Coffee, Coughs, And The Accidental Beekeeper

The strangest part of burnout isn’t the exhaustion, it’s the moment you realize you don’t even want what you’ve been chasing. Today Jeremy and Gareth get candid about what it feels like to spend decades in a caring profession, carry private grief when someone dies, and keep showing up anyway. We talk about the pressure of responsibility, the sense of working with “both hands tied,” and the guilt that can come up when you admit you want to step back from healthcare practice and do something else.

We use a simple but confronting thought experiment: if you knew you had one peaceful year left to live, what would you do? Some people answer fast with travel and bucket list items. Others freeze and say, “I don’t know,” which can be a sign that routine has replaced identity. From there, we dig into what change actually looks like when it’s healthy: not reactionary, not fear-based, but built through small steps that reconnect you to what feels alive. We explore the idea of life as a “pattern” you choose, and how disharmony shows up when you’ve outgrown that pattern.

Then we get unexpectedly specific and surprisingly hopeful. Gareth shares why he’s starting beekeeping, what it’s like to become a beginner again, and how nature can shift your energy, attention, and work-life balance. Jeremy riffs on outdoor cooking as soul food, the way new interests create new synchronicities, and why the real goal isn’t quitting everything overnight, it’s becoming more of a human being again. If you’ve been thinking about a career change, purpose, meaning, or simply finding your spark after 30, 40, or 50, this conversation is for you.

If it resonates, subscribe, share it with a friend who feels stuck, and leave a review so more people can find Doctors No More. What’s one small step you can take this week toward what you actually want?

Transcript

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SPEAKER_02 1:22

Well, welcome. Start game. Just pause. Well, this is actually Okay. Take three.

SPEAKER_01 1:44

Oh, get on with it. Come on. Okay. He was.

SPEAKER_02 1:48

Okay. Welcome back to Doctors No More podcast with me, Dr. Jeremy, and my favourite Welshman. And I've only got three Welshmen that I actually like. That doesn't mean I don't like the rest of them, although I pretend to. And this is take three of the intro because every time I start, I I break out into a cough and Gareth laughs after my last coffee. But anyway, in fact, maybe that's why it's called coffee. I've just realized. Yeah, it's interesting.

SPEAKER_00 2:18

There you go. And you pay for it when you're out, so there's a fee to it.

SPEAKER_02 2:23

There is. Okay, fee to cough. Coffee. Not can't even fee for cough. Not even can not can't even cough free anymore.

SPEAKER_00 2:32

It's not the cough that carries you off. It's the coffin they carry you off in.

SPEAKER_02 2:39

Well, that's actually a very um interesting segue into what we decided we were going to talk to, talk about today. Because, you know, I I started talking with you and I sort of off camera, you know, off-camera, off microphone or off-recording. And then I said, look, we should talk about this because it's it's it's real and it's honest and it's authentic. And I think and hope what um our now over ten listeners, albeit eight of them paid by us to listen, want to hear, at least that's what they tell us. You know, and they're enjoying that authenticity from our ability.

SPEAKER_00 3:16

We have sent out the badges, though. We've sent up badges to them.

SPEAKER_02 3:19

Oh, Doctor No More Badges. You remember the blue pizza badge? Can we get can we can we let's let's get some no more badges. Maybe a Doctor No More t-shirt, you know. Yeah. Coffery. I like that one. We've got to play with that. But anyway, you know, back to the professional podcast and podcasters that we are. Um, you know, I I I said to Gareth in its uh what is it, April the 22nd, which which is, you know, um one of my favorite person in the whole world, uh, birthday today, including my father, uh, who who is on the other side, right?

SPEAKER_00 3:54

But um Well today.

SPEAKER_02 3:55

Yes, today is my best is birthday, so she'll be hearing this later on. But happy birthday. I know you're having a great day. This will probably be released in a few weeks, but it's my father's birthday today. So happy, happy celestial birthday, Papa Bear. And but but what I started chatting with Gareth, and and I and I think this will resonate with people. Certainly I hope it will, because it's one of the most common things I come across when I'm you know dealing with whatever labelled problem they have or don't or non-labeled problem they have. And and you know, see if you can follow my train, because where I began with Gareth this morning, you know, off microphone, is is this. I said to him, you know what? The other day, or yesterday actually, it I suddenly for the first time had this you know strong feeling that I just don't want to I don't like the term practice, but that is the common vernacular used. I I I don't want to practice anymore at some time in the near future, and I'm I'm actually hoping that by the end of this year I'll be in a position where I wouldn't have to, um with with certain you know, investments and movements in the world. So hopefully if that all happens, I won't have to. And and it was, you know, I almost said it with a part guilt and and part sort of like, you know, give me permission, Gareth. But you know, the the reality is in the profession that Gareth and I are in, is and and by the way, I'm gonna preface this. This isn't with a like poor me story in case it sounds like that. We're just trying to be authentic.

SPEAKER_00 5:44

No, I I I I'd step in and give you a sort of technological slap across the face.

SPEAKER_02 5:50

That's right, and and and rightfully so. But the the fact is that um one of the sayings that I've you know used over the years is I'm working with both hands tied behind my back. And I accept that I'm still in a little bit of professional grief after losing someone recently that was a very, very s sudden onset case and and rapidly, I'm like I've never seen it, went downhill and has and has and has passed. So there's that sort of melancholy and and you know the professional feelings of we weren't able to help them. But you know, most of it comes from um having both hands tied behind my back analogy where where that person ought to have had a true what I call a true hospital. They were absolutely adamant, and I supported it. They did not want to go into hospital. They'd seen their mother and father go into hospital and basically be um what do they call what's the common term that they use? I can't think of it now, but but I can't think of the term. Yeah, it's the pathway, but there's a common term that is used. Or end of life, or yeah, it is end of life, but it's it's it's not obviously it's it's almost as if they don't talk about it. I can't remember what they call it. You know, the i.e. the awake people, they say go, oh, they've been you know, not killed, but they use another term. But basically, they've gone into hospital and they've been pathwayed to the end of their days, rightfully or wrongfully, and I know there's some grey area, but so this person was adamant not to go in to hospital. They'd also worked um in the sort of administrative side of the cancer industry, and had woken up in the industry and saw that that they're doing you know all harm and no good, really. And that was a great shock to them. And so, you know, I accept that that you know the energy around me is somewhat melancholy and you know, oh my god, will we ever have the resources, will we ever have the lawful support that we don't have now? Most people like me, you know, practice or help people, you know, um with certain degrees of worry and and fear of the system interfering, and I I do accept it's changing, but nonetheless, with that, and and uh I'm 57 and and I feel great, by the way, so it's not like oh I'm gonna get old. Quite the opposite. But but more so more so the energies for me were you know, I and it took me by surprise, but more so the energies are you know, I want to do other things more. I think that's how I'm going to word it. And it's not that I mean, we'll see how things pan out, because I have to work, and I know Gareth has to work, and most of you listening probably have to work, but you know, it is when I'm working with people over, you know, last 30 plus years, one of the most common problems I find is that you know they're doing things for money, and that sounds stupid, because most people are doing things for money, but but what I mean by that is they're not enjoying what they're doing, it's it's a job. They do it to to bring in income to pay the bills and and pres you know, try and get some savings and build up for retirement and blah blah blah blah. But you know, what what I find is you know, once we've done some you know, work with them for months and maybe longer, that they usually quit or go on to do something else, more enjoyable, better, often earning more money, uh, you know, or something like that. And I kind of I kind of say that's where I'm at, and it may change. And I'm not uh for people listening, I'm not about to walk away. I want to continue doing the podcast. I I want to um keep doing the membership, you know, potentially, right? And I keep wanting I want to keep my you know foot in the door, so to speak. But there's a greater part of me, suddenly, or perhaps it wasn't sudden, but it's maybe sudden I suddenly paid more attention, that I want to explore my my cooking skills. I want to go and where I live now, the access to unbelievably amazing nature is right on my doorstep. I want to be out there more, cooking outdoor more, you know, doing you know, uh content, filming content. I love doing content out there. Um also, you know, I've got all these books I've never read. You know, I've referenced, but I've never read because I've Especially the ones that I've advised you to. Yes, almost certain, you know, 100% actually. So after this, maybe on air or off air, you can say Do you still have that dandy I sent you? The which one?

SPEAKER_00 10:56

The dandy. Not the Beano. I sent you the Dandy. Have you still got that book?

SPEAKER_02 11:02

If you gave I don't know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_00 11:04

That's the impression the dandy, the comic? Yes, of course. Well, I s you know, uh it's a uh Didn't you get the dandy I sent you, the annual? The 2023.

SPEAKER_02 11:16

Oh not that I know of.

SPEAKER_00 11:19

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:20

Did you really send me a dandy?

SPEAKER_00 11:22

No.

SPEAKER_02 11:23

Oh god, you bastard. Okay, okay, so you had you had me there. You had me there, right? And and I did like the dandy, by the way. But anyway, the point of it is, and this is how I'm gonna frame it, right? One of the questions I ask people, and you can f reframe it two ways, so I'm gonna do it both ways, is when they're really stuck, I say to them, if you knew you only had a year to live and you were going to die peacefully in your sleep, no pain, it's gonna be a beautiful experience, and your loved ones are gonna be there to meet you and take you over to the other side, right? So all good, right? No worries. Um, what would you do with the last of a year? Now I get two distinct types of answers, right? Um the first one is, oh, I travel, I'd, you know, and they start, you know, reading off a list, okay? And you know, and and they get the point, you know, because by the time they're finished, my answer is, well, you need to start doing those things today. And even if that's just looking at where you would travel, what region, how you would get there, start costing it, whatever it is, but you start connecting with that energy, connecting with that, you know, if it's buying a motorbike that you've wanted to do up, you start looking at those motorbikes, you start going to the shows and uh you start befriending people, you get in the face, you i.e., my whole premise is, and I'm sure you'll agree, Gareth, you start connecting with that energy field, right? Because it's your own rather than when you you do today, right? And but the second one I get, which is more interesting and more sad, perhaps, and I had one the other day, actually, and they said, I don't know. And for me, it shows how potentially, I mean it's I'm open to being you know wrong in some cases for anyone listening, but potentially it shows that they have got into such routines of behaviour that were probably not theirs, that they've lost completely, not completely, I rephrase that, they've almost lost completely what pumps their nads. Right? Well, you know, what motivates them, what excites them, what why do you want to be here? What is there left to do, build, fix, explore, learn, you know, what have you. And I'm not talking about bucket lists, I'm talking what the whole point of it is that you rediscover the child in you, I think. You rediscover the adventure, the the oh god, I've woken up and I want to go. And so hopefully I've introduced this in in in not a melancholy way, but that's kind of what happened to me in the last 24 hours. And then it'll probably change and shift. But uh, and I said, I will never not be a foot in here, right? But I've kind of gone, and I know you relate to this, in the profession we've chosen, it's been over what about 33 years, maybe longer, of hard, hard yards with lots of wonderful, you know, more wonderful moments than not. I've I've got a massive success rate of helping people and turning around no hope cases and what have you. And, you know, then there's the ones that you can't and you lose and you grief. Usually you have to grieve privately, you know, because obviously the families go away and do their proper grieving. But, you know, I've been through the hard knocks, I've been through the Ministry of Health in New Zealand, you know, coming in pretending to be a patient and trying to shut me down. I've I've I've I've been through it all, you know, the people that you thought were your great supporters turning on you. Um, you know, so the good, the and it's mostly good, the bad and the ugly, and all of it, and I know you know this, Gareth, right? And it might surprise people that we've both had to still work every week, every day, to pay our bills. As of yet, the man upstairs has not deemed that we be suddenly bestowed with gold and silver and and money, although I I think that's coming, I hope that's coming. You know, uh and therefore at times the job just feels too much. What say you?

SPEAKER_00 15:44

Yeah, while you're talking then, it reminded me of something. Um like this week, um I was uh you know, I I go into central London, yeah, to to work. Yes. And um I had this really interesting um sort of realization that I was looking at things in a very different light, and I think this this is because of the benefit of maybe being able to detach from things a little bit. So if you come at a if you're attached to what's going on completely, all the emotions and memory and thought and all this stuff makes it difficult to see clearly what you know a change is or what the way forward. But I was I was walking down um this the road that leads to where I work, and I just this this thought of all this is just like a pattern.

SPEAKER_01 16:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:43

So the street is a pattern of vibration, the people in it are a pattern of vibration. Where I go to work is a pattern of vibration, the people who I work with, all my the my clients are a pattern of vibration, right? And I'm in that vibration, and I choose to be in it. Do you but then I yeah, but listen, I choose to be in it, but what happens is that when you go through a change that it doesn't resonate anymore, it starts to feel like there's a a disharmony because either something has to change in in where you work, so it has to be either an external change of where you work, or there's an internal change going on that's telling you you don't fit into that pattern anymore. And then you're left with, well, how do I emerge from this pattern into something else? Am I gonna do it in a reactionary way, which is usually fear-based, which I always ends up in a more difficulty? Or do you do it in a way that's accepting of change and slowly progressively move into something and trust that things will will go well for you? But I think it's it's a very common thing for people, but it did make me realise that you know I choose to be in that pattern. Yeah. So if I choose to be in that pattern, what what what am I not what am I preventing from coming in for change, you know? And talking about doing things that you want to do and like doing, I mean, I um I've wanted to, you know, um have a go at beekeeping for years, right? I've just wanted to do it, and um you know, by chance, I'm not I and this sometimes happens when you don't think about it. By chance, there's somebody locally that you know um mentioned a course that was going on. I went to it and I thought, oh, this is good, but it was effortless, yeah. There was not not forcing anything effortless, and then I I've started to get a few bits and pieces together, like tools and a hive. And I my hive arrived today and I've putting it together.

SPEAKER_02 19:06

Did it?

SPEAKER_00 19:07

Yeah. Oh, and I drive, and I and I but I I just thought this is you know, this this is something I wouldn't usually do, right? And I thought, where is this gonna take me in my mind, for one, and this simple change, one thing, what impact will it have? What ripple effect will it have on me? You know? So you're talking about cooking, right?

SPEAKER_02 19:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:36

And cooking outside and and producing content and yes, let's say you started doing that and so and s you see what happens, right? That that focus of vibration then creates up a different pattern, and then you start to attract different things into your life, don't you?

SPEAKER_02 19:57

You know, I do, but I uh before I go back to m to me and I and the wise words as always from you, why bees? Because bees are I I don't know if people uh know, and there's a wonder there's a couple of videos, but y you know, I want to just premises and then hand back to you. I want to know why you were drawn towards bees, particularly harmonically, because they literally do hum and the hive literally resonates. But you know, I I think most people have heard that aerodynamically, according to aerodynamic engineers, it's impossible for a bee to fly, uh a bumblebee, that is, you know, with its body to wing ratio, and yet it flies. And what uh there's some fascinating stuff, which I believe to be correct. Uh that no, a bee does not fly, it hovers. And the wings r um uh uh vibrating at a certain rate, excuse me, and as you know, if you've ever found a dead bee, they're like hollow. And inside the bee, that r that cavity creates this resonance or this harmonic or this vibration, I'm not quite sure, probably all those, that allows it to um uh hover and uh which it looks like it's flying, which is flying, but it's actually hovering. Now, the next thing, and I really think you should look into this, is you ought to look into shungite honey or shunite bees if you haven't already. Because the bees, as you know, are being wiped out. In fact, I live in a place where they have beehives in the fields, specifically, so there's lots of bees around right now, to pollinate because it's all wheat country and you have massive plains, right? But um the bees um find their way around again by these sort of electromagnetic navigation. And the Wi Fi and the 5G and all these towers have been completely not not least the pesticides, you know, th they've not been finding their way back. And so This chap, I think it was a chap, might be a woman, but somebody uh who knew about shungite, which is this amazing, you know, mineral that's got a very interesting story behind it, it's very black, uh, from Russia mostly. They put this powder on the entrance of the beehive. So as the bee goes in, it gets on their belly or what have you, and it solved all their problem. They could find their way back. So bees are far more interesting than oh, can I have some of your honey, mate?

SPEAKER_00 22:28

Shungite's interesting. I, you know, as well as as being um a dentist, I'm uh uh energy worker and use crystals. So shungite's the one to go for protection.

SPEAKER_02 22:39

Actually, I'm sorry to choose you, but other as well as an energy worker, you're a dentist.

SPEAKER_00 22:45

Yeah, that exactly.

SPEAKER_02 22:46

That is the correct order.

SPEAKER_00 22:48

Yeah. And shungeite is uh it is a great protector for against electromagnetic radiation. And I've worked with it. It is, it's fantastic, it really strengthens your energy field and it does two things, it reflects and also transmutes those negative vibrations or unhealthy vibrations. But if you if you look at bees, um, I always get a sense that it's not just that they're flying, they're they're traveling along, you know, uh energy planes of consciousness that relate to flowers and the energies of nature. But I I I mean I love bees. I I find I find them the thing I love about them is they're so old, they're ancient, and they've been around for you know thousands and thousands and thousands of years. And the you know, they're a tiny little insect, but without them, we'd be effed, you know?

SPEAKER_02 23:45

Yeah, we we 100%. I mean, you know, kill the bees, kill the people.

SPEAKER_00 23:50

Yeah, and I re- I I if you you reminded me, I brought back a memory when I was a kid, uh growing up in the valleys. I remember I got stung by a bee once, right? And it the the little stinger was in my my arm, and I didn't get a reaction to it, like pain at all. You know? So maybe I'm destined to be a beekeeper, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 24:13

I'm just seguing into there, you know, or you know, um you may or may not know that bee venom is a real remedy, particularly a quite a lot of research has been done for cancers and breast cancer specifically. And so it's very interesting. And when Natalie first came to New Zealand to to, you know, we we as soon as we you know kind of rediscovered each other, we we recognised uh for us anyway that we'd we'd loved each other before. So when she came to New Zealand for the first time for us to physically meet, it really was, although we're both scared, it was a it was like a reun well no, it wasn't like it was a reunion. However, on the first day that I brought her home, you know, she got stung by a bee, and I thought that was very interesting. And but for you, I I'm going to share something with you now, some words of wisdom. So listen carefully before we go back to your aspect. Should you be stung by a bee or a wasp, and it's important to know which when I'm stung. When oh, you are gonna be, but when you're stung well, but this is to everybody, not just you. But but um specifically you, I guess today. If and when you are stung by a bee or you are stung by a wasp, be sure to know whether it was a bee or a wasp. And remember these wise words that many have remembered, including my children. If you're stung by a bee, it's acidic, and so you treat it with alkaline, which is bicarbonate of soda, okay? And if you're stung by a wasp, it's an alkaline, so you treat it with um acid such as apple cider vinegar. And so this is how you're going to remember this, right? If you're stung by a bee, then you use bee, bicarbonate of soda as the remedy. If you're stung by a wasp, use vinegar.

SPEAKER_01 26:16

And everybody Do you know what I thought?

SPEAKER_00 26:18

Do you know what I thought you were gonna say? No. I thought you were gonna say, you know, if you're stung by a wasp, it's alkaline, so you use acid. Yeah? And you know, when you stung by jellyfish, sometimes you you pee on it, don't you?

SPEAKER_02 26:34

That's right, urine, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:35

Well, not on the not on the jellyfish, because that does nothing. Except for piss it off even more, literally. Like, it's he's bloody urinating on me, you bass. Come here, let me sting you again. Right? But no, I've I've told my kids if you're stung by a bee, bicarbonate of soda, if you're stung by a wasp, vinegar. And everyone's ever remembered it, so there's wise.

SPEAKER_00 27:02

Yeah, it's a good tip, that's a good tip, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 27:04

It is a good tip, right? We have to come up with one for the weaver fish.

SPEAKER_00 27:09

Yeah, well, we've got to we've got to move on from that. That's that's a sore subject, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 27:14

It is. But however, back to back to your beekeeping. You know, I want to know where it where it came from, why, you know, is it just to make honey? I doubt it.

SPEAKER_00 27:23

I mean the honey's gonna be like No, I I I I think um I um I'd really like to have that relationship with something in nature, you know. And I think that you if you look at the geometry of what they create, those hexagonal, you know, sort of, you know, containers for honey and for uh the the other bees, the worker bees and the drones and the queens, it's just it's fascinating.

SPEAKER_02 27:53

Well, you've shared with me that isn't the the the maths of the universe Yeah, it's hexagonal, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:59

Yeah, so if you look at the three, you know, the if you look at um the non non-physical makeup of um consciousness and energy, it's considered to be a hexagonal shape, it's which is interesting.

SPEAKER_02 28:15

So if you look at rain, yeah, I was gonna say, doesn't that mirror it out into motor masses where they were all his hexagonal?

SPEAKER_00 28:22

Yeah, and also if you look at you know when um snow falls, it's all hexagonal.

SPEAKER_02 28:28

There you go.

SPEAKER_00 28:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:30

So it's in on it.

SPEAKER_00 28:32

Bees are in on it, huh? They they they're not just creating it randomly, they tuned into it, you know. And come on, I mean, to go out and collect, you know, whenever I see a bee going into a flower, yeah, you know, and I I just I try and think of what it's what it would be like for me to do that, you know. In there like that, just get in the nectar, and it'd be like, whoa, this is you'd be like it's like virtually being off your mind on sort of um pollen or honey or nectar or you know, that it must be such a it's like a joyous thing, you know.

SPEAKER_02 29:10

Yeah, well, I've now seen inside of you that I didn't know existed, and I've now got this image of you as a bee, right? Like I can see it clearly with the little glasses on and your white beard, right? And and just totally in this power with bits of pollen over my beard. And just this big, this big grin, you know. Um but yeah, no, but but this is you know, I I get it. Like the the bird song, I'm not only do I love the bird song, I'm starting to look at the birds, you know, the ones with wings, um, if Natalie's listening, right? Um, but I'm you know, I'm starting to look at the birds now as well as just listen to them. I love it. But and it just I I just want to be bathed in bird song. So for you, it did it start back as a boy, or has it just grown?

SPEAKER_00 29:55

Uh taking my own. I think it's grown. I think uh, you know, my wife had an interest in it as well, and um her mum did it for a little while, and while they were talking about it, I just you know I've always loved bees, you know. They they they just buzz around, they're going about their business, but be the in a way they're sort of harnessing the the sun, you know. If you look at honey, it's like liquid sun, you know.

SPEAKER_02 30:21

There's something but before I go into honey though, but most people in an athlete is terrified when bees come around.

SPEAKER_00 30:28

No, they never bees are lovely creatures. Yeah, look, I think uh um I think they it's like any creature, they pick up on fear, don't they? You know? So if you if you think you're talking about them flying through nature through the air, they're flying through the energy fields of of it of things. Like if they fly through the energy fields of nature, they're an energy field moving through an energy field. Like you were saying, if you've then got like EMFs everywhere, it's it's interrupting their energy field and the relationship of their energy field to other energy fields. So that makes sense why they'd be discombobulated, you know?

SPEAKER_02 31:08

Okay, so defaulting to energy fields, you want to be in theirs, and your intent, and on the subject of this whole podcast, you're going to literally well you've begun to bring it into the physical, you're going to get a beehive, and you're going to be in their field, and they're going to be in yours, and you're going to get stung. Yeah. You know, and what are you hoping?

SPEAKER_00 31:31

But it's like it's like the weaver fish thing, right? I I see like my my wife said to me, said, you know, you you know, you've probably cured something. You know, that that venom that you took took on board probably was good for you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:50

I I I do know what that that that's exactly what I was pertaining to with Natalie. I think that bees stung her on purpose.

SPEAKER_00 31:57

Yeah. Because there was I remember seeing a program back in the 70s, and there was somebody who was using bees as a therapy, sting, you know, stinging people purposely. Yeah, bee therapies. Poor poor bees, because they you know they lost their lives, you know. Yeah. But but um, but fascinating, and again, results as well with chronic disease.

SPEAKER_02 32:21

That that is something that is odd, isn't it? And and and yet it can't be odd because they're divinely made as well. That when they choose to sting, they must have a consciousness that that is their you know kamikaze uh, you know, um action. Their lives are going to end.

SPEAKER_00 32:43

So yeah, but if you look, if you look at a a colony of bees, uh, and I'm no expert, right? I'm I'm on the the start starting, you know, yeah, block one, right? But if you look at it, it's not about the individual. It's the whole the whole hive is like one organism, really. You know? And it's what it's like it's like all these little individual units make up this big consciousness, you know, and it's uh it's amazing, really, what goes on in a hive. So much goes on in there. So what are you hoping to do? See, look, I'm talking about this now, and I uh my brain is going somewhere else, yeah. Yeah, so my brain is going somewhere else, which is it's different to my get up, go to work, do this, listen to, you know. And it is I you I can relate to what you're saying. When you when you're in a caring profession, you're listening to people constantly, you're taking in constantly.

SPEAKER_02 33:43

I don't think you can even say listening. Yeah, I think it's more accurate, and you'll you know what I'm talking about. We have to completely tune in to them, right? We're trying to read their their tones of their voice, the energy coming off them, their facial expressions, their you know, everything is we're totally tuned, nothing else exists but them in front of us.

SPEAKER_00 34:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:08

So that we can do the best possible job.

SPEAKER_00 34:11

Yeah, and I think that what um you know that there are times when when you're in that flow uh of uh working, you need something that's different to it as a balance, you know.

SPEAKER_03 34:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:25

And uh so I'm hoping that this is one thing. And you're talking about, you know, if you if money wasn't an issue and you had all money, what would you do?

SPEAKER_03 34:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:34

I think what I've noticed with people when I've asked that question, and I'll come to what I would probably do, right? Um, is that they they get a block. Oh, you know, I don't know, because they've been so busy doing stuff rather than being someone, right? Um that sometimes it's a matter of what what what did you like? What did you like when you were a kid? Yeah. Or an early a teenager or very early on. What was this something you were really interested in? And then people go, Oh wow, I really like this or I like that. Or and you see this is like a little spark of something.

SPEAKER_02 35:16

Definitely you see the spark.

SPEAKER_00 35:18

And they they're the important, I think, reconnectors, yeah. Where you reconnect with um sort of memories that like you say, the you know, sort of rocks your boat, pumps your nads, as you say, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 35:34

Yeah, pump your nerds, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:37

So then yeah, so that you you're you're feeling it's not like work as much, you know. It's just the natural progression where you're enjoying it. Because I know as as well as you you know this, right? If you have to do something through uh an act of uh practicality and you've just got to do it, it sometimes feels like it takes twice as much energy to do it to get it done. And these are usually things which are imposed upon us that we have to do to fit into certain things. It takes so much energy, yeah, as compared to something that you're passionate about. You actually don't feel like it's work half the time.

SPEAKER_02 36:18

Well, this is brilliant, and it's exactly where I hoped we'd kind of get and explore our own situations and others, because you know, I uh uh the world is waking up, and and many people are waking up that um it has not been run benevolently, um, and certainly been run by criminals who are squandering and using quote-unquote hard-earned taxes, which mostly are unlawful from my research, and and and legal is a different thing, but they're certainly unlawful. And they've been squandering them. Ireland, as we just did last week, was a perfect example of that of how much money is going out of Ireland to um into God knows where that the Irish and the Irish suffer for it and not into the Irish people. But what the within that awakening and terms like you've been a slave, it's like the matrix, you're a slave near, right? And they didn't see it, they didn't know it. They were a slave to the system. But the way I prefer to word it is, and it's really important in this time, because I talk about the age of Aquarius, you talk about the age of Aquarius, more like, but it's it's microcosm, macrocosm. The individual's evolving, I'm evolving, you listening evolving, the humanity consciousness, everything's evolving rapidly. And the word I've most con the words I've most commonly used to try and communicate this is particularly those of unwell or not thriving or not in their right um path, on their right path, is it's the difference between being a human doing and a human being. And when you when that balance is out, and it is for most people, most people are human doings and never get the opportunity, or rarely to be a human being, you get sick. And I believe that those stirrings that I've just received are the message of excuse me, be willing. At the very least, pay attention. This is not something just quash and I must, you know, get back on the saddle and work harder, work longer, although I do all of those things. And I because I teach it so often. If you're not doing what you'll love, change your job. How do you change your job? You change your thoughts, you change your energetic feels, like Gareth is discussing. And actually, you know, a year goes like that. I'm going to be so interested for a year from now, and I'm handing back to you, what um experiences, because bees can, you know, can get sick and die. There's there's all kinds of problems that bee, uh I understand, but what it's going to bring you, the highs, the lows, what energetically shifts, what comes in, what goes out, I think it's going to be fascinating as an example of because let's face it, right? A the amount of honey that you may or may not produce from a single beehive is not going to replace any of your careers. So from a financial point of view, it's a deficit probably for the next year. It's going to cost you money. But I'm really intrigued what it will bring starting from now or or going forward. And I think that's the point of today. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:30

Before you went into that, I was the thing I was thinking most of, what I'm looking forward to, right? Um, is if there's honey, right? To be honest with you, I I'm not even thinking that far ahead. I'm just thinking to myself, um, I want to see where this takes me, right? I don't want to, I don't want to go, I want this, many hives, I want this. So what where is this gonna take me?

SPEAKER_03 39:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:58

What is what what am I gonna experience through it? And let me just go with it, right? Now, if I get honey after the first season, the fact that I can then taste that and I've been part of the whole process, that's gonna be very different to just buying honey, isn't it? You know? Oh god, I just even even even if my honey tastes mediocre, or not my honey, the honey the bees make, right, is mediocre, um, it's gonna taste better because there's this that interrelationship with it. You know, so it's gonna feed something in me that wants to taste that. Now, the other side of things is um to do this work I have to rely on other people's knowledge because I'm a beginner. And this is another thing that happens with people is that if they're trying to change, they they they find it difficult to rely on other people's knowledge, especially if they've been really um successful in something they've done for a long time, to put themselves in that vulnerable I don't know anything position, you know.

SPEAKER_02 41:10

Yeah, that's good.

SPEAKER_00 41:11

That happens, you know. I think that happens, yeah, and and and being okay with you know what, I I I don't know that much, and it doesn't really matter. I'm quite happy to to relearn something and start again, you know, but it also comes down to I think what we don't recognize enough, and I think we've talked about this in the the episode regard in regards to life, right? Is that people go through changes constantly, and there are major changing points through throughout the person's lifetime, like 30, 50, I think 60 is another one, and it tends to be like decades that seven to ten years, yeah, right? So it's like you get these changes that happen, and because you don't know what's beyond it, and let's say, like us, we've done these things for so long, right? And it's quite interesting the name of the podcast, Doctors No More, right? I know it had to gate from while I was while I was drawing on me.

SPEAKER_01 42:17

It's like uh maybe maybe it's not so much uh like two things up the system, but it's our own, it's our own it's basically our swan song into being beekeepers and outdoor chefs.

SPEAKER_00 42:37

But you know, you talk about outdoor, I you you you you know you've reminded me of that time when I was a teenager. I was talking about things that you I used to love cooking, right? Yeah, and I I I do now, right? I love uh cooking, especially outdoors, right?

SPEAKER_02 42:55

And very good you are.

SPEAKER_00 42:57

Yeah, and I it's great, right? And what happened was that I I used to, when I was a kid, I'd go to the kitchen, I'd just make stuff up, right? I'd make I'd get stuff and I'd make things up, and I go, I wonder what that tastes like. So it was like this um mad scientist type of thing to it, right? And then of course you go off, and I remember going to to university and and eating crap, basically. Not really because you your lifestyle changes, you'd have no time to do it, and then I think when I when I um reconnected with you and you were interested in food, it sort of brought that little bit back out in me. And then it sort of reignited something, you know? And I I think those those things that um and also with age you start to realise what things, you know, um nurture you a bit more, I think.

SPEAKER_02 43:58

Well, you know, if if if You were to look at my browsing history every day. It's immense research. And and and I play things at one and a half, one point seven five speed, so I can get through, you know, and get to the points, and you know, and and I'm just trying to always up my knowledge so that that one piece of information may help someone else. It's then geopolitical things and and trying to to understand you know the movement. Um and that includes you know the financial, geopolitical, and then it's food. You know, that these are the three things that you know and and honestly, my happiest place, you know. Like I caught myself this morning looking at a new barbecue, and I, you know, when I was in Ambleside, I had eight um different barbecues, I know, including an authentic tandoor oven. Um, and that's which you used which I used and oh fantastic. Oh, I loved it. I loved every bit about it, the hot everything.

SPEAKER_00 45:00

The skewers, I remember I remember helping you put put the meat on.

SPEAKER_02 45:05

Oh, well, I think did you for the tandoor? We certainly did for the Ambleside.

SPEAKER_00 45:09

I bought a We did it for Ambleside, but I did actually you did it for the uh for the other.

SPEAKER_02 45:14

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:15

You you were the perfect host and let me know.

SPEAKER_02 45:17

And really, Ambleside the two Ambleside events was really can I cook for a hundred people twice a day for two days? And the answer is yes, and it was dramatic.

SPEAKER_01 45:25

I bought these Cypriot So now you're seeing through the veil what it was really about.

SPEAKER_02 45:31

But I bought I wanted I wanted the drama because I understand great food is is more than nutrients, and it's more than what you know what we're designed to eat, and it's more that it's it's real food, it's like true medicine, true food, and it's memories, and what it it literally is soul food. So I wanted drama. So I bought these I bought these two commercial um Greek Cypriot open bar charcoal barbecues with a commercial rotatoring rotating spit on them, and I had all these you know skewers, as long as a sword, right, of meat going. So people people couldn't believe it, right? And they weren't expecting it, they were like expecting a burger, although I had done a menu for them, right? And they had ribeyes and and and sauces in the evening, but these spits at lunch were going, and the the charcoal, the smell, the you know, people were videoing it, and to this day that I'm talking about it, right? It's look at you, it's salivating, right? Like a Pavlov's dog. And and this is really, really important because, you know, um I I part of me wanted to go and do cordon bleu, you know, in my 30s, 20s, but I now realize, and this is what this conversation is about, and in fact, your beehives, you know, beehive is is really important to me, right? Because I think you're absolutely hit the nail on the head. Because if you're listening to this, and like me, you are um going through something personal, individual, you know, you know, you know, what I don't know whether I think it's evolvement from you know, whatever it is, but whatever we label it. But I think Gareth is right. And I'm right, and I've been saying it differently, but Gareth said it more eloquently. Start focusing, start bringing that into your life today, whatever it is, and however busy you are or not, or however frightened you are that you might fail. Because let's face it, Gareth, I don't know what money you've invested already into the bees. And the bees don't exist yet, just the infrastructure. But there must be a or the bees are coming.

SPEAKER_00 47:41

I can I could I can feel it. The bees are coming.

SPEAKER_02 47:44

Yeah, you you're you're connecting to that buzz, right? You can feel it, right? Um, and I'm I believe you, and I'm not just being, you know, tongue in cheek. But but there must be an element of what if I get it wrong, what if they get sick, what if they, you know, what if they swarm into the house. And I mean by the way, I have a swarming story. I I it's the most terrifying thing to happen. Yeah, it's it's we were in Trinidad. Um uh Natalie is originally from Trinidad, and we wanted serious bees out there. Well, we we wanted there was this retired doctor on the other side of the island, you know, quite high up, that that kept hummingbirds, and you could pay a small amount and go and spend a few hours and you know get close to these hummingbirds, uh, which are which are amazing creatures, you know, in this sort of tropical setting. You know, not that I don't particularly like trop uh uh Trinidad per se, having been there now. But nonetheless, we decided to go, and there were four of us, and the AC wasn't working, it had been raining, and so it was very humid. So we had the windows open, and you had to come up this very steep hill or drive to get to him, right? And as we got halfway up, about 100 feet, hundred metres, whatever it was, the wheels span because it was that steep and it was that wet, and you know, and they they literally span and we had all the windows open, right? And then all of a sudden to our left, you know, these black bees swarmed into the car. I mean, hundreds of into the car. Into the car from the vibration of the from this tree that he'd neglected to tell us there was this hive of black bees in this tree. So you can imagine, right? Hundreds, maybe a thousand more, I don't know, but hundreds of bees swarmed into the car, were all over us, everyone was screaming, and and in those moments, we're trying to get out of the car, and you know, and in those mo and not get the car to, you know, all these things go in ahead, not to go back and run someone over and blah, blah, blah, blah, right? And it was girls, you know, and Ryan and me, and they were screaming, and you know, they're everywhere, all over us. And in you can look back in hindsight, but in those terrifying seconds, up to a minute or two, you're waiting to be stung to death, and there's nothing.

SPEAKER_00 49:57

You weren't. Were you stung?

SPEAKER_02 49:59

Well, it turned out they were non-stinging black bees, which I'd never heard of, right? And it took several days to get over that trauma, right? And get them, it took them, it took them several hours to get them out of their hair, you know. Yeah. But but the point is, right, that's one of my stories, and we were good, and nothing bad happened, and we got over it. It took, you know, took a few days to really settle, right? But the point of it is, wherever whoever's listening, and whatever they might go, you know what, I have always wanted to fill in the blanks, right? There's going to be fear. Where's do you have any fear or concern? You must have some. Um worry, anxiety, none.

SPEAKER_00 50:43

Not really. I I think um I it's not something that um because it's happened quite naturally, right? And I'm not uh I think this this comes to whether you have to be dependent on something. You know, so this is not like a dependency financially or you know, so in that respect, I'm not forced to for it to be successful in some way. Yeah. So it's a it's purely for me a um uh something that I'm just gonna go along with whatever happens. Of course, if something happens to my you know, original colony, I'm not gonna be happy about it, it'll be upsetting. But um, and do I have any fears about you know being stung? Not really. Um I think to be honest with you, it's probably more along the lines of um, you know, will will I have enough energy to keep it up and keep it keep doing it, you know? Yeah, that's the main thing. Because you have to see you have to, you know, go and visit every week and make sure that there aren't changes, uh, unless it's winter time and then it's a bit more like every two or three weeks, something like that.

SPEAKER_02 52:06

But they're they're on your property, right?

SPEAKER_00 52:08

No, I'm gonna I'm gonna I've thought about that. I thought about having it um in the in the garden, which would be nice, but I think that initially I'm gonna I'm gonna do it. There's uh a a neighbor who's kindly offered a space on uh a piece of land that's not too far away, yeah. And I think it's away from people, yes, which is good. The last thing I want is to upset neighbours, yeah. No, I think you're wise, you know, and then once I've got the the skill of a season or two under my belt, then maybe I'll have a bit more of an idea, you know. But um I I mean you talk about watching things, YouTube's great for that, isn't it? Oh, it is. I mean I mean I've been watching and uh you know talking about swarms, I've been watching this guy who and his wife who who go and rescue swarms. And it's like initially, I I my thoughts.

SPEAKER_02 53:01

What do you mean go and rescue? Because the queens died, and is that why they swarm?

SPEAKER_00 53:05

No, no, no, no. So what happens is when you've got a beehive and it's expanding and the space is getting too small for it, the the original queen will leave with some bees and swarm to go and find a new place. And meanwhile, the remaining part of the hive will create new queens to take over. So there's this natural want need to expand.

SPEAKER_02 53:29

And that's the royal jelly, isn't it? That makes a queen.

SPEAKER_00 53:32

Yeah, they feed it royal jelly, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And um, so when you go and you know, my idea is a swarm is like a this this tumultuous mass of angry bees, you know. It's not that, it's basically a group of bees following a queen looking for a new home. And they'll swarm to one place, stay there, then swarm, they'll do like sections until they find a home, which is usually in a tree or somewhere dark or somewhere dry. Um, but it's fascinating. This guy who who, you know, sort of goes and rescues um uh swarms, uh, he's just so relaxed about it. You know, he basically has a method of doing it, gets the bees, uncovers them, takes the the honeykong out and the the all the sort of cells that they made, and then finally finds the queen. And when you find the queen, you put in a little queen cage for uh to keep it, you know, where you want it, and he gets it, puts it in a carbour box, and because of her, you know, smell and pheromones, all the bees then follow into that box and he takes it away. It's great. Wow. You know, and then he you obviously puts give gives them to somebody who's got beehives, or but it's fascinating, you know. So that side of things, I wouldn't I I I think I probably would like to do that at some point, is just experience what that's like, you know.

SPEAKER_02 55:02

So amazingly, you know, we're we're nearly at the end. I I don't know where this hour went, we're nearly, you know, come it coming up.

SPEAKER_00 55:11

It's it's it's flown by, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 55:13

It really has, right? It's been a buzz. Um but Do you know what's funny though?

SPEAKER_00 55:17

Before you go into that, it made me think about something funny. If you it's amazing how when you change your train of thought and focus on something, right, you start picking up on it more in your environment where you might not recognize it, yeah, and people talk about it naturally, and you think, oh wow, that's a coincidence. And it's like I I was watching, you know, if I say to you toast, you think of our favourite place in London.

SPEAKER_02 55:47

I do, and you're drinking one of your favourite IPAs, yeah, cool toast.

SPEAKER_00 55:51

But I I I sort of clicked on a uh a series called Toast of London, which is about a really bad actor, it's a comedy, right? Yeah, and he he goes round to this this woman's house, they've obviously been out for a date and they've gone back to hers, right? And he comes through the door and he looks he looks on the wall, and it's like you know, like stag heads with people who hunt, she's got these beaks of of birds like on on the wall, tiny beak, and he goes, Oh, I thought you were a beekeeper, he says, and she says, No, I'm a beekeeper. Like hilarious, and I just thought, you know, would I have got would I have tuned into that more if I wasn't doing this? So it's like the moment you make a decision to change and introduce something in, you vibrationally things start attracting to you.

SPEAKER_02 56:53

Yeah, I mean I mean, I think this is you know, today it's um excuse me, part therapy, you know, for for you and me. But I I think it's I think there is nuggets of wisdom in these here hills, because I can think of many people now, you know, not not least myself, that if you are finding yourself lost or or you know in that pattern that you described, you know, of you going into London and you you you look at it with new eyes that actually, yeah, I'm in patterns of behaviour and and where I you know where I am in time and what I do with my time, because at the end of the day, all we ever have is time, right? It's the most precious thing. And so if if you're at that stage, young or old or wherever you are, sick or healthy, wherever you are, um, you know, uh with means to change or, you know, more importantly, with means not apparently not means to change, I think, as always, it defaults to energy. And if you start to take some of what we've talked about to heart and start looking, because presumably, Gareth, you didn't just go out and buy a hive, you started watching videos but or a book or something.

SPEAKER_00 58:16

Yeah, this this has taken a little while to to filter into my life, you know. And it's it's just happened that you know, a neighbor has gone, oh, there's a course on, it's not far. Because always before, right? It's been there's always been something that's made it difficult. So it hasn't naturally sort of flown in that direction.

SPEAKER_03 58:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:40

So this time it was like, oh, that's just happened by chance. They, you know, they've said there's a I can get there on the right day when I when I'm not at work, it's on the the same day. Usually it's on a different day. So it's it's going with um the flow of something a bit more, I think.

SPEAKER_02 58:59

Well this I think while you were talking. But um are you there, Gareth?

SPEAKER_00 59:09

I think it's yeah, I am. Did we lose each other then a little bit?

SPEAKER_02 59:12

Yeah, I'll see what the recording comes you'll have to see what the recording comes out.

SPEAKER_00 59:15

Yeah, I can I can I can add or take away or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 59:19

You know, um it said by internet suddenly drops.

SPEAKER_00 59:22

Before before I uh go back to you though, one thing I'd say so in relation to that, if you are changing something, people go through this thing of oh, I need to change, and then they they s it they either make a clean break and do something completely different. And some people are successful at that, but from my end, you know, my experience is just take a step towards something and build sometimes people need to build it slowly and move so it doesn't cause a uh a stressful situation, a stressful change, you know.

SPEAKER_02 59:59

Well, like everything, there's ebbs and flows and cycles to it. Some people like fuck it, I'm quitting. And you know, I'm I'm gonna start being uh, you know, making pottery or something. And yeah, but but for most, I believe it's you need to, no matter how busy you are, stressed, worried, or financially not able, you start connecting with the energy of what pumps your gats. You know, you know, and I really th I really believe in that energy, and I really believe in that method, because as you start to what let's let's take your example, as you start to watch videos, this energy builds, and you're like, oh god, yeah, I want to do, I really want to so you start maybe reading a book or connecting to a Facebook group or reaching out, you know, and what I find fascinating and and and I'm gonna be very interested in your journey is then when when you're actually in it and you begin it, you know, who are you going to meet along the way? You know, um who's going to buy your honey or stumble across your hive and you know what what beekeep old beekeeper, wise beekeeper are you going to be able to do it?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:07

You're very intuitive. There's I've been told already that there's there's there's a guy, really old guy, who's got so much wisdom about beekeep beekeeping, and he's incredibly keen to pass on his knowledge, you know. Oh wonderful. So that's gonna be great.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:25

I'm sure it that that's you know, not that I was down, although I may have been a little bit melancholic, that has lifted me completely because we talk about energy and energy fields and harmonics and you know it that is where it all foundationally emanates, excuse me, and em emanates from, right? So sorry about that. Emanates from.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:49

But since that could have gone up the wrong end, couldn't it?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:52

It could have done. Since you um made a more determined thought decision to connect in a relatively short time, it's potentially connected you with a man of much wisdom, a new teacher, which is you know, we all forever we should be learning. And that's what I love the most because when you connect with that, you know, that old wisdom, you know, that probably isn't on YouTube and things, and you have a proper relationship, you know, that's that's actually what life's about. So I'm I'm unless you have anything to comment, I'm got to be.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:33

I've got one more thing. Yeah, go. I I was chatting to patients about it, and you know, and there's a and there's and I this is what I love about random conversations, right? Yeah, and this guy came in, he he's empty odd, and I said, Oh, I'm doing uh doing oh, he says my dad was a beekeeper. I said, was he, right? You this is what I'm saying, that how these you change and it sets up these different conversations and things, right? And I said, Oh wow, that's interesting. How did that happen? And check this story out, right? So this must have been he was around 70, so it must have been 60 years ago, right? He phoned the police station to say there was a swarm in his garden, right? Yeah, the local Bobby was a beekeeper, right? He came round and he said, You should keep these bees. I've got a hive, I'll give it to you. Right?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:28

I love the story really.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:30

Yeah, I I had immediately in my mind, I had this a complete start to a story, you know, where it goes into something, you know, it's a beautiful start to a story. The idea of a police coming around, he's a beekeeper. Then he keeps, you know, he says, I've got a hive, you can keep them. And he kept bees for for the rest of his life, right? And I said, That's a great story, I said. And this guy said to me, he said, Well, actually, he says, I'm doing a creative writing course, he said. I said, That'd be a great start to a story. I said, Oh yeah. He says, Well, maybe I'll write something about it and I'll let you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:10

Yeah, write what you know about the golden rule.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:14

And I I just thought it was so poignant, you know?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:18

It is poignant, it's it's more than poignant, it's beautiful. And it actually is all these things connect us back to a time of sanity, yeah, and a time where where arguably, you know, um cultures and common ways were more common. Certainly, common sense was common. So I'm you know, I'm gonna wind up today's podcast, which has enthused me, and um and leave it leave leave the listener with this thought, right? Wherever you're at, however young or old you may be, wherever your health may or may not be. If I want you to reconnect or at least give time to think about when you were a child or or or there or thereabouts, and and maybe you don't need to do it that way, but it's usually a good place to start, what is it you used to dream of? What is it you know you used to hope you would find yourself doing rather than what you perhaps have been doing? And you know, if if money comes into the equation, you know, that's why we use the exercise. If you had all the money in the world, what would you do after you've you know paid everyone's mortgages and traveled, blah blah. What would you do? And so I want to end today's podcast with start connecting with those thoughts, start connecting with those energies. And the only question left for you then is to be or not to be. Thank you for listening.