Kissing Turkeys, Smoking Weed, And Finding Your Voice

Your voice gives you away, even when your words try to hide. We start with tone, resonance, and why “speaking your truth” can feel different in the body, then we follow that thread straight into the harder territory: trauma, shame, guilt, and what happens when the nervous system has been bracing for years.

We dig into psychedelics and microdosing with a clear lens on integration. Psychedelics can pry open fear and buried material fast, but speed is not the same as healing. We compare that forced opening to gradual approaches like meditation, somatic release, and energy work, including how blocks can show up in the chakra system and how gentle clearing can bring memories and emotion to the surface days later, when you actually have space to process.

Then we shift to the cultural moment: marijuana is everywhere, it’s stronger than many people realize, and it often becomes a socially acceptable way to numb life. We talk dependency, the “30-day test,” and why a substance you cannot pause is no longer a choice. We also explore what “sacred plant medicine” means when intention, ceremony, and place are part of the medicine, not just the chemical.

If you care about trauma healing, nervous system regulation, meditation practice, cannabis potency, and the search for real freedom in a busy, money-driven world, this one will stay with you. Subscribe, share it with a friend who needs a grounded take, and leave a review. What’s one habit you could pause for 30 days to prove you’re the one in charge?

Transcript

Cold Open And Friendly Banter

SPEAKER_00 1:33

Oh my god, it's

Why A Voice Changes Everything

SPEAKER_00 1:35

like you get on there, you say, Yeah, come on, we gotta hurry up, it's getting done. Yeah, all right. And you come on and you cough, and I can hear what's going on under your breath. Don't think I can't tell what you're calling me.

SPEAKER_02 1:52

Well, welcome back to the Doctors No More podcast with me, Dr. Jeremy, and my great Welsh wise friend, Dr. Gareth. Welcome back, Gareth.

SPEAKER_00 2:04

Thank you, Jeremy. I I gotta admit, that microphone you got is very nice, isn't it? Yes, it's good, isn't it? You know? Yeah, it's uh just the dulcet tones and the timber in your voice and the overtones, is it's wonderful.

SPEAKER_02 2:19

Well, I'll let you into the secret. All right. Um, my you know, I know I don't talk about it.

SPEAKER_00 2:25

I'm not into I'm not into secret I'm not into joining a society, I'm sorry. Okay, well we'll see.

SPEAKER_02 2:31

We'll see. Actually, have you ever watched the thin blue line with Rowan Atkinson? On it was only ran for two years. It was written by Ben L. Oh, who is was it uh police one day? Yeah, it's absolutely brilliant. And there's one episode where um Inspector Grimm, I think his name was, who was just this you know, detective that was just always highly strong and there was never any crime. And if he was, he just screwed up. But he he wasn't he was rejected from the Mason, so he he was trying to join this other secret society, and they had to kiss a turkey's bottom and hold it between anyway, just totally ridiculous.

SPEAKER_00 3:08

It's hilarious talking about secret societies, but anyway, you know, you know the craziness of things like that. Somebody could have looked at that and thought that's a good idea, we'll start that, huh? Yes, well, there's so there's probably a society out there where you do have to kiss the turkey's bottom, right? Yeah, well that's just that's just foul. It is foul, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 3:29

Anyway, what I was definitely not game, is it?

SPEAKER_00 3:32

It's not game.

SPEAKER_02 3:33

It's not game, no. Anyway, what I was going to um say was my my lovely, wonderful wife, Natalie, is how I met her was I was in forums that once it was a specific forum on on look exploring what law really was and language, and it was full of weird and wonderful people. It was really quite interesting. But once a week or once a fortnight, they actually had an audio meeting, right? The the uh uh the video was too much, but so it was audio, and you know, people were invited to ask questions and speak and what have you.

Speaking Your Truth And Resonance

SPEAKER_02 4:10

So I me being me, I used to you know pose these questions or or comment or whatever I was doing. And so troublemaker. Natalie troublemaker, yes, absolutely. No, no, wise something or other, right? Anyway, so Natalie evolver it's gonna be like this all day, isn't it? You just interrupt me while I'm trying to share something with you, but anyway, um Natalie heard my voice. You know, this is how we started today, you know. And you know, she just went, she just went, Oh, that's a nice voice, and and he's interesting, and that's actually where it all began, right? So my voice has has brought me my wonderful wife, and hopefully it will bring me many other things. But let's get hang on, oh well.

SPEAKER_00 4:57

That's in that's very interesting. People don't understand the the the power of the sound that you make. Everyone makes a sound, yes, right? So your voice is not just what you hear, it's the vibration that you give out through it, it's a signature, huh?

SPEAKER_02 5:16

Well, yes, but you know, look, in the beginning there was the word before light, there was sound, you know, and and and a lot of the things that we discuss and try and default to is the energetic plane and harmonic. So, you know, along since we're here, let's go here for a bit before we go back into part two of the sort of psychedelic episode that we've just uh published. But you know, everything um you know we've ever talked about is defaulting to you know this energetic field and you know what we think we create and so on and so forth. Excuse me. Anyway, God, I've completely lost where I was, right? Because you just throw me today, right?

SPEAKER_00 6:01

Anyway, well I said look, I said about your voice, the tone, and you went into the story about how Natalie's got to be. Oh, that's what I was gonna see, boys. And then I said, Well, this the voice is very important, you know?

SPEAKER_02 6:12

Right, okay, so now I've remembered, thank you. Right. So back way then, I was probably just past my twenties, early twenties, when when all quite a lot of my awakening was beginning. I discovered osteopathy and all that story that I've told many times. Um I excuse me, believed, and it would seem arrogant at the time, and my critics would re say it still is, but you know, at that time I felt I was going to have much to say that was important or helpful or or or you know in realms of that, right? And so I deliberately started to try and speak better, shall we say, right? Not invent a voice. No, you you gave me some wise words about singing, right? You know, singing lessons have their place, but you said you've got to find your your voice, right? Which I've I took on board that you know, but I think I've done that with how I speak and and and how my voice is. And then I have a client that's also a member that is that teaches um voice and things, and she said, you know, the most important thing, which I I very much appreciated from her, is that you're talking your truth, you know, uh albeit you may be wrong, but you at least you're speaking your truth because the resonance comes out differently from a you know uh someone trying to manipulate or or what have you. So I think this voice and sound and signature and ether is all jolly interesting.

SPEAKER_00 7:40

Well, I I mean I I uh I've noticed because I um I like to sing and and write. And a beautiful voice you have. I love this. Thank you. Um and I notice because I I actively am you know involved in self-development and self-healing, I notice when I'm going through something difficult, my voice is is slightly different. Yeah? Sure, it's tighter, probably. Yeah. So you you feel you you it which sometimes is good, right? So you say you write it, there's no point writing a song that's you know, um uh just for the sake of writing it, uh, although some people probably argue, but I have to have uh something to write about, and lots of that sometimes can be memories and you know, think difficulties or or challenges. So that's where all the good stuff comes from. Yeah, so the soulful challenges, right? So yeah, and then when you you hear the sound of it as it comes out, you think, well, that that sounds okay. But then as you as you sort of div develop the idea and you go through whatever you're going through and you come out the other side, then the the the vibration of the song changes, and you can probably see that with most art or or or people who create art, they'll go through a creative process, you know.

SPEAKER_02 9:04

Yeah, oh very, very much, very much so. So, okay, look, as this is what you know, I almost want to not do the episode that we were going to do, but I do want to get on to the no.

SPEAKER_00 9:20

That's it that's maybe something for another another time, but you know what? It it I I'm not I'll try and tie it in with it, right?

SPEAKER_02 9:27

Yeah. So well, that's where I was going to you know head the ball back into your call.

SPEAKER_00 9:31

Well, you you you know, if if you become aware that you if your awareness of yourself is such that you can hear the the differences in how you sound, how you put things out, then you become more sensitive, right? When you become more sensitive, uh sometimes there's benefits to that, and sometimes there's there's difficulties to it, right? So, you know, if you become more sensitive to other people's thoughts or emotions, you feel more. Now that might be good because you, you know, say you've blocked feelings for a long

Psychedelics As Forced Confrontation

SPEAKER_00 10:05

period of time, and then you start to feel things, and then people have to get used to feeling things again. But we were talking about um you know psychedelics. These these things f force their way in so that you you know, you one thing that you said from from last week stuck with me, and that's how this person that you were talking about went through, you know, a real difficult uh time with it, seeing horrific things like hell and spiders and things like this, right?

SPEAKER_02 10:40

Yeah, and death and rebirth, death and rebirth.

SPEAKER_00 10:42

Yeah, but I thought about I thought all that is is that own person's fears, right? So their fear of of dying, their fear of death, their fear of spiders. So the drug doesn't sort of create something that's not there. What it does is it it links into something that's already within you, right? And I'd argue, because I've you know I've I I I would argue that um being aware of subtle energy, which is where these drugs connect to, be it the conventional people don't really realize that, which is consciousness and energy, I'd argue that you can you can achieve those changes naturally, you know, without things. You know, but the problem is that psychedelics they force things open and then you're forced to confront things. Yeah, and I wonder whether there's a there's a place for being gradually led into a fear, understanding it, being aware of it, releasing it and learning from it. But some people would argue, well, you know, that's takes too long, and I haven't got that long because I'm so depressed, I want to kill myself, that sort of thing, you know.

SPEAKER_02 12:00

Right. And there's context, and this is this is interesting to me because I think I've shared some of this on a previous podcast, but I've certainly you know talked to you about it. I um excuse me, I am or have been watching some there's some wonderful podcasts out there right now. Hopefully ours is one of them. But there's a there's a podcast, there's some several podcasts out where it's hard men interviewing hard men, meaning, you know, usually they've usually been violent criminals or and worse. And they're fascinating. And while when I've been listening to them, there seems to be a common denominator that as children they were exposed to a lot of trauma. Uh very uh how often they admit it on the podcast or not may vary, but certainly sexual trauma aimed at them, uh, or or they were around a lot of sex, or you know, um, I remember one where his mother was a prostitute, for example, and all kinds of men coming in and the stigma. And and I I I thought to myself, I would imagine many of these violent men that didn't admit to such things probably had similar. I mean, I can't be 100% sure, but I'm I I put money on it that they'd all had these experiences. And so the person they became was a very violent man because they because you mentioned fear, right? Because, you know, when you look at them, they're fucking scary, right? I mean, they're proper scary. And, you know, and rightfully so, and that's what they're still emanating, even though they're they appear to be on these podcasts, to communicate that they've changed or evolved or you know, the next chapter of their life. But they've done really terrible things, and they have um some of them they regret, some of them they laugh about, right? But they got there basically because they were frightened, and rather than be the victim, they wanted to be, you know, to protect themselves, the perpetrator. And so when you talk about you know psychedelics and and using that, and you know, like the story I told, the child was like, well, I'm suffering, I'll just go and kill myself. You know, I wouldn't mind betting that that his childhood to get to where he was was also full of similar or or or differing trauma. And interestingly, and I haven't watched the documentary yet, but if I said the governor, do you know who I'm speaking about? Lenny Lenny, it's Lenny, forget his last name, but he was in um uh he got grabbed up by Hollywood because he was the he was basically a bare knuckle boxing legend and sort of gangster, and he got he was in uh Lockstock and Two Smoking Barrels. Oh, I know. And I yeah, and I think he was in um uh I can't remember that, but he was in a few, and he plays himself, really, you know, and he's terrifying, right? But there's a documentary that's come out that I've that I'm going to watch called The Governor, and it's and his son's in it, and his son's saying, you know, his dad, there was something wrong with his dad, and he thinks it's from childhood, and he was he just basically went, I'm gonna be the most frightening, aggressive, violent. So I think that point is that common theme is probably running through, and therefore, psychedelics may, quote, unquote, may be a way, especially the microdosing, for those people when they're ready to approach it because they've done so many bad things by the time they're looking to, you know, um my god, so many stories I heard from it is horrific.

SPEAKER_00 15:52

I say horrific, the violence they purposefully. Yeah, but you the what it says to me, you know, is that the ability to be open about the story brings a lot of power. Yeah, yeah. And I think this is misunder this is misunderstood sometimes, is that the the the blocks to the story are usually when it's sexual anyway, shame is a big one. Guilt shame and guilt

Trauma, Fear, And Becoming Dangerous

SPEAKER_00 16:25

they the they they're really really controlling energies, you know. So let's say you've got this block of shame and guilt and you're wanting to try and shift this block of shame and guilt, you've got the option to explore it without a psychedelic, right? And that that means you know, all right, I'll go and speak to uh a counsellor or psychotherapist for the next four, five years or six years, right? Or I go and confront it really so dramatically, I have no control over it, and then when you have no control over it, you you have to come to the realization of this actually can't harm me, really, and I'm not I'm not this beyond this this shame, beyond this guilt, I'm not that person, right? Um, and I wonder, I mean, from my own experience with energy work and looking at the subtle energy side of things, which is more the the vibrational side of things, when you you're using energy to look at a pattern and to clear it and to heal it, it has not as you know, sort of um uncontrollable, but it's more um subtle, but has an effect where people can go through that change, and people do, you know. And I I I wonder whether you know people need to get a bit more into the energy side of things, because whether you like it or not, a psychedelic will will open your awareness up to energy, you know, because you're you start to see stuff which is your clairvoyance, starts to open.

SPEAKER_02 18:12

You know, you start to so you're convinced you're seeing other, you know, piercing the veil to differing degrees rather than rather than brain chemistry.

SPEAKER_00 18:22

Nah, it's not brain chemistry, it's not brain creamy. I mean, for me, it's it's what what happens is that your chakra system, right? So you talked about the sacred the the the sexual abuse, right? Yeah, whenever you look at an energy field of someone like that, they they'll have blocks in the base chakra, fear, and the sacral chakra, which is relationship sexuality.

SPEAKER_02 18:46

So when you say block, do you mean it not spinning as well or completely?

SPEAKER_00 18:50

Yeah, so if you think about you if you think about the the the let's say the the the wound that happens is uh is a whole scenario of energy fields connecting. You got the you get the victim, the perpetrator, right? Yeah, and they all carry energy, and then the interaction leaves an imprint in the energy field, which affects the the natural flow of energy, right?

SPEAKER_02 19:19

So what you're saying for those that that have not really understood this well is they are if you could if you could see all the energy fields around the quote unquote physical, because there is no physical really, but around the physical, you're saying you would be able to see you know um the dark energy or stuck energy or stagnant energy that was a wound.

SPEAKER_00 19:45

I teach people how to become healers, energy workers. So the the part of that training is being able to sense and see and and feel. So when people uh become clairvoyant, they see energy, or when they feel energy and become aware of subtle energy, they they can tune in to part of the energy field or tune into a chakra and get a sense of what state it's in. Now, rather than going into it and saying, Oh, oh my god, and this is some this is what lots of healers do incorrectly. Oh my god, your sacral chakra's blocked. I can sense you you've been sexually abused, right?

unknown 20:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:26

Without allowing the equivalent of a brick through a plate glass window. Well, it's the equivalent of energy abuse, right? Yeah. You're you're abusing that person energetically rather than allowing that space for them to, you know, you do the energy work. Let's say you do the energy work, you find a block somewhere, and you use an energetic tool that could be sound. We talked about sound, color, uh crystal, plants to to shape and focus the energy so that you unblock that or ease it slowly and not do it too too forcefully, like psychedelics do, right? They do it forcefully. You don't, you know, you're not you're not in a place where go, oh, I'm you know, I'm coming up on this psychedelic. I can I can switch it off. You can't, you have to go through it, don't you? Because you've done it, you've taken it in, your your energy system is is vibrating at a high higher frequency, your energy or consciousness relating to each center or chakra is linking into energy planes forcefully. Whereas if you go and see somebody or get into energy work, you can gently do it and get an awareness of it. Now, then if you work with somebody and you you you there's a block and you sort of start to clear that block, they might then, after one or two days after the event, they might get the memory, right? Yeah. Of the of

Shame, Guilt, And Healing Paths

SPEAKER_00 21:55

the um and I'm sure you see this with with fasting and the work you do.

SPEAKER_02 22:00

Well actually, I w when I had the physical, I mean this, I I I share this and then go straight back to you because it's fascinating. But when I had the physical clinics and I did, you know, no matter what what you came in with, you know, from depression to you know serious conditions, I would do a whole protocol, including whole osteopathic chiropractic assessment and treatments. And, you know, I knew that emotions and trauma can be hidden and held onto the body without them even knowing. But the story I tell most frequently is a woman who I'd helped where it really hit me bam, straight between the eyes, was a woman that came to see me um some years ago uh with um uh breastsis. And um, when I took the case history, um, she'd been in a uh a deteriorating marriage um with a farmer. And um, you know, the farming is relevant because it's sort of in your own kingdom, separated from community as opposed to like a townhouse. And as it deteriorated, and she was getting ready to leave with her children, um, and he sensed this. He he'd put the shotgun into her breast and said, you know, horrible things that I won't repeat today, but basically, you're not going anywhere, nor your nor my children. And that's what those breast cysts were. And so, you know, we did, yeah, physical protocols, but that's what that was, and they went away, right? And great, very happy over a period of months working with me. Um came back six months later. Um she was divorced at this time, by the way, when she'd first come to me. And um, her neck was rigid, you couldn't move it, very painful. And now she didn't really trust men. She trusted me, but she still didn't really want me to put my hands on her. Uh, and so it was a very uncomfortable treatment, you know, to put my hands on her and do things. And I went to adjust her neck. And if you don't know, osteopas and chiropractors, or at least the good ones, um, or people who who know how to adjust. And by the way, Gareth is marvelous because he's adjusted my neck, and I was like, oh my God, you're you're so gifted. Anyway, um, just before you do the adjustment, you sort of get it into the position, and there's a a minute amount of movement that you test. And if there's a real problem, the body gives you feedback and you don't do it or you question it. Anyway, there kind of was, but I went for it and I adjusted her neck, and immediately I knew I'd made a mistake in the sense that it hurt her, right? And and the whole room, I swear to God, the room went down two or three degrees in temperature, right? And at the same moment, what came into me, because I'm touching her as well, right? I'm whole I'm behind her, and I'm as soon as I felt it, I put my hand on the back of her heart and my other hand on her shoulder, right? But the whole

Chakras, Blocks, And Energy Tools

SPEAKER_02 24:55

atmosphere was horrid, right? But what came into me was you've been strangled. And I said, because I by that time I'd trained myself to be open to being wrong, but I trust what comes into me and I'll share it, right? But I pictured as a yeah, you've been strangled, and she said, No, I haven't. And I said, Look, you you've been strangled. And she said, No, no, I haven't. And I said, Look, I'm telling you, and I was that convinced, you've been strangled. And she burst into projectile crying for five minutes. The kind of thing you'd see at wailing, you know, funerals of uncontrolled grief. You know, five minutes is a long time. When she was able to compose herself, and I felt nauseous. When she was able to compose herself, she said to me, Um, as you adjusted my neck, this memory came up, and they said, he strangled me from behind, behind me on the bed with his jeans, right? And um she wasn't upset about that, although no doubt later on she had to process. She was shocked, being an intelligent woman, that she had blocked it. Yeah, and it was in a neck. So I released it in a more physical way, an unblockage, and it was her next level. And she was she was ill for a week, like vomiting and diarrhoea, and then she came right. But that was that relief. So back to you. You you work at the subtle.

SPEAKER_00 26:16

I've I know I've released it's more forcefully. What we're talking about is so let's say I work with someone, and then you you you look at where the there's this block, or the energy needs some form of support or change, and then usually within three days, the person might have a memory lift up, right? Yeah, or they might go, oh my god, well, that's been held, or they might have a release of some sort, right? Yeah, so there's there's a to me, there's like um a process going on, right? And the importance of actually feeling those uh unpleasant feelings for a while, expressing them, getting them out, crying, anger, whatever, and then letting them go, right? Now this is an interesting question. Is that on a soulful level more useful in terms of cognitively going through something, learning from it, regaining your power, knowing it's okay to release something, right? Knowing it's okay to release something, you're safe. This doesn't have power over me anymore. Do you know what? Now I've done that, I can do more of it. I'm not and you find that, don't you? Somebody releases and they they they go, do you know what? Why why did I allow that to have power over me for so long? Right? Yeah, and then they go, right. It empowers them now. Is that process that takes longer

A Bodywork Story Of Hidden Trauma

SPEAKER_00 27:56

of more value than taking a psychedelic where you don't really have that process, it's happening so quickly, you don't have time to cognitively reprocess things. And I wonder whether sometimes what happens is that when you take a psychedelic, I you know I told you that story about I met a you know the a monk who taught me meditation, right?

SPEAKER_02 28:21

I honestly it sounded like starting about I met a monk, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:26

Do you know do you know he he he taught me so much in such a short space of time, right? He because where I where where I sort of went um to on holiday, um, because I'd been there before was like Thailand, Copanyam, which was like a party place. I mean it's trash now. It used to be really quite nice, right?

SPEAKER_02 28:49

Um you had a better class drug addict going then.

SPEAKER_00 28:52

Yeah, I had a I had a time there when I went back without those influences, right? Because I wanted to experience what it was like without, right? And and he was I was sitting chatting to him and I was saying, what do you think about you know drugs and things like that? And he said, because he'd been you know, he'd be he'd been meditating all his life or a long time in his life, right? Um and he practiced at the the Wat Po school in in um which is a really well-known school in Bangkok, right? That teaches traditional Thai massage and acupressure and all this stuff, right? And he said, when you take something, your consciousness goes up, up, up, up, up, right? And you get these insights like spiritual insights, awareness grows. He said, But the problem is when you come down off it, you have no foundation of how you got there. Yeah, and then what happens is that you you come down, and this is when people take, and I'm not talking specifically now about psychedelics, but just generally any type of drug, you get this high, and it's artificial. So when it stops, you come down and you tend to drop below the level a little bit lower than you were before. That's why people need to take more all the time, right? Yeah, so they have they they to get that effect of spiritual bliss, freedom from from your thoughts and your emotions, and and your you the you know what you've built up in your personality, you have to take more, and that's why people need to take more and more and more. But coming back to the psychedelic side of things, you know, there's a massive increase in in um uh interest in it, you know. And I think I said to you last time, I thought I thought the idea of um, well, why do people want to do that anyway? Yeah, because we've created such a miserable fucking world, you know. We have there's there's been such a misery created around everything, and people struggling constantly, which I hope will change, right? But it's like rather than go in, you know, take your your your drug to sort that out, what can we change in the world to make it better for people, right? Because I I I I think it has its place, Jeremy, right? And there must you know it it must have its place, but my concern is is that people just get hooked onto it, and then it's their answer to you know reaching some form of um um higher awareness, or you know, and well, you know, my my answer is always context, and and you know, where I perhaps I think we do agree, but where where I perhaps uh differ or bring um my opinion is is we haven't created this, we've been deliberately. Yes, that's what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about us, I'm talking about the those people who've created it, right? You know, but we're trying to we're trying to escape that construct constantly, and then we we think that this this drug will help us escape that construct. And I've seen it. People go, you know, it's like the typical thing, people go traveling, they go away on a you know, uh a year, they go to different countries, they get off their head, they get a sense of freedom. Oh, I need to change my life, right? And then they come back and then they realize they can't create anything because they're so out of their body and ungrounded that they're living in an in an illusion, you know, and that's that that happens a lot.

SPEAKER_02 32:43

You know, I think you think you've said some very important things there, including that probably if it could be argued that psychedelics in the purest form from the plant kingdom and the you know um fungi system or fungal system in mushrooms, that sort of thing, they have if if that could be at least argued that that might be plant medicine and there to help, it certainly hasn't been used predominantly for that purpose. It's been used, as you quite accurately said, to get off your

The Integration Problem After The High

SPEAKER_02 33:20

head, right? And so, you know, it is being used and abused. Now, talking on that and you know, sort of side shifting slightly to the right, because it's another one of my observations and bugbears and away from the psychedelics, and I think you've experienced this as well. It is uh so-called weed, marijuana grass, um, has become the legalized, acceptable um drug of choice to the extent that um I have frequently, in fact, I can't think of a circumstance whenever I'm in a city, less so in towns, but certainly a city, whether it's been Toronto, London, Calgary, or anywhere else that I or Nashville or anywhere else that I've walked in the last few years, where the smell, actually, no, actually, also in the towns, I remember now, particularly when driving, the constant or near constant aroma of what, because I smoked it many years ago, a very strong marijuana from morning to night, i.e., it there is uh it appears to me a massive increase in the habitual daily. I mean, for me, when we were doing it, it was at night, right? You you'd you'd freaking get together with some people, and but I'm saying is that they're smoking it alone, they're smoking it during the day, and I would argue they're smoking it to stay functional in this world, normal even. What's your experience?

SPEAKER_00 35:01

Yeah, I I mean I I don't know if it's functional. I think it's to numb life, you know? Yeah, to numb life. Um I think that uh uh it's the same. I mean, I I work up in town and you know, I don't think there's a day I'm up there that and when I'm out I can't not smell it, right? It's everywhere, right? And I'm speaking to you earlier, even to the extent where you've got like a little advert on a on a lamppost with a QR code, get your weed here, you know. Um, which basically means that you know there's it's a free-for-all, right? And from what what my memory of when I did smoke that, um, my memory was that the smell of it was very different back then, right? Yeah, for sure. For now, when I smell it, it's uh it doesn't smell like weed, it smells like weed laced with something else, right? Well, it's certainly way stronger, which is apparently the a a big problem because we're not talking anymore about people trying to get adults hooked on it, it's children, right? You know, and and they're succeeding, you know.

SPEAKER_02 36:12

Look, in the movies, every movie they smoke weed.

SPEAKER_00 36:16

Yeah, and also it's like look, I I I remember when I was um uh you know, because I've got I've got two kids that are teenagers now, right? And they these are all the things that you you have to think about, right? Oh, are they doing this? Are they doing that? How do I uh approach this subject? How do I not be fearful of it and be sensible so that they they get an outlook that it's that is grounded, right? So they can make good choices. So this is a number of years ago now. I and I remember it how it clicked in my mind, right? Yeah, I I I I was in Kingston and I don't know if it's still there, but there was a really big sort of suite sort of shop there, right? On a corner, and uh, there's like kids in there of like four or five that teenagers get in there with their friends, and masses of sweets in there, and then behind the counter, there's all these different coloured vapes, strawberry, raspberry, you know. And I looked at it and I just thought is that just irresponsible? Am I just an old git, or is this the progression from sweets onto you know a vape? And then the vape. Well, of course it is, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:39

So it's like the Disney, the Disney children actors always become highly employees.

SPEAKER_00 37:44

When people used to say to me, Oh, you know, you it's only a bit, yeah, but weed is then you'll take something else, then that leads on to no, it doesn't, but it does because you you become pretty much you know open to the idea that you need something to alter your mindset, and then um you've got um you've you've got that I suppose access to something that switches your mind off, you know. I mean now if I if I want to switch my mind off, I don't switch it off, but I focus it away from the external world inwards with meditation, right? Uh I mean I've meditated since '97, since I met that that guy, right? The Buddhist monk. And I haven't missed the Dave for you know for nearly 30 years, right? So that's how I that's my drug, I suppose, is meditation, if you want to call it that. But it's it it the problem is is that all these drugs that were traditionally like more, I suppose, if for a better word, purer, have become impure. And people don't care anymore. They will just lace it with something to make it more addictive for children, right? Or they lace it with something because it's cheaper to lace fill it with something and to give the actual pure thing.

SPEAKER_02 39:09

Well, certainly um my observations, and they're not welcome, I find, to adults that might be awake, intelligent, know most of the reasons that there are problems with the world. But when when they've been long-term dope users, um I have, you know, it's my own observations, seeing that they are not healthy. Um, they have deteriorated most of them that have stayed on long hope, uh uh grass smoking,

Weed Everywhere And Why It Matters

SPEAKER_02 39:45

they're certainly not optimal. And you know this master and slave thing that I talk about. So you can argue, you know, to the to the uh you know end of time that something's good or bad, but if you can't give it up for 30 days, you know, or preferably 90 days, then you're the slave and not the master. Right? And I see this frequently. And the other thing I've seen, um, you know, really good people, they they they would argue it is a very positive thing in their life, maybe even their family life. And I I see the opposite from the outside looking in. And that's another thing that I wanted to sort of morph into. I follow a chap called Dr. Joseph, he's a psychiatrist that that has committed his life, really, his professional life, uh, after after being uh working for the FTA and seeing, you know, basically the corruption that they're just drug dealers. You know, he's committed his life to helping people get off psychiatric drugs, particularly the benzodiapenes, which are just awful, right? And I've been following him, and I knew it before, but he's been very vocal on it. That the strength, excuse me, of modern-day marijuana is exponentially stronger. And it is, and this he's not the only one documenting his show, it is causing psychotic behavior. Now, I've seen it. I've seen people that are probably not 30 that cannot socially into their own words, cannot be in a social, like people they know cannot be in a social um place or space unless they're stoned. And I've seen them when they haven't got their drugs. They're very volatile. One could argue, without putting a label, psychotic or in the realms of psychotic behavior. Have you seen that?

SPEAKER_00 41:52

Yeah, I mean, I've I I've had friends in the past who've uh, you know, sort of gone off um in a you know, mentally sort of changed. And it's like, I mean, I my study on In what way? What were you saying mentally change? Uh I think no, mentally changed in terms of what you know, some people become more open energetically with it. Most most drugs open people up energetically, right? And then you you're if you're if your energy field is open to other energies, you know, you you you can start hearing stuff, seeing stuff, you what you know, it's that thing of um flashbacks, things like that. And all that's explainable from an energetic point of view, because if you know that you use something for so long, it has an effect on certain chakras, right? So if you're smoking something, it's having an effect on a certain certain center, whether it's your crown center or your sacral center, right, or or your brow center, you're you're imprinting a pattern on it and you're strengthening its link to you know energy planes, right? That's you know, it's it shifts your focus away from the reality of of the world that might be more painful, and that's why sometimes when you say, you know, if you if you've really got control of this, come off it for a month, and if you can do with without it or not without it, you've got a choice whether you have it or not, then you are in control of it, right?

SPEAKER_02 43:32

You know, but it's which which is exactly why I introduced that, because if you're listening and going, oh bollocks, right? Stop it for 30 days, because I know of people adult, mature, awake, you know, people, and they can't stop it for 30 days. And they know it, which is why they won't try it, right? Which means it is the master and you're the slave, therefore it can't be positive.

SPEAKER_00 44:00

Yeah, I think I think what happens is that people are unconsciously aware that if they stop something, then you know, the the reason why they do it comes to light. You know, are they unhappy with something? Are they avoiding something? Are they angry with something? Are they ashamed about something? We all carry these things. You can't I mean everyone carries you know positive and negative emotions. That's that's the whole point of living. That you go through a a period where let's say you feel a bit, you know, low one day and then you feel energized another day. I mean, that's different on a daily basis than people who have rix that like severely deep trauma or uh heavily wounded, you know. And I think what happens is people get stuck in a pattern. So let's say they they they're more comfortable smoking every day because it's easier to block the reality out than go through the pain threshold of something, you know. And I mean, i when you were talking about it, I I mean I did have a a thought about some, you know, some people smoke weed because it's part of their spirituality, you know, or it's part of their culture. And I don't know uh whether that's you know something that's appropriate or not, or people can do what they want, obviously, but like all these things, I think these things, you know, they all come from nature or should do, right? A natural side of things, and those those aspects of nature maybe if they are used, should fall back into a place of um a more sacred plant, right?

SPEAKER_02 45:46

Something well you've said this to me before, and it was really you know very profound.

SPEAKER_00 45:51

That the if you argue look does did did weed naturally grow in the in the UK?

SPEAKER_02 46:00

I don't know, honestly. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 46:01

No, I it's not a natural product.

SPEAKER_02 46:03

It's it South Americans?

SPEAKER_00 46:05

It's probably it's probably a hotter country, but it's like if it grows naturally in a country, then that plant is linked to that country's consciousness, right? So this is what what gets me is sometimes when people say, Oh, I'm off to South America to do ayahuasca and do these things. And and I think, okay, well, you're you're you're going out to native people who their consciousness has evolved with that plant, right? So it's evolved with that plant, the consciousness is linked to that plant, and let's say they take it in a you know religious or sacred ceremony, right? That's part of who they are. You take a Western mindset into that, it might have a positive effect, but how then do you really integrate back into um everyday life in the West when you come back?

SPEAKER_02 47:01

They're also using it as medicine, and that was one of the key things you said to me. It was if it's you if it's used as medicine, it wasn't supposed to be used daily or frequently.

SPEAKER_00 47:11

Yeah, uh, but it's like I you know going off slightly on story. I think it depends who's who's you know using something and for what purpose, right? It's like that story I told you about that that plane crashing in the South American jungle, right? Yeah, and they brought in they brought in the army, the army and and the indigenous people didn't get on, right? They had a big rift between them, and they had done for years. They didn't trust each other, and the plane crashed, the adults died, and the children survived, and they they went off into the the the jungle and they couldn't find them. And the army just said, no, we'll find them, we'll find them. They got loads of helicopters, they searched, they searched, and then the indigenous people would like sitting by the wayside watching this go on, and then eventually the army just said, Well, we you know, we're we're running out of time

High-THC Cannabis And Mental Stability

SPEAKER_00 48:10

here, what are we gonna do? And the indigenous people said, Look, let us let us do what we usually do, and they went into the jungle. They, I think that it was ayahuasca or something like that, and they sat in a sacred ceremony to ask the plant where are the children, and they took it, right? So they didn't go there to you know um uh use it as a off their heads, yeah, right? Yeah, now there was a focus to it, right? Of we need to find these children. There was this respect, and it was like, well, this plant is connected to an energy in nature that could we're gonna ask that energy if it can help, because it's the spirit of the forest. If anyone knows, it's the forest knows where the children are because the children are in the forest, right? In the in the jungle, in that jungle there, right?

SPEAKER_02 49:00

Which is crazy if you think about it and you're not on drugs, the forest will tell me.

SPEAKER_00 49:04

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 49:05

But it's to me that sounds really normal, right? Well, in to us now, but that's that's that's fascinating because that's how they grew up. There was like, of course, the forest knows. Whereas when I was growing up, my exposure to drugs, which I probably didn't even know, was kids' programs. I mean, Bill and Ben and the Flower Pot men were definitely on something.

SPEAKER_00 49:27

Yeah, the magic roundabout there was the the weed was also with Bill and Ben.

SPEAKER_02 49:34

Yeah, Bill and Ben, the flower pot men, and what was it? What was it? What they used to say, weed, yeah, subliminal. They were frickin' off their heads, right? And don't get me on magic roundabout and Dylan, yeah, right. You know, but but you see the extreme difference.

SPEAKER_00 49:49

Google liked sugar cubes, didn't he? Yeah, what are you saying? That that's LSD. Is that cube? Yeah, that's how they used to give LSD in sugar cube form.

SPEAKER_02 49:59

Yeah, I did not know that.

SPEAKER_00 50:00

I mean, I know sugar is probably the most he was bouncing around, he was on speed all the time. Yeah, they all had this bug, you see. Yeah, that's what Zebedee was up and down constantly, right?

SPEAKER_02 50:11

Yeah, and Florence, I'm convinced, was a tranny. Right? Very, very not a very feminine chick, right? Let's be honest. I think we're mature enough now to to talk about this. But you see, I'm making a serious point, though, you know, from from the you know, frickin' rainbow, which looking back, and if you go on YouTube and get the rainbow program, they were all camp and gay and well, they were outrageous when you look at what they were saying as an adult. Yeah, right. Jeffrey, I knew Jeffrey briefly because um I did some work for ITV when I was a kid, right? And he was a raging alcoholic, he was always red-faced, and he'd need to be for what he was probably seeing or knowing, or even perhaps doing, you know. But if you go from the Amazonian tribal people of yeah, which takes Marahuasco and find his kids, to what we were exposed to, it's chalk and cheese. And then the music, of course.

SPEAKER_00 51:01

But you know what was interesting? They they went out there, there was no drama, right? Yeah, they just they quietly cooked, prepared it, cooked it up, drunk it, they sat there. There was no like, ooh, uh no outrageous behaviour. They just sat there for a while and they said, Okay, we know where they are, right? And they found them within half an hour. Oh, it's a wonderful story, right? And then so what happened was that the children were found, and also what happened is that the the rift between the police and the indigenous people was healed slightly because the the army tried so much to find them, and then they they had to ask the indigenous people, and there was this a slight sort of healing of that relationship. So whenever there's there's a use of something that comes naturally, you know, like a sacred plant, for me, there has to be a healing process going on, otherwise it's not being used in the right way. That's just my personal take. People might disagree with me, but I I you know that's that's how nature works for me. If you've got a plant that has that effect, it's there, you know, as a healing process. And then once you get the healing, leave it alone, it's done, you know?

SPEAKER_02 52:27

I think I think it all boils down to where we where we frequently get that mankind, human beings, people listening, um you know, they've they've found themselves in a world that they probably wouldn't choose if they've become conscious of how it has become what it has become. So somewhere along that journey, they got sick or woke up or a bit of both, and they had to discover what is medicine and what isn't medicine, all the way up to the spiritual, energetic, and arguably, you know, um plant medicine. And what is challenging is excuse me, what is challenging is is there actually a state of healing? Because what I find uh a lot is yes, people that I've worked with, particularly within the membership and and and one-to-ones, of course, make tremendous progression over differing periods of time. And yet they are finding it very challenging with their now awareness and health and arguably knowledge to actually live, quote unquote, a normal life. You know, because the normal is abnormal. That's what I'm getting to. It's absolutely abnormal, you know. So, you know, what you know, I've I've said for quite a few years, you know, I think the best we can hope for as we go through this transitioning time, which I believe is positive, is is trying to maintain uh a flow state where you're connected enough that you're being guided of what to do today and where to go and and not be. I certainly see this. When you get to that state, you can't hold down a normal job. You can't hold down normal relations. It becomes very, very difficult, and perhaps that's where the drugs are being used, and maybe in the wrong way.

SPEAKER_00 54:21

Yeah, I think also, I mean, we're taught to to grasp a lot, aren't we? Constantly grasping and wanting to do something, you know. I I noticed it um a couple of weeks ago. I was um, you know, I I I sort of had finished quite a busy week, and I

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SPEAKER_00 54:40

was uh I was walking to to beekeeping, right? To do my you know, to to learn a bit more about my bees. And I was quite addicted to that. You are I was off my head on honey, I tell you. I was.

SPEAKER_02 54:56

Yeah. Have you stung you yet? Out of interest. Have you been stung yet?

SPEAKER_00 54:59

Yeah, I got stung last week. I was I was so pleased.

unknown 55:03

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:03

I was like, no, I was it's you've got you've got it bad, yeah. Because I was thinking I have to be stung, right? To to be a beekeeper. You can't you can't be a beekeeper and not be stung, can you? Right? So I thought, yeah, I've got my sting badge, right? One I can, you know, like sting badge with one sting on there. Yeah, once you get five. Apparently, I met this where I got my bees from, the guy said to me, he said, he says, you're not a beekeeper, he said, until you have at least five bees in your your veil, like they've got in, and you've got five in there, and they're stinging you. And I'm like, that's a that's a serious initiation. Five bees. Yeah, that's like stinging the hell out of your face, have a near. Yeah, so I thought, one on the air, occasionally, I can handle that. That's all right. But anyway, I was going to see the bees, right? And my mind was that I gotta do this, and I've got and it was all about trying to do new things, right? I've oh yeah, but maybe I could do that, then I've got to do this, and I and then this part of me said, Garneth, shut up for a second, just for the next three days, don't think about having to do things constantly or have to do, just be still.

SPEAKER_02 56:22

Just be, yeah, just be. Sorry, it's all around you. Look at it, you got it bad, man. Sorry, I'm interrupting words of wisdom here.

SPEAKER_00 56:31

So just just except for the next three days, don't think about doing new things, don't worry about this. There's nothing urgent, there's not just be in a state where you're not constantly outside of your head, right? Yeah, and just enjoy yourself and your space and the moment that you're in, right? Yeah, okay. And and I did, and it's interesting what comes up, you know, these things like, oh, I should be doing this, I feel guilty about not doing this. I uh if I don't do that, that the fear creeps in of I won't get this, and and I just thought, oh man, we we're constantly in this this maelstrom of having to do, we've been taught to have to do this and that constantly. And I think this is what happens with people because they they they've been taught so deeply to having to, you know, what's next? What's next? What's coming next? What do I do now? What well because it's intrinsically tied to getting money. Yeah, it is. Don't get me wrong, I understand that, and you know, you've got to keep the wolf from the door, as they say. But it's like there is a uh there is a part of me that thinks that you know maybe we you know we're grasping so much constantly is not a good thing, and trusting more that you know, if you if you are inside and more centered in yourself and not thinking about things fearfully and being out then what to do, things might come to you just naturally, you know. It's like I always I mean I always I don't want to sound too hippy, right? But I always amazing amazes me when I look at a tree, right? That tree grows in one place, everything it needs to survive comes to it water, soil, animals, everything that it needs is just given to it, and it doesn't go anywhere, it doesn't move, right? And I wonder sometimes we we're constantly going out and creating a vibration of you know, I have to do this, I need this, I want this, I I've got to, you know, pleasure, pleasure, pleasure, pleasure, pleasure. And then rather than going, actually, I'm gonna sit and allow stuff to come to me for a little bit, you know.

SPEAKER_02 59:02

Have you seen the walking trees, by the way? You come across there? No. Go and Google that. If you can't find them, use the Yandex Russian search engine, walking trees, and it's it's really quite interesting. They get up and they move to somewhere more favorable. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:22

That's interesting.

SPEAKER_02 59:23

It is, it's really you've just blown my my theory away, haven't you? Well, no, not necessarily, but it's very, very interesting. But you know, what you've said kind of um vilifies, I think, what I've been saying, that you know, our natural state is not in not it's not busyness.

SPEAKER_00 59:46

What I what I yeah, what I'm trying to get at is there's there's a difference between soulfully doing something that feeds your soul, right? Like let's say you you you will you become more awake of how you have been or how you want to be, and you're in that crossover bit where you don't know quite what you want to do, right? And your mind is thinking, thinking about things, and it's like anyone, I think anyone with with a uh you know still connected to the human humanity wants to know why they're here. Why have I come here? What do I need to do? How do I fulfill myself in some way? How can I be happier? How can I have enough money to have a good life? How can you know all those things? But I think that because we've been so programmed to think in a certain way, which is based on fear, a lot of it, you know, we we sometimes create our own noise that gets in the way of things just flow into us. No, I'm not I'm not I'm not cum I'm not proposing to be enlightened at all, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:52

I'm not because it's like well the programming is essential. So for example, I used to take out a $20 bill or a 20-pound bill or something like that, right? Never when I'm around though. I've never seen the No, no, because I'm yes, cautious around Welsh people. Um but anyway, I used to take it out and I used to say, you know, whoever's in front of me that I'm trying to teach something, you know, what's that? Right? And they go, well, it's 20 quid, right? Or $20, right? And I go, no, it's not, it's a piece of paper. Well, now it's a piece of plastic, but it's a piece of paper with some very clever art on. You believe it is worth 20 pounds, and so does the place you're gonna, right? So I accept the programming and the belief system, right? And I think this is what is going to change is and and is changing. But but so the programming and going to school and being programmed into a good robot, a good, a good slave, financial slave, it is nowadays, because that's what you are. You're a slave to the pound or the dollar, right? And so, you know, realistically, you know, you can't just go, okay, I'll go and care for bees for the rest of my life, because if you don't, you'll be homeless pretty damn quick.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:02

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:02

I can't I can't do that. Well, no, you can, because life comes in cans, but it would take an enormous effort of faith that things would manifest to allow you. And this is the point, right? You know, if if if if it is true, which would be it, that everything that

Busyness Culture And Learning To Be

SPEAKER_02 1:02:20

is in this realm comes from the ether, still the overbearing program in the ether is falsehood, that what you need is has to be earned. You know, and I'm all for earning and hard work. I am, because when you're when you're on your soulful journey of doing what you love, there is much more reward than just you know the end result. There's the journey, you know. Your journey of becoming a beekeeper, and now you've passed initiation one, the sting, right? But there's much more than just getting the honey at the end of the day. It's the journey, right? So the the, you know, so I I accept all that. But for us, for people out there that are in a shitty job or on benefits, right, or or can't or or believe they can't change because A, B, and C financially, you know, what do we say to those people? I what I've always said is start focusing on what you love now, today, when you're in your shitty job or at home on your benefits, start looking at or listening to or watching what pumps your nuts. Bring it into your reality today. What would you say?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:33

Yeah, I you know, I I um I think it's really difficult for some people to to get out of that mindset if they've been in it for a long period of time, you know. Um, and I'm I mean, I'm aware that there's lots of people um in in the UK, right, that are poor, right? Financially poor. They're they're they're oh it's huge right now. It's a massive problem, right? And they're they're living a really miserable existence, right? Yep, but it it it's like uh you know the system that we've created is is uh it's in a way is like a poverty system, right? By design. It's not, yeah, it's not empowered people to be independent, it's not empowered people to be um self-sufficient at all, or work in a community for each other. Every everything's split, right? So then if you teach a uh a population to become dependent on a on a a central body, a government, right? Yeah, then when things go wrong, if they don't know any different, they're still dependent, aren't they? But it's trying to find depend I I I was talking about this the other day. I was talking to someone at work and I said, Look, there was probably a time when there was the people on the earth, they said, right, I've grown now, I want to start my own family. I'll go and get that piece of land just over there. I'll just I'll fancy that bit there because there's a nice tree over there, right? And I'll go and build my little place there, and um and then I live my life, right? So a God-given or divine right to have land for yourself, right? To live on the planet, not to own it, not to not to covet it in some way, but have a space to be to exist, right? Like a tree does, like a plant does. A plant doesn't buy a piece of land to to live, does it? An animal doesn't, right? But we we do. We've created this system of where and then I I thought, well, what happened? Did somebody, you know, they had a piece of land they and then they thought more people came and they thought, oh right, this I can uh I Can I can get a few more things?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:02

Well, have you not seen Eddie Izard's uh wonderful sketch? The most famous one set to Lego is Death Star Canteen, which I love. But the other one is is is the flag and and uh it's a Lego sketch. And this Englishman comes along, he's in India, and he plants a British flag down and says, I claim this land for England, and the Indian goes, What are you doing? This is my land, I've been here for generations. There's millions of us. He said, Have you got a flag? No flag, it's not yours, it's ours, right? So so of course it's it's stupid humor, but it's not.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:34

But it's true, right? That's the way it goes, and you know, we've built up this system where um you know you're born into this world by divine right, you should you should have access to to land, to a place to live, right? You shouldn't have to be paying money for all of these things, you know, for individual people who you know the actually the idea of ownership of the earth is crazy, really. It's an insane idea, but we're living within it, and then you know, we wonder why lots of people are living in poverty.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:14

Well, there's grey in this argument, which of course you know, the whole thing that I believe we're going through is a rebalancing.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:22

It's so bad I know I'd probably need to take psychedelics.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:26

Well, you know, it it actually obviously I'm sure the audience recognises, you know, is one of the reasons we've gone here. It's why people are using drugs. You know, I'm not sure. I I don't drink very often now, but alcohol is still my drug of choice because you can't abuse it. If you abuse well, you can, plenty too, but if you do abuse it, it hits you hard and says, stop it. Right. But nonetheless, but I I I don't drink very often now, which is good. But anyway, um, you know, the fact is animals are territorial, right? Humans are territorial. We do want our space, our protection, our access to things. And and you know, it's argued that when we stopped being nomads and started to learn to cultivate and grow in excess of what we needed, that's when, you know, the the dis-ease began to set in because we had to store it, protect it, what we're gonna do with it, sell it, share it, trade it. You know, that's where it all began. However, I personally believe there's nothing wrong with that. It's that the psychopaths that used to be uh wheedled out within communities and and and um either killed or sent away from the tribal village, got control of this world and wrote uh, you know, a set of rules that favor them and not the ordinary human being. And that's what I believe is being corrected. So my point is, you know, being territorial, you know, if someone came over your fence now and put up a tent in your garden and went, oh, it's I've got a flag, mate. I'll I claim this part of your garden, you'd probably do something about it, right? You would be like, all right, fair enough, fair news. So I think it is natural and instinctual to want space. The problem, the fact is, there's plenty of it. Yeah, I I I where I am currently when we drive into Calgary, after going to the city.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:12

Oh, can't Jeremy, come on, there's so many people in the world. Come on. It's like you can't move for people, you know? It's like when I used when I used to come up to the lake district when when you you were um residing there, I'd send you pictures of of the journey on

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SPEAKER_00 1:09:30

the way up and how packed the you know the landscape was with people. It's ridiculous. There's tons of space for people, right? Tons of space. Tons of space for people. But you know what just came into my mind was um I remember when my dad used to say to me, right? And I used to think, oh dad, you know, when you go, oh dad, what are you talking about? You don't know what you talk about when you when you're you know teenager. Uh he said, he said, yeah, he says, all these all the drugs he said. He said it's the dumbing down of people. Oh a hundred percent. He says it's the dumbing down of sedation. If people are dumbed down, he says they can't they can't go against what's happening, they can't go.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:16

What did they do in the past? They had a few beers, got even angrier, and went and got their pitchforks. They did, yeah, right? Because I'm serious, because the um French, uh what is it, the French Revolution, right? When they stormed the Bastille. We we we when they okay, we we uh when they stormed the Bastille, we are not racist against the French in any way, shape, or form. Okay, you know, you know, but when when the Bastille and what have you was stormed and they were beheaded, they learnt a very important lesson, right? And that was they have to be kept busy, fed, hence the carbohydrates and cheap shit food. Keep them not so they're not hungry, right? Yeah and entertained and busy, i.e., busyness. So your dad was right. And and now, you know, we've you know, we fill the the world with drugs and sedation because if it was just alcohol and good food, they would all re Starmer, you know, who who's just obviously a puppet, he would have been removed in in much different ways 200 years ago, as as would many of the other problems that this great isle currently um suffers from. Right? So of course it's sedation, is my point, if you didn't get it. Sedate them, keep them busy, keep them financial slaves, and keep them entertained. You know?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:43

That'd be interesting, wouldn't it, if if if there was um if suddenly every sort of mind mind sort of um directional uh substance was uh removed, right? What would happen to the human mind? It'd be interesting. Well there'd be a lot of anger for sure at least, right? Yeah, but there would, but but there'd be space, right? So where you take something away, you create space, yeah, and wherever this space, nature does not like a vacuum, right? It doesn't allow it, something enters, and you know, if then a real positive uh energy enters. So if you wanted to change humanity, you just get everyone in the in the world to think a certain thought, right? Yeah, all together, and that consciousness would shift now. If it was if it was towards more truth, more light, more you know, sort of a better world for for for everyone, once you shift the vibration, it has uh it sets an imprint on consciousness, right? It's like the opposite. We've seen how everyone was manipulated, yeah, right? I mean, uh uh constructively manipulated what that actually did to everyone, it just brought things down. But the nature of the soul and humanity is that something positive always comes out of a negative, right? That's the nature of things, and that's why I always believe that the yeah, it doesn't matter how much people have put down or challenged the the light always will win, right? Always, always because that's where everything comes from and goes back to.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:42

I, you know, more than an hour's gone by, and I next week I think I want to talk about you know the legalized drug abuse system, that the the pharmaceutical industry and how that's being used. But you know, uh what

Where To Buy Gareth’s Music

SPEAKER_02 1:13:55

what I wanted to close today is actually could you and put it in the show notes, but can you let people know where they can buy your music? Because I've bought your music, and I don't think people know. Can you do that? Because I think a lot people are.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:08

Yeah, it's like it's it's on um bandcamp. That's it, bandcamp. Bandcamp, Gareth, Morgan, Thomas. I wanted to include I wanted to include the Morgan. Is that your middle name? It's my middle name, and it's the name of my grandfather, who was a preacher. Morgan Reese. He was a preacher, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:35

Yeah, that's another.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:36

Arrested a few times for preaching, too.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:38

You know? Oh, it's he's running through that Welsh blood of yours. Morgan! Oh, it's such strong names. Gareth Morgan Reese Morgan Gamas preaching the gospel. Oh right. So get your little cute um asses over to bandcamp forward slash Gareth Morgan Thomas, or at least Google that, and I'm sure it will come up. Go and buy his wonderful, you know, folk-like music and bathe in the energies that are Gareth Morgan Thomas. Oh, that was lovely. Isn't that lovely? All right, signing out from Dr. Snowmore. Um, take care out there, and um, you know, put your weed away and stop being adult. Yakita. Yakita,