The Doctors No More Podcast: The Medical Renaissance

Medicine is supposed to be a healing art. So why does it so often feel like a fear-driven machine built around liability, quotas, and “just in case” interventions? We dig into what we call the medical renaissance: a turning point where clinicians and the public are starting to question the systems, incentives, and stories that have shaped modern healthcare for decades.

We start with a real hospital experience following a major seizure, where compassion in the acute moment slowly shifts into escalation mode: more tests, bigger diagnoses, heavier drugs, and the creeping sense that decisions are being made to protect institutions rather than serve the person in front of us. From there we unpack defensive medicine, iatrogenic harm, and how medical litigation pressure quietly rewires clinical judgment. We also talk about how healthcare management has moved power away from practitioners and into spreadsheets, targets, and business logic, while appointment times shrink and real listening disappears.

Then we widen the lens. A true healthcare renaissance doesn’t just mean better policies, it means a new foundation: lifestyle medicine, circadian biology, prevention, and environments that support healing through natural light, better airflow, and less chronic stress on both staff and patients. We go deeper into empowerment and self-healing, the role of truth and discernment, and why rebuilding trust requires treating people as people again.

If this conversation hits a nerve, share it with someone who’s been feeling the same shift. Subscribe, leave a review, and send us a message with the topics you want us to tackle next.

Transcript

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SPEAKER_00 1:22

Well, welcome back to Doctors No More. Uh, this is, I think, episode 14. And for those of you who've been paying attention, and to my shame, while I was doing some work with some hard drives, I managed to lose episode six and episode nine. So hopefully we'll find them one day. But if you're uh um writing to me saying, Where's episode six and episode nine? I don't know, to my shame, and I felt gutted because they were particularly funny and shocking. Yeah, you know, but you know, this is the kind of level of unprofessionalism that you're listening to, and Gareth is working with him being the consummate profession. In fact, you're the grown-up in the relationship, probably. Mike. Well, you know, there's there's been some comments, but anyway, welcome back. We're episode we think 14. We're recording this uh uh on the the 9th of March 2026, and thank you so much to all our listeners that are writing to us and sharing and commenting.

SPEAKER_01 2:22

I've spoken to all three of them, all three of them, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:25

To all three of those listeners, you know, thank you. Uh which is basically two members of your family and one paid person from uh Fiverr. Anyway, but no, thank you so much for all your wonderful comments. You're enjoying it as much as we are recording it, and um, you know, long, long may they rain. But today we're going to talk, you know, or and we we again we don't know what we're going to say, but we're going to talk about you know what I've entitled the medical renaissance. And I don't think that is an over-dramatization of the the the the the this place in time that we find ourselves. Now, what does this mean?

SPEAKER_01 3:08

Yeah, does this mean that we're gonna have doctors picking up easels and starting to paint wonderful pictures?

SPEAKER_00 3:16

Well, uh I what I'm going to do is masterfully, hopefully, twist that into in in in one sense, yes, because it should never have been the practice of medicine, it should have been the art of medicine.

SPEAKER_01 3:31

Did you like that? Do you like what I did? I like that, yeah, a lot.

SPEAKER_00 3:35

You know, and I think that's what we're going to talk about. And actually, you know, since you've gone there, you know, I think the medical renaissance, you know, without jumping forward too much, is also about the doctor being able to be human, you know, uh and show all their personalities and qualities within a framework that has put them into a a space that is the opposite of what they currently find themselves in. In fact, this episode is, you know, we're doing it specifically hoping that that doctors and pharmacists, and we know certainly nurses and others working in the press pre profession are listening and will resonate with, because at the end of the day, you know, let's do the bad. We know, I mean, from from working with thousands and thousands of quote unquote patients, and patients is a bullshit word, people, right? We know that within modern medicine, you know, every field actually, but within modern medicine, there are definitely god-like narcissistic assholes, you know, that are abusing their power, abusing everything, and may not even be very good at what they do. But we know those people exist. We know they talk to people with disrespect and that kind of, do you know who I am? Right. However, put those to one side. They exist for sure. They get to the top, it seems, for sure. But we're equally aware that most people, you know, go into medicine, whichever branch, you know, because they're good people wanting to do good things. Yes, of course, it's a career and there's status and potential uh money earning, but I don't doubt for one moment that the vast majority of people are good, good willed, you know, you know, even if their um abilities and their uh skills and professions are not are not honoring what their their intent. And actually, Gareth, I had to go into a hospital recently. I don't know if I shared it with you. I had to go into hospital recently, um uh uh basically with someone that had had a big seizure. Um we went in there as a sort of a consenting adult um because they're not able to make the best decisions. And and and this seizure, which is not the seizure the problem, it's the aftermath where they start hallucinating, needed to be sedated, and we were in there sort of keeping an eye on it. And the people that were helping were absolutely lovely. Took eight or nine people, right? And they were absolutely diamonds, no doubt about it, right? However, as the sedation kicked in and they all kind of went off of, oh my god, that was quite traumatic, and they went about the rest of their business. As the sedation, you know, wore off a few hours later, and that's when we wanted to get this person out, you know, the the for me it was clear as day, the I must be a doctor kicked in. And they started ordering tests and lumbar punctures and you know, started throwing around viral meningitis and kidney failure, and you know, you know, they just went I mean the escalation was extraordinary. And and we want to do IV antibiotics and antivirals, and you know, now I know through my career, um, certainly looking at the treatment of pandemics and even the causes of historical pandemics, including the last one, that usually the medicine is the one that's you know killed them or made them worse, having looked at it in great detail over the years. And I saw this still, you know, playing out. So these really nice people, in my opinion, my professional opinion, were about to do everything wrong that could have escalated this human being's and I know they recover very well after they come out of the the seizure a bit, right? They were going to escalate and I mean a lumbar puncture. I've known people that were paralyzed. Now you shouldn't be able to be paralyzed from a lumbar puncture, but I've known people where they got it wrong, for example. Nor should you be penetrating the spinal cord uh or or the or that um space to get the fluid. You shouldn't be doing these things, right? And also, you know, if they had to put in a fluoroquinoline antibiotic, you know, there's something called fluxed or fluxed flux, I think it is, that could be very deficit. So the point being, as we start this, and I hand over to you. Um this medical renaissance that I've you know hanging my coat on now energetically is, I believe, um talking to many, many people, and over the last few years through CONVID, seeing more and more um doctors and pharmacists and certainly nurses coming forward and talking to us. And I've seen them on other podcasts and and talking very frankly, finally, about the damage that is being done, particularly CONVID and those vaccinations. And um, I I think it's unbelievable that anybody could argue this at this point. You know, if they show show me the study, I just want to laugh and then slap them. But nonetheless, there is a huge confidence crisis going on in the public. It only yesterday when I did my QA, you know, at Dr. Jeremy's Life Clinic, uh, go to Jeremiah's.com if you want to join that. But only the other day when I was doing my life clinic, one of uh my great members in Ireland, although they're in Scotland now, was listening to us while driving. She had to pull over and and call in, right, or ask to speak. And she said, she she deals with people a lot. She said, it's unbelievable how many people, you know, normal folk, you know, which two, three years ago was unheard of, are saying to her, unprompted, you know, the COVID vaccines are making people sick, you know, or um uh Statins was another one which was surprised. It seems the cat's out the bag that cholesterol is not the the bag big bad foe that it's been painted as. And there's see, some people don't even know there was a fucking bag with a cat in it, right? But the cat's out the bag, you know, and and it's extraordinary. So you and I have, you know, been doing this for a very, very long time, and it's been very difficult at times, and you know, it's isolated us more and more, and to to stay quote unquote professional has become even more challenging, you know, why we do what we do and why we learn what we learn and try and teach what we teach. And yet, it really is looking, in spite of all the I don't know, extreme things that are going on from the Epstein files to the uh Iran attack and so on and so forth, and blah blah blah, it does feel and look evidentially like medicine is in real crisis from its inception, it's meeting that sort of like it's got to die or evolve. What's what say you, wise man?

SPEAKER_01 10:46

I mean, you what you described there, in you know, go into the hospital. I'm gonna just focus on that for a moment because it it it it may the little realization came out of that. So you went to the hospital when uh this person was in more of a crisis state, right? Yes. When you go into a crisis state of any sort and there's this healing arts type people around, and it's called you know, we say the Renaissance that will they have a uh you know, paint and a and a canvas, it it's called a healing art, so it's an art form of some form, right? Now, not in the sense that it's an art of painting, but you know, every person's different, and bringing different elements in to help a person is an art.

SPEAKER_00 11:39

Well, I think I don't want to interrupt you, but I'd say any artistic is transcends just intellectual capability or skill. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:47

The real sense of art comes from a higher exactly input. Yeah. Whether you call it God, light, spirituality, or whatever, right? And it's supposed to be highly inspirational. Yes. Um, and actually a fundamental part of what makes human beings human. It's just needed, right? Yes. Um but what I thought of is people go to hospitals or medical uh practitioners in crisis more often than not. And what happens with the the healthcare professional is the natural healing or caring part of them kicks in. Right? Yeah. The the empathy, the compassion, the the concern for the person kicks in. So once that's under control and there's no crisis for them to for their the compassion side to kick in, I wonder whether what happens then is like it turns into something fear-based. No, you I'm sure you're right, I know we're going. So it goes, okay, everything's stable, what do we do now? And it's not what do we do now to make sure this person is, you know, getting the actual best of what they need, and if they need something, or does it turn into what do we do now to make sure that the crisis that we've been involved in doesn't turn into something catastrophic that we'll get sued for?

SPEAKER_00 13:28

Yeah, I think I think you've hit the nail on the head.

SPEAKER_01 13:31

Yeah. So there's this this conscious process of uh a call to compassion. When that's gone, there's this energy that sit comes back in that's sitting in the in the in the background, which is well, you know what, you've been programmed to do these things because if you don't, you get sued. So all those tests were tested for things that in the old in the olden days, right? A good physician would have been able to say, Well, that's actually not doesn't look nothing like that. So they would have used intuition, knowledge of of everything that they they were experts at, and go experience. If if somebody says, Oh, you know, I've got this problem, there's no point in me um taking an x-ray if it's not gonna help diagnostically, yeah, right? Or finding out what's wrong with a person. If my clinical judgment is it's not that, so that's not gonna help. However, it could be quite easy for me to go, better take it an x-ray just in case I um I miss that, right? So this this idea of trust in the in the knowledge is eroded and has been over a period of time, right? So that's why you get this barrage then of tests, tests, tests, tests, tests, tests, tests. I've I've had it myself. I've been, you know, I went with tinnitus um to the hospital, and the first thing they do, oh, it must be a brain tumor. Obviously. And the bed that relaxed you? Oh, yeah, great. And they said, Oh, you need one urgently.

unknown 15:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:18

I said, Why? Because you might have a brain tumor. All right, I said, okay, well, how when can I have this urgent scan? Oh, in three weeks. I was like, that's really urgent. Wow. And you know what? The first time I had it, and nothing wrong. And I just thought I sat in that um or lay in that um uh machine, and I I I don't like stuff like that because the energetics of it is not good for me. Because it because of in terms of subtle energy, you're bombarded, and you know, um, I think that the lack of of judgment and skill is sort of gone out of the window. So it makes sense that what you're talking about is what's happened is people are working very much on um, I need to do this not for the benefit of the patient or client or person, I need to do it for the benefit of me and the institution I'm in.

SPEAKER_00 16:19

There's another level. I mean, I I can I I'll tell you right away while you're you're right. Because the conclusion, now bearing on, I'll just add a bit more. As I watched these wonderful people, and I really want to emphasize they were genuinely wonderful and caring in a very when when this chap hallucinates after these seizures, you know, he's not there and he's seeing dark stuff, and it takes eight or nine people to to sort of contain him, right? But what I watched was all they had is dangerous drugs to sedate him, and he needed a lot. And I can see the very, very fine balance between sedating him, which looks like the right thing to do, and one could argue it is or isn't, and killing him, you know, uh or or creating a really big problem. So there's a very, very far, and so part of when he sedated was their relief. Not that it's over, right? But that but but to show that you nailed it, when we had to step in and say, no, that these things are not going to happen and go forward, and we'll we'll take it from here, and you know what I'm gonna say, they they were very pleasant, so they pushed back in a pleasant way. Others have pushed back in a very aggressive way, but ultimately it all led to the same result. Here's a piece of paper, sign it that you are, their words, ignoring medical advice, not taking responsibility or some more positive language. We had to sign a legal paper to admonish them of any you know responsibility. So you are 100% right that it went from caring into but probably at an automated level rather than a conscious fear level, but that was their education and that is the environment that they're working in. And it's wrong.

SPEAKER_01 18:18

Yeah, and also um, I mean, if you when you talk about medical damage, uh that's in medical terms called atrogenic damage, yeah. And that's a big killer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:32

I understand it's the second largest cause of death.

SPEAKER_01 18:35

Yeah, it's a big killer. And you know, um I think that uh there's you know, it's it's actually really quite bad as well, because I know the the the industry of of law, um, and it is an industry, yeah, it's a money-making industry. Um they they have not they've they've got on to this bandwagon of medical litigation, right? And fine, look, if somebody does something wrong and they've acted in complete negligence, right, and had no care for someone, um fine, they they deserve some form of um I agree whack on the knuckles, right? Um but it's like because what's happened is that rather than taking each case individually as it comes, there's just like, oh well, the they look for industries to make money, yeah. You know, so they go, oh, the medical industry that they look they look at the the the uh percentage of how many people in this country get you know sued, and is it better to go into that branch of medicine or deal with this type of medicine or even dentistry, right? And what happens then is that there's adverts put out, right? So you get this um all these good people trying to do their job are stuck in a system whereby if they if they don't behave in a certain way, which they're told to do, um because they might get sued. And then the other side of the coin is well, we sue people, and we know that you're like that, right? So we're gonna take advantage of the industry. So they s they start suing more, then the fear grows within the system. So the doctors are like, oh well, my mate got sued last week, right? And sometimes these these cases now are um what I would call ste stepping into you know very small um um mistakes, not life-threatening, very small ones, but because it's it sets up this thing of fear, then people people are not really practicing medicine. You know, what they're doing is they're dealing with crisis and then they're trying to manage testing, and that's that's why the NHS is in in in problems, because it the amount of money thrown in into tests, just because somebody wants to do tests in case they can't use their skill to find out what's wrong, and just in case they get sued, it's it's there's another aspect to that too, which you know the great Graham Norbre, aka Norbes made me aware of, which is and I don't know how it is in the States, uh, you know, States is a slightly different kettle of fish, which is you walk in, I've experienced it also in America, you you walk in um and they ha you know, with a relatively simple

SPEAKER_00 22:00

You know, emergency procedure and they order a CAT scan or an MRI scan and you come out with a$10,000 bill, you've been in there three hours. Right. And so it's it's clearly a business, right? But but in in England, in the UK, um, it is uh uh crazy. Well, it's not crazy, it's criminal. But it is if if you don't have a certain amount of scans per year and reach this quota, you'll lose that budget or it's reduced. So it it's just like the police and the and the speed radars, and everybody knows it, right? They've got to go and get their quota of tickets. It's all arse about face. And this this ties tie in totally, 100% to the medical renaissance, in fact, into human renaissance, because I believe at every level, geopolitically, we're going through a renaissance, I believe. Financially, I think you're going to see the financial reset that people have discussed for so many decades. Certainly, silver has been untethered from whatever suppression it had. I think crypto is going to be a very interesting space this year. So I think there's renaissance at every level of the age of Aquarius, but there has to be an atmosphere that changes, and we can discuss how that practically could happen, where as long as your intentions are honorable and you did what you could, there must be that great area where, you know, show me a man that's made no mistakes and I'll show you a lawyer. And when you're when you're trying to help human beings, right, you know, there is there is, you know, I think the only promise that should be there is I'll do everything I can to help you within my abilities if you do everything. In fact, this this takes me further, and I'll hand back to you, that that maybe it's time to evolve the Hippocratic oath around this, recognizing the medical renaissance, that that sure, you know, osteopathically I've probably hurt two or three people when I was practicing in my critic. Not intentionally, right? But and in fact, it was partially diagnostic when I did it. As a dentist, you you don't need to say anything in case it incriminates you or gets you in trouble. But you you must have every week. You must have made every week. Oh man. Right. You you must have had that frickin', you know, tooth cleaning hack it pick that you use on people's slip, right? And and and touch their gum and they hit the same. You must have done, and guess what? It's human. And you're you're the best, and I'm I'm not saying this because you're my buddy and I love you. You're the best dentist I know, right? But you must have made you're the best man I know, actually. But you must have made mistakes.

SPEAKER_01 24:49

The mistake I've made probably in 25. No, hang on, I qualified in 91. How many years is that? 25 years? Pass. It's more, isn't it? Yeah. It's like 30 something years, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 25:03

Jesus, you you if you were a Reiki.

SPEAKER_01 25:05

No, I'm not Jesus.

SPEAKER_00 25:06

If you'd have done Reiki, you know, you're a master in a weekend, so I don't know what you'd be, right? But but you're approaching mastery in in the real world.

SPEAKER_01 25:15

Wow. No, but in that space of time, I've probably had um two claims against me. Two claims. One was in relation to um a um an x-ray machine not working properly, and another one was to do with an infection that um just got a little bit no, it wasn't really bad handed. And the person knew a doctor, and the doctor said, Oh, yeah, they've you know, they've done the wrong thing. And uh both those things were settled like through my insurance uh company, right? Yeah, and I'll tell you what I learned, what I what I learned from that was this, right? Um make sure that where you work, everything works to a certain degree of of competency, right? Two don't step outside your capabilities, stick to them. If you can't do something, find someone who can do it, give it to them. Yeah, right? Um and most important of all, get to know your your client. Yeah, treat them like you would treat you. Because what happens is that let's say something doesn't go quite right and it's no one's fault, it's just life, right? That say your tooth doesn't respond well and it just gets worse, and you've done everything. If you've got a good rapport with somebody, they'll trust you as being honest with them. But if there's a an angst between you, somebody can just go, oh, it's your fault, you know, and you can go through a whole process, and at the end, the the authorities that decide whether it's you did the right thing or not could go, well, you know, we did the right thing, right? And you don't get sued or whatever, but you've spent the last six to twelve months stressed out your mind. Because if you know, you have this if you care about what you do, you have this energy of worry, right? And I I I had a f a colleague of mine, he had somebody complain about something, and he he did that, he'd done everything right. It's just the person was um really quite a difficult person, and it you know, people are like that, right? Yeah, and I said to him, look, don't think about the the negative, think about all the people you've really helped and done well with. Fine if you make a mistake, accept it. You know, uh if it's you know, in my business, I'm you know, touch wood, I'm touching my head, I'm not gonna kill anyone, right? With with what I do. Um but you know, if you if you're gonna make a mistake in in general medicine and especially surgery, you can kill people. Yeah, you know. Yeah. And I think that when you when you're in those positions, um I don't know. I mean, I think I'm always of this idea that um I I'm convinced that people are in looking at trauma all the time, you know, surgeons, that I think they they it affects them and they don't really uh acknowledge it, you know?

SPEAKER_00 28:31

Well, uh uh it must do, and and they're so removed from the human being, I would say. Um but but but here's the question, Gareth. Yeah, you know, it it moving forward, right, and acknowledging that, you know, there is no certain outcome, you know, but but but of course, the philosophy that you're applying to help someone and the and the alleged knowledge and the skill sets and so on and so forth, what would the medical renaissance look like from a legal you know protection point of view? Because the the doctors of the doctors and nurses of the future, I want them to be able to do their work without fear, and and should they make a mistake, you know, even a catastrophic mistake, that uh and of course that is going to affect other people's grief and anger, whatever, you know, how is that resolved as opposed to sort of bad doctor, you know, how how is it more humanly dealt with? Because you know, and I know that if your your intentions are to help someone and you do I'm not gonna say fail because we see things as there's no death, there's just passing, but if you don't succeed, right, you you remember those people more than the thousand before them that you helped. That's been my experience. Yeah. So what does it look like? How do we energetically accepting the spirit and the soul, and that these people have been judged as intentionally wanting to help, but they fuck up, you know, for whatever reason. How do we move forward with that and and maintain an atmosphere where they can work without feeling that they are threatened?

SPEAKER_01 30:25

I think they have to take their power back, to be honest. I think this the labor. I worked in hospitals uh from 91 to um 94.

SPEAKER_00 30:42

Yeah, as an actual surgeon, right?

SPEAKER_01 30:44

You were Yeah, I I I worked in in maxillo physical surgery, just starting on the lower rungs and work trying to you know trying to work my way up. And then before I went back to do medicine, I I rethought things. I didn't, I didn't I didn't want to go down that road. I mean I saw quite a few things changing, and one of the big things that changed around the 90s was um the people who run the hospitals, they used to be consisting of people who could manage the financial side of things and organizing things, but also the consultants, the healthcare professionals, yeah, you know, and probably some of the the head uh nurses or sisters, right? So they'd have a part in the overall care system. And then what happened was they got rid of that and they just brought in managers, people who are unrelated to health. Yeah, right. So they started managing it like a business. So they took, they they basically took the power away from the healthcare professionals to run their hospital, right? And then they move it over to you know um local authorities and then government. It's it's the same old thing with government, you get government involved in everything and it becomes soulless.

SPEAKER_00 31:56

Yeah, but they make they start making decisions on spreadsheets.

SPEAKER_01 31:59

Look, if you know what you're talking about, people waking up. A patient said to me, like I've never had a patient say this to me in all the time I've been practicing dentistry. They just said to me, When you step into number 10 down the street, you're you're you're stepping into the devil's place, right? You're making a pact with the devil, and I was like shocked. I thought, I I would never expect that from this person, right? For me, I get it, right? It's consciousness. You step into that place, you're stepping into a low frequency that is connected to some pretty nasty energy, in for sure, right? That's why everything is kept. So you get that energy control in everything, it's gonna bring it down. Fear is a is is a definite energy for that. So in terms of what what is the solution, I think you know, healthcare professionals need to take their power back. They need to stand up to you know organizations like the regulators, like the the the big institutions, like the government, and just say no, the this system it only runs if we're here, right? And it only runs if the the the patients here, the clients here. Now I know for a fact that GPs they they have a maximum probably 10 minutes or someone, right? Yeah, 15 if they're lucky. That that's come in slowly over time, right? So that then they can't they can't really sit down and talk to someone, right? So they can't like you or me sit down and say, What's going on? Right? And then something unfolds, you know what it's like, that usually with a person they cover the the the truth, and then the the something unfolds, and then you start to get to the more meaty bits, yeah, and then they get to the meaty bits and then you go, oh you know, you know, I've broken up with my my husband or whatever, right? Yeah, and uh and that's why I'm depressed. But now it's like 10 minutes, what's wrong? Oh, I'm down, okay. There's some antidepressants.

SPEAKER_00 34:22

Well, it's also and and I don't know if everyone will know the sketches from Little Britain, but it's a computer says nah. Right, but but that's it, right? They've got to come with a label that the computer says what.

SPEAKER_01 34:33

The I tell you what what that should have happened is when that started occurring, they should have just stood their ground and said no, we want more time with people, right? Because more time means that we can listen. Some things are not gonna need drugs, they might just need lifestyle changes, right? Or if they were more open-minded, just increasing other people and giving other people a chance to help people with their their issues, dietary stuff, emotional stuff, mental stuff, spiritual stuff, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 35:10

I I I am gonna jump in there because you always jump in, don't you? No, no, you can keep you you can go, no, I need to. No, but go on, you can jump in because I think I think what you said needs to be just um it needs to be just a pause because not when you said some lifestyle changes, I would very strongly suggest that there is not a single case that I've ever come across that doesn't require dramatic lifestyle changes. And can you do that in 10 minutes? Right, but you but this is this is really beautiful what why it's going this way, okay? And just just bear with me and then bounce back in, right? And say something wise and wonderful as you always do. But there is not a case that I can think of, you know, from from baby to whatever up, where and I go, baby, how can Yeah, because the you know, the mother was eating wrong before getting pregnant, and the mum was eating wrong during pregnancy, it was around technology, was circadian mismatch, stretch, you know, blah, blah. So, yeah, but the the birth was you know unnatural and traumatic, and the cord was clamped too early, and the mother couldn't breastfeed, you know, blah, blah, blah. So, yes, the lifestyle changes have been being time's up right over to you. No, no, no, all that. Oh, that's what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 36:28

You know, yeah, right. It's that's what it's like, right? Go on. You know, so you're you're talking, let's say you're getting a a person like that in your surge surgery as a GP, and they start. And I know I I've I've um uh I've had a doctor come to train in energy work, right? And she always she says to me, Oh, I want to have more time with people because she can see now the other side of it, right? I need you need more time. You how can you and it's so frustrating, and I wonder how many doctors out there like that. Oh my god, if I only had more time, I can intuitively feel what's right, right? But there's 10 minutes, that's it. Whereas if they say if they stood their ground and came across and said, Look, if I had half an hour with this person and a follow-up next week, half an hour, they won't need to be on antidepressants for the next five, ten years, right? And then they might make a change that brings their blood pressure down, so they won't need their blood pressure tablets anymore. But because these industries, the government, the pharmaceutical industry, the law firms, they they've all got their hooks into it, right?

SPEAKER_00 37:45

Well, but but then we're talking about the medical renaissance because there's no there's no doubt that in spite of the business model that they've set up and the protection racket that it is if you look at it in uh with a different viewpoint, it's a protection racket. You know, it is collapsing from the client, you know, in. And also, I know for a fact doctors and nurses were quiet quitting during convid. Now they're trying to have one foot out to have sort of memberships and doing stuff on the outside without losing their status and income. But let's let's keep going on this because you know, lifestyle changes. No, we have deliberately been educated stupid. When when the medical renaissance fully is in full swing, and I think Robert Um you know JFK Jr. is doing a fantastic job, many would be disagree, but I think he's doing an amazing job at establishing the evidence to then hit them over the head with uh with um you know the data that wasn't previously uh collected. But when, for example, I say to you people, we're the only animal that doesn't know what to eat. So when we start looking at, you know, what is it we were designed to eat, and then when are we designed to eat, and we start to look at all the um circadian interferences from artificial life, things like that, and we put together protocol, which is basically what I've written, you know, I I've written the 369 master metabolic protocol, which you can get in my membership. But the it when it lists all the factors that metabolically in a 3D world, before we get into trauma and um you know other things, you know, when we get into when you when you correct that as a country, right, most of the illnesses will go away or considerably reduce. And therefore, and just follow me through with this, right? There will be a time where people stand up in parliament, and parliament in England is an interesting word, because parliament is two words par parler, parive, parive français, parler to speak, and month is the verb to lie. So it literally is to speak lies. And of course, my mother used to say to me, How do you know when a politician's lying, their mouth moves? And I think most of the the country knows this, right? So, so but still, in in in times to come where hopefully government has evolved as well to governance, they'll stand up and say how few people they've treated this year, and there'll be a round of applause as opposed to how many people they've treated. And those treatments will be based in circadian, you know, biology and true physiology and the true laws of what we're meant to eat and blah. Now, imagine that glorious time. So many people uh uh are healthy and so few are ill. You have these doctors that that will have far more time to spend being what doctor truly means as a teacher. So, what I'm trying to present to you is that framework is already in motion because those doctors that have stopped quite quitting, and are not quite quitting, they're trying to get one foot out, their soul is is seeking more connection with the people commonly called patients, which is a legal term and I hate it. They're people, they're mothers, they're brothers, they're sisters, they're aunties, they're husbands, right? They're children. Well, you forgot uncles as well. Uncles, you know. What was that? What was that terrible joke? Knock knock. Who's there? Um Is it I'll tell you another day, but it's something like it's not it? No, no, it's it's it's like not it's like knock knock, who's there? Right, you who's there? No knock. Who's there? Uncle, knock knock, who's there? Uncle. Knock knock. Uncle who. No, no, there you go. Knock knock. One more. Who's there? Right? It's it's auntie. Auntie who? Aren't you glad it's not another uncle? It's a terrible joke, right? But we but we laughed and laughed at school, right? But nonetheless, you get the you get the the process of the human spirit, whether you call yourself a doctor, a nurse, or whatever you call yourself, has already begun. And when I see these poor people in hospitals working, I mean it's before we talk about patients, when I see the conditions they're working in, frequently no light, EMF, it's fucking weird.

SPEAKER_01 42:21

Yeah, they use they've usually got like cell towers on top of the hospital.

SPEAKER_00 42:27

It's if you took a meter, in fact, I'm gonna ask Chris, you know, the the the EMF expert of the world, he'll hate me saying that, but he's just so brilliant. I'm gonna ask him, can he stealthily get into a hospital and take some EMF readings? Because I think it's going to be forget the patients right now. These people working in there are absolutely drained. Yeah. Right? So it means the very nature of and I and in the world naturally better world health project, I describe what the architecture probably should look like. Natural light, natural airflow, you know, EMF protection, all doable, you know. But this is the Renaissance, and it's pumping my nads as I speak about it.

SPEAKER_01 43:10

Well, Renaissance, you talk about um Kennedy. Um when you really look at what's happening, the consciousness, that new consciousness is entering into humanity. It is. And it doesn't really matter who's doing it. It the the plan of change needs vehicles to bring it in. Right, right. So it's good that he's doing it, but it's also up to people to do it for themselves, you know? Is that so that that idea of um empowerment through health rather than oh I'm unwell, I don't know what to do for myself, I need someone else to me well. To make me healthy. No. The other person is a catalyst for you to find out how to heal yourself. Right. And I my feeling is the renaissance will be people will start to look at self-healing much more seriously. Self-empowerment. And once they start to take control of their own destiny, their own direction, then it breaks the spell. The spell is broken. Yeah. Wow, come on. Isn't everything about that?

SPEAKER_00 44:34

Well, you know, I think you're right.

SPEAKER_01 44:36

And I I think the inception of modern medicine was was was rotten. Thought is an energy. Magic is about how you shape energy and reality. Right? So people's minds and energies have been shaped over time. Some of that is just nature, some of it it's unnatural. So that change in consciousness means that people are able to break the spell that's been there for a long time. And when that is broken, people will start to be more empowered, start to help each other. You know, there's this um somebody said to me today they go into Bhutan, right? And they measure wealth in Bhutan through happiness, apparently, right? It's one of these countries that doesn't allow everyone to come in, but they apparently they really take happiness really seriously.

SPEAKER_00 45:35

Well, how wise they are.

SPEAKER_01 45:37

Yeah, so it's like um let's say the Renaissance is, you know, you get paid in relation to your the how healthy your clients are.

SPEAKER_00 45:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:50

You know? So the more healthy clients you have, the more you get paid.

SPEAKER_00 45:54

Well, it's the old Chinese way, isn't it? You you you pay your doctor to keep you well and stop paying when you're sick, and if that was implemented tomorrow, you can bet your bottom dollar we'd suddenly have you know two, two, three million doctors listening to us, you know, trying to trying to get on board, I should imagine. Now it's interesting you talk about baton, is when I was working with Graham Atkinson, the red pill pharmacist, and and I was discussing the Naturally Better World Health Project version three, because I wrote the first one about 15 years ago as it's evolved. You know, I said to him, I said, we need to capture, and this actually ties into the managers that you spoke, the bean counters. We need to we need to capture accounting, let's use that word, accounting of the human spirit in both patient and practitioner. You know, because you you see these people, like you probably know this, but the the uh drug addiction of both you know abusing pharmaceutical drugs, alcohol, and street drugs in the medical profession is apparently very, very high. You know, the suicide rate is you know up there. You know, um uh I think I think only dentistry because the exposure to mercury is higher than a doctor as a profession of suicides and stress. And so, of course, these people may on paper be successful and maybe financially rewarded, but their spirit, you know, the human being is is in very dark places. So we have to be able to capture, you know, and in accounting somehow, you know, the true wealth of what you're doing, the vocation, the calling. And that equally means if it's not right for you to help you out and help you into something that does elevate your your spirit, because of course this renaissance must mean, I'll hand back to you now. The renaissance must mean it's not just a job, I'm a nurse, I'm a doctor, it's a calling. You're meant to get up each day and go, I love what I'm doing, and that should be for everybody.

SPEAKER_01 47:56

Yeah, um I I think that uh uh there's there's a renaissance in um realizing you know that there is a purpose to be an on this plane, you know, it's not just random, there's a purpose to it, and if you can find a purpose that's not just mundane, it's just money or some other lower sort of um pattern that you get stuck in, and we all get stuck in them, right? But it it's like if you can, you know, um connect to your part of you, which is your soul, what does your soul want? You know, I always love you you too, like uh Edward Bach, the Bach flower remedies, you know, the idea of a medical practitioner realizing very early on that you know this medicine is not really true medicine, right? You it's a negation of the soul, and you know, a renaissance in in medicine would would be to realize that there is an aspect of a person that is non-physical, you know, that is soulful, that has purpose and meaning, and they the they are the energies that actually drive things like Renaissance. Yeah. Now I imagine on a soulful level there are souls that have already been on this plane from healthcare or ancient healing that are driving this renaissance. You talk about Hippocrates, Edward Bach, people have been, you know, they've left their legacy, their pattern. Yeah, they've left a pattern of healing on this planet within the consciousness of people, yeah and it's awakening, right? So it's always been there, but what's happened over the last hundred years? It's been prevented. It's almost like it's been covered by this dark shell of oppression, and now it's just breaking out, and it you know, and when things break out like that, there has to be a breakdown of one system into a new one. Yeah, you know, and I I think that you know, the these these energies of of um health, and what what it what is health, what is wealth, what is happiness, you know, um, and equating those to much higher ideals, you start to vibrate on a higher frequency, that has an impact on your health, on your body, to the extent where some diseases, you know, will just disappear because they're low vibrational energies. It's almost like saying, um, if we we as a uh as a you know a collective raise our vibration so that you know it's so positive, it doesn't mean that bad things won't happen, but it's so positive that when bad things do happen, it's not driven by an involuted force, which you know the age-old um name for it is evil. Yeah. Right. And I think that those energies are are you know underestimated. They they're they exist, you know.

SPEAKER_00 51:15

They exist. Well, this this is fascinating because, you know, w I often discuss that the philosophy of healing needs to be cemented before the practice or or or you know, getting into the details. And and so what we're really talking about, you know, and uh I I'm very content with my philosophy of healing, which of course has been handed to me, and I hopefully I've you know expanded upon it. But essentially that it's this is the body is self-healing, you know, and it is mind, body, and spirit, not that I really like those terms. So what we're really talking about is is the medical renaissance from at least from the you know practitioners, whether they be doctor, nurse, or whatever, side is a fundamental, fundamental recognition that you are a soul having a human experience, uh, and that there is no death, um, you know, there's just you know transmutation from one energy plane to another, that um there is involuted energies, that there is fuckery at play at times, that there is harmonics, and you know, when you expand that out into more of the biohacking level, so back to the kind of 3D plane, you know, the the unseen energetics, light, EMF, you know, sine waves over digital, you know, all of these things, when these things become into the foundational consciousness of the practitioner, let alone the one receiving whatever treatment or advice, you know, everything must change.

SPEAKER_01 53:01

Yeah, it must change because um we're it's quite obvious we're we're we're stuck. We have been stuck for a while. The civilization is coming, you know, the the present civilization is coming to an end, and a new one is starting. And every ev through history, civilizations come and go. They they get successful, they break down, they come and go, and you know, it's it's a matter of stepping onto that new wave and riding it. Yeah. You know, and starting to think very differently. And I don't mean thinking off the planet not and not being practical, right? There's a difference. There's many, many people lost in in spirituality, I think, and they I believe so. They they they get lost in lofty ideas and they're they're following, you know, a dogma, and they the bottom line is is it making you healthier and happier? Are you having a better existence on this plane? You know? Are you do you feel fulfilled? You know? These are very fundamental, simple questions. Yeah. But they are very important core questions to to what it means to be human, you know.

SPEAKER_00 54:19

Go ahead. Go on, yeah. Well, I I I think you're touching on again, you know, you you the reductionist age of modern medicine has so divorced itself from the human being and the the human, the nature of the human being. So what do I mean by that? So this realm is abundant. You know, and if you take biblical text, is we we're meant to have dominion over it, right? And and but it's abundant. And so the natural design ought to have been everybody, you know, is abundant and has access to abundance, and then the philosophy should be of how to manage that so that the next generation and you recognize the movement of time, and you know, that's really the sort of tribal way. And so if we were in that state of abundance, um, we would most likely be mostly in flow and joy. And when you look at, again, I'm not saying the tribal people are the beal and end all, but when you look at the tribal people that have everything they need to sustain life, uh, shelter, you know, food, what have you, they tend to, at least the ones I've looked at, they tend to have a lot of joy in each day, a lot of play, a lot of you know, creativity, a lot of you know, singing, la la la la, right? And they're and they're abundant. Of course, it must shift if there's famine or some you know catastrophic problem that that uh is causes upheaval. But it I think it when you see, it's really important, it's where it what triggered me is you went healthy and happy. And I think those two can't be separated. I've seen alleged very healthy people, they're miserable buggers, right? You know, I think the happy health happy and healthy is well, you laugh, right? But you know them, we've seen them, right? Yeah, like it's like fucked up. I don't if that's happy, sorry, if that's healthy, I'm not interested. It's happy and healthy healthy. In fact, you should be able to do it.

SPEAKER_01 56:24

Yeah, you're you're talking you're talking about like driving health in a in a such a a mentalist way.

SPEAKER_00 56:34

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 56:35

It's uh it's becomes like a religious discipline.

SPEAKER_00 56:38

Yeah, well, this guy, I forget his name, the longevity guy that takes on like 200 supplements a day and blah blah blah blah blah. He just looks miserable. You know, and you know, huh?

SPEAKER_01 56:53

What it's true though, it's true, it's true. Um, I mean, I think it this and the nature of the human mind is to overcomplicate things, right? So we overcomplicate things, we make these systems, we build them. You talk about tribal people, you know. I I always like, you know, um uh in The Lord of the Rings, is like a massive fight against evil goes on, light and dark, and they're off like Frodo's off with Gandalf, and uh it's like you know, orcs and evil round every corner. Meanwhile, back in the Shire, yeah, they're just having a nice existence.

SPEAKER_00 57:38

No, they're having second breakfast, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:42

So it's like you know, the on one part of the world the tribal people are like living in in bliss, in harmony with nature, and then in another part, there's some idiot bombing the shit out of children, yeah. Yeah, it's uh I mean come on. If you if you were uh no wonder you know extraterrestrials are not walking obviously amongst us, or maybe they are, I don't know. Allegedly, allegedly, but if I was uh somebody from the I'd be like, I'm not going anywhere near that planet, it's mental, yeah, right? If they're if they're evolved, uh you know, as as they say, why would they want to come here? It's like this crazy, man, you know.

SPEAKER_00 58:28

Yeah, well, I I understand what you're saying, and I don't I don't want to get it.

SPEAKER_01 58:32

Or maybe they're the cause of it, I don't know. You know, you know, you know, with but what I'm trying to say is the human mind is such that it can create one, it has a choice to create uh a much nicer existence and or a horrible existence. And unfortunately, and I've been there, right? You can get addicted to misery, you can. You can because you've known it for a long time, you cannot escape it and be anything else, right? And I think that happens with thoughts and emotions, they can be so entrenched within us, you cannot let them go because that's all you know you are, you know.

SPEAKER_00 59:14

But here's here's have you finished? Because yeah, right. So no, no, I uh like I could just listen to you for the whole time, but every time you speak, you just trigger things in me that I want to say back to you. But you talk about this, and this is I'm just gonna I'm just gonna rename you Trig now. Are you all right, Dave? Anyway, so uh my name's not Dave, it's Rodney. Why do they call you Dave? Anyway, uh tangent, tangent. Rotic, yeah, right, Dave. Anyway, um yeah, you talk uh the Renaissance energy, I believe, from the age of Aquarius is encompassing everything. We're we're focusing on the medical renaissance, but it can't you know be a renaissance there and not somewhere else. But here's the thing, right? That energy and that that you know, um, astrology has predicted the downfall of every empire, and I believe this is the downfall of the empire of lies, because everything has been inverted. Now, the point is this, right, that is occurring in as I see it, is those thoughts and patterns that you talk about, and you you you made jest that aliens would want to come here and blah, blah, blah. They were set up. Those thought patterns were educated, drummed intentionally, negatively upon the human species. And as I see it, the light that is, you know, this extra light, and and we're talking about it's not brighter, it's a different harmonics of light, but you know, that the light that's coming here and is here is and disrupting that thought pattern so that we can see where they came from. Again, I don't want to necessarily talk about the Epstein files and so on and so forth, but the fact is that the populace around the world, at least what I'm being told from others, you know, people that were previously never going to wake up and just were hard uh and hurtful critics of any one quote unquote conspiracy theorist. I think they were critical thinkers, those kind of people I start going, oh my God, it looks like you may, they're not ready to go were, but you may be right. So so those thought forms uh of control, right? The the because let's face it, right, there is no money, yeah? That's a thought form. Money does not exist, it's it's a concept, right? It literally does not grow on tree trees, right? It is man-made, and as long as you believe that colourful piece of paper or those little numbers in your bank account are money, it continues. The minute you don't, it fails. So those cut those thought forms that have been constructed, I believe, to enslave mankind, are dissolving like the wicked witch in, you know, um uh uh uh the Wizard of Oz, right? Which has water. But they are. They're dissolving at a you know, those, in fact, I'm gonna use the analogy. Yeah, but also the the curtain's being pulled back, isn't it? Oh, look, it's Wizard of Oz every angle you look at it, right? Yeah, okay. It it is, you know, and and as anyone who hasn't seen the Wizard of Oz, you should. But what is it? A hundred years old. It's a hundred years old, that movie, I think, right? You know, it's there's a lot.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:24

I mean, the story must be older, surely.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:26

Probably, but there's a lot in there. Including a real hanging man as they go through the forest.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:33

Yeah, it is a uh um I know a lot of uh psychologists who see that as uh an archetypal movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:40

Oh, it it certainly is, but the the discovering the big bag scary wizard is a little fat dumpy guy behind the red curtain. That is the renaissance that's happening now, right? You know, the the uh and so it's beautiful, and those that are not yet there it is beautiful, it is beautiful, right? But because it it is the the thing that stops humanity individually and collectively from growing. I don't even want to use the word evolving, but growing is fear.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:12

Yeah, I think I mean also because what you're talking about is light, light is coming in, and I don't mean just sunlight, right? I mean light as in spiritual light is coming in.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:26

Well, well, explain that for those people who don't understand what you mean.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:29

All right, so when you when you start to look at spirituality and non-physical reality, um there you if you talk about light, there is a light that's beyond visible spectrum, right? So it's an energy and a vibration, and when it gets it starts to go up in frequency, it becomes lighter, as in vibrationally lighter to the extent where that's the realms where angels exist. You know, angels are amazing beings, and they're not of the earth, so they're extraterrestrial in some way, right? That's where the the realms of um beings have been here before. And if there are interplanetary beings, they they exist on those higher planes. The the the more devious sort exist on the more lower planes of the astral, right? The astral levels, but light, the spiritual light, when it comes in, what it automatically does is lift out the shadow, it exposes it, right? So these things that are happening with humanity now are the shadows of humanity, and they're not nice to see the realities of them, you know. How could someone do that to a child? How could someone behave like how could someone kill and you know if you start to sit down honestly and look at humanity as a whole, I'm sure there's darker shadows to come to light. Yeah, I'm sure, you know, and you're talking about one of them is mind control, or what I would call the you know, um uh I would call it um deliberate, you know, use of energy uh to control humanity, right? And the the people that do that, they know who they are, they do. Of course they do. Um, but the problem is is that you know those things have to come to light. So people have to then change the way they think. Oh, right. You know, I I've had someone say to me the last two weeks, so I thought I'd never say that. Oh, it looks like all the conspiracy theorists are right. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:53

That's the most common thing I'm hearing from my members.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:56

Right. And one side of that is great, but another side of Is not so good because some of the conspiracies are absolute nonsense, right? People get on the bandwagon, they start making stuff up, yeah. You know, and and drawing people, so there's a real risk of distortion of the renaissance. You know, it's like that thing. I I I've been in the the realm of energy and non-physical medicine for you know 25 plus years, yeah. And I've I've I've come across some of the most crazy ideas in relation to that realm because I know people get caught up in the astral plane, and they don't want to deal with some of their more difficult things, and they try and alter and become a different person, like an altered ego, right? So there is a risk at this point in time where people will, you know, get caught up in machinations and old patterns. They think they're changing, but they're just in the same pattern, but think in slightly different, you know, yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:01

But I I think you'd agree, I mean, I think you'd agree, however, that the shadows of mankind that you refer to, what people are seeing is who orchestrated those patterns that because babies are not born evil, they're not.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:20

Yeah, I tell you what's happening is people are starting to to um uh learn again what the energy of truth feels like. Oh, that's an interesting thought. As a vibration, yeah, right? So everything is vibration, so the the energy of truth as a vibration, people start to feel it and they're learning what truth is again. Now, when people start to learn what truth is and they start to take it on into their own energy, they start to think, but what's true for me? Yeah, who am I in all this? Yeah, have I been led astray? Uh am I have I got truthful relationships? So this energy of truth is starting to come in and it's starting to filter out into everything. It's it's great. It is great, it's uncomfortable at times because you have to question not just what you see outside, but what you're feeling inside, because everything is a mirror, right? Yeah, you know, and so I think that the renaissance is very much along this the lines of what is true vibrationally, what is what is right for me, you know. Do I have a choice in terms of a health carer? You know, it's people should have choice. You can explain your everything off to them, and they if they turn around and go, nah, I don't want that, okay, it's fine. You know, I've got my own way of doing it. Okay, you go off and do it, it's fine. But I think that there has to be this movement of ideas between people and these barriers of professional, patient, you know, all these barriers need to be broken down. Because they're false.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:04

Yeah. You know, I I said it in the in the Dutch Jeremy's Live Clinic the other day, you know, and I think I've said it here, there are only human beings with perceived knowledge and abilities and letters after day, in truth, right? You know, that's what it really is. There are the doctors don't exist in reality. It's it's it's uh or or any other, you know, it in truth we're just human beings, and and that I believe is the Renaissance. You know, the the humanity um and the and that separation that was put in place is being stripped away.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:40

The energy also is not just light. Um uh, and I would say that light has many different frequencies spiritually, it's got a bunch of very high frequencies, and then it starts to come down into you know an intuitive or sixth sense frequency as it enters through your the top of your head, and then it's more of a causal, you know, karmic stuff, and then you get to the energy of love, right? Yeah, and if I look at humanity, it's been kept in the lower three chakras for a long time. That's ego and healthy ego's good, don't get me wrong. Um sexuality and materialism of fear and and and the physical world. It's been kept purposely in those realms of thought, yeah. And now what's happening, people are starting to feel truth is a love energy, yeah. It comes from the heart, right? It's like I I you when somebody opens up to you in their honest, it comes from the heart, right? So people are starting to open up here in the in the in that organ of of love, the heart center, right? And that in itself is healing, yeah. You know.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:00

Well, you know, yet again we're coming to the end of or I well I've enjoyed it as always, listening to you and talking with you. And I don't know whether you'll be able to do this, but but what do you think? How let me rephrase that. How do you think this sentence ought to be finished to end this sort of podcast today? The truth shall set you free. What do you think should be added? I used to say the truth will set you free, but it will upset you, annoy you, and scare you to death. But what do you think in this renaissance it probably should be? And I know I'm putting you on the spot.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:42

I I would I would go along the lines of um the the truth is free. Right? And um I think that people um deserve that it's their birthright to be free. And it's their birthright to experience love. And abundance right yeah, i love brings abundance in some shape or form, right? If you're if you're in a place where you're you know you're you're open to the you you know the universe of has ways of of it's highly intelligent, right? Yeah, and this is what our ancestors knew, right? They you look at our ancestors, how they interacted with um the cos cosmic energies, the stars, the it's the planet itself, right? Yeah, they were sold in tune with it, and when you're in tune with it, you are it, you're not separate from it. So the the renaissance also, and that the that freedom is that freedom is freeing yourself from non-reality to actually what's real, and that's just uh uh nature being connected more to what you see in the skies, being connected to your fellow human being in a way that's trusting, it's not fearful, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:16

So once again, really, you know, um, to try and put such a huge concept into words, it's harmonic flow. You know, if you're in the harmonics of truth, you know, abundance and everything else must be flowing and you can feel it. Yeah. Okay, so listen, you know, uh wow, you know, thank you, thank you so much, as always, for this episode. You know, oh by the way, just to finish, yes, you know you talked about antibiotics earlier on.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:49

I did. You know, there's only one thing worse than antibiotics. I didn't. It's unclebiotics.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:00

Oh my goodness. So once again, we finish on an unprofessional, professional joke, and which oh my god, he's still if you could see his face where he's gone red, he just loves that he's come up with a joke.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:11

But we have no, I thought of that today, a joke today. And I thought, when when am I gonna have a chance to to to to drop that? It's a dad joke for sure. I love dad jokes. I love dad jokes, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:24

You know, all right, so to Papa Bear, you know, uh from a fellow Papa Bear, you know, thank you, thank you for today. Thank you for all our listeners who keep writing and you know, please keep you know sharing.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:36

By the by the way, I must add this. Yes. None of this was planned today. This was totally off the cuff, wasn't it? I think they all are. I mean we we go into it with some sort of No, but it more than ever, because I gave you an hour's notice, didn't I? You did, you did. I gave you you know, I I said, come on, let's crack on and do one.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:56

Yeah. You know, and we love doing them. You know, the fact is, you know, it's an hour well spent.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:01

Also, where can people find you, Jeremy?

SPEAKER_00 1:15:04

Yes, and this should be actually, in fact, you might want to update the BuzzSprout, you know. Uh you can find you can find us at www.dotorsnomore.com and it will forward you to the BuzzSprout um podcast uh page, which you can then share in Apple, whatever it is, right? Yeah. Me, it's very easy. www.geremyairs.com. And on there you can you can reach out to me, get a consultation, join any one of my memberships, and do come in. Gareth, you know, his his again, this needs to be on the on the Doctors No More Buzzsprout, you know, page because you're still somewhere. I've got the links there. Yeah, your website is quite long. And and also if you're in and around London, although I travelled from the Lake Dystick to see Gareth for dentistry because he's worth it.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:56

So let's get those out. W.energymedicine international.com. All right. That's for energy work and backflower remedies. And if people are interested in uh learning how to be, you know, healers and using healing tools. And then the stress side of things and addiction stuff is more the mindies stuff, and that's um www.mindies.com. Yep. Um also, I mean, if people do go onto the website, the the doctors and all one, if you know, there's a chance that you just leave a message. Yeah. You can text a little message now. It's a it'd be nice if you get a bit more feedback, if you got or if you there's things that you want us to discuss, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:41

Yeah. We're probably gonna be inundated with bots telling us quackheads we are. That's a new one. I just came up with that. Quack quackheads. Yeah, that's great, isn't it? That's a serious addiction. That's a serious addiction. I'm telling you, man. You know, look, if it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, it's a quack, right? But you know, and you should probably follow it. But will you promise me you'll update the buzz sprout and put all our contact details on those pages so people can reach out? I think I've got them on there. Have you? I wouldn't know I haven't checked. You know.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:13

Oh, look at that. So box of shame. Shocking. Box of shame. All right. I'll I'll double check. I'll double check.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:20

All right. Well, look, stay tuned, keep sharing it. We'll be back with another episode of God knows what next week, but I think it'll be interesting. I think it'll be funny, and the truth will set you free. Goodbye.