In this episode, you have the opportunity to meet Pittsburgh based photographer, Sniperstreets. Streets photography focuses on documenting & visually narrating the everyday moments and events of humanity. He has recently released his first independent, physical publication, a zine, entitled SAY HIS NAME. Containing 53 photographs, the zine documents four protests, over the murder of 17-year-old Antwon Rose II, of Rankin, Pennsylvania. To pre-order SAY HIS NAME use the link below. ALL PROCEEDS GO TO THE FAMILY OF ANTWON ROSE II.
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Welcome to babysit. 0144 Rawness of reality. I'm your host, Kevin. Stop. In this episode, you have the opportunity to meet Sniper Street a street. In this episode, you'll hear him talk about his scene that just came out on June 19. How he goes about street photography and what it's like to really strong, have an open dialogue people don't really always wanted. But enough from you. A
lot of my photography has me, like, out on the street, just going out into the world and, like, photographing kind of whatever I run into, It's kind of like ironic, So I just kind of, like, stuck with the last name. Yeah, And when I was in college, a lot of people called the streets and I never gone by like it was like, I don't like a nickname. It's kind of like started digging it like, Okay, people like this. That's what I do. Like how you say your last name is ST right? Yeah. And you really incorporated that into your hole? Yeah, it just kind of like it worked, you know, like, I don't, like, push it or, like, try and do anything Super extra with it. It's just like it work. Yeah, that's funny. Because my last name's actually stalker, right? And I don't push it. And apparently, it's everyone else. It works like they all call me stalker. Yeah, And if you don't know me, you're like, Why were they calling money? Joe? Oh, my God. Do grown up was hilarious for everyone else. They thought it was the best thing. Every like last night. Stalker people loved it. I didn't mind. After a while, there was one kid that's probably, like middle school knows, like elementary school. He thought it was funny to call me sidewalk because ST that's hilarious. And, yeah, it was whatever. I was like, it was the first up. It's the only time anyone's ever tried that. But I don't know, I was okay. That's like, what some Nathan for you? Humor? I don't know if you've heard of him, Eric. Andre, have you heard of the aircon rations? Like that kind of humor where it's like, Come on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's exactly what it was. Yeah, that's that's funny Streets. And so you go. Bye Streets, You our sniper streets on instagram? Yeah, that was like the handle. They will, you know, when it came time to light, make a name just put on the Internet. That's kind of what I went with. Are you Are you like American sniper with With a camera? You never missed a shot. Yeah, not an asshole, But basically, that's cool. That's cool. Could you could you tell? I listen, there's about what kind of photography you shoot and what to expect from your new zine. So, um, I'm basically like a photo journalist or a documentary photographer. I mean, what interests me is every day, you know, getting up, just putting the camera around my neck, whether I'm going toe work or going, you know, to the store, whatever I'm doing, just having the camera with me and just being ready for whenever I see something that interests me, whether it be a person or something physical that somebody did or some architecture it it could be anything. So it's kind of, um, you know, just, you know, stepping outside my door every day and just like taking on whatever the world brings my way or whatever I walk into, you know, it's not necessarily about like going out to make photographs. It's about going out and being ready to make a photograph. Should you immerse yourself and completely around you completely, just kind of being like, uh, not necessarily the fly on the wall, but, you know, just familiar. Yeah, yeah, Don't even think, uh, the world's fascinating man. People are fascinating, even if I don't necessarily agree, or even if I feel uncomfortable in the situation. Like the moment I'm work with my camera like, you know, isn't really in the zone. My zone. Yeah, it's it's just a It's a happy place and it brings me mad joy, like when I know I gotta get photograph when I'm able to, like, interact with somebody, it's very challenging to to go out. And suddenly you know, either asked for a photograph or just suddenly be in somebody's space. And, you know, follow that gut instinct, you know, Boom, get the photo. Could you not like maybe a second or two, just depending on the situation? It's definitely and like the slang term for the street photography and is definitely to me is I believe it's the hardest form of photography to do well and maybe at the same time, also the most rewarding. It's definitely the most fun because you just never know what's gonna happen. And, um, it continually continually challenges me and opens up my eyes. Did you know new things? Where's the first location? Just started picking up street photography. Um, so, like, I just like a little background. Like I grew up around cameras. Um, well, what age? Oh, goodness. I mean, like, from the moment as a little kid, like my parents were like, you know, back then in the nineties, you know, you had a little point and shoot 35 millimeter cameras, which actually still love to shoot on just because the ease and workability on did you know that transition toe, like digital cameras and then phone? So it was just something I always had I didn't seriously consider or think of, like, Oh, I'm gonna do photography. Until I dropped out of college the first time and I had just taken like, a basic Internet digital photography because, uh, what I'm like going into that second semester, and I'm like, Okay, like, here's the classes need Let's do everything else easy. Like Bruce, my g p a up a little bit. I saw photography like, Oh, I've been doing that for years. Like that'll be no problem, you know? So I kind of like my parents graciously bought me a DSLR, and I just hung on to it, and I kept shooting here and there, and I was a football player in college and high school. Wide receiver, wide receiver? Yeah. I mean, that was the without football. I wouldn't have gone to college. I wouldn't be who I am in a lot of ways today. And, uh so I kind of had this feeling that football was kind of slipping away, and I just had absolutely no idea what I really wanted to do with life. But I knew I wanted to do something I enjoyed. And then just from their kind of figure out, like, Okay, how do we make a living from this? So, um, year, year of 2015 I'm just left school on back home. I'm living with my parents and my parents house in Alabama, working and in all these and just on my free time, I grabbed my camera and drive. You know, the 25 miles to downtown Birmingham and just walk around and take pictures. And so I basically just kind of learned that way. And then, of course, like looking at what people were shared on instagram and, you know, down the road, starting to light, pick up on, you know, photographers from before instagram. And that was when I think I really started to learn and figure out I kind of like an avenue and just started to gather. Some riel developed some real intention behind the lens because I think intention, especially in this day and age when there's just like massive content pushed out every day, is like mad, important, like, Why? What? Who are you doing it for? You know, and then how does that relate? Um, I took some photos last summer. I was waiting for the bus and there these kids playing on a trashcan like three kids in a month, and I just instantly saw myself because, like my mom dragged me and my five siblings around were kids everywhere. So it's like there was emotional, um, emotional relation there. If that's the best way to put it. I actually told me about the first time we met. Yeah, like I When Whenever Aiken, you know, whenever sometimes, you know, I see something. It's just like, Boom, shoot that. And other times, like, you know, I relate to it, you know, hypothetically. Or maybe I'm curious about what's happening. Um, anyway, so you know, like they, like, caught me taking a picture of them, caught final the trash can And, uh, so then, like, they want to see the camera. So I let him see the camera. They started taking pictures of each other and yeah, it was I mean, any time I get to do that with anybody, well, kids, especially you gotta think about the experience that's going through their mind. Maybe that's the first time they've really touched a nice camera. And, you know, it's funny. Is the kid he always or like the kids will always be like, Where's the picture? Where's the picture? Because they're used to the digital world. Film is like 35 millimeter. They don't know. Yeah, what that other usedto instantly. And then the older generation. Ah, Iran. I was in Walmart last summer. I was shooting a Nikon F three at the time, so it's, you know, hanging around my neck and I run into a guy. He recognizes the camera, and we talked for, like, 30 minutes in the middle of the aisle, and he ended up giving me a really nice and larger uh for free. Oh, that's kind of like another example. It's like because I'm shooting film when somebody recognizes somebody you know older than me recognizes that, you know, they instantly like excited. You see somebody young still using, like an older medium. And I think, um, I don't know if I want to give the credit to Instagram necessarily. But like film has come back in a way, it's very interesting. House Come back. Things that would have been so frowned on aesthetically years ago are now like popular now, like light leaks and just or scratches on your film. Blemishes basically are like pop culture within light. I don't know no one called pop culture there pop culture for kids shooting film. I'll put it like that, I think because film is tangible, something we can hold on to that that is becoming more popular because we're seeing our society go to phones and technology so much that everything is not you can't really like. Hold on to these, right? It's not. Yeah, um, you know that. I remember when Instagram first came out. And, you know, we had these little film filters, like all those filters air built around. You know, Phil, you know, like, high level photographers. Like I get it, they laughter like, you know, I could do that with any camera. Go. I think over time, like we started to figure out like, Oh, that's from film. Oh, I can't go to CVS and bison fill my go on eBay and by a cheap best that lard for a few bucks. And oh, now I couldn't send my film off to be developed. I think people just kind of started to figure it out And like, Oh, this is fun, you know? Suddenly start doing it. Uh, that's that's awesome on. Do you Have you met a lot of people doing it now? Yeah, Yeah, I have. I see. I see. You know, especially if I'm, like, around all of the colleges, maybe like point Park or just a market square, like I see. You know, of course, everybody's carrying a digital camera, but yeah, you know, here and there, scattered throughout. Yeah. You see, somebody carried in an old SL law school, you know? So it's always fun. You know, those people like to go up in, like like, hey, what film you're shooting like, How long you been working with it or what? Not. You know, just like I think it's really cool how you will just go out on the street and take a picture of anyone. Yeah, like I think that's also tonight. I had a conversation with you about it. And then, uh, the reason why is because I was sitting somewhere. Uh, it was a market square. Um, this will give you guys a little background on how we met. So it was a market square, and I was sitting down, writing some notes and directly behind me. There was another guy, and I think he was also writing something down, But he was he sitting on the ground, he was sitting around yeah, having its light pole and and apparently looked looked a really symmetrical. Is that right? It wasn't even that I just saw two people who had a one was sitting on the ground. What was sitting in the chair and you're both doing the same thing. It was really kind of a juxtaposition of, like two people doing kind of like the same physical task, but like in kind of a very different situation, like how they were using the space. Sometimes it's not even about the person. It's about how the persons using the space, you know what they've done with it, you know? Yeah, I thought I thought it was really funny how I was writing something, And then I looked to my right and I just see you with this camera is I'm thinking myself. This guy's taking a picture of me and and then I I think I asked, Are you a photographer? Yeah, and then we have, like, a 30 40 minute conversation. Least 40. Yeah, yeah, it was really cool on dhe. That's that's how we met. So I just think that's awesome. How you have the balls to literally take a bicycle to put anyone like that That takes that takes a lot of confidence. And that's what I mean by like it's challenging to enter people's space. There's moments I'm ashamed to say. It were like I ducked out of the picture, and, uh, but that also pushes me to do better. Um, and that's again why? Intention is so important? Because when I first was taken images, it was on a digital camera. So it's easy to be shutter happy. And I just, like, shoot anything. I'm not really knowing why you just get in content, right? Yeah, just figuring it out. So, you know, it's not that, like, if somebody gets mad at you, you're gonna be able to explain your way out of it. But at least knowing why that's big for me. It's not like, Oh, yeah, I just wanted, you know, I just love you up. Camera. No, like your hair's your pants. I love your outfit. The way you were sitting, your demeanor, the look on your face. It could be anything or intentions. You're you're sitting on the ground, you know, um, and recently I've actually been pushing myself to walk up and make contact first in some situations where I just want to get like, a portrait, and I don't know why that's more challenging for me than just, like pop it into somebody space and getting the camera. I think because What I've realized is I've been slowly starting to get some of my film back. Just like I'm always shooting more than I'm developing. Uh oh. That's that's the fun part, right? Yeah. It is also just like, uh when I get tired of shooting Pittsburgh, I'll get tired of it. You know, I'm not like trying to light. I'm not rushing the process. What's your favorite part of Pittsburgh to go? And, uh, anywhere there's a crowd. Okay, so three rivers are tested thing. Yeah, I was there. I was there the opening weekend. Okay. What do you What do you think of the three starts fast. And I didn't get to go last year, since I've only lived here for almost a year and 1/2 now. So it was a lot of fun. I mean, no, we went down to have a picnic. So, you know, like we're walking down like I'm taking pictures, we sit down to eat. And, like I remember this little kid came open like had a soccer ball. I just like I reached for my camera was like, you know, just anywhere matter. Like, I don't have to be in like I'm shooting pictures. You know, whatever the pictures there, if I could get it, it's good to have you, right. You said, You're all you gotta do is put hair around your net, you know? And then the rest is I learned that from Ricky Pal. He said, You know, if that's too much, then Ricky Power. I'm not familiar. He's a man, a legend. New York, New York, New York Street photographer today, Ricky Pal Ricky Powell. Yeah, there's a documentary that really there. There were certain moments that, like, really like Like, I remember the first time I saw Bruce Gilman's work and I was like, Wow, I'm doing street photography Wrong, Like, this is how I've always wanted to do it. Like I like to look at pictures where I feel like I'm right there. That's why I talk about, like, getting somebody space like I'm not there with, like, a 50 year in 85 like I'm shooting my 28 prime time there and, uh, everybody Street was one of those moments, too. When I watch that documentary and I still have watched it more times on account, I still go back and watch it because uh, I'm always trying to glean or learn something from somebody wherever they're at, you know, if they've got significantly in. Yeah, I'm not familiar with that word. Anything. It's like, uh, it was like, a fancy word for, like, what? Pick up I Maybe I didn't even use it. Right. Okay, We'll get our facts. I So I do this all the time. I just look up the definition of the word. I serialize Siri's, uh, you ever like, you hear a word used somewhere, and then you try to use it in a sentence and you keep using it, and then you realize, Yeah, here we go. So I glean is like, extract information from various sources. Um so, like, I might type in, uh, so, like, Bruce killed an interview on YouTube. And it's like watching all those interviews or, like, you know, find written articles. Everybody streets, one of my favorite docks. I always go back to it because there's a lot of different photographers in there, and it's them on the street. It's them in interviews. And, you know, I'm constantly picking up something new from them, and then I can take that and put it into what I do in my own way. So greens of urban. It's basic action, sir. Then I I u i gleaned to prepare for this discussion. So then I have a question about something that I found some of your work and I was wondering if you could talk about it. So master reality? Yeah, I didn't really understand, but I I did like I liked like what was going on, but I didn't really understand what I'm watching. And then I was wondering if you could help. Or maybe that's the bell. That's some point, because everybody says that and I get it because so how mass reality started. Like, um, let's give Let's give the listeners a little background on what master reality. So mass reality is under his YouTube channel, Sniper streets or UN notes. It's probably that's underscore space streets Probably. Yeah, that's your YouTube channel. And underneath that you have a video called Mass Reality. And it's about 24 25 minutes long of various video and pictures. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, it's like a massive realities. Real things that happen. Um, okay. When I went to learn Adobe Premiere, which is a video editing software. I was like, Well, I have to have content. I have to have some audio to work with just to figure this thing out. And for the past two years, I had just been randomly shooting video, randomly collecting audio in that same way where I'm on the street and just like it's like, Boom, take that. I don't know why I was taking the video. I didn't know why I was thinking audio. I just knew I had to capture it. And that's the same way it is of my photographs a lot. So now I finally like, Oh, cool. I'm gonna get to do something with this. Like I always knew this day would come, you know? So, um, I started toying around with it, and then I put it off with my projects. You know, when it's when it's on my own time, it could sit on the shelf for six months, and then I come back around to it just cause it's like I hit a wall and it's like, Okay, well, like be there. You know, if I don't figure this out, it's like I don't have the energy anymore. That I'm not gonna, like, stick with something if I'm not having fun with it. You know, I think a lot of times when people put something on a strict timetable, like now your intention is like, Oh, I gotta meet this deadline and not just make it the best you can. You obviously, like I can watch mass reality now and see things I could have done better. But it was about, like, getting it to a moment where it was like, Okay, I'm ready to put this out. And it wasn't even gonna be public because since there's like, a lot of my home is in there, I just sent them like, Hey, like I made this in the process of teaching myself Adobe Premiere. What do y'all think? And they're all like, You know what? I think this is dope. I'm like, Yeah, it's basically like a short film, A short documentary, and I somewhat formed a narrative of it, but it's basically just a mass of reality is a massive moments. I'll put that. Yeah, that's what I was captured from. Yeah, with a little bit of me sprinkled in there with the and I did the photographs the way I did. Um, I'm trying to remember the music video. Kindergarten Mar did, um, it was from it was one to pimp a butterfly music videos, and he had type in there. But it flashed up on the screen so fast, you didn't know if you saw it s so I just pulled that idea because I didn't want the doctor be necessarily about the photos. Now, when it did come to like, um, being in Washington D. C. For the inauguration. I didn't want people to see those photos because I thought it worked so well with the trump audio in the background. But everything else it was just fun delight. You flash up like, Oh, did I see that? Now I'm gonna keep watching and some people like, Oh, no, I gotta go back. You know, it's like it's like a little gem for whoever wanted doing just around. So everybody loved it. And I was like, All right, cool. I'll just I'll put it out there. People see it. You know, the only is the only public video I've Yeah, I couldn't find anything. Yes, so, you know. And then So So that was the only public video you've done. But now eyes it. June 19th Jean 16th June 19 June 19th You will be releasing your first zine and a zine. For those of you who don't know it is a short form magazine, um, that is created by an individual like himself or a group of people. Um, And the scene, it's really cool. Neat idea. Could you talk about what we can expect to be in using? So this seeing, um it covers basically four individual peaceful protests from Antoine Rose. Um, again, I was just there for the 1st 3 because I knew I had to be there. Um and then by the time the very last, I want to give away too much. But the last protest at that point, I knew when I was photographing it like a zine will come out of this eventually. Um, I have a lot of you. There's a lot of other project zines in the works down the road. I want to go. If this one it just kind of worked out because of the timing. Um, Wednesday will be the one year anniversary since his death. I mean, that's when that's when the pre order will be live. And, um, all the money is going to his mother. Michelle. Kenny, if anyone's gonna make money off of, you know, these photographs, Tonto issue, I completely agree, but, you know, it is I really hope that it's really embraced and a lot of people by and share it. How many copies are you making? I'm not sure. That's why we're doing a pre order. Okay, I'm on a shoestring budget, so I'm trying to be, like, physically. Are you crowdfunding safe? Um, not at the moment. No. Yeah. That looks like it is the business side of all this is like like I'm a photographer. Um, that's like, that's my weak spot, but I've had a lot of other people around me. Help me. It wouldn't It wouldn't be happening without them. Teamwork makes the dream Absolutely. Is so vital. Yeah, is when I'm trying to do things that I'm not good at, like I just, you know, just get frustrated. We'll see you in years of playing sports actually comes into play when it when, like you were a receiver. So So you're a team player. You get your Yes, you run an individual route, but the quarterback has to 30 the ball, you know? I mean, where I have to run a route to pull this safety. Oh, yeah? You got this far of exactly. Throw a block? Yeah, hopefully not. I'm kind of small. E. I'm sure you enjoyed the crack back blocks. Yeah, just go. I go for your legs. Yeah, but the point I'm making is that you understand what? When they ask somebody for help. And I think football teaches that it teaches camaraderie and to to know that you're not alone. So that's that's cool that you continue to not rely on other people, but continue vital. Yes. You continue Thio to literally speak up for one need a hand, has good zines, air fun because it's allowing me to work out this process, you know, down the road. I want to put out books. I have books in the work. And so I look at the scene and being a big hip hop fan, it's kind of like the mix tape, you know, like figuring it out. I'm putting my first. This is the first physical product I've ever put out. You know, it's not digital. It's not very many pages. It's gonna be like 75 75. That's, um that's more big Zine magazine. It is big. Isn't that a magazine? Basically, if you're doing it by pages, have you're doing it by definition? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's funny. Like when when I was even aware of, like, what is He was until, like, maybe six. I wasn't until I met you. Really? Yeah. I was the first. Totally brand new. And so when I saw this, it's super hip. Stay. Hey, love it. Yeah, I was like, Oh, snap, I didn't do this. I like it because I have been thinking, like, you know, I really want to find a way to like, because I tried doing prints like going to art stuff like someone prints and whatnot. And I was like, Okay, this is something like where I can really take my photographs and get into design and narrative and some of these places I wanted to be in. And so do you do describe the surroundings and photographs. Oh, you mean, like worry? Other brief descriptions anywhere? No. No brief descriptions in this one. There is. There is some type. Okay, Um, but no, No descriptions material. What? He means as far as the paper tiger semi gloss something. Okay? Yeah. Um, and I say that is to be completely truthful. Like we're, like, backs against the wall to get this thing, like, available for the pre order Wednesday. But it is. It is gonna happen. It is gonna happen. What, are you estimating the cost per person right now? Uh, I don't want it to be above 25. Okay, to be truthful, I wanted to be lowered. Well, 75 pages. There's a lot of work. You you have to understand why people, I think the respect that amount of work, um, so around like 18 25. Seems like a pretty yeah, and I mean, the fact that we have to give it to a printer. It's fine. You know, next scene, the 3rd 1 definitely by the third printing, will be in house. Okay, So cut down that cost like that. We're sitting it out like I got an invoice back yesterday, and I'm like, too much. Yeah. Other other printers. Um, I'm truthfully expecting it. I mean, it could be my hope is that it's lower than 20. I believe I can have it literally 20 because, um, you know, I want people. I wanted to be like something, you know, switch when they look the price like Oh, yeah, no problem Coming from your shoes to being a creative. And it's it's like, this is your own baby, right? Yeah. And you're also so you have this work, this work that you've compiled and you've created a scene And you wanted Thio be like a good price for people to respect it and buy it. But then again, you have that other side where all the proceeds along the Prophet persons goto Antoine Rose's mother. So then again, it's like it's it's not necessarily a bad thing if it is over 20 because, uh, the family event one rose the second is receiving right, and they're actually so like, another way. I look at it. There's been a couple months ago, there were two Z's. I wanted to get the time. They're both $25 I was just too broke to look like I I could have bought 25 you got Xena is like $25 spent the wrong way bills to pay, you know? So I kind of look at it a little bit from my perspective as well. And just understanding that, you know, he also Antoine, you know, grew up in a poor community, so you only have a few bucks. Like you're good. You could still get that, you know, And, uh, you know, provided like it does. Well, you know, I mean, obviously, I would love for his mother too, gathering a lot of money off of it, But I'm gonna be grateful, Like, for whatever amount. Um, well, that's not even your entire focus with it. No, no, no, not at all. Because, you know, there's a message behind. Absolutely. And, you know, I'm just I'm just excited that, like, I'm finally ableto like, put something physical out to the world. I'm excited, Thio. I'm really looking forward to it. I if you guys haven't seen as we're check out your instagram. What's the heads of Lycra streets at snipers? Just basically like it's funny, cause you're like, I guess my YouTube streets or Sniper Street? Yeah, not even on their numbers. Just so people like if you Google sniper Streets, you'll pull up my stuff will be a tumbler website. Instagram. Whatever's under that. Yeah. Could you talk about two fellow creatives S O? I noticed your layout on Instagram has kind of changed a little lately where you put the white panels, right? You put three white panels and then you put three picture panels and then you put another set of three white panels and then it's another set of three white handles. As you scroll. You see that? Um, it goes in this this order. But when you put those white panels, other people who see your posts are only receiving a white panel picture, and that's three in a row. And I could see some people being agitated about something like that. But coming from a creative like yourself, what are your thoughts in it? And does it does it? I think it looks aesthetically pleasing when I go to your page. So how does that doesn't make you feel what it's like? Far is that page like is definitely like for the aesthetics. It's more to show you like to like break up the work so that the works not all running together and you can see that this set of 12 images with the whole project in this set of three with the whole that's that's really cool, basically because yeah, because like at one point last summer and I got this from what I saw childish Gambino do this first on Instagram. And then I saw Kanye do it. Mmm. For Valentine's Day, His and he was new to Instagram of the time, which is unique. His feet was blank. He shared 50 images of basically like celebrity couples. The 51st was him and Kim, and that was like it was there for a couple days and he deleted it. I was like, Wow, like that is beautiful in a place where it's like I feel like the Internet just has so much stuff on it and it's always there. Like he put something there briefly. It was like a virtual gallery that you could come, too, and then it's gone the same way. Like, Okay, here's the gallery in a museum for the week and then it's gone. You know, it was like this momentary thing. So I actually did that when I first shared the photos I crafted from the Antoine rose protests. They were up on my instagram for a while and then they were gone. I thought I was gonna do the same moving forward. I did it because I realized, you know what? Like it's important tohave what I've done there recently. And so that's why I started just doing like the Three Blank post. And at first it was totally blank, like I wouldn't even put anything down there. I mean, even with my photos like I'll put information, maybe like the date the event I don't caption in or anything because it's like the photo should speak for itself. If it's a good photo, you know, I don't need to, like, add my words to it at all that, uh, but recently with the blank post I've started, like writing something in there. I think it's so cool because people would actually like the blank post. And that amused me so much. Yeah, that's funny And like, really over the same time, like somebody just be my home, like they get in the comments and, like talk trash or whatever like this is great. But I was like we were, like, just be a little more interactive, like, say something. Even if it's like I ate a bagel this morning. Yeah, just interact a little bit, you know, because I know for me personally, I could be, like, super reclusive, and I don't care at all. I don't care how it comes off. That's just that's my space. That's, like your comfort zone that we come. Okay, I'm in my house for a week working on stuff for him out about. Yeah, um, but yeah, like I'm, like, open up a little bit. I was reading. I was reading them, and and some are just, like, cut catching me off guard. I was like, Oh, okay. But one of the most recent ones were like, I finally did it. Yeah, but government prints in. I was like, Oh, he's talking about the scene. Like so I thought that you don't really obscure like that. I enjoy being obscure as as do it. It's just it's fun to tease like that, you know, just like what was he doing? Yeah. What? What is the print? Yeah, Yeah. And, um, you know, like even in the process of making the scene and the process, like a lot of my process is just super organic, You know, I get into it and I'm working on titling last night, and I'm working. Working on, like, this isn't working, you know? So you just figure out another way, you know, kind of going in with a plan and then just totally deviating from that and doing something totally different. Um, I think it's easier for me to create, like, when I'm in the space. I'm working if I have to, like, plan it out. Like, OK, this is what we're gonna go with. Like sometimes just hard to even come up with the idea, You know, like, I have to be active. So, uh, is there any advice that you give to a person who just picked up their first camera within the past year? And they're looking to be a photographer, but they don't know where to take it or what did you Where did they? Yeah, I would get on YouTube. I would Google how to shoot and manual, And I would start there, and I would learn that, and then I would go outside my house or in my house or whatever. I would just have my camera with me, and I would just start taking pictures the same way I did. Just start taking pictures, figuring it out, messing around if you're setting. You know, um, there's always there's always at least two ways to do the same picture once you understand. Manual, um, could you elaborate on what that means? I'm not nosing my best. Um, you know, like, if if if I took your portrait right now, um, you know, I could do it. I could change. I could. So you have your I s o or your essay, which basically is telling your light meter or telling your camera the sensitivity of your film. Whatever's that makes sense, you have your aperture, which is basically like, ah, hole, uh, in your lens and that whole can widen. Our Titan was controlling how much light is coming in, and then you have your shutter speed on the back. So you have this little shutter that's gonna, you know, pop up and allow that light to come in and hit your digital sensor. Your film? Whatever medium you're working with your old glass plates. If you're doing it like the old time you guys four by five. You know, like in the cartoons where they go under them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, so basically, because I'm gonna try and give light a better example. Would like I would mess that up too much. Uh, if you change just one of those things, just change. Just by changing. If you've set it up one way, you could change one of those things and then adjust the other two settings to do the same picture, you would get a different. I think that's correct. You would get a different effect, aesthetically, because you're crafting the photo different technically, but, I mean, you study subject matter why it is the same photo. Okay. Yeah, that's cool. So says that one more time there is three yet, So I s o aperture and shutter speed. Those air like those are the three. Um, I get the three technical pieces a sw far as your cameras concerned that you should be concerned about to understand first. And then, of course, you're gonna go out with the world and you're gonna start thinking about light. And where is light coming from? A No. The light's bouncing off of this building and hitting down here. You know, my shooting into the light and my shooting against the light flight to my back. Um, all sorts of stuff. What's your ideal setting for a photo? As for it is a fallacy. Um, would you not want an ideal setting since you kind of just go out there? Yes, you are more likely. Just go out there. Just take something else. I do. I do. I do like a lot of sunlight. Okay. I like to know what I like about the place. Yeah, I guess so. We only have 190 sunny days a year. Yeah, few between Which is funny, because when I lived in Alabama, I wasn't shooting a lot of film at the time. I came to this place where I was, like I knew film was the direction I wanted to go in, and I knew that. Okay, kind of what I've done digitally like that's great. But I'm gonna have to kind of take a step back and really put in a lot of work and not really have anything to show for it for a while. Well, I, you know, figure this thing out, which is another reason why this scene is so exciting. I've recently been striving to get better at as well is just like you can listen with a stubborn here. Okay, I listen to you, all right? Yeah. You know, Well, you're just hearing me at that point right there. You're not hearing their correct? Yeah, you know, you know, um, and just, you know, also, like, you know, putting little things into perspective. You know, like, OK, I'm sick today. Well, I have this building, But you know what? My health's more important, so All right. Hey, I gotta I gotta call off today. Yeah. You know, we I've found it's, you know, there's certain things in life. I was just far too emotionally attached to in some form or fashion because I wasn't looking at it with a proper or healthy perspective. Okay. You know, it was, like, lower or higher than where it should have been, I guess is the best way to put it. Would you say you're getting that? Yeah, I'm striving, striving to find just that balance. Just balance and everything was cool. And, um, like our bodies, man, like we're messed up. We're all just messed up. So for me, it's It's it's It's, uh, it's a spiritual place being a piece of your spirit. Yes, that's where it starts because, like, you know, like, you see the clothes, you see me, but like me is what speaking album to you from this. But this is just the shell I'm living in. You know, eso also kind of looking at myself like that, like Okay, well, like, you know, maybe you didn't Hey, didn't like, you know what t shirt You were there, but it's all good. Like that's just the T shirt you wore over what you live inside. Yeah, it's hard. It's hard to have. It's hard to have healthy perspective if you don't have truth to, you know, um, no, that's that's verified. And I think you're right about that because it is hard to have any perspective. You can't be honest and truthful with one yourself and then to those around you. But one you have to be truthful to who, who you are and what what your intent is right. And the way you carry yourself, the actions that fall a and the choices you make and that that all comes full circle to create you and men, especially just It's got, I think, like constant reevaluation and saying that you have to fail the win. You know, you have to lose to gain a lot. You know, you have to mess up, maybe to figure out Okay, Well, this is how you do it. I'm I'm next. So great A family. Yeah, I'm a great family. Yeah, Yeah, I have. Ah, I've strived to do well and never fail. But I've realized that while doing that I felt so much. But learning from that failure has rated this month's. And that's and that is what keeps pushing me healthy. Expected? Yeah. Not like, uh, down in the dumps. No, I know you have an opportunity now. Opportunity. Yeah, it I tore my a c l ones I don't surgery about Yeah. Yeah, I read. I tore my mother a CEO. I didn't get surgery. I felt the pressed for a while, and then it was eating me up, eating me up, and it's still torn to this day. But I realized I took it as a lesson as an opportunity to to do something different, so I couldn't just get that depression hold of me and keep injuring myself doing like I mean, I was running, but it was just like the mind is. Yeah, it is so powerful. It was It was insane when it happened, but I realized that it was a lesson for me, and there's some growth to be learnt here. So that's that's how how I'm striving to be, I would hope that's how we're also each and every day. Um, because, like, you know, uh, I think I think, you know, again, some things I picked up from football, You know, you get knocked down a lot in football, so you have to learn how to pick yourself back up and then just, you know, taking kind of like that same aspect and on and her same approach in life. You know, it's not about what happened to you. It's about how you respond to what happened to you. You have you have a choice, you know, in a situation like this happened to me. But how am I gonna respond to this? Yeah. What? What? One of the next right? Because that that what determines what gets you where you are is your response to everything that comes your way. And oftentimes that could be unfair. Cruel? You think about a kid, you know, and in a bad situation, it's not like there logically proper. You know, this thing is just coming up regardless, you know? So you get down the road, You know, maybe no one ever brings, you know, shares at them like, yo, you know, you could It'll be painful, but you can actually, uh, unearth and get rid of a lot of these birds just by going back and saying, like, you know, Okay, this is what happened. This is what was done to me, and this is how I responded to it. But what is the appropriate response that I should have had? And Oh, you know what? It's not my fault either. Let's put the blame appropriately. Let's put the blame where it should be. And okay, now I'm gonna have this new response because now I have truth in this area. That's yeah, that's doesn't That's another thing that I recently, you know, just around midday, just stopping like, why are we feeling like this? You know, and just like just working through it and like okay, is what happened. And I mean it like a baby stuff from years ago, bro. You know, I mean, we carried this body. We carry everything. These memories and emotions, they're just in their tumbling, you know, like a dryer. You see the clear. Just that you're not even conscious of it until somebody or something in life, like, shakes it all the suddenly comes out, you know? Oh, snap. Where did that come from? Yeah, no, that boat. You know, we're so I'm like, you know, we got to go to job. We got We got so much stuff going on in this society so much we gotta do. People don't even have time to even think about the fact. Oh, I got I need to do if some crazy I gotta survive every day. Yeah, um, it's it's tough, but like you said, it's a balance. Yeah, and it's 100% worth striving for. Oh, yeah, definitely is. You needed interviews? You D'oh! Yeah. How can How can those around you have peace if you yourself don't have inner peace, right? Yeah. It's not exactly what we feel off each other's energy. So, um, this is not the first time. Burst time and there's the first time for based time. Okay, let's get it. Oh, yes. Is there Starburst? Let's go. I hope I don't get sued. Eso First time means we're gonna eat some starburst. I'm gonna ask streets here some quick questions. They could be quick or I'm not like a long winded person. That's okay. That's okay. We're just gonna crack these ever. I got all pink. It was like watermelon. I think I love all the Stover's. Not sure. Take us many as you want. Okay, Put him here, So Yeah, Sideburns. Please don't see me possibly put you on right now. Uh, so based time. Here's how it's gonna wick. I'm just gonna ask you some random questions. Obscure things sometimes come to my head. Sometimes they don't. They're very basic. Uh, I'm gonna start with what's your favorite star based? The one you just handed me. Not even not those. Not these. This one. As a good morning. You should keep the rapper than pocket. Well, these were so good. Well, I'm working at most. You be good to think about this all day. New smother burrito. Yo, what this I want this, my boy shut up to vote. A man would always bring in candy, which I love because, like new little candy doing your work, you know what's even funnier? Another story. My first year playing football. Eighth grade. One of our senior wide receivers. Another guy I love candy. On Thursdays before game, we'd have, like a light practice, just like helmets. Shoulder pads was man would be out there of gob stoppers on all Candies in his pocket, eating candy and practice. I just started like you know, what's up, Christian. Just like stick that hand in there, grab some candy like he already knew what was good. That's cool. That's really cool like that. All right, so most inspiring Photographer Oh, man, is it criminal toe bite a Star wars Not eat the whole thing of ones to some people feeling that people are weirdos like you should be able to eat and enjoy this beautiful piece of candy. However you design Okay, right? Better E. That's what I wanted to do it, But hey, all right, there's no Valionis because there's been so many moments where either and the inspiration is always different. Sometimes not initially there. Photography. It's like how well, like Joe Meyer, it's class example of somebody's not necessarily his work admire, but how well spoken he is. Because I don't necessarily consider myself a person who's well spoken, um, like, abrupt and blunt and often will commute, communicate something poorly. And that's, you know, I think I'm gonna have to go. Bruce killed? No, because that's the guy that he's popping my head just because when I first saw his work, it impacted me so profoundly burst Gildon Bruce killed in yeah. Review. Could write a check, any amount of money. Give it to charity. Would you write the check? Yes. If you go to any water part, what would it be? And why the beach? Because the beach, that's a terrible answer. That question I got my I got my shit because I grew up going to the beach every summer and, well, Pat, we you know, we passed by the water park. Always. I don't know why we didn't. I just like my parents just weren't about, like, paying for six kids and themselves to go. That's quite a bit. Yeah. Yeah, that is, um but having gone to a water park or two. Now it still doesn't. The big as my guy Rizzo in Muppets Treasure Island says the Big Blue Nothing beats that. I'm gonna stick with beach, all right? And anything you want to tell the listeners that's coming up. We even if we've talked about it, something that obviously please support the scene. Antoine's mom, The pre order will be live win today. This Wednesday, 6 19 Um what? What do they get it? So it's funny. Like I have a big cartel up now. Cartel Cartel? Yeah, I think that's what we're gonna do it through because I have a poor habit of like What? What is that? Sorry. Hotels like Mason Online Shop. Basically, Um, are you going to link that to your instagram? It will be linked to my instagram. Okay, how about your link to my Web site tonight? Procedure sniper ST dot com. And that's on your instagram you Earl bio spot. Yeah, that would probably be the best place to go. Yeah, that that's probably like this. Next time we do a podcast like all this stuff will be done. You come to people way ahead of the process. I'm not gonna be such a new, but Well, the thing is, so say his name, by the way, as the title of the scene. Okay, I'll say you say his name. That was a sign that was present throughout the protests and a champ that was present interesting, entire part of the protest. So the scene is very much a documentary of the people, the environment, the events, the moments that took place. And, um, I think my most one of my most joyous things about it is, um, just how and I want to be careful how say this because a photograph could be honest and still misconstrued or and sometimes, like, I won't even look at a photograph in like, I kind of have an idea of what's going on. But it's still very relative. And what I like so much about this project is just like if 50 years from now or 100 years from now, someone picked this up like there would be, you know, 70 something, you know, beautiful photographs of this event that took place. And I want to know more about this and they get on whatever some futuristic Internet you know? Yeah, They go back in a hologram or something in there, like, you know, right there with, you know, wherever we're gonna be in a knot. It's scary. Yeah, I hope I've passed peacefully by that. Do you do this with you? I'm not from the future is gonna be nuts. The chance they said, Say his name. His name? Yeah, And I have a sound clipping. Uh, Gina. Jimmy job. You sick? I do not. He, uh he's the lead singer of the Uptown Woods, but he also this is his own solo project. Um, I'm just gonna play this. Yeah, so fast.
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Yeah, I mean, when I first started listening to a lot of hip hop and It's still kind of blows my mind today that, like, even if your ideas were outdated or just wrong or different, however, you wanna put it like when someone puts it that eloquently, that straight from the cut and like you cannot empathize with that. You know, that's why this keeps happening. There's a, um and it's funny you brought the audio up the material we're gonna tease out on social media for this pre order. It's photo with audio. It's just like that. And, um, there's a photograph is my favorite photograph in the book of the scene. Uh, it was a market square. You know, the funny thing about Pittsburgh being a small, dense city, bigger than what I'm used to, but yet still small and dance, which I love. Um, you see a lot of the same faces. So this is the first time I had seen this couple seeing multiple times since there's a couple sitting, uh, at at the table there. You know, there's a colored tables. Man's on his phone. The lady has her hands over her years like this, I s closed. Behind her is a protester for fist raised. You can see the protesters around in the back. You can see a sign for Antoine's name on it. And I mean, I took several photos of this because when I saw what was happening, like, I realized the power of that frame, the story that was there. And then there's kind of, like just coming into the frame on each side, like, you know, somebody's arm. Whatever Emmy just form wise. The photo is excellent. I think it's an excellent photo is my favorite in the book because it perfectly illustrates where I believe we're at today in a small sense with, uh, I guess you would say race relations. I'm sorry. I'm always so careful about talking things that I'm not the best field. I'm feeling the best well spoken, but basically, this lady is not listening. She refuses to listen. Yeah, it doesn't matter what you you can't even listen. Mmm. No one's forcing you, but you can't. You refuse to listen. You know, that's that's insane. I can even visualize what that looks like. And that kind of, um I'm gonna kind of speaks to what? I am gonna show you the photo. Now, let's speak story society, right now. And, you know, we share information so quickly, you know where the most connected we've ever been. But we have to be open to receiving it. Absolutely. You know, uh, would you Would you like any service? Well, they're probably probably probably the doughnuts early this morning, too. Uh, here it is. Wow. Insane. You know, that's that's, uh yeah, I mean, there's no worse. That's it. Lecturing powerful photo a second later, you wouldn't have gone. It is that guy. It is about the walk in front in minutes. Yeah, I think you know it's for a salmon. The lady there, they kind of work. They just added, kind of like Nat Balance and almost unnatural shows the the circle around, right? Yeah, as if he's here than this wraps. And you're a part of that. But for her not to even. Okay. You disagree, but you can't. You can't open to hear another that will end this. This is a sign of disrespect, right? That I can't even hear myself right when I'm saying right. But it was it was the physical act, because it's such a sign of disrespect and and it's It's like your cause. means nothing to me. I don't even have. I don't even have and I want to respect for you. Listen to me. That is a perfect example of what white privilege is. It is the environment where there are just straight. There are things that we, as white people do not have to deal with. Yes, yes, even if we have to deal if it a little bit, we do not have to deal if it's on the level that poor classes or black culture has to do with it. Police brutality is absolutely nothing. When if that if that was in a white neighborhood and the kid ran out of the car in fear, there's no wait. That kid would have gotten shot. I mean, that's That's my there, isn't it? And that's if anything, he would have gotten taste. Exactly. And there's some audio a part of this material we're gonna put out, Um, where, uh, on activist speaks to that. The fact that, uh, the officer, Michael Rasta, did not follow appropriate police procedure. In fact, the activist even says he didn't follow his training. I would even argue a little bit that he didn't follow his training, but he's a victim, too. And the fact that, you know, as a white male, if if he's growing up in the suburbs, he's watching his own television programming. He's got other people's information coming at him, you know, like he was wrong. But it's like his mindset needs to change to white babies. Air not coming into the world, racist or hateful. No, baby, no, baby. This stuff's taught. And that man, that man acted out on, uh, some things that he learned that we're not healthy. Yeah, and then got away with it yet the energy out because I got off work and I ran up to the courthouse that Saturday night as the trial was finishing and, um, the energy, you know, outside of that place, it was, you know, there's I've been in shock before, you know, Unfortunately, like we all a lot of us knew that was a good possibility based on how things have been handled in the past, but still to, like, be there after right after all that effort and had been put forth, you know, and hope for the right, um, the right thing to come out and for it to be handled like that was just It's it's It's sad, but it speaks the words speak. So where our society is, Yeah, and it it shows. We do need We can't need a ship empathize outside of our own fish balls, man. Dude, it's the world is bigger than like our own individual. Well, that's why we need to keep talking and keep listening exactly, but especially us us. It's very important that we especially I'm talking about us, is white men. Listen, you know, because I've seen people in the past is like, Oh, I can tell you meant good, but like you should have listened more before you acted out. You know what I'm saying? That makes sense, because act with intent, right? Because you your intention was good. You want to help, but it's like, listen a little bit more because there's there's just things and situations and, um, experiences that we've been blessed and never have to deal with because we've been looked at differently straighter. Yeah, it's completely sure that's, uh, that sounds so basic, and it just blows my mind that there's still people who don't want to hear that don't even want to try and understand That s o we need simple. Basically, when I first heard that, it was like, wow, you know, I'm thinking back to its 2000 14. And I'm in Kansas in that school, and I'm watching on, you know, one of the B s news channels we have many of the live coverage of the protests for believed was Eric Garner, You know, is the first time as 2122. So this is the first time, like, I'm learning this. But, you know, these kids had to grow up in that. Why? Why? Why am I just now learning that? I mean, that speaks to my education What was placed in front of me? What wasn't placed in front of me so that I would develop, you know, But it from the jump, it just made sense. System Emily, this is wrong. You know, it's crucial toe todo we're not educating about No, no, we're not. We're not. And so it is continuing. It just I don't know what we need to educate each other, just like, you know, just like this. I that's that's That's a big part of wrongness of reality. is, there's things in our lives, not just us, but everyone that go unnoticed to the whole of society. But to us, they're extremely powerful. And how we learn how we grow and what we see and what we do impact that, that that thing in which creates us. So we need to have an open dialogue, and we need to be able to talk about the things we don't want to talk about, things that make us uncomfortable with the top down, because then we'll start talking about right and we'll get somewhere. We'll move forward somewhere and nothing changes. Nothing changes. No, exactly, completely. So. What is wrong? It's a reality menu, man. Openness, just like it's on the table. You know, uh, we're not holding back. I feel insecure about this. Well, let's just put it on the table, then. You know, just just have faith to open up. Um, I did want to ask you one question, because I feel like, you know, like the lady putting, you know, doing that like That's not just an act. That's an attitude. And I know that when I come into certain circles, there's certain attitudes there and how do we? And I'm just one of you have excuses like, because if someone's unwilling to listen like, there's only so much you could do. Especially if somebody doesn't want to have a mature conversation. Yeah, and that's often time. I think the big kind of like building block is somebody will, like, jump off this some of the rabbit trail and whoa, we're talking about apples, not oranges. The bull fruit. But we're talking about apples. Yeah, just because you like apples has nothing to do with it. You see what I'm saying? So, like when you've been in these situations with very likely white peers and tried to check it, Have you had success? Have you not had success? How do you even go about that? Because so frustrating. On my hand, I have an answer. And it may be wrong. Yeah, I'm known to be wrong, but most I'm gonna be right. Yeah. Uh, so let's say you and I are talking. We don't know each other and I said something to you, and you just you can't. You can't agree. You don't want to hear it. I'm wrong. I then give you an opportunity to tell me why? I know what you've laid out all on the table. I turned it around and I listen to you. I engaged in what you have to say. I take an interest in your interest, right? And then I create the common you there is now that common ground. You find the common ground by taking interest in others interest. And if you take interest in their interests, then you will inevitably find a channel in which both of you all right, we're able to communicate. And in an environment where that woman was with her, her hands on her head is not gonna be in the environment in which she has an opportunity to speak. So what then needs to happen is part of that crowd. Once they leave, a person should go up to somebody who they see is agitated or rebuking. Whatever sound is around and let them talk, you need other people to speak, and you need to have us a CZ. The other individuals toe listen in order for them to even want to listen to us. Sometimes it's about us being quiet. The one who who has a message to say to be quiet to eat last. I like that. That's on point. And that's so healthy for meeting here. Because being a very outgoing and passionate person, I'm naturally a hothead. And that kills me in some of the situations sometimes. Because, yeah, I don't, uh, act from, like, a mature patient place that place. It's like it's like, Well,
you, you know? Yeah, well, that's that's coming. Thinking everything is a lot of times, it's a loved one speaking with. So there's like, that emotional factors. Yeah. Yeah. You have to step outside of yourself. Yeah. And, uh, I think I think the crucial thing is take interest in others interest because valid will show somebody that they have your attention. And then if they have your attention, they will give you their attention. I think that's an excellent pattern. Yeah, right on. That's that's all I have. This isn't great. Yeah, So much. Enjoy. Um, and what we're gonna have you on again? I'm really, really looking forward to, you know, keep it in the back of my mind. I wanted to I wanted to come, You know, the first time we did it. And as a photographer, you know, one of the few earthly labels I will allow my spirit in this flesh to be under. Have something you know to bring to the table. Yeah, that's that's awesome. They do I The day we met, you were talking about a zine. June 19th. It's coming to fruition. Uh, so I'm excited about it. I really am. And I look forward to the work you'll be doing in the future. Do you have anything to say to our listeners before we know that Mean that's it. Sniper Street Say is named you 19th. Thank you for the support. Please support. You know, all the place at all the The proceeds were goingto Antoine's mother. So snag it up. I next a week from now. I need to be scrambling because Joe bought me out. I got to get more done. So that's a situation I want. All right, we'll see you.
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