E26: King Kelly, Baseball’s First Rock Star & The 1984 Bean Brawl

Seventeen ejections in one night should be impossible, yet baseball found a way. We start with the 1984 Braves Padres beanball brawl, where one hit-by-pitch spirals into pitcher retaliation, managers getting ejected, and a benches-clearing pileup that somehow doesn’t even end the game. We walk through how “beaning” worked as baseball’s old language of payback, why umpires kept tossing players and coaches, and how the chaos spreads from the field to the stands with fans throwing objects, pouring drinks, and pushing the night toward real danger.

Then we flip the calendar back a century to meet Michael Joseph “King” Kelly, the late-1800s phenomenon who helps invent what a baseball celebrity looks like. We talk through the record-breaking $10,000 contract sale, the crowds that follow him across cities, and the mix of skill and swagger that makes him must-see entertainment. Along the way we dig into 19th century baseball strategy and tactics that still matter today: the hook slide, daring steals, the hit-and-run, and early ideas that resemble modern defensive shifts.

We also get into the trickster side of early pro ball, when fewer umpires and looser enforcement made rule bending tempting, and legends like Kelly helped force the sport to tighten its rules. We cap it all off with a Hall of Fame trivia answer about how many women are in Cooperstown. If you like baseball history, MLB fights, forgotten legends, and sharp trivia, hit play, then subscribe, share the show with a friend, and leave us a review.

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Transcript

Episode Welcome And Hall Of Fame Trivia

Jerry 0:00

Hello, listeners, and welcome to Fungos and Fastballs. In today's episode, we cover a Hall of Famer who is baseball's first celebrity, but not before we cover one of the great fights in MLB history with the 1984 Braves Padres Beanball. But first, we've been throwing in an opening trivia question here and there lately. How many women have been enshrined in the National Baseball Hall of Fame? The answer in a bit. But first we start with that great fight.

What Beaning Means In Baseball

Jerry 0:35

The bean brawl. No players were not arguing over whether Heinz or Bush's baked beans were better, but of course, over getting beaned, getting the ball thrown intentionally at some point.

Brooke 0:47

I thought that the word was beam. You beam a ball at somebody.

Jerry 0:53

Well, Brooke. Yeah. You're wearing, if you're watching on YouTube, Brooke's wearing her new Joliet Slammers cap.

Brooke 1:01

Well, it's actually your cap, but unfortunately it did not fit your head, so I guess it'd worry about it.

Jerry 1:07

No, big head, big heart, as the old phrase goes.

Brooke 1:09

Well then what does that mean about me?

Jerry 1:11

Oh yeah.

Brooke 1:12

So where's Juliet? Tell me why.

Jerry 1:14

Wherefore out thou, Joliet. No, that's Romeo. Uh it's Joliet in Illinois, the prison town, and so that's why you got that jailbird mascot JL Bird on the top. Great hat, great cap. He's he's brandishing his bat. I'm very jealous. I'll get one eventually. But back to the word bean. No, beam is a common mix-up, B-E-A-M. It's bean, B-E-A-N, unless you're actually deciding to hit someone with an actual beam. A side comment, using the old baseball lexicon again, the term for a bitch a pitcher who beans players, typically at a player's head, is called a headhunter. And though brushback pitches still occur, MLB rules and concerns for safety have made the headhunter pretty much a thing of the past. But back in the day, like the enforcer or goon in ice hockey, many teams had a pitcher that was ready to get revenge if one of their own players got hit or brushed back by a pitch. Don Drysdale, the Hall of Fame Dodger, was a classic headhunter, often choosing to be in a player rather than intentionally walk them, and he just might be a focus of an upcoming episode. Now I want to point out, Brooke, that here at Fungos and Fastballs, we do not advocate Brannigans and fisticuffs in Major League Baseball.

Brooke 2:39

We do not, or in any other sports. Uh personally, I have to fast forward through some of the fight scenes and the Rocky movies. And if we ever go to a restaurant and MMA is on the TV, I'm always put my back to that TV screen. I am not an enjoyer of fights in any s any way, shape, or form.

Jerry 2:58

Well, that being said, man, watching this fight on YouTube just made me laugh because it just it's so ridiculous.

Brooke 3:06

I certainly hope you put that word fight in in quotes, because it really was a bunch of guys pushing and shoving each other and then falling down on top of each other. There were a couple of punches going on there, but in general, it was pretty funny.

Jerry 3:19

Well, after you listen to the full podcast, go check it out.

Brooke 3:22

Definitely.

Jerry 3:22

But we'll again we'll try

Braves Padres Tensions Spark 1984 Chaos

Jerry 3:24

and describe it. Let's go now with the Wayback Machine back to August 12th, 1984. A wonderful game in Atlanta versus the Padres, perhaps contributing some of the antsiness of the day. The game was delayed by 90 minutes. Then on the first pitch of the game, brave starter Pascual Perez hit second baseman Alan Wiggins. Why? Who knows why anybody does anything? It may have been because Wiggins the day before, rather than swinging at the ball, was trying to lay down a lot of bunts and Perez, of course, not pitching in the day before, was yelling him in at the uh dugout to swing the bat, perhaps a few expletives. Uh Perez later told reporters that the ball just slipped. He wasn't trying to hit Wiggins at all. Oh, yeah, slipped. He says, quote, the San Diego players got mad at me. I don't know why. Well, this was in the National League. Uh so there was no designated hitter in 1984. So of course, Perez, the pitcher, would indeed come up to bat. And all four times he came up to the plate, he would get thrown at, eventually getting hit on the fourth at bat. The first time Padres Ed Whitson threw at Perez, Perez actually started towards the mound bat in hand, uh, but the um restrained him. Whitson in the fourth threw three straight inside fastballs close to Perez. Perez successfully evaded them, and both both Whitson and Padres manager, Dick Wilson, got ejected. Uh, the next Padre pitch pitcher, Greg Booker, threw at Perez again in the sixth. Then the ump threw him out and the acting manager out. The fourth time Perez came to the plate in the bottom of the eighth, Padres reliever Craig Leggett threw again at Perez, actually hit him this time. This led to a third pitcher being ejected, and a third manager ejected. The Padres only had one acting manager left, Henry Dunlap, Harry Dunlap.

Ten Minutes Of Melee And Ejections

Jerry 5:29

These ejections led to the dugouts clearing, a huge fight lasting 10 minutes evolved. Pasco Perez, you know, I mean, sensing some he he retreated to the dugout. Chicken. But Padres infielder, Champ Summers, was having none of that, and he went after him. And then Summers, before he got to the dugout, was wrestled to the ground by Braves players. Then a fan jumped out at him, then another fan poured drink on Summers. It's a show. Over on the side, another big fight was going on with Braves Gerald Perry, the Padres Bobby Brown. I guess that was his prerogative. Oh, like the song. Like the song. Everybody's talking. No, more singing later. So those two, Champ Summers and Brave Rick Camp, were all ejected. Now everybody wanted in on this fight. In fact, uh Braves third baseman, Bob Horner, was not even playing that day. Uh he had a broken hand. He was in the press box, but when he sensed tension going on and that a fight might occur, he actually went to the locker room to suit up so he could go on the field.

Brooke 6:38

That is just crazy. Well, as we after we watched the video yesterday, we got an alert. Rest in peace, Bob Horner.

Jerry 6:46

Yeah, yeah. Horner passed away just uh a day before our taping on May 22nd, uh, 26th. Yeah, no, very sad for Brave Braves Nation there. Well, somehow after all this, the game resumed. But in the top of the night, Greg Nettles came to bat for the Padres. The former Yankee had hit a home run two innings earlier, and Nettles Nettles actually has come up a few times in our podcast, the Thurman Munson one, the Ken Griffey episode. He's trouble. He's trouble. I loved him as a kid, I really did. But he was a tough guy, no stranger to fighting. My best story is from Bill Spaceman Lee, who carries a baseball card of Nettles in his wallet, dating back from that fight he had with Nettles back in 1976, where Spaceman injured his left shoulder. You want to guess why Lee carries Greg Nettles' baseball card in his wallet, Brooke?

Brooke 7:36

I assume the wallet's in his back pocket.

Jerry 7:38

Yes.

Brooke 7:39

So he can kiss his butt every day.

Jerry 7:44

That's not what Lee said, but yes, that is the idea of it. Well, with the game restored in the top of the ninth, Braves reliever Donnie Moore hits Nettles with a pitch, causing yet

Nettles Gets Hit And It Restarts

Jerry 7:56

another fight. Uh Nettles went after the pitcher. He was wrestled to the ground by Braves players Rick Mahler and Chris Chambliss. Uh then Padres pitcher Goose Gossage went after uh went after uh Donny Moore. He was, you know, I mean, then Joe Torre, the manager of the Braves, gets in on the action. So you have three former Yankees teammates, Nettles, Gossage, Chambliss, all involved, plus the great future Yankees manager Torre. Almost all these guys, I think, got ejected. Great Gossage, Nettles, Torre. Neither team had their original manner now, manager now. Let me take a break to note, though, this was a pretty good game as far as hair went.

Brooke 8:36

And mustaches.

Jerry 8:37

And mustaches. And fine mustaches. Yes. Nettles and Bob Horner had permed hair at this time. It was the early 80s. Goose Gossage’s mustache is always great, plus some bald and his beautiful styles that I appreciate, with Tori losing in the back and Ed Whitson losing it in the front.

Brooke 8:55

I'm glad you can uh commiserate with them.

Jerry 8:57

Yeah, I won't take my cap off. I think they know by next. That's right. On video, they'd never know.

Brooke 9:02

They'd never know without video.

Jerry 9:04

So all total 17 ejections in this game, 12 of Padres, five Braves. It wasn't over. Uh Braves fans started throwing things at Padres players, you know, in the dugout. Padres infielder Kurt Bevacqua gets on the dugout threatening threatening fans with a bat. Five fans are arrested.

Brooke 9:24

Yeah. Security had their job cut out for them that night.

Jerry 9:27

They did. So one of the great images, if you watch this game, is the angry mustachioed and for unclear reason shirtless Ed Whitson in the dugout, yelling at unruly fans.

Brooke 9:39

He tries to look like this tough guy. He doesn't have a shirt on. His eyes are bulging of frustration. Yet the receding hairline, it slightly diminishes the vibe on him.

Jerry 9:53

What are you talking about? Bald men can be plenty tough. I'll post a picture. Somehow again, the game started up again with all the players ordered to stay in their respective clubhouses unless they were playing. You could be called out if you were needed, but you're staying in your clubhouse. The Padres would wind up winning 5-3 after scoring two at the ninth. A ton of folks fine. Seven were suspended for various lengths. The crew chief debated forfeiting the game, which, you know, as we've talked about in the past episode, it just doesn't happen in our disco demolition episode too often. But at that point, the Braves, when he considered this, were up. And it really seemed like since Atlanta kind of instigated this, that it would be unfair to award Atlanta the win with a forfeit. All in all, as I said, 17 people ejected, but neither Pascual Perez or Wiggins, the two players at the beginning involved in the initial beaning, back in inning one. Just remember, kids, fighting is wrong, okay? Okay? Trying to channel my best Mr. Mackey from South Park. Yeah, let's start this episode. Don't think I'm doing a good thing. Let's start. Yeah.

Meet King Kelly Baseball’s First Celebrity

Jerry 11:08

Hello, and welcome to Fungos and Fastballs, the podcast of baseball history and trivia. I'm your host, Jerry Dimes. Let's jump into today's episode. We now turn to one of the most popular baseball players of his era, Michael Joseph Kelly, or as he's better known as King Kelly. Now, Kelly was the biggest draw as far as baseball players in the late 1800s. He was so popular that when the Chicago White Stocking sold his contract to Boston, fans refused to go to Chicago's home opener. And it was only when Boston came to town to play Chicago that fans flocked back to see him, even though he was on the opposing team. He wrote baseball's first autobiography, he had a sit hit song written about him, and he may have been the inspiration for the poem Casey at the Bat. But this popularity was founded on great playing. He was a fantastic hitter, broke record stealing bases at the time, and popular strat popularized strategies and practices that are still used today.

Brooke 12:16

Are we done? No, no, there's still more to talk about. Come on. Really? Because doing research on social posts, there were three, yes, three images of the You only had three images, huh?

Jerry 12:29

They're all probably drawing from cigarette patches.

Brooke 12:32

Yeah, they are. Some one of them is.

Jerry 12:35

Well, let's let's talk more anyway. So Kelly was born in Troy, New York in 1857, the son of Irish immigrants. He probably learned baseball while living in Washington, D.C., while his father was off fighting the American Civil War. After the war, Kelly's parents moved to Patterson, New Jersey, but in his teens they would both pass away. Even as a teen, though, he played on amateur baseball teams, made his big league debut in 1878 when he was signed on by the Cincinnati Reds or Red Stockings, which, it should be noted, is neither the current Reds team or the current Red Sox team. But one of the original eight National League teams we learned about in episode 12. Now the Red Stockings would fold in 1879 and Kelly would change to the Chicago White Stockings. So he had to change his stockings.

Brooke 13:31

He could just bleach them.

Jerry 13:32

Bleach them, that's right. Well, the White Stockings were again another one of those eight original NL teams. But as listeners know, they are still around as the current-day Chicago Cubs. Kelly helped lead the White Stockings to five pennants in seven years between 1880 and 1886. With Chicago, Kelly led the league in runs his last three years there, winning battle title batting titles two of those years. Over his career, he would hit over 308 times. He played all over, typically outfield or catcher. He

Innovations, Hustle, And Rule Bending

Jerry 14:08

was actually a really tremendous defensive catcher and one of was one of the first to use a glove and chest protector as a catcher. He's credited with a number of strategies and tactics. Now I will point out, Brooke, there is a fair probability that Kelly really didn't invent these strategies, but he popularized them, or maybe they were attributed to them because he was a celebrity. For example, as a catcher, he started backing up the first baseman, like in certain situations, even today, when an infield grounder is hit and there's no runners on. Now I will say he probably was the originator of a hook slide, which has elements you see today, which is a feed first slide, you know, on one side of the base where to avoid being tagged, you slide wide, catching the bag from the outside with your hand. This was copied by other ball players. He also was probably one of the earliest players to steal third base and even home with regularity. He popularized the hit and run play, where a base runner starts stealing second the moment the pitcher throws, and the batter is committed to swinging. The steal causes the infielders to move to the bag and shift, opening up kind of a gap in the defense for the hit. It also avoids the double play because the guy on first has got a such a huge head start that it's going to avoid the catcher's throw. Kelly's often credited and invented an early form of the infield shift, where the fielders would move to different positions based on the batter. And in the 19th century, fouls were not counted as strikes, so Kelly was one of those batters that excelled at just continually fouling pitches until he waited for his pitch.

Brooke 15:49

And I read he was not above bending the rules at times. He would keep an extra ball inside of his jersey, and at night when it got dark, because again, no lights at that time, if a ball was if he missed the catch or the ball went over the fence, he'd pull it out of his jersey and put it in his mitt and hold it up like he caught the ball.

Jerry 16:07

Yeah, I got it. It's a trickster. I mean, in fact, a lot of rules were created because of uh practices that Kelly's and others would bend in those days. Like cutting bases. Uh there was only one ump officially watching the game until 1898, you know, a little before they tried some of two out. Uh but two were made official in 1898. So really it was more it was easier to run even across the diamond or skip bases when you, you know, were running from one base to the other.

Brooke 16:40

At times he, since he when he was playing catcher and someone was running home, he'd put the catcher's mask on top of home plate and then stand a little off to the side. So when they were coming home, they would run towards him, not the plate, and they'd miss the plate altogether.

Jerry 16:57

I also liked a questionable but hilarious story. When he's in the dugout and the opposing team's batter hits a high foul ball, uh Kelly's catcher couldn't get to it. So all of a sudden Kelly jumps off the bench and announces, Kelly, now catching Kelly, and catches the ball as an out. Confusing the ump. Well, fans love Kelly's playing style. He was a strapping guy, nearly six feet tall, red haired, good looking. Though it's hard to tell behind those big, you know, uh old mustaches. Maybe I should grow one. Hide some of the weaknesses in my face. No, let's let's not do that.

Brooke 17:33

But he is a handsome man. He is a handsome man.

Jerry 17:35

Apparently. Although you only found three photos. I know.

Brooke 17:37

Well, they were they were good. Look on our Instagram.

Jerry 17:41

Well, he became tremendously popular in Chicago and definitely liked to live large. Instead of getting a house for himself, he put him up in the he put himself up in the Palmer Hotel in Chicago, which uh then was, you know, pretty big deal. It was the first hotel with electric light bulbs and uh telephones in the uh guest room. Trivia alert. Uh although it closed briefly in COVID. The Palmer uh hotel is still going and claims it's the oldest continuously operating hotel in North America. Yeah. I stayed in the Palmer House Brook, actually, and you know, believe it or not, they still have light bulbs and telephones in their room.

Brooke 18:22

As opposed to what? I'm just saying, you know, the ball of LED screens.

Jerry 18:29

Things haven't changed.

Brooke 18:31

Well, thank goodness for that.

Jerry 18:32

Yes.

Boston’s $10,000 Star Meets Bean Eaters

Jerry 18:34

After the 1886 season in Chicago, King Kelly balked at returning to the club. In response, Albert Spaulding, president and part owner of the White Stockings, who we mentioned in the Origins of the National League episode, he sold them to Boston for a record, then record $10,000. Balding was quoted by Chicago writer Happy Palmer saying, quote, if Mr. Mike Kelly does not sign a contract with Chicago pretty damn quick, he will have cause to regret it. Sounds like he got his dander up. And also, this quote, if he keeps on in this spirit, I will make him hay eat hay with his horse before he is much older.

Brooke 19:15

I'm sad that term's gone away. I know.

Jerry 19:17

Eating hay with your horse. Well, after this sale, Kelly was known as the $10,000 Beauty or the $10,000 Kelly. But continued success in Boston was how he got his king moniker. Both in 1887 and in 1889, he scored 120 runs, more than 120 runs. And he continued to draw crowds, though no penance, when Kelly played in Boston as a bean eater.

Brooke 19:49

So a bean eater. So we're going from the bean brawl to bean eaters. Was did you plan this? Is this episode the bean episode? Could be. I didn't know if that was planned. Well, can we pause a minute because beanieaters is that's a new word to me. I've never heard of a team called this going to help out some of those listeners out there.

unknown 20:10

Yeah.

Jerry 20:10

Brooks Brooks interesting because she's she's not a big fan of beans.

Brooke 20:14

No, I don't like any beans. But trivia. Uh beans were big early in the country because they were easy to grow and they were cheap. And in nine the 1880s, New England became known for cooking white beans with some pork and molasses. And we know that today as baked beans. And since Boston was the major city at the time, they became known as Boston baked beans. And the city of Boston became known as Bean Town. And those who lived there were called bean eaters. So that's where the term comes from. In 1883, with the help of other cities' newspapers, the team was nicknamed the Bean Eaters, and it stuck, although not out of love. Plus, the Boston Chowderheads just didn't have the same cachet as the bean eaters did. And the bee matched their uniform. The name stuck for 25 years until 1907. So there you have it, some trivia.

Jerry 21:15

Yeah, good trivia. And of course, now they're still the Atlanta Braves. They're still there.

Brooke 21:20

Yeah, I didn't have time to go through that whole little map. Now are you done? Oh, another trivia. Also, Massachusetts is the only state with an official bean, the baked navy bean.

Jerry 21:33

Now you're going away from the baseball trivia aspect. Bring me back, Jerry.

Brooke 21:37

Bring me back. I'm done.

Jerry 21:39

Where was? Yes. In 1891, King Kelly would captain a new club in the American Association. Now it was a rival league in the 1880s, no longer around, of course, to the National League. They were once called the Beer and Whiskey League compared to the Puritanical National League. The team actually was known as King Kelly. Kelly's Killers, but really, you know, folded by mid-August. And Kelly returned to the Bean Eaters after that. A year later, he went to the New York Giants. He only played 20 games there. And then unfortunately ended his career.

Brooke 22:13

It's reported that he've played every position, even in pitcher, over his career.

Jerry 22:18

Trevor Burrus, Now sadly, Kelly did not last long after his baseball career. His former teammate and manager for the White Stockings, Cap Anson, who we really should do an episode on, Brooke.

Brooke 22:30

I think he's on the list.

Jerry 22:32

He once said of Kelly that Kelly had a host of friends, but only one enemy, that one being himself. With big living and hard living, especially alcohol, Kelly died at age 36 of pneumonia in 1894, less than a year after his last game. Now, reportedly it did happen after giving up his uh coat to another passenger on a boat when sailing from New York to Boston. So some generosity there. With a with very little money left to his name, a benefit had to be held for his widow after he died. But when he died, they had an open casket and 7,000 people actually passed by his casket. He was that popular. His wife, in an interview years later, called Kelly, quote, just an overgrown kid. But let's look at his stats, celebrate his baseball career. Over his career, he had 1,357 runs, 950 RBIs, and a 308 lifetime batting average. His stolen base records, though back then those kind of records were often incomplete, they remain impressive. He had five straight seasons of 50 or more stolen bases, including 84 in 1887. Now, in the 19th century, uh stolen base stats are higher than today, unless you're players like Ricky Henderson or Vince Coleman. But by comparison, last year's stolen base leader, Jose Caballero of the Rays and Yankees, led the league with 49. So again, pretty impressive on the base pass.

Songs, Casey At The Bat, Legacy

Jerry 24:26

Some fun facts. You mentioned the crowd chanting Slide Kelly Slide, the perhaps America's first pop hit released by Thomas Edison's label, Slide Kelly Slide, in 1889, was uh a song, you know. Prior to that, uh Cylinders, which were the recorded medium, uh, were more highbrow opera, patriotic brass bands. But uh Slide Kelly Slide became a popular hit. It was written by John W. Kelly, coincidentally, but no relation. And, you know, some of it is slide, Kelly, slide. Your running is a disgrace. Slide, Kelly, slide, stay there and hold your bass. I'm not doing a good job.

Brooke 25:08

No. Well, we'll tolerate it. It sounds like the song from the 70s, I think it's the 70s, Fly Robin, Fly. I think I could sing that better.

Jerry 25:17

Fly, Rob, and Fly.

Brooke 25:18

Stop. I'm gonna mute you. Uh to the sky. That's a high note there. And these are ladies singing that. Let's wrap this episode up.

Jerry 25:26

Well, a few more things. Kelly was the first ball player to write, in quotes, an autobiography, uh, called Play Ball, Stories of the Ballfield. If you went to saloons in Boston, hanging up on the wall, you could often see prints of Kelly sliding into second. But he would also appear, as you alluded to before, on the stage in vaudeville, singing uh poorly fitted clothes as a joke, and recited the poem Casey at the Bat, which also that should get a first pitch. Now, the 1888 poem Casey the Bat, there is debate whether Ernest Lawrence Thayer wrote the poem with Kelly in mind. Casey was an Irish player in the poem, and Kelly was certainly the biggest and most famous Irish player of his day. But I think Thayer kind of denied it. He was upset because Kelly would get on the vaudeville stage and sometimes uh claim to have written the poem. Uh perhaps a little alcohol was involved in his his braggie there, braggadocio. Kelly may have been one of the first players that fans would actually hunt out for his autograph, which probably set off a domino effect to $500 signed baseballs today.

Brooke 26:38

500? That's what you think they start at? No. I was looking for a Father's Day gift for a Thurman Munson ball for you. And let's just say that's a $10,000 and up.

Jerry 26:50

Oh, that's so sweet. Well, I didn't get it. I'm worth $10,000, right? Oh, you are. Oh.

Brooke 26:56

But we'd like to eat dinner too.

Jerry 26:58

Stay tuned to what my Father's Day gift will wind up being, not the baseball. Well, I'll absolve Kelly, because I suppose the uh overpriced baseball autograph market would have eventually happened anyway. But this was an interesting look inside a player from way back who was perhaps the biggest star of his day, and through his playing and his celebrity influenced how the game was played, and you know, the beginning of pro baseball players becoming household

One Woman In Cooperstown And Goodbye

Jerry 27:23

names. Well, before we go, let's get back to that trivia question about how many women are in the baseball hall of fame. Well, as you might have guessed, not many. Women have been involved in the game throughout the years, playing baseball in World War II in the Negro League teams. Just last year, Jen Pawol was the uh first MLB umpire, and Kim Ng was MLB's uh first team general manager in 2020. But but those are kind of recent, and as as you might guess, again, not many. In fact, only one woman is represented in the Hall of Fame. That would be Effa Manley. She was co-owner and business manager of the Negro League's Newark Eagles uh from 1935 to 1948. And uh Effa's an interesting story of herself. Don't be surprised if she appears in a first pitch one of these days. Well, again, great episode. Thanks always to my producer, Brooke. You're welcome. And uh shout out especially to uh Diane, who uh we were talking to the other day outside the tasty freeze. Uh I love their hot dogs there. Um we're always happy you're listening. I hope you'll keep listening. Or, uh, hey, if you're watching on YouTube, uh don't forget to subscribe to us uh or subscribe on your favorite podcast platform. Heading back to the locker room, this is Jerry Dynes and Fungos and Fastballs.