The Doctors No More Podcast: Episode 10: When The Drugs Don’t Work

What if the reason you feel stuck isn’t a lack of willpower, but a layer of noise you’ve learned to live with? We pull apart the daily loop of stimulants and sedatives; coffee, sugar, screens by day; alcohol and numbing by night and show how these “everyday drugs” keep trauma underground and your nervous system on edge. Our goal isn’t guilt. It’s clarity: remove a few key inputs and your body will show you what it’s been trying to say all along.

We introduce the No Protocol, a stripped-back 90-day subtraction method that favors no wheat, no junk, and no late-night eating. It’s designed to be simple, humane, and oddly forgiving. When you “fall off,” the contrast becomes your teacher; a single pizza or late drink can highlight bloating, mood crashes, or poor sleep in a way that turns theory into proof. From there, change sticks because you feel it. We connect this to deeper work: the link between food and emotion, why unexpressed anger often sits behind symptoms, and how learning to express it cleanly can dissolve long-standing issues. One story of a “lovely” migraine sufferer unlocks the pattern: once hidden rage met daylight, the pain left.

We also look at trauma through two lenses. There’s the shock event, the Mike Tyson punch that imprints fast and hard. And there’s the Muhammad Ali jab: the slow wear of artificial living, chronic stress, late nights, and processed food that quietly reshapes health. Drawing from ideas in German New Medicine, subtle anatomy, and clinical experience, we frame healing as the art of resolving conflicts in body and mind, then shepherding the messy, real-world healing process. Veterans’ moral injury, childhood fear, and the wounded child behind tough exteriors all point to one unfashionable truth: love, not willpower, creates lasting change. Forgiveness becomes practical too: not erasing memory, but releasing its grip so you can build new patterns that stick.

If you’re ready to feel lighter without hype, start with subtraction. Choose three “no’s,” create space for honest signals, and let your body lead. Subscribe for more grounded conversations, share this with someone who needs a nudge, and leave a review to help others find the show.

Transcript

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SPEAKER_02 1:23

Well, welcome back to Doctors No More. And as I always say, that's NO Play on Words with myself, Dr. Jeremy Maha, nominated Doctor. And my and he hates me calling him my esteemed friend, but I'm going to keep doing it because it's correct. And my esteemed friend, uh Doc Thomas, this is episode 10. Welcome back, Gareth.

SPEAKER_00 1:44

Thank you, Jeremy. That's really nice to be here.

SPEAKER_02 1:48

Yes, we've done nine and three. I mean, by the time people listen to us, it's going to be out of sync, but uh and we we released it later than we expected. But uh three episodes as of today's date, which is the second, no, the third of February 2026. So you'll probably hear this in about six weeks from this day. But you know, we're up to episode three published, and it's been, I'm glad to say, all three of our listeners, it's been very well received.

SPEAKER_00 2:15

It's been well received. Actually, if you if we're near, you know, it there's there's a few more than three. There is which I'm pleased to announce, which is um yeah, six.

SPEAKER_02 2:25

We should be very proud of six people. No, no, it's been it's in the hundreds so far.

SPEAKER_00 2:30

That we're aware of this after this episode, so we'll we'll be on the right track if we get eight.

SPEAKER_02 2:35

It is, it is numbers now. But but it it you know, jesting aside, the the feedback that I'm you know, I I consider it the tip of the iceberg, right? But the feedback that I've received is is they're loving uh the humour, which was very important to us because we wanted this podcast to be I didn't re I didn't realise we were funny.

SPEAKER_00 2:54

Are we funny?

SPEAKER_02 2:55

Well we'll put it this way, right? We find ourselves funny, and that's what matters, right? But this this podcast was a like because you know I I'd only see Gareth a few times a year. When I'm in England and I'd come down to London, usually for some dents. When they let you out. That's right. Let me at the asylum, uh special pass, um, sunshine bus, that all that kind of thing. But uh, you know, really and truly, we were going down there you know to get into our favourite local pub, which we can't mention because it's it's it's so secret that you know only only great conspiratorial peoples, because the pub's over 500 years can can drink there. But anyway, we're we'll go there and we have these kind of conversations. And I said to him, in fact, I think Natalie said it to us when she was with us, I said, we really should record some of this, some of this stuff, because it was like the podcast, we would talk about something serious, and then bam, it was tangent over to something completely ridiculous. We'd be laughing like little boys, and then we'd then you'd go, yeah, but seriously, in your Welsh wizard lovely accent, you know, you'd spin it back into the conversation, and we you know, and it was just so beautiful, and that's what that's that's what really birthed um this podcast, and we're and we're hoping people continue to love it and share it and grow it because we're gonna do some very serious subjects uh with humour and um some you know who knows where it will go, but so far so good.

SPEAKER_00 4:19

Yeah, I I I mean it. I think that um lots lots of wisdom can come out of humour because you when you let those guards down and you're not thinking too constructively, you know, you allow things to go in a different direction. Yeah. Um and I mean I I I I was noticing this week uh I was travelling into London and uh there's a lack of humour. Oh god, yeah. There's a severe lack of humour, you know, and and and eye contact. Yeah, and uh just just just natural humour that comes from people, uh that you know, so might brighten your day a little bit or might sort you know lift you if you're a little bit down, or but everyone's so so so stuck in you know not communicating with each other. Um so uh although people are en masse, you know, together, they're not really.

SPEAKER_02 5:21

No. Um in fact, if someone looks you in the eye in London, you know, in your head you're like, um, hello, I'll be your mugger for today. Yeah. Um but that's actually, excuse me, I'm recovering from a deep detox after starting, you know, my new no protocol where you basically subtract things and just bam. Well, I'll tie it in probably later on, but it you know, um I for three years had a uh a thriving membership of international, you know, people around the world, and and um you know originally um it had what was called the the protocol, which was sort of 30 years of my um knowledge tried to be condensed into one document, which I successfully have. Um and the way I'd get people into it was was through the 90-day challenge, um, which I did for three years. And the reason I picked 90 days is because it takes about 90 days, in my experience of working with people, once they start doing things, because first they've got to receive the knowledge and their brain's got to go, okay, that makes sense. I'm gonna choose to do this rather than just someone say, do this, do that, and tell me when you're better, sort of thing, right? And and when you start sub basically subtracting things, noise, uh uh irritation, inflammatory things from the body, you know, the body will start to do things, and it's usually just keeping it very simple at this stage, it goes into cleanse heel cycles, and at the very least, you start to feel better. And then it was designed for people to fall off the wagon, and and as I say, people don't really fall off the wagon, they jump off the wagon and burn the wagon. What I mean by that is say you took wheat out, which would bring most people to um uh sweat just to think about removing wheat, and wheat isn't what it used to be, of course. Um, just taking wheat out, they will feel very, very different within a week, especially certainly three or four weeks. And then usually they go, Oh, fuck this, you know, and they jump off and go and have a pizza, right? And the pizza might be absolutely beautiful, but their stomachs will, you know, bloat up like a balloon more than before, you know, hurt more than before. They'll feel instantly tired uh and possibly grumpy. And and that's the point. That's why I like people, you know, the self-sabotage program falling off, because it's at that point I go, you see, you know, it's now removed from the intellectual realms and it's in the you know, build a relationship with your body. And so what I've done is after lots of three years, the most common complaint or criticism, positive complaint or criticism, was it was too overwhelming, the amount of information that I put in there, which I accept. So I've started um a simplified version of the 90 day called the no protocol, which is just forty-five dollars, and you can go to www.thenoprotocol.com if you want to find it. And it's just simply you join there and you get an you go into the membership and you see what everyone else is seeing from a point of view on a screen, but a much reduced content. So you get the start here videos, you get uh six uh selected uh vlogs that uh Graham and I, or Nords and I have done over three years, they're all epic vlogs, and six QA's, and you also get the no protocol and an access to the community. And it's actually what this whole conversation's going to be about today, because the so that's a 90-day thing, and at the end of that, if it's it's so simple because you simply choose at least three out of nine things to say no to. And I I strongly recommend for 90 days, no wheat, no eating junk, and no eating after night. And that in and of itself will create tremendous changes. There's other no's, some people will do many more, some people will pick something else, but they're the three that I recommend. But after 90 days, I guarantee you people are going to feel very different, and then they have access into the main membership where the new evolved protocol is that uh that I've done, and uh, you know, live clinics, and that's where I do all my work for people that can't work one-to-one. But why we're starting there, excuse me, this morning, uh at least for me, afternoon for Gareth, is before we came on camera, you know, Gareth had uh been doing aspects of the no protocol. He had taken, I'll get him to talk about it in a moment. He he started to subtract things from his diet. So it's usually, you know, diet first of all, although there are other very important things that need to be uh removed ideally to heal people. But nonetheless, he started at the dietary level, and it's always amazing what starts to happen. So, Gareth, do you want to talk about that? Because today's podcast is actually called When the Drugs Don't Work. And what we're going to introduce to you is that most people are drug addicts and they don't know it. And the drug of choice, you know, the great Barbara Wren always taught me that, you know, find the thing they don't want to give up, and you've probably found one of the major cause, if not the major cause of their problems. So most people go, I'm not doing drugs. I ain't doing straight jigs. You know, I did them, but I'm not doing them anymore, mate. No, but they're probably, you know, caffeine addicts or did you like that accent? I loved it. I loved it. Um visually it was it was really good. It was good, right? I don't do drugs no more, mate. Right, anyway, but um uh but people are wheat addicts, you know, uh um people are sugar addicts, people are, you know, well, you could put anything from workaholics to to you know internet addictions to you know on social media, you know, on and on and on and on. But they're all drugs in the sense that they are filling a void, suppressing or animating someone, with you know, with alcohol being the legal drug of choice for most people. So Gareth, why don't you start, you know, with the drugs don't when the drugs don't work, what you've done in the last three weeks, because it leads to some very deeper stuff.

SPEAKER_00 11:26

Yeah, I I think I'd like to to sort of set the scene a little bit. I mean, Christmas has just gone, and I I I I do love Christmas. Um you know, I'm not I'm not a fan of too much of all the sort of materialistic side of it, it's gone a bit crazy, but I do love you know the tradition getting the tree, cooking, you know, maybe uh drinking a little bit too much, having too much.

SPEAKER_02 11:52

Oh no, you're definitely drinking a little bit too much, and you're missing perhaps the most important thing. Go on. Muppet Christmas Carol. I watched it. Did you did you watch it this Christmas? We watch it every year, and this year, for some reason, it was like the best time ever. Every other Muppet movie I think is crap. Yeah, but do you know it's genius?

SPEAKER_00 12:12

It's genius. Michael K Michael Kane. My name's Michael Cain. Oh I can't do it.

SPEAKER_02 12:18

But he's my name's Michael Kane. You were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off. That wasn't bad actually, was it?

SPEAKER_00 12:26

That was pretty good, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:28

But anyway, I I I detract from your profession. You're absolutely popastic, mate. Anyway, so back to seriousness, you know, Christmas. I love Christmas too. And I know it's I know it's not what it should be. I know Santa is Coca-Cola blended with some other, you know, pagan, but I love it.

SPEAKER_00 12:48

It's that time when you know not only do I get time off work, but ever pretty much everyone else just takes time out. So there's this this this sort of space in the consciousness, which is karma around humanity. It's a night, it's a nice feeling, you know, where where people can you know connect with loved ones, relax, not worry too much about what's going on in their lives. And I I think that what happens is that um for me anyway, I I go through that period and then I you know it's that time of year, it's the the the winter um solstice. It's that time of year, you know. I don't know whether people are aware of this, but you know, the idea of you know Christ's light to Christmas is also linked to the return of light, which happens in December on the solstice on the 21st, I think, or 22nd.

SPEAKER_02 13:47

Yeah, I'm really glad you brought that in because it's actually really critical for the flip side of Christmas of those who get very depressed. You know, there's much more suicide. You know, it is actually the least light in the quote unquote northern hemisphere.

SPEAKER_00 14:02

But our ancestors knew that, and then you know, they they would have um harvested their harvest, collected all they needed for for winter, they would have started settling, you know, almost like hibernating, and then that period where they knew the sun was returning was the was the sign for this is new life, new new beginnings, uh, and new projects and another cycle, right? So um, you know, when I have Christmas, I always relax a lot, but I I in the back of my mind I'm like, what do I want for next year? What what am I what what things need to come through me for next year? And so I tend to start the year and I I I thought, well, I'm I'm gonna do a little bit of uh uh like subtraction method, take stuff out, um and I I rem you know I removed caffeine, alcohol, and uh sugar. Well they're they're they're they're big ones. Yeah, but I've done it before, and I've I've you know some on some days I've done intermittent fasting, like one meal a day, something like that. Um I haven't pushed it too much, but I've done it before. So I I've I've got you know, it's like anything. Once you've done it once or twice, you you know the signs of what's happening to you, so you don't worry, you expect something to come up, right?

SPEAKER_02 15:35

Yeah, but you understand for someone who's never even heard of the subtraction method or the no protocol, the thought of stopping sugar or the thought of not having a drink, or especially in my experience, the thought of not having a cup of tea or a coffee is enough to break your idea.

SPEAKER_00 15:55

You've just you've just but you've just hit the nail on the head because it is thought, everything is thought. So, you know, when you think you need a cup of tea or you think you need sugar, you're the there's an underlying thought associated with that. Um this is where I'm sort of leading with this, is that because I removed these things from my um diet, um I I became aware of some stress patterns, post-trauma stress patterns that are arising from my unconscious. And um I started to realize that you know when you're when you're having these things that make you feel better, they do make you feel better, they have an effect on your emotions and your thoughts. But but lots of the times when we're using them to you know, for stress-related issues, especially, whether it's just ordinary stress or post-trauma stress, and I'd argue that you know the the um the classification of post-traumatic stress is maybe uh very quite rigid. So if you took a spectrum of stress of post-traumatic stress, you'd you'd get people, you know, of post-trauma and they're living fairly you know productive lives, but there is post-trauma somewhere there, and they develop a personality around it, then you get the people at the end of the end of the spectrum who've had severe trauma and they can't function at all, you know, they just cannot function. So there you've got a huge spectrum uh related to different types of personalities, different experiences. But for me, I I I um started seeing this pattern emerging, and the way that manifested in me um physically, I became incredibly tired. And then memories, old memories started to surface. Now, fortunately, because of my energy work, I'm able to use techniques to clear those things, right? But I think that um what the what this uh highlights is that when people do step onto um you know paths of of uh elimination of things from their diet, uh you know it's interesting the m uh the the word elimination, when you eliminate something from your diet, you're basically stopping that um substance from preventing elimination of what is toxic in you. It's almost like removing a b a cork from a bottle, or you know, you allow it to to emerge, which is a good thing. But I think that what many um people aren't aware of is that you can uh eliminate things from your diet, like coffee or caffeine, sugar, you know, wheat, but it's also a matter of what thoughts do you eliminate from your diet of thinking? What emotions do you eliminate so the people that you're around, do you get caught up in the dramas? Do you project your anger onto someone? Do you, you know, that old anger about somebody, do you then because that person might not be around and say that they've passed on to the other side, do you then take that anger and try and work it through someone else to keep the addiction to drama, you know, or that pattern of thought and emotion? Can I share something there?

SPEAKER_02 19:45

Yeah, well, it's it's um I I actually wanted to say something else, but I'm I'm I'm uh you know, I wanted to give an example of what you're speaking about. So when I was in New Zealand, you know, um the the land of the great white cloud, because I've sort of lived in six or seven countries, and had a very successful clinic there. That I had a woman come to me with terrible migraines. And there's never been a migraine I haven't been able to resolve ever, right? Um and she came to me and people had told me about her, and they said, Oh, she's such a lovely woman. Like that's all you ever hear about this, because it's a I was in rural, so it's quite a small community, although people came from far afield to see me. But oh, she's a lovely woman, right? That's all you ever heard about this woman, right? So this woman came and she was absolutely lovely. You know, she really was. If you look up lovely in the English dictionary, it would say, see, you know, the name of this woman, right? And you'd get it, right? So I sat down, and you know, it's terrible migraines. And um, you know, uh, as I do, I take a case history, and I'm very successful and very well known for getting to the bottom of things, you know. Oh, matron. But anyway, getting to the core. I've got to use professional terms, the root causes, right? And oh, but there are causes. And you know, I know the traditional things with migraines, but as I was taking her case history, you know, she told me um that she was she was a Christian, devout Christian, and um she had a uh a lovely husband, obviously. Uh, but three years he was a farrier, and I think it was three years ago. Um people know what that is. Oh, that's a good point. We mustn't make ever any assumptions, right? Yeah. A farrier is basically somebody, which I admire immensely because I'm terrified of horses, that lifts up their feet and changes their shoes or their horses. Now, they might do more than that because I'm ignorant in the world of horses, but that's basically what they do. Okay. Um excuse me. So, anyway, um, and he was very uh experienced. And three years ago, prior to when I met hers, you know, easily, easily 15 years ago, um, one of the horses kicked him and he shot back about 10-15 feet and he hit his head and he was brain damaged. Now, not enough to not be able to function, but um, you know, enough that it ch he was changed. It was not the same man, right? Although it took some time to recover. And I I'll make this very short. And, you know, um when she told me that, I just get this sense this is the beauty of being in front of people and and and connecting with them. And she's telling me a very lovely, you know, it's you know, and it's he's never quite been the same, and it's very sad, you know. And I said, you know, and I but I should make the link that migraines are linked to liver, and liver is anger. So there's usually anger, right? So I said to her, I said, you know, I I feel you're really angry. And she said in such a lovely, soothing, you know, as if as if she'd just waiting for me to catch up with the no, I'm not. You know, I said, No, I I I really strongly, and I'm you know, I'm open to being wrong, but I'm normally not. I really think you feel that you're really angry about this. And again, in a very lovely tone, she said, No, I'm really not, you know. And I said, No, you are. And then I can't do this on the podcast, but think of, you know, when they swear in cartoons, it's you know, whatever, it's like F hashtag, yeah. It was as loud as you can imagine. F F in F in F in not yep, effing and then burst out crying. All right, and just cried and cried and cried and cried, and I just lent her crying the the narcissist that I'm I am. I just leant across with a grin and put my hand on her hand and let her cry. I said, Right now, why don't you tell me what the hell's going on? Right? And she did, right? And she was basically she lost her husband, and she she wished he had died so she could grieve because she was grieving the loss of her husband. He was not the same man, and and there's a second layer to it. She was furious with God, and you can't be you can't be furious with God as a Christian, like a devout church going, you know, God fit. You can't, and she was furious, and it was doing her head in. And guess what happened? All her migraines went. Yeah, right. So I I I wanted to share that story to link it back to grab on that.

SPEAKER_00 24:26

That's in that's important because you know you're talking about the the the trauma. Rather than being that rather than being expressed outwardly as being turned inwards, right? So it goes in.

SPEAKER_02 24:42

I need sorry, sorry to interrupt you. I need to add if it wasn't obvious to the audience and you, because her pattern in the community was she's such a nice woman. Yeah, yeah. She wasn't able to express it because it would break the box. And I've got other stories to tell of of not nice people in a box that became nice, but I just wanted to add that and back to the studio.

SPEAKER_00 25:05

Yeah, it's uh but it's it's so you've got I can't be angry because one, I don't know how to be. I haven't learnt that skill, right? It is a skill. It is. To be angry in a in a non-umaging way is a skill, right?

SPEAKER_02 25:25

Natalie's learnt it, and for those who don't know Natalie, my lovely wife, who who was terminally ill when I met her, and she'd done a lot of the work herself, right? One of her things was she was, you know, super, super nice. She is, she's beautiful in every sense of the word inside and out. But you know, she she um I I encouraged her to express if if I particularly if I pissed her off, right? You know, and and let me tell you, she's learned that skill well. But she's alive and thriving, right?

SPEAKER_00 25:53

And it's a skill that people because anger is thought, you know, it's looked down upon, isn't it? But it's interesting, you're talking about the liver, anger in terms of energy, an energy field is solar plexus, your soul, your gut, you know, that area, and your gallbladder, you know, as well. And that that anger that people hold inside. Uh but the problem is is what you're probably talking about as well, is anger turned into the heart because it's a loved one, yeah. You know, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's the this is this is this is um what I would say uh a classical way that people release. There's repression, then somebody comes along or something comes along to to uh knock that suppression, jiggle it around, and then if the person's able to and they feel comfortable or safe enough, or if if it's the right time, um and that anger comes out, I mean most of the time it it's rage when it's to that that that level. But behind the rage is is the emotion of of of weeping, crying. Yes. And uh, I mean I I I consider crying to be a gift. Yeah. You know, it's it's there for a reason, it's a release. It's when you're happy, you can cry and laugh. I've had cry and laughter with you.

SPEAKER_02 27:16

Yeah, we have, haven't we? We've cried laughter. I've certainly cried round you when they've given me the bill, right? You know, um but but no, you're right, you're right. It's interesting, isn't it? Because you can cry uh laughter, tears of joy, just yeah, and and conversely, and again it's is is why I love Chinese medicine philosophy of the yin and yang, because water is the element of fear, and and and the crying in grief and things like that is it it's the fear of expressing all this deep, you know, will I be able to survive this kind of emotion? Uh, you know, I haven't actually considered the water element when there's joy and laughter.

SPEAKER_00 27:53

Also think about that, you know. So if you have somebody who has that anger, let's take anger for the emotion and it's suppressed, yeah, and they're walking around, you know, I can't be angry, I can't, and then you you bring in the the dietary stuff, and let's say they're in the kitchen, they're in the kitchen angry as I wanna have it, but I can't be angry, and they want something to eat. Is that internal anger going to influence what they eat? Oh that's exactly what 100%. So this is the link between food, emotion, thought, and you know, you could go further and and draw in spirituality if you wanted to, and you know, that person that you're talking about on some level, probably their their higher self or soul wanted to heal them, yeah, wanted it healed. Maybe even her husband, who'd been damaged, his soul wanted her to heal, to be.

SPEAKER_02 28:54

That's why that's why she found me, of course. Everyone that comes to me, I I I can I seriously consider there's a reason of course.

SPEAKER_00 29:02

Same with me. I I take people who come to me that it's a higher force that's drawn them to me. Right. So I that's why we take our work very seriously. Very serious. Because it's contractual, you know.

SPEAKER_02 29:14

With humor. With actually, you know, I mean, look, it this is really, really, really important because you talked about, you know, um the anger or what have you, and the food choices, and then you see these sort of repeating cycles, and we called it the drugs that when the drugs don't work. You know, what I wanted to bring into the conversation is, you know, and it's what naturally better, you know, uh foundationally teaches, is mankind. Um oh god, can I say that? Or do I have to say some sort of gender neutral? Can I they kind? Okay. They they kind we jet if you could see our faces. Um no mankind, human kind, you know, human human beings.

SPEAKER_00 30:05

People kind of read people people kind.

SPEAKER_02 30:09

People kind, no, I don't think you can say that either, right? Geezers, right, geezers. No, the uh the thing is we have been so and I believe it's intentional. I think the evidence is very obvious at different times that that different forces, possibly, you know, you could even call it evil, or at the very least psychopathic, have have leveraged the ability to knock mankind off course. So, you know, what I'm saying is very simplistically, is the life that whoever's listening now, the life you're living now, where you're living, how you're living it, is almost certainly um unnatural. That's the word I'm going to use. You know, that is not the laws, L-O-R-E-S, of this realm. We are we are meant to be um basically not in fight or flight constantly. And most people that I know and deal with are in fight or flight. They would describe it as stress or worry or anxiety. The corporate world, I work with a lot of corporate people. They're some of the most stressed people I know. They are behaving every day, living a life that is not authentic. You know, if if have you ever seen the the movie Liar Liar by Jim Carey? Yeah, okay. If you haven't and and you're what listening to this, go watch that liar liar. It's hilarious because he's a lawyer and his son wishes that his father would stop lying. And so the spell comes on, and he has to continue as a professional lawyer, you know, without lying, and it's hilarious. And why it's so hilarious is because if you actually put that spell on everybody in the corporate world tomorrow for a month, there'd be murder. There'd be there'd certainly be hardly any employees left, right? So the point is man is living, I mean mankind, womankind, in in an unnatural environment for the better part. Um, and therefore uh the stresses are unnatural, and therefore the human spirit, without the knowledge to understand what's going on, will seek the drug that works. So the cycle that most Westerners have is wake up, and they're woken up by an alarm clock, which I think should be, you know, um a criminal offense to own an alarm clock, right? But so you're meant to wake up naturally when the body's finished, whatever cycle, to natural light. But anyway, get woken up, your cortisol is high, the stress hormone. Um, you probably wake up feeling like crap where you need more sleep or negative. It's certainly not, whoa, let's go. This is great, right? You get out of bed and you start the increased adrenaline and cortisol stimulants, which is normally coffee, tea, sugar, in it. Anything to just like bam, okay, I can get up and do things. You get stressed throughout the day with what you've got to do, pick up the kids, you know, finish this, you know, see a patient, whatever it is, right? Pay a bill. Oh god, I haven't been paid, you know, stress, stress, stress, stress, stress, stress. Then you come home and you reach for the downers. So the coffee and all in all the sugar and the the dope is is the uppers. Now you want the downers, which is alcohol or or grass or weed, which I uh absolutely adamant that anyone is long-term on grass is is is detrimental to them. Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 33:30

I'd like to add a little bit to that, these these uppers and downers. What people don't realize um is that you know we're not just a physical vehicle, there we have subtle anatomy. And I I know because it's an area of my work, that when you take uppers and downers and drugs that alter consciousness, that imprint remains in your subtle anatomy. So it affects how you perceive other people, consciousness, and how you interact with other people in the world. So those patterns, I mean, I I know from my experience working with people with addiction that they can change patterns of um you know, not having something, do maybe emotional and mental work, but there's still an energetic makeup that needs to change. Yeah. And that's the that's what you know, that's the the the harmony between body, mind and spirit, which is ancient, huh?

SPEAKER_02 34:34

Yeah, and it's is why we describe everything as dis, especially when we say it in an audio, dispos ease. Because that's where the word comes from. It really is mind, body, and spirit, and the patterns that you know we get we talk about patterns on the podcast a lot, but the the and and again, you know, this one's about trauma and then you know, doing subtraction and then allowing things to come up, and you see that it always was there. So, you know, most people would say, Oh, I ain't got trauma. I'm back to the geezer, mate, for some reason, but I ain't got trauma, mate. You know, and and you know, actually, very interesting. It's um perhaps this is why this happened. I came across a podcast the other day, it's absolutely fascinating. I can't remember what it's called.

SPEAKER_00 35:19

I was it called uh the Doctors No More podcast.

SPEAKER_02 35:21

Oh no, it wasn't as good as that, right? But um no, it was it was brilliant, absolutely brilliant. But it's these geezers, it's this English geezer who's obviously you know done some stuff, right? Yeah, and he's interviewing other geezers who have done bigger stuff, and and I mean like violence and murder and prison time, and they're tattooed, and they're like, you know, if you met them, you'd be like I I'm frightened.

SPEAKER_00 35:48

Um so they're on the road to recovery, are they?

SPEAKER_02 35:51

Yes, that's why it was so fascinating.

SPEAKER_00 35:53

Brilliant.

SPEAKER_02 35:54

Because because they're telling their stories. So this chap was into this you know, hard as nails tattooed, you know, um nightmare if you met him on the wrong side, right? And he's he's talking about his prison time and you know, in prisons in England. I didn't know this. There's a lot of Muslims, and there's a lot of you know, uh English boys, and it's really horrific in there, right? It's it's like the level of violence is unbelievably bad, and how they perpetrate that. So the stress is is never ending, right?

SPEAKER_00 36:29

And have you ever been in prison?

SPEAKER_02 36:32

Me?

SPEAKER_00 36:33

Like visited a prison. Have you ever visited a prison?

SPEAKER_02 36:36

No, no, no. My brother, I think, thinks I should be in one, you know, but that's another story for another day. But anyway, um, quack. Anyway, um I'd I'd come and visit you. Would you? Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 36:46

Yeah, I'd bring you, I'd bring you cake, or but oh, but you're off wheat, sorry, sorry.

SPEAKER_02 36:50

No, not in prison, I won't be, right? And if you bring me cake, right, you you need to smuggle me in some Sauvignon Blanc from the Marlborough region, is it? But anyway, anyway, so he's interviewing this hard as hard as they come. Yeah. Right. If you don't know that term, uh I I think the term is relevant in North America, where many listeners are, but hard means like you are just a hard man. You are you're just like, you know, alpha. Hard life, you you you fight, you you you know, there's no rules, it's like I'm gonna kill you. So this chap's telling all these experiences in prison and and also what he'd done to get himself in prison, all of it, you know, horrific. And what I admired about this podcast, I must find it, is he then goes on to say how he became that way. His his mother was a prostitute because um for whatever reasons, trauma, right? And um, you know, he just I can't remember all the details, so I don't want to misquote it. But you can quite easily imagine that not good things did he witness and not good things happened to him. And so he found drugs, it's always drugs, in my experience, you know, alcohol and drugs, and drugs led him into I want more money to get more drugs, and also I'm starting to get a reputation as a geezer, even young, right? Went to Borstal, which is juvenile prison here. And if you ever want to know what Borstal is like, there's an iconic movie that I you you know what I'm gonna say, right? Uh no, I don't know, but there's a iconic movie called Scum.

SPEAKER_00 38:29

Oh, I haven't seen that.

SPEAKER_02 38:30

Yeah, it's the first movie of um what's his name? He's a really big actor now, with uh some okay, I can't think of his name, but he's a he's a big, big actor now, and he's always done those kind of roles, but it is brutal, yeah. Um but anyway, what the point is apart you know, to tie him to this conversation and hand back to you. I admire them immensely because on a podcast, this hard as nails bloke, who's obviously turned his life round um uh and um perceivably doing great things, and I think he's reaching people that I would struggle to reach because they're not like to listen to me, and explaining that it all began as a kid and the trauma and the patterns, and because I didn't have the tools, and he and he actually articulates it pretty well, actually. You know, because I didn't have the tools and because I didn't have the guidance and I didn't have the male figures, I naturally was siphoned energetically, he doesn't quite use his words, energetically into the wrong hands. And then the patterns are I'm a I'm a criminal, I'm a geezer, and I do violence and drugs.

SPEAKER_00 39:41

Yeah, you could you could argue that that's engineered that you know those things are out there to engineer to get kids like that into things like that. 100%, yeah. I mean but you you understand what I'm saying, right? You know, I do, yeah. I mean I I I um uh when I was um looking in between jobs, I I did like a um uh a locum in a prison as a dentist. Did I I did not know that. Yeah, and it it was uh one of the London prisons, and and I I went there and I thought, Oh, I'll go around the back, and there'll be a little little place there, little practice at the back where you know the the inmates are seen, and it'll be fine straight in front door, right in the way everyone goes in, and I just walking past cells and people's faces up against you know, locked up. Yeah, it was it's like hell, you know.

SPEAKER_02 40:41

No, it is hell because hell's hell. Well I treated a prisoner, right? And he said, if you want to make someone an animal, put them in a cage, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:51

It was like that, and I I went to where you know I was working, they had like a dental practice set up in there, yeah, and every single uh person who came in for treatment that day, one they were really polite to me, right? Respectful because I wasn't there to give them grief, I was there to help them in some way, right? But the thing I saw in each person was a wounded child, yeah, a deeply wounded child, you know, and that uh and that's that's what starts people onto a road like that. Um but it's interesting. I I I also find it fascinating saying that these guys, you know, who you would you know run from uh in in their roughest times, you would not like to meet someone like that. But can you see how even on that level, when people turn something around and start to heal themselves, they can create knowledge that anyone like that that can then use, they can help people. So, whatever level that you're self-healing, you are able to take that knowledge and share it with other people.

SPEAKER_02 42:09

Right, and and what I loved about listening to this chat is you know, it's clear to see, I think, for anyone if you watch the podcast, because they they they have the visuals up as well of how hard and tattooed that he has become that, you know, that visually to because fundamentally the little boy's scared of being hurt. Now, when you look like that, 99% of people are like, gonna, you know, I'm not going near you, right? And so you're it's a protection thing, is what I'm saying, right? And it's so obvious to me in in those realms. Now, now we're talking about the extreme, but as a general rule, you and I don't get the extremes. We get the the uh normal, the usual, the day-to-day people that have tried to live a good life, and yet it's still the same. You know, I I'm I'm going to um you know mention one case now and and and and uh they may be listening, but uh that's okay. But you know, they have asthma, you know, or at least the the label of asthma. Now, I've never had a case of asthma, and almost all of them we've we've remedied, right, that didn't begin the very first time with a shock trauma. So something shocking. And they went, you know, breathed in, which is obvious when you're frightful, you know, and and boof, asthmatic, right? And then they went to the doctor, got the drugs, and then then there's a pattern that starts there. And with this particular person, we certainly identified, you know, the very first time was a very deep shock, right? However, when you go back deeper, you find out that the the foundations for it to manifest were there from child. Childhood and in childhood, their father was particularly um I want to use the right words, I want to use psychotic, but certainly scary. Right? You know, certainly they described it as when dad came home, we were treading on eggshells, right? So so the the home environment became, you know, oh my god, I've got to keep the peace unconsciously, keep the peace and not be authentic. And also another aspect of it was he used to chase them up the stairs to beat them and and and and punish them, right? And to this day, this this very mature person, you know, uh can't have someone coming up the stairs behind them, or if they run up the stairs, it triggers things, right? So bringing it back to the usual, meaning the ordinary folk that tend to come to us, because those that fighter, that criminal, ex-criminal doesn't as a general rule, you know, it's it's still extremely relevant that what patterns you've got now, diagnosed or not, what problems you've got now, diagnosed or not, if you start to look back to the origins of where you learnt your patterns, and then what you did, um, again, back to Barbara, you chose the drugs that work, and they are either suppress it, or what I see very frequently in alcohol brought you out of your shell because you're so frightened. But either way, they're used as drugs. What what do you say to that?

SPEAKER_00 45:28

Yeah, I mean, I I think what it touches on for me was is that you know when the you know that moment when you experience a trauma, you know, you don't you don't think you're in a trauma, do you? You're you're in it.

SPEAKER_02 45:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:43

So it's it's real. So all all your survival mechanisms kick in. And if it's a really severe trauma, they they kick in to a much um uh amplify, much more amplified level than just uh what I would say. If unresolved, yeah. But it's uh but what happens is that people get traumas, yeah, and then they you know they have to get on with they have to live life. You know, it's not like a goat that falls on the floor and almost looks like it dies, you know. You have you have to you have to get on on with life, so you have to live. So what happens is that that trauma's held somewhere, and then you're creating coping mechanisms on top, you're compacting things consciously. You you know, you have to deal, and these traumas then affect how you navigate life, how confident you are, um, whether you, you know, you're you're ditched out or triggered by something.

SPEAKER_02 46:45

But it's interesting, I how authentic you are, because one of the most common things I see, and I saw it in my own father. My mother used to call him the man with two heads or the eagle with two heads. You know, everybody else, he's this charming, funny, lovely chap, right? And at home, that's not how he was. He was triggered frequently. And you know, I mean, I love my father, and he I I understand his flaws and his began in boarding school where a lot of these things happened, but but two different people. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:14

I think I think lots of people would would would agree with that. Most people are like that family life and and community life, that pattern is um is pretty broken. Yeah, I think that started with the industrial revolution, to be honest.

SPEAKER_02 47:28

Yeah, oh for sure. If it took us off the land, yeah, put us into an artificial environment, and made us behave in a way that's not natural.

SPEAKER_00 47:36

I'm trying to like link this back to my you know my detoxing thing, is what I noticed is that that moment when I had a trauma, I had to carry on with life, you know, because I you know I had to sort of support, be there for people. So you you you you sort of lock it away, and then you you you know, because I've got knowledge of trauma and it's one of the things I love working with, and I like yourself, it's like I find it interesting. You know, I always think why? Why have I experienced this? What's what's the what's the goal in it? What's what's the lesson in it? So what happens is people they go through trauma and they they're functioning on some level, yeah. And then they their functioning mechanism or pattern is behavioral stuff. Oh, I'm not gonna talk to that person anymore, they trigger me. Uh maybe I'll be less this in this job, or maybe I'll move to this place, maybe I'll become different in my relationship with someone, maybe I'll eat this these other types of foods that support me. So as soon as you start to make a decision to say, right, I'm gonna take away some of these things that are linked to the trauma coping mechanism, yeah, you give space for it to emerge from the unconscious. And that's sometimes where people fall, you know, you're saying fall off the wagon. So the the typical thing for a um an addicted person, whatever the addiction is, let's say it's a hard drug, yeah, and they're on a on a a recovery program, um and um they they're making progress because they they're taking the drug away, and they they're maybe making progress, but there's there's not enough involvement in creating new patterns, right? Right? So they're they're stuck in this limbo place, and then the unconscious material emerges, they don't know what to do with it because they've never been taught how to deal with it. They've just been taught to go and speak to someone, or you know, some you know, some people even get less less harmful drugs as a as a coping mechanism. But as soon as you remove those things and the unconscious stuff comes up, you have to have ways of dealing with it. Otherwise, you're either gonna, you know, have to get used to crying, getting angry, um raging about something, and getting it, getting those emotions out, getting used to expressing those emotions in a non-violent way to someone, right? And I'm not saying that you don't say how you feel sometimes to someone, I'm talking about being violent towards someone because you can any person could kill another person if they if something happens happens that's makes them angry enough in that moment, it's within us all, right? And that's the shadow within everyone. We could we could all do the worst things, you know, but we don't. I mean, I quite like the the the Buddhist idea about you know, um, rather than saying good or you know, positive or negative emotions that we we talk about, they they say more of favorable or unfavorable, right? So an example would be it doesn't mean that say someone's angry and they say get something off their chest and it they're honest to someone, and it sorts the problem out between them, and then both people move on to a better understanding of themselves in life. That's not seen as a negative emotion, that's a favorable expression of anger. Now, let's say someone is repressed and they're saying, Oh, you're really great, you are, but it doesn't they don't mean it. Yeah, that's unfavorable. So it's a different way of looking at emotions and thoughts, you know.

SPEAKER_02 51:43

We we're going to talk in the future, you know, about you know, actual drug addiction. Um it's I've helped, you know, drug addicts, and they're the hardest to help. Um basically because they've become liars and they're so good at lying they don't believe they're lying, and so I have to create this space. But uh but that that's for another time, and it's fascinating because one of the things is is you know, which is why I don't like the 12 steps, although I recognise it's helped many, is you you re-strengthen a pattern every time you go to one of those meetings. You know, I'm I'm Gareth, and you know, I'm uh you know, a pork pie addict. You know, I mean just strengthen your pork pie addiction. How did you know? Listen, I probably shouldn't have released that. We might need to edit that. Yeah, it's out of it.

SPEAKER_00 52:29

And it's the it's it's the pickle ones as well.

SPEAKER_02 52:33

Odd. Whoever went, rather than put pickle on the pork pie, why don't we I mean can you imagine that why don't we mix it in with the meat? Anyway, I I wanted to share another story that that that supports that we people haven't got the tools, so they reach for the drugs. I again I had a a client in New Zealand and um a Christian again, and and very, very sadly they'd they'd uh been raped uh uh in their life and they were understandably angry, you know, and it was eating away, eating away at them. And again, because they were a Christian, they didn't feel they had you know, I know if there's Christians just saying praise, you can pray. Um I think she'd done all those things, but she was very, very angry, and it was you know destroying her, you know, from the inside out. And um, she was a keen cyclist, and you know, I talked about you know, you need to be getting a punch bag or something and just letting this energy out of you or whatever. And I can't remember how we got there, but we decided, and I I also said, you know, there's merit in cussing and swearing. Again, you know, Christians probably would disagree with me, but I've seen the different the the alternative side of it. But so anyway, she started to she felt that she could get on a bike in in rural New Zealand and cycle around swearing. That she she felt that God would understand that and no one would would hear her. And it helped her tremendously, right? Unfortunately, the side effect of it was being in a rural community, within about eight weeks, uh, in the community they were discussing whether she had Tourette syndrome. Because they'd heard her, like the farmers had heard her go through on a bike, you know, this cycling tourette syndrome woman. It was a hilarious story, really. But it really, really, really helped her. But but but but you know, back to seriousness, even though you should wait though.

SPEAKER_00 54:32

You should wait because I'm sure at some point that will be a classification somewhere in medicine.

SPEAKER_02 54:38

What cycling tourette's somewhere cycling tourette. Mind you, there's probably enough of them around London right now, right? You know, everything, you know, whatever. But but what I wanted to bring in, which which is something that I've observed. Now, I don't know whether listeners are aware of German new medicine, and and uh unfortunately, like most um disciplines or professions, they've kind of just gone, that's it. There's nothing else involved, which I disagree with. But nonetheless, I think German new medicine is a very fascinating um uh discipline to study. And essentially, it was a German oncologist um um whose who whose son was murdered by I think it was an Arabian prince. So it was bad enough murder of your adult son, but it was public, it was in the papers, so you know, uh exaggerated trauma, if you like. And two years after that, excuse me, he developed prostate cancer, I think it was. And he for you know, he's German, so they're very literal thinking, they tend not to go out of the box, and he's an oncologist, right? You know, put you know, cut, burn, and poison is his career. But he he for some reason went, I wonder if the death of my son is related to my prostate cancer. And so, to cut a very long story short, uh, Dr. Hammer is his name was, he decided to take all the records that he could and of the living cancer patients and asked them if they had any trauma, especially in the last two years. Well, actually, it goes back further than that, but and then and they all had trauma, right? You know, like significant trauma. So he decided to do a CT scan, I think it was, and see if there's any physiological markers or or whatever. And he found, you know, and I know crit cynics will argue this, but he found in the brain um these sort of um they look more like a constellation, or if you've cut a uh a tree down the annual rings, but they're not there's definitely these patterns of calcification in the brain that he could find. And depending on what part of the brain, there's three germs, three layers. Germs are the original cells that you grow out of, those three of them. Depending on which um germ cell it was in, if it was unresolved, it would manifest as somewhere in the body relative to that brain. So this is kind of, I think you kind of proved Chinese medicine, to be honest, in a Western way, but it would manifest either as two types of disease, because as far as I'm concerned, there are only are two types of disease: destruction of tissue, growth of tissue. They're the two diseases with a billion different names. So they'd either be, you know, destruction of tissue or growth of tissue. And so his whole theory was you need to get back and properly resolve the trauma. And when you do, it actually sparks a healing crisis, which most doctors would normally interpret as things getting worse. And if you manage that through correctly, people would heal. And there's been a great deal of success. Now, what I would add to that, which I think they've missed, I might be wrong, but I think they've missed. And it's certainly what I observe, and I think it's what you observe, and I think is what the listeners are experiencing, is he's talking about what I call Mike Tyson trauma. Now, why do I call it Mike Tyson trauma? What was Mike Tyson famous for? The big punch knockout, right? So Ray, you know, crime, um, you know, walking in on your wife and finding her in bed with someone, you know, whatever, a death. Sudden, Mike Tyson, bam, didn't see that coming. Trauma, right? And it's relevant. I, the trauma I mostly see, I see all of that, unfortunately. You know, every case history I find horrific trauma suppressed and undealt with. But what there's what I call the Muhammad Dali trauma. So, what was Muhammad Dali famous for, other than being extremely clever and funny? He would jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, and wear you down. And while he was wearing you down, he'd talk to you in boxing. You know, he'd he'd annoy you, he'd irritate you, he'd just wear you down, and when you were absolutely worn down, bam, he'd put you on. That's so the Muhammad Dali trauma is what I see more of. And then behind that, of course, is the deeper trauma. And that Muhammad Dali trauma is the unnatural life that we are currently living, the working to get by the you know, blah, blah, blah, blah.

SPEAKER_00 59:02

It's not new stuff, though, is it?

SPEAKER_02 59:04

No, but it's this is but it has been swept under the carpet as stress.

SPEAKER_00 59:09

You know, look, every single person in this world is gonna experience some form of loss, some form of ill health, some form of trauma on some level. We we live in a realm that has that, you know, and you know, we should really be at a point where we say, look, uh, this is a fact of life. Uh, some I mean, I believe some traumas are are naturally occurring, some are uh engineered and unnatural, you know. Um uh but we you know we should be at the point now where people are looking at trauma in a more positive way. And I think I I suppose they are. Uh I mean German new medicine is one example of that. Yeah. Um and um I mean I I talking about going to work early, I I um earlier in uh last week, I was uh I was just in Waterloo Station and there's guys there who'd been to war, you know, veterans. And I and I went up to the guy who said, I thought I'm gonna give them some you know a donation. Uh I don't I don't agree with war. I'm not a fan of it, right? But I just thought I said to him, I said, how many of your guys are like post-traumatic? He said loads. He said there's thousands of us on the street. Yeah I said and he said the government doesn't care about us. Of course it's so it it's like it's crazy, you know, that you people have roped into these traumatic situations. Yeah, they're used and they're used in some way, and then they're left you know, to deal with to pick up the pieces themselves. I I would argue the word is criminal over crazy because I think some of these experiences that people get, you know, um I don't I don't I don't like to say they cannot be healed, but they're very difficult to heal.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:04

Yeah, well, I I had a mechanic um that's ex-squaddie, you know, so never rose up the ranks, just squatty, you know, and uh he had a drinking problem for sure. Um I don't think he was ready to accept it, but he did. And he'd been to um, I think it was Afghanistan, and they're trained to follow orders, and uh and he should he shared this story with me, you know. Uh one of the things they would do is uh they've been told that there were, you know, um the enemy in in certain houses, um, but they were told to just break the door down, and the word he uses spray the the house, which means you know, automatic weapons. Yeah, and they would he killed children, women, babies, you know, the lot in that spraying, and you know, he would talk quite matter-of-factly, I've trained for that, we follow orders, blah blah blah. But the reality was right, the soul's been damaged.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:01

He can't, you know. So you can you can understand. I mean, if that you can understand, you know, when somebody comes back from that. So when you're in that reality, that's your reality. Yeah, so you're living it irrespective of what you're going through, then you take that person out away from that, almost like you're you're taking away something from their addiction, right? They're they're forced to be addicted to that. You take them away, you bring them home away from it. You can understand why people get onto alcohol and drugs, huh? Yeah, and this guy's a good man.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:36

He he he believed he was doing the right thing, and also he'd get into fights.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:40

Yeah, all the processing that he cannot do, and it's like, do I try to process all this, you know, all the emotions and thoughts, or do I just have a drink?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:50

Yeah, well, obviously the drink works, right? But the fights, he'd get into fights and trouble because but he was going to the defense of a weaker somebody who was being intimidated usually by a drunk because it's in a pub, right? And so his whole reality and why he drunk was there's no justice. I'm what I'm trying to do, I'm trying to help. You know, I was told I was helping, but the spirit and the the brain can't can't um remedy those two because the reality of what he's experienced is you just get in more trouble, your life gets more shit, and you know, you know, and I don't know you're living to drink.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:26

I don't want to seem flowery, but the only energy that can can really heal that is love. It's not flat- Why is that flat?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:34

See, see, actually, this is the point of this podcast, right? You you come in there almost tiptoeing to bring in, you know, uh the most important thing because it's love, yeah. It is love because if you if you think about it, if you think about the word of dis-ease, right, and where it came from, that not at ease, what we're talking about is harmonically, it is disharmonic or whatever the correct word is. And we want to be in harmony. People want peace, people want to feel safe. Why? So that they can feel love. Now, when someone love can come in many guises, right? And actually, back to that podcast, that guy said, you know, there's only one woman he's loved, and there's only one woman that was able to give him love, right? So he was still seeking love, reassurance, peace, humility, humanity, humor. And it's not fluffy. And and actually, I'll go further, yeah, Mr. Dr. Gareth Thomas, you know, esteemed colleague, right? It's the it when you go into these professional organizations, especially hospitals, but any corporate situation, right? There's there there is uh the lack of love. You know, I know there's some nurses and porters and people and probably doctors trying to do it, but you know, it's they've removed the salt, they've removed the heartbeat. You know, and moving forward, we look, I I've got a client right now and he works for a psychopath, right, high up in corporate world. Is a psychopathic loving? No. You know, and so it isn't fluffy. You know, one of the things I've written into the Naturally Better World Health Project, the third evolvement of this document that I wrote 15 years ago, is people before profit. You know, it's it's not a new concept. You know, people before profit. And, you know, love, and look, it doesn't mean you can love everybody. Some people you've got to wish them well and well, well away from you, but that's also love. I wish you well, right? But well away from me, right? It's not it doesn't mean we have to, you know, be some kind of Buddhist guru and hug everybody and love, you know, it's just not realistic, I think, in such a challenged world. But the essence of love must be in there.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:57

Two Buddhists they don't go around hugging people or the time. That's true actually. I've never had a probably they they they're quite detached, you know. They're quite detached. So yeah. Um I think I mean I there's a lot of misunderstanding. I mean that would would tie into forgiveness. People find it difficult for to forgive themselves and to be forgiven you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:20

Well well let's define because I think it's the one of the most misunderstood words um and therefore actions what for you because I know what it is for me for and for what I teach what is forgiving someone that that screwed you over?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:38

For forgive forgiveness usually for me um tends to relate to one person or another person or one person, a group of people there's there's always two sides to it. There's conflict right there's a conflicting feeling and forgiveness for me is being able to let go of memory that may be traumatic or difficult. Not only from a person that you feel has damaged you but also from your own involvement in it. So you're completely freed up from that so that you can move on and it doesn't mean when you forgive somebody that it's okay what somebody did to you. It's not about forgiving and going back into that relationship. It's about saying I've come to the point in my life where I'm deciding to allow the energy of forgiveness in to free myself up from these memories, these emotions these this relationship so I can move on in life to something better. That's mine.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:49

So you know I have a similar and and it's one of the the techniques that I or or or concepts that I work very much so one-to-one with people and the best I can you know in the in the in my live clinic Q ⁇ A's and my membership you know where possible but essentially for me forgiveness is not necessarily forgetting it is because some horrible things have been done by people to people like the worst of the worst right but it is accepting that it's over that whatever was done to you or or many cases you did to them it's over you can't go back you can't change it right and and if it's more than seven years ago every cell in your body has died and been renewed so there's not one physical part of you that is still tarnished or whatever words you may feel of that trauma or event that's helped a lot of people so the next level is to emotionally release it and look forward there is some merit to revisiting things for maybe some clarity but in my experience even the worst things that have been done to people once you accept that not one cell in your body physically is affected by that time and there's nothing you can do to change it therefore the only thing tying you to it is a memory a pattern and a vibration you may as well work on today making today great and looking forward and and bringing in the more you do that the more you're creating new patterns and new as you well know more you know the new patterns attract more people similar to that pattern and you know repel the others and that's what for me forgiveness is because I don't think it's possible in most cases even with hypnotherapy for the memory to go the the you when they've healed for me they can talk about it think about it and the the emotional negatives no longer are at worst strong emotional vibrations. In in relation to subtle uh energy so the non-physical part of your consciousness what happens is that that memory that difficult memory has a vibration when you start to change its vibration you lift it up yeah so it has less power to attract difficult emotions and link you to that that person or or situation in the past so you're able then to carry it in a in a lighter way yeah you know yeah actually I love and and and we we're coming to the end of episode 10 I love the fact that you said in a lighter way because you know it's not that word in every sense of its meaning it's not just a heavy burden that you've carried and where you've carried it in your body is usually where physical things manifest either growth or destructive and that's why I love the link. But it's also light because you know through throughout eons of time however long we've really actually been here because that's quite an interesting conversation in and of itself you know we've sought enlightenment you know on in light month mind into the chat head chat crown chakra into the body and you know evil has always been referred to darkness and truth and goodness and godness has always been referred to the light and the sun is the light of the world as far as I am concerned and that's actually a very interesting comment but nonetheless the light whether you take it from a jack crew's perspective that light is the you know the the the conductor of everything therefore it's very important but but certainly to to once you um understand these things and use the techniques and the teachings that hopefully you and I teach and apply them to your life you literally become lighter as a light being it's not woo-woo it's not I mean I I would I would add to you talked about a crown chakra it's interesting because people who have uh you know severe attachment to something which is addiction um you can do everything to try and turn them around you can assist them you can be there to help them but they have to make a decision themselves something higher yeah of themselves has to come in and that comes in through the crown chakra yes so it's usually something happens the higher self of that person says you know what it's got to change all the soul pressure it says look there needs to be change yeah and they allow that thought in and that's when things start to shift. Well this is a beautiful you know coming to the end you know full circle to the the beginning and we never know how we're going to do these things but the no protocol you know wwthenoprotocol.com go and have a look at it it's only 45 bucks um is designed to start to subtract the noise or the drugs that were suppressing these things and as you remove them these things bubble up and then you jump off the wagon usually and if you read the no protocol sales page it's written for you to screw up to fail to to fall off and then get back not quit but to go oh that's interesting and have a look at it and you know ultimately you know what healing is from whatever label you've been ascribed is to quiet quiet enough noise so that the truth and the signals can bubble up including what you're designed to eat because we're the only animal that doesn't know what to eat right so it allows a space for um and it can be done over a you know a year or more even but certainly 90 days a lot will be revealed to you but the whole point of it is usually not what you give someone but what you take away from them. And so on that you know if it's okay with me to just wrap it up here Garrett on that note because we'll you know we'll we'll we've got some really nice and interesting podcasts ahead of us including what is birth and what is death and and and you know the the terrible potentially terrible patterns um or policies that are coming into countries now with with assisted suicide. So we're gonna be talking about that you know going forward amongst other things as well as we want to fully put it out there that we want some guests on to have a conversation not an interview like this but we're particularly looking for quote unquote you know professionals or citizen scientists that have woken up to use that term and seen things differently during their you know evolution of their knowledge and experience. We want we want to get them on to have a conversation but you know I very much enjoy I always love talking to you and I hope very much that the listeners have enjoyed and now I'm absolutely inspired to to to write the pork pie and pickle protocol you know I think there's merit just by looking at your smiling face that maybe 90 days of only you know pork pie and pickle could be an untouched count me in count me right I'm you're up for it right oh yeah no way am I missing out on that okay all right so um once again you know thank you Doc Thomas love talking to you and um for now we're signing out this is Doctors no more thank you for listening to North the what