24:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 24:32

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 24:33

Listen, I'm I'm I haven't ran one yet, but I'm so excited to run one. I've I've ran 14 marathons, and I just love the idea of being in I'm just gonna do a 50 maller. I'm just gonna start there. Yeah, I just love the idea of being in nature for that for that amount of time.

SPEAKER_00 24:49

So nature is my favorite. Can I tell you what what can I tell you the prettiest and my favorite marathon that you should go run?

SPEAKER_03 24:59

Please. Please.

SPEAKER_00 25:01

So I'm from Washington State originally. Um the Cascade Express marathon is so pretty, and it's like kind of downhill. It's like um, it used to be a railroad track, and it's like you're running down a mountain. It's breathtaking.

SPEAKER_05 25:19

Say less. Yeah, no, I just did um uh Vegas. I just did Las Vegas. That was my last one, and it was it was in the mountains. We start in the mountains and we come downhill. It was gorgeous. Um you're it's you're running down a basically a deserted mountain road, what feels like. Because they, of course, they block it off for you. And as soon as the sun sort of rises, that's when we go. It's a beautiful, it's just oh, it's gorgeous. It's it's nature, it's it's everything. I I loved it. I was going for my PR. I got a I got a 330 because at Mail 23 it got spooky.

SPEAKER_03 25:54

It's Jua.

SPEAKER_05 25:55

I was I was I was cooking. I was cooking all the way into mile 23 and then the wheels fell off. But um, yeah, no, uh Vegas was has that sort of mountain view. I love a good view. So yes, uh send me that information for that marathon.

SPEAKER_03 26:11

I'll do it.

SPEAKER_05 26:11

I definitely will put it on my list. Yes, yes, and New Orleans. Um, yeah, so lastly, my last question is this Do you think running can change a person beyond the mouths?

SPEAKER_00 26:25

Do you mean change them as a person?

SPEAKER_05 26:28

Yeah, outside of the running, outside of the mouths.

SPEAKER_00 26:32

Absolutely, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 26:34

I mean, I think why and why do you think that?

SPEAKER_00 26:37

Because it um it builds confidence, I mean, it it helps you believe in yourself, it builds endurance, perseverance, like all these are habits that transfer to life. I mean, it certainly can't be.

SPEAKER_05 26:53

Sorry about that. That's my dog going crazy. I know you got one as well, so you you get you get it.

SPEAKER_04 27:02

Give me give me one second. Let me just talk about that.

SPEAKER_01 27:15

You're good.

SPEAKER_05 27:18

Yeah, I got an uh all black German shepherd. Um, she's just doing her job. Uh I know. So so again, so so so please let me ask that question again. Do you do you think running can change a person beyond the mouse?

SPEAKER_00 27:32

Yes. Are we still talking about knees out? Knees out.

SPEAKER_05 27:35

Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:37

However, you want it. 100%. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 27:40

Yeah. Yeah, beautiful, beautiful. Listen, um, this has been an incredible conversation about running. Um, I I appreciate all the the tips and the nutrition tips as well. Um this this podcast is has been created to share these stories, share these, these superhero stories uh of human beings accomplishing these magnificent feats. Um, you are incredible. You are a superhero to me, and I'm pretty more pretty sure a lot of others, as you continue to accomplish these great goals and and prove to yourself, as you prove to yourself, it allows everyone else to understand that they can prove it to themselves as well. Um I've been I've been in acting for over 20 years, and I've inspired several people. I've inspired a lot of people, but what I have found more impactful, as crazy enough as it may sound, is my running journey and how many people have been inspired to work on themselves as maybe acting maybe something that they may not relate to, or maybe seems so far, far out of reach. But running seems something that is personal and is obtainable as simple as leaving your house with some running shoes on, and people are doing it. So I'm just I'm just saying thank you to you because I know you are an inspiration to so many people around you and taking your time and joining the pod.

SPEAKER_00 29:10

Well, thank you, and you're welcome. And thank you to you as well.

SPEAKER_05 29:13

No problem, no problem. But listen, everybody out there, please follow and subscribe. This is another incredible episode of Mal20 Mindset. Peace, y'all.