Finding Center Again

After returning from the Big Island, Michael and Shannon reflect on emotional overload, leadership pressure, burnout, and the importance of stepping back long enough to recognize when life has quietly pulled you off center.

This conversation explores the weight we carry without realizing it, how stress slowly accumulates beneath the surface, and what happens when we finally allow ourselves to slow down, release it, and become present again.

From leadership and responsibility to perspective, balance, rest, and emotional awareness, this episode is a reminder that sometimes the strongest thing we can do is pause long enough to reset.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

I'd like to welcome all of our listeners back to our podcast unloaded. And this is Michael Seahorn. And Shannon Morrow. And we are glad to be back with all of our listeners. Shannon, how are you doing today?

SPEAKER_02 0:11

I'm doing well, man. Yeah. Yeah. How's how's the week, man? Oh, it's been a challenging week. Yeah, all good, man. Got through it, figured some things out. Today's been a better day. Yeah. Had a really entertaining moment just a few minutes ago for our listening audience. Yeah. Michael came in, he's getting everything set up, got his nice laptop all opened up, all the mics and all the fancy equipment, and he's, you know, just a little refreshment to get us through the show. He uh he has this good just bubbly water, carbonated water. That's it. He he just opened it up like you always do. And all over his laptop, all over all this fancy, expensive electrical equipment. Man, he's cool as a cucumber. He almost just kind of starts laughing. I I run and grab him paper towels, and he, you know, and I was just once again reminded, man, he just rolls with things. And I'm like, what the hell, man? I'm cussing and freaking out and stuff. It's not even my stuff. Yeah, and you're just and I ask him, man, dude, aren't you like, and he's like, what are you gonna do, man? What are you gonna do?

SPEAKER_01 1:18

I mean, I could freak out, you know what I mean, but at the end of the day, it's gonna be whatever it turns out to be. Nah, just take it, take care of it. You know, you know, the funny part, dude, is like I I've so I was not a carbonated water fan. I know we're off topic, but it's kind of a funny little story. I was never a carbonated water guy. My wife is an addict with the bubbly water, right? When we had a show, our first show of the year, our first um uh Raven 8 show at the convention center, we stayed over there at the Atlantis, which is connected to the convention center. And for some reason, man, it was it was Friday night. We we set up about took me about four hours to get the booth and everything set up and get all the uh product out and stuff. And so anyway, so that night I ordered and said, hey, let's just order some room service. But it's one of those nights where like you're not really hungry now because you've just been busting your butt the whole time, right? So I get the the uh the in-dining room menu out, and I'm just looking for stuff, and I'm like, so my wife loves bubble the water, so I'm like, okay, I'll order some of the uh the green, what is it, the uh the period? Yeah, the green bottle, right? Okay, but it comes in ginormous size, it's not the little one, right? It's the big one.

SPEAKER_02 2:30

Not for room service, right?

SPEAKER_01 2:32

So we ordered one of those and we ordered some treats. So that's all we had to drink. I didn't have any uh normal water, so I was like, you know what, I'll just I'll just hit some of the bubbly water, man. What man, the hotel tap not working? Yeah, no, I wanted to pass on that, dude. I passed on that to on the tap water, but it was good. It was fresh, it was cold, we had some ice, some limes in there. Never looked back. Ah, it just took that one time, man.

SPEAKER_02 2:58

Yeah, man. It's it's refreshing.

SPEAKER_01 3:00

So I had all these bubbly waters. Today was no difference, like Shannon was saying. And I I don't know, maybe the uh the universe. I always tell people I think the universe is the good sense of humor.

SPEAKER_02 3:13

Oh, very good sense of humor.

SPEAKER_01 3:14

And and when we came in, just like Shannon said, she's like, Oh man, a rough weakness. And I was like sorry to hear that, bro. And just like normal, man, just popped the top, man. And I bro, somebody must have shook that thing for like 20 minutes.

SPEAKER_02 3:29

Oh, yeah, that's true. That's true. Never mind.

SPEAKER_01 3:30

Yeah, Shem doesn't have a drive, but I drove, I just went down the street, so it was like two minutes. Anyway, we're good. Um, no sense in getting all riled up about it. Uh I'm a little wet, but it's uh uh it's hot today here in northern Nevada, so I'll uh we'll be dry pretty quick, man. Well, with all that being said, um uh we had a very good podcast uh last episode, I thought. Um for those listeners out there, you'll uh you'll hear that here or you should have already heard it if you haven't. Go back and listen to it. Uh it was a two-part episode of uh when I went back to the big island. Needed a little bit of a reset, uh, but found a lot more uh that I needed to unload and let go of while we were there. So highly recommend listening to that too. I think it's a great episode. Um Shann asked me when I came in today, he's like, well, you know, how's the week after that episode, right? That we recorded. Um, because there was some raw, very raw emotion there from me for sure. And um it just set my standard back, man. It just set my standard back. I I felt a lot more at ease going back to the office. I felt a lot more at ease just being being in my own skin, man. I don't it's it's hard to it's hard to put it in context sometimes, man.

SPEAKER_02 4:56

Yeah, you did pretty well. It did when you said it set your standard back. I was I was gonna ask, like, what's your standard? And you answered it immediately. Man, being more at ease, being more comfortable in your own skin, centered in who you are.

SPEAKER_01 5:11

Yeah, yeah. It's just you know, I I I don't know. I some things I just don't, you know, we're I don't think we have answers to everything. Obviously, there's it's a complicated thing that we live in this in this world and time. But I think for me personally, you know, I think I just allowed some things to come in uh and set with me, and maybe I didn't do a good enough job of unloading those. Uh but Shannon and I had a very interesting uh just a quick chat after uh last episode we were packing up. I I asked Shannon, I said, Is it possible because of what we do, what Shannon does for sure in his uh profession in this mental health world and for me being this practitioner of self-help for the last 11 years. I asked Shannon, I said, Is it possible, man, that we can take on that much more weight and not even feel the indicators? Have you thought about that at all?

SPEAKER_02 6:12

I haven't given it a tremendous amount of thought. I I think which is exactly what plays into it, you know, because when you said you allowed so much more in, I I kind of thought, you know, it probably wasn't even intentional or with much awareness, because as we develop more capacity, as we become better at dealing with things, and um yeah, it it increases the amount we can work with. And with that increased capacity, oh, we often don't notice when it it's g a greater volume that we are incurring.

SPEAKER_01 6:53

Yeah, it's it's something I've really been thinking a lot about because you know I've had a lot of people, uh especially my office staff and even my family, you know, when they see the video and they watch it, um, you know, they all say, Man, you you went from like you went from airplane to like enlightened state in two seconds, it's on your face, we see it, right? And I think the big the big one was is when the shoot was done opened and you can see me, the man just take that that big, huge just oh it's like it's like my body went limp.

SPEAKER_02 7:31

I mean you see it on the film, yeah, you know just utter relaxation.

SPEAKER_01 7:35

Yeah. And so I've been thinking a lot about myself on you know, if if I had that much weight with me and I didn't hear or see the indicators, that's why I think I asked you that question last week is you know, as practitioners of what we do and the things that we're trying to accomplish in our own personal lives, it's like maybe the weight wasn't at the warning stage yet. Yeah. I didn't have the bells and the whistles going off yet, or the or the warning light. Maybe I was close, I don't know. But what I do know is what happened afterward. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 8:14

Yeah, and you might have been closer than you were aware. Maybe you know, it's easier for others to see us than ourselves, of course. And you were uh getting a little more tense, a little, you know, just you you can tell that the pressure had been an accumulation of quite some time, but you know, even when developing much greater capacity for dealing with things, there is still we that limit in which we begin to near, you know, uh oh, you know, uh starting to overflow a little bit. And yeah, it but man, then the release of that can also, you know, be that much more substantial.

SPEAKER_01 9:02

Yeah, it was it was definitely pretty interesting. And so the week after that uh episode we uh that we recorded, it just felt I just like I said, I I felt like I was you know back to where I was, you know, just at peace. Um kind of keeping a hold of my island time in my head too, where you know I had a lot of meetings last week. I was packed with meetings um and had a very in-depth conversation with uh with my owner. Um and it was a very good conversation. And um, you know, it kind of I don't know, uh things things go hand in hand sometimes, you know, and I think that I needed the release in order to be completely present to hear that conversation that we had.

SPEAKER_02 9:51

Man, that was well timed. Right. Yeah, yeah. If that conversation had occurred before that trip, before that great release, man, I I don't think you would have been nearly able to deal with that as well as you did. Not present enough, but just it would have just added to you know the overflow.

SPEAKER_01 10:11

Yeah, and it uh so out of that um conversation, um he he wanted me to attend a uh a function. So uh at first I did not want to attend this function because it was outside, it was in the evening, it was at one of our local uh resorts here, and it was kind of a mixer thing. Uh, you know, me, I'm I'm a very when I get out of the office, I I I want seclusion. Right? Just go back to the house and just be with my my my family, my dogs, my my property. You're you're not a mixer type of guy. Really not the mixer type of guy. But he asked me if I would, you know, consider going and uh highly recommended that uh I you know give it a good thought.

SPEAKER_02 10:58

He told you to.

SPEAKER_01 11:00

But no, he I uh he was sincere. He says, Mike, if you want to go, go, man. Right. So thought about it for about a whole day, and then I said, you know what, I'll I'll do the right thing, man. I'll go. It's important. We were trying to meet some new prospective clients, and uh, I had a couple of other my staff members with me. So I felt confident that you know I think be a good option. So I went and um went well, met a lot of uh people I didn't know, and um made some pretty good connections, I think, especially on the networking side for sure. But with that being said, is like Shannon was just saying, is when I'm uh much more centered in in my personal space and I'm uh very present in the moment, those things don't seem as impactful as they used to.

SPEAKER_02 11:51

Wow, that's a good point. Because when we aren't as present, when we're a little more off-center, just because of the weight of things, just because we've been dealing with so much for so long and we haven't had that opportunity to offload and care for ourselves, and then everything feels heavier and it throws us off balance much more quickly, and we get more in our head and don't cope as well, and you know, it it shows.

SPEAKER_01 12:23

Yeah, it definitely does. But it was a good evening and I thought it went well. Um made some made some good connections, like I said, and so the the week was um the week was very I'm gonna choose my words carefully. I don't like putting things out, but it was just very calm for me that week. Even in the office, just very present. I was very present with my staff. Um you know, and I just told a couple of my staff members, you know, I'm like, hey, it doesn't matter. I I know it seems like crazy and I know it seems important, but trust me on this, man, it's it's okay. It's not important. Not so not not we don't need to get worked up about it. We'll we'll figure out a solution, we'll move on.

SPEAKER_02 13:11

And amazingly, it wasn't so much that this past week was any different than any other week for you. Thank you for kind of owning that. You were more calm, you were more present, much more able to deal with these themes. But otherwise, you know, uh everyone else similarly just like ah and you're like, dude, all good. We we got this.

SPEAKER_01 13:30

Yeah, and it you know, and I think that goes for any leader out there in the world of any uh, you know, if you're a junior leader or senior leader, if you're a manager or supervisor, it doesn't matter the title, if you're in a a role where you have people around you or under you or you're managing a program of any kind, you know, like I've said in the past, you know, as the leader, you definitely set the temperature. And if your temperature is a little on the higher side, you know, your staff will play on that, you know, because especially if they're already a little bit emotionally charged for whatever reason, and you know, and they're just you know, they're trying to get it out and trying to get something figured out. And if if my temperature is already matching theirs and it's up, then next thing you know, you know, probably not having the most productive conversation.

SPEAKER_02 14:20

Yeah, yeah. You recognize in that position, anyone in that position, you're modeling and everything, you know, being energy, you know, it it just it creates more of the same. And and when you are in that position of greater influence, you you're gonna just have more of that ability. You're you're pulling things in one direction or the other. Often, you know, without even being aware of it, but just your your mood, your tone, your behaviors, even just you know, little stuff, how you're moving and and stuff. Subconsciously, all that's getting picked up on and in a way kind of being spread for good and for bad. And not that it is so binary, of course, but just in any direction.

SPEAKER_01 15:05

Yeah, it's you know, it's it's not easy, you know. We spend a large majority of our time, and it it whatever profession or career or job that you we do, we spend a lot of time there. Forty hours minimum for most. I know some people are part-time, some people, you know, my field guys work 50 plus hours, right? So a huge portion of your time and your life and your energy goes to where uh whatever we're doing. And generally it involves other people. Yep. At some level, right? So maybe it's just a good reminder not only to myself, but to anybody out there, man. If you are in those positions, just take that deep breath, man, a couple times, you know. And uh I I have to remind myself moving forward of the same thing, you know. So I because I don't want to go backwards, you know that's not my style.

SPEAKER_02 15:57

And you haven't previously, and yet it uh kind of happened, and uh of of course, how could it not? That's okay, and just again having the awareness of that, like, oh yeah, things naturally build up. We're human, we can't prevent that, but when we can recognize that and then take care of that, like you did, then we like, huh, oh yeah, that's right. And then it it will be of great benefit to beyond just yourself.

SPEAKER_01 16:30

Absolutely, and I and I do want to just tell everybody listening is I know it's tough sometimes. I I'm a one-week a year guy, you know, even at my for vacation, right? And even at my senior level of where I'm at in my company, you know, I know better. I know that I need some more time off that's dedicated to actually being off. I'm not talking about a half of a Friday or a Friday here or uh, you know, um a Monday here. I mean three, four, five consecutive days of just recharging, you know what I mean? And I I have to do a better job at that, even myself, because I don't. I'm I'm dedicated and I'm uh I'm just doing my thing and uh October's my time frame. Generally, you know that. But I think from here on out, man, I'm gonna I'm I'm definitely gonna take something around that springtime. Kind of kind of spread it so it's like a you know, full four months here, take a week off, four months, take another week, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 17:33

Yeah, good man. Beyond just hunting season to like ah spring and fall, you recognized how much you needed it this year, you actually took it this year, and what a difference.

SPEAKER_01 17:45

Yeah, and it's funny because you know, I where I work, our company, we want people to take time off. We we tell people take your time. Your boss keeps trying to get you to take time off. Correct, he does too much to work with, he does, and like I said, and that that's that lesson, you know, and that's that hard thing about being in a leadership role. It's like, you know, you just want to do your part, you're trying to be there and you're trying to do the right thing, but at the same token, I'm no good to anybody else if I'm not good to myself.

SPEAKER_02 18:15

There it is.

SPEAKER_01 18:16

Right?

SPEAKER_02 18:17

We know this. So And while we know this, the things we know, and then actually the things we do.

SPEAKER_01 18:27

I think that goes back to all of our childhoods. Right. Good grief, man. Hey, don't put your hand on there, it's hot. Put your hand on there, it's hot, you figure it out.

SPEAKER_02 18:35

Yeah, you gotta learn experientially, man. It's crazy. I know I should be exercising more.

SPEAKER_01 18:44

Things sneak up on us, and I and I think Shannon just had some, you know, a little bit of a light there. It's you know, whether it's your physical activity or spiritual activity, or just your health in general. You know, and like I was saying on the uh the first episode of our uh podcast there, it's you got a thousand problems, man, until you get sick, and you got one. And that one problem uh is getting better and it's healing, and you the 9,998 other problems, they went away because you can't focus on anything else. You just want to get better, you want to feel better, you know. Yeah, I think there's so much wisdom in that uh in that uh in that quote or wherever that philosophy came from. I think it's you know it's very valid. I went through it, I went through it on the island. You know, it's all perspective, man. Yeah, a lot of perspective in there too, and you know, and I after, you know, I got so many dedicated and so many great staff members, man. But I have to tell them, please don't comment sick. Just take take take the day off, man, and don't infect everyone else and just go go home and feel better. Because I know when I'm not feeling a hundred percent, it you can't focus. You're not you're not as focused as you probably normally are, you know.

SPEAKER_02 20:00

Oh, that's alright, man. No one will no one will notice. I'll just keep my head down. I you know, if if I can hide it and just yeah, no, let me let me just muscle through the day.

SPEAKER_01 20:12

Hack and cough and sneezing. No, no, no. Nobody's gonna know. You know, they're trying to. So just like I said, just that if you're out there listening, man, take take care of you guys. Take care of yourselves. We can take care of ourselves as well, man. Other than that, Shannon, the week was uh was very good, man.

SPEAKER_02 20:33

Calm. You you were president, just one thing at a time. Oh I just covered my really nice laptop and bubbly water. Okay, we're good. We're good.

SPEAKER_01 20:45

It's been it's I've had a lot of those little things going on, which um I again I uh Shannon and I believe I don't know about believe, but Shannon I talk a lot about these tests that come up, they're little tests here and there, right? I had one on um so in in my world where I live at, we have uh water, we get water rights on the property and it irrigates my trees and our yard. It's it's it's one of the coolest things I've ever been a part of. We've been waiting for our first um water, and it finally came on Tuesday. So just like always, I get the I get the group message from the people that are in my group. Okay, so I planned my day accordingly to make sure that I got all my work done at the office, and then I had to cut out a little bit early so I could get to the house, take care of some things. Well, the time came, the time went.

SPEAKER_02 21:40

Oh, no water.

SPEAKER_01 21:41

Time came, the time went.

SPEAKER_02 21:43

Well, you were all ready too. Ready to go. You left work early.

SPEAKER_01 21:46

Yeah, I had I left the office early just to make sure. Uh where's the water? Where's it at? So I text the individual and I get a response, oh, there's this thing going on. I'm like, hmm, okay. Well, being I should communicate that just because it was it's in the middle of a day on a on a Tuesday, you know what I mean, where people are at work. A lot of the guys are still working. So long story short, that went on for let's see, so when we were supposed to get so counted on my fingers for the audience that's listening, you can't hear my fingers moving. That went on for six hours. So my so my windows are. That's getting dark at that point, yeah. It's getting dark. So six hours later, I still haven't got my my go yet. I'm the I'm the number two guy in line, right? So I said, in the meantime, I just went out to the yard. I was doing, I got tons of yard work and trees and gardening and weeds, galore. So I I kept myself busy. Yeah. Got some vitamin D on the skin, trying to not be so pasty these days. And uh by dinner time, went in and had dinner, and I was like, well, I don't want to shower because I still gotta go do all the irrigating, right? So I went to my home office. Now it's dark. I mean, it is dark. I get a I get a quick message. Hey, uh 8 45, go ahead. I'm like, okay, seven and a half hours later. So I was like, okay.

SPEAKER_02 23:13

So at least they messaged you.

SPEAKER_01 23:15

At least he messaged me finally, right? So now I'm uh just doing my thing in my home office and I'm like, what's that? I saw like a flash. So I have a monitor in my office, got a bunch of cameras because I've got cameras all over the property. Shocker. And I see a flash of light in one of the cameras. Caught me off on the corner of the eye. So I was like, oh that's oh, and I was like, oh shit. Like you could just see a wall of darkness, like a storm. Ah, the thunder. The storm. Right, yeah. Yeah. So I got out of my uh desk, I went out to the front of the house, and I looked in the direction, man, and it there was no question. Yeah. The house was partly cloudy. Directly east was a black wall. You could see the rain, lightning, uh, bolts of lightning, sheet lightning. I was like, oh man, that's crazy. So I go back in the office. About 15 minutes later, I uh I was like, Oh, that looks really close. So I get up and uh I went up to my second story floor because I have a balcony on my uh bedroom so I could look outside. And as I'm climbing the stairs, I have a metal roof. We have metal roofs, and you just hear this tink, tink, tink, tink, and I was like, Oh, that's really loud. So it sounds like a hammer hitting the roof, right? So I was like, What the hell is that? So I go out there and it's hailing balls, like good one inch, a half inch. I mean, they're huge, right? So I go back downstairs and then it's just letting loose. I mean, it is just letting loose, Shannon. Now the storm is over the house, directly over the house. No light, complete blackness, thunder, bolt, lightning. It's hailing, winds are blowing, then the downpour starting. I'm looking at the clock and I'm thinking, oh good timing, right? More water. I was like, man, I hope I hope I can just I hope I can pause enough to maybe get through the window because the storm was moving, obviously. Yeah. Then it one big flash of lightning came out, and when it when it lit up the whole backyard, I could see the top of my canal. It was it was already cresting over. Oh. And I was like, oh shit. The problem I have is that my canal runs at we have a dirt canal, it goes right through the property, and I have trees galore. They're everywhere. If y'all don't know, lightning likes trees, so just throw that out there. I was like, well, a little bit dangerous to start trying to irrigate with this amount of lightning. But if I don't solve the solution, uh, it will start cresting all of my banks and it'll flood out me and the neighbor. So I run upstairs, I grab an old military uh poncho I had, threw that on, man, threw some boots on, I got shorts on. It looked like a fool for sure. And my wife's like, Where are you going? I'm like, uh, the canal's crossing, I gotta get the gates open. And right out to the storm, man. Lightning's going like crazy, dude. I'm out there with a metal gate, of course, you know, trying to get my canal door open and to get that water to recede. But sometimes we don't get to pick the storm. The storm picks us, dude.

SPEAKER_02 26:27

You brave the lightning. Right?

SPEAKER_01 26:30

So just uh just a again, just a reminder, man, that you know, I I didn't get all freaked out. It's I was like, okay, well, it is what it is, man. You know, it's crazy to 20 minutes later. Oh, it's you would act like nothing ever happened, you know. But my window had already closed for the water for the day, so I already put pass it on. So I'll have to get it next go around.

SPEAKER_02 26:51

You got a little, I hope. Oh, we got tons. Okay, enough.

SPEAKER_01 26:54

But the rain, the hail, uh, and then the water that was cresting over the uh on the back end of the canal, which I couldn't see from the house. Yeah, we still got plenty of water there. Yeah. How often do you get it? Just depends on the group. Okay, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, we've got a lot of ranchers and farmers that do hay and alfalfa and things like that.

SPEAKER_02 27:11

So you're all sharing.

SPEAKER_01 27:13

Yeah, we share the we share the canal. Well, we have our own canals, but we share this, you know, the same one in uh so some people have four hours, mine takes about 40, 45 minutes at best. We got we got one guy that takes about eight hours, so it just depends on how big your property is. Cool.

SPEAKER_02 27:30

That's fun, man.

SPEAKER_01 27:31

It's good, it's good. I I'm I learned a lot. I bet. Especially being a city guy, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 27:37

Yeah, no longer, man.

SPEAKER_01 27:39

No, I got I got property and trees and uh fruit and a little agriculture. So chickens. Got a lot of chickens, yeah. Um it's been a good it's been a real good learning lesson for us just as a family, because you know, I think being responsible for the earth and being responsible for uh what has been provided to you to me is very important. And I sure is I learned that especially being in Hawaii on the big island because they try to provide everything they can for the island so they don't have to ship a lot of things, so it's so expensive. So just getting that philosophy of you know, take care of your property, take care of your resources, take care of what you have, and uh, you know, and it'll provide for you.

SPEAKER_02 28:24

And just caring for things.

SPEAKER_01 28:26

It does, man. So like I said, sometimes the storm will pick us in uh in those moments. If you if you can stay grounded, you can stay present, it doesn't seem as bad.

SPEAKER_02 28:38

Yeah, as long as the lightning doesn't pick you. Yeah, bro. Stay grounded, right?

SPEAKER_01 28:44

Yeah, yeah. We had a um I was putting up a a a metal uh fence with T-posts along the canal to keep the dogs out because they love the water, but causes too many issues for the wife. Plus, we have the grandkids, so I wanted to make sure that it's safe. So I put a metal t-post pen uh fence all the way along the canal bank. Uh I was at the end of the run uh run. My wife actually came out. I was rolling out the rest of the uh square wire fence, and um it was kind of a semi-cloudy day. Uh no thunder, no lightning yet, but it was just dark, a little bit warm, and my wife was standing on the banana on the canal, I was in the canal, standing on top of the fence, and I hear this like a humming noise, and at first I didn't catch it, and I was like, what? As soon as I was like, what? You hear this! And my wife threw she had a pair of my pliers, she threw the pliers because it scared her so bad. The electrical charge that was being created from the coming storm must have been so low that it charged the T-post that I just put in the ground and it actually connected. Wow. And it the the the little bolt of lightning, if you will, hit the first T-post and it went down three other posts. So super scary incident. Freaked my wife out. Wow. Freaked me out too, man. And I had it on camera too. I caught up my ring camera, so I nobody can tell me I was BSing it, but it was real, dude. So I don't know, I'm trying to mess with lightning, bro.

SPEAKER_02 30:18

That's not your first incident with electricity out there.

SPEAKER_01 30:21

No, I've had some issues, dude. So uh well, it's been it's been a good uh catch up from our last podcast. It's been a good time. Um for our listeners out there. Um just remember 988's out there. Um if you need some help, give it a call. Um if you can, find some new local area, book an hour appointment, get some help, talk to somebody, whoever. Uh hope everybody has a great week. It's been a good time catching up, but unfortunately, this this episode's over. And fortunately. Unfortunately. So we can move on to the next one, uh, which we always look forward to. But hope everybody has a good week.

unknown 30:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:59

All right.

SPEAKER_01 31:00

As for me, this is Mike Seahorn. Shannon Morrow. And we will catch you on our next podcast of Unloaded.