The Doctors No More Podcast
The Doctors No More Podcast is hosted by Dr Jeremy Ayres and Dr Gareth Thomas, seasoned practitioners in natural medicine with over 50 years of combined clinical experience, exploring the deeper patterns of dis-ease that emerge when physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual health fall out of alignment. Each week, they move beyond symptom management and medical dogma to examine the unconventional, the ignored, and the uncomfortable — tracing how stress, trauma, belief systems, lifestyle, and meaning shape the body’s signals — in order to bring the true roots of health and healing back into the present, so people can reclaim clarity, resilience, and genuine personal empowerment.
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Building Real Resilience In An Unnatural World
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Stress is not always a personal failure. Sometimes it’s a signal that something around you is off, and resilience is the skill that helps you tell the difference. We get honest about what resilience really means, from everyday discomfort to the kind of pressure that makes people feel like they’re breaking inside. Along the way, we share a story that flips a common myth: wealth can look like freedom on the outside while creating a quiet terror of losing everything on the inside.
We zoom out to how resilience used to be built through real life: community accountability, kids taking knocks and getting back up, and learning to handle conflict without a permanent digital record. Then we contrast that with the modern mental health reality of social media anxiety, constant approval-seeking, cyberbullying, and the fear of being filmed and judged. When your sense of worth is tied to likes and dislikes, confidence becomes fragile, and stress becomes personal even when the pressure is coming from the system.
We also talk about “engineered” stress: rising costs, taxes, and policies that seem designed to squeeze the ordinary person, plus what that does to your spirit over time. Our takeaway is a mix of practical and spiritual resilience: spot the source of the pressure, refuse to take the bait, lean on community, rebuild hands-on competence, and choose responses that stay creative, loving, and grounded in common sense. If this resonates, subscribe, share the episode with someone under pressure, and leave a review. What’s the biggest thing testing your resilience right now?
Welcome And Why Resilience Matters
SPEAKER_00Well, welcome back to the Doctor's No More podcast. And you should know by now that that is NO, not KNOW. Although every time I listen to my learned Welsh friend, I do believe he is in the no. But welcome, welcome back. Welcome back, Doc Thomas. How the diddly are you?
SPEAKER_01The no. Is that like a special club or something?
SPEAKER_00Well, yes, it's it's for the wise. Provenly wise. You're in the no. I'm in the no. Secret handshakes, that sort of thing.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Oof. Look at that. Yeah. I mean, no. It's like um yeah, I mean, I mean, you you've uh uh made me think today, which is a good thing. I knew it would happen.
SPEAKER_00It's like it's like the pressure of water in geology, give it enough time, right?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you may you made me think and make an impression. Yeah, you you you sort of and then I could feel the this the one cell in my brain. Oh, you know, you've doubled it, you've doubled yeah, it was half half a week ago. That was it. When you said to me, Well, what you know, what should we chat about today? And um, I um I thought resilience, you know. Uh it's a word that's talked about quite a lot these days in terms of you know building resilience, um especially in things that relate to uh stress and uh life um life uh management and courses and things like that. Resilience is a core core subject. Um so I thought we'd start, you know, that'd be a good place to to go today. Um because I don't know about you, um uh you know, life has its challenges constantly until we leave this mortal coil. I think that's just the reality of things, unless you're very, very, very um blessed with no challenges whatsoever, or you're a complete liar and you say you don't have any challenges.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, well, you know, show me a man that's um claims he's got no stress and I'll show you a liar. That's not actually the saying, you know, it's show me a man that's made no mistakes and I'll show you a liar. Did you just make that up? No, I didn't. Well, I did that part. I did. Yeah, okay. Yes. However, it's it's a very um interesting subject. And and and just on you know, the back of
The Wealthy Man Who Felt Fear
SPEAKER_00uh I'm gonna tell you a qu a very quick story. Um of you know, when you suggest that there may be someone out there or people out there that um excuse me that that don't have any stresses, I think most people um probably, and I'm making an assumption, and I don't like to do that, but probably think, yeah, someone who's made it, you know, wealthy, you know, or or or whatever, right? And the the story I'm going to tell very briefly to counteract that is is of uh a very a very great man. I I I became you know good friends with him for a while when he came to see me when he was quite unwell. And he and I won't do too many details, right? But um he and he could have gone to anybody because he he'd become a very, very, very wealthy man, right? And he went to me and some other chap and and some interaction with with um mainstream medicine. But anyway, um the he had started you know from very, very humble um origins, right? I.e., you know, needed to work for a living, and and he'd made it once, and then I if my memory serves me correctly, he'd lost it all, which is not uncommon in these kind of stories. And then he was practically giving up, and he thought, no, I'm gonna I'm gonna give it sort of one more go. And a deal came or an opportunity came through that was all risk, really, um, in the field that he'd been in, and he took it and it paid off massively, and then that springboarded them off to doing, you know, they were in they were into large buildings, spring springboarded them off into doing a low bore, and he became extremely wealthy. And um most people would think, you know, and and of course the photographs that he would probably share on social media was of, you know, gym palaces and first class and you know going here now and blah, blah, blah, right? And and all lovely, I'm sure it was. I'm not saying that they didn't enjoy that at all, right? However, you know, in our conversations, you know, one of the things that showed itself was um, and I'd probably say terror, but certainly extreme fear of losing that. You'd think they'd become like easy street and you know, living the high life which they were, and deservedly so. They they absolutely deserved to live the high life having earned it the hard way and being through the the worry and the stresses and the tears and God knows what else. And it had impacted his health. But what it was very clear was that the the condition he came to see me about, you know, in my view at the time, uh he he needed to leave his business because it was consuming him, which is not uncommon. Businesses especially successful businesses can consume you, literally. And and yet the fear was to walk away from that and it all collapse. Totally understandable, and you know, lose what he'd gained because you'd become comfortable. But in fact, he was uncomfortably comfortable because now it was right in the back, or the depth of him was I can't go back to you know that that that you know I probably unwarranted fear. So when we let's start the conversation about resilience and the different aspects of of that, and the different degrees of that, because it's one thing to be, or it's a bit chilly, put a scarf on and you know, be a little bit resilient out there. Two, you know, I feel like I'm breaking on the inside from all the pressures, and you know, so that's what I want to talk about. But I think it is misguided or um misinformed if you think money, you know, will will solve all your problems. The moment I say that, I I think of uh the great Lily Tomkin, I think it is, who was in you know, nine to five. She's just a great, you know, and the man with two brains with Steve Martin, Lily Tompkins, an actress, just absolutely wonderful. And she's I'm I'm pretty damn sure my memory serves me correctly. She's famous for saying, anybody that says money doesn't solve your problems obviously hasn't had me. So so you know, anyone listening, including us, I I wish you those kind of problems going forward. But let's let's talk about what resilience are you talking about, and what is it?
SPEAKER_01I mean, it's a word that can relate to quite a lot of different scenarios. So you're talking about someone who's built up a lifetime and it's all broken down, they're thinking of giving up, and then they rebuild something. So there's a resilience around vocation, jobs, creating money, wealth, all that sort of thing. Uh, I mean, but there's also you know, really resilience in terms of um uh you know, it's of other types of relationships with people, uh parental resilience, um resilience as a child or as a you know, uh someone growing into the world. And I I think you know, it's that it's the difference between having a difficult lesson and learning from it in a way that makes you stronger in a positive sense rather than succumbing to it and becoming victim of it. Because it's quite easy to step into that victim place of like the world is beating me up, I don't have any power. Um and the more that you work with, I think resilience and seeing that you can turn things around, you don't welcome it, but when challenges come, you sort of you know take, as they say, take the bull by the horns. And I think that's the difference, is is you know, resilien resilience is I think um be able to recognize the lesson. True resilience is being able to recognise the lesson, learn from it, and and and welcome that strength that comes from it, and use it in a positive sense. You know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, this is
Lessons Over Victim Mindset
SPEAKER_00this is very interesting because I think before you go into it, I just just a thought.
SPEAKER_01We know we were talking about um the men. There's a there's also this other side of the coin where they you know it's I can't be weak, I can't be um uh seeming to be, you know, so uh show a vulnerable side to myself. I think that's slightly different. There's a difference there between true resilience and being hardened to actually plow on, you know.
SPEAKER_00Well, that's what I was kind of gonna pertain to because I think we have to step backwards first. And you know, I've said it many times, I think, but you know, we we've been born certainly in you know recent generations into a more and more unnatural world. Excuse me, more and unnatural world. Um and what what I mean by that is from the get-go, um we're we're raised um certainly into a society that that John Lennon described very well, you know, a an insane society, I think he said, run by maniacal people for maniacal reasons, that's become quote unquote normal, when in fact it's abnormal. And within that, actually, I was watching something the other day that's just reminded me of this, and it was a video of a young kid, you know, going down or jumping off a playground platform and you know, from quite height and and rolling quite awkwardly, and then you know, getting up and continuing. And and you know, it was it was a beautiful thing to watch because the other thing I'd watched the day before was reminiscence of anyone
Growing Up With Real Consequences
SPEAKER_00born before the 80s, certain certainly, you know, in in the 70s, and I was 69, I think you were 67 or something like that, right? Um, you know, the the the command your mother gave you when it was summer holidays was in the morning, get outside and be back in time for dinner, right? And you know you'd go off and you'd do all these all these things that included if mot if mum had seen what we'd done and where we'd been, and you know, she would have probably had kittens, you know, and yet we survived, you know.
SPEAKER_01Several kittens.
SPEAKER_00Several, several batches of kittens, yeah. And she would have chased me more often up the stairs with this clothes brush, um, which was you know, she had this put like foot to eight inches.
SPEAKER_01She obviously kept you in in a good state then. She she brushed her clothes down quite often, did she?
SPEAKER_00Well, my arse seemed to be particularly dirty or dusty, but no, she had this. I wanted to get one for the you know to show the boys, but it was like this 18-inch long, flat, rectangular wooden strip with velvet on one side and a clothes brush on the other for differing things. And it was on the top of the coat hooks. Well, you had to come in my house and go downstairs, and then there's kitchen, so that's where the coat hook were. And if you really got in trouble, I mean you this is the thing, you see, we feared my mother in a loving, like if mum went for you, right? You deep deep down you knew she was right, you know, and and my mother's the old school philosophy was I'm so worried you're gonna go the wrong way, I'm going to terrorize you, you know, if necessary, with a clothes brush until you go the right way. You know, and and I think people of that generation understood that. It wasn't all cotton wool and come here and you know, it was like what you know you know what though, I re I remember.
SPEAKER_01Um, I mean, I I don't know about you, but I I grew up in uh quite a close-knit community, right?
SPEAKER_00So you in in the fluffy community of the Welsh Valleys where everybody was. Yeah, they're absolutely fluffy and loving and supporting men, men came to you and said, Do you need to talk about this?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that that sort of community, right? And so I I remember if if you did something that wasn't right, right? Yeah, and somebody saw you, you know they'd go, I know your dad, I know your mum.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, my dad was like, Thank God. It was I know your mum, and I was like, Oh shit. I'm gonna say terrible.
SPEAKER_01So there was this sort of community um protection in a way, and sort of the background um energy that was watching out for children, you know, yeah, and and supporting them and holding them. You might I might not have been aware of it consciously, but it's it's there, you know. It is. So it on the other side of the the coin of is also that um feeling of being able to, you know, trust other parents, you know. So that if say you know you'd be in someone else's house, they'd feed you, they'd they'd make sure that you behaved in a certain way. So there was this this feeling of you know, trust between parents.
SPEAKER_00Well, there was, and that's what I was sort of leading to, in a sense, is that you know, it in back in that time before technology, and I really think technology has to come in to this conversation later on, because you talk about resilience, and technology has had a large part in breaking it and and altering behaviour and a whole number of things, let alone other stuff and social media. But you know, it was it was of course they wanted, you know, from a child's perspective, which is where I started, of course, no one wanted a child to be seriously hurt, right? But I regularly saw people at school with a with a cast on, right? You know, I mean it was it was I couldn't say how often, but I remember seeing them, and we all wanted to sign them and put silly shit on it that they're gonna get told off when they get home. Like, who did that? Who wrote that?
SPEAKER_01You know what you drew on there. Exactly. You know what, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Okay, allegedly. Right? I was a good boy, Gareth, like you. But you get the point, right? I I think you almost don't see that now. It if anything, they're gonna have a dislocated thumb from playing PlayStation.
SPEAKER_01You're a good boy like me. We just knew how to bend the rules and get away with it in a in a sensible way.
SPEAKER_00Well, you know, I mean, I did, you know, looking back, we did some dumb shit, and at the time we didn't think it was dumb shit, right? But we certainly didn't do anything intentional to to that I can think of or remember. You know, we were just out there having fun. But the point was we were out there, right? And we were getting hurt and we were getting into danger, and we were, you know, mostly that the the the greatest adult trauma we would suffer would be the park keeper or the caretaker of the school, because we used to go into school after it's closed to play, running and shouting at us and you know, threatening us with all kinds of things and running away, you know, that sort of stuff, right? But the point is, you know, you are you're born into a world that was more um true, I would say. And so there is some resilience that's built up, you know, the arguments got sorted mostly between you, or you wouldn't talk to him for a day, and then you'd come out the next day and go, You want to play?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's uh it's like you know, I I remember when you you know you'd you'd have a fight with someone, and you know, the it there'd be like uh a certain period, and then you'd be friends the next day, you know. And I think that's the difference. Now there's so much over involvement with things that it it amplifies things and it takes it into a different realm rather than allowing children to work things out for themselves in a certain way, you know? Yeah. Obviously the things can go really wrong as well. I'm not saying that that's not the case, but I think that um I I think I don't know, adults maybe were just more more trust in in life as such, you know?
SPEAKER_00Well, there certainly was community. I mean, we lived in a uh what the Americans would call a cold attack, what we call a dead end road, and everybody had their front door key on a string through the let box or under a flower pot or some dodgy rock that didn't deserve to be there, right? You know, and you know, it was it was as you said, we were in and out of everyone's houses. We knew the neighbors, even the ones that were arseholes, and yes, there were. We we lived next door to Jim and Nora, Nora the other side, and they were both um challenging at times, you know, but there was also wonderful neighbours. But the point is, but they helped that.
SPEAKER_01They
Social Media And Fragile Confidence
SPEAKER_01helped you build resilience against neighbours.
SPEAKER_00That's it, right? It wasn't all fluffy. See, that and I don't want to jump there too soon, but part of what I've been looking at is the the youth that call them such things of today, and even the young adults of today, which came from maybe the 2000 or uh yeah, yeah, 2000, excuse me, is is they're terrified. And someone made this very apparent to me, they're terrified of social media, you know, particularly the younger ones, getting a um a thumbs down or a you know, there's a lot of quote unquote cyber bullying, they want to be liked, they want to be loved, they will, you know, they almost need it to have um core value in the world. And then the other thing that I didn't appreciate, although I was aware of it, so when it was said it was obvious, is they're terrified of being filmed. So um my understanding, and I haven't been to a club in many years and never liked clubs, is is that a lot of people don't dance now because they're terrified of being filmed and it being up on social media, you know, live even. And so there's been this whole suppressive movement through technology that that is the opposite of building resilience. It's the you know, this inversion, unless you become an influencer, most of those are bullshit, right?
SPEAKER_01It's it's it's more like an anti-social media, a lot of it. Totally, you know, and uh I think that you know, if you take all that stuff down to very, very basic psychological level, the idea of like, dislike, you know, in in favor, out of favor, uh that's very deprogramming. And then that person, you know, it's like a switch. Am I liked? Aren't I liked? Am I worthy? Am I worthy? You know, aren't I worthy? And we we we're really at the very beginning of of technological um uh the effect of technology on on psychology, you know. And I take that I take that even further. What effect does it have on a soulful level of someone? You know what is happening on a soulful level? Is there is there uh an interference of the the the person's soulful connection? Is there um a disconnection with the soul energy, and then people are just being held. In a level of consciousness that's not really going anywhere. That's the illusion it's going somewhere. You know. But all that's happening is that it's going in a direction that is, you know, controlled constantly.
SPEAKER_00Well, let's go there in a minute, because you know, the older you are and the further back you were raised, even one could argue a bad childhood, right? I mean, of course, I've worked with lots of people and almost always have had trauma in their childhood, and it has changed them and affected them, and maybe even frequently been part of the foundation of their dis-ease and their label. But, you know, there was survival, there was resilience. I think the point I'm getting to, and we've talked about it off mic, is this world was not meant to be by default happy, fluffy, tell it, da-da-da-da, you know, world. It was actually designed. In fact, we wrote it in the Red Pill Revolution. We were meant to be used to being uncomfortable. Comfortable with being uncomfortable, i.e., as you became men, in i if the history is correct, it probably isn't, in times before us, ancestral times, you would have to get off your ass to go and find food. Forage, hunt, harvest, whatever it was. But you'd have to get off your arse or you would starve. You would have to get wood months in advance, usually, labour, energy, you know, cuts, splinters, you know, sore hands. You know, the boys might uh uh went and did some physical work the last two days because we're building a house, and even though they're fit, as is anything, they are like they've been in a fight, right? They're they're they're yeah, but they'd have to suffer and feel pain for reward. And you know, as opposed to, you know, let's get Uber Eats in or um you know turn the heating thermostat up or or or Uber Eats or Dash or whatever or whatever the nonsense is called, delivering non-food. So it was a very different time. And that that was a you know, we talk about rites of passage, but every day was a rite of passage, really, you know, because it was you have to become comfortable, being uncomfortable to get benefit and quote unquote survive, to even have an opportunity to consider being happy.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean, I I think that the natural uh way of things is um that survival mechanism, fight to flight, it's not there for no reason. You there to use it. You know, so if you fear, you know, that you don't you need something, you it pushes you into to action to do something. The problem is that we've looked at that that relationship between fight or flight sometimes in the wrong way. There's nuances in it. We say, oh, you know, you're you know, it's either you run from a a tiger or you stand and fight it. There are nuances in between, of course, that's more subtle, so that you know you you get a pressure, you either say, Well, uh, you know, I'm not gonna um go into this, or if you if you confront it and go into it and build resilience through doing something that makes you a bit uncomfortable, once you get used to that process, you build it and you build it and you build it. And life is life is like this from where I sit. The more you build resilience, the more you get tested. So certainly that's been my experience, you know. And so the more you get tested, the more resilience you you build, the more wisdom you build, the more understanding about the way life, you know, what it deals you and how to deal with it, then you, you know, you do have some ability to sit and think, well, okay, rather than being headless in something, oh my god, this has happened. You go, okay, let's let's sit down and think about this, and how do we navigate it in a way that is um empowering rather than being disempowered. Um and
Engineered Stress Through Money And Control
SPEAKER_01I mean lots of people I think feel disempowered now. You talked earlier about resilience and the modern world, you know, when you're talking about that, I thought about how how much you know, those people who have all these systems set up that uh that are in my mind robbing people constantly every day, right?
SPEAKER_00In what sense?
SPEAKER_01How much yeah, well, it's like what you take one individual, they they get um taxed for one thing, their bills go up, their food bills go up, all these pressures from lots of different um uh areas of life, right? Then you have to behave like this, you have to behave like that. Collectively, when you look at it all collectively, it's not natural forces, it's unnatural. Like a natural resilient force would be um something happens in life that forces you to look at life in general, you know. Some of these external forces are manufactured in a way that actually doesn't allow people to live, you know. And I think and I think that there's so much every you know, there's so those people who who have that that you know parasitic that's where I'd call it, it's parasitic view of humanity feeding off it, um they they've got a piece of pie of everyone, you know. And then when you when there's a piece of pie of everyone, those people individually, what do they have left for themselves? Now, if people were really sensible, who you know, I'm not saying it's bad to earn money and it's bad to have power, but if you can use it in a sensible way, right? So the way that things are going, that mentality of taking a piece of each individual person and take you know, expunging as much out of that person as possible is not sustainable, so it's not sustainable for the long term, you know, and I can see that now. You say I I mean you know why I'm traveling to London every week. You you look at people's faces, there's such a lack of joy in what they do. Yeah, well it's so automatic, you know. And I I'm in that, I'm in that, you know, that um um category occasionally I'll I feel like that. I think what what's the point of this, you know?
SPEAKER_00Well, you know, that's uh that's why I started that we're born into um abnormal, you know. Um and it's interesting that you use the word parasitic because you know the Gnostics and many other um I don't know whether Gnostics could be called people, more philosophy, but the certainly it's a it's a pervasive um understanding from many areas, certainly the tribal people that I've worked with or studied, that there is a parasitic energy that entered into this realm, and it's yet to be um fully understood, perhaps. But I think we'll come into a time when we do know for sure whether the quote unquote um people at the top, the so-called delete that that are being removed systematically, I believe, you know, are in some way connected with that parasitical energy. But for sure, when you look at it critically, and that's what we wanted to do in the red pill revolution, you know, it's it's a it's a revolution of consciousness. When you look at it critically with common sense, and common sense is extremely uncommon, um, you know, it nothing appears to be done to actually benefit people. It it it what it's what it mostly shows is it's done to stress people. And the more you stress people on whole, and of course you have to educate them or what I call head educate them, brainwash them into accepting this kind of behavior, and that Monday to Friday is when you go to work to get a job, which stands for just overbroke, and then you're weakened for the weekend, and then you go again, right? And there was a time, of course, not so long ago, where only one person in the usually the man had to work, and and the standard of living was was much more um human, shall we put it that way. But the what you're talking about is currently, as we're recording this, you know, gas prices or petrol prices, depending on where you are, through the roof, and you know, uh energy prices, which is just stupid, all the food prices, everything. It's designed, you know, literally. I mean, it what it was, was it Rothschild? I think it was, who said, you know, give me the power to create money, and I care not who makes the laws, because you know, who who controls the money, you know, controls the world. And we're in a very interesting time of what looks like the great financial reset and the take what JF Kennedy tried to do, take it back from the central banks, the printing of money out of thin air, and then your taxes basically pay the interests implicitly on it, back to a you know, an asset-based financial system where everyone can benefit again. But let's not go down that route too much. Bottom line is money and making things expensive. And this is what's happening, this is why it kicked off in Ireland. You know, this is a good example of how to generate behavior, negative or positive. The outcome sometimes may look like negative and a positive outcome, and vice versa. But in Ireland, what kicked off the average Irishman was was not all the other nonsense that has invaded Ireland per se. It was I cannot afford to put gasoline or diesel in my truck or tractor and actually do the work to you can't even call it live, not go bankrupt. That is what you know manifested the protest, all peaceful, and you know, it will eventually, I'm sure, be very, very positive. But the government chose to use violence rather than talk to them. And why I bring that up is it turns out 65% of the cost, I think it's 65%, 65% of the cost of the gasoline or diesel is taxed. So they could have very, very easily gone, look, let's just boop, we've got all these reserves of oil sitting over here and gas, let's just, you know, for the common per person, common being respectful, not, you know, um an insult in any way, but the ordinary chap and woman, and life would have been easier. So it was very, very clear to the world watching that the government's intentions were not in any way, and never have been, to help the Irish people or the English people or the German people, whoever else is listening, it was to create um pressure, break, and certain behaviours.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and I I think if you turn around to those those people on the ground and said, Oh, well, you know, you've got to build resilience to this, that's a different, that's a different story. That's that's to me, that's an engineered problem. Totally. That's an engineered dialogue.
SPEAKER_00It's the old is it Hegelian dialect, problem reaction solution, is it diagonal hygiene?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think so, but it's it's like that's an engineered problem rather than something that life just brings up naturally, exactly resilience to it. So um that people are being put under these pressures which are unnatural. Yeah, you know, and what happens is that it breaks people's spirit, you know. Yeah, by design. It's meant to break people's spirits, you know. And um, I mean, I'm I'm I I do have this very strong um, uh I don't know if fate is the right word, but I do have this very strong understanding that ultimately the the light of the soul is much stronger to overcome things like this and always has done, right? Otherwise, we wouldn't be on the planet still. I agree, we wouldn't be here. So the humanity has its inbuilt resilience to survive, to evolve, and to want to create something better, right? And it's the the problem is is that you know, you'll always get this group that wants to control and wants to manipulate and wants to engineer for the sake of their own ends. Now, my concern is that the more people are waking up to that, right? And they are, it's they are, but the secret would be when it's you know, it's that um there's a great song by uh uh a um a folk artist called Vin Garbert, and it's his song, it's basically the line is when oppressed becomes oppressor, yeah. So the the problem would be is when the oppressed sort of rise and they take power, this the the the risk is is that they become the same. Whereas what's wanted is people need to rise above something and create something different, yeah, a higher level of consciousness, a higher vibration of of living, higher, higher consciousness, yeah. So that what what happens, and I my my teacher of lesser who you moved on from this realm a couple of years ago, right? She always said if the vibration of the planet goes up and up and up, then if it's to a certain high vibration, those lower souls that want to create havoc cannot incarnate here anymore because the vibration's too high. Interesting. You know, so it's just the natural energetic law that if the vibration is higher, those souls that come into you know that do cause real evil deeds in this world. Yes, definitely let's call it, let's call it what it is. If the vibration is beyond that, they can't incarnate here anymore.
SPEAKER_00Well, I think this is a this is a fascinating point because um many of our listeners may have seen this, but when when the Twin Towers were were, you know, um I'm sure everyone listening knows it's not the official story, but but collapsed. Um the there was um uh in all the smoke billowing out, there was captured these demonic faces. And it's it's not just your mind making, it was very, very real. And you know, there's if you look into it, there's a lot of symbology with the Twin Towers and the Mason Masonic and all kinds of things, and certainly it was a sacrifice, and certainly the world changed, and we went from you know, innocent until proven guilty, to basically you're guilty, prove you're innocent, and that's why you know airport travel has changed and is so horrible. Now, you're basically in every situation, uh stopped in London, you're assumed to be guilty, prove your prove your innocent. What have you got to hide? It it shifted deliberately, and so that vibration for a very long time shifted, and and I'm sure you're right, allowed a lot more evil to come in. But here's the interesting thing because you know, this is one of the things I learned from you know um uh one of our equal mentors, the great Edward Bach or Batch, depending on how you want to understand that. And that was go ahead. Well, your your mic's off, darling, so you're going to have to turn it on if I'm gonna need to Bach. Bach. Oh you've got to go.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, he was Welsh origin, you know that.
SPEAKER_00I didn't know that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, isn't he? That's another Welsh one you like, isn't it?
SPEAKER_00That's three Welsh. Oh no, god, I've got a couple of Welsh women in the members that I like, and I don't want to tell them. So it's growing, right? The Welsh Revolution.
SPEAKER_01But anyway, well you they'll welcome you into the taffia soon.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, okay, right. They they did send me a Welsh hug, this Welsh word. I can't remember what it is now.
SPEAKER_01That's the that's the secret side. That's the secret thing. Is it? I'm in. Yeah, you'll be in. You'll be in. I'm in.
SPEAKER_00Oh, honorable. Okay, he's in the taffia. Oh, Jesus. Oh he's uh anyway. I've got to remember though that if I ever am in a pub, Welsh pub with you, that I don't say I need a leak, because uh probably you'll give me one.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Anyway, back to seriousness.
SPEAKER_01Um with watching the you might you might get a daffodil somewhere if you do that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, well, they scare me. I tell you why the Welsh scare me, and we shouldn't, we shouldn't go off on tangents because I know no one enjoys our tangents. But the reason why I am traumatized around the Welsh is I played school boy rugby, which I loved, and I was a flanker. Other people spelt that quite differently in my in reference to my name. But um we went on a Welsh tour, school boy rugby. Oh my god, you're dirty, man. Animals. Animals. You know, there was one point in a ruck, I think it was, and I screamed to this guy, that's the wrong ball. Right? You know, that they were going after. And, you know, they were just the dirtiest bastards I'd ever played. Hard. Uh hard as you know.
SPEAKER_01You know what was happening there, don't you? Centuries of of dis you know of unrest between English and Welsh. Historic, historic wounds were coming out in that ruck.
SPEAKER_00Well, they may have been, but they were directed towards my testicles, which I didn't particularly appreciate. But anyway, so it's traumatized me ever since, and I'm rebuilding my relationship with with Welsh men, let's put it that way. But you know, back to the subject at task, and back to Ireland as an example of um un and I think this is really good what's come up because we never
Laughing At Power And Spiritual Resilience
SPEAKER_00know. We're we're basically talking about unnatural, premeditated, organized pressure, right, that that demands resilience that people are not educated or um have been prepared to endure versus natural hardship, you know, weather disasters, whatever it is, right? So when I look at the Welsh and I was looking at how pe peaceful those those very strong men and and many women as well were doing, and back to the Edward Bach, you know, um reference, what they can do, because you talk about vibration, if and the resilience is all this negative energy started to come into the protesters as the violence or the threat of violence started to escalate. Now, I'm not saying that violence shouldn't be met with violence because historically it has been, and it's not necessarily a bad thing. I'm not promoting it, but I understand it, right? But the far more powerful is collectively, if they laughed at these people, just absolutely ridiculed and laughed at them, as opposed to they tried to reach these men. Then maybe they did reach many of these men on the other side, preparing to be violent or forceful to them. But maybe they did. Mostly I heard was you should be ashamed of yourself, and it was all scum and that sort of, you know, minor strike, shame, and all that sort of stuff. But I feel if they could have collectively, even sun, I've heard singing, you know, but but laugh, I'm not saying the violence wouldn't have come, I'm not the naive, but the laughing at them, the ridicule, that kind of spirit is in and of itself from the Edward Barth philosophy, the antithesis to the hate and the and the uh energy that is building of conflict. What what say you? Because you're more of the Bach expert than I.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that that's more of not, you know, that's the not taking the bait, isn't it? It's like when somebody throws you that hook and you take the bait and then you're in it, and then you wonder why you you spiral down into negative behavior, which we all do, right? It's so easy to do. Um, I wonder what we're talking about is is there is there a spiritual resilience being built here where people are being forced to really pull upon something much greater than just the the basic human existence that we have down here? Is there a spiritual resilience towards evil, right? Are people recognizing it more, calling it out, and just saying, you know what, I recognize that now? Yeah right, and I think that one of one of the things that um has happened in the world is that people think that doesn't exist as an energy. It does. Now you might call it by that word, or you might call it involuntary energy. Energy or energies that don't want to evolve in any way. But it's still there. And I think people are becoming more aware to it, more resilient to it, and calling it out more.
SPEAKER_00Well, the greatest trick the devil ever played was to convince people he didn't exist from a famous movie, uh, The Usual Suspect. So what I mean by that is, you know, and this is why science is the new religion or the new cult, you know, um, is is you know, they mock that there's no, you know, show me the study that evil exists, or show me the study that the other side, you know, you can't. So it's kind of been watered down. And I think you've I think you've hit it absolutely the nail on the head is this artificial, you know, um planned um pressure that has been on people's lives.
SPEAKER_01I've got I've got I've got to I I I think keep that thought. When you said you've got to hit an you know, you've hit the nail on the head. Yes. I remember my dad just came into my mind. And the way he judged was somebody was practical or not, right? Yes. He'd say, ah, he couldn't hit a nail in a piece of wood. Rubbish, you know?
SPEAKER_00Well, you know, he'd he'd be on the right track, right? He would be, yeah.
SPEAKER_01But but it just made me think of it, you know, a very simple thing of like we how we judge things. How do we how do we judge somebody to be able to behave in a certain way or not? Now I know I'm going off on a slight tangent, but there must be there must be a reason why I'm thinking like this.
SPEAKER_00Because first of all, let's welcome your father back into the podcast because he's very well.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and he uh I mean he used he used to you know say, you know, um it's important. I remember he used to however much I liked it and disliked it sometimes. You say, look, you need to come with me, learn these things, because it's important to be able to hit a nail in a piece of wood, right? To be able to be able to do some of your own um you know, DIY to look after yourself in such a way, and in a way, I suppose that built resilience to to certain things, so you could do things, right? But I I think that um what you're talking about, and we're talking about spiritual resilience. Um I wonder I wonder how much um um that idea of building resilience to you know negative influence, how how important that is as a message to pass on to the next one.
SPEAKER_00I think it's I think it's how to diffuse its power or its energy, or you know, we talk about everything is coming into you. And how do you process that? If you remember, I'm sure I did on one of the podcasts, rather than one of our conversations, I had the privilege of having a conversation. Actually, it was with Graham Atkinson, he set it up. Um the great and late Graham Atkinson, um, with this Australian cricketer that became a psychologist that worked with the Aboriginal elders, I think you you you recall, and is you know, there's proper mental illness in the Aboriginal and Mari because of the changes that have happened so quick, and they've they've they particularly don't do well with drugs and alcohol, and so there's real proper mental health. And he went and sat with the elders and said, How do we how do we fix this? You know, and me from the Western sort of view, and you, the proper elders that were still out there in the bush. And they came up with, you know, we first of all, and this is the point I want to make only, because I've told this story before, they cannot go into the fake world and and get a diagnosis. So what they meant by that is, and this is how we kind of started, th this nonsense, you know, taxes, borders, you know, accounting, you know, AI, it's not real. Right? It's not real in the sense of how we're discussing it. And the Aboriginals knew that. And so they didn't want them to go into what they call the fake world, get a label, which is a spell, take that in, and then they wanted them to come out of that into the real world, bare feet, and go walk about. And on the third day, these very, very mentally ill people would start to be able to have human conversations, not cured. And so, you know, what we're talking this is why I think you've hit the nail on the head, and why, you know, Papa Bear has come into it from the spirit world, because you know, what he is what he's bringing, and I know I know in the real world he had his challenges, so did my father, but in the spirit world it's different, right? What he's bringing is if a man could hit a nail into a piece of wood, he's probably been raised right. He's probably a a man is meant to be practical a hunter, a gatherer, a warrior, a protector, a provider. These are not misogynists, if that's even the right word, terms. You know, these are how we were, these are human design. And, you know, when you speak to, as I've done many times, farmers, labor, you know, there's a reason, Gatruth, that most of the people that quote unquote woke up, conspiracy theorists, were not intellectuals in the sense of academia. They were your ordinary bloke because they were fortunate not to be educated and they saw through the bullshit more quickly, and they were able to reason. These were the, and let's face it, right? If AI goes down and the internet goes down and and electricity ever goes down, or anything like that ever catastrophically goes down, you ain't gonna be reaching for your accountant, you ain't gonna be reaching for your web designer, you're gonna be reaching for a plumber, a farmer, a carpenter, a mechanic. This is real. This is what we need. And so the resilience that I'm gonna hand back to you, the resilience, the spiritual resilience, which I think you so wisely brought forth, is that we are so awakening now that we understand that this energy that's coming from wherever it's sourced, it's not of the good. It's coming through systems that were created not for good, and through people that have unknowingly or knowingly joined to that energy. And so their resilience in Ireland, because I'm still following these people, is you have already lost, right? By showing force against the people. We saw you, the world saw you, who was watching, that this is not of the people, for the people, by the people, this is evil, this is not um anything other than the opposite of benevolent. And so spiritually, their resilience has grown. Their wounds are still open, you know, they're suffering, they can still, I mean, a a major building company in um Dublin has gone bankrupt that's been employing people for decades, right? You know, the reality of failure, but I see it from the spiritual resilience as these systems have to break for the wealth transference to come to be allowed to come back in, and there will be wealth transfer. We're in the middle of it, I believe. And so, you know, take that, you know, because if a war, which is manipulated came or or a or a weather disaster, people instinctually come together. Yeah, there's a few rioters and shit like that that goes on, but they instinctually come together, and I'll finish here before I hand back to you. When I was in my twenties, I just qualified, and I was in Isha, and I had my clinic on the third floor in this beautiful flat overlooking uh uh countryside and river. Down on the ground floor um were these two lovely old people that enjoyed gin and tonics as much as I did at the time, and so we became great friends, and probably every night we were down there having gin and tonics and talking to them. Roddy and oh god, I forget her name. But anyway, lovely, lovely people, genuine, you know, old school English people. This is like what, 30 years ago. And one day, the lady whose name I can't remember, sadly, she said to me, you know what we need? All right, there was a few gin and tonics, you know, lubricating the vocal, but she said, Do you know what we need? She said, We need another great war. And I looked at her and I said, What on earth do you what do you mean? At that time of my understanding. And she said, Well, we lived through World War II, and everybody came together. The community spirit was amazing, even the black market was amazing, right? But everyone came together. And so, what she's really talking about is not death and war and fighting and losing people and trauma and what she's talking about was it brought people together. I think that's what we're going through. The spiritual war, the world is coming together. They call it waking up, but it's a beautiful thing, and so I think resilience, and I will hand back to you now, is identifying the source and intent of the energy that is coming into you, and then you are more able to diffuse it, change it uh until it strengthens you and the actions of what you should or shouldn't take. What say you, wise
Community Solidarity Practical Skills Closing
SPEAKER_00man?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's a trust, it's a trust thing that things are changing for the better, and there's a light coming in that is wants things to vibrate on a much higher frequency. I I you you you just hit on something as well of uh the Great War. It took took me back to um the miner strike, you know. Yeah. And I I've got to say it where I grew up in in Māori in in the Rhonda Valley, that was the only place in the UK where the miners stayed up for the whole strike.
SPEAKER_00So for our American listeners, you know, could just give a little bit of context of what the in English people they go, oh my god, the miner strike.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, the miner strike was when the the the mining industry in the UK was being privatized, right? And shut down. And there was a revolt against it.
SPEAKER_00Because whole communities survived on the evening, right?
SPEAKER_01The cult. Yeah, they were based on on mining, right? And it had there had been since you know the the you know late 1800s and early 1900s. And so what happened was when they tried to privatize and shut down uh the industry, people went on strike, miners went on strike, but throughout the strike they put pressure on people financially. So some people went back to work, and some might went back to work. But where I grew up, that was the only place that stayed out for the whole strike. Every single person stayed out, no person went back to work, which split communities, right? Yeah, some people went back to work, some people didn't in communities. Those who went back to work were called scabs, yeah, right? But in the community I grew up, no one went back to it, everyone stayed out, and I that was just a solidarity thing between people, and everyone helped each other. Now, I was you know in my early teens at the time, I loved it, yeah, right? I loved that time because it people were being pulled together, yeah, they were helping each other. There were things, you know, little events going on to help uh families of minors. I didn't really understand uh the the um uh the political side of things, right? But to see my community pulled together in in a resilient action, there was an energy to it, right? There was a real energy to it of you know, we we should be doing this more naturally. Why does it take uh a crisis to bring that out in people, you know?
SPEAKER_00My my father's best friend was a Bobby, which is an English policeman, what they used to be called Bobbies on the on the you know, on PC plot, on the B. In fact, he wasn't the brightest, you know, of chaps, and he tried to go into CID, um, but went to his first murder case and there was blood everywhere, and saw a for sale sign uh on the house and actually asked the owner if they'd lower the price, you know, and and so his CID career ended very quickly. He went back to being PC plod. And he was he was he was this is to do with the minor strike, he was a character because he liked to drink, and my mother rescued him several times from crashing when he crashed his um what they call panda car from from drink driving, you know, and he was he was um large in life and perhaps a little bit too touchy with his hands and women and a few beers, so you know let's go no further than that. But he was on the minor, he loved the minor strike because he was one of the policemen that got sent up, you know, and got paid lots and lots and lots of money for months and months and months. So he he loved it conversely, he wanted it to keep going. But if if anyone listening wants to get a real sense of of how um real that was for the communities, there's a movie called Brassed Off. And I hope Gar has seen it. But brassed off, and it's to do with a lot of these choleras, which are the name for coal mines, had brass bands, and it was my my father and PC Plod's favourite thing was brassed bands, right? And I can understand it. But if you want to get a sense of a the community, I think, and the the wonderful brass music that they played, and the struggles and stresses, then then go watch brass off. It's it's a masterpiece.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it is beautiful. Well, I mean, it's um so well done. Um it's interesting that you know, I I talking about you know hitting a nail in a piece of wood. You know, I I've got uh I'm I'm updating you on my beekeeping experience, by the way.
SPEAKER_00Yes, I've seen I'm very excited.
SPEAKER_01I'm building my beekeeping resilience, okay? Yes, um uh so I'm I'm off to do a practical session this evening. But what I've done over the last few days, I've built a stand for my hive, right? So I you know, I I went out and found uh a couple of pallets, asked if I could take them off a skip. I thought I'm gonna do this. You're so Welsh. Yeah, I'm gonna do this really, I'm gonna go for it, you know. And I and uh so I chucked them in the back of the car, they fitted perfectly, brought them home, deconstructed skip. And I thought, right, how am I gonna make this? So I made a little drawing. And my dad used to do that, he'd make a little drawing, and I thought I'd get that's right. So all those things that you take on, yeah, important skin, they're still in there, you know? And I made this stand and I and I really enjoyed it. Yeah. Okay, fine, I'm a practical person with my hands in dentistry, but it's different, yeah. There's a different set. And I and I and I just when I finished the the stand and I put it on there, I thought, uh I checked it out whether it was level and it was, you know, it was pretty good. And I just thought those skills which I thought weren't important are still there, you know, and I think that that's another another point in relation to resilience. You can learn resilience on your own, but you do need people to support you.
SPEAKER_00Well, that that leads me, I think. I actually think this conversation needs to go on next week as well. I think there's far more to say. But this leads me, I know how to close, you know, this this episode of Dr. Yeah, you are more.
SPEAKER_01You're always closing something.
SPEAKER_00I am, but I I really do know how to close this after what you just shared. And, you know, in all the seriousness that I think we have, you know, hit the nail on the head, that it's recognizing natural, unnatural. Uh it's all pressure, it's all real, but but money is just energy. Everything is just energy, but it's recognizing the source or the or the potential source and recognizing it's come into your body, um, and and and processing that, which the organs and your body can do, and releasing it into something, you know, um that resonates with what this realm is supposed to be, which is creative and loving. And I'm not saying that there shouldn't be, you know, some resistance, that's for the individual to determine, but ultimately it has to be creative, loving, and built, you know, on foundations of common sense righteousness, and this is how I'm gonna close, inspired by you. Right? So with that sort of technique, philosophy, and understanding, with whatever pressures you are currently under, like Gareth, it might be time for you to make a stand. Thanks for listening.
