The Friends We Make Along The Way feat. Goldie Jones

Welcome back Yeeters!
We are movin right along, almost done with episode 2 of HR! Can't believe we are so close! 

We have a special guest this week, Goldie Jones! A writer/director, cinematographer, editor, animator, photographer, and more, you've likely seen her heated rivalry episode breakdown videos on TikTok, Instagram and Threads @glitchgestaltgirl and we are so excited for you to hear what we yapped about!
(interview starts at 51:24 for those who are wanting to just see that!)

Find more about Goldie and her work at her website, goldiethejones.com

Liz's fic recs:

https://archiveofourown.org/works/48547507

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Transcript

SPEAKER_07 0:06

Hello and welcome back to Yeeted Rivalry. Nat is here. Liz is here too. Say hi, Liz.

SPEAKER_03 0:13

Hello, everyone.

SPEAKER_07 0:15

Hello. Oh, we're so happy you're here. Yes, we are excited to be back again. Um we're gonna be talking about some Vegas situations. My dog is barking. God fucking damn it.

SPEAKER_02 0:30

Listen, I don't think dogs understand podcasts, so it's fine.

unknown 0:34

No.

SPEAKER_07 0:35

But maybe I'll just change my, I'll do the noise removal.

SPEAKER_03 0:38

Oh, very nice.

unknown 0:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 0:41

Oh, high tech. Love that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that real.

SPEAKER_07 0:46

Yeah. So we will be finally traveling to Vegas. Not right away. We will be making a stop in Montreal. But before that, let's discuss our most recent reheats. Liz, what have you been reheating?

SPEAKER_03 0:59

Well, I will confess that I have not re-heated in quite some time. However, I have rereaded.

SPEAKER_07 1:07

Reread.

SPEAKER_03 1:08

I I know, I was trying to plan the thing and the thing and the stuff and the read and the re-yes. So I did I'm an audiobook person because I multitask. Yes. So I reread the long game and the whole thing. Um I think so. I have a terrible memory. I don't know what the day of the week is right now. So your guess is as good as mine.

SPEAKER_07 1:37

You don't know what day it is? It's feelings Tuesday.

SPEAKER_03 1:39

Fuck off. It is not Tuesday. No feelings. No feelings.

SPEAKER_07 1:42

I tried. We forgot about our cans. We're so thirsty. Get your can. Okay. All right. Can you guys were so bad at remembering the cans? We talked about it before we started this. We did.

SPEAKER_03 1:51

We how thirsty we were. One, two.

SPEAKER_07 1:54

And then we immediately forgot because we got so excited.

SPEAKER_03 1:57

Exactly. We're so enthusiastic. Uh so my other reread is I reread um common goal.

SPEAKER_02 2:07

That shit is fresh. It's so good.

SPEAKER_03 2:09

Uh, and I I feel like there's some like mixed common goal is kind of usually toward the like middle bottom of one day.

SPEAKER_07 2:18

I'll know.

SPEAKER_03 2:20

Rank it. I know you've got to like get on this shit. It's stressing me out.

SPEAKER_07 2:24

I'm stressing myself out. But look, now my medicine's working. So well, butrin for the win. So I'm gonna be able to do all kinds of shit.

SPEAKER_03 2:33

Oh my god, it's gonna be great.

SPEAKER_07 2:35

I'm just knocking shit off my list.

SPEAKER_03 2:37

I can feel it.

SPEAKER_07 2:38

It's I literally had the thought, like, oh, I should carve out 45 minutes a day and sit down and read. Who am I?

SPEAKER_03 2:46

What? Like make a schedule?

SPEAKER_07 2:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:49

What?

unknown 2:50

Who are you?

SPEAKER_05 2:51

If there's things that I want to do, I should carve out time to do that.

SPEAKER_03 2:55

I need I need you to tell me if that works. I will. Okay. I will. I'm really excited for you. Are you gonna get a bullet journal? Are you gonna No? Oh my god. I did that though.

SPEAKER_07 3:06

I did that for a while.

unknown 3:07

I love that.

SPEAKER_03 3:08

I love the look of them. The precision is like it's super.

SPEAKER_07 3:12

Mine were cute too. I was really good at it. I mean, I wasn't great at it, but I was pretty good at it.

SPEAKER_03 3:17

Right. I have no doubt. But some of it is, I mean, I'm I'm a statistics nerd and I love all that the infographic-iness.

SPEAKER_07 3:25

Oh, I loved, I loved drawing like little banners and stuff. My favorite banner to draw was the like it was like a little one like this, and it had the uh the little triangles. Babe, yes, I know exactly what you're talking about. So cute.

SPEAKER_03 3:41

I went to art school. Fuck you. I can't I know banners.

SPEAKER_07 3:43

Yes, yes, banners. Look, this was this was the thing that I used to escape during my drama.

SPEAKER_03 3:51

I used a book. Hey, no judgment. Draw. Yes, draw. Do you know how many like adult style like coloring books I have of mandalas and cacti? Same thing. Same thing. Like therapeutic coloring.

SPEAKER_07 4:11

I even bought those like uh alcohol markers.

unknown 4:14

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 4:15

Right? They're awesome though.

SPEAKER_07 4:17

Yeah, that was that was like a good one. I was like, I was happy with this purchase.

SPEAKER_03 4:20

That was that was mint. I I can't say that it was effective for me necessarily, but I tried. I made the effort, and that's it was a fun experience. It was. Is this all the Rails? Are we good?

SPEAKER_07 4:32

We're good.

SPEAKER_03 4:33

So yeah, we're good.

SPEAKER_07 4:34

I think we're my most recent reheat was I I honestly I watched the part that we are about to talk about today because I took some extra notes. Look at you. You know, we're trying to really like hone in our shit here, you know?

SPEAKER_03 4:48

Not 100% not 100%, but not 100%, because then that would be just in certain ways off off brand. Why do you keep getting fucking hair in your eyes? No. Fuck's sake. No. Just work out your shit. You good? Yes. At least it's not your mouth this time. When you have to like yeah, the cat hair in the mouth. Yeah, it's not so we are ready. Oh, wait, before we begin, was I got so we have I wanted to mention our cards that we have. Oh, yeah. We didn't even tell we didn't even talk about this ahead of time. So we have our cards that our friend Megan was kind enough to We love you, Megan. We love you, Megan.

SPEAKER_07 5:35

She's the one that did all of our our artwork and stuff that we that you see at the beginning and end of the episodes and stuff.

SPEAKER_03 5:41

True story. Love it, love everything about it. And so we have the the goodnight loon slash goodnight cottage poem in like a card and a postcard, as well as an image of like a hotel room with a kind of like highlights style, like old school. I don't know how many people are gonna get the highlights reference. I don't know if that's very Gen X-y or if that's millennial-ish. At any rate, um, we were trying to go for a fundraiser, but I feel like we're are we fundraisered out? Should we? And I'm gonna post, I'll do a thread about this and see if we can get some interest. Should we go like pen pal style?

SPEAKER_05 6:22

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_03 6:24

I don't know. Like, do it. Bitch, I'm throwing shit out. I am throwing penis out.

SPEAKER_07 6:28

I know what a pen pal is. I don't know what a pen pal style is.

SPEAKER_03 6:30

But like, like, should we find a way to like share it so that because people love to get mail that is not a bill, because that's all you fucking get when you're an adult, is that and advertisements for I don't know, replacing your gutters or some shit. And what if this could be the start of like, hey, here's some fun mail?

SPEAKER_07 6:52

And we somehow like send a send us a copy of a donation that you make to some sort of queer thing, and then give us your address, we'll send you a postcard. I haven't thought you guys we yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:04

This is zero complaints.

SPEAKER_07 7:08

Stop just throwing shit against the wall for 45 minutes before this, and you did not say this at all.

SPEAKER_02 7:18

Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_03 7:19

You mentioned, sorry, you can edit that out. That's just kidding. Or a mess. All right. Oh my god. Oh my love. My love. Should we should we go to Montreal? I should we are you? Are you okay?

SPEAKER_05 7:36

I'm joking.

SPEAKER_03 7:39

All right, so we start in Montreal spring 2014.

SPEAKER_05 7:43

Spring, baby.

SPEAKER_03 7:44

Spring, baby, spring.

SPEAKER_05 7:46

Spring, spring.

SPEAKER_03 7:48

And we have Shane going to Hayden's house and Jackie answers the door. Um, can you confirm for me? I don't remember because I didn't read like I listened to the audiobook. Is Jackie spelled J-A-C-K-I? Do you remember? Do you know?

SPEAKER_07 8:08

Do you I don't have it at handy, it's downstairs. Of course, I didn't bring it up with me. All I did was read the sexy part and then put it back.

SPEAKER_03 8:15

Oh, that makes sense. Uh, but that's just one of those like things. I thought it was I. I feel like it's just I, but that's just whatever. That's one of those continuity things that I'm always like, yeah, look to look. Whatever. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 8:30

But the one thing that the only thing I think of when I see her is Bonnie McMurray.

SPEAKER_03 8:38

Which I had no, I didn't know until recently. I did not know.

SPEAKER_07 8:41

I know. That's why I was glad I was able to make the reference now because now you know what it is.

SPEAKER_03 8:44

I know, yes. So I feel very feel very plugged in. Uh my favorite part about him arriving there is that she says it's not very audible, but she says you're so cute to him bringing something. And I just think that's sweet because like Rose says it later. And she's like, You're so cute. And it's just like that's his aura, right?

SPEAKER_07 9:06

He just did his little girl.

SPEAKER_03 9:09

He's just so cute, baby girl, bringing a gift. He had to bring a gift for the hostess because his mom said so.

SPEAKER_07 9:14

Yeah, and what did he buy? Did he buy fucking port or something?

SPEAKER_03 9:18

It's it's I think he says it's just wine, but like it they I don't think I would like to do.

SPEAKER_07 9:24

He just said, I don't know. I just saw something and grabbed it, I think, off the shelf. And that's why I'm like.

SPEAKER_03 9:30

No, because he says he says his my mom told me to bring it.

SPEAKER_07 9:34

He said his mom told him to get some.

SPEAKER_03 9:37

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_07 9:38

I think I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 9:39

My little pumpkin.

SPEAKER_07 9:41

Uh, and then they're arguing about the playoff beard. Yes. And they're thinking I love it. He's still hurt. He's in the he's in the wheelchair.

SPEAKER_03 9:52

And Jay, and I was gonna ask this. JJ's in a sling.

SPEAKER_07 9:56

He is.

SPEAKER_03 9:58

I didn't remember I didn't remember that mentioned in the show at all.

SPEAKER_07 10:04

Yeah, but I don't I don't think it was, but I mean it would make sense why they didn't make it right very far. Everybody got hurt.

SPEAKER_03 10:12

I love is it or is it not like an official like haircutting salon cape that they have over him?

SPEAKER_07 10:20

Let me go back and localize just cut away from it.

SPEAKER_03 10:23

You're harassing him about cutting his beard, and you're ready with like all of the proper supplies. Let me see. I need to see the blank planning.

SPEAKER_07 10:31

No, I think it's just it's just a towel.

SPEAKER_03 10:33

Okay, all right. That's just a towel tracks that they have draped over him. Yep. Okay, that makes me feel better.

SPEAKER_07 10:39

But the cool thing is after this conversation, when it cuts to um the like TV stuff about the game. Okay, yeah. The first thing that you see where it like pulls up and it says MLH network, the there's like an arched building, you can see like the arch. And that is a hotel called the Boston Harbor Hotel. And Gerard's brother got well, shut up. He did I tell you that Gerard's brother got married at that hotel. He did not, it's so pretty. Are his pictures so pretty? Yeah, and we got to stay there. I'm in I'm in the pictures, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 11:22

What? Yeah, I got to see, I got to stay there. Oh my god, it was so nice.

SPEAKER_07 11:27

It's so oh my god, I've never stayed in a five heart five-star hotel before, and that was like, oh my god, that was oh my god, it's really it's like it's a super nice shout out to my father-in-law who paid for everybody's rooms.

SPEAKER_03 11:38

Damn, that is a baller. Love you, Gerard. Oh my god, that's adorable. His father's name is Gerard.

SPEAKER_07 11:45

Yeah, I got a I got a I got a G I got a Gerard Jr.

SPEAKER_03 11:48

You got a Gerard. Oh my god, why is that even cuter? Oh, I know.

SPEAKER_06 11:53

Oh god, I didn't think that's cute because his it's cute because his dad's like sick or his dad's like five feet tall.

SPEAKER_03 11:59

Oh shit. Oh, it gets better. Oh, I just I can't learn any nicer things about Gerard. I just want to think he's annoying or something. Oh, I know he's such a sweet baby. I know it's obnoxious.

SPEAKER_07 12:10

Um he's a baby, but yeah, so they got married at that hotel.

SPEAKER_03 12:14

Yeah, and there's so many, so many funny stories from that hotel. I can only imagine. The B role of Boston, by the way, could not possibly have gotten more stereotypical.

SPEAKER_07 12:28

I just have to say, I know it was well, and it's funny because I wouldn't have known that if I hadn't have gone right years ago to that because everything they showed, I was like, oh yeah, I saw that.

SPEAKER_06 12:36

Yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_03 12:38

So I full disclosure, I am not a native Bostonian, and it is illegal for me to claim myself as such. I have been told this many times. I'm originally from Ohio, but I've lived in I've lived in Boston now longer than I ever lived in Ohio. Thank God.

SPEAKER_07 12:52

You're a Bostonian. I don't understand.

SPEAKER_03 12:54

No, babe, babe. There is there are some like strict ass rules around here. Like I can't even be considered a townie in the town where I live because I wasn't born here. But my kids can be townies.

SPEAKER_07 13:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 13:07

There's like it's like a whole, it's a thing. So I just need everyone to know that the two things that were chosen I find quite comical because it's Faniel Hall, which is like, you know, not it's not a tourist trap necessarily, but it's like old like meeting halls that have now been turned into like restaurants and shops and stuff. It's not even restaurants.

SPEAKER_07 13:28

Some of them are restaurants, but it's they're like food, they're like food shop, like food like inside stalls. Stalls stalls, yeah. Yeah. Um there's so much shit in there. We walked through there and I was like, I was like, oh fuck.

SPEAKER_03 13:41

Yeah, it's not it's not for the faint of heart. It's a lot of things.

SPEAKER_07 13:44

Well, and Girard was like, Oh, I'm gonna get this, go figure out what you want. And I'm walking around like, how do you even everything looks the same? Everything, everything looks the same, everything all the same, all the same. I don't even remember what I honestly don't even remember what I got.

SPEAKER_03 13:55

No, no, and you got people shouting lobster at you. It's not it's not fun.

SPEAKER_07 14:00

You don't even like lobster.

SPEAKER_03 14:01

I so Jen's allergic, so she's definitely allergic to lobster.

SPEAKER_07 14:05

And I don't really just lobster or is it all shellfish?

SPEAKER_03 14:07

Um, lobster, crab, and shrimp. So like that like has to carry an epi pen, does she? Not always. Um Jen. I know the other thing that they show is the duck boat. Um I did also see. You did, and did you have you ridden a duckboat? Fuck no. I don't fuck know me. I'm just asking. So ask better questions. If I'm getting there, if you ever come to Boston and you ride a duckboat, I need you to know that you can't be a duckboat captain without a license to drive a large vehicle on water because all the duckboats go on water. So it's not just that you have to have like the proper license to drive a weird ass vehicle on a street, you have to be licensed for like to be a captain just in case anything happens, then you gotta go into the water. I mean, shit gets real when the duck when the duckboat goes in the water, it's a little weird.

SPEAKER_07 15:07

Well, and if they need you, you gotta go.

SPEAKER_03 15:10

So captain goes down with a ship.

SPEAKER_07 15:12

Yeah, they seem to get out on the water.

SPEAKER_03 15:15

They do all have fun names. So if you need some Boston lore, go look. And they they rename the boats here and there, and they're very they're very funny. And I I appreciate it, so I'm sure someone out there is going to appreciate the duckboat names. You're welcome. I love it. My Boston speech is over. Good night.

SPEAKER_07 15:36

So they're talking about Ilya and the team and how great they're doing. He's scored 10 goals in the last six games, I think is what they said. And he's just looking like a little cutie patoot, just kicking the shit out of everybody. Oh, hell yeah. Knocking them into walls and shit. Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. So doing great. And then you know what comes up after this? The fucking speech.

SPEAKER_03 16:05

The fucking speech. Do you know what I did for you? I tallied the fucks. Oh, nice.

unknown 16:12

I did.

SPEAKER_07 16:13

But Connor story. Oh god. I salute you. It was an excellent speech. 10 out of 10. I it's I know you were waiting for me to give you that.

SPEAKER_03 16:27

Oh, the oh, that Connor was waiting for you to give him that? Oh, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_07 16:31

Babe, but I'm like now he can breathe a sigh of relief while going into season two.

SPEAKER_03 16:37

Man, thank god, thank God Natalie. Who's that bitch again? Thank thank God she approved. He first I mean he nailed it. He definitely nailed it. I get secondhand embarrassment for like moments like this because I like I don't know why. I think because I'm just I'm not I wasn't a sports person growing up. So like the the pep talk thing was never a thing part of my I was the theater kid.

SPEAKER_07 17:11

Yeah. But I mean you had your you had your own versions of that. Like whoever spoke before the first show or whatever, yes.

SPEAKER_03 17:18

Yeah, yeah. But it was usually like there was usually crying and like the reading of a fucking poem.

SPEAKER_07 17:22

It was not like Yeah, that's how you guys expressed your emotions.

SPEAKER_03 17:26

This is what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_07 17:26

They don't know how to do that yet. We're getting there.

SPEAKER_03 17:31

It just takes them a little bit longer. A little longer. Um, but would you like to know how many fucks were there?

SPEAKER_07 17:36

Yes, please.

SPEAKER_03 17:37

Okay, so total fucks in the speech 11.

SPEAKER_07 17:45

Nice.

SPEAKER_03 17:46

If you if you want to count Marlowe coming up to him afterwards and the two of them having an exchange, it goes up to 13. Nice. You're welcome.

SPEAKER_02 17:58

I do the important work here at the pod.

unknown 18:01

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 18:02

Your voice is true. This is critical.

SPEAKER_07 18:07

Critical work. I just love the line where he says, that was yesterday. That was before that was that was before. Fucking fuck San Francisco! It is my favorite. Gerard yells that. That is one of the stims that he that he does. And like we'll we'll both do it.

SPEAKER_03 18:28

I just I just have to I like wonder if we have to ask, like, we have I have some followers on threads who like travel a lot. And I just wonder that if they're like at the airport all the time traveling, if they hear like a gate announced that's going to San Francisco, if in their head they're always like, fucking fuck San Francisco.

SPEAKER_01 18:49

Like 100%.

SPEAKER_03 18:50

That's why you have to be. Or if like, I don't know, like I would just desperately want to catch somebody's eye and be like, fuck, like, yeah, fucking fuck.

SPEAKER_07 19:00

I also just realized that this is another place that is catch and strays. First, it was Latvia catch and strays. Oh, yeah, and now it's San Francisco catch. They don't even have a team, and what and they pick them to be like fuck, fuck, San Francisco.

SPEAKER_06 19:17

San Francisco's trying really hard right now, you guys. They're really going to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_03 19:20

They really are. They are, they're making an effort. We should really recognize that. Also, I like San Francisco.

SPEAKER_07 19:27

I also realized something watching this last time is what after he finishes and Marlo comes up to him and says, Great fucking speech. Ilya says, Go fuck yourself. Yeah. Okay. And this is a parallel to two in episode five. Okay. When he goes over to say 1919 is the front door code. Yes, yes. And he goes back, and Hayden says, Oh, what was that about? And he was like, Oh, I was just offering my condolences. And he said, What did he say? And he said, Go fuck, go fuck yourself. Nice. And that's not really what he said, but I feel like that in this first situation, he's saying go fuck yourself, but he's really saying, like, thank you. Right, right. Thank you. I love you. I love you too. Feelings too. Yeah. But it's like in that situation, he said, Oh, I said, go fuck, go fuck yourself. Right. And it's like, well, when we've heard him say go fuck yourself before, it meant maybe it's a stretch, but whatever.

SPEAKER_03 20:38

No, I think that's, I mean, he's, you know, communicating the to the extent that he's able. With 13 fuck you's.

SPEAKER_07 20:46

And then we get the fucking garbage talk where they're like, fucking hate Rosanov, and then JJ calls him a cocksucking Russian, which ah, right?

SPEAKER_03 20:59

That so I have I'm of many opinions about that. I'm surprised that it was included, but not I don't want to say highlighted, but like it was like thrown away almost. Like I'm I'm almost surprised. And maybe it was supposed maybe it was meant to be that way to make it be like, oh, this is like the casual way that the you know homophobia just like creeps in to everything.

SPEAKER_07 21:31

It is, I think so.

SPEAKER_03 21:32

And it it and certainly it is, but when so many other things are purposeful in the show, it's lines like that that you're like, huh. Um and the fact that like and clearly like Shane doesn't even react.

SPEAKER_07 21:45

Yeah. He's like, yeah, and yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 21:49

But yeah, that line, I was like, I mean, I heard it from my siblings all all the time, so whatever.

SPEAKER_04 21:57

We get we get this for you, this is for you, Mom.

SPEAKER_02 22:00

Oh my god, the heartbreak.

SPEAKER_01 22:05

Yep, and then the and then the zooming in on Shane.

SPEAKER_03 22:09

Stop. Can we break down the sections of that man's face? Oh my god.

SPEAKER_07 22:15

All of the emotions that are going through his fucking mind. He wants to kill him. He wants to fuck him. He wants to tell him how proud he is of him. He wants to marry him. He wants to give him a big old kiss right on the mouth.

SPEAKER_03 22:33

On the forehead. But it's I I found myself watching and re-watching the scene and literally just focusing on like a different section of his face. Because it's like the tension in his eyes, his no his mouth is doing something, his chin, like the timing of like when he kind of gulps.

SPEAKER_07 22:54

I think it's also so good because I I've been trying to think about the fact that um we know that Jacob gave them so much direction, you know. And the thing that really was good for like interesting for me when I first watched and then read the books was learning what they were thinking, right? The characters. So they Hudson and and Connor, they know what the characters are thinking because of the book, but I think it's right interesting to know that Jacob like like likely walked them through each emotion that they were supposed to be feeling.

SPEAKER_01 23:30

Right.

SPEAKER_07 23:31

And so, like when I watch it, I'm just like, man, like it's cool to know or to think. I'm thinking I'm thinking, I don't know anything, I know nothing. My name is Jon Snow. Jesus. Um, you know, that like like even the part when he's standing uh in the hospital room when Shane's asking him to stay. Yeah. Knowing that in that very short amount of time, Ilya wants to lose it, like get rid of everything, attach himself to Shane and be like, and it's like you know that that's what the actors are thinking in their fucking heads. Yes, and it's so it's just it's uh words.

SPEAKER_03 24:16

Good job. You did you almost had it, you did it great. That was great. You almost got there. You she almost had it, everyone. She almost had it. But no, you're absolutely right. It's like the reminder of I think about it in terms of the fact that they don't film things linear. So the scenes are bouncing around.

SPEAKER_04 24:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:43

And they need that's why you need like script supervisors and you need the intimacy coordinators to be like, hey, just a reminder, right? This is where you're at. This is you know how far the relationship has gotten at this point, because you know, we get quite the progression in certain episodes. Yeah, you know, eight years has passed, but in these first couple of episodes, it goes from chunks of months to a chunk of a you know, couple years or whatever. Yeah. And you know, mistaking there's a lot of different emotion in like the first year, right? Than there is in whatever year seven or what have you. So that's the shit that super impresses me. Yeah, that it all fits together so well. Because somebody has to keep track of that shit.

SPEAKER_07 25:33

My nail is like broken, so I was trying to like rip it off.

unknown 25:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 25:36

Oh, nice, nice, classy.

SPEAKER_07 25:38

No, but I uh yeah, I 100% agree. And I so I think it's I think it's interesting to know or to think that they you know, he's giving them all of those thoughts. And so we're we're we're watching him have those thoughts.

SPEAKER_03 25:52

Oh yeah, Shane blesses little soul.

SPEAKER_07 25:55

He just wants all the things. Yeah, so that was spring, and now it's summer. So just a few months later. And we're in Vegas, and we have a very, very upset, concerned, and stressed out baby.

SPEAKER_03 26:17

Baby, baby girl is very upset. Baby girl is all dressed up. Baby girl is uh maybe like 25% gay panic.

SPEAKER_07 26:27

I have a note here where I said poor Shane doesn't even realize that the reason he's alone is because just the sight of him sent Ilya into a fucking panic. I know he's walking around, he's just like, where is he? And I'm just like bro, all he did was look at you and he had to run away. Okay, you don't even I you're not gonna understand this, but this the reason you're alone is your fault.

SPEAKER_03 26:50

Is actually your fault. You are actually the victim of your own crime.

SPEAKER_07 26:55

If you were not such a cute little sweet baby girl, and he didn't want to fuck your brains out, it is your fault, right? He walks up and he's like, Where were you? And Ilya is such a shit. I was busy.

SPEAKER_03 27:09

Oh my god, this pissed me off in the book, it pissed me off in the show, and then I found out that there was an additional scene, and then I felt better. Yeah, I all was forgiven. Thank you, Rachel Reed, for the Ilya's point of view. If no, if you if you're not aware, most people definitely please go to Rachel's website. We can link it, we'll link it, we'll link it, but please go and read Ilya's point of view. What? What's the matter? Why are you laughing? We'll link it, we'll link it. Oh my god, you're doing that. Oh god, such douchebags. Oh god, please hate myself. I hate myself. I know just know that if like when we do stuff like that, that we actually hate ourselves more than anybody could possibly. Yeah, yep, yep. It's fine, we're fine. Um but yes, please read that additional chapter because the perspective helps 10,000 percent. Yes, it did for yes, do it.

SPEAKER_07 28:06

And he says, so he says I was busy, and Shane says, with who? Which which if if that if if we were playing a game of basketball.

SPEAKER_03 28:22

What is about to happen right now? What is the anal what is what is happening? That with who?

SPEAKER_07 28:28

Yes, that is that's Ilya. That's a that's a fucking swish with him understanding like whoo! Got it. Like, I got it, I got it. That's why he smiles. It's so fucking cute. Yeah, so fucking cute. You're a little you're a little piece of shit. Yeah. Little piece of shit. Hair, hair slick back real nice. Oh. Okay. Did you watch that episode yet? I don't think you did. No, I haven't yet. It's I think you should leave. It used to be a piece of shit. I said, but man, the smile on Ilya's face when they're walking out. I'm just like diabolical.

SPEAKER_03 29:21

Yes. Absolutely not not an important detail. Is his suit navy?

SPEAKER_07 29:29

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_03 29:30

It's not?

SPEAKER_07 29:31

No.

SPEAKER_03 29:32

Because I find a navy tux pretty hot. Um I there's no complaints from me.

SPEAKER_07 29:36

It's it and like that was the color of Gerard's uh suit for his brother's wedding in Boston.

SPEAKER_02 29:42

It's not all about fucking Gerard. Okay. I've had enough.

SPEAKER_07 29:46

So if you look though, if you look though, the envelope that Shane's holding is blue.

SPEAKER_03 29:53

Oh. So yeah. So Shane's got classic black.

SPEAKER_07 29:59

I think Ilya just has a different like sheen of black. I don't know what it is. Okay, and then we get the selfies, and I'm so fucking excited to see how they do this in season two. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 30:13

Like how adorable, painfully adorable.

SPEAKER_07 30:17

Like and any, if you guys thought that we were insufferable before. Oh, oh, it's gonna be so bad. I'm gonna be crying for weeks.

SPEAKER_03 30:27

Do you know that I was actually thinking about this? I was like, wait, are we how the fuck are we gonna do this once the season comes out? Because we are slow motherfuckers when it comes to you know, and like this is after we've watched it several times.

SPEAKER_07 30:45

We'll probably just have to do like we'll start with watching it and talking about it, and then we'll go back and we'll dissect it. And then we'll be like, we we forgot a bunch of shit.

unknown 30:54

We're back.

SPEAKER_07 30:54

We have forgot. We just we'll come back and we'll dissect it after we do a thing. My ear itches, guys.

SPEAKER_03 30:59

I'm using my that's that's fine.

SPEAKER_07 31:02

Using a pen.

SPEAKER_03 31:03

Oh, good. That is not safe, babe. Babe.

SPEAKER_07 31:06

I'm not sticking it all the way in my ear. It's literally just like the bottom part right here.

unknown 31:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 31:11

Look, I have great ideas. Everybody do what I do.

SPEAKER_03 31:15

Everyone, pay attention to that.

SPEAKER_07 31:17

Don't do what I say, just do what I do.

SPEAKER_03 31:19

Do what I do. So the I think they absolutely nail the awkwardness of the presenting of this award. It's because that is how I feel every single awards show that I watch. It's just the weird like stiffness of having to read off of cue cards. I it's so bad. It's yeah, just so bad. And you feel like it's like, why is it so difficult?

SPEAKER_07 31:44

It doesn't seem like it's difficult, and then you're in a situation where you have to read something and you're like, I forgot what words are. What are words?

SPEAKER_03 31:51

Where is my mouth hole? I am I able to read with my eyes. It's so, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 31:57

We have the blue-colored lights, shane, exit booking it, booking it down that hallway.

SPEAKER_03 32:05

Wait, did we so we took the selfies, but then we get the hand down the back.

SPEAKER_07 32:09

Oh, yeah, the hand down the back.

SPEAKER_03 32:10

I feel in the book, I think it specifies that he like does something. There she is. There's my pretty pretty princess. Yay, yay. He does like a neck rub, but in the show we get like a down the back kind of stitch. Also, risky. Risky as hell.

SPEAKER_09 32:28

Because there are people that stage, babe.

SPEAKER_07 32:31

No, I feel like he didn't put his do you do you think he put his hand on his butt? I don't think he put his hand on his butt.

SPEAKER_03 32:36

No, I don't think it, but I don't think it matters. I feel like in that setting, that's and I realize, you know, they're curious.

SPEAKER_07 32:43

I feel like it can just be, I feel like it could be excused away by like nerves or just like I didn't, I I didn't know what to, you know. No one's gonna ask, I don't think, you know.

SPEAKER_03 32:52

I feel like it would have made Shane nervous.

SPEAKER_07 32:55

Oh, for sure. That's why he's so mad.

SPEAKER_03 32:58

That's why baby girl's so mad.

SPEAKER_07 33:00

He's like, don't touch me like that. Why you dodge me?

SPEAKER_03 33:04

Why you touched me like that? I go I go backstage. I saw sweaty.

SPEAKER_07 33:09

He walks in and he looks under the one stall with the door closed.

SPEAKER_03 33:14

Um, wait. Most important thing about this bathroom.

SPEAKER_05 33:19

Mirror.

SPEAKER_03 33:20

No, I mean, of course a fucking mirror, but I don't know. Are there urinals? Have we said is this a men's room? Because if it is a men's room, there is a urinal, yes. First of all, all fucking restrooms should be gender neutral. That is a hill I will die on. Second of all, if it's a men's room, there is a changing station.

SPEAKER_07 33:40

I know.

SPEAKER_03 33:41

Isn't that so nice?

SPEAKER_07 33:43

Yeah. Well, look at that. In Las Vegas, lots of men have their babies, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 33:52

And there we have it. There she is. Yep. Oh okay.

SPEAKER_07 33:59

So wouldn't it be so funny if there was somebody like in the bat in that stall, but they just like pick their feet up.

SPEAKER_03 34:04

Oh my god. Somebody write the somebody write the fic.

SPEAKER_07 34:08

I think we made a post about that like months ago where I was just like, yeah, I was just like, guys, I'm in the stall, and these two guys walked in and I picked my feet up, and now they're talking about stuff. They're talking about doing stuff on a filthy bathroom floor.

SPEAKER_06 34:20

I don't know what to do. I don't know how to get out of here.

SPEAKER_07 34:22

I just gotta take a shit. Oh my gosh. I think I said like, I don't know how he didn't see my feet or something.

SPEAKER_03 34:31

Oh my god, please write the fake. Matt, please do it.

SPEAKER_07 34:35

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 34:36

Oh my god, please do it.

SPEAKER_07 34:38

So cute. And also, this bathroom is the same bathroom that Ilya was just in, losing his losing his fucking mind.

SPEAKER_03 34:46

Natalie is referring to the extra scene that is written on Rachel's website. Yes.

SPEAKER_07 34:52

If you don't know, I honestly I don't care.

SPEAKER_03 34:55

I know I'm trying, we're trying to be of service. We're trying to be observing. You're very nice.

SPEAKER_07 34:59

You're nicer than me today.

SPEAKER_03 35:01

It's true. I'm nicer than you on most days. Let's be honest with ourselves. This right?

SPEAKER_07 35:05

This is true.

SPEAKER_03 35:05

This is very true. Okay, we've established that.

SPEAKER_07 35:08

Also in the book, um they I know that just like I think it's the same in the Tampa scene where typically in the book they're closer together in proximity when things are happening. And then in the show, they have them physically separated to create that because in the books they're right together, but you know that how separated they are because you know what they're thinking.

SPEAKER_03 35:33

Right.

SPEAKER_07 35:34

You know, but this it's like you kind of need that visual to see like how on other sides of everything they already are. Also mirrors again, and we get to see both of them, which is as you were saying, we get it's it's them being totally exposed. It's all it's all of them whenever they're with each other.

SPEAKER_03 35:54

They get all versions, and it's it's I do I should someday like sit down and actually like break down like kind of the phrases of what they say versus when you see one of them versus the other and with a reflection. Because I feel like there's something to that, that it's like, okay, now I'm speaking, but there's only kind of one of me in the shot, but there's two of you, and how that how that plays out.

SPEAKER_01 36:25

Shane is so heartbroken.

SPEAKER_03 36:27

Oh my god, he's a fucking puddle of sadness inside a tux held together with a cumber bun. I cannot, it's so heartbreaking. I want to break, I want to give him a tissue.

SPEAKER_07 36:42

And Ilya doesn't realize that he's actually mad. I know, and so watching that come across his face, because he walks in there like, oh learn about the hookup. Oh fuck.

SPEAKER_03 36:55

You mad.

SPEAKER_07 36:56

My baby boy is upset. Angry kitten.

SPEAKER_03 36:59

Mm-hmm. He actually mad. But he's not just mad, he's hurt. Like he's heartbroken, he's super heartbroken, and Ilya's trying to like play it cool a little bit. He knows he's got his arm deflect for sure, yeah. And he's like doing his little like hand fidgets.

SPEAKER_07 37:15

Yeah, right? He's like, and then he's like, I want you to suck my dick. You are uh you are unbelievable, unbelievable, my dick.

SPEAKER_03 37:23

And after it's interesting, after Shane says that, he's like, You suck my dick, and he turns away. I feel like you see the tension in his body where he's like, he can't believe he just said that. Like it was he's almost offended by himself. Yep, that he just went at Ilya that hard.

SPEAKER_07 37:39

Well, yeah, because he's already saying he's already saying the things that he doesn't want to say. He's actively saying, Don't say this, and then those words are coming out of his mouth. Ilya closes the space between them. He puts his hand under Shane's chin.

SPEAKER_03 37:58

Stage direction provided by.

SPEAKER_07 38:45

When Shane says please, he's like, he can't believe that he said please to him. Right, right. So so I love that he had that reaction still in the show because I was like, like, yeah. It's like gratifying. Yeah, it's so and it's so tiny. It's so he's so tiny.

SPEAKER_02 39:04

So maddening.

SPEAKER_04 39:05

Watch it again. He says, please.

SPEAKER_02 39:07

Yeah. Oh, you suck my dick. He very slightly just goes, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 39:15

Yep. Oh my god, so good. Very tiny. Uh and then filthy bathroom floor, like baby boy. What are you doing to him? He's already so sad.

SPEAKER_03 39:27

He's so sad, and he gets so worried about dirty sheets. And you think for us, but like, but then he asks, and he says, like, oh, Shane, the like, and he's it's please, yes, and he's holding his face.

SPEAKER_07 39:44

Well, at first, because then but then he just like goes like this and let's go.

SPEAKER_03 39:48

The swipe, and then like this one and the like watery eyes that Shane has.

SPEAKER_07 39:54

Dude, baby bottom eyes, like please.

SPEAKER_03 39:56

I know it's oh it's just I want like a I don't want a single tear to fall, but it looks like there is enough there that a single tier could fall, and I hate that for him. I hate it. I want I want to punch mirrors because I hate that for him. But then the swiping.

SPEAKER_07 40:18

They're made for each other, like be so fucking for real.

SPEAKER_03 40:20

I know, I am for fucking real, babe. I know.

SPEAKER_07 40:25

So when he leans forward and they like put their foreheads together and then he puts his head on his shoulder. Do you think that Ilya's touching him? Because I've seen some people posting saying that they think that Ilya's like touching him, but I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 40:38

No, I don't think I I think that's why you kind of see Ilya head nudge him into like pushing his head more into like Ilya's neck is that he's not.

SPEAKER_05 40:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:50

Is that that's the only contact that they have, and so say you you kind of see Shane leaning and like leaning into it, like seeking it out because he's not getting enough. And I think if he was being touched elsewhere, that's fair, that that wouldn't be as obvious. Yeah, but it's but it is like that very sweet. Oh god. I mean no and the deflation, Shane's de Shane's No.

SPEAKER_04 41:24

What we will we'll go back to our seats, we will do the rest of this boring showing show and go to boring party later.

SPEAKER_02 41:36

Boring party after.

SPEAKER_04 41:38

Oh yeah, boring party after after.

SPEAKER_07 41:41

Oh, but wait when you have been waiting all night.

SPEAKER_04 41:47

You will come back to my hotel.

SPEAKER_03 41:50

And I will I love the emphasis, the emphasis on my ooh, calling the shot, maybe.

SPEAKER_07 41:56

And then we get the second wink.

SPEAKER_03 41:58

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_07 41:59

Because we had the first one was was the 50 goals. Mm-hmm. And then we get the second wink where it's like maybe, maybe, maybe I need a still shot of that.

SPEAKER_03 42:10

I think we both did it. Maybe we both did it terribly. That was a terrible wink on our part. Um but after the wink, Shane cracks a little.

SPEAKER_01 42:24

And he says, When's your English get so good?

SPEAKER_03 42:27

And I do love that they switched this. Yes. From the book. And he is just so enamored. Fucking smitten kitten. He went from angry kitten to fucking smitten kitten, and he is staring hard at Ilya's mouth.

SPEAKER_07 42:46

I do love that he he did take some time to look him in the eyes, and then he starts looking at his mouth.

SPEAKER_03 42:51

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 42:52

He's like he says, No, I'm reading the New Yorker, and the look on Shane's face. He says, Really?

SPEAKER_09 42:59

Oh, my dad reads that. Really? Oh my god. Is that really why your English calls hold on?

SPEAKER_02 43:09

No, asshole.

SPEAKER_03 43:10

Fucking morons. Yes, he subscribed the fucking new no. He was like, no. And then my favorite, I will confess, my favorite line. Maybe not my favorite line, but my favorite line delivery. Because it's the tone, the volume that he says it at. When Shane says, wow, genetic.

SPEAKER_07 43:36

But I mean the line, the line leading up to it is so good. So being boring is is genetic.

SPEAKER_03 43:43

And then he says perfect the setup is perfect, but like the way his like voice like crackles, but he is just he's gone. He is just gone for this man.

SPEAKER_07 43:56

And the look on Ilya's face when it cuts back to him. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 44:00

You guys, like come on. Who is no one is beating these ellipses?

SPEAKER_07 44:05

I'm glad all of these situations are happening about happening behind closed doors because otherwise please. Y'all would have been clocked so long ago.

SPEAKER_03 44:13

Oh my god. You are fucked. No. They got your number.

SPEAKER_07 44:20

No way. And then just like Ilya making everything a competition because he knows what his man likes. He knows how to get his man's ready to go. So he says, if you win, I'll blow you, fuck you, whatever you want. Whatever you want. And then because Shane is always thinking about his baby, he says, and if you win. And then Ilya says, I already did by kissing him.

SPEAKER_03 44:57

Oh my god. And if that is not like the he held out, I mean that the way he kisses him is and I'm saying Ilya. Like Ilya goes after shame.

SPEAKER_07 45:11

This kiss I think is on par with the rooftop kiss in episode one. Oh, yeah. I feel like I feel like the kisses are the they're it they're for the same reason because like the rooftop kiss, it was literally like they needed it, like I like air, right? And and that's how I feel about this. Like the way that Ilya is kissing Shane, it's like he he needs he whatever he is getting, he he needs it.

SPEAKER_03 45:38

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 45:38

And nothing like he has to he has to get it. He has to.

SPEAKER_03 45:42

And I think initially he was planning on not.

SPEAKER_07 45:44

Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 45:45

He was like he was definitely like, no, I'm gonna like set the stage. Oh, yeah. This is this is devastating for the brand. This is absolutely devastating for the brand. Because he was like super tough guy. I'm not giving in.

SPEAKER_07 45:59

But then he he got and then the fucking slapping continues.

SPEAKER_03 46:03

Oh my god. Fucking hell, dude. Every time the slap in the face, it low-key pisses me off. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, it does. Every time. Why though? I don't know. Like it just it's you know what it says to me? It feels like condescending to me. That's how you know it just that's what my brain does with it. And I'm like, ugh, and it just it gives me an ick. I think that's what it is.

SPEAKER_07 46:31

See, to me, I see it, I see it more as like a a way that he's helping Shane like ground himself in reality again. Totally. Because like he gives him the blowjob, slaps him on the belly, like, all right, we're done. We've you know, ri you know, come on back.

SPEAKER_03 46:50

Like and all I think is like, who wants to be grounded by being pissed off? But he thought that was great.

SPEAKER_07 46:57

He's not being mean though, just little.

SPEAKER_03 47:00

Just a little tapy tap. I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 47:01

Aster, I punch him in the face all the time. He loves it.

SPEAKER_03 47:04

Jesus Christ, again, here we go. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_07 47:09

Also, in the book, we know that Shane's got a fucking rock hard boner right now.

SPEAKER_03 47:16

Oh, yeah, poor thing.

SPEAKER_07 47:17

You know, they they really they really make it seem cute and everything with the genetic stuff because but in the book, in the book, he's Shane's mad. Yeah, Ilya, Ilya goes to leave and he's like, Are you seriously gonna leave me here lately?

SPEAKER_03 47:32

Right. Like he, I mean, so when Ilya leaves and Shane turns around and he's like, and I thought I thought of that too, because he like turns around and kind of like wipes his eyes and like you know, like resets himself. I'm like, honey, there is more to be reset. There are some other you need adjusting. Yeah, you need to do you need to do the you need to do region, you need to do the up and tuck. The up and tuck. Yeah, just just reach reach around there, get get that worked out.

SPEAKER_07 47:56

I also love the little eyebrow or eyelash pull that is very clearly a a Hudson thing.

SPEAKER_03 48:02

Little, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 48:03

And those things are are so fun because I feel like those are like the little things that that follow them everywhere um that bring authenticity just to like whatever role that they're playing because everybody everybody has different things that they do. So we go back to the boring party.

SPEAKER_03 48:26

Boring party, which um the lighting I love in this scene. They're just they're using all those globe lights that they already, but then there are these um these like tall table lights that look like stained glass.

SPEAKER_07 48:39

They do.

SPEAKER_03 48:40

And I'm like, I feel like those deserved a better scene because those are those are some really nice nice little visuals there.

SPEAKER_07 48:47

Maybe it was a restaurant or something. Yeah, those are definitely like centerpieces.

SPEAKER_03 48:51

Yeah, you see Shane get the text message Penthouse One, and as soon as he checks it, he clocks Ilya, who is 100% not fucking looking at him. Because I already sent you the message. You got it. We don't need to make eye contact, I was either.

SPEAKER_02 49:12

Yeah, but I but I will say I have questions.

SPEAKER_03 49:16

How does he know when time? How does he know when? Does he leave right then? Does he wait until he sees Ilya leave? How long after?

SPEAKER_07 49:27

I feel like right I feel like there is probably like an understanding of like Okay you leave at a certain time and then you follow after not long after. Or follow not long after.

SPEAKER_03 49:41

Okay. And then again, logistics. This is if this doesn't matter, you can make fun of me, that's fine. Um how does he get in?

SPEAKER_07 49:51

Because you hear That's the thing I don't understand. That's good.

SPEAKER_03 49:54

Thank you. Okay. So it sounds like it's like a key card or something.

SPEAKER_01 50:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:01

I mean, maybe it could be like a code. Maybe there was follow-up, I don't know, but there's that piece.

SPEAKER_07 50:10

Us us ADHD bitches that are looking at all the details, we're like, where's the communication?

SPEAKER_03 50:18

My neurodivergency would like the roadmap. Could you please give me the spreadsheet of communication? Thank you, and good night. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_07 50:30

Shane walks in the door in the beautiful penthouse, and more globe lights.

SPEAKER_03 50:37

So many globelights.

SPEAKER_07 50:38

And then we see Ilia.

SPEAKER_02 50:45

But we're gonna have to get to that next time.

SPEAKER_07 50:51

We're sorry, y'all. Standing there because he won, he won. He won. So congratulations to him and honestly, congratulations to us.

SPEAKER_03 51:01

We're the real winners, actually. If you move you now. We are oh yep, so time to say congratulations, baby.

SPEAKER_07 51:12

We did it, we did it. We're in Vegas, Vegas, we had a little bathroom uh rendezvous. Hello, everybody. Welcome to Eated Rivalry. We have a special episode today. Uh, we have Goldie Jones. Goldie is a writer, director, cinematographer, editor, animator, photographer, and also an aerialist and world traveler. She has a podcast called Femme Future Perfect. She's created short films like Rage and I'm sorry, I tried, I love you. You've likely seen her in-depth heated rivalry breakdown videos on TikTok, Instagram, and threads. You can find more about her and her work on her website, goldythejones.com. Goldie Jones, welcome to Yeated Rivalry.

SPEAKER_03 52:04

Yay! Woohoo! Go team. So, everyone on the pot, they're very they're used to us being slightly unhinged. So we apologize in advance if at some point Nat and I go after each other or I think I don't think Nat will burp. I feel like that will probably not be a feature on Tunis.

SPEAKER_07 52:22

I have two photos with me today.

SPEAKER_03 52:23

Yes, so no guarantees. Um, so I will I will start us off with our first question, which is a heated rivalry-based question. Um, kind of low bar question here. But what is your favorite technical scene um from a filmmaking standpoint? And is it the same or different from your favorite scene as just a fan?

SPEAKER_00 52:45

Well, from the technical side, I think my favorite scene is the club scene because they do some much interesting lighting and camera work and things like that. I also love a lot of the scenes where they use mirrors, um, because I use a lot of mirrors in my shoots too. So that's something that I'm always a big fan of. Um but no, it's not the same as my favorite scene. Okay. Performance and um my favorite scene is actually the Russian monologue. Oh that one just breaks my heart every single time.

SPEAKER_03 53:16

Yeah. It's do you find do you find yourself, do you do you watch it kind of independent of the episode? Like, do you go back to it, or is it does it just like live with you?

SPEAKER_00 53:26

I think it just lives with me at this point. Um, I have a pretty good memory. So like once I see things, it stays with me pretty clearly. Um but I I I know I've referred to Ilya as my trauma twin in videos. Um, so like I just identify so intensely with that monologue. Um that yeah, it just really, really hit home for me. And I think, you know, from a technical perspective, as a filmmaker, like sometimes the simplest scenes are the best, that are the ones that you connect with the most emotionally. You don't need a lot of fancy, complicated camera work to really connect with an audience. And I think that's something that Heated Rivalry does really well. A lot of their scenes are pretty minimal coverage. And I know that probably a big part of that was because their budget was small. An easy way to really save your budget is to just not get a ton of coverage of all of these different angles and just shoot exactly what you need. And that's something that I really appreciate as someone who's been an editor for 20 years. Like when I go into direct something, like I know what coverage I need.

SPEAKER_03 54:34

Right.

SPEAKER_00 54:34

Um, so I don't shoot a bunch of extraneous stuff that never is never gonna get used in the cut. Um, and that's definitely something I saw immediately watching Heated Rivalries. Like they were so clear and clean and crisp and you know concise with what they did choose to shoot.

SPEAKER_03 54:53

Yeah. Which is, I think, what has gotten us all into trouble is that's why we want to like break it down. Right. Yeah, you just want to like break it down because it is such a like cleanly made and purposeful show that you go back to a reheat and you're like, haha, I got something new. And you feel like you've found like the new Easter eggs and things that that lead you to other parts of the story.

SPEAKER_07 55:16

So or in the for me, I was I was coming off of my hyperfixation with Severance when Heated Rivalry came out.

SPEAKER_06 55:24

So like I was you know, geeking out about all that and find re watching all the episodes and finding, I think leading up to the next season premiering, I think I watched the first season like five times because I just was like, I have to find everything.

SPEAKER_07 55:38

And I just think it's it's so it's so good, I think that people are making this kind of content and this kind of stuff because you know, in this age where they are saying we should make shows where you're repeating the plot a million times because people are looking at their phones, it's like I don't want that. Give me give me the severance, give me the paradise, give me the pit, give me the heated rivalry.

SPEAKER_03 56:02

I yeah, I do I remember early on posting something about that. So sorry, um, that I didn't watch it with a second screen, and I was like, that hasn't happened in such a long time. And it's it's such a rare experience now.

SPEAKER_00 56:18

Yeah, absolutely. Like, I remember maybe I shouldn't call out the new Frankenstein movie specifically, but I was watching the Frankenstein movie and I I love Guillermo Getoro, I love the cast, the production design was beautiful. But by the end of it, I was looking at my phone until I realized that I the like climax moment of the movie was happening, and I'm like, no, wait, what's happening? And I had to like put my phone down and be like, okay, pay attention, then it was over.

SPEAKER_06 56:42

Literally the same thing happened to me. That is so funny that you say that. I made I was like, we have to rewind it. Like, what just happened?

SPEAKER_00 56:48

I okay to Severance. Severance is also an incredible show that I absolutely love. And um, Jessica Lee Gagnier, who is the cinematographer for the first two seasons, and also directed what I think is the best episode of the show, um, the the one that was focused on the wife and her journey. I have never like just been so enthralled by the direction of an episode that I literally had to stop in the middle of the episode and look up who directed this. Wow. It was the first thing she had ever directed, which is astonishing. I mean, she has a huge career behind her as a cinematographer, and I love seeing cinematographers step up to being directors, but also it means she's not coming back for season three because she's gonna make her first feature film. I'm super excited before, but I'm so nervous for season three of Sovereigns.

SPEAKER_01 57:39

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:40

Oh, I hate that feeling. I hate that feeling of like why did you tell me that?

SPEAKER_00 57:47

Well, but Stiller's not coming back either. Like, Apple bought the show from them, so it's a whole new group of people for season three makes me so sad.

SPEAKER_07 57:57

I mean, the first two seasons, I mean, the first season was just incredible, and then the long wait-that's what made me laugh when the second season came out. People are like, This is so great. I can't wait for season three. And it's just like you either wait three years or shut the fuck up. Listen. You're gonna wait and you're gonna like it.

SPEAKER_01 58:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 58:19

Okay, so um, in terms of editing, you had brought that up. Um, when you are working on your own projects, how hands-on are you in terms of the editing process and what does that exactly look like for you?

SPEAKER_00 58:35

I edit everything that I shoot. Um, I am the editor. Um I I also have somewhat of a background with um visual effects and stuff like that. So I tend to be fairly hands-on with that as well. Um my last short film, I'm sorry, I tried I love you, is a 10-minute short that had 13 special effect shots, which you wouldn't necessarily know from watching it, but a lot of the um the shards that float in the air and even like on the floor and on surfaces and things, it's a mix of practical effects and CGI to kind of enhance it. And all of the stuff that's happening with her skin is again a mix of um practical effects and CGI. And I went back and forth with my um CGI guy, who's a friend of mine that I worked with for a really long time, who's worked on like Benjamin Button and a bunch of like shells. Yeah. Um, and we went back and forth on like exactly what those crystalline shards were gonna look like. And I finally ended up just like compositing a couple of different versions of them that he had sent me into one to get the exact look that I liked. Wow. Um, so yeah, it was it was a process getting like exactly the right like texture of those shards, shape of those shards floating in the air.

SPEAKER_03 59:49

Yeah. Is that rare for somebody who directs a film to be as involved? And I realize maybe a short film is different from a feature, but would that change if it was a feature length?

SPEAKER_07 1:00:01

Yeah, because you are working on a feature right now, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:03

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:04

Yeah, I'm in pre-production on my feature film directorial debut, um, which is so funny to be considered a first-time feature direct a first-time director when I've been directing for 20 years. Yeah. Um, I'm about to direct my first feature film and I am gonna be editing it. Um, we'll probably bring on an assistant editor to help out with it. Um because we're gonna have a pretty accelerated post-production timeline just to meet our festival deadlines that we're shooting for for our festival strategy. Okay. Yeah, it's that's unreal. It's all happening very suddenly. I know. You're doing an entire year planning and getting ready and getting all the pieces in place, and then all of a sudden it just goes. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:45

Um how to hurry up and wait, and then also all of a sudden someone presses play and you're like, oh shit, oh shit, oh shit, we're going.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:51

This is how we're gonna go.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:52

Oh my god, oh my god. So relative to so you're a writer as well, and so relative to like a script and the way actors interpret a script, how where do you find like that middle ground as a script writer and a director giving that freedom to actors and like when to let them take it and run with it, and when to like that whole process is mystifying to me because I know a lot of people heard about um like the hospital scene in Heated Rivalry and how it was interpreted and how it ended up being kept in the show was not necessarily what was planned. And where's where's that sweet spot? How do you find that?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:36

Well, I think that's one thing that Jacob Tierney and I definitely have in common is that you know, film is collaborative. Um, I saw an interview with him where he was talking about if you want to do something alone, go paint or write a book. But if you want to make films, you have to collaborate with people. Um and like I learned really early on when I was still in college when I was shooting um like the my senior capstone project for um my college degree, uh, I was directing that short film. And you know, there was a moment where one of my actors, I got so lucky with such an incredible cast on that short, and one of my actors was delivering a line in a way that I hadn't anticipated. So I just asked her, like, why are you saying it that way? Right. And she explained her internal logic to me. I'm like, oh, you're right, actually. That makes so much sense that your character would say that line. And that just was like light bulb moment for me, just like really trust your actors to know their characters and create that space for them to like fully inhabit that person. Yeah. Again, Guillermo Dottoria was talking about, you know, 90% of directing is casting and having that right cast and those people that you really trust to hold those people you've created with care and to like bring them to life.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:53

Yeah, and treat all of those feelings and emotions with respect because it's not it's not a joke. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:00

Yeah, right. Yeah, I can't imagine that that like what Rachel must have felt like going in. You know, they had there they did like lots of like TikToks and things like that where they're like shaking the characters out of the book. I'm like, and she and she even shared like a photo of like this is when it was real to me that like these were the people that like lived in my mind for such a long time, and then all of a sudden here they are, just like walking around and like, what do you do with that? Like, as and she's a writer, she says she's a writer for a reason. Like, she just kind of does her thing.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:30

Yeah, I guess how does that feel for you right now with your future film?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:33

Right. Like, do you does it make you feel weird? Do you feel weird? Are you okay?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:38

I'm so excited. I am so excited about this script. I am so excited to shoot it. Um, I think it would be scarier to be in Rachel's shoes where you know you're handing over your baby to someone else to interpret.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:53

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:53

Um, and you know, letting someone else take this thing that you gave birth to and just give it a whole nother life. Um, and the trust that that takes too is huge. Um and I've been on the other side of that. Like, I'm sorry I tried to love you again, was uh an adaptation of a short story that a friend of mine that had had written. Um and you know, the short film was very different from the short story, but the heart of it was still there. And I've talked about you know adaptations in one of my most recent videos of just like staying true to the heart of the story. And my friend who wrote the short story was so on board for the film, like even with the changes that I made to the story to make it translatable on screen, right? Um, she was my biggest, biggest champion for making that film. And like she came to our premiere and she was so excited about it, and she like was an incredible help with you know the crowdfunding process and stuff like that. So, you know, really connecting with the material and being really supported by the person who like created that story to begin with, like really lets you know that you're heading in the right direction with the story, not you're making something special.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:01

Yeah, yeah. And that must be a really great compliment too, right? As a filmmaker, to have to have that. Like it just, I don't know, gives you all the feels. You're like, hey, I did that. Like I did that, like I'm I'm I'm doing this and I'm doing right by you. Like, all right, we'll take that. I'll take that and run with it.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:17

Yeah. And I think it's important too that these kinds of uh translations are happening because there's so many book to movie that are just awful. That I mean, you might as well just throw the book in the garbage and made a whole new story, you know? And I think for me, that's what was so um interesting about heated rivalry, because I had just never seen something adapted that way and that that like true to the story itself. And obviously, like you said, there's certain things that needed to be changed in order for the viewer to have as close to the same feelings they were they that you would have if you were reading the book and getting all of that information. So that was cool for me to be able. To like see. Um, but I after watching that, I was like, I wish that now people will take movies and turn them into books.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:09

Right, like the other way around. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:12

Like, I want to know what all these people are thinking instead of opening what they're thinking.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:17

Yeah. Did I am I remembering correctly that you said in one of your videos you haven't read the books?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:22

I have not read the books. Um, I I want my responses to the show to be just purely based on the show because I feel like that's my unique lane. Like Valentina is doing the cinematography. Um, Kay is she's the one that really has the expertise in like the adaptation because she does know the books um so well. So I think where I can add value to people's watching experience is the fact that I do have this really broad set of skills as a writer, director, editor, so that I can cinematographer, so I can look at all these different elements and see how they play together. I mean, are are you a reader? I am a reader. Um I just haven't read those particular books. I read mostly sci-fi and like I've never read books like heated rivalry either. So yeah, yeah. You haven't read it either.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:12

I I mean I've never read books like Heated Rivalry. I've read the the two of them. I've read them and that in a long game. I'm trying to read Game Changer and I've been stuck in the middle for weeks.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:21

She's she's stalled out. I'm not I'm not a romance person, I'm not a rom-com person. I just never have been. Um, I just think for a lot of them, like you know, I'm in my 40s, so I came up with a lot of the like 90s, early 2000s rom-coms where there was a very specific formula that happened over and over and over again. And there, yeah, there was we know. You know, they meet, there's some contention between them, they start to fall in love. There's a big blow-up that may or may not be like logically motivated, but needed for that like third act turn, and then there's the final coming back together in resolution, and it was just that same formula over and over again.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:02

The only one that is excluded from that and can do whatever it wants is when Harry met Sally. Everyone else sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:08

That was earlier, that was like late 80s.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:11

That was the blueprint of it.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:14

Yeah, that was that was my my gold standard was when Harry met Sally, but yes to all of the other rom-coms. Because I I'm like a I'm a I'm a Gen Xer, and I yes, so I am firmly in the like it's yeah, it's abysmal. The like and it it just changes when it's a queer story too. But then also I just like would like to deliver my trauma on a silver platter of you just expect the story to be tragic.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:41

So even coming into this and even coming into the books, like I I'm not a huge romance reader. So the whole like happily ever after is guaranteed thing. I was like, What is it? Are you sure? Do you promise? Because I don't believe you. Like, seriously, I was always skeptical. And especially if a queer character showed up, I was like, this is not real. This is there's no way this is not gonna end well. They're gonna get chicken pox and dysentery, and you know, like something's gonna happen. So I completely, I completely, I completely send the mess. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:12

I mean heated rivalry just has such a sincerity to it, and the conflict isn't manufactured, like it's it is real world issues like internal and external things, like obstacles that are real to the real world. I know that you know Jacob Tierney refers to heated rivalry as a fantasy because they don't always deal with like you know how extreme the homophobia within the NHL is. Um, like there are some elements that aren't like true to life, but the struggles of the two main characters are very much so the mirrors.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:49

So that was the thing that at this similar time we crossed over because I have a mirror obsession and I very ineloquently, and I will own up to the you know, I did. It's eloquence is not my strength. If you give me a long time, I can maybe get there, but it's just she was very excited about it. I was very excited about it because I was like, y'all, I need you to pay attention because if you didn't on your first watch, you gotta do it when you start over because it's everywhere.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:17

And once you see it, you see it everywhere.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:19

You can't, you cannot unsee it. And then I saw your video of the breakdown, and the one that really got me. And I'm so upset that we talk so slowly about the show. We do, we get through like each episode of our podcast, we get through like three minutes of the show. It's horrifying. So we're eons away from the funeral scene. So Zelia and his brother. And that has to be my favorite mirror scene. And so good the pacing of it and the different lines that are said, and when you see one person's reflection and not the others, huh? So I if you could just talk to me for like two and a half hours about mirrors, I would just I am volunteering myself to if if you just like need a sounding board on that subject, I am your person. That didn't have a question, that was just me wanting to sympathize about mirrors. Sorry. End of speech.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:17

Well, I mean, I think I've made at least three videos about mirrors, the use of mirrors so far. Um, one of my most popular videos is the The Mirror in the Gym.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:26

Oh, yeah. Um yeah, that's when we that's when she first gaped out about the mirrors.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:31

Yeah, yeah. Um, and it's very, very much like you can really see the influence of um in the mood for love with the mirrors specifically, because that is definitely a huge part of that film. Um and yeah, it's it's interesting how the mirrors are used specifically with Ilya and his brother, because his very first interaction with his brother, like his first and his last interaction with his brother in in the season, are both him being split by mirrors because you know it's New Year's Eve, right, when you know he's in that hotel room alone. Um it's it's the first time we see him interacting with his brother. We've seen his father already, but this is the first time we see him interacting, having any kind of interaction with his brother, and we immediately see that him being split in two when he's trying to have a conversation with his brother.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:19

Um feel so validated.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:23

To have that same dynamic in his final confrontation with his brother, yeah. Um, and have that resolution of like losing that part of himself. Like I talked about it in my video about him, you know, the side of himself that is trapped in the mirror with his family. Right. Um loses that, he lets that go in that scene.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:44

Um and then, like from a technical standpoint, it's just insane the way that they're able to use the mirrors to get everybody in the shot. And I mean, we have this, we have this other beautiful thing that we know about it to be true. But then just for me, like taking that extra step back, it's just like, damn, yes, like y'all really did that. Y'all got three people in there, and then you made that work to where it was beautiful. Right, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:07

Yeah, no, it's definitely interesting trying to shoot around mirrors and not catch any of the crew or any of the gear or any of the lights or anything on all the reflections. Um, I I actually have a video coming out soon that's a breakdown um of rage, one of the scenes in there is in a teeny tiny bathroom where you see all these reflections of the character. Um, and I have a beside behind the scenes photo where you can see the entire crew crammed into the shower to get the shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:35

Oh, I love that. Yeah. Oh, that's that shit's so fun.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:39

I love that.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:40

Oh, that's so great. Yeah, I always wonder like how I I want that shot, right? Like, I want the like the far back shot of what the hell everybody's doing and like who's like crammed against the wall and is like, oh god, I gotta stay out of it. Like that's yeah, I love that.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:55

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:57

And so kind of speaking to that, in terms of media literacy with social media and access to all these different things, like, have you seen uh what what kind of media literacy are you seeing in the people that are like consuming your content online and maybe like in terms of like before heated rivalry and after heated rivalry?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:21

Well, before heated rivalry, my audience was almost exclusively like other screenwriters and filmmakers. Um and the heated rivalry videos, I think, really welcomed in a whole lot of people that maybe didn't have the language or um the specific skill set to identify certain things, but they knew something was happening. And their engagement with my videos of like learning about you know the cinematography and the editing and like the blocking and how all of this impacts the audience has just a lot of them have talked about how it's completely changed how they watch TV and how they watch movies, how they approach you know, understanding stories, um, which I love, which I think that is great, that you know they're so excited about that and like not even just just applying it to heated rivalry to but applying it to everything they watch at this point.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:16

Um and I just love, especially like my audience on Instagram, like we just nerd out like you know, hundreds and thousands of you know, comments of just like talking about you know really breaking down you know the emotional impact of all of these like technical choices, you know, how a shot is framed, how the blocking is choreographed, how a camera move impacts how you interpret uh a scene, how it makes you feel when a camera moves in close versus when it's pulling back away from you. Like all of those things have a psychological impact, whether you're aware of it or not. And I think talking about heated rivalry um has just given people a window into why those things impact them and how they impact them, that I think has been a really fun exploration for everybody. Um and I just love the fact that like this really unexpected show has given me an opportunity to just teach so many people about filmmaking and all this stuff that they didn't necessarily like consciously think about before.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:16

I mean that that's me when I'm watching the club scene. As soon as as soon as it cuts to slow motion and it starts going around the back of Shane's head, I literally just start screaming at the TV.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:26

I'm just like every time not to mention the the that song choice is just was just so pivotal to my life when the beat dropped the way the gasp that came out of my soul when the beat dropped from that song. Involuntary completely. And I yeah, I can't even, I couldn't even put words to it. I like, yeah. So the club, I'm so happy that you said the club scene from a technical standpoint because I did like the lighting and everything from that. So I think I think maybe our final question, no promises.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:01

I have one more and then we have our final question because this is something this is something that I didn't talk to you about. I didn't tell you about this.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:08

You're such a cheater. You're such a fucking cheater. I thought of it while we were doing this. Oh, come on. Well, I'm asking mine, I'm asking mine anyway. So we not and I joke all the time about you know giving ourselves the ability to contain multitudes because this is obviously just this is a passion project for us. This is something we do for fun. Um, so you do a lot of different things you and have done and and have over the last you know 20 years or 30 years of your career. If you had to choose your particular wheelhouse of talent that you had to focus on, what would it be?

SPEAKER_00 1:17:45

Oh, you can't make me choose.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:47

She's like, you're giving me Sophie's choice on a side. I know.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:50

Like, well, I know, I know.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:52

No, no, I'm just I mean, I'm just to me, they all fall under the umbrella of storytelling.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:58

Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:00

So for me, they all are just different aspects of the same thing. Um, you know, writing is storytelling, filmmaking is storytelling, photography is storytelling, aerial is performing a storytelling. Um, so to me, they are all just aspects of the same thing. So it wouldn't even need to be a choice between anything. So it's just how do I choose to tell the stories that I have to tell today.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:24

That's a very that's a slippery answer, but I accept it. She fucking dunked on you, dude.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:30

She totally dunked on me. That's all right, I deserved it. That's fine.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:34

Um, but I wanted to bring up one last thing about the show, because this is something that Liz just recently kind of picked up on, and so we're kind of keeping an eye on it, is the use of fire in in different shows. So Liz, you're you're you know about that. So talk about it.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:51

Yeah, so the um the fire showing up when the two main characters are together. Uh so starting with the lighter click in the very first scene where they meet, and it actually clicks when they make eye contact and have met, and then it appears in various like apartment shots. So it's in Ilia's house during the tune right before the tuna meltdown. It's in Shane's apartment in Montreal in episode two. It's in both, it's when actually they're apart in episode five, and they're both watching um Scott bring Kim down onto the ice. There's a fire underneath both underneath both televisions, and then at the very end, they've got the fire pit. So it's like it's it's a very eternal flame. So we did embarrassingly on one of our pod episodes, we we may have sung part of Eternal Flame. That was a that was a thing that happened. Um, so do you do you have any takes on symbolism of fire at all?

SPEAKER_07 1:19:53

Yeah, have or have you even noticed that in your in your watch throughs?

SPEAKER_00 1:19:57

I mean, I've definitely talked about the lighter a couple of times. Um I think it's really interesting that like before we see anything, we hear that lighter click. Oh, yeah. Um, that like that inability to like get a flame um to get it. Everybody knows that feeling when you can't get a fucking lighter to start. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:16

So true. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:16

That frustration, that struggle. Um then, you know, after they first shake hands, it finally lights for them, there's a spark, there's a flame. Um fire, you know, as far as the symbolism of a fire, it is often used to symbolize passion. So there's obviously like a passion thread um through for those two characters, but it also is security and safety, like you know, in our very primal, you know, brain from you know, way, way back, fire provided safety and security for us as a species uh against predators. So there is this like deeply lizard brain embedded sense of security around fire. So and I think that really, especially in the um that scene with them around the fire pit at the cab at the cottage, that one really feels like more more about security and safety and home comfort than you know, the earlier flame being so about passion. And I think that that is true of like the thread um of like the evolution of their sex scenes, you know, it goes from like really passionate and then like blossoms into this like security, this safety, this warmth with each other.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:32

Yeah, the story, the story that the intimacy tells is just insane.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:36

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:37

Yeah. That's awesome. Thank you. Yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:41

And then uh yeah, so now we have a little just like random question. Um, what are your three favorite movies or TV shows that made you wish you could have written them or worked on them or anything in that realm?

SPEAKER_00 1:22:01

That's a good question. Yes, there are so many there are so many that I love for so many different reasons.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:12

Um is always what's that? I I was just gonna be like, I would die if you were like, well, I really like the trolls movie. And you know, like just come up with something like completely out of the completely out of left field.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:32

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:34

No, Children of Men is a really interesting one to me. Um, because we were talking earlier about how you know a lot of times screen adaptations are not nearly as good as the source material. Children of men is an example of the exact opposite, where the film is brilliant, it's incredible. Like the writing, the performances, the technical execution of that film, like everything about it is brilliant. The book is terrible. It is a very bad book.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:03

Um I'm glad someone saw it and was like, I could fix that.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:07

I could fix it. I'm gonna do it. They literally took character names and the premise that women can no longer have children and made this incredible incredible, absolutely incredible story out of that, and like abandoned everything else about the book.

unknown 1:23:22

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:23

I know what matters here out of this book, yeah, um, and I can make something incredible with this. And he did. Um that would that would be an incredible challenge to take, you know, and at a book that's not necessarily the best book, but has the kernel of a really incredible idea and turning it into something that powerful that had something really important to say, um, and also really push like technical capabilities, like the really long one-shots that they pulled off were really incredible. Although sometimes those long one-shots like pull me out of the story because I remember watching Children of Men in the theater. Yeah, and you get to that big final, like climactic battle scene, and I'm just like completely like engaged with the story, and then all of a sudden I go, they haven't cut. And then I'm just out of it. Right, right. Right throws me back into the theater.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:18

You're yeah, you're immediately trying to let map it out in your own head. You're like, all right, where'd they start? Shit. I would I feel like if I knew almost if I knew too much about film, that it would inhibit sometimes my ability to like and enjoy it as a viewer because suspension of disbelief is hard, especially if you if you have so much of so much knowledge about the technicalities of everything.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:40

Right. And it's it's I'm I'm often curious about that too with filmmakers that it's like, do you get to just go to the movies and like chill? Or do you always end up being like, ah shit, I gotta get my notebook, like I gotta, you know, like I got I gotta call that person because that would that that was fucking wrong. You know, just it would just like stick with me all the time.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:59

But I'm also I also have other problems, so that's it definitely does change how you engage with stuff. I do love when I do come across a story where I just forget to be paying attention to the technical side of things um and I just don't even notice. That's when I know the story's like really got me engaged. Um but I mean at the same time, yes, you're gonna notice when like there are two moments when in Heated Rivalry where people were just like that shy of like their they hit their cue just a beat too late, and like, oh, I would have done a different take of that. Um but uh there's also like the appreciation of when it's done really well, you know, fair that just kind of adds into it and just like really fully appreciating like what went into a performance. It's like when I watch an aerial performance as someone who knows what goes into it versus someone who doesn't necessarily know anything about aerial, like I think some of the best experiences is when you're performing for other aerialists and they're like really like encouraging and supporting because they know what it took to get to that point to be able to do that thing. Um so there it's pros and cons, you know, it can go both ways for sure. Um but it's always interesting, regardless. And I mean, I wouldn't be making these videos about heated rivalry, and like even before heated rivalry came out, I was making videos and I'm starting to talk a little bit about like Interview with the Vampire and other shows that I felt like um I wouldn't be making those videos if I didn't enjoy that part of the experience. Right, you know, right, right.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:46

Fair enough. Fair enough. Awesome. That's great. Well, thank you so much. We are so beyond grateful that you agreed to come talk to us two idiots.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:59

But before we let you go, is there is there anything about you, about what you do? What what do you want our listeners to walk away from this knowing about you?

SPEAKER_00 1:27:11

Um, well, I did just launch my Patreon on Friday.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:16

I did so yeah, if people I'm going to do the full scene breakdowns over there because they just don't do as well on social media. Um I think Patreon will be a better platform for the longer form videos.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:31

Um, so that is available over on Patreon. Um but yeah, and I also will be having a feature film. We'll be going into production on that in very shortly. So I'll be sharing a bunch of behind the scenes stuff on the Patreon over there as well, and probably a peek or two on social media. Um yeah, just continue.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:54

Well, once that comes out, if you still if you still have time for us, we'll have you back and you can tell us all about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:00

Yeah, absolutely. How crazy it is to get an independent film made in this day and age, in this economy, with the industry where it is, like that's a whole hours long conversation.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:14

I can only imagine. Yeah, I can only imagine.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:17

And then also being a woman. So Right. That's that's a whole other that's a whole other bag. Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:23

That's that's our two. Yeah. Well, and especially right now, too, because we had started to make a little bit of progress and seeing a little bit more equity behind the scenes. Um, and with the current administration, we've actually seen a backslide. Of course. Of course.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:42

Of course, there's no there's no oversight. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:44

Right. So yeah. Well, and also people are just pulling back and feeling like they have to do that because they're like, oh, we're we're being enabled to not have to consider all of the voices anymore. We can go back to what was easier for us to begin with. And um so there hasn't been as much of a push to make spaces for people who haven't necessarily always had a voice. Um so that's a little uh disappointing. Um, but I don't think that it is a permanent trend. I think I agree. I think with with the success of shows like Heated Rivalry, like The Pit, um, like Andor, like all of Severance, all of these shows that are inherently incredibly political and like a more broad open worldview, like audiences are responding to that. And as long as audiences are responding to that, the industry will rise up to meet that demand, I do believe. Um they may want to try to force Fiji some more like manly action stuff, um, and you know, propaganda stories, but audiences just aren't responding to them the way that they are to like more genuine stories, more accepting stories, like more inclusive stories. So I think audiences have a lot more power than they think they have to drive what gets made. I agree.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:17

Yeah, that's awesome. I love optimism.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:20

Yeah, look at us go. I loved that. I needed that today. Everything's gonna be okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:25

My little heart. Thank you for that.

unknown 1:30:29

Who knew?

SPEAKER_07 1:30:30

Well, thank you so much for coming. We had a blast talking with you, and hopefully we will be able to have you back maybe when we get closer to episode five. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:42

Episode five is my favorite. So we're big, we're big episode five fans here.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:48

That's that's the favorite of the podcast.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:51

So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:52

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:52

Club scene through episode five. Yes. Yes. All right. All right. Thank you so much, Goldie.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:59

Have a great day. Yeah, you too.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:02

All right. Are you all ready for a little fick wreck sitch? What do you think?

SPEAKER_07 1:31:08

Take it away, Liz. Take it away.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:10

So I have I have two this week. Yes.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:14

I have none. I just keep reading, I just keep reading bad bad stuff. I can't keep I can't keep recommending sex stuff to you guys.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:22

I mean, you can because we like the sex stuff. So this one that I have to recommend is called Vibes Are Not Data. Data? Data? Data Data.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:32

It doesn't matter. I think they're they're interchangeable, I think.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:35

Yeah. So the summary is Wyatt was not like nosy. For sure, he was interested. He was curious, he was engaged with people, obviously, because most people were interesting and engaging, and he had cool thoughts and said neat stuff if you asked. So, no, Wyatt wasn't nosy, but he wasn't stupid either. Or a bromance blooms in Ottawa, or the ballad of Wyatt and Ilya. Aww. Super cute. Uh, so we will share that one. And the other one that I will share, because I am a chronic multitasker, and I have such a hard time. If I sit down and read, especially at night, I will fall asleep, I will drop a book, or my e-reader on a face. So I like to do audiobooks. So we are gonna share a link to a search to podfix if people haven't explored the world of podfix and listened to them as opposed to reading.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:30

And in conjunction with that, we have an on the table offer from none other than our own Matt who I'm dipping my I've dipped my toe. Uh-oh. One thing toe.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:48

But if you're interested in her services, yeah, if you want me to read your if you want me to read your fic.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:55

And it's and it's not like 30,000 words.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:59

Like, yeah, we have word limitations. I have a job. She has a full-time job. So I th we're what are we saying? Like 4,000, 5,000 somewhere in that neighborhood.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:08

I feel like if it's I feel like if it's five, five thousand is probably the max. So if you have one and you want me to do it, I'll do it. Just tell me.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:14

Yeah. She is more than happy to provide support for your parents.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:19

Alexandra, sound off. Tell them how good I was.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:22

Yay. See what you can do. So send it to Nat. You can find her on Thread.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:28

Yeah, and Podfics are fun. I mean, I feel like there's so much stuff that people are are reading and passing around, and I really don't feel like I've seen a lot of people talking about Podfics, especially random.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:37

So there are a lot that exist. So I feel like you know we gotta highlight them where they are. So yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:46

All right, so we're gonna get into the yeets now. Yeet it close us out. Um I feel like we need a theme song for yeats.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:55

Can you write a Kurt? Yeet No, no, drop that.

unknown 1:34:00

Oh god.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:01

Oh god, I have regrets. Oh, that's do you know what that is? I do know what that is, and I need you to stop immediately.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:08

I was like, if you don't know what that is, then I'm in trouble because that would have made no sense to you.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:15

There are plenty there are plenty of things that don't, but no, you're you're good. All right, so that's where we're yeeting. All right, yeeting.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:22

Yeeting out is invading, we're invading people or we are yeeting out, invading people's privacy. There is some shit going on with fanfic writers and these people that are attacking them. I don't understand what the fucking deal is. There's some shit going on where they're sharing pictures of children. It absolutely not, absolutely fucking not. It's illegal. I don't know if that's true.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:46

I don't know. Whatever.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:48

It should be if it's not. Um, and yeah, like if people don't want to be perceived on here or they and they want to exist within the fandom as an anonymous person, they can do that. If you don't want to engage with people like that, then that is also your choice. Um, and especially with fan fiction, that no you didn't pay for that, you didn't buy that, nobody owes you anything. No, so fucking stop. Real in your shit. Yeah. I mean you.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:18

Yeah. I'm talking to you directly. Yeah. Uh so with that said, our yeet in this week is wholesome fun. Because wholesome fun is kind of the basis of why everybody joins a fandom in the first place. To you know, have in common something that you love with with other people and to, you know, meet other people and build community and that kind of thing. So just to shout out a couple of things. So one being Bella, who is doing the bracket for the kiss of the day.

SPEAKER_07 1:35:55

So good.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:56

So good. I mean, it's just distracting is all hell, but it's so necess it's very necessary work for the fandom. So I need everyone to participate.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:06

For science.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:07

For science. Um, and the other thing is like the harmless fun stuff, like for April Fool's, the everyone changing Yeah, the Shane, the Shane Anigans, the Shane The Shane Anigans, the Shane again. Like it was so funny. Was it visually challenging? Absolutely, but like harmless fun. Complete harmless fun. And so, and yeah, just really funny.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:28

Like, I mean, yeah, I think it was I don't remember the account. It was like haunted something that started it. Yeah, I think haunted histor haunted. I don't know. I'll have to look it up. I don't know. I I saw it today. You know who you are if you're listening to this, shout out to you. Yes, that was funny. It was funny, and I know that I'm pretty sure they're doing it again uh May for May 1st. They're gonna do it for Ilya, and everybody's gonna change the profile picture on May 1st to Ilya. So my gosh, y'all keep your eyes peeled for that. If you want to hop on the bandwagon, there is plenty of room for you.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:01

There's plenty of I did I did especially love, I wasn't on threads very much on April Fools because April Fools stresses me out. Uh, but I did love that the Shane pictures had like tiny variations.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:13

Oh, yeah, people started doing that. That shit was great.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:15

So they had like there was like a little crown or a bow or like glasses or whatever. And I was I was like, God, you fucking people are like absolute or Chris Crissant Williams.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:26

Did you see that?

SPEAKER_03 1:37:27

Oh my god, I saw that one. I was like, oh fuck you, you and oh god, we love you, croissant Williams. We do.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:32

Oh my god, so peel that croissant, baby.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:35

Peel it, peel it, baby. So just focus on the wholesome fun, y'all. I mean, it's and also tell us if there's somebody who needs help removing negative comments from their fix. We can be of service to you. Assemble. Also available for throat punching, chip punching, chip punching. Um, yeah, it's yeah, so um, yeah, we're not about policing any part of the fandom. We're about the wholesome fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:03

Yep. So bring it or leave it. Yeah. It's not a good slogan, but that's all I had. Come for the hot sex, stay for the warm love. Warm love.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:15

Which which and which ended up really being accurate.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:17

Let's it was accurate as soon as he said it. Oh, oh, that is the easiest way for me to describe it.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:25

Yes, that is completely what this show is. 100%. Oh my god, so good. Oh shit. All right, loons, wolf birds, whoever the hell you are.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:37

Whatever you identify as. We're welcome here. We love you. Thanks for thanks for yapping with us, and uh we'll see ya, we'll see ya on another time.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:50

Good night, Nat. Good night, Liz.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:53

Good night, loons.