Resilience Under Pressure

Some days it feels like the world is turning up the volume on everything: prices, pressure, conflict, bad health, and that constant hum of worry you cannot quite switch off. We sit with that reality and talk about resilience as something lived, not preached and why people can understand the “bigger picture” and still feel flattened by the day-to-day punches.

We explore a few lenses that help us stay steady: the idea that everything is vibration and cycles, the “cleanse heal cycle” metaphor for why healing can look messy before it looks better, and the hard truth that doomscrolling every rabbit hole can drain the last of your energy. Then we bring it back to what works in real life: small repeatable steps, nervous system care, getting outside, finding something that gives you genuine joy, and noticing when coping turns into numbing through food, sugar, alcohol, or other escapes.

A big turning point is connection. We talk about how isolation makes dark thoughts louder, how modern screen culture can erode simple conversation, and why reaching out, even with one vulnerable text, can be the candle that changes everything. We also share the “be the tree” image: stay rooted, stay strong, and stay flexible enough to bend in the storm without breaking.

If this hits home, listen through, share it with someone who needs a little light, and subscribe so you do not miss what we publish next. And if you can, leave a review and tell us: what is your most reliable resilience habit when life gets hard?

Transcript

Welcome Back And Comic Opener

SPEAKER_01 1:22

Well, welcome back to Doctors No More podcast, and as we've said, we're no longer announcing which episode we're in, because we're doing things out of sync and out of time, and sometimes we're doing um content that is topical.

SPEAKER_00 1:38

Yeah, but you do you know as well as I do, as Gandalf used to say, it happens perfectly in the right time. Well, if Gandalf said it.

SPEAKER_01 1:48

Yeah, exactly. Honestly, I i if Yoda said it, I'd pay attention. Gandalf, I'm like, what?

SPEAKER_00 1:55

Yeah, different level. Gandalf's a different level. If he says, Okay. You know, yo Yoda's the wise one, but Gandalf. Yeah, they probably know each other on some level, I imagine. Yeah. What if you cross them both? Gandalf and Yoda, what'd you get? Is this like a joke? No, I'm just wondering. Gandalf. What do you get if you cross a Gandalf with a Yoda?

SPEAKER_01 2:22

A Goda. No. A Goda. Agoda. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:26

That sounds like some, you know, and then if you and if you had a number of them, number of Godas, you could say, look, come and have a look at these. Um, we'll go from one to one, from pagoda to pagoda.

SPEAKER_01 2:40

That's really oh, I got a pagoda. No, mate, goddamn, Swiss cheese, wise.

SPEAKER_00 2:47

Yeah. From the plan. See, this is that's a dad job coming out with me. That's terrible, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 2:53

They have. And you know, back to trying to be professional, and I'm professionally professional, professionally unprofessional. Um, as I was saying before I was rudely interrupted by spontaneous spontaneous humour, which I enjoy immensely. This is supposed to be, as I said, we're doing you know, topical stuff as well, so sometimes we do things out of sync with how we are pre-recorded. But this we've decided, because we nearly forgot, which is also like us, part two of Resilience Um podcast, because you know, it's pretty tough out there, Gary, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 3:30

Yeah, we were gonna do it last week, but I think we we we I snuck in a different episode, um, which is I think it's one back from the days when we numbered them as well. So um what was it, Uranus? Yeah, I can't I can't do it. It's it's the joke it keeps giving, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 3:50

Uh it just I don't believe I'll ever be able to hold a straight face when anybody talks about Uranus. I know why should you? You know, and for the record, um I'm not talking about Garus Uranus. It just leads you straight down this road. You know, but we were we were seriously doing more about the sun and the planets and their actually before we go into resilience, yeah. I was I I had sort of impassioned um rant, uh stoke pep talk in one of it when in our last QA. I think you were there. Or was it no, it was in a in my group consultation. I've got two group consultations going on at the moment, they're fantastic, six people in each. They're really honestly the most powerful work I think I've done. But you know, again to do with resilience.

Resilience Part Two And Battle Fatigue

SPEAKER_01 4:44

People were pretty pretty battle fatigued, I would say, right? And um what I brought into the conversation was, and you know, they were finding it hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel. They were worried about migrants, which is very much, I think, uh, in most people's social media and the media. They were worried about money because, you know, wherever you are in the world, gas or petrol has, you know, nearly doubled or whatever it is. And you know, I was in the supermarket the other day, and some items of food had doubled in price. You know, it's it's real, it's hard, it's uh meant to be by their design worrisome, excuse me. And um, you know, people were one woman particularly was was just couldn't lift herself, you know, out of the trough of of despair, shall we say. And I went into this rant inspired by Uranus, Gareth. And you know, I went into this rant You're welcome. That's okay. You know, um, and not many people can say that, right? That I've been inspired by Uranus, but I have. Anyway, I went into this rant. That's where the say comes from, isn't it? He's talking out of his arse. That's it. Anyway, I went into this rant, um, uh more pet what I call a pet talk rant, you know, and it just free flows and it seems to work. Sorry, I had a coffee right before I came on. I know I shouldn't, it makes me cough. Anyway, um, and it was you know, again, the astrology wins

Stars Sound And A Pep Talk

SPEAKER_01 6:20

the day. No, we can't fight astrology, and astrology has always predicted every downfall of every empire, including this one, and I call this one the empire of lies. And so what we're witnessing is the death of um all that that is untrue. Let's put it that way, right? So, so most people think we're in terrible times, we're not, we're just seeing it. It's the great the more light, that sort of thing. We're seeing it and we're seeing how bad it was, and that gives us the opportunity to you know fix it and remove it and and build something going forward in whatever time frame the universe and I universe has decided. And I went on to speak about the stars, which are fascinating, in a very sort of pep talk way. And I said, you know, um if you there was a lecture, and it's not the ones that are out there, and this is what Google and YouTube do. If you if you Google I I can't find this lecture for the life of me, even using Yandex, the Russian search engine, which is usually how you find old stuff that has been removed, and you you know, some really, really good stuff is 10-15 years ago that Google would let you find, but you can't find it now. Anyway, it was a lecture on the sound of stars, and as always, you know, there and actually when you it's very fascinating. Pretty much everything you've seen of planets and stars, to the best of my knowledge, is nonsense. And if you go onto YouTube, do it today, or it might be on Rumble and Odyssey now, but I I did find some good stuff on YouTube still, and you go and if you put in something like Planets or Stars P900, which is the I think there's a P1000 now, but the P900 used to be the most powerful lens you could attach to a camera, and so there, and I think there's a P thousand now, but it's it's huge zoom, and these people have zoomed in on the planets, which used to be called wandering stars, right? And what they what they video is amazing, they're nothing like nothing like we're shown on the tele live vision, and they're all uh the best way I could describe them is they're more plasma, liquid, vibrating, moving light, right? And it's just fascinating to watch, right? And um, as I say, completely different to what you've been told. But the point that I'm getting to for this, you know, in this sort of pep talk that I was having, was this lecture was they emit sound. And this chap had recorded them, and again, it was harmonic, it was almost choir-like, actually, from memory. And I brought this into the you know, the pep talk that that you know is it Genesis? You know, in the beginning there was the word, before light there was sound, right? And so, and even like you shared me even light has sound and vibration and harmonics, and that's how the universe, whatever that really is, is everything everything physical has a vibration and a sound, and it needs to be a harmonic. Anyway, you know, and I said the astrology really is the sound that's coming in is affecting everything, and therefore it must change. That was the premise of it, right? And then I went and looked it up, and of course, it's all TED talks, you know, and they're playing back the sound of the sun, and it's like you know, it's it's just horrid and you know, as you'd expect it to be nothing like the reality of the things, just like the planets do not uh look anything like um what I've seen them to look like, and anyway, the point was I think if I've excuse me, I must get drink some water off this. You know, the the point was, right, back to resilience, okay?

Cleanse Heal Cycles And Humanity

SPEAKER_01 10:22

And then I think we're gonna have to, you know, morph in flexibility because the reason these people were down, uh, particularly one person, was not that they didn't know what I was saying was correct still, right? In their heart of hearts, they knew it. But their resilience to a combination of let's call them punches and worries and personal seeing other people suffering, a lot of people suffering out there, a lot of bad health because of pokey pokes, right? You know, a lot of a lot of suffering out there and worry, you know. It's not that they didn't know it, but they couldn't find the flexibility, energy, or gump to to see, you know, it coming right. And I think that's what I want to lead into, because I think we don't have really any choice but to roll with the punches until you know it's that they aren't the punch. And it's uh that's what I think I want to say. It feels like punches, but for me, I describe it as when someone very, very sick is healing and they go through these cleanse heal cycles. So when they're cleansing, I've seen horrific things come out of people when they're cleansing. And and if you didn't know what you knew, you know, you turn them down to the hospital and go, oh my god, this is awful. You know, this what's going on with you and what you're feeling, and you know what's coming out of you, and blah, blah, blah. But that would be a mistake most times because it would stop it. If you manage it through and help at out, including emotions that come with it, there's usually dramatically improvement once this gunk works its way out of their body, whether it be an orifice or a or a pore or whatever it is, right? And it's the cleanse heal cycles that we've been taught for centuries. I think that's what humanity is in from a macrocosm view, right? To heal, we have to go through, sadly, or or not as the case may be, this pain, this worry, this trial, uh, whatever it is to you, to come out the other end because it's a necessary purge. Does that does that sit with you?

SPEAKER_00 12:42

Yeah, I mean, I what you've referred to there is very old um you know uh wisdom uh which which is a natural law that all is vibration. You know, depend depending on what you look at in the universe, where you go, whether it's from an earth plane or uh beyond this plane, all is vibration, and I that means physical. The physical world is a vibration. Um the non-physical world is a vibration, sounds vibration, light is vibration, and they're all part of a of a huge spectrum of vibration. I mean, if you look deeply into the physical reality, we we get so fixated on the physical as being actually you know something that's permanent and and real. But my take on it is that it's a state of vibration that's relatively physical to the non-physical world, and is a lot more plastic or um malleable than we realise. Okay, you have a certain um uh certain vibration that you're born into physically, and that gets shaped through your experiences, through your ancestral line, through the society you live in, but all is vibration. So when you talk about planets, you might see what appears physical or non-physical or even light, but beyond that is an is a non-visible energy that is much deeper. And I think what happens is that when people start to work on themselves, whether it be through changing patterns of eating or emotional patterns or mental patterns, they start to inadvertently tune into higher energies. And when you tune into higher energies, more of what is blocking you can tend to come up, and people can get stuck in it. And it's finding ways how to look at that difficulty and ways of moving beyond it and building resilience, or you know, just saying to yourself, nothing is permanent, change is always the most constant thing you can guarantee that things will change. So when you're in a difficult place, if you can build that resilience and say this, it won't last forever, I will come out of this. As much as you know, you don't get if you're like me, you don't get joy that lasts forever, it gets interrupted. So as long as you can see the ebb and flow and cyclical nature of something, it gives you resilience to to move on from it.

Bringing Big Ideas Into Real Life

SPEAKER_01 15:42

But we're look, I'm gonna be not so much devil's advocate, but go on devil's advocate. Okay, I will. You know, we we're not Buddhist monks on the top of you know the Nepalese mountains, you know, in in in nature and removed from all the noise other than you know, hitting bells and meditating and and chanting, okay? And I read a story, um, which I believe is true, of a monk that went into a cave and stayed there for perhaps decades, but certainly years, trying to imprint to address this non-physical world. And years, that's all he did, right? God knows how he fed. I guess he must have gone out and whatever, hunted or something or whatever. But uh, or maybe he didn't. But anyway, he he he did manage to leave an imprint about a half inch or something into the rock after 10, 15, 20 years or whatever it is, right? That's as far as he got, proving it's not physical. However, that's a devout monk with incredible mind, um, focus and discipline to make a half-inch indentation of his hand into rock to prove it's not solid. That's extreme. How can the ordinary human being in a world where they probably need to get money, which doesn't exist, it's a it's a concept, right? Money doesn't literally doesn't grow on trees, it's a belief system. And maybe we'll talk about money separately to qualify all that. But nonetheless, they need this imaginary thing called money, so that they can go out and buy stuff to survive and pay their rent or pay their mortgage and blah, blah, blah, and all all the all the trimmings of so-called the rat race and modern life. And then they're aware to differing degrees of the flux that the geopolitical world is in, and you know, they've heard terms like white hats and um uh um they've uh uh other I want to pick the right word, but the um globalists I use that word, I didn't know which word to pick, but they're they're aware to whatever degree that the world is in flux and changing and it's not as they were told, and on and on and on I could go, right? But they're not that Buddhist monk, and so when you talk about the non-physical and everything emanates from energy, and this is what Louise Hay was mostly about, you know, everything starts with a thought, and a thought is a vibration. How on earth, you know, under these circumstances that are so constant pressure, you know, and real. In in one would argue they're real. I mean, there's an argument out there in a matrix, and they might be right. And maybe the matrix is just another attempt to describe the non-physical, physical illusion. But whatever. With all these real pressures to perform, to provide, to survive, and on and on, how do we weave the wisdom into that stressful space of the non-physical, you know, harmonic astrology, your thoughts matter, fabric?

SPEAKER_00 19:23

Yeah, I

Small Steps Joy And Relearning

SPEAKER_00 19:24

think to be honest with you, you have to use what works for you. There's no point in reading a concept and trying to carry it out if it's not you. So people have to come from a very practical um what works for me, what experiences have I had. So for example, um, you know, I I in in teaching groups when I teach, people will try and um intellectualize an idea, a spiritual concept, and they say, Well, it doesn't this doesn't work. You say, Look, what have you experienced in life? What have you gone through yourself, and what do you find works for you? How can you use your own knowledge rather than someone else's to create something better for yourself? So let's take an example someone who's going through some healing um crisis or a difficulty, and what happens, they start to awaken something within themselves, and they start to question not just themselves but what's mirrored out in the world. And you know what? You know as well as I do, you go down every rabbit hole that you possibly can, you're gonna end up in in misery. Yeah, you are I'm not saying it isn't necessary. I've been there, you've done you've been there, we've done it, and I'm not saying we should have a t-shirt, but it's that sort of thing, and sometimes you have to do that to a certain degree to say, well, okay, things aren't like the way I thought they were, but what do I do for myself? How do I empower myself, right? And I'm not talking that you know everyone should get into meditation, everyone should get into energy. Do what you feel resonates for you, and I think that what happens with people many times when they they get into self-feeling crisis mode, um, and we've mentioned this before, you get into that victim mentality, then you don't do anything for yourself, you're stuck in it, and it's making those small steps of saying, you know what, I'm gonna shut the the the world out for now, and I'm gonna just break things down to simple things that I need to do daily for myself, you know. Because if you allow it, you get caught up in you know the collective of you know, everything is bad, everything is you know controlled, everything is in conspiracy, every You that doesn't end. Learn the lesson. Say, yeah, okay, the world's not the way I I thought it was. There's people obviously manipulating other people purposefully and consciously. But don't be that person that's that's getting caught up in it. How do you create something that's makes your life better? And we're talking about simple things like what makes me laugh, what gives me some joy? How can I find something that that feeds me, right? And we've talked about this before. I the reason why we we started a bit late today was you know, I had to drop my bees off, right? I'm starting to be beekeeping. And I'll be honest with you, I'm I'm now in a position where um I'm I don't really I can read everything I want to about it and watch you know videos and all, but I'm in the beginner's place, yeah, and I'm surrounded by people who know more, so I have to say to myself, you know what, drop what you think you are and relearn something. However much you think you know about something, drop it, relearn something, and see what it takes you. And I think that when people get stuck like that, in and we've been there, I've been in my self-feeling journey when you know I've I I couldn't work for a year, it was so difficult. Yeah, but I you know I had to find out why it wasn't the work I was doing, it was what was in me. So I made simple steps to look at how I deal with stress, right? And eat better, do some exercise, go out into nature. And we keep mentioning these things, but you know what happens is people get stuck and they don't want to help themselves because they've not helped themselves for so long, and what I mean by that is they've allowed themselves to be disempowered by those people who take power, they get used to it, and then because they haven't learned how to empower themselves, that they have to start

Coping Traps With Food And Alcohol

SPEAKER_00 24:09

again. It's like a a child walking.

SPEAKER_01 24:11

But you have to I see things uh a little differently is is from from how you just described it, is not that they um stop helping themselves, so to speak. They usually in in in I'm not saying everybody, but I think it's more often than not, yeah, start self-medicating. They they find um whatever drug works, and sometimes it is drugs, and sometimes it is frequently it is alcohol, but it's usually something that is uh described as a drug that that suppresses and is not beneficial. And that's where I usually find people, certainly my members, my clients, group consultations, you know, they've they've fallen into one food is is self, you know, and when I say food, it's normally feed, you know, carbohydrate, sugar. It's it's the it's suppressing uncomfortable feelings. And you know, I want to remind people we were never supposed, were so far off course of how we were designed to be, and and the um emotional body, nervous state system that we were supposed to be in most of the time was rest and digest, and the the fight or flight, which most people are in constantly, I would suggest, which then affects their physical physiology, and uh and and and and this is where I say I this is why I get the carnivores as clients, you know, because carnivore even carnivore isn't working for them, and normally it's for these other reasons that we've discussed. But anyway, um people get into these self they might not realize they're self-destructive, but they're certainly um self-suppressive, right? So they're trying to rather than getting back, you see, the whole protocol that I've written is really as I see it the natural laws laid down for man. And a lot of that, and it's my catchphrase, is get your ass outside. Now, even uh you know, even walking through the city can you can get degrees of it, but I actually do not like walking through the city. Yeah, but meaning nature.

SPEAKER_00 26:28

I would I would I would argue that you know I I this is the way I think that let's say you you hide yourself away for the fear of conflict with others. That's sometimes what people do. I think it's better to go out and have conflict than none at all, right? So that at least you're interacting and and something is going on to mirror something inside you to make you feel alive in some way, right? So it I think going out into the world expecting it to be non-confrontational, easy, um you know, and I know there's lots of people in what I would call the the new age or spiritual movement who th who think that the world is like that, right? And it's not it's not like that, it's hard, it's difficult, it's challenging. And I think that's where the resilience comes in, is you realize, you know what, it is hard and challenging, and I expect it to be that to a certain degree, but I'm gonna take steps to make sure that I interact in some way with either nature or something that's that's feeding you something, you know. It's feed it's not just feeding it's interesting, it's not just feeding you with food, but you're feeding yourself different thoughts and emotions that are towards building a different part of your mind as such, or your different emotions.

Spiritual Values Beyond Religion And Dogma

SPEAKER_00 28:02

And I I'd argue that we're moving into a place for humanity that everyone has to have some form of spiritual awareness, right? Now, when I say that I don't mean religious, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:18

Do expand on that because I still don't like the word spiritual for some reason.

SPEAKER_00 28:21

Yeah, so if if I if I if I think of people who consider themselves to be um uh atheist, right, they don't believe in religion. But some of the people I know like that, they behave what I would term spiritually, they're they're kind, they're they're honest, they're truthful, and they behave in a way that I I would term uh is it's anchoring some higher vibrational thoughts that relate to the the spiritual realm, like compassion or love understanding. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:58

I think actually, can I jump in there?

SPEAKER_00 29:00

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:01

Because it wants I want to go off a tangent, I think. Because you surprise me. Yes. Um, I one day I hoped to surprise you. Today is the day. What is it, the 20th of May 2026? That's making it I'm gonna write that down. I surprised Gareth. Yeah. Um, and actually, I do probably want the t-shirt. I've been down every rabbit hole. Um, I think it's a t-shirt we should, we should, we should wear. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:24

Anyway. And you do you know what you can have on the back? No. So you have I've not been down every rabbit hole and on the back, and not Uranus.

SPEAKER_01 29:34

Oh, it's it's uh it's a viral t-shirt right there. And the Doctors No More podcast, right? We could be like the Looney Tunes, you know, uh with the bitches, you me and your face come up instead of the pig. Um, but anyway, I don't know where that tangent's taken.

SPEAKER_00 29:49

Sorry, I I've I've I've thrown you off now. Have I thrown you off?

SPEAKER_01 29:52

No, not at all. You know, you talk about spiritual, and I don't really like the word spiritual because it has, again, it presents connotations. And yet I find or have found that many people in a religion pick the the you know the religion that are they may not believe they're dogmatic in it, but they are dogmatic in it. And you know, this is the one and only religion, and they may be right, but they tend to believe their religion, their god, whatever it is, is right. I've seen them not behave spiritually, uh, with spiritual values. I've seen them behave with dogma, I've seen them behave constricted. You see, my my argument has always been the man upstairs, which I prefer to call him. So now I've offended about every woman on the It might be it might be a her. Well, God, no wonder we're in trouble, right? You know, we keep you know, um, and I don't mean that in that sense. But anyway, uh let's not get sidetracked. But the man upstairs gave us free will, intellect, you know, and to discern, you know. And I've never, and I certainly don't feel it should be a fearing. You hear this still all the time, especially in America, you know, fear, you need to fear the Lord, fear the God. No, I don't, I don't believe that for one moment. I don't believe this creator has given us all these amazing potential to walk around in fear, right? So I see a lot of people in religion, um, and I've helped, you know, people in different religions be this very dogmatic, and I would argue they're not actually um living their best life that the creator wanted, and equally, and actually more so, and they tend not to be my clients, um, I think. But I've seen a lot of people using religion as a shield to then do some very bad behavior. You know, recently I had a sudden flu in a detox, which is always great, and it fortunately it was only two days, and I did the right things and got it out, and I'm feeling great. But I decided to binge watch cult documentaries on Netflix, you know, obviously as an extreme, and I've just spent the whole time watching it with my head going backwards and forwards in a no-motion. Like, how do you get that you know, brainwashed into behaving in it is always leading to sex, right? Sex and power and sex, right? And it was horrid, absolutely horrid. But I realized while watching it, everybody to one degree or another is living in a cult, the cult of statism. Now, most people haven't heard the word statism, but this belief in the state and their authority and boundaries and laws, and that's a cult, right? Because if you don't obey it, the cult comes along and puts you in your place. That's that's the definition of a cult if you try and you know step away from it. So I realized we're all to differing degrees, whether we know it or not, in some sort of cult. And that's why I asked you, what is spiritual? Because you know, I believe you go from there.

SPEAKER_00 33:03

It's like any word, right? So if I say what is spiritual, whatever I've grown up with, my my conditioning, my take on it, I form an idea in my mind what it what that word means, right? And I can only draw upon m my take on it. Another person gets influenced, that's a word, they they they make something up about it in terms of how what they've experienced, what they've been told, and so people always will have a different idea of what that word means. If you want to ask the question, what is that beyond the intellectual level of understanding, you have real no words to describe it? Because when you move into those energies that are much higher than the intellect, which are truly spiritual, when you start to try and describe them, they lose energy, they lose meaning. But that that point is is very important because if you want to look at all religions, especially the the ones that have been you know foundationally around for a long time, they have common common themes, don't they? You know, love, forgiveness. And I I wonder what's you know, over the years what's happened is those individuals who came and taught you know, gave someone a path of development because it is such a difficult road on this this earth, their intentions might be very diff different to what's actually happened in their name. You know, and I wonder whether if those people came back and saw to a certain degree what was happening in many areas in their name, that you know, they wouldn't agree with it. I'm but that's just my opinion, you know.

SPEAKER_01 35:03

All right, so let's try and I could go off in several directions there, but let's try and get to the essence. Because ultimately, if we can't describe it in words, it has to be felt. Yeah. And I and I and I'll I'll I'll again, you know, still playing a devil's advocate role. I'm also watching, I'm absolutely fascinated. Yeah, some amazing podcasts out there that are interviewing hardened criminals. Yeah. It is extraordinary to listen to these men that are, you know, have done horrid, terrible things, and and they speak so frankly about it and the extreme violence. And I would guess many of them share very, very honest, that they were abused as children, and that sort of led them down the road. And I should imagine the ones that didn't admit it probably are in that area. I I couldn't say. But what I did see in almost all of them, and I'm not saying all of them, but uh as far as I can tell, was this righteousness. They tended to not see their extreme violence willy-nilly. It was against people that had wronged or wronged them, and they saw it as this, you know, violent righteousness. For instance, when they went in prison, you know, the the what they call the screws, the the you know, the prison wardens, would actually ask them to go and you know exert some of that violent justice on another prisoner that had done abhorrent crimes usually against children or women. And there was this whole different, if you like, law and spirituality of righteousness, a bit all boiled down their anger came from a sense of right and wrong, however, you might look at that as like weird, but it was. And so I think what has got so confused in this realm is if we're gonna defer back to harmonic energy and harmonics, which is the with the vibration, our body, our physical body, let's use that word because you're arguing there is no physical, but for us it's very physical. We feel pain, we feel fatigue, we feel stiffness, you know, so on so we feel hunger, right? But our body is designed by the man upstairs to feel, and I think that must be the the what I call your moral compass to navigate your day-to-day life is your gut feeling on things.

SPEAKER_00 37:47

Yeah, I didn't agree with that. It is it feeling is definitely a part of it. Um, it made me think about you talking about that. That if you want an example of something like an energy like that, that you can't really put a a word to, right? Yeah, you you take a newborn child, right? And when you see a a newborn baby, if you are somebody who is in touch with something that I would call is a a spiritual nature, it makes you smile, right? They have an energy around them that I would say they bring in from another realm, yeah, a higher higher energy from another realm, and they surrounded by that, you know. That's why it's so difficult, I think, and it's not a nice subject, when that energy gets corrupted. Yeah, that that that's why it's such a taboo.

SPEAKER_01 38:47

Yeah, because they're actually after that energy, I believe.

SPEAKER_00 38:50

Yeah, yeah. And that that that is is you know that that is something that will um when somebody does something to somebody does that, you you in a way say, well, they've crossed a line that should never be crossed. And you know, it's it's that thing of if cause and effect, you know. I I don't know what people's karma or cause and effect is, need neither's I mean, people out there say they do, but really you don't know because you live on a plane that's in the physical world, and you might be you'll be able to link to a non-physical plane, but you don't really know until you're in that place of of much greater knowing, which is a non-physical place, right?

SPEAKER_01 39:40

But if we take the on the sub- Sorry, have you finished on that? Yeah, go on. If we take those words and thoughts that you know, uh and certainly nature has plenty of evidence that it it that it is controlled by light and harmonics, and you know, we brought up the bird song and it opens the parts of the flowers that the bees can start coming in, and so so sound is um an integral part of this reality. And if the if we if the modern world didn't exist, it would be much quieter and much, much slower, right? And that is the natural harmonic resonance of a man, of a of a uh uh relations, relationships, and so on and so forth. So something has come in and disturbed all that. Think of it like humanity is a great orchestra, and now there are you know more than half the orchestra, let's just say that, that are playing out of tune, horribly, horribly out of tune. So the noise to those paying in tune is abhorrent and they need it to be corrected. Whereas those are who are playing out of tune seem to be, you know, uh okay with it. So I guess what I'm trying to lead to is for those people how I started this podcast today. For those people that right now those that are playing out of tune, it's affecting them, and they can't see how those people will come in to tune and and society move forward harmonically in the right direction, what is often called towards the light, the golden times. You

Flexibility And Finding Your People

SPEAKER_01 41:31

know, and actually, this is probably a great time to segue into flexibility, and the Chinese describe it as being a tree, you know, well rooted in this realm, and strong enough to stand up with your branches and leaves reaching up into the heavens and and on all that wisdom, but your trunk strong enough to stand the winds and storms, and flexible enough to bend in those winds, not too flexible that you just fold over, and not too rigid that you break. How would you with those kind of analogies and those people listening now that feel like harmonically it's just too challenging to see how we can get back into you know, yeah?

SPEAKER_00 42:20

I mean, I it's I if I if I you know when I talk about this side of um being in that place and trying to work your way out of it, it it's it's speaking from being it being in that place, and yeah, I think the thing that really helped me was finding people who are on a similar journey.

SPEAKER_01 42:42

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 42:43

So that it it not it sort of makes you feel that you're not alone. I think there are certain things which you can deal with on your own, and there's certain things that you need to um share with with others and experience together, and um that's that's one aspect is that find a group that you feel comfortable with, you know, and what doesn't work, just let it go if you can, but recognize that certain things have a a birth, a life, and then a death, and not in the physical sense, but aspects of your life they come to an end, and you need to move into something new, and be able to start allowing yourself to say it's okay, I'm gonna let this go and move into something new. And uh you know as well as I do, when you do things like that, there are people who think it's great, there's people who think it's terrible, yeah. Right, and it really people who truly have a love for you, as long as you're not damaging yourself. So if I said to you, Yeah, I've had enough of this healing stuff, Jeremy, I'm I'm I'm I'm getting back on the wagon of of of falling off and and getting into you know hard drugs, right? Yeah that's not a positive way, but as long as it's working towards something that's positive for you people who really love you will say, you know what, if that's your choice, it's great. Um because it's very hard, I think, when you're especially when you get into self-healing and your mind is changing. Um I I always say to to students that I teach, um well, they teach me as well. We all teach each other, right? And um it's like look if you if you let go of something you're moving into a different place vibrationally, so it makes sense that everything around you will change vibrationally. Now that's your friendships, your relationships, maybe your job, maybe so. If you're going to do the work, just beware that if you do start on a road of self-discovery, you will need to change in some way, which is difficult, it's hard to change if you've not got used to it. But over time, when you get used to the change in process, you start to trust in it a bit more.

SPEAKER_01 45:26

Yeah, I I mean I've a couple of things I'd like to say is you know, when me and the Human Unleashed team started the Convid podcasts or broadcasts in March 2020, and me and particularly Norbs were you know time-stamped as one of the first people to call out what it was and what it's probably going to be. And sadly, we were right, and I also called out that it's probably going to cause a lot of death and ill health, which it has, and we'll time will tell whether that's a positive as much as much as there's so much grief. What we discovered uh very quickly was people were writing to us, and that was probably the tip of the iceberg, of literally saying, Thank God, you're keeping me sane, and and even possibly from hurting themselves, or worse. Yeah. In uh when they it were in a time where it was incredibly dark and they absolutely could not see um how we were going to come out of this without a dystopian, you know, um state-controlled life, right? And we did. And that inspired me to start my membership, which is yeah, it's a bit of a plug, but I do have a point. Uh Jeremy, it's good. Well, I'm yeah, I'm going to because I'm proud of it. So I recognised that um not only to get people through this time or these times, I needed to teach them that they needed to hold light. And most people will come to me with a label disease or problem, and I can teach them within all of that, which I think I've done very well in the membership. But one of my main goals, which we've done, although I'm about to improve it in the next few months with certain technology, was we have a private forum within the membership, and people are connected, but within that we have what we call virtual coffee lounges, where at the moment it's twice a week, and my membership people are all over the world. Uh, twice a week they can come on. I'm not there, it's it's I have two or three you know extraordinary members that have stepped up to be you know like community mentors, I call them. And twice a week they jump on a Zoom and they just talk and you talk about all manner of things. And you know, some people just there to listen, some people, but but it's that's human connection. And so, you know, if you're out there listening, go join the membership and connect at least to those virtual coffee lounge because what Gareth is saying is critical because you know, as I see it, um right now, you know, um Gareth is 100% correct. If you can connect, which is the best way, in a human way to other people or animals, like like Gareth is choosing bees, you know, and and possibly the pub, but uh you know, which is uh you know what I uh I went to the pub the other day and I had a um a an elderflower press, non-alcoholic.

SPEAKER_00 48:36

Did you? And it was very nice indeed, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:39

Alright, well, go back, have two pints of toast and call me in the warning, right? Toast is his favourite IPA, but yeah, and of course, get you know, it with doing non-optimal things like a couple of pints, the question is always are you master or slave? And Gareth is most definitely the master, and I see it as a very positive thing. But the point is Yeah, he's finished that, and I've got an interesting thing. He's connecting with the bees, and other people are connecting, you know. One of the things I get people to do that are very uh dark in a very dark place is go and help somebody else. And and then I define it because it can be too much. They think, oh god, you're asking me to go and I haven't got enough energy. No, I'm talking about opening the door for someone in a supermarket or reaching something, or it could be just thank you, you know, to to someone who was particularly nice when when you were paying for something, um, or it could be walking someone's dog, or it could be going down a dog shelter and just spending whatever it is, right? It is the whole point is that you go and help somebody else because the energy shift. But also, these groups, if the best thing, this is why stand in the park during conviv was so powerful and wonderful, the best thing, of course, is face to face, potentially, right? However, because of technology, right, you know, and Gareth and I, I mean, although I'd love to be in our favourite pub face to face and then going for a Ruby Murray afterwards, which is a curry, you know, or a cheeky chinky, which I know I'm not allowed to say, and Natha's gonna kill me in Chinatown, right? But it was a cheek, cheeky chinky, right? And but you know, that's obviously the ideal. But this technology allows me and Gareth to continue having this amazing friendship that we have and this, you know, this kinship in in what we do. That's what the memberships and the groups are. Now, if it's not mine, there are others, of course. Mine's fantastic, but if it's not mine, there's others, and you do need, and I've seen it, Gareth, in the group. I've seen very dark, I'm gonna rephrase that, people in a very dark place, just I say just connect with the members and it lifts them and energetically alters them for the better.

SPEAKER_00 51:00

Yeah,

Human Connection In A Screen Age

SPEAKER_00 51:01

because they're human. It's human nature, it's human nature to be human, and being human means being social with other humans, yeah, and sharing, you know, not with the intent of gaining or it's just sharing, being having conversations. You know, uh when I'm when I'm at work, my my uh I don't like the the word patients, but the people who come to me for for dental work, right? I don't use the word I I have to have enough time to talk with them as well. Yes, you know, so I like to have you know stories about certain things and exchange things because it's human.

SPEAKER_02 51:39

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 51:40

And my part of of being, you know, um well, what was that story?

SPEAKER_01 51:45

The example in point last time you told me the chap that I think he was bringing in your dental things and you'd known him for ten years, and then he walked in with his dog or something. Am I remembering it right? I uh which well he walked in with a well I I might get it all wrong, but this chap that you'd known for a long time, I think he was delivering the dental moulds or something like that. And it turned out he was doing something that's the human bit.

SPEAKER_00 52:11

He supplied he supplied, you know, um the the practice with some of the materials we need. So it was all very business like, yeah. So I I developed a business relationship, which to me is non-human, a lot of it. It is, especially when you get into more corporate, yeah, big big business, the humanity starts to go out of it, and you know, because I've worked in corpor in corporate world. It's inauthentic. Well, it it just it's soulless, right? Yes, it's professional, and and so I built this this relationship on that, and then he retired, and then he walked in one day with a dog. That's it. I did remember it right. What is I he said, well, you know, I take these dogs into you know homes and hospitals. I don't know if they're allowed to anymore, but back then they were. He says they're they're therapy dogs, you know. And I thought, what I know I said, how long have you been doing that? Oh, last 15 years. Yeah, incredible. You know, so that that you don't and your relationship would have instantly changed. Yeah, absolutely, of course, yeah. You know, because then you start to see the reality of what you know, why you might like someone, not because they they deliver your stuff on time, it's a deeper connection. Yes, um, but it's like I I was chatting to someone um this week, and uh, you know, we I have conversations with with people when they come in to see me sometimes 10-15 minutes, you know? Yeah, if I have the time. And we the one of the things that came up recently was are those skills being engineered out of people? Because they're so fixed on screens and you know, they don't have conversations anymore.

SPEAKER_01 54:02

Oh those oh god, 100%. Yeah, it was as I think I brought up recently, and it uh it hit me between the you know the foot the forehead recently, and I did I hadn't considered it. The youth of today, and I I know that word is probably the wrong word, but they live in a world where everything is potentially videoed, so they're behaving differently. Everything they do, they're frightened uh to be videoed.

SPEAKER_00 54:29

Also, I mean, just to have a conversation with a person you don't know and not worry where it goes. Yeah. You know, just trust in the the humanity between people and have a conversation, you know. That's what I think it's like one day I I I went out, I went out and I went to deliver some stuff in the post box, right? And it was these real geezers next to the post box. He goes, he says, That post box is broken. It's my really bad sort of cockney accent. It's pretty and I said, Is it? He goes, Nah, not really. I just thought you right, and he was a real geezer, yeah, right? And then he's he he spotted, and I didn't get offended by it. I thought it was great, fun, right? So imagine if I went like, oh, how dare you, right? And then he closes the the conversation, but I went, Oh, that's funny. I nearly you've got me there, so I put them in, and he goes, I recognize that accent. He says, 'You're from Wales.' I said, Yeah, he says, All right, he says, 'I've got a test for you. Tell me, you know, who were the Ponty Pool front row,' which was like a rugby question. And I answered it, right? And he was like, All right, yeah, okay, you're you're the real deal, right? And then we shook hands and his mate, and off I went. But it's little interactions like that. Really I I've got a funny story that that's just reminded me of. What just one? Just one.

SPEAKER_01 55:52

Yeah. I when I lived in New Zealand and I was I was actually at a different job because I need to get a job to get into New Zealand. And I was commuting, I was commuting every day about an hour. And so I was listening to the radio, and this competition came on to win a lazy boy. And I'd always wanted a lazy boy, you know, the full reclining meal deal, you know. And so I I hit my mobile phone, you know, and I freaking got through. Right? Right, this is like national New Zealand radio, right? So I'm driving, and the the guy goes, Oh, I can't believe this question. And he said, This lazy boy is definitely yours. It's so easy, right? Who is the captain of the New Zealand rugby team? You didn't know. I didn't have a clue. I mean, I don't follow sport anymore. I was in sport at high end, and I've kind of you should have wound down the window and just shouted no to someone. Well, maybe I should have done, but I was going like 90 or whatever it was. And you know, I I said Jonah Lomo, who's the only, you know, and and I I think I felt the whole of New Zealand, including the presenter, laugh at me in my face. With you know, you could feel that you twat, right? And so I I you know that day not only what was the prize? A lazy boy, you know, you know what a lazy boy is is these big things. Yeah, you yours wasn't the you're the crazy boy, not the lazy boy. Not only did I lose a luxury lazy boy, right? That it in one moment in time, the entire you know, nation of New Zealand was laughing at this pom. And I sort of I sort of prayed that when I got to work no one had heard. Had they? Yeah. Um, I can't remember. Yeah, I think I told them because I'm I'm not worried about people laughing.

SPEAKER_00 57:53

Yeah, so it's it's like that. So it's but it's interaction, huh? Yeah. It's interaction. And not being afraid of um interactions with people. Um and if you are going through something and you're changing, you know, be prepared to make new relationships.

SPEAKER_01 58:11

Okay, so you know, we're we're coming amazingly to the end of this hour, I think. Because I forgot to look at when we started, but I think we are, right? Um as entertaining as I hope this is, and people certainly write to us, and we're achieving what we set out, right? At the very least, we're putting seven.

SPEAKER_00 58:32

Well, we've got we've got nine now. Is it nine already? Yeah, goodness.

SPEAKER_01 58:36

Yeah, nearly the nearly the ten into double figures, Jeremy. Oh, I don't know what to do. Uh I I'll be worried to walk out around the streets and be mobbed with with you know notoriety of uh are you the doctors now, more poker? Why? You know, anyway. Um, you know, we're achieving what's that cockney guy saying that as well, wasn't it? He was over he was there as well. Yeah, I tell you what, if Natalie listens to this, I'm in trouble.

SPEAKER_00 59:04

Yeah. Um anyhow I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna post it to her let her know.

SPEAKER_01 59:09

Yeah, that's that's the kind of man you are, but anyway, you know, we're happy uh to hear uh wonderful feedback of how much you enjoy, even people saying it's their favourite podcast, which I think is is very um complimentary because there's so much good stuff out there. But we're hoping, excuse me, in between my coffee coughs, that we're also getting you to think more deeply and and most of all, we hope if you're listening out there and um you know time is times are tough or tougher or dark, that we are bringing light, um, true light, you know, and resonance and and and a path to more harmonious times into your space wherever you are, whether you be in your car or your your bed or your bath or wherever you are listening to.

The Candle Story And Reaching Out

SPEAKER_01 1:00:02

Ask Gareth, what say yeah?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:05

Yeah, I I think that you know, whatever place you're in, always reach out to someone that you you know you f you feel that will um be a a good ear, you know. And never i it's very easy to isolate yourself when you feel really dumb. Yeah. I've been you know, I've been there, it's it's hard, you you isolate and you think the world is the worst thing ever. And it might be the worst thing out there, but there's always light somewhere if you look for it. You know what I mean? Yeah, and I think my my I my um um my my teacher, she used to say this thing, she said, Look, however much darkness there is in the world, it doesn't have the power to put the light out of a single candle. It's true, right? So if you can find that little bit of light somewhere with another person or within yourself, build on it, have faith in it, you know, because it's more powerful.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:04

Although I was gonna wind up, I I just because that's inspired me. I I listened to this chat the other day, which I think you know shows what you've said very well, and he was um a professional cricketer from young, and you know, life came from a reasonably good background, so life was pretty good, and he had an opportunity to go full-time professional or sort of full-time professional and university, and he chose full-time professional and university, and it was at university that he first was walked into a betting shop, and he had only had two bucks on it, two dollars on him, two quid, you know, being a university student having just spent it in the pub, and he put it in this machine that this guy had just kicked the crap out of after losing you know a fortune and won something like 500 quid. Actually, I think it was 60 quid, 70 quid, but it was like, oh shit, I go drinking again, right? But he got that dopamine. Yeah, well, he got it the first time he's ever gambled, he got the dopamine buzz, and he recognised it's the worst thing that ever happened to him. Because I'll keep the story really short. Long long story short, he turned into you know a pro you know a hid a hidden secret gambler over the next 15 years, it ended his career, it ended his everything. He got into huge debt, liar, all the same things that addicts get into liar, thief, you know, the belief that just the next gamble will get him out of it until he was in a place where he put everything on one number and uh and that was going to fix everything. It was 56 quid, sorry, 56,000, and if he'd have won, it would have solved all his problems. But he realized that if he had won, it would have solved his problems and he would have gone straight back into the same pattern anyway, lost. And so, you know, he was like, Okay, there's only one solution, death. And he was standing, he'd he'd made some attempts and failed, and he was standing on a platform, uh, ready to properly ready to throw himself in front of a train that was scheduled not to stop going through. And he decided so lowest, darkest place one can be. And still it's all a big secret, no one knows, right? So the shame it's better to die than face it, right? As dark as you can get in his mind. And he decided to text his little brother, who was his best friend, and his little brother obviously picked up on um you know the tone or whatever, and he said, Whatever you're about to do, don't do it. We know something's not right, come and talk to us. That's the candle you're talking about, as you were closing there. That was that little, little tiny piece of light in the darkest of dark that he went, okay. And he went round, and of course, you know, it wasn't good, and people weren't happy, and people were upset, but they they basically said, We'll stand by you, and because he was thought he thought prison was for sure, and whatever it is, we'll help you. And that was what he needed, and he's turned his life round, and he's and you know, he's living, you know, um um uh a good life in the sense that he's correcting his wrongs. If you're in that place now, let this be that candle.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:18

That's an interesting spectrum thing that's happened there. You talked earlier about you know the the Buddhist practitioner off in a cave on his own, right? I think there's some people who need to do that, right? And they they have a purpose to hold uh an energy for the whole of humanity, but yeah, we're not all like that in reality. Of course not. We have to live we have to live our lives, and um I think that you know being in a place that's difficult like that, and having some faith in humanity and making that decision to you know show your vulnerability in a way. Yeah, don't be afraid to be show your vulnerability and to to reach out to to people, you know. Because as you say, you know, uh unless you look unless unless you look for that light, it it doesn't always automatically just come to you. Sometimes it does, there's miracles, don't get me wrong. But for most of us, I think we we have to take that step of saying, you know what, I I don't know anything here, I'm vulnerable, I'm prepared to be vulnerable and ask and reach out.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:38

If you if you haven't got those people or or or you you don't believe you have those people, for sure do come and join the membership at jeremiahs.com and join the community and get into these virtual coffee lounges that they are just magic, you know. Um and we can go from there, but let's Let's close this today with wherever you're at, you know, good or bad, the same analogy,

Be The Tree Take Your Power

SPEAKER_01 1:06:07

the same um truth from the Chinese perspective stands, and that is you are a tree in this realm. And you you need to make sure your roots, which may or may not be at this point in time, are very earthed in in the truth of this realm. You need to be anchored here. And you need to be reaching up to the light, which for me is joy and the greater things that this realm life is a gift. And whether that be bird song or whether you are financially able to go off and do things and help people, whatever it is, the light for me is more than just divine and spiritual. It is everything that is good here, and there's so much good here, and there's so much beauty here. And the trunk, your trunk here, as the analogy from the Chinese, needs to be strong enough to hold up and reach up, and it needs to be flexible enough to sway and bend in the storms of life and what humanity is going through without bending and over or breaking. And that's what we hope we've inspired today. Be that tree, be grounded here, be grateful for anything you can here and reach up to the light and make you know and share your light and and your joy and participate in it. Closing words, Gareth.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:34

Yeah, I I mean f I think because people have uh live lives that they they're so used to being, you know, their power and energy being taken away from them. Um, you know, there's a turning point where you just say, no, I can't I'm not doing that anymore. This is my power, this is my life, this is my energy. And don't be afraid to to do what you feel you need to do. That exactly drives you, you know. And if it means that you reach out to different types of people and relationships change, that happens naturally. It does, you know. It does.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:15

I think I think the closing words are you know, we became human doings, and it's necessary to remember you're a human being and and and do whatever resonates with you now. Anyway, this is the Doctors No More

Goodbye And Keep Being Human

SPEAKER_01 1:08:32

podcast. Thanking you for listening, signing out for now. Bye-bye.