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Managing Menopause with Dr. Sonia Davison Part 2
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This episode is all about evidence-based conversations around perimenopause and menopause management, without the overwhelm.
We’re joined by endocrinologist Dr Sonia Davison, who helps unpack what’s actually happening with your hormones and why you might be feeling the way you do.
We walk you through what to expect at each stage, from the early hormonal shifts of perimenopause through to postmenopause—covering symptoms like sleep changes, mood swings, hot flushes, pelvic health, and more.
This episode breaks things down simply, with a clear recap and practical tips you can actually use—whether that’s exercise strategies, lifestyle tweaks, or knowing when to seek extra support.
Plus, you’ll get links to trusted, free resources and educational tools so you can go deeper, feel more in control, and stop second-guessing what’s happening in your body.
Jean Hailes for Women's Health https://www.jeanhailes.org.au/
Australasian Menopause Society https://www.menopause.org.au/
Mayo Clinic https://www.mayoclinic.org/
Better Health Channel https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/
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Welcome to Healthy Banta, the podcast where women's health gets real relatable and just a little bit cheeky. We'd like to begin this podcast by acknowledging the traditional owners on the land on which we meet today. We would also like to pay respects for elders past and present. Well, welcome back another week. Hey Meg, how are you? Good, how are you? Really good, thank you. Um we're gonna get into this is part two with Dr. Sonia Davison today. So we are chatting lots more hormones. Correct.
SPEAKER_03And we're going to be talking about perimenopause and menopause. Um we'll do a bit of yeah, what to expect, some a little bit of a recap and some tips and management strategies for you know getting through this time.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I can't wait for this one. This was um this was super helpful as well for anyone in this stage. So let's get into it. Perfect.
SPEAKER_03Um and is it correct? So menopause technically is when we have not had a period for one year. Is that is that correct?
SPEAKER_01Because um, because it's a bit kick start or you know, uh chaotic at the end. So a woman might have a period three months, then one might happen after six months. This is late in peri-menopause, and then one might happen at nine months, you can only really say that a woman has reached her last period and is postmenopausal because it's the last period when it's 12 months of having no period. And the other thing to know is that even though uh most women are having symptoms at menopause, we've lost the fluctuating symptoms uh of perimenopause. So it is somewhat of a relief because they're not getting those intense breast tendiness, bloating, etc., from high levels of estrogen that you can have in perimenopause. We're just really dealing them with the low levels of estrogen. So it's a little bit of an easier scenario and it's much easier to treat. For example, in perimenopause, you can turn off hormones, but the main way of doing that is with one of the pills. Um, or you can have the ovaries removed, but I'm not suggesting that should be done. It's very drastic. But the pills can easily do that if it's appropriate for that woman. But that's the only thing that can turn off the perimenopausal uh hormonal fluctuations. Hormone therapy won't do that.
SPEAKER_03Okay. So hang on, is that is therefore so you can have hormone therapy or hormone replacement therapy, particularly targeting those women who have say an early onset menopause. Um, but then for women going through fluctuations, is that the difference then between um they call it menopause therapy versus hormone therapy, or is it sort of the same thing but just a different way of approaching it?
SPEAKER_01It's all got very complicated. Um everyone knows the term HRT, hormone replacement therapy. Someone got very upset about the thought, well, we're not really replacing hormones. So it became MHT or HTT, menopausal hormone therapy. But if you are have an early menopause or even perimenopause, you can have hormone therapy, but the doses are lesser than in the pill. So the pill replicates a pregnancy and will switch off the production of estrogen progesterone. So the hormones in the pill will take over from our own hormones, and that's a good option for perimenopause. It just rests the ovaries and we will just have a very steady level, if it's a steady pill, of those particular hormones in that pill. Whereas hormone therapy is just replacing lesser amounts of estrogen, and the women will need progesterone if they still have a womb inside your so a uterus if they haven't had a hysterectomy. But at menopause, it's just a m a matter of getting that hormone therapy right. Perimenopause, it's a bit tricky because if you add hormone therapy and their own hormones are still fluctuating, it can be like a dog's breakfast.
SPEAKER_03Right. And the best place for a woman to seek help around this would be GP is the first step. Would that be correct if they're having huge fluctuations in their perimenopausal symptoms or or it's starting to you know impact on their function a little bit?
SPEAKER_01This is about doing the things in life you want to do, feeling normal, not struggling, especially with heavy bleeding, bothersome symptoms, PMS, whatever it is that that woman's experiencing. So, yes, we'd love them to get to a good women's health GP. It is very hard to book into GPs and to find one uh who might be uh well versed in women's health. Your own beautiful GP might not know women's health that well. So it's important to see if there's someone at the practice who specializes women's health. It may be a nurse practitioner, some naturopaths are specialists in women's health as well. It just depends on the right person for you, but also getting some really good information first and looking at the Australasian Menopause Society, looking at Gene Hales for Women's Health. We've got heaps of information, webinars, podcasts, information sheets, um, and just making sure you're well versed in that information because there's a lot of other stuff on TikTok, social media, just abandoning the stuff where people are selling a product or trying to uh help you when they don't have the expertise and they don't know the safe uh scientific knowledge. So um there is a beautiful web page at the Australasian Menopause Society, find a doctor, and they are generally beautiful GPs who know about women's health and will be able to help you possibly with any women's health concern, but definitely with perimenopause and menopause. They're by location, so that's perfect.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, we'll link to those in that.
SPEAKER_01And that's Australia-wide. That's Australia-wide. And New Zealand.
SPEAKER_03Oh, great.
SPEAKER_00Perfect. So, with this, what about can you test for perimenopause? Can like can you test your hormone levels?
SPEAKER_01So, women want to be tested, they want to know that their hormone is here, there, or whatever, wherever. But as you can see from what my finger was doing and what my explanation was doing, the hormones will be everywhere and anywhere. And a hormone level does not help. Um, it's a typical story in someone who's 40 to 60 years of age, which will help us tell if their symptoms and their age and their other, you know, health factors in life that will tell us if they're perimenopause or menopause. We only really would measure hormones if someone is less than 40 years of age or maybe 45 in some circumstances and has a story that we think it's premature or early menopause. But women really want to see their hormones, but it is a waste of money and it's a waste of their blood. I'd much rather look at their iron studies to see if they're iron deficient from heavy bleeding, or look at their thyroid to make sure that's all right, or check their vitamin D, or check their cholesterol level, because we know that 32% of women will eventually die. I'm not being dramatic here, of um stroke or heart attack. And we know at midlife that we can intervene there with treating cholesterol, treating blood pressure, treating diabetes or avoiding those things. So they're the things I'd much rather be focusing on with a blood test. Okay, great.
SPEAKER_03So in a way, probably as you approach menopause or hit menopause, it's not such a bad time to find your GP, find someone who's menopause sympathetic. But also at that time, would it be worthwhile saying get a really good overall health check so you have your base measures of okay, this is where I've this is where I'm sitting in my around say early 50s, um, so that you know then as you progress through your coming years what what your base was and and whether you're improving or decreasing or what you need to work on a little bit more.
SPEAKER_01Um, it's a brilliant suggestion. If they can get a long consult with a GP, there are a lot of complex things to talk about. Symptoms, managing those, pros and cons of whatever strategy to manage those. Um screening, doing the blood tests, making sure mammogram, if appropriate, for their age group, cervical screening every five years, making sure they've done their poopy test. Some women will be valid or are available to do the lung cancer screening program, which has now come about for smokers. So talking to the GP, making sure those things are done. Maybe a nurse practitioner. I know in some areas you may be able to contact a GP through telehealth. That's the other thing if you are rural and remote. And then a really clever women's health doctor will be looking at the current person, but also looking at them as they age, talking about bone health, talking about heart health, talking about the things that make us unhealthy or might kill us as we get older. So I call it a sliding doors moment in midlife, and we can go one of either ways. Um we've spent the rest of our life getting to that point, and we might have muddled through it, but from that age, it's really good to be focused and try and maximize because you might be living from 50. Well, the average age for a Victorian woman is 85 years, so you've got 35 more years. And do you know what? As we get older, we really realise how valuable health is. Oh, yeah. We don't really see it as a gift until then. Um well, I haven't anyway. You know, you're just you're there in the moment, but then when you realise, oh, I don't feel so well, health is everything. And then when you see your elderly parents um crumbling a bit, you also think, oh God, I want I don't want to do that. I want to be well and healthy.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely. I think it's again those life stages, isn't it? You sort of um until you transition yeah into those life stages, you don't you you know you're not really looking at other other areas too much if it's not that relevant.
SPEAKER_01And it's appropriate to be busy, you've got you've got to do what's in front of you, but just have a little ear open to what's corner.
SPEAKER_00Yes. Can we um just briefly go back to just I know you mentioned um getting testing for thyroid and um iron in there as well, but can can other hormone um issues, like for example, with thyroid, can that mask someone getting a diagnosis for perimenopause?
SPEAKER_01Um definitely if you're overactive or underactive for thyroid, um, that can definitely mask that. And you can have also other things like heavy bleeding or weight gain or constipation. So depending on whether your thyroid is because the thyroid is responsible for the energy of the body. It wants to be it in a very tight speed range. Um, the thyroid is really fascinating uh as an entity on its own, but if you're above that speed range or below it, the cells in the body do not work properly and they don't work in combination, so you'll start to get symptoms, and yes, definitely. Uh, and women typically get thyroid disorders from about 40 to 60 years of age. There is um spread beyond those years, but that's and again you can see that that's too bit long.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it lines up perfectly.
SPEAKER_03Well, you think it's perimenopause, but actually maybe you need to be having your thyroid check as well. It could go either way, couldn't it?
SPEAKER_01And iron deficiency is a huge one. I'm doing lots of iron tests. Women who just think it's normal periods, but they're actually bleeding really heavily for four or five days, and they're flooding and they're missing days of work, and they've done that through from 13 to 45. They're likely to be iron deficient, especially if for an ethical choice or whatever, they're not eating red meat. So you can see it's very easy to bleed out, sort of literally, and be struggling with tiredness, just feeling crappy, um, low mood, crankiness. It's very hard to function if there is iron deficiency and you've got to do all the things that this busy life demands of us.
SPEAKER_03And with that too, I think we're coming where, well, living in Australia, we're so much more um cognizant of sun protection and skin factors. I to the point, I almost think that we're is it correct that we've got a little bit of a vitamin D deficiency broadly for women? And so therefore, should at that time I know it's not mandatory or it's not a set screening for bone density, but almost should it be, or at least get vitamin D levels checked at some point? Is that important?
SPEAKER_01The government don't want us to test too many vitamin D levels because it's expensive.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_01But we are slip slop slapping, which is really good. We don't want to have wrinkles, Botox, and skin cancer, so that's brilliant. But um a lot of Australia is actually, despite being a sunny nation, vitamin D deficient, especially in the southern states. So definitely um get a vitamin D check if your GP uh is happy to do that. And I think the government is well worth paying for that through our taxes because if you are vitamin D deficient, it can definitely have impacts on mood, on bones, and there's even some really interesting connections. For example, people with lower um or women with lower vitamin D levels have higher incidence of fibroids. So believe it or not. Wow, yeah, right. So and the other thing is bone density testing. Um, again, the government only have a Medicare rebate. So that's an x-ray that measures the density of bones in the lower spine and typically the hip. Sometimes they do the wrist as well, and that will actually tell us whether we have thinning of the bones, osteopenia is mild thinning, or osteoporosis, which is more significant thinning, which can result in a fracture with minor trauma. So that's scary when the bones are that thin. But again, the government doesn't have the Medicare rebate unless there is another condition or another set of criteria. But a woman can have a bone density, and I don't recommend doing it at younger ages, but definitely when they present at perimenopause or menopause, if they have the funds, it's probably about $100, $150 out of pocket if you don't fit the Medicare criteria. It's really good to have a baseline because some of those women will be very surprised to see that they are osteopenic, which is mild thinning already. So the messages about good bone health are very important from midlife and menopause.
SPEAKER_03And that's from that point of view that as we lose estrogen, estrogen has an important impact on our bone health, doesn't it? So as we're reducing estrogen, our bone density can potentially go south with that as well, is it right?
SPEAKER_01It it's a bit sad because we we get to peak bone mass about 30. All right, you you two will not like this uh discussion because our bones are growing and you know we've got to peak bone mass. Um but then the cells that chomp away at bones are a bit more active rather than the growing ones, and we do start to lose bone density from around 30 years, but it's very, very minor, but that can ramp up to about 3% per year in the years just prior to menopause. So um you don't want to lose 3% per year, and we're losing 0.6% muscle mass per year from midlife as well. So it's a perfect storm when you think of the frail elderly woman on the street walking with a walker, hunched over back, or having fractures or osteoporosis. Um, we need to use it or lose it. We need to remain uh active, do the weight-bearing exercise. I know it's very hard. We're doing jobs where we sit down at computers, we're not putting the washing on the line anymore, we're not hauling logs, we're not um farming for our own produce where our bodies are not being as used as much. But we can find ways to use them and we can find ways to sort of counteract those natural processes that are designed at midlife.
SPEAKER_03And beautifully, walking is one of the best things we can do for that, isn't it? In terms of we get a lot of pounding, because it's the pounding or that foot hitting the ground and then those ground reaction forces coming back up through the bone that help us maintain our bone function. And and sometimes, in some cases, you if you do enough, you can actually improve your bone density. Is that correct?
SPEAKER_01You can, but you want to be a brisk, poundy walk. You don't want to be a dawdle, you don't want to be stopping with the dog at every tree. Um, you do have to do some purposeful, really brisk walking. Stomp, stomp, stomp. You can stomp, you can skip, you can dance. You know those lovely bouncy dances like Greek dancing, Israeli dancing, they are brilliant. But um tap dancing, that's my tap dancing is my friend. Zumba, tap dancing is we've been doing some tap dancing with my daughter, it's amazing. Um, you just need you just need to think you're not a worm. Worms don't have bones. That's why they slither and slide through the soil. They don't need to support their weight. We have bones, we are designed to stand up what upright and use our body and do resistance training and uh at the very least brisk stompy walking. Um, and we want to do 21 and a half minutes per day if we can. Uh, it it doesn't have to be every day, but two and a half hours a week, uh and that's adds up to an average of 21 and a half minutes a day of something. Um, swimming and cycling, it's brilliant for your heart, bone uh not for your bones, but for your mood, for your um cardiovascular health, but they will not do anything for bones, unfortunately. So if women do like swimming and cycling, I do want them to do other activities as well.
SPEAKER_00So you need that variety, variety in the exercise program as well. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03And and and with that too, you want to be working on, and that's what Sonia was alluding to, your muscles. You've got to be building up your muscles because the resistance training also then puts some tension onto muscles and then that um sorry, onto bone, and then that helps with your bone as well.
SPEAKER_01It's like the machine. We are machines, we need to tune it, use it, service it, and then problem solve when there's a little problem when the wheel falls off.
SPEAKER_00This is right. Okay. While we're on the topic of you know, muscles and strength, can we um dive into testosterone use in women and why, like what what is the hype around this at the moment?
SPEAKER_01There's a lot of hype about hormone therapy in general. Um, menopause was taboo until about the last 10-15 years. No one wanted to know about menopause. It was embarrassing, they lost the fertility, they became invisible. Um, and so we weren't talking as much as we are now, but now celebrities are talking about menopause, they've got on the bandwagon. The pandemic made us realize how precious health was, and we're talking much more about health and our bodies, and quality of life became extremely important when we were all locked down, seeing the world collapse and crumble around us. So uh there's a lot of interest in hormone therapy, and the pendulum has swung right the other way. People are saying use hormone therapy for inappropriate reasons. So you just need to get that very good advice from a health practitioner who's who knows this area. But testosterone is another part of this, and women are banging down the doors wanting testosterone as well. There are messages out there that it's good for mood, libido, well-being, bones, muscles, and just women feel better on testosterone. That is what we think, but the studies show that testosterone actually is only useful for lowered libido that's causing distress when there's no other factor going on, like a bad relationship or medications, or the woman's sick with other things or whatever, or they've got a just a really bad partner. Or a busy life. A busy life, they're too busy. Um, so testosterone can in an individual help things like mood well-being, um, but it's probably more a placebo effect. There is a big placebo effect with any treatment we give, it's about a 30% uh effect that even if you're not actually getting the benefit from it, 30% of people feel better from just being on a study. It's a really interesting effect. But um the information out there on social media and forums, etc., saying every woman should have testosterone is not correct. And the main stay of treatment is for lowered libido causing distress with an appropriate testosterone level. That's when we would do a level to make sure it's actually not too high and they won't benefit from treatment. And we just need to very vigorously measure testosterone levels. If a woman's on testosterone treatment, there are risks associated with treatment as with any particular treatment. But a male level of testosterone is typically 12 to 30. A female level of testosterone at peak at 20 years of age is 2.5. You never want to treat a woman. And some of my patients have found testosterone on the internet for whatever strange place they're. It from have used a testosterone product that's designed for use in men and have come back with male levels of testosterone and have had side effects. So again, don't do anything with your hormones without having some very careful advice, knowing about the pros and cons of that treatment.
SPEAKER_03This is my curiosity coming through. What are the side effects? Like, as in, I'm picturing beards and I'm picturing hairy chests and I'm picturing hairy armpits and a deep voice.
SPEAKER_02Are these the side effects or is it something different?
SPEAKER_01You better come on the circuit with me as I go and educate people. Um it is it is actually about those male characteristics. So most women within female levels on testosterone, the main side effect is excess hair growth. But there is a treatment which is a cream that's rubbed onto the thigh daily, and they mostly get a hairy thigh. It's just a little bit of fuzz. But they may grow hair in other areas, like they may get facial hair, not a beard, just a ramping up of their normal facial hair growth. Some women will get some scalp hair thinning, and that's a barrier to some women, and some will get some oily skin and some acne. But remember, menopause can be associated with drier skin, so that might actually not be a bad thing. They are all reversible, but if a woman is on male levels of testosterone, not monitored, not on the right treatment, um, and she goes above that range, she may have deepening of the voice, that's irreversible, and enlargement of the clitoris, which sounds exciting. But um and that's what they do with gender reassignment treatment. They give them big doses of testosterone to actually make those um things they want to happen. So you've just got to be very, very careful about testosterone in women. But there is a lot of information out there saying everyone needs it, and that is not quite correct.
SPEAKER_00There is when you do yeah, when you pop it into Google, everyone, you know, it looks like social media and stuff. It looks like that's that's the case. Um also back on facial hair.
SPEAKER_03Why do women why do women, as we go through perimenopause, menopause, why is there more of a predisposition to get a little bit more hair on your face? What is that? That's not fair. We've got enough going on.
SPEAKER_01If if you think about when I said the peak level of estrogen when we're reproductive is about 1500 and that falls to 20, that's a much bigger fall than the testosterone level, which has halved. So it halves from 20 to 40 years and continues to dive down with changing with age, not with menopause. So there's relatively more testosterone, even though there's not very much around compared with the estrogen. And we think that that's why women do tend to get more facial hair and possibly also why they lose scalp hair. And again, genetics is very important here. Mediterranean women uh may have also had this in their 20s, 30s, or whatever. Um, so it's all about genetics uh and and race as well, as well as menopause.
SPEAKER_03Okay, so the the we don't want to hold you up too long, but I do want to ask the question. GLP1s mixed into the menopause moment, GLP ones I'm noticing in the clinic people are losing weight, but they're also losing muscle. After everything you've said today, that doesn't really sound ideal. What what are you finding in this space and and what's our best way to navigate through that?
SPEAKER_01So tricky. So menopause will be associated with a general slowing down of metabolic rate. We think that might be tied in with estrogen levels falling, we don't really know. And women tend to gain weight in the truncation, um, so around the tummy region, and we know that that's not very safe for cardiovascular health as we get older. Um, so women are really embracing the GLP1 agonist story because they don't want to be overweight, which is wonderful, they don't want the diabetes, and it's also about being comfortable in their own skin and and not, you know, wearing the things they want to wear and being self-confident, and those things I love. And I love the GLP 1 agonist, which is the Wagovies, the Munjaros, the Ozempics, the injectable preparations that are helping women and men lose weight now, whereas other strategies weren't working uh really well. Um, we just really need to be very careful, not abuse these medications. Again, be very well supervised, but do be very aware that as you are losing weight, some of that will be muscle. And we're almost encouraged at the moment, if we prescribe those medications, to also prescribe resistance training, training that will optimize muscle function, and just be very aware of that when we're prescribing these. Um we don't want to lose our muscle mass and accelerate that because we already knew when we talked before, 0.6% muscle mass per year. So just be very and don't get too thin because our body, and I have had some ladies come back looking very thin, and I've been concerned, our bones do want a particular amount of meat on them, muscle and fat. It's like a coat hanger. Coat hangers with just a flimsy bit of gauze, aren't really there's nothing hanging off it. And coat hangers with a big thing will just sag and droop and it will fall off. We just want to have the appropriate amount of uh stuff, bones, muscle, um, fat on our bodies so that our body can function normally. And that's essentially having a healthy BMI. Uh muscle, as you know, it's very hard to measure, but we do want to use it and not lose it too much.
SPEAKER_03Absolutely. Yeah. And and increasing um does therefore increasing protein in your diet, does it help like from your perspective, from a it doesn't have a negative impact on our hormones or anything, does it? But does support muscle?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we we don't want to go overboard. Um carbohydrates, the white things, things like bread, pasta, flour, potatoes, noodles, rice, they are the things that will tend to put weight on us, especially from midlife. Um and so reducing those will help with weight as well. But protein loading muscle is essentially made of protein. So we think that adding protein back or just trying to maximize that, but again, some women don't eat meat. Yeah, so it's finding very good sources of animal, uh non-animal protein, and that it's a very it's complex. You can see from our discussion today, it's complex to be a woman, to maintain our body, to make it work, to get through life's navigations, to get through our hormones and to plan for getting older helpfully. And I think healthy banter. That is what we're saying.
SPEAKER_00We're trying to we're trying to get some messages out there, and I think I think one of the biggest takeaways is um finding, you know, like that health professional, the GP, the one that is very good at women's health, um, and as a starting point. I think that's a great, a great message for all women to try and you know, hop on the Australasian menopause website and try and find a GP that is interested genuinely in in this area to help.
SPEAKER_01Um and just get the good information first. James House for Women's Health, Australasian Menopause Society, Better Health Channel is a good option and oversees the Mayo Clinic channel. Okay. A very good one as well. Just try and get the strong ones, your top five, and try and avoid all of the stuff that comes. If you do hear stuff from other sources, just check on the other sites. Is that something that should be done? I and how do we do this safely?
SPEAKER_00Yes, yeah, perfect.
SPEAKER_01Perfect.
SPEAKER_03Um, and in terms of a takeaway from, let's say, hormones in general, that would be from what you've sort of said today, is to maintain good lifestyle habits. Would that be correct? Yeah. And in terms of perimenopause and menopause, what would be your main takeout for listeners today? What would be other than other than seeing the GP and other than checking information, what's a practical thing that they can implement?
SPEAKER_01I just know that 80% of women will have some symptoms. It's about bother um and I want them to function and I want them to feel normal. That's what my aim is. And whatever strategy we use to feel normal, get help, um, but feel normal. I love that.
SPEAKER_00Feel normal. Yeah, yeah, really good. Really good. Thank you. I also I also loved your uh metaphors of the worm and the coat hanger. So thank you, Sonia. They're gonna stick, they're gonna be my little sticky notes, they're gonna stick with me. Love that. Perfect. Sonia's just doing the worms.
SPEAKER_01I save worms. If there's a worm out on the pavement, I'll put it in the soil again. Oh, you're so nice. That's so lovely. I don't have bones, but I still love them.
SPEAKER_03They play a role and they have a function and they're important, and we need to save them. That's a good idea. Oh, thank you so much.
SPEAKER_00Thank you so much for your time today. You have been incredible.
SPEAKER_01Everyone, have healthy banter and stay healthy. It's been my absolute delight.
SPEAKER_00Oh, thank you so much. We really appreciate your time.
SPEAKER_03And I think not just us, but everybody will have learnt so much today. So thank you very much with your expertise. Thank you.
SPEAKER_00Big pleasure. Okay. Take care. Thank you. Oh, well, that wraps up part two with Dr. Sonia Davison, all things hormones. Such a great chat, Megan. So good. I'm I feel very equipped moving into Perry with with her with her information behind us. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_03Well, I'm already there and I still learnt so much stuff that's just absolutely relevant, uh, applicable, appliable, um, and stuff that I want to share with some of my friends. Yeah, tell all the girls. Yeah, absolutely. Because, you know, even though you're in the thick of it, you you can't know everything. And and Sonia, I think, has given us such a great base that we can and such great resources that we can start with a good base now and add to our information that we already have. Absolutely, yeah.
SPEAKER_00She was she was really, really good, perfect guests for that space. I think it also just triggered a bit of a conversation after about um diet and exercise in specifically in this space for us. Um, and I think that is probably where we'll head with our next guests uh on this podcast. Oh, absolutely.
SPEAKER_03And I think too with the diet and exercise, it's relevant for us at this stage, but I think when you look at that whole scope of hormones, it's relevant across the continuum. So let's go exploring, Megan. Yeah, let's get some information.
SPEAKER_00Let's do that. Stay tuned, guys, they're gonna be great ones.
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